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Speaker 1: Attorney b League Shabaz, who will return to our classroom.

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Speaker 1: Attorney Shabbas will explain your rights if you stopped by

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Speaker 1: an Ice agent or local police. Attorney Schabas will also

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Speaker 1: discuss the impact on for black people if Trump goes

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Speaker 1: ahead and in this attempt to seize Greenland. Before the

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Speaker 1: attorney shabbazlett, doctor Chi k Akua will discuss the African

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Speaker 1: origin of religion and momentarily get us started. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: speak with Baltimore Humbless advocate past the Christina Flowers. But

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Speaker 1: first we got to get Kevin to reopen these classroom

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Speaker 1: doors on this Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, if Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, my man,

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Speaker 2: my man.

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Speaker 3: Today is the twentieth of January, and where does the

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Speaker 2: Seems like the year just began, but we're twenty days

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Speaker 3: Wait before we.

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Speaker 1: Go there, though, you know, let me throw something round here, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: You know, it seems like it's going so fast. There's

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Speaker 1: It's just so many things are happening one after the other.

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Speaker 1: That's why the time seems like go at the you know,

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Speaker 1: the world seems like well supposed to spinning faster. But

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Speaker 1: that's why the time seems like it's going on because

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Speaker 2: Sure it's made of all that. I got to ask you, though,

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Speaker 1: How you feel I'm still learning, man, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: keep up, Kevin, I'm still learning.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: See that reminds me of the late great Neelie Fuller,

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Speaker 3: On code for that, And that's right.

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Speaker 2: And if we are all on code, even though the

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Speaker 2: part of the code that you live by too. You see,

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Speaker 2: mind over matter. You know you can set your intention

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Speaker 2: Therefore you're perpetually learning. See what I did there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. You know, wherever nearly fuller is, man,

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Speaker 2: Left them present, right, I left my presence somewhere. He

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Speaker 2: But President Donald Trump issued a Martin Luther King Day

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Speaker 1: So we're in a new world, which one do you hear?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, hey, look in this proclamation.

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Speaker 2: He said, Doctor King's extraordinary resolve stands as an enduring

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Speaker 3: So she's just profiling, he continued.

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Speaker 3: She's ignorant that I choose not to pick her. That's

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Speaker 3: Well, look, look that's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: On the twentieth of the month and the twentieth of

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Speaker 2: the year, and thank you for your time. Go and

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Speaker 2: we've got your guests standing mind all.

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Speaker 1: Right, thanks Kevin. Fourteen and a half the Top Their

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Speaker 1: Families More Pleasanters with Minister Christina Flowers Grand Rising Sister

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Speaker 1: Christina Flowers, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, good morning to you.

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Speaker 6: Happy New Years as well.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's like sell me along, Happy New Years. I'm

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Speaker 7: Your platform just to have discussions about our homeless population

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Speaker 7: Like I'm excited about that because there's so many great

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Speaker 1: What I mean, jump in here for a second, Minister Flowers,

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Speaker 1: But hold up thought right there, Minister Flowers, we got

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Speaker 1: Wann't you to tell us the changes that takeing place

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Speaker 1: Minister Christina Flowers, and what she does is help the

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, first thing, Carl, I definitely just want

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Speaker 7: And I want to start that by putting some information

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Speaker 7: So that's going to be house built two two sixty six,

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Speaker 7: Because technically, when you call and people say, you know,

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Speaker 7: Because Car, right now, humanity is suffering greatly. And when

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Speaker 7: The lack of affordable housing that they can't afford to pas.

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Speaker 5: We have to help people.

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Speaker 7: You know, it doesn't matter if their background, what they did,

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Speaker 1: Well, after, mister Flowers, are you seeing an increase now

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Speaker 7: the political and that governmental entity where you know, we

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Speaker 7: don't work together really well when it comes to people

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Speaker 7: self developing ideas or if we don't share the same

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Speaker 7: idea that our local politicians do, then you know, we

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Speaker 7: don't get to see at the table. But you know,

439
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Speaker 7: we got to kind of break that generational curse here

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Speaker 7: in Baltimore City because a lot of great providers, a

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Speaker 7: lot of great individuals can provide housing, but at the

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Speaker 7: same time, we don't have an engageable city hall, Like

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Speaker 7: it's hard to engage our leaders at city Hall when

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Speaker 7: basically they feel like, you know, you in competition with them,

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Speaker 7: or you the problem because you speak truth to power.

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Speaker 7: And this is something that I do not compromised with

447
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Speaker 7: because when God allows us to seek and we saw

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Speaker 7: the things that our homeless population is going through, and

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Speaker 7: the barriers and the restrictions and the discrimination and how

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Speaker 7: some of them are defined to be on the streets

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Speaker 7: just because you know, these are the type of things

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Speaker 7: that as an organization, we have to build an infrastructure

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Speaker 7: around to protect this population because again it's not a

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Speaker 7: priority to our local political leaders here in Baltimore City.

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Speaker 7: And I speak that because you know lived experience. You know,

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Speaker 7: when you're sending emails or you're reaching out to them,

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Speaker 7: they have certain discussions of solutions and they continue, you know,

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Speaker 7: to put up the brick walls.

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Speaker 8: But I thank God that.

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Speaker 7: We are able and have been able to self sustain

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Speaker 7: our entities just with the help of the people. That's

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Speaker 7: why I spend so much time really equipping and empowering

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Speaker 7: the people with something they can do to help. You know,

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Speaker 7: I don't care if it's again. You can testify on

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Speaker 7: on on legistration, you can you can go in person,

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Speaker 7: you can.

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Speaker 5: Write a letter.

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Speaker 7: You know, the more the merrier when they need to

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Speaker 7: have a consciousness about the fact that we still have

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Speaker 7: people sleeping under bridges and sleeping in words.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell me here for a second. Are you

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Speaker 1: calling for a moratorium on evictions, Minister Flowers? You said

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Speaker 1: where you're asking the lawmakers to do so.

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Speaker 7: One of the things we've decided to do call is

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Speaker 7: again meeting with different agencies. When it comes to our sheriff,

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Speaker 7: when it comes to the Health Department. These entities they

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Speaker 7: have funding, they have money that they're supposed to utilize

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Speaker 7: in crisises right, whether it's homelessness, individuals needing a safe haven.

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Speaker 7: You know, you have individuals that will not go into

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Speaker 7: shelters at all. So again is really up to us

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Speaker 7: as a people to develop and create the spaces that's

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Speaker 7: needed so individuals is not dying on our streets. You know,

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Speaker 7: you look at last winter, we had over two hundred

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Speaker 7: individuals that succumb to the freezing weather of the streets.

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Speaker 7: You know, and when you have these estimated numbers, because

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Speaker 7: again a lot of numbers that our city do is

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Speaker 7: estimated numbers. You know, we have the point account coming up.

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Speaker 7: Baltimore City has a homeless point in time count once

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Speaker 7: a year and this one will be happening from January

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Speaker 7: to twenty fifth to Monday, January to twenty sixth, So

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Speaker 7: over the weekend, you know, we have a group of

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Speaker 7: individuals that get together in Baltimore City and they go

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Speaker 7: to some of the local spots of homelessness, whether it's

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Speaker 7: under the bridge, whether they're in an encampment, whether they're

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Speaker 7: residing in their car. You know, they take this weekend

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Speaker 7: to really go out and canvas and get an estimated number.

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Speaker 9: That's what it is.

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Speaker 7: It's an estimated number because they're not going up in

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Speaker 7: vacant houses, they're not dealing with the population that's CouchSurfing

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Speaker 7: like you said, They just going on the streets and

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Speaker 7: getting an estimated number of individuals they engage that weekend.

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Speaker 7: And that's where too, you know, that's when there's another

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Speaker 7: opportunity in a time for us to get our homeless

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Speaker 7: people off the streets like this count once a year,

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Speaker 7: you know, and engaging individuals on the streets. When are

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Speaker 7: we going to engage them with a solution. When are

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Speaker 7: we going to engage them and pick them up and

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Speaker 7: take them to one of these thousands of vacant builds

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Speaker 7: things in this city. When are we going to pick

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Speaker 7: them up and give them an opportunity not to have

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Speaker 7: to sleep in that tent or sleep under that bridge.

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Speaker 7: You know, you got people that go out for a weekend,

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Speaker 7: give a gift card and just want the number of

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Speaker 7: people that they can estimate and say, these is the

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Speaker 7: number of people that's on our streets on any given night.

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Speaker 7: And I know last year that number was a little

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Speaker 7: over three hundred individuals that they engage throughout this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hold that thought, right, there a minister. Flowers.

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Speaker 1: Mark is checking in from Baltimore, YO City. He says,

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Speaker 1: he knows you. He's on like two Grand Rise in

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Speaker 1: Markey on with Christina Flowers.

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Speaker 10: Hey, hey grand Rising, you know Carling Grand grand Rising Flowers?

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Speaker 10: Heany everybody you know when Balmore is doing the work.

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Speaker 10: I was telling me vything, you got my friend on

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Speaker 10: it there? Everybody I have said, no, only the people

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Speaker 10: that's doing the work in Baltimore is my friend. And

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Speaker 10: I'm speaking tooth to power on my on my platform

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Speaker 10: going on fourteen years this year, miss Flowers, because it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 10: I was in DC yesterday when the mayor got the

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Speaker 10: award call and the Baltimore the seniors that were sitting

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Speaker 10: at the Baltimore table, we wasn't feeling you know, we

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Speaker 10: wasn't feeling it at all, because.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on a second market. What did the

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Speaker 1: mayor get an award for? What was it?

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Speaker 10: He got award for bringing the mergers and stuff down

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Speaker 10: and saying what he say all me and miss Flowers

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Speaker 10: notice is not true. He's still traumatized when the police

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Speaker 10: set him on the curve back in the day. Every

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00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 10: chance he gets, he'll say, well, I went back, you know,

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Speaker 10: I just I'm doing something different. I ain't going back

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Speaker 10: to the lot of everybody up.

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Speaker 4: Well, stephan were Blake was there.

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Speaker 10: He came into Old seven ninety yard Lake and then

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Speaker 10: in twenty eleven mervs with one ninety seven number septies.

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Speaker 10: Rob Wait, you know so I talked to him face

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Speaker 10: to face, ask him about the boys' school.

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Speaker 4: Hold.

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Speaker 1: I thought, right there, Mark, we got to step aside

549
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Speaker 1: and get caught up in the in the lates news,

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Speaker 1: traffic and weather and at different stations. We want to

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Speaker 1: hear what this conversation was all about. Family Youtubo can

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Speaker 1: join us. We're speaking with Christina Flowers Minster Flowers is.

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Speaker 1: She's a homeless advocate. She helps the unhoused inner city

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Speaker 1: of Baltimore City. We hope we have a Christina Flowers

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Speaker 1: in every city, will do that. Don't think about the

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Speaker 1: homeless in our community. What are your thoughts? You want

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Speaker 1: to join this discussion, reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: So we'll take a phone calls after we check the news, trafficking,

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Speaker 1: weather in our different cities. That's next and Grand Rising family.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Our guest the

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Speaker 1: minister Christina Flowers from Baltimore. She works with the on House,

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Speaker 1: the homeless folks in that city, and Marcus joined us

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Speaker 1: before we go back to them. So let me just

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Speaker 1: remind you coming up with lady this morning, we're speak

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Speaker 1: with the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. There

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Speaker 1: are to be Attorney my LaDue Shabaz and also before

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Speaker 1: we get to attorney, Medi Sabas Dot the gk at

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Speaker 1: Coua will explain the African origin of religion. And later

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Speaker 1: this week you're gonna hear from Professor aminuam Pin also

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Speaker 1: flip that Stocks Jr. Fener will be here. Africology professor

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Speaker 1: from Temple University, Doctor Devil join us and also economist

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Speaker 1: the doctor Julian and Malvo will also be here as well.

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Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

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Speaker 1: your radiar locked in tight on ten ten WLB or

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Speaker 1: if you're in the Washington DC era, we're on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty w o L. All right, Minister Flowers, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you finish your response because I think it was no

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Speaker 1: Mark was speaking. Mark. You're about to tell us the story,

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Speaker 1: so go ahead.

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Speaker 10: Okay, so yeah, real, real quick man, because it's about

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Speaker 10: the homeless. So the mayor got the award for bringing

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Speaker 10: the murders down.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 10: In Baltimore, the murders were under two hundred, I thank

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Speaker 10: for in a lot of years, that's forty eleven. And

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Speaker 10: so outside looking in, he got the award for bringing

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Speaker 10: it down. But we know it was boots on the ground.

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Speaker 10: We know it was collaboration with the state's attorney and

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00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 10: Eric barronon on and on and on and on. But

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00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 10: he got anyway. So uh, we were staying, as God

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00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 10: would have it, we were standing when he went in,

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00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 10: went into the restroom. So we came out. Me and

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Speaker 10: this win. He's an Africate here, so I said. Mss

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Speaker 10: Gwynn asked him about the boys school, So he asked him,

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Speaker 10: so he started lying immediately. He said, well, the charter

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Speaker 10: school number one is uh it's a Baltimore city uh uh,

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Speaker 10: free charter school. Black boys. They the only ones that

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Speaker 10: he's trying to close. So he said, when they make

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Speaker 10: goals and they don't reach and blah blah blah. And

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Speaker 10: I saved it last year, I couldn't save it this year.

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Speaker 10: So all that was a lie. So what I did

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Speaker 10: this we speaking truth to power. And Miss Flowers, we

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00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 10: paid for our shows, so we speaking truth to power

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Speaker 10: this year. So what I did immediately when I got

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Speaker 10: when I got got ready to go home, I called

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Speaker 10: Edwards And when the head of the boys' school, And

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Speaker 10: I said, ed when the mayor just said and y'all

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00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 10: don't reach goals and this, that and the other, and

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Speaker 10: he saved you last year. Edward say, well, he never

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Speaker 10: said that to me. So guess what car in real

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00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 10: time yesterday he was able to call brother Jason show

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Speaker 10: and dispute that. That's how we rode it. That's how

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Speaker 10: we rote it. So but I want Ms. Flowers two

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Speaker 10: questions because we got to stop playing with them. Number One,

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Speaker 10: the mayor? What do you want to say to the mayor?

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Speaker 10: Because I'm gonna call his office later on today four

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Speaker 10: and oh three nine six forty nine hundred, what do

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Speaker 10: you want to say to him? Because he got millions

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Speaker 10: of dollars car in opiate money that he could spend

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Speaker 10: any kind of way, what do you want to say

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Speaker 10: to him? And if I heard on the news a

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Speaker 10: black and a white young person say we got thirty thousand,

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Speaker 10: called young people. That's an addictive home and a lot

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Speaker 10: of them home.

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Speaker 4: Could you please speak to that.

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Speaker 7: And you're right, You're right, Mark like speaking truth to

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Speaker 7: power and what we would say and I say we

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Speaker 7: as an organization, as a city of concern individuals that

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Speaker 7: would like to have that opportunity. And when I say

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Speaker 7: an opportunity, when you're coming from the private sector, it's

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Speaker 7: not so much of begging for grant money. It's not

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Speaker 7: so much of bowing down. You know, we're not here

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Speaker 7: to make friends. Basically, our mayor need to understand that

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Speaker 7: the solutions on the streets and the resources that we

636
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 7: are gathering and developing are from everyday people that's just concerned,

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Speaker 7: Like we need to have an opportunity to hear some

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Speaker 7: of the solutions that we operate and perform in every day.

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Speaker 7: You know, we just housed a mother with two little

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 7: boys yesterday, Like everything happens like not with them understanding

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Speaker 7: that it really takes a village. So when he gets

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 7: to the point of bringing people in and having his

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00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 7: set groups, you know, that's where the problem is at

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Speaker 7: because he's not engaging or allowing other resources to come

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Speaker 7: in to be a part of the solution.

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Speaker 5: For all people.

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Speaker 7: You know, I take my hat off to boots on

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Speaker 7: the ground. The work you guys do, we are us.

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Speaker 7: Like you said, it takes an effort, and for some reason,

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Speaker 7: we have a mayor that is isolated to building his

651
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Speaker 7: own little circle, and that doesn't work in a city

652
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Speaker 7: like Baltimore. That's why we having so many issues and

653
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 7: so many nonprofits are suffering right now, closing their doors

654
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 7: in the midst of an administration already about to take

655
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 7: funds from different cities. If you're a sanctuary city, you're

656
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 7: about to lose funds, you're about to lose money. Well,

657
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 7: Baltimore City we have closed I know at least three

658
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 7: programs this far is struggling and closing their doors, not

659
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 7: only because of the lack of the funds, but they're

660
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 7: not getting their invoices paid.

661
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 6: They're not getting paid from city Hall.

662
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 7: So when you're looking at this level of corruption, our

663
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 7: man need to sit down and have a conversation with

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Speaker 7: those of us who are the boots on the ground,

665
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 7: because that's where the real work begins. Because the harvest

666
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 7: is all over the place. Mark so a lot of

667
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 7: people staying real busy. I don't care if as we

668
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 7: are us safe streets. I'm sure they're busy, but when

669
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 7: it comes to really narrowing it down and prioritizing things,

670
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 7: we need a man that's able to engage us as

671
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 7: advocates and the specialists that we are and Broughtimore City.

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Speaker 1: All right ten away from the top of a minister

673
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Speaker 1: Christina Flowers and mister Flowers, are you seeing an increase

674
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Speaker 1: in women and children now on the streets?

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00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 7: Yes, the women and children, you know, Mark, and you

676
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 7: could call it the baby boomers, the young mothers. It's

677
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 7: just a lot in that area. And it's due to

678
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 7: a lot of neglect as well. And I say that

679
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 7: because we are dealing with a lot of young mothers

680
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 7: with one, two, three children experiencing homelessness here in Baltimore

681
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 7: City now, because you know, it could be anything from

682
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 7: the trauma that they are experiencing from some unhealthy relationships.

683
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 7: It could be from the trauma that you can't live

684
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 7: with your mother or your father, you can't go around

685
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 7: your family, you know. I ask questions like that when

686
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 7: I see little babies and young mothers being homeless now,

687
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 7: like how is your relationship? You got to ask them

688
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 7: questions because sometimes, yes, they damage their own relationships, but

689
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 7: then at the same time, there are not enough resources

690
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 7: in our city when it comes to our homeless youth,

691
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 7: nor the homeless mothers and children. Like these are specially

692
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 7: designed programs that need to operate and function. And yes,

693
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Speaker 7: we deal basically with the encampments that are unsheltered and

694
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 7: all the population, But when I'm looking at the mothers

695
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 7: and children and working with them is really heartbreaking because

696
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 7: we do have a lot of programs and Baltimore City

697
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 7: that publicly talk about working with this population, but at

698
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 7: the same time, a lot of them are falling on

699
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 7: our doorstep because they experience and homelessness on top of

700
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Speaker 7: the neglect of other things, healthy relationships, family units are broken.

701
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Speaker 7: Like when I'm looking at these mothers that are experiencing

702
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 7: homelessness and getting evicted from places, like you know, I

703
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 7: went to a place the other day, I'm like, I

704
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 7: can't even believe nobody living here. Children lived in that place.

705
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 7: So this is where we start looking for accountability from

706
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Speaker 7: all of these boots on the ground organizations here in

707
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 7: Baltimore City that should be, you know, working on healthy

708
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 7: starts for children, Like it's names of programs here that's

709
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 7: getting funding, and I'm wondering, like, how are these mothers

710
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 7: and children suffering so much to be falling to the

711
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 7: level of I'm just at Miss Flowers door because I'm homeless.

712
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 7: What about the other programs that's operating and functioning that

713
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 7: should be resolving and helping these families. So accountability is

714
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 7: a real serious issue in Baltimore City. So when you

715
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 7: talk about an administration coming and taking funds and pulling

716
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 7: out the plank out of people lives, it's because our city,

717
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 7: by design operate and a misappropriated in a mismanageable way

718
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 7: when it comes to funding. You know, when you hear

719
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Speaker 7: Mark talk about the schools, I don't care if it's

720
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Speaker 7: the schools that's dealing with homelessness and children a lot.

721
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Speaker 7: You know, we got a lot of money last year

722
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 7: when it came to the mckinnity funds, and a lot

723
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 7: of that money did not go to helping these homeless

724
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 7: school aged kids that's in school every day or half

725
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 7: of the time in school because they can't get a

726
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 7: ride from the shelter. When you look at some of

727
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 7: these circumstances that these families are facing, Mark, it is

728
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 7: nothing but neglect. And this is a sign of oppression

729
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 7: to me when I'm looking at these young mothers not

730
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 7: being able to access to sources, nor being able to

731
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Speaker 7: provide for their family.

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Speaker 1: And six away from the top of our family, just

733
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: checking in, I guess is Minister's Christina Flowers, her slice

734
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: of the pies, helping the house the homeless people in

735
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: her city of Baltimore. And I got to ask you

736
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Speaker 1: this question though, the the all these boarded up buildings

737
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: that I saw when I was in Baltimore, this and

738
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: we got people sleeping on the streets, And again I

739
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: got to ask you about those sisters I always asked

740
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: you about when I was there. That was that left

741
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: a lasting impression on me because this is this, This

742
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: is somebody's mother's grandma's sisters laying on the concrete family

743
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: And we told me it was the day too. It

744
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: was bitterly cold. And when I'm saying bitterly cold, it

745
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: was It's one of them days. The hawk was go

746
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: out there as well as it was just the temperatures

747
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: were really probably in the single digits. But Minister Flowers, first,

748
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: the boarded up building still there, any movement to open

749
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: them up to to the to the on house too.

750
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: Are those those elderly sisters, are they is any step

751
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: to help them?

752
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 7: So let me let me ask the vote for those questions,

753
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 7: brother Carl. The first thing is by design. Again, in

754
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 7: Baltimore City, we still have a lot of vacant buildings,

755
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 7: a lot of vacant boarded up houses, and you have

756
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 7: a lot of people with personal agendas for these houses.

757
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 7: And I say that because everything, when it's dealing with humanity,

758
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 7: turns into a bureaucratic issue. We have these vacant houses,

759
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 7: we have buildings that's big enough, we have school houses,

760
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 7: We have so many solutions in Baltimore City for them

761
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 7: to work with the grassroots homeless advocates. But again, when

762
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 7: we don't get that invitation or have that invite to

763
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 7: engage our political leaders for solutions, you know we're still

764
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 7: facing this type of issue. And that's another meeting that

765
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Speaker 7: we have coming up with our Commission of Housing.

766
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Speaker 1: Because oh, hopefully we haven't lost minister Flowers. Sound like

767
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: a phone job, but I'll tell you, well, we got

768
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: to check the trafficking weather anyway, Kevin, So you can

769
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: get that Minister Christina Flowers back. Family. You want to

770
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: help Minister Christina Flowers with the homeless, especially if you

771
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: live in Baltimore. Reach out to us at eight hundred

772
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Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and

773
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls after we check the traffic

774
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: and weather now different cities. That's next, and Grand Rising family,

775
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: thanks for starting to go Tuesday with us and our guests,

776
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: the Minister Christina Flowers, Mama Tello. We're going to speak

777
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: with doctor a coua chi k. But first listen of

778
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: wrapper with Minister Flowers, because I think a line dropped

779
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: my questions. Minister Flowers, I know you're back, so you

780
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: want to finish responding to those questions. And I got

781
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: a tweet question.

782
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 7: For you as well, and I think we were just

783
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 7: winding up the facts of our vacant houses, and again,

784
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 7: you know, it just led me to saying that we

785
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 7: have to come to that place of requesting. I don't

786
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 7: want to use the word demand, because sometimes demand gives

787
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 7: people the thought of being more guarded and being more

788
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 7: defensive towards us. So you know, we just request the

789
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 7: things that we have here in our city to be

790
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 7: utilized more to protect and help humanity and the vacant

791
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 7: buildings is one of them.

792
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: And also I asked you about the elderly sisters that

793
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: I saw when I was in Baltimore. They were sleeping

794
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: on the streets, and you know.

795
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 7: That's on Cathedral. What they have done, Carl, the little

796
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 7: the center that was sitting there that kind of harbored

797
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 7: and drew everybody to them was the My Sister Place

798
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 7: drop in center. It's a dropping center that sits at

799
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Speaker 7: the corner of that alley. You still have about five

800
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 7: tenths out there because you do have those women, those

801
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 7: elderly women that you know, whether mentally or you know physically,

802
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 7: they're not going to be a part.

803
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 5: Of no shelter.

804
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 7: Has it been a housing solution for them, No, it

805
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 7: has not. So they are still drifting around the main

806
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 7: library and that alley. Again, like I said earlier, you know,

807
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 7: we got to do more than just show up with

808
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 7: a gift card or trying to get a number from them.

809
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 7: We need to show up with a solution. And our

810
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 7: solution is available here in our city. Again, if we

811
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 7: just had the opportunity to engage our local officials with

812
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 7: the solutions that we utilize every day and what has

813
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 7: been sustaining us for fourteen years in this.

814
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Speaker 1: City, right, And I got a tweet question for you.

815
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: A tweeter says, mister Flowers, how many homeless people are

816
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: there on the streets of Baltimore. Are the families aware

817
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: that many of the loved ones are living on the streets?

818
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: Is there a way for folks to find them? And

819
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: let me just add since the person tweeted this, is

820
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: there a mechanism set up that you know, there's somebody's

821
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: homeless that you know ivin you and people are, you know,

822
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: looking for their loved ones and don't know if they're

823
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: on the streets. It's sort of repository where where the

824
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: city has or somebody has that knows that they're at

825
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: this shelter or this shelter or that. So I'll let

826
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: you respond that question, and that my question at the bank.

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Speaker 7: So one of the things that we utilize, Carl, is

828
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 7: the homeless system, you know, because I have family calling

829
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 7: me looking for their loved ones, and the first thing

830
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 7: I tell them is, let's reach out to the homeless

831
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 7: services portal. And when you think about the homeless services

832
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 7: portal that should be more available. You could look at

833
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 7: the opportunity of people signing their name for bus tokens

834
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 7: for food, a dropping center. You know, I found that

835
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 7: to be a way of really helping families look for

836
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 7: their loved ones. And again, we don't always know the

837
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 7: trauma or the experience in that family that caused these

838
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 7: vigils to be out on the streets. And I say

839
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 7: that literally as a lived inspurious you know, I didn't

840
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 7: live under the bridge with some of these personalities and behaviors.

841
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 7: So sometime, you know, you're dealing with a generation of millenniums.

842
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 7: You know, they've done things, attitudes, you know, made mind

843
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 7: running from home, or they feel like they want a

844
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 7: certain amount of independence, and then reality hits in real

845
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 7: quick when they find theirself and that shelter really not

846
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 7: being able to mend their family back.

847
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

848
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Speaker 1: But Minister Flowers, I just want to thank you for

849
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: the work that you do, but also your group needs help.

850
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: You're doing this alone. You're trying to feed the homeless,

851
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,959
Speaker 1: fine places for them to stay at night. It's got

852
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: to be taxing on you. So let me put the

853
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: bag on the family A family. You're out there and

854
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: you want to help, Minister Christina Flowers and start the

855
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: year off, Well, this is what you should do. Reach

856
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: out to her and help her whatever you can do.

857
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be money. It could be food,

858
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: it could be closed to help the people who look

859
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: like us, who are being ignored by the people who

860
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: we support, who represent us, whether it be at city

861
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: Hall or whether it be in Annapolis. And this happens

862
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: all over the country. By the way, you look at

863
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: the homeless money of it, many of them in different cities.

864
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Speaker 1: I've been in LA. I never saw so many homeless

865
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Speaker 1: people in La since side.

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Speaker 4: Well.

867
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Speaker 1: I look there on the side of the freeways, onto

868
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: the bridges and I'm like, wow, what's.

869
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 7: Going on in this country?

870
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: But La, the weather is good. At least Florida has

871
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: got has got the same problem. The weather is good. Great.

872
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: We're talking about Baltimore in the wintertime, Washington, d C.

873
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: New York City, Detroit, Chicago, all the many of them

874
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: look like us. So family, if you can help, Minster Flowers,

875
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: mister Flowers, how could they reach you?

876
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 7: Well, Carl, we have a website Www. Help brought Timore's

877
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 7: Homeless dot org. And again, you know, we have had

878
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 7: so much support from your airways because some of your

879
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 7: listeners have went and joined Jennifer over at the midsnight

880
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 7: of shelter. You know, they have called me and I

881
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 7: was like able to lead them to help her because again,

882
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 7: like you said, it's not all monetary. Like when we're

883
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 7: talking about feeding, we always need can goods with pop pops,

884
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 7: we always need drop blankets. So again, if people want

885
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 7: to help, I'm always reachable. You could text me for

886
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 7: one zero three six five five five sixty seven, or

887
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 7: you could go to our website www. Help port Timor's

888
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 7: homeless dot org and be a part of the movement.

889
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 7: And again we get to join the forces with DC

890
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 7: and sister Jennifer because again they've called me from DC

891
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 7: from on this line and I've been able to just

892
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 7: connect the dots. And that's what building is all about.

893
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 7: In God's Kingdom, we can have the opportunity to be

894
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 7: the solution for humanity. So thank you, Carl, I think

895
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 7: he give you.

896
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: Give you a tex give that text number again for us.

897
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 7: Role three six five five five sixty seven. You can

898
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 7: leave me a text message, you could call me. That's

899
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 7: my personal community line and I always respond sooner or

900
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 7: later to it immediately. So I look forward to hearing

901
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 7: from individuals that have an interest or concern and reference

902
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 7: to being a solution for our unsheltered homeless community. And again, I.

903
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: Think and number again it's anywhere in the country family,

904
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: because you know, again this is our problem. These are

905
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: these are this is our family, these are our folks.

906
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: Nobody else is going to come and help them but us.

907
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: So we have to that's what we so what we're

908
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: here for, that's what we have to do. Minster Flowers,

909
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you, and thank you for

910
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: the work that you do. Because you've been relentless and

911
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: in trying to help the homeless. You've got somebody's in

912
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: the spirit that you have in you to do that.

913
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: You know, that's what salute what you do because now

914
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: many of us we we just see the homeless and

915
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: we and we like this, the elderly sisters and people

916
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: were just walking over them and it become a norm.

917
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 7: It become a norm to us, Carl.

918
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're coming here the sides like that. Well,

919
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: we've got we've got to change it. We've got to

920
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: change it. And again, nobody else is going to do it,

921
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: so we have to do it. Thank you, minister Flowers,

922
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: thank you for the work that you do.

923
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 7: Thank you. I'll stay tuned in, have a great day.

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00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: Stay strong, sister a minister Christina Flowers family, and she's

925
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: didn't great work in Baltimore. I just hope that it's

926
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: Christina Flowers in every city looking out for our folks

927
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: at any level at all. Anyway, let's turn our attention

928
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: out to Atlanta where doctor Ku is waiting for us.

929
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, brother Chee k. Welcome back to the program.

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00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, and grant rising to you, brother.

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Speaker 1: Carl, Professor Chiku. He's a he's good. We're going to

932
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: talk about First of all, we're going to talk about

933
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: African origins of faith. Before we do that, uh, doctor Chiku,

934
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: we we have to we have to pay homage to

935
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: one of our one of our great inspirational leaders who

936
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: left us last week. And of course I'm talking about

937
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: doctor Charles Finch, who inspired a lot of work that

938
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: y'all know that you do. He was he was a

939
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: repositive for a lot of information chematology. He was one

940
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: of these brilliant brothers. He was a medical doctor and

941
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: also a chematologist. Your thoughts on doctor Finch.

942
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 6: Oh Man, truly a master teacher, a saber and a

943
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 6: jugment and the best tradition of our ancestors who has

944
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 6: now come forth by day and made this transition into

945
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 6: the light. Doctor Finch was a monumental African. To use

946
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 6: the words of doctor Renoko Rashidi, Doctor Finch was a

947
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 6: medical doctor by training, but he was so much more

948
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 6: than that. He wrote some of his early writings include

949
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 6: the African Background of Medical Science, which he wrote that

950
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 6: and a number of other articles for doctor Ivan van

951
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 6: Sertima's journal called the Journal of African Civilizations. Not only that,

952
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 6: but doctor Finch was a He was the director of

953
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 6: International Medicine at Morehouse School of Medicine here in Atlanta

954
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 6: for many many years, and he was focused on traditional

955
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 6: African healing, and so he brought traditional African healers from

956
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 6: Senegal to the United States for the first time and

957
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 6: had a huge healing ceremony in the Sea Islands of

958
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 6: South Carolina. In addition to that, the way that I

959
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 6: came to know doctor Finch was through the Jugna Collective,

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00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 6: which was a black educator state tank that was convened

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00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 6: by doctor Asa Hilliard and doctor E. T. Hari Terre,

962
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 6: and so through that they would bring in different African

963
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 6: scholars like doctor Finch, and it was through that that

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00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 6: I really got to know him and got to know

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Speaker 6: his work. Some of his eminal books include The Star

966
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 6: of Deep Beginnings, The African Genesis of Science and Technology,

967
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 6: Echoes of the Old Dark Land, and then more recently

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00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 6: before his passing, he wrote a four hundred page book

969
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 6: called Now Valley Civilization, a ten thousand year history, and

970
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 6: then lastly his last book that came out last year,

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00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 6: it was called African Medicine. But we are tremendously indebted

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00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 6: to his focus, to his scholarship, and he was just

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 6: a wonderful person, very accessible and always willing to share

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00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 6: what he knew and point you in the direction that

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00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 6: you needed to go.

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00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need shared with us too, he meant, shaken

977
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: to Jopp into car, tell us about that mean i'

978
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: let me just shout out brother Tony Braddle as well,

979
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: because Brother Tony brought a Doctor Finch to one of

980
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: our power Talk conversation and the crowd was just you know,

981
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: they just went crazy when they heard, many of them

982
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: seeing him for the first time they probably heard him

983
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: read it and read his books with actually see him

984
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: for the first time and hear what he had to say, So,

985
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: I want to shout out brother Tony for doing that,

986
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: because I know doctor Finch had a lot of influence

987
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: on his and his career as well. But tell us

988
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: about his meeting Shake on the Shop and and for

989
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: an expanded folks too who are un'tfamiliar with Shake on

990
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: the Shop.

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00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 6: Absolutely they shout out to brother Tony Brown as well.

992
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 6: He has impacted millions studios work. Certainly he has had

993
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 6: a profound impact on me. But in terms of doctor

994
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 6: Shakedown to Dab, he was a singing Belize multi scholar.

995
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 6: So he was from the west coast of African Senegal,

996
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 6: and he was known for developing the melon in dosage test,

997
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 6: which allowed him to determine the fact that the royal

998
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 6: mummies of ancient Kmmate or Egypt were in fact black people.

999
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 6: Uh And so as a part of his doctoral studies

1000
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 6: at the Sorbonne in Paris, he requested access to the

1001
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 6: royal mummies of Kimmid. They denied him for two years,

1002
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 6: but finally they relented and they gave him access to

1003
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 6: the royal mummies. And he said, I will take a

1004
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 6: skin sample, and I will take that skin sample put

1005
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 6: it in a solution of applebenzoid, and when you shine

1006
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 6: a light upon it, it causes the melanocytes, the melanocytes

1007
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 6: are the cells that hold the melanin. It causes those

1008
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 6: melanocytes to become fluorescent. And you can literally look under

1009
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 6: a microscope and count the number of melanicites to determine

1010
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 6: the shade or skin tone of the person whose skin

1011
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 6: you're analyzing, because melanin doesn't degrade over time the last

1012
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 6: thousands and thousands of years, and so of course, through

1013
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 6: that he was able to determine that the ancient Kmetic

1014
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 6: people or ancient Egyptians were in fact black people. But

1015
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 6: what he also found was that when he was finally

1016
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 6: given access to the mummies, that the skin of many

1017
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 6: of them had almost been completely scraped, meaning that the

1018
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 6: French had already performed the same experiment and come to

1019
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 6: the same conclusion, but they didn't publish their finding. That's

1020
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 6: why they didn't want to give him access to the

1021
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 6: royal mummies. And so doctor Diapp was a multidisciplinarian. He

1022
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 6: was a master of many different subjects. He was a historian,

1023
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 6: he was a linguist, he was a political scientist. He

1024
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 6: was an activist who was actually thrown in jail for

1025
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 6: some of his political activism. He was a physicist, just

1026
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 6: a multidisciplinary genius in the same tradition of m Hotep,

1027
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 6: and doctor Charles Finch had the opportunity went out of

1028
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 6: his way to schedule a meeting with him. I want

1029
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 6: to say this was back in the eighties, and doctor

1030
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 6: Diopp was able to give doctor Finch a linguistic key

1031
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 6: that allowed him to translate many words from Hebrew back

1032
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 6: into the original language of ancient Chemic, which was meta NEETI.

1033
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 6: This allowed doctor Finch to read the Bible from a

1034
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 6: completely different perspective, understanding that many of the names actually

1035
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 6: derived from ancient comedic or Egyptian sources because of the

1036
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 6: linguistic key that doctor Finch gave him. So he records

1037
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 6: all of this in his book Echoes of the Old

1038
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 6: Dark Land. And so doctor Finch, I've used his research

1039
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 6: in so much of my work, from my doctoral dissertation

1040
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 6: to many of the books that I've written, I've been

1041
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 6: able to cite his research to back up the claims

1042
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 6: that I'm making. So he was just a monumental African

1043
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 6: who was solely dedicated to our spiritual, scientific and technological

1044
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 6: uplift dose people.

1045
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought right there, we guys take

1046
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: a show when we come back there. I want you

1047
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: to tell the family what inspired you to write the

1048
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: African Origins of Our Faith? And how's it? How's the

1049
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: community receiving it, especially the people who were you know,

1050
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: say they're Christians or Muslims. How are they receiving it

1051
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: when they read your book? Seventeen minutes at the top

1052
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: of the our family, you want to join our discussion

1053
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: with doctor Cokka Kevin's got his name backwards. Reach out

1054
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred and four or five zero

1055
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: seventy eight to seventy six, or take your phone calls.

1056
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: Next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for starting your Tuesday

1057
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: with us and our guests. Professor T. K Akua he

1058
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: teaches down in Atlanta and he's written a book about

1059
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: the the African Origins of our Faith. And I'll asked

1060
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 1: you about you know, what inspired you to write this book,

1061
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: doctor gk And how's the community, especially the faith community,

1062
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: how are they receiving the book?

1063
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 6: Well, I'm gonna answer the second question first call. The

1064
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 6: community is receiving it and tremendous fashion. As a matter

1065
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 6: of fact, Just this past week, I did an online

1066
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 6: training for six different churches that are strategically located throughout

1067
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 6: the country with their ministers and their youth ministries to

1068
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 6: teach them how to infuse our history and culture into

1069
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 6: their youth ministries. And so they're reading the book and

1070
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 6: following along with that training. In addition, we did a

1071
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 6: national webinar back in November part one, and we have

1072
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 6: another one coming up part two. So the community has

1073
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 6: responded tremendously. I think we had over two hundred people

1074
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 6: on that live webinar back in November, and we already

1075
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 6: have almost one hundred register for the one coming up

1076
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 6: this Saturday. So for those that are interested, you can

1077
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 6: just text the word faith to seven seven zero three

1078
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 6: zero nine six six'. Four again that seven seven oh

1079
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 6: three zero nine six' four and just text the word

1080
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 6: faith and we'll send you the link. To register it's.

1081
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 6: Absolutely free so the community is. Responding tremendously but what

1082
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 6: inspired me to, Write, it carl is a lot of

1083
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 6: people are on. THE wall i actually have a background.

1084
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 6: In ministry education is actually, my ministry so THAT'S why

1085
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 6: i don't tend to lead. With That but i've been

1086
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 6: involved in ministry for over thirty, years now and so

1087
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 6: it kind of began. My transformation my spiritual transformation began.

1088
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 6: In COLLEGE but i was also involved in an organization

1089
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 6: Called The African, studies cluster a tremendous organization campus ORGANIZATION

1090
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 6: while i was At hand university working on my. Bachelor's

1091
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 6: degree and this was an organization of brothers and sisters

1092
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 6: who were of many different faiths or no faith, at

1093
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 6: all but everyone was seeking and striving and understood that

1094
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 6: spiritual development had to be a part of our. Quest

1095
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 6: liberation and so we had brothers and sisters Who, were

1096
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 6: rastafarians we had some Who, were christians we had some Who.

1097
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 6: Were muslims we had some who were more into The

1098
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 6: ancient kmetic tradition And traditional. African spirituality, and THEN like,

1099
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 6: i said who weren't any? Of that some Who Were

1100
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 6: hebrew israelites or didn't practice any, particular faith but they

1101
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 6: knew and wanted to be centered in a. Spiritual tradition

1102
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,919
Speaker 6: and so, seeing THAT and i learned a great deal

1103
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 6: from thos brothers. And sisters in addition, to that there

1104
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 6: was a meeting Between The African studies cluster And The Student,

1105
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 6: christian association and each one was really trying to convert.

1106
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 6: The other but an interesting. Dialogue ensued brother From The

1107
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 6: Christian Student christian, association said, You know i'm proud of

1108
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 6: my history, and Culture but i'm not trying to Get.

1109
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 6: To africa i'm trying to Get. To heaven and then

1110
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 6: one of the brothers From The African studies, clusters, said

1111
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 6: well our ancestors showed us. The way and so it

1112
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 6: was a very interesting exchange and a very interesting dialogue

1113
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 6: that really imprinted on my heart and my spirit that

1114
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 6: we needed to Have Some pan african principles of spiritual

1115
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 6: unity that allow us to work together, toward liberation regardless

1116
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 6: of the religion or spiritual path that. We've chosen another

1117
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 6: thing that inspired me to write the book is Doctor

1118
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 6: Is Shaka, musaber shango who's written a number of wonderful

1119
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 6: Books Like african People And european Holidays And, Mental Genocide,

1120
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 6: african Woman The Original. Guardian angel he's written a number of.

1121
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 6: Powerful BOOKS but i saw him lecture again many, years

1122
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 6: ago just, finishing college and in it, he said all

1123
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,479
Speaker 6: of these stories In the bible can be traced back

1124
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 6: to ancient co Medic or egyptian. Sacred, texts now that

1125
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 6: wasn't the subject of. His lecture he just mentioned it and.

1126
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 6: Kept GOING but i got. STUCK there i, was on wait,

1127
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 6: A minute i never heard that to all of the

1128
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 6: stories In the bible can be traced back To ancient african.

1129
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 6: Sacred texts AND so i started doing some bigger than

1130
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 6: doing some research and found that what he said. Was

1131
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 6: true and so In The african origins Of our, FAITH

1132
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 6: book i have a comparative Table where i've taken fifty

1133
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 6: Five ancient african sacred texts and put them right Alongside

1134
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 6: the biblical scriptures that are saying the exact same thing

1135
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 6: or sharing a, similar sentiment similar. Spiritual sentiment the difference

1136
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 6: is These ancient african sacred texts Predate the bible by

1137
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 6: five hundred to one thousand or. More years AND while

1138
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 6: i took fifty five examples For, THE carl, i Literally

1139
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 6: and i'm, NOT exaggerating i literally could have taken a.

1140
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 6: Thousand examples it was just. That EXTENSIVE but i didn't

1141
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 6: want to have, some big thick book that people wouldn't

1142
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 6: read a one to keep it to a certain. Page

1143
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 6: count and so what we've done is we, compiled that

1144
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 6: and then we gave some essays and some commentary on

1145
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 6: how these spiritual concepts were changed, over time how they

1146
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 6: were obscured and even buried in. Some cases and so

1147
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 6: it's been great eye opening for. The community many people

1148
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 6: In The african center community were already aware, of this

1149
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 6: but they didn't know. The details my book has. The

1150
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 6: details many of them may have been aware of it

1151
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 6: but didn't have. The evidence my book has. The evidence

1152
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 6: and then you have people Who are christian who He

1153
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,439
Speaker 6: gri israelites Who are muslims and, so forth who it's

1154
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 6: helpful for them as well to see where many of

1155
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 6: these ideas originated that later show up in their. Sacred

1156
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 6: texts and so it's been a wonderful exchange and again

1157
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 6: an opportunity for us to come together based on spiritual

1158
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 6: principles that we can all. Agree on and so it's

1159
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 6: it's been a blessing to see how. It's flourished even

1160
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 6: received a call last night from Down in texas uh

1161
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 6: an invitation to come down there and share some information

1162
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 6: about it.

1163
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: As well i'm happy that people are having an open

1164
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: mind when it comes to, this discussion because many people

1165
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: are so so wedded to. Their religion THAT'S the gk

1166
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: that they will not you know anything that, deviates that

1167
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: or tell them please have an. Open mind, you know

1168
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: our ancestors wrote many of the stuff that you're reading In,

1169
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 1: the bible and it Predates, the bible predates the. Printing

1170
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: press so what, you're hearing we're not saying for you

1171
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: to abandon. Your religion this IS what i, tell him

1172
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: and correct me if i'm we're not telling you about

1173
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: whether you Mentioned The high Faith or rastafarian or some

1174
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: of the other FRINGE and i call, them fringe and

1175
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: they'll be probably upset me for calling them that that kind.

1176
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: Of religion because we Have The faith brothers who come

1177
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: on here regularly and one, Of Them, dr edmonds he,

1178
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: teaches religion so he's versed in all the, really religions

1179
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: including he Knows about ISAs and peru and all. Of

1180
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: that he knows About. Ancient egyptians but he still Clings.

1181
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 1: To christianity he's still and that's, you know but. That's

1182
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: cool that's. His THING and i, always say if it works,

1183
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: for you please don't. Leave it, you KNOW when i

1184
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: tell you to adopt the, new religion we just want

1185
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: you to be aware of where it all. Started FROM

1186
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: am i correct in saying that to some.

1187
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 6: Their, Listeners yes so this is where my training as

1188
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 6: a teacher is, very helpful because how you teach something

1189
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 6: is as important as what. You're teaching, and, so yeah

1190
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 6: there are a lot of people who would immediately be

1191
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 6: turned off if you don't present this in a manner

1192
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 6: that they can, receive it and so how we do

1193
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 6: that is. Very important one of the first things is

1194
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 6: not to weaponize. This information i've seen where some people

1195
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 6: take this knowledge and information and kind of beat people

1196
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 6: over the head with it and make them feel bad

1197
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 6: for what they believe in different things. Like that that's

1198
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 6: not my approach because we like for people to have.

1199
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 6: Their dignity.

1200
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 4: I'll.

1201
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 6: NEVER forget i once heard a lecture By Doctor milana

1202
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 6: kringa where he said it's more important to win the

1203
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 6: person than, the point because if you win, the person

1204
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 6: you can always come back and discuss. The point but

1205
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 6: if you lose, the person then you'll never get a

1206
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 6: chance to make. The point and the whole purpose is

1207
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 6: to win. The person And so i'm not after agreement by,

1208
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 6: The car i'm. After understanding i'm gonna say that AGAIN

1209
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 6: because i really want people to. Hear this i'm not

1210
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 6: expecting people to agree with EVERYTHING that. I say i'm not.

1211
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 6: After agreement i'm, after understanding because if you just take

1212
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 6: the time to listen and understand, my perspective you may

1213
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 6: not agree, with it but, you say, YOU know i

1214
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 6: hear what the brother, is SAYING and i in turn

1215
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 6: have to have that same understanding to be able to

1216
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 6: listen to people, and say, you know that's an. Interesting

1217
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 6: perspective here's. My perspective but AT least i understand where

1218
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,440
Speaker 6: you're coming from and why you're coming from. This perspective

1219
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 6: so that's a very very important part of this kind

1220
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 6: of dialogue because people are very serious about what they

1221
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 6: believe and why they, believe IT and i have a

1222
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 6: lot of energy and emotion tied. Into that so we're

1223
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 6: not trying to take away with what. Anybody believes i'll

1224
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 6: give you another quick example of how it kind of

1225
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 6: became clear, from Me.

1226
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 11: Brother carl in.

1227
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 6: My early walk As, A christian i was told to

1228
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 6: Read The, new testament and so THAT'S what. I did,

1229
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 6: LATER on i started Reading The, old TESTAMENT and i

1230
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 6: discovered that much of what's being said In The new

1231
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 6: testament is really Quoting The. Old testament so a lot

1232
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 6: of saying a lot of things, that yes You're or

1233
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 6: jesus says In The, new testament he's actually Quoting The.

1234
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 6: Old testament so to fully Understand The, new testament you

1235
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 6: have to Understand The. OLD testament i would add. To

1236
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 6: that to fully Understand the Old And, new testament you

1237
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,959
Speaker 6: have to Understand The. Original testament And The original testament

1238
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 6: is The ancient african sacred text that came Out. Of

1239
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 6: kimmen and so once people see, that table that comparative

1240
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 6: TABLE that i had in, the book it begins to

1241
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 6: make things very.

1242
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 10: Very clear, Got you we.

1243
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 1: Got some folks want to talk, to You doctor tka

1244
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: at twenty eight minutes away from the top of the

1245
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: other's thought with, online seven it's just That for himans

1246
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: there Calling, FROM, Washington Dc Grand rising system.

1247
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 12: For he, good Morning, mister nelson and thank you for taking.

1248
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 12: My calling greetings to. Your guests can you?

1249
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 6: Hear?

1250
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 12: Me, Yes, YES well I first i wanted to send

1251
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 12: my condolences To doctor. FINCH'S family i had the opportunity

1252
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 12: in nineteen ninety six to be at that historic Conference

1253
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 12: In Saint helen's Allen And. PENN center i was a

1254
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 12: Student At howard university at, the TIME and i traveled

1255
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 12: With The First. World Alliance Doctor John henry clark, was

1256
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 12: There And mama Fa tou Sec from senegal, was there

1257
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 12: and There Were native american traditional practitioners as well as

1258
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 12: those who practiced the tradition. Of wood and the whole

1259
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 12: point was to participate in a spiritual ceremony to bring

1260
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 12: us closer to our back to. Our CULTURE and i

1261
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 12: think that that has in fact. Been achieved you Had

1262
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 12: the year Of. The Return Many african americans and those

1263
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 12: from the diaspora have been getting Citizenship in ghana and,

1264
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 12: other PLACES and i just it was a. Historic event

1265
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 12: i'm very HAPPY that i had the opportunity to participate

1266
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 12: in this very important Trip To Saint helen's island SPEARHEADED

1267
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 12: by Uh doctor finch and made his spirit rest and

1268
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 12: eternal peace for a job. Well DONE and i thank

1269
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 12: you very much for continuing the work that he so. Greatly, Did.

1270
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 6: Amen and i'll say to, that sister thank you so much, for,

1271
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 6: sharing yes that traditional healing ceremony that that he Convened

1272
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 6: At Saint, Helena Island South south carolina is so very

1273
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 6: very important Bringing over senegalese, traditional healers and just the

1274
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 6: fact that you were open and receptive enough and sourceful

1275
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 6: enough to go there and to be there and to.

1276
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 6: Experience it this too is very very important from the

1277
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 6: standpoint that you were open and receptive to. Receive it

1278
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:17,440
Speaker 6: in some, religious traditions they would see that as ungodly

1279
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 6: or unchristian and different things of. That nature so one

1280
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 6: of the things that we found through the study is

1281
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 6: that many of our people have turned a blind eye

1282
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 6: to the very things that will heal us and make

1283
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 6: us whole because we, were told and we were taught

1284
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 6: that we, were pagans were polytheistic with ungodly and barbaric,

1285
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 6: and uncivilized not realizing that the very people who told

1286
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 6: us this were the real ones who, were, ungodly, pagan

1287
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 6: polytheistic uncivilized. And, barbaric well.

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01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 12: You know it's many of those that Practiced the eurocentric

1289
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 12: part of spirituality and religion and. The press, my grandmother

1290
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 12: because my family Are, From Charleston, south carolina we would

1291
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 12: Go to GEECHEE and i had honest that often travel

1292
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 12: to south of, the border south of, the BORDER so

1293
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 12: I decided i wanted to go to south of the

1294
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 12: Border When first world was having. This trip but my

1295
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 12: grandmother was a minister In The. AMI church i grew

1296
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 12: Up In Trinity amy church And writeing harlem across the

1297
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,799
Speaker 12: street from the back of the apologis we would. Characterize

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01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 12: it and my grandfather was a bishop In The aemi

1299
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 12: church And at trinity later, on Today Mother dorothy williams

1300
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 12: would do would have. Spiritual ceremonies and there are those

1301
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 12: of us that attend like In the caribbean At The Shango,

1302
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 12: baptist church so they synchronism didn't just take Place. In

1303
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 12: brazil there are many folks that come out of the,

1304
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,879
Speaker 12: praise houses which is very much a Factor, In Charleston.

1305
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 12: South carolina they're Practicing traditional african religion and combining It.

1306
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 12: With christianity so only those that are doing the high

1307
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 12: church stuff from a euro centry perspective don't understand the

1308
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 12: connection between The traditional. African SPIRITUALITY and i had no

1309
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 12: apprehension because THAT'S how i grew UP and i later

1310
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 12: Joined a pentecostal church, refuge temple and It's the african

1311
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 12: spirit rather people recognize it.

1312
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 9: Or not.

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: A holy Response there DOCTOR tch k because we step

1314
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: aside and get caught up in the lady news trafficking

1315
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: weather at. DIFFERENT stations i Think It's sister fahemi for

1316
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: your Comment and i'll let doctor Chi q akua respond

1317
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 1: when we.

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 3: Get.

1319
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 1: Back family you two can get in on this conversation

1320
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: with our guests to reach out to us at eight

1321
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 1: hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy six and

1322
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: we take all your phone calls after we check the

1323
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: traffic weather. Aven us this's next and grind. Rising family

1324
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: thanks for Starting your tuesday with us at sixteen minutes

1325
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: away from the top of the out of, Our guest

1326
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: professor doctor Chi. K akua we're Discussing the african origin.

1327
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 1: Of faith what are? You thoughts eight hundred and four

1328
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six will get you

1329
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: in before we go back to him and then respond

1330
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: to the, Last Call sister. Forma's call let me just.

1331
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: Remind you coming up late, this morning we're going to

1332
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: speak with the founder Of The black Lawyers. For justice

1333
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: there Will be Attorney Ma, leak shabaz and later in

1334
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: this week you're going to Hear From Contracosta COLLEGE professor

1335
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: a Menu im pin also At the Flip That stock

1336
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be. With US. J r fenwick and

1337
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: afrocology professor Out Of, temple University Dodtr no dove will.

1338
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: Be here, an Economist Doctor JULIANNE malvaux mit, trained economists

1339
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: one of the best in, the business will also. Join

1340
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: us so if you Are, IN baltimore i make sure

1341
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: you keep you radio locked in tight on TEN ten

1342
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 1: wlb or if you are IN THE, dmv era we'reund FOURTEEN.

1343
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 1: Fifty wol, all right DOCTOR T, Kr coole i'll let

1344
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: you Respond to sister fahimas the last question.

1345
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 6: Or, COMMENT yeah i Really Appreciated sister forhema's remarks and

1346
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 6: one of the things that she demonstrated is that in

1347
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 6: our way of worship there Are many african. Cultural retention

1348
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,840
Speaker 6: so she talked about how members of her family we're

1349
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 6: still engaged in cultural expressions of. Their faith and so

1350
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 6: whether we're talking about, the calling the way calling response

1351
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 6: is done while a preacher, is preaching whether we're talking

1352
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 6: about the laying on of hands and healing services and

1353
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 6: the way that we pray in different things of, that

1354
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 6: nature our culture is embedded in that and so it's

1355
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 6: very very important to see that from what it is when,

1356
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 6: it happens and so she demonstrated that very thoroughly with

1357
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 6: some of. Her remarks and that's one of the THINGS

1358
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 6: that i hope more and more people will See the

1359
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 6: african cultural retentions that. We have and it's easily seen

1360
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 6: when you go to a black church and then go

1361
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,560
Speaker 6: to a non. Black church but these things sometimes we

1362
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 6: have to point it out to our people so that

1363
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 6: they can see it and understand it a little.

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01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: Bit better got You fortune away From, the top Calling

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: from connecticut and, Online Wine grand Rise, and cliff your

1366
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: question For, doctor Ko.

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01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 3: My grandmather And.

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01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 13: Brother kyle this subject is so interesting to Me because

1369
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 13: i'm trying to get a. Better, understanding so so to, your,

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01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 13: guess doctor would you say that we as black people

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01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 13: are serving The same god as? Our oppressor, for EXAMPLE

1372
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 13: when i give you a perfect example, right now we

1373
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 13: know we understand and see the Existence, of trump and

1374
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 13: from a, religious Standpoint white, christian nationalists you Know what

1375
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 13: god do?

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01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 4: They serve?

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01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 13: You know and then we as a people being oppressed

1378
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 13: and still being even more, oppressed now, you know so

1379
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 13: are we serving The? Same god are there more than.

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01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:41,480
Speaker 4: One GODS.

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01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 6: Might i have an easy answer to, that question and

1382
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 6: the answer, is no we are not saving Serving the

1383
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 6: thames all hopefully unless you're involved in a. Slave religion

1384
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 6: that's why in, My book After the Origins Of, our

1385
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 6: faith we have a Chapter entitled twisted Teach the Science

1386
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:07,879
Speaker 6: of Deception and, Distortion Again twisted Teachings the Science of Deception,

1387
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 6: and distortion and IN it i talk about the strange Case.

1388
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 6: Of jacobiscipitien jacobiscuptn was Born in ghana or about at

1389
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 6: that time in the, seventeen hundreds it was Called The,

1390
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 6: gold coast And a dutch trader purchased him and noticed

1391
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 6: that he was. Very bright he got into a conversation

1392
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 6: with him and with another white man, and said This

1393
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 6: young african boy is just as bright as any, white

1394
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 6: Child and i'm going to prove it by sending him

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01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 6: to The finest european.

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01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 10: Schools possible and that's what.

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01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 6: He did so he sent This young african boy to

1398
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 6: all of the finest Schools, of europe to the point

1399
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 6: where he earned the equivalent of what today we would call.

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01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 6: A doctorate before his, doctoral dissertation he Had this african

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01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 6: man do his dissertation on a defense, of slavery so

1402
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 6: that lets you know just how deep the, indoctrination is

1403
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 6: especially for those of us that are in, the ACADEMY

1404
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 6: and i like to teach my doctoral students that story

1405
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 6: to let them know not to fall into that. Same

1406
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 6: track but going back to your, original, question no we

1407
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 6: are not serving The same god and those that are

1408
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 6: that are. PERPETRATING this i forgot what you, called It

1409
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:37,759
Speaker 6: conservative christian or whatever. That is it's just it's basically

1410
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 6: white supremacy ideology masquerading as religion. And spirituality i'm gonna say.

1411
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 6: That again It's white christian nationalism is white supremacy ideology

1412
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 6: masquerading as religion. And spirituality they have always used their

1413
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 6: religion as a tool, of oppression and that's where it

1414
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 6: becomes very problematic. For us The Great south african Freedom

1415
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 6: Fighter stephen, beko said the greatest weapon in the hands

1416
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 6: of the oppressor is the minds of. The oppressed and

1417
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 6: for those that do Use the bible as their, SPIRITUAL

1418
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 6: book i want to remind Them of proverbs, chapter three verse,

1419
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 6: thirty one which says envy not bow, the oppressor and

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01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 6: choose none of. His, ways again envy not, the oppressor

1421
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 6: and choose none of.

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01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 4: His ways so we have to make a.

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01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 6: Clear distinction of who and what we worship that is

1424
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 6: distinct and different from what the oppressor. Is worshiping so

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01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 6: thank you for.

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01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 5: That.

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01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: Question brother, all right ten away from, The topic let's

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01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: go the. Line Four Brother ross jilma was checking In,

1429
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: From Buffalo. Grand Rising brother ross jillmoy your question for

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01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: dot org.

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01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 14: Co out glorizing peace and thank you for the PRESENTATION

1432
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 14: that i can't wait to get your books and compare

1433
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 14: the tables. The conversation it's very interesting going on With

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01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 14: The Senegaluese west bakland culture And the eastern culture of,

1435
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 14: quick question can you talk about the importance of taking

1436
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 14: a look at the Ancient cometic, egyptian text the importance

1437
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 14: of Reading, the bible whether You're Reading king james or

1438
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 14: being able to go back To, the hebrew and then

1439
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 14: looking at the living History of Ethiopia as ethiopia has

1440
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 14: been a witness before the comedic and Even post christian

1441
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 14: and throughout, our eras and how that culture and history

1442
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 14: is actually a living version of what, we're reading what

1443
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 14: we're looking, to see what has. Already happened and then

1444
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 14: you know the part two us making a comparative study

1445
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 14: of the hair, and market the Line, of judah and

1446
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 14: How Important holly selassie is the show us that all

1447
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 14: of that history.

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01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 3: Is ours it's a.

1449
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 14: COMPLEX question i think you.

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01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 9: Got it.

1451
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 15: Appreciate.

1452
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 16: TRUST you i trust.

1453
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 6: You well you said you can't wait to read. The

1454
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 6: book so for those that are interested in getting, the

1455
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 6: book you can go to reading revolution dot, org again

1456
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 6: that's reading revolution dot org and click on books By

1457
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 6: doctor kua again reading revolution dot org and click on

1458
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 6: books By. Doctor kuah for those that want tottend the Webinar,

1459
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 6: this saturday it's a. Free webinar Just text faith OF

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01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 6: a I. T h text that to seven seven oh

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01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 6: three zero nine six six sixty four and we will

1462
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 6: send you back in return the link to register for the,

1463
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 6: webinar Again text faith to seven seven oh three zero

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01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 6: nine sixty six. Sixty four so thank you for, your. Question,

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01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 6: brother yes, the books the ancient comedic BOOKS that i

1466
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 6: reviewed that Predate the biblical script Are the Book of Rising,

1467
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 6: and transformation which is commonly Called the pyramid. TEXTS okay

1468
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 6: i also Reviewed the Book, of vindication which is commonly

1469
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 6: Called the. Coffin texts and THEN lastly i Reviewed the

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01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 6: Book of coming Forth, by day which is commonly and

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01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 6: mistakenly Called.

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01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 11: The book Of.

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01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 6: The dead these ancient sacred texts paint a very very,

1474
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 6: clear picture and once you, review them you will see

1475
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 6: what later shows up In the bible over a thousand. Years,

1476
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 6: later okay for anybody who actually read these text that's very. Very,

1477
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 6: clear SO like i said in, MY book i took

1478
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 6: fifty five examples from those three BOOKS and i put

1479
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 6: them alongside the fifty. Five SCRIPTURES but, i LITERALLY and

1480
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 6: i can't stress, THIS enough i literally could have taken a,

1481
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 6: thousand EXAMPLES but i wanted to keep the book relatively

1482
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 6: thin and readable. For people so one of the things

1483
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 6: that's very very important to understand anytime we talk About

1484
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 6: ancient kimate Or. Ancient egypt.

1485
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 3: AS.

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01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 6: DOCTOR. A s hillier, taught us The Entire nile Valley

1487
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:20,679
Speaker 6: of africa was. High, tech okay so You, Had, kimmitt

1488
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 6: Nubia and cush what Today, Is, Egypt, Sudan egypt Sudan. And,

1489
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 6: ethiopia okay what Makes kimm It significant since all of

1490
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 6: the entire non valley empires were high tech and. Deeply

1491
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:42,440
Speaker 6: spiritual Is that kimmit did the best job of preserving

1492
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 6: that knowledge through, their writings through, their monuments through the

1493
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 6: inscriptions on the, temple walls and different things of. That Nature.

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01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 15: So, kimmit.

1495
01:27:55,439 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 6: So, For Example george massi Says that africa is, the

1496
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 6: Birthplace but egypt is. The mouthpiece kimmit is. The, mouthpiece

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01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 6: However kimm it couldn't be the mouthpiece were it Not,

1498
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 6: for ethiopia which in ancient times Is called Kush and

1499
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 6: nubia Present. Day sudan very very important that we understand

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01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 6: how Critical these african origins are as a matter.

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01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 9: Of fact.

1502
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 6: And this is why the lens with which we Read

1503
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 6: the bible is so very. Very important because when you

1504
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 6: look in the second Chapter, of genesis, it said and

1505
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 6: a river went Out of eden to water. The garden

1506
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 6: the name of the first River. Is, pishan well that

1507
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 6: might not mean much to people until you realize That

1508
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 6: the pishan is Really The White. Nile river it's one

1509
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 6: of the tributaries Of The, nile river which of course

1510
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 6: is the longest river in the world and runs through Chemic.

1511
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 6: Or egypt the name of the second River. Is, Gihan

1512
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 6: again giehan doesn't mean much until you realize that it's

1513
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 6: referring To The, blue nile another tributary Of. The nile

1514
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 6: and then it says the same as that which compasses

1515
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 6: the whole Land. Of ethiopia So the biblical scriptures in

1516
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 6: and of themselves situate us and start Us. In africa this,

1517
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 6: is very very different than the PICTURES that i saw

1518
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 6: in The children's bible that my grandmother sent ME when

1519
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 6: i was six. Years OLD and i loved, my GRANDMOTHER

1520
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 6: and i give thanks and poor livation for. My grandmother

1521
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 6: that's what she had at, that time and that's what she,

1522
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 6: passed on that was what. She knew and she said

1523
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 6: she taught us that no person is educated until they Know.

1524
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 6: The bible AND so i took. That seriously AND when

1525
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 6: i started digging Into, the bible it took me back to.

1526
01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 6: The motherland and so it's very very important that we

1527
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 6: do our. Due diligence and here Again the bible says

1528
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 6: study to show. Thyself, approved right a lot of times

1529
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 6: we're not doing. ENOUGH study i can tell that you,

1530
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 6: have brother the brother that just. Called in but we

1531
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:19,560
Speaker 6: really need to help our people to see themselves in

1532
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 6: the text that, they're reading and to critically examine. Those

1533
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 6: texts don't just accept them as, space value but to

1534
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 6: See what spirit is saying to us uniquely as a

1535
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 6: people in these times that we're.

1536
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: LIVING in i think that's deep what you. Just Said

1537
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: and i'll tell. You what we got to step aside

1538
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: and get caught up with the traffic and the news

1539
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: in some of. Different cities so when we, come back

1540
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: why don't you repeat that for. The family and Then

1541
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: also Gene in pikesville has a question for, you family just.

1542
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: Checking in our guess is. Doctor T k akua you

1543
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 1: got a question? About, religion, yes man you need to

1544
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: talk to you right now and you can reach them

1545
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six

1546
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone Calls next, grandizing family thanks

1547
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: for sticking. With us Sound this tuesday morning with our.

1548
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: GUEST teaches uh teachers Work about african origins of our

1549
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: faith and this is his latest book is part one

1550
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: and part two and moment tell by, the way we're

1551
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 1: going to Speak With Attorney, malik shabaz but let's wrap

1552
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 1: up with. The doctor so doctor co ill let you

1553
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: can you repeat what you said before we left for

1554
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: the traffic update first Before and gene has a question.

1555
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 10: For you oh.

1556
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 6: My goodness there was so much that, was shared but

1557
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 6: basically we had we need a new orientation and we

1558
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:36,799
Speaker 6: need to be looking at the scriptures through, new eyes

1559
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 6: and that is the eye through. ANCESTRAL eyes i cited

1560
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 6: some different aspects of the biblical scriptures that that center

1561
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 6: Us in Africa from genesis that a lot of us

1562
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 6: weren't taught based on picture books and things that we've

1563
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 6: seen in, the past and so, it's very very important

1564
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 6: that we Look through african eyes at whatever. We're seeing

1565
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 6: we're not intended to abandon Who The most high created

1566
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 6: us to be to fit into someone else's narrow conception

1567
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 6: of the.

1568
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: Thought. Right there do you think that's a problem people

1569
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: have a problem with seeing It through? African eyes do

1570
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: you think that's what? IT is i don't want to,

1571
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: a Doctor and kuroshidi said there were some of us

1572
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: who don't want to Be called african honesty Anything. About

1573
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: africa is that going to be, an issue especially when

1574
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: it comes.

1575
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 6: To religion it's a serious problem, because again we were

1576
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 6: taught that All things african were, either, pagan, polytheistic barbaric

1577
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 6: or uncivilized. Or heathen and we didn't realize that the

1578
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 6: people that were telling us this, were, pagan, polytheistic uncivilized.

1579
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 6: And barbaric and so this is why it's so important

1580
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 6: that we see through our, own eyes. Veryally important, and

1581
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 6: again for those that are interested in joining us for

1582
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 6: the Webinar, this saturday you can text the word faith

1583
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 6: fai ta to seven seven oh three zero nine six

1584
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:08,080
Speaker 6: six six four again seven seven oh three zero nine

1585
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 6: six six sixty four and we'll send you the links

1586
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 6: so you can register for the. Free webinar for those

1587
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 6: that want, the book you can go to reading revolution. Dot,

1588
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 6: org again that's reading revolution dot org and click on

1589
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 6: books By, doctor kua, scroll Down And The african Origins

1590
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 6: Of our faith is the last.

1591
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 4: Book there, ALL right.

1592
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: I Mentioned that jane's been holding From pink seal has

1593
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: a question for you real quickies online three grand rising

1594
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:37,759
Speaker 1: genial question for a doctor, A, court.

1595
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, grant yeah grand. Writing, gentlemen yeah my question is

1596
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,680
Speaker 11: a reference to st you know of what is it,

1597
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 11: called cannon church cannon or? Religious cannon not the weapon of,

1598
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 11: mass destruction but the, you know the the idea that

1599
01:33:55,080 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 11: there are certain doctrines that are used to. Control people

1600
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 11: so are you are, you, saying sir Or that kimmid

1601
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:07,719
Speaker 11: was devoid of of canon? And Control and i'm speaking

1602
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 11: strictly from a, historical Point and i'm comparing, and contrasting, You,

1603
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 11: KNOW christianity I guess islam blah. Blah blah. You know

1604
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 11: so that's basically WHAT what i would like to know

1605
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 11: canon with that uh Part of.

1606
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 17: So.

1607
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 6: IT'S interesting i just want to mention that it's Interesting

1608
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 6: that europeans use the word canon uh to talk about

1609
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 6: the texts that they agreed were spiritually, inspired texts but as,

1610
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 6: you said actually ended up being weapons of mass Destruction

1611
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,560
Speaker 6: the ofrican people and people of color all over. The

1612
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 6: world so when you talk, about canon that's more Of

1613
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 6: a european construct. Or idea but there were a number

1614
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 6: of sacred texts In ancient kenmid that were that were

1615
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 6: agreed upon to be. Sacred texts we just have to

1616
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:05,440
Speaker 6: be very very careful in our comparisons To what europeans

1617
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 6: did with what they regarded as. Sacred texts i'm reminding

1618
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 6: the Words Of, jomo kenyata Or the President, of kenya

1619
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 6: who said When the, Europeans came when the, missionaries came

1620
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 6: they Had the bible and we had. The land they

1621
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 6: taught us to pray with our, eyes closed and when

1622
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,639
Speaker 6: we opened, our eyes we Had the bible and they had.

1623
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 10: The land i'm.

1624
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 6: Gonna say that AGAIN because i want to make sure

1625
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 6: that people. Got this So when kenyada Said, in kenya

1626
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 6: When the european, missionaries came that they Had the bible

1627
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 6: and we had. The land they taught us to pray

1628
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 6: with our. Eyes closed when we opened, our eyes we

1629
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 6: Had the bible and they had. The land so we

1630
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 6: have to recognize how religion has been used as a

1631
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 6: tool of suppression and white. Supremacy ideology that doesn't mean

1632
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 6: throw Away. The bible that means go back to the

1633
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 6: origins of it to find out who wrote it and

1634
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 6: what in it belongs. To us and a great deal

1635
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 6: of it does belong. To us so these are some

1636
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 6: of the things that we need to be made, aware

1637
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 6: of otherwise we continue to serve other people's interests rather

1638
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:28,799
Speaker 6: than the most highs interest.

1639
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 4: In us.

1640
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: Ah shay to that that sums. It up thank you

1641
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: doctor again for the folks who want to. Join you

1642
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: this weekend for. The webinar how do they?

1643
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 4: Do, it.

1644
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 6: Yes they can simply text faith FAI t h to

1645
01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 6: seven seven h three zero nine six'. Six sixty four

1646
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 6: again text FAITH fai t h to seven seven zero

1647
01:36:56,040 --> 01:37:00,040
Speaker 6: three zero nine six.' six, sixty four in return we

1648
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 6: will send you the link to register FOR the Free.

1649
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 6: Webinar uh this saturday It's at. Two pm eastern time,

1650
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 6: and in that webinar, we'll be showing visuals we'll be,

1651
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 6: taking questions and answers but we'll lay it out very

1652
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 6: very clear. For everyone to understand and even though, this

1653
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 6: is part two don't worry if. You miss part one

1654
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 6: we can make. That available to you but you will

1655
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 6: certainly be able to pick up and understand where we

1656
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 6: start and. Where we leave off and.

1657
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 1: So, let, me just reiterate, yeah let me before. Let

1658
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: me just reiterate we're not trying to tell you, to abandon,

1659
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: your religion your. Faith whatever it is if, it, works

1660
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: for you fine but. Have an open mind just. Have

1661
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: AN open mind when i said you're, a teach to

1662
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: wife we're not going to call you. Names and all that,

1663
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 1: we're not, trying to you know say what you believe

1664
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: is A Junk Or go dr walter williams more aggressively

1665
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: describing it because all. Religions are man made some people

1666
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: don't even understand That what doctor what. Tony browt, it

1667
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 1: does if, you by the way if you get a

1668
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: chance to go To come up With Tony, brad or ashua.

1669
01:38:05,320 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: Quasi please do so because all of these things that

1670
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 1: You see in The, bible predate the bible. Predate the

1671
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 1: printing pressent they're already. There on the walls but until

1672
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 1: you see, you're, kind of like ah did? They really

1673
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: you know because so, and so said it and, so

1674
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: and so Right, so wrote the, bible and my mom

1675
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 1: my Grandma they had The, bible or THE quran and

1676
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: so i believe that until. You see other evidence so

1677
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: we're not trying. To convert, anybody here if again if your,

1678
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 1: religion works for. You stay with it, closing, thoughts that

1679
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 1: court yeah you have to.

1680
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 6: See IT for yourself so i definitely, encourage if you

1681
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 6: Can To go on Tony. Browder's Trip, to egypt asha

1682
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 6: quezy we Need a trip to egypt as well if

1683
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 6: you want to, learn more about that and go To

1684
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 6: travel with doctor acua dot com and Then. Travel with

1685
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 6: doctor ACUA that's d R a k. U a, dot

1686
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 6: com but yeah we're not trying so much. To convince

1687
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 6: or convert we're trying to expose people to information that

1688
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:05,560
Speaker 6: has been, intentionally kept from them and you can do with.

1689
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 6: It what you will so and also we share, this

1690
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 6: information and love not to beat people over, the head

1691
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 6: with it, not to weaponize it not to make people

1692
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 6: feel bad about. What they don't know we share it

1693
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 6: and love so that you can then take that, and

1694
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 6: if you choose integrate it into into. Your own spiritual

1695
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 6: practices But Bear in mind frederick douglas said knowledge makes

1696
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 6: a person unfit. To be a slave and if you

1697
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 6: know the history of what was done to, us as

1698
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 6: a people you know that our spiritual nature, was weaponized

1699
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 6: against us and religion, was weaponized against us and so

1700
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:51,560
Speaker 6: we have to be wise in dealing with those that

1701
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 6: we're dealing with today in our quest. For liberation, and sovereignty.

1702
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Well Said, Thank you doctor coo thank you for the

1703
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: work that You do as real thanks give a sharing

1704
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: your thoughts.

1705
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 6: For us this morning absolutely Thank you By the.

1706
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 4: Carl all right family.

1707
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: Let's move on now. To our next guest he is

1708
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 1: The Founder of The Black laws For justice Attorney the

1709
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: Leakshabaz Brother, malik he grand rising welcome. Back to the

1710
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: program thanks for being so patient.

1711
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 4: With us playing rioting can you hear me sure sure we,

1712
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 4: Can get good Morning good morning grand rising to you

1713
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 4: and to.

1714
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: All, of, the listening yes sir, help us out here

1715
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: because we're, Watching these ice raids. We're watching, the police,

1716
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: we well, you know our family we used to it

1717
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 1: about police stopping. Us all the time so for some

1718
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: of these folks, who uh you know it's new for

1719
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: them and actually, knocking on their door snatching, them from

1720
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: the streets going to the schools and doing. All kinds

1721
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: of roundups, as as an attorney what what? Rights do they?

1722
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 1: Have do they have what rights? Do we have too

1723
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: if you could break, it down to us because many

1724
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 1: of us we cant stop. By the, POLICE alder in

1725
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: fact i don't know any BLACK person who has i

1726
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: mean any black male should, put it that way black

1727
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 1: man that has not been stopped by the police at

1728
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: one time the especially. With a TRAFFIC situation so everybody

1729
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: i know understands, what we're discussing now but we want

1730
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: to know what Our Rights, Are attorning malik shabaz so.

1731
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,280
Speaker 1: Help us out here let's start FOR us with. An

1732
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: ice stage incidents do they have the same. Rights, as

1733
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:19,440
Speaker 1: police officers.

1734
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 4: No they don't. Ice immigration custom enforcement their authority is

1735
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 4: limited to an ENFORCING actions. Against nine us citizens they're

1736
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 4: not supposed to CONDUCT any. Actions against us citizens and

1737
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 4: they have a standard of reasonable suspicion if if they

1738
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 4: are going to detain somebody and suspect them OF not,

1739
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 4: being a us citizen they have they have a standard

1740
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:55,839
Speaker 4: and if, they violate that standard they will be. Guilty

1741
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 4: of violating them they can be sued Apart Me Under The,

1742
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 4: federal towards claims act and they can Be Sued for violating.

1743
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 4: Fourth amendment unlawful seizure and this is a lot of what's.

1744
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 4: Going on Right Now and when donald TRUMP sends us

1745
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:16,600
Speaker 4: his ice, troops into different communities and what's happening is

1746
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 4: they're getting into conflicts WHERE they are detaining us citizens

1747
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:27,480
Speaker 4: and CLAIMING that they're not us citizens or conducting other

1748
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 4: actions that. Are upsetting the population and, then, you have

1749
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:36,639
Speaker 4: protests backlash, you have the shootings. And it's, a mess

1750
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:39,799
Speaker 4: and no they don't. Have The Same rights and donald

1751
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 4: trump is sticking them into communities and attempting to give,

1752
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 4: them Ice And separately the national guard give them the

1753
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 4: same POLICE powers. As regular us police, and that's not

1754
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 4: right and that's what the, conflict is all about and

1755
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,440
Speaker 4: that's what's going on. In the court system.

1756
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: His ADMISSION says that these ice. Agents have total immunity,

1757
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:06,600
Speaker 1: can they, just say, you know just say proclaim that.

1758
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 1: They have totally immunity Is this something that? Congress has

1759
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 1: to pass?

1760
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 4: How, does that work well they really. Don't have, total

1761
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:18,639
Speaker 4: immunity once. Again there's limited circumstances. They can be sued

1762
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 4: it's not just as simply easy as suing a police

1763
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 4: officer who acts under, the color of law WHICH. Is a,

1764
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 4: federal usc forty. Two nineteen eighty three it's, not quite

1765
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 4: that easy but it Is Possible under a Supreme. Court,

1766
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 4: Ruler called bivins well bivins allows the individual officers operating

1767
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 4: under federal government. Employees to be sued so it's they're,

1768
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 4: not immune from. Suit but they can. They have great protections,

1769
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 4: put it like this. They have, great protections but yes.

1770
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:58,799
Speaker 4: The answer is Yes If you're a united states citizen

1771
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 4: and you, should approach by ice you should immediately proclaim

1772
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 4: REPEATEDLY that. You are us citizen that's the first thing

1773
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 4: you want to do is to repeatedly assert THAT you

1774
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 4: are a us citizen and. They must release you if

1775
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 4: they don't release you after KNOWING that you're a us

1776
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 4: citizen and at some point later it comes, back that

1777
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:25,920
Speaker 4: you are then you. Can, sue for damages uh there's no,

1778
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 4: walk in, the park but yes you. Can sue for

1779
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 4: damages and they're not allowed to conduct other other local

1780
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:37,520
Speaker 4: law enforcement actions such as arresting. Demonstrators and so forth.

1781
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 1: It is the same thing. Works for local police they

1782
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: have to have a reasonal suspicion that something went wrong.

1783
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 1: Or they did something they can just actually just, stop,

1784
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 1: you and say well we thought you look suspicious or

1785
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: that reasonable. Doubt that REASONAL suspicion can you i want

1786
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 1: you to clear that, up for us, too because you

1787
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 1: know sometimes we get stopped by the police and they

1788
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:02,600
Speaker 1: just feel like, it to some people it's like harassment your.

1789
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 1: Driver size and insurance but do you have, the right

1790
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 1: to say why? Are you stopping me how do you

1791
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: know all these vehicles ON the street that i may

1792
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: not have a driver's license, on my driver's size MAY

1793
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: be suspended or. I don't have insurance. Explain that for us,

1794
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: when we get back we've got to, take a short

1795
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:18,560
Speaker 1: break and we've got some people who already want. To,

1796
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 1: TALK to you family i guess is The Founder of

1797
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 1: The black laws for justice And name is. Attorney elite shabas.

1798
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: Well he is Attorney His. Name is maliite shabaz you want,

1799
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: to speak to him reach out to us at eight

1800
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

1801
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: we'll take your Phone Calls next, and grand rising family

1802
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,000
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling With us on this tuesday morning With

1803
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 1: Our guest Attorning Elicite shabaz atturning malie shabazi is The

1804
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Founder of The. Black laws for justice before we, left

1805
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 1: for the break my question to him was the suspicion

1806
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 1: that police can just stop you AND we'll throw the

1807
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: ice agents, in there as well because they seem to be,

1808
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,639
Speaker 1: on the, same path you know looking at what happened

1809
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 1: To what's The Name they Killed. Rene good in minneapolis

1810
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: they said she POSED a, Threat to ice agents but?

1811
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: What about us too if you can decipher both of

1812
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 1: those that incident for, one and for, us as You

1813
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 1: know it's average americans just driving around and police have just,

1814
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: say they stopped you because what what do they have

1815
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: to give a reason? WHY they, stopped you i think

1816
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 1: can they, say they smell weed or your tail lights

1817
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 1: out or what sort of what, sort of you know reason?

1818
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: Could they give it this a plausible reason why they

1819
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 1: can just look at you down the street and, say

1820
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: they stop you other than. Saying, THAT you're, black.

1821
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 4: Well, i mean of, course if you're driving if, you're

1822
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 4: driving a vehicle you have to have there has, to

1823
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 4: be an articulable objective reason why they stop you in order,

1824
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 4: to stop your vehicle and then they can ask you.

1825
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 4: For your driver's license but you have to have. Committed

1826
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 4: a traffic violation that's their presumption that you have either

1827
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 4: that you have, committed a traffic violation then, they can

1828
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 4: stop you and you're supposed to have a driver's, license

1829
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 4: if you're driving and they CAN. ASK for your id

1830
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 4: i think what we want to just getting to the

1831
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 4: premise of it is what. Is not reasonable suspicion what's

1832
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 4: not reasonable suspicion is is your race. Or your skin color,

1833
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 4: just because you're black you can't be stopped and. Questioned

1834
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:17,599
Speaker 4: by the police you cannot just because Of, your language

1835
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 4: or george if You, happen to speak spanish you you say,

1836
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 4: you're A, black person you're dominican or If you're just.

1837
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:27,839
Speaker 4: A spanish speaking person you cannot be stopped and detained

1838
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 4: by police Just, because you speak spanish or just because

1839
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 4: you live in a so, called high crime area or just,

1840
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 4: because you lack identification just because you, appear to be

1841
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 4: nervous or just because you. Refuse, to answer questions okay

1842
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 4: so you can't be you can't be detained. By any

1843
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:50,720
Speaker 4: of these and the detainment is when you're when you're.

1844
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:57,720
Speaker 4: Not free to leave so so the first thing that

1845
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 4: a person should do is was when if you think

1846
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:02,799
Speaker 4: you're being, detained by the polices.

1847
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 18: You need to ask YOU need to?

1848
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 4: Am i being? Detained IS the question? Am i BEING

1849
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 4: detained and am? I free to leave those are the

1850
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 4: key questions, You WANT to ask? Am i BEING detained

1851
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 4: and am? I free to leave and they'll, be forced

1852
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 4: to answer and if they say, you're free to leave then.

1853
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:25,879
Speaker 4: You should walk, off other than that a police officer,

1854
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 4: they can detain you but they're subject to the limits

1855
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 4: that are Described in the Famous supreme. Court, case terry

1856
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 4: va ohio which. Gives You the. Boundaries, that's terry v

1857
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:43,959
Speaker 4: ohio famous, nineteen sixty eight case which allows a limited

1858
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 4: questioning and a limited pat down search of, person that

1859
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 4: police detain and even other cases give a limited time

1860
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 4: basically if a police officer suspects you and has articulable

1861
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 4: facts such as a store was robbed down the street

1862
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 4: by by a black mail tween ages twenty five and thirty,

1863
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 4: round six feet tall and if, you meet that description

1864
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 4: you might be. Questioned by the police, two but you know,

1865
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 4: but if you don't let me jump.

1866
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 1: In, and Ask you yeah but i'm me jump, and.

1867
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,640
Speaker 1: Ask this question council so do you have the? Right

1868
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 1: to say why why? Did you stop me? Can you

1869
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 1: ask them do they have the right to tell you?

1870
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: Why they stopped you and then then FOLLOW up with?

1871
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 1: Am i being detained is?

1872
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 4: That how?

1873
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: It works should be the first question be why? Did

1874
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:41,959
Speaker 1: you stop me can? You ask that question.

1875
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,559
Speaker 4: You, can ask that question but we don't know if

1876
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 4: you're going. To get an answer the most most thing

1877
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 4: most videos we see a person's either in a vehicle

1878
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 4: or or being, stopped by the police but mainly in

1879
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 4: vehicles is a is a tie up as a argument

1880
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 4: over why? Did you stop me in a debate over why,

1881
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 4: The person was stopped you don't have to say, anything

1882
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 4: to the police but they don't have to give you an.

1883
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 4: Answer on that question but if they do continue to

1884
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 4: either stop or detain you, and they're not right that's

1885
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:24,639
Speaker 4: when that's when what's called Legal Violations or your, fourth

1886
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 4: amendment rights begin and damages that damages can be added

1887
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 4: up from the moment that you are. THAT you are

1888
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 4: detained i just Finished arguing Before the Court. Of appeals

1889
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 4: Last tuesday Court. Of appeals In Maryland it's a Fourth

1890
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 4: amendment Case Umar Ali versus prince george's county and and

1891
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 4: that case is all About The Right of prince george's

1892
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 4: county police To, detain mister umar ali to to continue

1893
01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 4: to detain him after he had shown clearly that he

1894
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 4: had a valid license or a presented part of me,

1895
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:12,320
Speaker 4: a valid gun permit and shown that he, had done

1896
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 4: nothing wrong. He committed no crime yet police continued to

1897
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:20,080
Speaker 4: cancuff and set, him on the curb took him off,

1898
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 4: in the police car took him way, away from the

1899
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 4: scene and some twenty minutes later he was finally Released with,

1900
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 4: them saying i'm sorry your, Gun permit was valid but

1901
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 4: for twenty minutes, they were chastising him telling, him he

1902
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:39,679
Speaker 4: wasn't working inferring, that his gun permit that his gun

1903
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 4: permit was only allowed him to. USE it, doing work

1904
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 4: i mean, they were just wrong and, continuing to detain him.

1905
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 4: They falsely Imprisoned him and so i'm hoping to make

1906
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 4: the least regional some. Regional legal president, here in that.

1907
01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 4: Case they're. Often wrong bottom line two police officers will

1908
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:04,599
Speaker 4: will will will take this as far as, they can

1909
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 4: take it both regular. Police officers and ice so so

1910
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 4: you have to. Start with two points you must. Stand up.

1911
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 4: For yourself you must if you're regular being, questioned by

1912
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,599
Speaker 4: the police you must you must ASK them either? Am

1913
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:23,600
Speaker 4: i BEING detained or am? I free to leave, and

1914
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 4: if they don't say you're being, detained and you. Can

1915
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 4: you can leave if, you are being detained you still don't,

1916
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 4: have to answer questions which is. Which is my recommendation

1917
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 4: you don't have to show ida and well in, twenty

1918
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 4: or thirty minutes they have to determine whether you're wanted

1919
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 4: for a crime.

1920
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 18: Or they have.

1921
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 4: To leave you alone they have to raise.

1922
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:45,240
Speaker 11: The, bas of you.

1923
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 1: Well let me jump in and. Ask you this QUESTION

1924
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 1: Back to the, pg county issue again attorneyment league and

1925
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: the person had. To rest your gun so do you

1926
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: the police stop you and you have a gun and

1927
01:52:57,640 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 1: you have a licensed, to carry the gun should you

1928
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:04,600
Speaker 1: tell the police if they, search and absolutely no.

1929
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 4: You should tell them you should tell them and, if

1930
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:10,280
Speaker 4: they find it they still you. Still have legal protections, but,

1931
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:14,639
Speaker 4: in this case uh my client when he would, stop,

1932
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:20,600
Speaker 4: for something else uh he would, stop for another issue. And,

1933
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:23,280
Speaker 4: he told him yes they asked, him, AND he said

1934
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 4: yes i have a legal. Gun and a permit and he,

1935
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 4: pulled out his permit, showed him to permit and and

1936
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,560
Speaker 4: told him whether, he had the weapon and and and

1937
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:35,719
Speaker 4: once they he told him where, he had the weapon.

1938
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:39,719
Speaker 4: Showed him to permit then the, immediately, they went about

1939
01:53:40,200 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 4: uh snatching him out of the car and. Putting him

1940
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 4: in handcuffs and the biggest part about it was they refused,

1941
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:50,960
Speaker 4: to read the permit and the permit says clearly on

1942
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 4: the permit call Says This Called The maryland gun control

1943
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:04,080
Speaker 4: center before or taking any. Action as law enforcements that

1944
01:54:04,240 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 4: really means before you, detain before you handcuffed, before you

1945
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 4: Do Anything Called the gun control center to ascertain whether. This,

1946
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:17,000
Speaker 4: permitted is valid well you know they, they didn't do that.

1947
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:20,640
Speaker 4: And he perfectly, complied so the Maargument Again before The,

1948
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,799
Speaker 4: maryland court of appeals was that that if every lawful

1949
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 4: gun owner In the state of maryland is subjected to

1950
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 4: be uh to just be randomly detained and thrown into

1951
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 4: a police car h until the police decide, to figure

1952
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:39,400
Speaker 4: it out and then this whole, state is in, trouble

1953
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 4: regardless to race regardless to. Who the person is if

1954
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 4: you if you're a law abiding citizen and you're, going

1955
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 4: to be cuffed, sat on the curve, throwing a police

1956
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 4: car and return to your dissheveled car uh some almost,

1957
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 4: a half hour later then we might as well. Throw

1958
01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:00,879
Speaker 4: out the constitution so so you do have and everybody

1959
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,360
Speaker 4: has to stand up right now and to stand up

1960
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 4: for their, rights against regular police against ice because. The

1961
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 4: situation is deteriorating.

1962
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes set, There top call fee you're, BACK To.

1963
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 4: That.

1964
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:18,800
Speaker 1: Situation pg county, uh if they adopt if they agree

1965
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:21,720
Speaker 1: with what your argument, is for your client then they're

1966
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 1: gonna have. To change the law so how? Do they

1967
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: do that they have to. Go to, the state let's

1968
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 1: say as it. Goes to the governor how does that

1969
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: work because the judge. Can't, make, the laws, uh well the,

1970
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,360
Speaker 1: well in this case it judge.

1971
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 4: Does make the law, and in this case if a judge,

1972
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 4: rules in this Case this is a this is narrowed

1973
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 4: down to whether a trial court can can prevent a

1974
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 4: jury from hearing a case when there's enough evidence or

1975
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 4: for a. Jury to hear IT so that's why. I

1976
01:55:51,680 --> 01:55:56,000
Speaker 4: anticipate winning this whether whether or not a trial court

1977
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 4: can can permit or dismiss a case. Where there's enough

1978
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 4: evidence that's where jury can decide and where a judge should.

1979
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 4: Not be stepping in and that's why you know we

1980
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 4: as civil and constitutional, or police brutality lawyers. We prefer

1981
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 4: federal court, we prefer federal court but sometimes you get

1982
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:21,720
Speaker 4: better juries. In a state court but what Happens is

1983
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:24,680
Speaker 4: If this court of appeals rules in your favor on that,

1984
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 4: matter or any matter it becomes it becomes a precedent

1985
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 4: that will affect other. Cases coming behind you other other,

1986
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 4: cases come behind you they will they will quote my

1987
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:42,600
Speaker 4: case or other cases or Cases Of my partner donald

1988
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:48,080
Speaker 4: temple and those presidents will help other. Civil cases be

1989
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 4: successful so this doesn't require a. Changing of the Law

1990
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 4: It Just requires mayor prince george's county police officers, to

1991
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 4: respect the role respect, the Rule of law specifically maryland four,

1992
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 4: To Two oh six maryland law four to two oh

1993
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:12,080
Speaker 4: six and four, to two oh three which protects lawful

1994
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 4: gun owners from random searches and. Being suspected of crimes

1995
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 4: it gives specific clear steps on, what you must do

1996
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 4: and they're just. Not abiding by, IT so to conclude

1997
01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 4: i think that my case is going to Being successful

1998
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 4: In the court of appeals Is Going to make maryland

1999
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 4: law four to two oh six and the Sub law

2000
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 4: under that maryland four. To two oh three it's going

2001
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:46,200
Speaker 4: to uh make those. Laws respected and enforceable they're not respecting,

2002
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:49,080
Speaker 4: it there right now but hopefully when this ruling comes

2003
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:53,200
Speaker 4: out and it's passed through the, police commander's police department other,

2004
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:57,640
Speaker 4: lawyers in the state and they're gonna know that if a,

2005
01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 4: person presents their identification, they present their part. They're lawful

2006
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:06,640
Speaker 4: gun permit you better get the calling and seeing whether

2007
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 4: it's lawful other than the not just presume. That person

2008
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:14,920
Speaker 4: or criminal so the judge, is rulings do matter.

2009
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 1: And if they're, rule in your favor can they? The police,

2010
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 1: department appeal if so who's in the union or the police,

2011
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 1: department or the city, or of the? State or who

2012
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: appeals if.

2013
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 4: They, can they can't appeal they can appeal to the

2014
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 4: they Can't Appeal. To THE supreme court. BUT i DOUBT

2015
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:34,520
Speaker 4: it i mean i doubt if they do it and

2016
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:38,600
Speaker 4: don't appeal that they're putting up the. Strongest of defenses

2017
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:41,880
Speaker 4: here it's. Strongest of defenses here we just. Have to

2018
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,160
Speaker 4: fight cases every lawyer out here is listening and knows,

2019
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 4: that all of us all of us fight. Certain cases

2020
01:58:48,520 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 4: on appeal and it's it's worth person's rights to, fight

2021
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:55,880
Speaker 4: cases on appeal Whether It's in The Fourth Circuit, OR

2022
01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:59,480
Speaker 4: Maryland supreme Court. Dc court of appeals that's what that's

2023
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 4: what we are attorneys do. And it's, worth it we,

2024
01:59:03,200 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 4: respect we respect judges but judges. Are not always right but,

2025
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:11,120
Speaker 4: when these were laws when they get it right at

2026
01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 4: The higher Levels, on court of appeals. It definitely means

2027
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,640
Speaker 4: something definitely means something. A matter of fact, as we

2028
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 4: get ready as we go On To. Talk, about donald

2029
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 4: trump here we're going to say that some of the,

2030
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:25,560
Speaker 4: few checks on him some of the few checks on

2031
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 4: a man that is, just conducting mayhem internationally some of

2032
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:34,520
Speaker 4: the few checks on him have been from the Federal Courts.

2033
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 4: Of the united states the federal court judges have been

2034
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:41,200
Speaker 4: some of the few barriers On This So. Called, king

2035
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 4: donald trump.

2036
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah we'll get to. That in the moment twenty six

2037
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:46,920
Speaker 1: away from the Top of the ol mark Is calling

2038
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:50,040
Speaker 1: this on baltimore asks, A Question For you grand rising

2039
01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 1: mark Your Question for Attorning, malik.

2040
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:55,640
Speaker 16: Shabos yesterd morning, gentlemen by the way hope everyone Had

2041
01:59:55,680 --> 01:59:57,120
Speaker 16: A meaningful one luther king holiday.

2042
01:59:57,120 --> 01:59:57,240
Speaker 4: Of the.

2043
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:01,400
Speaker 16: OTHERS yesterday thank you i Had a question concerning ice

2044
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 16: and the wearing a mask just last week at the

2045
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 16: opening Session Of The mel in General Assembly down in

2046
02:00:07,480 --> 02:00:10,440
Speaker 16: annapolis smelling THERE was a BILL i think it's hb

2047
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 16: one to deal with. The issue of mask are you

2048
02:00:13,920 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 16: familiar with that legislation and other states considering such LEGISLATION

2049
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 16: reaction to what ICE is doing and ice hiding their

2050
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:25,080
Speaker 16: identity when they're doing raids and Making such a rest

2051
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 16: what do you? Know about this legislation the, chances of

2052
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:30,120
Speaker 16: its passation what, it means, to. US thank you.

2053
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:39,000
Speaker 4: Okay i think these legislative, actions to curb ice such as,

2054
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:44,080
Speaker 4: the one you mentioned the build that will force them,

2055
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 4: to WEAR a mask and i mean, probably to, d

2056
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 4: mask to unmask, and to IDENTIFY themselves with. Which i

2057
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 4: agree with persons should be able, to identify the offices whether,

2058
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 4: there's state or federal or persons. WHO are, detaining him

2059
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 4: i mean that's critical to your rights and, to your

2060
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:05,960
Speaker 4: Legal action and so i'm glad. That they're doing that it's.

2061
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:12,440
Speaker 4: Happening in several states several states in combating the ice

2062
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:15,680
Speaker 4: excesses on the street are passing any number of laws to.

2063
02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:19,480
Speaker 4: Try to curb them and all of these laws they

2064
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:21,880
Speaker 4: will be Tied up With the department of justice and the.

2065
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:26,640
Speaker 4: Appeals and so forth so it's. NOT the only state

2066
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,000
Speaker 4: i think some of. Them may be successful they'll be.

2067
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:32,920
Speaker 4: Tied up in court but the right thing to do.

2068
02:01:33,120 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 4: Is to push back because a, person's, on the, street

2069
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:43,240
Speaker 4: citizens black people they want to know that somebody that

2070
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:47,120
Speaker 4: they elected in office, is taking a stand and that

2071
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:52,040
Speaker 4: some state attorney or district attorneys taking a. Stand on

2072
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 4: their behalf and, it is going on and it is

2073
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 4: unprecedented battles here right now between federal government immigration authority

2074
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:07,400
Speaker 4: and federal government authority and state authority and. State police

2075
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 4: and ice it's it's quite remarkable the struggles that are,

2076
02:02:12,120 --> 02:02:12,840
Speaker 4: going on right.

2077
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,640
Speaker 1: Now twenty three. Away from the top i've, got a step.

2078
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:19,000
Speaker 1: Beside come back tweet have, This Tweet, for You attorney

2079
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:20,600
Speaker 1: malik and i'll let you respond to you. When we

2080
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:22,880
Speaker 1: get back The tweet us as american, citizens are being

2081
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:25,720
Speaker 1: murdered dragged, out. Of their homes beaten by telling these

2082
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,440
Speaker 1: Thugs that they are americans does mean that we're all

2083
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:31,560
Speaker 1: going to be required to have some sort of identification on.

2084
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 1: Us at all times they want to get, your Response

2085
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 1: to that and i'll let you do it. When we

2086
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 1: get back family YouTube can join us With Our Conversation

2087
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 1: with attorney Malik Chabaci's the Faunily. Black lawyers for justice

2088
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 1: you can reach them at eight hundred four to five

2089
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2090
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Speaker 1: Calls Next, and grand rising family thanks are staying With us.

2091
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:49,840
Speaker 1: On this tuesday morning Thanks for starting, your TUESDAY with

2092
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:52,400
Speaker 1: Us And I guess Attorney elite chabas attorney milik is

2093
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:55,000
Speaker 1: The Founder of The. Black lawyers for justice there the

2094
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 1: ones who will find these civil rights are these police

2095
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:59,440
Speaker 1: cases for. Us as a people before we, go back.

2096
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 1: To end remind you coming up later this Week You

2097
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:06,880
Speaker 1: hear From contracosta College professor menu and penn also FIT.

2098
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,680
Speaker 1: That stock to jr fanwick is going to be realists

2099
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:13,680
Speaker 1: and Afrocology Professor out of temple university doctor. Now double

2100
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 1: join Us An economist doctor julian malvel will. Be here

2101
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:18,720
Speaker 1: as well so If, you are in baltimore make sure

2102
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:20,480
Speaker 1: you keep you ready locked in TIGHT on ten ten

2103
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2104
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Speaker 1: Fifty wol and probableague the question the tweet the we

2105
02:03:28,160 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 1: have For the two says american, students have been murdered dragged,

2106
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:32,400
Speaker 1: out of their homes beaten for telling these Thugs. That

2107
02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:35,360
Speaker 1: they are americans should we now be required to carry

2108
02:03:35,400 --> 02:03:37,440
Speaker 1: some sort of? Proof, of our citizenship.

2109
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 10: No.

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02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:45,080
Speaker 4: You don't have to according to The Law Of, the

2111
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:50,640
Speaker 4: united states constitution you don't. Have to have identification, at

2112
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:54,080
Speaker 4: the same time in this environment is probably, wise to

2113
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 4: do so but. You don't have to but it's probably

2114
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:02,240
Speaker 4: wise to do so due to the, fact that you

2115
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:06,160
Speaker 4: know persons are being accused of not being citizens and

2116
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 4: and taken off by ice and detained and, and then.

2117
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:14,360
Speaker 4: You know later released and it's easy for me to

2118
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 4: say on this line that you have legal rights and

2119
02:04:17,240 --> 02:04:21,280
Speaker 4: forth a meenmory protection and and and and you can you,

2120
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:25,120
Speaker 4: can sue the police but that also requires getting justice

2121
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:28,440
Speaker 4: later and getting an attorney and and and going through,

2122
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 4: a number of. Steps which we should and so so

2123
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:33,880
Speaker 4: we don't have. To the short answers. We don't, have to,

2124
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:37,280
Speaker 4: but uh you know as a as a, soldier in

2125
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:40,440
Speaker 4: this environment and it's not gonna harm. You, to do it.

2126
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah because.

2127
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:43,600
Speaker 18: We are all kinds uh.

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02:04:43,880 --> 02:04:46,200
Speaker 4: Is that that's a warfare and with an environment? Of,

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02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:47,280
Speaker 4: warfare right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah because we are, all kinds of. Stores even black.

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Speaker 1: Couples that's show story and this is on news one

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02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:55,080
Speaker 1: of our News Platform. Here at rady wants there's a

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02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:58,040
Speaker 1: black couple say that ice attack them and they're six

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02:04:58,160 --> 02:05:00,760
Speaker 1: children with tear gases that. Try to drive away and

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02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 1: you know some of the things they talked about because

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Speaker 1: they quote unquote they look foreign or they may have.

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02:05:06,120 --> 02:05:07,880
Speaker 1: Spoken with An. Action these were American this. Is an

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02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 1: american family. They were were attacked so people people think

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02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:13,839
Speaker 1: they're just going after people with. A light of complexion

2140
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:17,920
Speaker 1: if you will Or. Look, or look spanish no they

2141
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:20,040
Speaker 1: you can choose. You they want so but how do

2142
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:22,240
Speaker 1: you what what sort of recourse? Do you have though

2143
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:25,160
Speaker 1: and but? That happens to you what should you do,

2144
02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:27,400
Speaker 1: if something like that this particular Family, that happened, in

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02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:28,920
Speaker 1: madicos black family call.

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02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:32,160
Speaker 4: Here right right now you. Should you should call i'm

2147
02:05:32,240 --> 02:05:35,320
Speaker 4: one of the. People you should call you can, This

2148
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:37,800
Speaker 4: happens to. You you can text you should text, my

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02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:41,200
Speaker 4: my hot line my legal hotline at two four oh

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Speaker 4: six eight eight zero seven three five two four oh

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Speaker 4: six eight eight. Zero SEVEN three five if i, says

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02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:55,400
Speaker 4: illegally detained you if the police, have illegally detained you

2153
02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 4: you should text and text Me your information and i'll

2154
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:03,160
Speaker 4: go about get your evidence. And analyzing your case it's.

2155
02:06:03,240 --> 02:06:06,240
Speaker 4: Important to stand up it's important for that family that

2156
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:10,880
Speaker 4: you spoke. To to stand up they. Can be held accountable,

2157
02:06:11,640 --> 02:06:15,680
Speaker 4: and it's not easy but the courts do. Matter in

2158
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:19,839
Speaker 4: these cases and if you've been held and the, damages

2159
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:23,400
Speaker 4: have been paid damages HAVE been paid in ice CASES

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02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:30,120
Speaker 4: thus far where, ice has detained somebody a gentleman was

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Speaker 4: held for seven days AND he was a us citizen

2162
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:36,080
Speaker 4: and he was, held for seven days and he JUST

2163
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:38,560
Speaker 4: resolved this case i think for one hundred and. Twenty

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02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:44,200
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars and so they, are BEING held accountable

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02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:47,800
Speaker 4: and i believe judges are going to hold them accountable

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02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 4: more and the courts are going to. Open up FOR more,

2167
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:55,520
Speaker 4: so again i say you, can call black lawyer you

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02:06:55,560 --> 02:07:00,200
Speaker 4: can text black lawyers for justice two four six eight.

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Speaker 4: EIGHT seven three five I Know That The american civil

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Speaker 4: liberties union is engaged in, a number, of actions and

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Speaker 4: uh that's. What we're here for that's what. Lawyers are

2172
02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:14,280
Speaker 4: here for, and in this case. The law.

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02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:17,960
Speaker 1: DOES matter got you i Just, Posted that on facebook,

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Speaker 1: so folks are there check OUT the. Story that i

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Speaker 1: mentioned always go to newswe dot com and you see the.

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Speaker 1: Story there as well eight hundred and four or five zero.

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Speaker 1: Seventy eight, Seventy six attorneyment leak we got some folks want.

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Speaker 1: To talk to You let's go to lawrence's Calling us From.

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Speaker 1: The metroplex and texas he's. Online, three grand rising lawrence

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Speaker 1: your Question for attorneyment leak shabaz.

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Speaker 9: Bad you know The here's the, brother i've. Been, waiting, Been, waiting,

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02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 9: Hey Brother, kyl brother malcolm. Malik check this out i'm

2183
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:52,000
Speaker 9: so glad it's. You ON the radio and i.

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02:07:52,080 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 4: Say this to.

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02:07:52,680 --> 02:07:55,760
Speaker 9: My brothers And sisters malcolm and martin Told us To.

2186
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:01,280
Speaker 9: READ jerry versus ohio i WANT to settle because i

2187
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:03,640
Speaker 9: went to the law library and read up on that Back,

2188
02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:08,360
Speaker 9: in last in michigan oh, almost twenty years ago, where

2189
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:12,040
Speaker 9: my wife's man son and daughter were put in the

2190
02:08:12,120 --> 02:08:15,040
Speaker 9: middle of the street shotguns and pistols put, it at their.

2191
02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:19,080
Speaker 9: HEAD driving while black i. GOT the police reports i went.

2192
02:08:19,120 --> 02:08:21,720
Speaker 9: THROUGH the whole thing i argue with a black brother

2193
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 9: who was the attorney general for over an hour on

2194
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:27,000
Speaker 9: the phone in, front of my. Son and, he, Capitulated,

2195
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 9: he said well lawrence? WHAT do, YOU want i said.

2196
02:08:28,880 --> 02:08:31,400
Speaker 9: I want them fired i don't have an. Authority, to

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02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:32,000
Speaker 9: fire them.

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02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:33,240
Speaker 4: Well and it's a.

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Speaker 9: Matter of public record we, got a, monetary settlement, my

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02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:40,120
Speaker 9: kids my wife a written apology from the. East lasts

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02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:44,040
Speaker 9: and police, all you gotta do black folks Is read

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02:08:44,440 --> 02:08:47,440
Speaker 9: READ read. That's how i want. And here's the, caveat,

2203
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:51,920
Speaker 9: white lawyer said well nobody got shot and it ain't no.

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02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:57,040
Speaker 9: Blood in, the, street black, lawyer well, you know white folks.

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02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:00,959
Speaker 9: They don't, fight back here's.

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02:09:01,160 --> 02:09:03,520
Speaker 1: Right she's your favorite because we've got some more folks

2207
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:07,080
Speaker 1: want to have questions for lead's? What's your question question

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02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:08,480
Speaker 1: my Wife.

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Speaker 9: Is a union rep she's the second vice President down

2210
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:14,680
Speaker 9: here at. Local two seventy six, before she got Elected.

2211
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:19,200
Speaker 9: A White, regional rep Kim, smith Out Of tennessee called

2212
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:22,960
Speaker 9: grand prix police and Told them Don't let lawrence and

2213
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:25,600
Speaker 9: sheila own the union hall because they. Gonna shoot up

2214
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:28,800
Speaker 9: there shoot. Up the union hall this white man had

2215
02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 9: a black brother repeatedly calling the, police on my wife

2216
02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:36,800
Speaker 9: who got forty years of unbroken. Seniority in general motors

2217
02:09:37,200 --> 02:09:39,960
Speaker 9: SHE'S been a dues pan. Member, for forty years brother

2218
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:45,120
Speaker 9: this man violated, all kind of. Rights civil rights everything.

2219
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:49,120
Speaker 9: We need an attorney we want to sue his white

2220
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:51,840
Speaker 9: racist but Because, he's out of tennessee he is really

2221
02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:54,400
Speaker 9: the klan and he did it At The, behest of

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02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:57,640
Speaker 9: sean fain the PRESIDENT. Of the ua w we are

2223
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:01,640
Speaker 9: very active in union politics nationally know and. So is

2224
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:04,520
Speaker 9: my wife, were the good guys we. Fight for black people, but,

2225
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:07,960
Speaker 9: you know what brother it is really hard to find

2226
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:12,640
Speaker 9: a black attorney down here who would do some. Dude

2227
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,720
Speaker 9: do his job all we need is an attorney to take.

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02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:16,520
Speaker 7: This in the court.

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02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 9: We got the goods, We got the goods. We got

2230
02:10:19,400 --> 02:10:22,320
Speaker 9: the police. And here's the Caveat When He, Called Grand

2231
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:26,120
Speaker 9: Prairie police grand perry police was having a conversation with.

2232
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:29,120
Speaker 9: Me And My wife, Grand, pray police say lawns Do You?

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02:10:29,200 --> 02:10:31,360
Speaker 9: KNOW what, tim, smith i said yeah that's that Red.

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02:10:31,440 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 9: Neck out, of, tennessee he said well we got him.

2235
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:36,160
Speaker 9: On the, other line He said you and sheela Go shoot.

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02:10:36,200 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 9: UP the, union hall i say tell that cracker to.

2237
02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:41,320
Speaker 9: Put it in writing they, told, a white man hey.

2238
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:44,520
Speaker 9: We need some proof. Give us, Some proof he said i'll.

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02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:47,200
Speaker 9: Get back with you the white man never did. Get

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02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:49,240
Speaker 9: back with him they've been, reaching out to him trying.

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02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:51,920
Speaker 9: To get with him he won't answer. The dog on pall,

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02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:53,240
Speaker 9: But here's right right so.

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02:10:53,480 --> 02:10:54,880
Speaker 1: Let's get to you let's, get to the question because?

2244
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:56,880
Speaker 1: Who got other folks. YOU got questions too, i love

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02:10:56,920 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 1: the story but.

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02:10:57,480 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 9: Let's get the question get you or somebody in your circle.

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02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:06,040
Speaker 9: Represent us in court so we can sue this white

2248
02:11:06,080 --> 02:11:09,520
Speaker 9: man and let the world Know that crooked white union.

2249
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:13,120
Speaker 9: Reps cannot get away we're doing what he did Because

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02:11:13,160 --> 02:11:16,960
Speaker 9: if the police, I'm a gun collector, i'm private security offsple,

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02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 9: the police know. Me know my family that's the only reason.

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02:11:22,160 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 9: This didn't go south if, they didn't know us we.

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02:11:25,480 --> 02:11:28,640
Speaker 1: Could, have been dead now let's give a tourne a

2254
02:11:28,760 --> 02:11:31,920
Speaker 1: chance because the basically questions where can he find a

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Speaker 1: civil attorney? To sue, The, union thank you lawrence and

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02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:36,680
Speaker 1: thank you for all You. Saw about in dallas so

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02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:39,240
Speaker 1: does he have to find a council he has to

2258
02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:43,480
Speaker 1: Be a lawyer from texas. To handleation like that.

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02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:46,360
Speaker 4: That would be preferable that would be preferable for that

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02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:49,400
Speaker 4: action THAT that, action that i heard that. Would be

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02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:53,800
Speaker 4: the preference but because one of your car he's, ONE

2262
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:55,840
Speaker 4: of your callers i could try to steer him in

2263
02:11:55,880 --> 02:12:00,560
Speaker 4: the right direction or give. It some analysis email my

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Speaker 4: Email is attorney dot shabaz. At yahoo Dot com attorney

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02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:10,280
Speaker 4: dot shabaz. At yahoo dot com there's something about civil

2266
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:13,000
Speaker 4: litigation where we have, to say it's. Uh it's not

2267
02:12:13,200 --> 02:12:16,800
Speaker 4: easy and when it comes to taking actions against law

2268
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:21,400
Speaker 4: enforcement or. Municipalities, or certain entities uh it can be

2269
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:25,840
Speaker 4: hard because it can be expensive and and and most

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02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:30,480
Speaker 4: lawyers ought. Not To do it, uh uh civil cases most,

2271
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:33,320
Speaker 4: of us. Civil lawyers we don't we. Don't charge our

2272
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:36,760
Speaker 4: clients so we have to we we. WE invest, the

2273
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 4: funds i mean we have to invest, funds in the case,

2274
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:43,680
Speaker 4: invest funds and depositions invest funds and court costs and

2275
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:46,520
Speaker 4: fight the case and and pray that it's at some

2276
02:12:46,680 --> 02:12:49,840
Speaker 4: point the case will be resolved or jury. Will will

2277
02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:52,880
Speaker 4: will pay and and so many lawyers don't, want to

2278
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 4: do that and and and, BY in my office i

2279
02:12:57,400 --> 02:13:01,640
Speaker 4: get one hundred different requests any number of, entities at

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02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:05,280
Speaker 4: any TIME and and and i honestly can't. Do all

2281
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:08,360
Speaker 4: of THAT but but what i can do is is

2282
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:11,480
Speaker 4: focus on the on the on the. Police cases that

2283
02:13:11,680 --> 02:13:15,880
Speaker 4: matter and, but, but, Your case brother attorney my Email

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02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:20,080
Speaker 4: is attorney dot shabbass. AT yahoo dot com i do

2285
02:13:20,240 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 4: got some lawyers and textas and and the look OVER

2286
02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:26,120
Speaker 4: your situation because i know you're a dedicated listener and.

2287
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 4: You fighting the power so so we'll see.

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02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:30,720
Speaker 1: What we. Can do all right eight, AWAY from the

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02:13:30,760 --> 02:13:33,040
Speaker 1: topic i would call it, into the studio says could

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Speaker 1: you repeat the number to? Text, if pulled over, yeah.

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Speaker 4: The number here. You can just text it's better to

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02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:44,240
Speaker 4: text this number two four oh six eight eight. Zero

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02:13:44,680 --> 02:13:48,320
Speaker 4: seven three five it's best to reach me because my

2294
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:52,200
Speaker 4: staff they can't get tied up in, analyzing THIS all.

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Speaker 4: Day but i can and that is there texts two

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Speaker 4: four oh six eight eight, zero seven three five specifically

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02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:05,640
Speaker 4: talking about police cases. Which. We, must fight uh yeah

2298
02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 4: let's go on. To the.

2299
02:14:06,920 --> 02:14:09,360
Speaker 1: Next question all right The next question is Rick is

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Speaker 1: Calling from. Laurel And Maryland online Two grand rising and

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02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:16,440
Speaker 1: rick A Question for Attorning league Shabaz's.

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Speaker 19: How Salama linco my brother rising is grand to tell

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Speaker 19: you on In time.

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02:14:21,240 --> 02:14:22,680
Speaker 4: Look ahead lake a salian with.

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Speaker 17: My.

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Speaker 19: MAN look ahead uh. I was always taught i don't know,

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Speaker 19: what's going.

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02:14:29,240 --> 02:14:29,680
Speaker 1: On now you.

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02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:32,000
Speaker 19: KNOW i'm old school i was always taught when you

2310
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:36,280
Speaker 19: turn eighteen supposed to have. Idea at all times, And,

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02:14:36,400 --> 02:14:41,600
Speaker 19: one more question Uh. BROTHER'S up in Philadelphia. I believe It's?

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Speaker 19: PHILADELPHIA is the uh I Guess It's The. New black

2313
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:47,720
Speaker 19: panther party what do? YOU stand with them i, stand

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02:14:47,880 --> 02:14:51,720
Speaker 19: holdheartedly with HIM because every, time i turn around, somebody want, to.

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02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:56,120
Speaker 19: Uh you, know criticize you know it's like a double.

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Speaker 19: A catch twenty, two if we. March we get, criticized

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02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:05,680
Speaker 19: if we. STAND we, get criticized i mean the brothers are.

2318
02:15:05,720 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 19: TRYING to do something. I stand with them i just want.

2319
02:15:08,280 --> 02:15:11,880
Speaker 19: To know your take And thank God. That bonnie and

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Speaker 19: clyde i'm not going to even talk about the, brother

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02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:15,800
Speaker 19: but you know the one that was just on said

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02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:17,720
Speaker 19: the same thing as almost you almost get ready to put.

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02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:20,240
Speaker 19: His bio, out there but brother keep up the good

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02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:22,920
Speaker 19: work and just give me your intake on as far

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Speaker 19: as the Panthers.

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Speaker 17: Up.

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02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:26,520
Speaker 19: There At philadelphia philadelphia thank?

2328
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:28,600
Speaker 4: You's, your main question okay so let's. Get to. The

2329
02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:30,520
Speaker 4: main you're welcome let's. Get to the main what was

2330
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 4: the first. Part of your question i'm going to get right.

2331
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 4: To the second part what's the first? PART of your question.

2332
02:15:37,080 --> 02:15:39,480
Speaker 19: I was always taught when you turn, eighteen, years, old,

2333
02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:41,720
Speaker 19: time yes sir.

2334
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 4: Okay that might work under black law YOUR first point

2335
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:51,680
Speaker 4: what i call black. Law and constitutional law black law

2336
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:55,520
Speaker 4: sometimes mean we have to do extra steps just to

2337
02:15:55,680 --> 02:15:58,840
Speaker 4: survive and have an. Idea at all time. As An

2338
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:02,920
Speaker 4: extra step the constitution does not require us to have,

2339
02:16:03,560 --> 02:16:08,560
Speaker 4: id at all times and and and and nobody wants

2340
02:16:08,600 --> 02:16:11,040
Speaker 4: to be subject to be detained if they just out

2341
02:16:11,480 --> 02:16:13,400
Speaker 4: just going to, the store or something or they just

2342
02:16:13,480 --> 02:16:17,080
Speaker 4: out exercising AND. They don't have id it's NOT. Required

2343
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:21,960
Speaker 4: TO have, id but i, mean if you know, because

2344
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:25,320
Speaker 4: we're at war if somebody a black father, tells the

2345
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:27,800
Speaker 4: son that or we feel we have to do, that

2346
02:16:27,880 --> 02:16:30,400
Speaker 4: as BLACK men and then i. Don't. Object to that

2347
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:33,800
Speaker 4: okay so let's go To The to The black panthers

2348
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:40,680
Speaker 4: and philadelphia here under who drawing recent attention for the

2349
02:16:40,840 --> 02:16:45,760
Speaker 4: actions of a young Man There, named mister paul birdsong

2350
02:16:46,920 --> 02:16:51,400
Speaker 4: who has made some news here recently because of either

2351
02:16:51,640 --> 02:17:00,720
Speaker 4: patrolling the Police while armed in philadelphia or otherwise making

2352
02:17:00,959 --> 02:17:06,000
Speaker 4: statements against ice that that he would defend himself against

2353
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:10,560
Speaker 4: ice and taking a stance Against. Ice against in minnesota

2354
02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:13,680
Speaker 4: has made a lot of. Noise, on the internet also,

2355
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:16,040
Speaker 4: as you pointed out has received and now and. A

2356
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:19,480
Speaker 4: lot of criticism you seem, to have, said that you know,

2357
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:22,400
Speaker 4: if we stand Up we, were like malcolm said, if we,

2358
02:17:22,520 --> 02:17:25,000
Speaker 4: Stand up we, wrong we. Lie down were wrong the

2359
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:28,320
Speaker 4: black man lies. On the society's wrong and we're talking

2360
02:17:28,320 --> 02:17:31,400
Speaker 4: about being criticized by. OUR own people here i take

2361
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:34,160
Speaker 4: it being criticized by our own so let. Me, JUST

2362
02:17:34,280 --> 02:17:37,600
Speaker 4: answer THIS yeah i think. I got your question let

2363
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 4: me answer. This the sinkly, uh first, OF all in

2364
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:46,800
Speaker 4: general I support Brother, brother Paul Bird song the Black,

2365
02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:51,480
Speaker 4: panther organizer in philadelphia.

2366
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:56,480
Speaker 1: Because because we got, TO take short break i don't want.

2367
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:58,360
Speaker 1: To break you Rhythm. And thank you rick thanks your

2368
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 1: phone call shooting minutes away from the time we got,

2369
02:18:00,560 --> 02:18:03,240
Speaker 1: to take the break so stations can identify. Themselves down

2370
02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:05,960
Speaker 1: THE line. Per the fcc family you two can join our.

2371
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:08,120
Speaker 1: Conversation with our guest he's The Founder of The black

2372
02:18:08,200 --> 02:18:11,040
Speaker 1: lawyers for justice talking about law Right Now, with attorney

2373
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,160
Speaker 1: malik shabaz and you can reach them at eight hundred

2374
02:18:13,280 --> 02:18:16,760
Speaker 1: four or five zero. Seventy eight seventy six we'll take all.

2375
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:19,520
Speaker 1: Of your Phone Calls next, AND grand rising family i

2376
02:18:19,600 --> 02:18:21,560
Speaker 1: thanks for writing With us on this tuesday morning with

2377
02:18:21,640 --> 02:18:23,840
Speaker 1: The Founder of The. Black lawyers for Justice His. Name

2378
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:26,840
Speaker 1: is malik chabbaz he's an attorney and before we left

2379
02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:29,200
Speaker 1: he Had a Call From rick and laurel maryland And

2380
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:32,120
Speaker 1: Wondered about The. Black panthers in philly we'll see some

2381
02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:35,240
Speaker 1: brothers around and dressed in black. And, Armed As, well

2382
02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:38,280
Speaker 1: so attorney malik you are Going to respond to Rick's

2383
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:41,800
Speaker 1: Question About. The, black panther, Party, yes third brother rick.

2384
02:18:43,720 --> 02:18:47,040
Speaker 4: It's. A, Great QUESTION okay again so i want to

2385
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:51,800
Speaker 4: SAY straight UP that i that i support Brother The

2386
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:56,840
Speaker 4: actions Of brother paul Bird Song and the Black panther

2387
02:18:57,680 --> 02:19:03,200
Speaker 4: organizer in Philadelphia Call Themselves, the BLACK panther party and

2388
02:19:03,640 --> 02:19:08,879
Speaker 4: i Support them because because i'm opposed To police brutality

2389
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:15,440
Speaker 4: and i'm. For community police patrols i'm. FOR community police

2390
02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:18,920
Speaker 4: patrols i think black people should take an active part

2391
02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:24,840
Speaker 4: in in patrolling their communities. And preventing police brutality and,

2392
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 4: SO in that regard i Think That uh of chairman paul,

2393
02:19:29,400 --> 02:19:32,879
Speaker 4: as they call, Him has he has he's he's become

2394
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:37,440
Speaker 4: owned because he's taken a courageous stand and and he's

2395
02:19:37,560 --> 02:19:39,880
Speaker 4: courageous and and that's what it's going to take for.

2396
02:19:39,959 --> 02:19:42,760
Speaker 4: Us to get liberated it's going to. Take. Having, having

2397
02:19:42,959 --> 02:19:47,080
Speaker 4: courage uh now when, it comes to criticism the main

2398
02:19:47,240 --> 02:19:51,120
Speaker 4: criticism being LEVIED against him is i guess from his

2399
02:19:51,360 --> 02:19:56,560
Speaker 4: from his own and and unfortunately much of this now is. Now.

2400
02:19:56,800 --> 02:20:02,440
Speaker 4: COMING from inside uh i guess not, just the black

2401
02:20:02,520 --> 02:20:06,360
Speaker 4: community but those that also Considered Themselves to be black

2402
02:20:06,480 --> 02:20:11,880
Speaker 4: panthers Or Heirs to the black panther legacy. And so

2403
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:15,440
Speaker 4: and so now a lot of, attack and criticism form

2404
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:17,960
Speaker 4: and so let. ME stop right there i WANT to

2405
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:22,400
Speaker 4: say that i served as The Chairman For The new

2406
02:20:22,560 --> 02:20:27,080
Speaker 4: black panther party from the years two thousand and one to,

2407
02:20:27,320 --> 02:20:33,359
Speaker 4: two thousand and, thirteen Succeeding My. MENTOR doctor khalib muhammad

2408
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:36,600
Speaker 4: i served as a party, chairman WILD practicing law and

2409
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:40,160
Speaker 4: i know A Bit about the black. Panther conflicts and,

2410
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:43,840
Speaker 4: criticism matter of, fact for many years well for the

2411
02:20:44,680 --> 02:20:48,160
Speaker 4: three Years He Was The, New Black, panther chairman colin

2412
02:20:48,280 --> 02:20:56,959
Speaker 4: muhammad he faced a continuous attacks and criticism FROM members

2413
02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:00,320
Speaker 4: of some, i was must say Some Members Of the

2414
02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:04,880
Speaker 4: original panther party who were just criticizing him for, just

2415
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:08,640
Speaker 4: being a panther criticized everything he would. Do, in this

2416
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:12,080
Speaker 4: instance uh, just some of them. Not ALL of them

2417
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:14,320
Speaker 4: and i won't even name the names as we try

2418
02:21:14,360 --> 02:21:18,320
Speaker 4: to work through this situation that, was that was rough.

2419
02:21:18,400 --> 02:21:21,200
Speaker 4: And THAT was painful when i was The Chairman Of

2420
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:25,200
Speaker 4: The new black, panther party for years just. For almost

2421
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:32,320
Speaker 4: any reason they would criticize AND nitpick, everything that I did.

2422
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:35,920
Speaker 4: Everything that i, did these were, mainly in this, case

2423
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:39,240
Speaker 4: some not all but some elders Who Were in, the

2424
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:42,640
Speaker 4: black panther party and, and many of them, not all

2425
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:45,040
Speaker 4: of them but many of them who were criticized and

2426
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:48,160
Speaker 4: just merely did not want anybody else to. Be a

2427
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:52,240
Speaker 4: black panther AND so and so i felt that those

2428
02:21:52,520 --> 02:21:57,920
Speaker 4: criticisms were we were unfortunate because my gut was as

2429
02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:00,920
Speaker 4: the same as it Is, with Mister Bird, saw mister

2430
02:22:01,480 --> 02:22:07,480
Speaker 4: chairman paul is that just because someone, else is doing

2431
02:22:07,560 --> 02:22:11,520
Speaker 4: it then some of us are mad just because someone.

2432
02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:14,720
Speaker 4: Else is doing it and, my response to that if

2433
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:17,879
Speaker 4: if you were just if you would if, you were

2434
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:21,480
Speaker 4: doing it if you were doing that black panther job that,

2435
02:22:21,640 --> 02:22:25,120
Speaker 4: you would be doing you wouldn't be so worried or

2436
02:22:25,160 --> 02:22:29,320
Speaker 4: to concerned to criticize or knock the man that is

2437
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:33,440
Speaker 4: doing it and nitpicking him on, while he doing, it

2438
02:22:33,720 --> 02:22:36,640
Speaker 4: where he doing and, why he doing it. And what,

2439
02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:40,080
Speaker 4: he SAID uh so, SO i don't like i don't

2440
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:44,000
Speaker 4: like people are over. CRITICIZING this young man i get

2441
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:47,600
Speaker 4: into specific in some of his doctrine in a minute.

2442
02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:50,720
Speaker 4: Or what he's saying, but just IN general the good

2443
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:54,720
Speaker 4: i get from from from. Him is he's courageous and

2444
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:58,880
Speaker 4: because he's got some attention from being courageous, on the

2445
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:02,280
Speaker 4: right issue which is police patrols, and doing it armed

2446
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:07,240
Speaker 4: that that. Now others are jealous others that. Are in

2447
02:23:07,400 --> 02:23:09,960
Speaker 4: that space i'm not in, that space right now but

2448
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:12,400
Speaker 4: others that that want of that have been trying to

2449
02:23:12,520 --> 02:23:15,680
Speaker 4: be black panthers or doing some form of black panthers

2450
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:19,520
Speaker 4: now see. Him getting the attention, so here they are.

2451
02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:22,959
Speaker 4: All the black panthers they go online and they're attacking him,

2452
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:26,360
Speaker 4: and staying he's wrong saying he shouldn't be standing, up

2453
02:23:26,440 --> 02:23:29,640
Speaker 4: for against ice or he, shouldn't be doing this, or

2454
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:32,279
Speaker 4: he's not that Or He's not. The black panther party

2455
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:38,000
Speaker 4: he ain't, annoying it by This and AND and I'm

2456
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:40,920
Speaker 4: almost i think i'll be speaking. WITH him LATER today

2457
02:23:41,240 --> 02:23:43,880
Speaker 4: i think I speak with. Him Eastern time today and

2458
02:23:44,760 --> 02:23:47,920
Speaker 4: i'm going to offer, this Young man encouragement and i'm

2459
02:23:47,959 --> 02:23:51,120
Speaker 4: going to offer him MY legal counsel because i know the,

2460
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,560
Speaker 4: road THAT he's traveling and i know the road of

2461
02:23:53,800 --> 02:23:57,720
Speaker 4: envy and hatred and jealousy. And all of that so so. That's,

2462
02:23:57,840 --> 02:24:01,080
Speaker 4: MY basic point BROTHER i like that i support him

2463
02:24:01,080 --> 02:24:04,120
Speaker 4: because he stands up now now every point that he

2464
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:07,680
Speaker 4: that he necessarily raises or h and he has some

2465
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:09,800
Speaker 4: things he's. Got to work through he's got to he's

2466
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:11,640
Speaker 4: got some things that he's. Got to work through people

2467
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:15,600
Speaker 4: are GONNA criticize his his i guess his, doctrine or

2468
02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:19,960
Speaker 4: his ideology or or that he's guess, he's not nationalist

2469
02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:22,760
Speaker 4: enough he's. Not pro black, enough he's not. This HE'S

2470
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:25,160
Speaker 4: not that but i don't. Know WHAT he's not but

2471
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,800
Speaker 4: i damn sure. Know what he is and and and

2472
02:24:27,879 --> 02:24:30,440
Speaker 4: he's a black panther. That's given his life he's, got him,

2473
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:33,400
Speaker 4: a headquarters HE'S struggling and and i know them little,

2474
02:24:33,440 --> 02:24:36,400
Speaker 4: rooms that he's in trying to get up his soldiers

2475
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:38,760
Speaker 4: and get him. Out in the field and And Dealing.

2476
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:41,680
Speaker 4: With the philadelphia police although it appears To be a

2477
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:44,520
Speaker 4: new philadelphia police and. Ain't the old one the old

2478
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:45,840
Speaker 4: one was was much.

2479
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:46,080
Speaker 17: More.

2480
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:49,720
Speaker 4: ROUGH and vicious uh i still say that. HE has

2481
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:52,280
Speaker 4: my support i plan to offer him. My SUPPORT later

2482
02:24:52,360 --> 02:24:55,320
Speaker 4: today and, i say hands. Off leave him alone if

2483
02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:57,600
Speaker 4: you're not, gonna work with him. Don't work against him

2484
02:24:58,080 --> 02:24:59,720
Speaker 4: and if you out there and you say that you

2485
02:24:59,800 --> 02:25:03,640
Speaker 4: are a black panther and you haven't no and they're,

2486
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:06,320
Speaker 4: not talking about you then get up and do something

2487
02:25:06,440 --> 02:25:10,000
Speaker 4: so people will recognize what you doing and stop hating.

2488
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:12,240
Speaker 4: On the NEXT man that's what, i have To Say

2489
02:25:12,280 --> 02:25:16,119
Speaker 4: because the Black america needs a, black path to program

2490
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:19,560
Speaker 4: and those that, are gonna do it they should do

2491
02:25:19,640 --> 02:25:22,400
Speaker 4: it in unity and not be. Crabs in a barrel.

2492
02:25:23,480 --> 02:25:25,480
Speaker 1: Ain't, at the top there we are you surprised that

2493
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:27,800
Speaker 1: he got some pushback from people, who look like us

2494
02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:29,440
Speaker 1: people who's trying To, Defend and.

2495
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:34,400
Speaker 4: Support, Sadly i'm not sadly i'm NOT you. Know what

2496
02:25:34,480 --> 02:25:37,880
Speaker 4: i mean it just happens all, the time, With us

2497
02:25:38,400 --> 02:25:42,320
Speaker 4: you know and no one's really out there pushing the

2498
02:25:42,480 --> 02:25:45,760
Speaker 4: path to program to the degree where. Anybody will recognize

2499
02:25:45,800 --> 02:25:48,720
Speaker 4: it they're. Just not doing it so if a man

2500
02:25:48,959 --> 02:25:51,640
Speaker 4: does it and pushes the program to the extent where

2501
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:55,480
Speaker 4: he becomes an object of attention and, he gets, some,

2502
02:25:55,640 --> 02:26:02,040
Speaker 4: Traction then then unfortunately i'm not surprised that some people,

2503
02:26:02,120 --> 02:26:04,360
Speaker 4: that look like him but they are. All up in

2504
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:08,840
Speaker 4: arms we're far too. TRIBALISTIC as, the people i mean

2505
02:26:08,879 --> 02:26:12,360
Speaker 4: they did The Same Thing To Minister lewis Farkive melissa

2506
02:26:12,400 --> 02:26:17,240
Speaker 4: lewis far kahin is Reorganizing Him And the honorable Silace

2507
02:26:17,320 --> 02:26:21,959
Speaker 4: muhammad Reorganizing. The nation Of islaments It's when minister far,

2508
02:26:22,120 --> 02:26:26,080
Speaker 4: kahind gets some momentum then everybody becomes an expert on

2509
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:29,440
Speaker 4: what he should do and. What he shouldn't do but they.

2510
02:26:29,480 --> 02:26:32,360
Speaker 4: Weren't even doing it they, weren't even doing it. And

2511
02:26:32,879 --> 02:26:36,280
Speaker 4: not most all everybody wasn't doing it until. He Was

2512
02:26:36,400 --> 02:26:39,800
Speaker 4: Doing it when colin Muhammad Was Organizing The, new black

2513
02:26:39,879 --> 02:26:43,280
Speaker 4: panther party nobody was doing it like. He Was Doing

2514
02:26:43,360 --> 02:26:46,959
Speaker 4: it and jasper texas, and confronting the issues and all

2515
02:26:47,000 --> 02:26:50,360
Speaker 4: of a sudden he. Has one. Million critics our people

2516
02:26:50,840 --> 02:26:54,280
Speaker 4: we are never going to get, free being over competitive,

2517
02:26:54,480 --> 02:26:59,920
Speaker 4: being cop being envious being, jealous of each other trying to.

2518
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:03,040
Speaker 4: Pull Each other down, so i'm not surprised but we're

2519
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:06,920
Speaker 4: gonna have. To change, this behavior you know there's many

2520
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:09,680
Speaker 4: People That. Don't like donald trump there are many people

2521
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:11,760
Speaker 4: that work for him, that don't like it but they

2522
02:27:11,879 --> 02:27:16,360
Speaker 4: know that They're Working for whatever. DONALD trump's, agenda is

2523
02:27:16,520 --> 02:27:20,800
Speaker 4: i Mean He. Has insulted marco Rubio His Family, is

2524
02:27:20,959 --> 02:27:23,560
Speaker 4: mama lindsey, graham all of them but all of them

2525
02:27:23,640 --> 02:27:26,199
Speaker 4: know that they're on a common. Team of white supremacy

2526
02:27:26,680 --> 02:27:29,080
Speaker 4: so they go. On and fold in they go on

2527
02:27:29,240 --> 02:27:32,279
Speaker 4: and fold in and work for the. White supremacist common

2528
02:27:32,400 --> 02:27:34,760
Speaker 4: calls and we need to take, a page. From THAT

2529
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:39,200
Speaker 4: you know so i Might agree with everything paul, either

2530
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:42,039
Speaker 4: says or does but right now, he Has my support

2531
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:45,280
Speaker 4: and i'm going to tell. Him that later today and.

2532
02:27:45,360 --> 02:27:47,560
Speaker 1: It just Remind Family that's what. Neelie fuller is saying

2533
02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:50,600
Speaker 1: they stay on code when. It comes to us he's

2534
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:53,280
Speaker 1: been teaching that. And preaching that forever we've got. To

2535
02:27:53,320 --> 02:27:56,080
Speaker 1: find a Code and again doctor fox talks about one

2536
02:27:56,120 --> 02:27:58,720
Speaker 1: of the five core white values that some of. Us

2537
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:01,720
Speaker 1: are addicted to it it's competing with each. Other at

2538
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:05,240
Speaker 1: different levels and we got some freedom fighter's. Competing with

2539
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:07,480
Speaker 1: each other so. That's my two cents we've got some

2540
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:09,160
Speaker 1: more folks want to. Talk To You Though at. Tournament

2541
02:28:09,240 --> 02:28:12,560
Speaker 1: League online four the Truth fella's gone from cleveland and

2542
02:28:12,600 --> 02:28:14,560
Speaker 1: he has A Question For your grand rising truth telling

2543
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:17,640
Speaker 1: You on With. The Tourney Of, League Shabaz Grund.

2544
02:28:17,440 --> 02:28:22,200
Speaker 17: Rising quay Grund, rising, ATTORN shabal hey brother. A couple of,

2545
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:23,400
Speaker 17: things first of all LET me just say.

2546
02:28:23,959 --> 02:28:24,360
Speaker 4: I feel.

2547
02:28:24,440 --> 02:28:28,560
Speaker 17: Lawrence pain i understand uh sometimes it's it's hard to

2548
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:31,880
Speaker 17: find the right. Representation AS black folks but i ain't

2549
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:34,760
Speaker 17: gonna ran. And rave to day i'm, calling for. Some,

2550
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:38,080
Speaker 17: Advice my brother listen i'm a, middle, aged black man

2551
02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:42,160
Speaker 17: right a little, north Of fifty five and i've made

2552
02:28:42,200 --> 02:28:43,400
Speaker 17: the decision to go.

2553
02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:43,720
Speaker 11: Back.

2554
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:46,720
Speaker 17: To law school right i'm gonna complete my, bachelor's Within

2555
02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:50,640
Speaker 17: eighteen months so i'm already thinking about taking the. Al

2556
02:28:50,760 --> 02:28:53,800
Speaker 17: set next year BUT this is, something I gotta do so, i,

2557
02:28:53,879 --> 02:28:57,800
Speaker 17: Want Your, advice man attorney shabaz what you think about

2558
02:28:57,800 --> 02:29:00,960
Speaker 17: a brother my age who going back to law school or?

2559
02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:05,000
Speaker 17: Going to law school and what advice? Would you give

2560
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:08,959
Speaker 17: me i've checked out programs you know, they got excuse,

2561
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:12,480
Speaker 17: me political, science programs you know fast track law program

2562
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:15,800
Speaker 17: so forth far as you you know your concentrators in

2563
02:29:15,959 --> 02:29:17,760
Speaker 17: law before, you get you know give me. Some advice,

2564
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:19,520
Speaker 17: on that and again what you what you think about?

2565
02:29:19,560 --> 02:29:21,600
Speaker 17: The brother, MY age you know i probably got a

2566
02:29:21,640 --> 02:29:24,200
Speaker 17: good maybe twenty twenty for five years. Left on This earth.

2567
02:29:24,280 --> 02:29:27,000
Speaker 17: THAT'S if I'M lucky i think i could be an effective.

2568
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:30,119
Speaker 17: Lawyer in that time can you? Offer, me, SOME advice brother.

2569
02:29:31,560 --> 02:29:34,200
Speaker 4: Brother i. SAY go for it i. Say go for it.

2570
02:29:34,280 --> 02:29:38,720
Speaker 4: Now where You. Located i'm in, Ohio where You. Located,

2571
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:42,000
Speaker 4: you're on ohio, brother go for. It GO for it

2572
02:29:42,120 --> 02:29:48,000
Speaker 4: and i want you to have my contacts because you

2573
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:52,040
Speaker 4: may just be going, through law school now about to go,

2574
02:29:52,200 --> 02:29:54,400
Speaker 4: through law school now but you have the wisdom of

2575
02:29:54,560 --> 02:29:58,040
Speaker 4: life behind you. At age fifty five and having the

2576
02:29:58,120 --> 02:30:01,800
Speaker 4: wisdom of life makes a. Difference as AN attorney, so,

2577
02:30:02,040 --> 02:30:05,120
Speaker 4: so i say yes you, can make a difference and

2578
02:30:05,360 --> 02:30:08,520
Speaker 4: yes you can have however many years you, believe you

2579
02:30:08,680 --> 02:30:12,160
Speaker 4: have left you can you can make a difference in

2580
02:30:12,240 --> 02:30:14,520
Speaker 4: your life and. The life of others that'd be very

2581
02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:18,080
Speaker 4: fulfilling if you will go ahead on and complete the

2582
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:22,480
Speaker 4: steps and and. And And practice law and i'm sure

2583
02:30:22,520 --> 02:30:25,120
Speaker 4: you will help. Self and help others and so, you

2584
02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:28,320
Speaker 4: have my support and you can text me text me

2585
02:30:28,400 --> 02:30:32,920
Speaker 4: at two four oh two four oh six eight eight.

2586
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:36,920
Speaker 4: O seven three five if you text me at two

2587
02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:40,680
Speaker 4: four oh six eight eight, oh seven three five we

2588
02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:44,000
Speaker 4: can go, over your l set over your l set

2589
02:30:44,120 --> 02:30:48,000
Speaker 4: and and uh you whatever you, got it to do

2590
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:51,000
Speaker 4: and you might even if you're serious, about what you're

2591
02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:54,480
Speaker 4: doing you get some intern. Time with my office you

2592
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:57,080
Speaker 4: get intern. Time with my office we can. Even do

2593
02:30:57,240 --> 02:30:57,840
Speaker 4: that virtual we.

2594
02:30:57,879 --> 02:30:58,000
Speaker 16: Can.

2595
02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:02,400
Speaker 4: Do that virtual listen i'm hoping you interested in and

2596
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:07,760
Speaker 4: some constitutional, and some human rights And i'd like to i'd. Like,

2597
02:31:07,879 --> 02:31:08,560
Speaker 4: to assist You.

2598
02:31:10,040 --> 02:31:12,879
Speaker 17: Hey that's. WHAT i'm going for. I WILL constitutional, Law

2599
02:31:13,440 --> 02:31:15,640
Speaker 17: like i said i've been, looking at some programs have already,

2600
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:19,039
Speaker 17: been setting. Up dates you know i've looked at them

2601
02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:21,279
Speaker 17: off from. Too Far in advance but i've been already

2602
02:31:21,640 --> 02:31:24,840
Speaker 17: thinking about the els at sometime, in Early next year

2603
02:31:25,000 --> 02:31:28,600
Speaker 17: maybe march or. Summer Of twenty seven but i'm. Going,

2604
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:30,240
Speaker 17: TO through it brother. I made the decision i just

2605
02:31:30,320 --> 02:31:34,440
Speaker 17: wanted some thought processing advice from, somebody, that's been there,

2606
02:31:34,520 --> 02:31:37,880
Speaker 17: doney and, BEING older you know i wanted to. Just

2607
02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:40,280
Speaker 17: get some perspective so, thank YOU very much and i will.

2608
02:31:40,360 --> 02:31:45,879
Speaker 17: Reach out to you, and don't, go, ahead, go ahead.

2609
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:48,360
Speaker 4: Brother brother, Go forward go forward and. It don't matter

2610
02:31:48,520 --> 02:31:50,720
Speaker 4: me it does. NOT matter the age i know many

2611
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:53,960
Speaker 4: lawyers that did one kind of practice and got into

2612
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:57,320
Speaker 4: their fifties and switched and went into. Another kind of

2613
02:31:57,400 --> 02:32:01,160
Speaker 4: practice so win. In the private practice after after working

2614
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:03,800
Speaker 4: for someone, for so MANY years and and i think

2615
02:32:03,879 --> 02:32:06,360
Speaker 4: you're going to, have A fulfilling experience and i think you.

2616
02:32:06,440 --> 02:32:09,480
Speaker 4: Should go for it and and to, all brothers out

2617
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:12,920
Speaker 4: there all brothers out, there of any age there is

2618
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:18,840
Speaker 4: a severe shortage of black men who. Are competent in law.

2619
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:22,160
Speaker 4: There's a severe shortage you go, to the law schools.

2620
02:32:22,200 --> 02:32:24,560
Speaker 4: They pack with women you go to the undergrad. They

2621
02:32:24,680 --> 02:32:27,760
Speaker 4: pack with women we need black men of any age

2622
02:32:27,920 --> 02:32:32,720
Speaker 4: to to, to to be lawyers and especially ones that are.

2623
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:37,000
Speaker 4: Committed to, a, cast. So yes. Sir. Appreciate thank you

2624
02:32:38,520 --> 02:32:40,680
Speaker 4: brother i'm throwing. You a fist up i'm throwing you

2625
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:42,720
Speaker 4: a fist up right now for i'ming it.

2626
02:32:42,840 --> 02:32:44,440
Speaker 10: Right back to you i'm throwing it right.

2627
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:46,520
Speaker 4: Back, to y right, man, do that?

2628
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:50,400
Speaker 1: Thing man do, It love, That story. Thank you thank You.

2629
02:32:50,480 --> 02:32:52,840
Speaker 1: True telecom from cleveland let me just. Share this With

2630
02:32:52,959 --> 02:32:58,120
Speaker 1: you attorney The, lake Attorney In. Compton a maxi filer

2631
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:00,600
Speaker 1: HE took the bar i think they be twenty eight.

2632
02:33:00,680 --> 02:33:03,120
Speaker 1: Thirty times and failed he, kept taking the bar. He

2633
02:33:03,160 --> 02:33:05,840
Speaker 1: kept taking it he. Was an, elderly brother in fact his.

2634
02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:06,160
Speaker 4: Son.

2635
02:33:06,320 --> 02:33:11,680
Speaker 1: Is A judge Now kevin filer in compton IS and Everybody,

2636
02:33:11,720 --> 02:33:14,680
Speaker 1: in la news, maxifiler because you, know the joke was

2637
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:16,840
Speaker 1: he kept taking the bar every year and he. Kept

2638
02:33:16,879 --> 02:33:19,000
Speaker 1: failing the bar, And By the way california bar is

2639
02:33:19,360 --> 02:33:21,600
Speaker 1: one of the hardest ones. Had taken the country you

2640
02:33:21,640 --> 02:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Can correct me if i'm. Wrong on that one but

2641
02:33:24,400 --> 02:33:26,520
Speaker 1: he kept taking it and kave. Me twenty thirty times

2642
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:28,320
Speaker 1: his son went to law school, and passed the bar

2643
02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:30,400
Speaker 1: and son. Was working, with ME still fair and i

2644
02:33:30,480 --> 02:33:33,080
Speaker 1: think maybe, on the twenty eighth twenty ninth time, he

2645
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:36,400
Speaker 1: passed the bar. He became an attorney so. He never

2646
02:33:36,520 --> 02:33:39,200
Speaker 1: gave up So. TRUTH teller in cleveland i hope, that,

2647
02:33:39,320 --> 02:33:42,720
Speaker 1: story helps you, brother because never Never. Never give, up

2648
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:45,320
Speaker 1: maxifil in FACT they did a, tv show on him

2649
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:50,160
Speaker 1: a sitcom based on what He. Was DOING in compton

2650
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:51,600
Speaker 1: so i just want to shout out DOWN the folks

2651
02:33:51,640 --> 02:33:54,160
Speaker 1: In la. Know who, maxifiler is but anyway we got

2652
02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:55,640
Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments and we've got

2653
02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:57,480
Speaker 1: some more folks want. TO talk to you i guess

2654
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:00,080
Speaker 1: is The Founder of The. Black lawyers for justice, his

2655
02:34:00,200 --> 02:34:02,400
Speaker 1: name is attorney and. He's in the. Attorney he's an

2656
02:34:02,400 --> 02:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Attorney His, name is malik shabbaz you want to reach

2657
02:34:04,879 --> 02:34:08,320
Speaker 1: him eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight seventy

2658
02:34:08,360 --> 02:34:10,400
Speaker 1: six you will take your Phone Calls next, and grand

2659
02:34:10,480 --> 02:34:12,680
Speaker 1: rising family thanks for sticking With us on THIS tuesday

2660
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:15,480
Speaker 1: morning with I Guess, the attorning maligue shabbaz The Founder

2661
02:34:15,480 --> 02:34:17,360
Speaker 1: of The. Black lawyers of justice before we, go back

2662
02:34:17,360 --> 02:34:18,920
Speaker 1: to him we got a call FROM a when a

2663
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:23,840
Speaker 1: la listener's counselor AND Just formed that maxi filer actually

2664
02:34:23,879 --> 02:34:26,040
Speaker 1: took The Bar. Exam the california bar he took it

2665
02:34:26,200 --> 02:34:29,200
Speaker 1: forty eight times over his, twenty five year span and

2666
02:34:29,320 --> 02:34:31,960
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one he. Finally passed the bar he.

2667
02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:34,720
Speaker 1: Was sixty years old So, TRUE teller in cleveland i

2668
02:34:34,760 --> 02:34:36,320
Speaker 1: don't think that you're too old. To pass the bar

2669
02:34:36,400 --> 02:34:38,400
Speaker 1: he was sixty years old when. He passed the bar

2670
02:34:38,879 --> 02:34:41,920
Speaker 1: and the sitcom that they did and you know it

2671
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:44,600
Speaker 1: did Of. Him was called sparks it was it was

2672
02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:47,400
Speaker 1: A Breakout. Performance by terrence howard he was one of

2673
02:34:47,440 --> 02:34:49,720
Speaker 1: The Co stars and miguel noons was one of the

2674
02:34:49,800 --> 02:34:51,960
Speaker 1: worked on. That SHOW as well SO i, just the

2675
02:34:52,200 --> 02:34:55,600
Speaker 1: la folks thank you. For Sharing, they information you black don't, Make.

2676
02:34:55,520 --> 02:35:00,279
Speaker 4: Me, research this yeah. Yeah, make me research.

2677
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah check it.

2678
02:35:01,360 --> 02:35:04,000
Speaker 4: OUT in credible story. I like his determination i Knew

2679
02:35:04,040 --> 02:35:08,320
Speaker 4: a man in california that, took it eleven times but when,

2680
02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:11,160
Speaker 4: you say forty. Eight, that's mind blowing.

2681
02:35:11,400 --> 02:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah but he over. Twenty five years span every year

2682
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:18,600
Speaker 1: he took it for twenty.

2683
02:35:18,400 --> 02:35:19,000
Speaker 3: Five years and.

2684
02:35:19,160 --> 02:35:23,960
Speaker 4: Repeat california bar takers but, that IS the record and i.

2685
02:35:24,120 --> 02:35:25,200
Speaker 4: Hope he's doing well i'm.

2686
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:25,320
Speaker 6: Going.

2687
02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:29,120
Speaker 3: To, research that yeah please way to persevere.

2688
02:35:29,440 --> 02:35:31,960
Speaker 1: Because his son, Is Now. A judge kevin filex i

2689
02:35:32,160 --> 02:35:33,920
Speaker 1: remember the whole story, was that with him we've seen.

2690
02:35:33,959 --> 02:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Me all, every day you know we had an office and.

2691
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Content at the time we see him, Every, day and hey.

2692
02:35:38,320 --> 02:35:40,879
Speaker 1: Maxie how's it going you're, studying brought you know it's.

2693
02:35:40,920 --> 02:35:41,200
Speaker 4: Just wave.

2694
02:35:41,320 --> 02:35:42,720
Speaker 3: AT it you know i.

2695
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Thought it was funny and then then, when he passed

2696
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:48,160
Speaker 1: though it was like the whole community. Just celebrated, with

2697
02:35:48,280 --> 02:35:51,520
Speaker 1: him you know, after twenty five years he finally, his

2698
02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:54,400
Speaker 1: dream came. True became, an attorney but anyway we got

2699
02:35:54,480 --> 02:35:57,400
Speaker 1: some more folks want, To Talk to you attorney Maliks

2700
02:35:57,440 --> 02:35:59,600
Speaker 1: about his brother Gregor. Is coming from charlotte it's. Only

2701
02:35:59,760 --> 02:36:03,080
Speaker 1: two Grand, rise your brother gregory Your Question. For, attorneying eleague.

2702
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:07,000
Speaker 20: Shabis yes a grand Rising brother called grand Rids And

2703
02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:09,959
Speaker 20: attorney Of league ship bozz i just had, a two quick, quo,

2704
02:36:10,360 --> 02:36:14,560
Speaker 20: one about yes sir birthright citizenship and the second About

2705
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:19,880
Speaker 20: My own. Potential supreme court case. First on birthright, Citizenship

2706
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:24,920
Speaker 20: As you know president trump issued in executive order about birthright,

2707
02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:29,000
Speaker 20: citizenship after his inauguration and it Was just announced in

2708
02:36:29,120 --> 02:36:32,840
Speaker 20: december of Twenty Five that the supreme court will hear

2709
02:36:32,879 --> 02:36:35,920
Speaker 20: the case and the Arguments, will be in april and

2710
02:36:36,040 --> 02:36:39,760
Speaker 20: the FINAL decision Is expected i think. July, twenty twenty

2711
02:36:39,840 --> 02:36:43,240
Speaker 20: six now one thing that concerned me Is A statement

2712
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:48,360
Speaker 20: by president trump and his administration is that. Birthright citizenship

2713
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:53,120
Speaker 20: IS unconstitutional and, when i heard that even though they're,

2714
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,680
Speaker 20: trying to build this It's, something for the. Latinos something

2715
02:36:56,760 --> 02:37:00,920
Speaker 20: for immigration the first point is over, thirty million, black,

2716
02:37:01,000 --> 02:37:05,440
Speaker 20: people mean you brother cal all of us. We have

2717
02:37:05,720 --> 02:37:11,920
Speaker 20: birthright citizenship so in, this, climate with ice capturing detaining,

2718
02:37:12,320 --> 02:37:15,120
Speaker 20: AND even deporting people i want to know if you

2719
02:37:15,240 --> 02:37:19,040
Speaker 20: think that what Is happening to the latinos could eventually be.

2720
02:37:19,400 --> 02:37:22,480
Speaker 20: Directed at black people over thirty million black, People in

2721
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:26,560
Speaker 20: this country if that decision comes down the wrong, way

2722
02:37:27,760 --> 02:37:31,520
Speaker 20: against black. People, AGAINST birthright citizenship.

2723
02:37:33,560 --> 02:37:37,920
Speaker 4: Okay i understand, the birthright citizenship issue which is that

2724
02:37:42,360 --> 02:37:46,480
Speaker 4: a person That's Born in the united states from whatever

2725
02:37:46,680 --> 02:37:50,119
Speaker 4: set of facts Are Deemed to. Be United states citizens

2726
02:37:50,200 --> 02:37:54,880
Speaker 4: and trump administration is, pushing back against that specifically pushing

2727
02:37:54,959 --> 02:38:00,120
Speaker 4: back against that due to his fight against immigration and

2728
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:03,680
Speaker 4: saying that persons of coming across the border and having

2729
02:38:03,800 --> 02:38:07,600
Speaker 4: children AND and then being us citizens is contributing to

2730
02:38:07,720 --> 02:38:11,400
Speaker 4: the immigration problem and that they ARE not citizens are

2731
02:38:12,520 --> 02:38:16,000
Speaker 4: i don't see that being used against us for any.

2732
02:38:16,080 --> 02:38:20,000
Speaker 4: NUMBER of legal reasons i don't see that the attempt to,

2733
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:25,440
Speaker 4: take AWAY birthright, CITIZENSHIP which i pose i, Personally LEGALLY

2734
02:38:25,520 --> 02:38:30,840
Speaker 4: opposed that and i don't see that being applied. LAWFULLY

2735
02:38:30,920 --> 02:38:34,560
Speaker 4: applied TO us i would i wouldn't put any attempt

2736
02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:38,080
Speaker 4: at anything At Any. Time past donald. Trump HE'LL try

2737
02:38:38,200 --> 02:38:42,760
Speaker 4: anything but i don't see an incredible legal attack coming

2738
02:38:42,800 --> 02:38:49,440
Speaker 4: against black people for for, for on CITIZENSHIP basis and

2739
02:38:49,680 --> 02:38:54,279
Speaker 4: and i don't even see his birthright citizenship. Effort ultimately

2740
02:38:54,400 --> 02:38:59,040
Speaker 4: being successful you, got to keep out you got to

2741
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:00,720
Speaker 4: keep our intendance up in anything.

2742
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:01,440
Speaker 3: With, this guy.

2743
02:39:02,840 --> 02:39:06,320
Speaker 20: Exactly now do You Think That The United States Supreme Court.

2744
02:39:06,640 --> 02:39:09,959
Speaker 20: CHIEF justice, john roberts i mean, in, addition to saying

2745
02:39:10,040 --> 02:39:11,800
Speaker 20: hey you have to be born here, to be a

2746
02:39:12,320 --> 02:39:15,760
Speaker 20: citizen that they might, add some other criteria that you

2747
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:19,400
Speaker 20: have to add, some type, of documentation an application or

2748
02:39:19,480 --> 02:39:22,040
Speaker 20: something else that would apply to All People, in the

2749
02:39:22,200 --> 02:39:25,280
Speaker 20: united States not just the, latinos of the immigrants and

2750
02:39:25,440 --> 02:39:28,359
Speaker 20: that could be the way that. It affects our people.

2751
02:39:30,680 --> 02:39:30,880
Speaker 17: We have.

2752
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:33,040
Speaker 4: To watch the case we have. To Watch the case

2753
02:39:34,440 --> 02:39:38,279
Speaker 4: supreme court is Rubber Stamp many, of donald trump's actions

2754
02:39:38,360 --> 02:39:42,080
Speaker 4: but they've also checked. Him ON a few and i

2755
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:44,720
Speaker 4: don't know if he's gonna win. On this birthright citizenship,

2756
02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:48,480
Speaker 4: now if you're saying if you're saying that it might,

2757
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:54,120
Speaker 4: come with some, procedures some additional. PROCEDURES but it might

2758
02:39:54,280 --> 02:39:56,840
Speaker 4: i have to. See WHAT they do but i don't

2759
02:39:56,879 --> 02:39:59,560
Speaker 4: see that as. BEING applied to us i don't. SEE

2760
02:39:59,600 --> 02:40:02,879
Speaker 4: that apply us i think our situation is is Addressed

2761
02:40:02,959 --> 02:40:08,600
Speaker 4: under the fourteenth amendment and other congressional actions that in

2762
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:12,080
Speaker 4: our history that would not subject us. TO a citizenship

2763
02:40:12,760 --> 02:40:16,560
Speaker 4: attack i don't think black people is goin to come

2764
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:21,760
Speaker 4: under attack for their, citizenship in any way at least

2765
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:23,880
Speaker 4: that's A. REAL threat to us I don't know, what

2766
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:26,359
Speaker 4: TRUMP will do but i don't see it it passing.

2767
02:40:26,520 --> 02:40:29,240
Speaker 4: Muster ON any level but. I, get, your point.

2768
02:40:30,080 --> 02:40:30,760
Speaker 9: Oh okay thank.

2769
02:40:30,800 --> 02:40:33,840
Speaker 20: You trying the, RELIGION one last question i Actually Have

2770
02:40:33,959 --> 02:40:38,800
Speaker 20: a potential supreme court case regarding the issue. Of Secret

2771
02:40:38,840 --> 02:40:41,720
Speaker 20: warrantless surveillance and i've heard you give out. Your email

2772
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:43,640
Speaker 20: and number could? You Give that again and i'd like

2773
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:45,800
Speaker 20: to get in contact with you to at least present

2774
02:40:45,879 --> 02:40:48,120
Speaker 20: it to you and some other. Black lawyers for.

2775
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:58,480
Speaker 4: Review attorney, at t R Any attorney dot shabbas saha

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02:40:58,959 --> 02:41:03,080
Speaker 4: be as in black a zebra zebra. At yahoo Dot

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02:41:03,160 --> 02:41:07,400
Speaker 4: com Attorney do shabbaz. At, YAHOO dot com uh i,

2778
02:41:07,480 --> 02:41:10,480
Speaker 4: can't make any promises but tended to me and uh

2779
02:41:11,360 --> 02:41:14,000
Speaker 4: and we take. A, look at it okay, thank.

2780
02:41:14,040 --> 02:41:14,480
Speaker 8: YOU so much.

2781
02:41:14,480 --> 02:41:15,600
Speaker 10: Sir i appreciate it thank.

2782
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:17,160
Speaker 4: You, by the call okay.

2783
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:20,360
Speaker 1: Let's keep moving to twenty seven. Of The Top There

2784
02:41:20,520 --> 02:41:23,040
Speaker 1: ericson forrest milly's online three Has A Question for Attorney.

2785
02:41:23,160 --> 02:41:26,760
Speaker 1: Lake shabaz grand rising eric Your question For. Attorneyment malik.

2786
02:41:28,040 --> 02:41:30,680
Speaker 21: Grand, rising first of All thank you mister nelson for

2787
02:41:30,760 --> 02:41:32,640
Speaker 21: taking My call and grand rising.

2788
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:33,440
Speaker 4: To You. As.

2789
02:41:33,480 --> 02:41:35,640
Speaker 6: Well mister, Shabaz uh you.

2790
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:39,480
Speaker 21: Know i've been kind of, like Following The uh the

2791
02:41:39,640 --> 02:41:43,560
Speaker 21: keif porter situation because it's getting little attention versus The.

2792
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:45,640
Speaker 21: Other one in, Minnesota, and.

2793
02:41:46,440 --> 02:41:48,720
Speaker 7: You know uh this this.

2794
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:51,640
Speaker 21: Agent was, off duty you know he was off duty

2795
02:41:51,720 --> 02:41:55,840
Speaker 21: when He He. Killed the keith porter, AND my you

2796
02:41:55,920 --> 02:41:59,400
Speaker 21: KNOW i think that lapd could have locked him up

2797
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:01,840
Speaker 21: or should have lock them up right. There on the

2798
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:04,760
Speaker 21: scene the family appears to be at a loss as

2799
02:42:05,640 --> 02:42:09,880
Speaker 21: any information from the city council or the mayor or.

2800
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:13,480
Speaker 21: The chief of police and, my question is uh in

2801
02:42:13,560 --> 02:42:16,520
Speaker 21: a situation like that or any it could HAPPEN here

2802
02:42:16,560 --> 02:42:19,800
Speaker 21: IN d c where i don't know the police could

2803
02:42:19,879 --> 02:42:23,520
Speaker 21: have and should have lock up a federal AGENT and

2804
02:42:23,640 --> 02:42:26,400
Speaker 21: that that i know that. Can be could happen but

2805
02:42:28,160 --> 02:42:33,520
Speaker 21: does the family have any recourse in and getting ANY JUSTIN.

2806
02:42:33,640 --> 02:42:36,600
Speaker 21: SUING BOTH l a t d for fair what they

2807
02:42:36,680 --> 02:42:39,920
Speaker 21: didn't do and as well as uh. The SAIDs as well.

2808
02:42:40,440 --> 02:42:41,640
Speaker 21: And that's my question.

2809
02:42:44,200 --> 02:42:46,920
Speaker 4: I'm. Looking, at this case uh it's Just this is

2810
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:52,039
Speaker 4: a keith supporter who's killed by an off duty Ice, Agent,

2811
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:58,520
Speaker 4: in north ridge california and. That's that's very unfortunate what was?

2812
02:42:58,560 --> 02:42:59,760
Speaker 4: Your what's your question.

2813
02:43:00,560 --> 02:43:04,240
Speaker 21: Who on, my question is uh mister is uh that

2814
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:07,800
Speaker 21: does The, family have uphill well obviously they got an

2815
02:43:07,840 --> 02:43:11,800
Speaker 21: UPHILL BATTLE ensuing BOTH. L a p, d because you

2816
02:43:11,879 --> 02:43:14,000
Speaker 21: know they had to have come on the scene and

2817
02:43:14,280 --> 02:43:17,160
Speaker 21: uh looked at looked at him because it was it

2818
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:21,840
Speaker 21: was information was, divulged that he, came he went back

2819
02:43:22,040 --> 02:43:24,120
Speaker 21: he sawt Of he saw mister port out there shooting his,

2820
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:26,360
Speaker 21: gun in the air and then he went back in

2821
02:43:26,680 --> 02:43:29,240
Speaker 21: put his uniform on as if that's, gonna make a

2822
02:43:29,360 --> 02:43:32,280
Speaker 21: difference and then came Out and confronted mister porter. And

2823
02:43:32,440 --> 02:43:35,560
Speaker 21: obviously killed him and, so my my point my question

2824
02:43:35,720 --> 02:43:40,600
Speaker 21: is this, Is does the family uh should the FAMILY

2825
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:44,440
Speaker 21: SUE shoot both L a p d for? Not locking

2826
02:43:44,520 --> 02:43:49,520
Speaker 21: him up and uh Also uh the fast. Ice agent

2827
02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:51,199
Speaker 21: as well.

2828
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:57,560
Speaker 4: All you got. Some tough facts here you got. Some

2829
02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:02,760
Speaker 4: tough Facts here uh uh uh him shooting the. Gun

2830
02:44:02,879 --> 02:44:07,800
Speaker 4: in the airs uh that that's that's one tough, fact

2831
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:12,520
Speaker 4: because you know you just just in regular police and

2832
02:44:12,600 --> 02:44:18,600
Speaker 4: you're stepping into the, range or qualified immunity and and

2833
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:22,720
Speaker 4: then you're talking about the failure of the police to

2834
02:44:22,879 --> 02:44:27,600
Speaker 4: act or, or to do something which is which is which. Is,

2835
02:44:27,720 --> 02:44:33,400
Speaker 4: which is problematic normally police departments are not held liable

2836
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:39,480
Speaker 4: for what. They fail, to do uh well they're normally

2837
02:44:39,600 --> 02:44:44,160
Speaker 4: for failure to either investigate or failure to arrest or failure.

2838
02:44:44,240 --> 02:44:48,440
Speaker 4: To take a action is is, what police officers are

2839
02:44:49,240 --> 02:44:55,600
Speaker 4: and cities are. Normally shielded, from LIABILITY uh so so i,

2840
02:44:55,680 --> 02:44:58,800
Speaker 4: got to look careful. More careful at this but you say.

2841
02:44:58,879 --> 02:45:03,400
Speaker 21: Nothing in that case you know this in my my

2842
02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:06,640
Speaker 21: eyesight being a law, enforcement with you know. Being in

2843
02:45:06,760 --> 02:45:11,640
Speaker 21: law enforcement uh this this agent actually uh was just.

2844
02:45:11,720 --> 02:45:14,000
Speaker 21: LIKE a regular citizen i mean he took he took

2845
02:45:14,040 --> 02:45:18,240
Speaker 21: big landing approach. TOWARD the mister porter i mean he

2846
02:45:18,360 --> 02:45:21,760
Speaker 21: came in and. He was off duty he's NOT even

2847
02:45:21,840 --> 02:45:25,119
Speaker 21: A l a. T d or anything so that's that's

2848
02:45:25,280 --> 02:45:26,400
Speaker 21: that's that's the confusion.

2849
02:45:26,480 --> 02:45:26,720
Speaker 9: Part.

2850
02:45:26,800 --> 02:45:27,400
Speaker 16: OF it TOO.

2851
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:32,200
Speaker 4: Oh I mean i don't I don't support the i

2852
02:45:32,280 --> 02:45:35,400
Speaker 4: don't support, the officer that's action and don't, support off

2853
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:38,480
Speaker 4: duty ice on duty ICE nor THE. L a, P

2854
02:45:38,680 --> 02:45:40,199
Speaker 4: d but uh.

2855
02:45:41,800 --> 02:45:42,000
Speaker 3: I'm.

2856
02:45:42,040 --> 02:45:45,119
Speaker 4: JUST saying, we can't, i mean JUST this that's. All,

2857
02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:48,400
Speaker 4: i can SAY first and then i do want to

2858
02:45:48,480 --> 02:45:51,040
Speaker 4: say that. THAT'S hard for me i don't want to

2859
02:45:51,160 --> 02:45:54,240
Speaker 4: kindly condemn. Any not even condemned it's hard for me

2860
02:45:54,360 --> 02:45:59,480
Speaker 4: to criticize any black man. Shot By law enforcement but

2861
02:45:59,879 --> 02:46:02,800
Speaker 4: i'm just, saying as just, prior as, men here as

2862
02:46:02,879 --> 02:46:06,680
Speaker 4: brothers just we got a you shooting a gun, as

2863
02:46:06,720 --> 02:46:08,840
Speaker 4: a black man you shooting a gun in. The air

2864
02:46:08,879 --> 02:46:11,120
Speaker 4: out here, if you're gonna shoot if you're, gonna shoot

2865
02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:14,560
Speaker 4: a weapon you better have a lawful purpose and reason for, why,

2866
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:20,119
Speaker 4: you're shooting it because uh just just as, a as

2867
02:46:20,160 --> 02:46:24,040
Speaker 4: a presumption shooting a, gun in the ass that's not

2868
02:46:24,120 --> 02:46:26,600
Speaker 4: gonna lead. To a good result i'm not saying that.

2869
02:46:26,680 --> 02:46:29,199
Speaker 4: The police were right i'm not saying that, they're Protected

2870
02:46:29,280 --> 02:46:32,760
Speaker 4: by anything but, i'm just saying here as, black men

2871
02:46:32,879 --> 02:46:35,840
Speaker 4: in society we're not gonna get away with with shooting.

2872
02:46:35,920 --> 02:46:38,840
Speaker 4: Guns in the ass if a black man pulls a gun,

2873
02:46:38,959 --> 02:46:42,080
Speaker 4: out to shoot it he better be willing to shoot

2874
02:46:42,120 --> 02:46:43,840
Speaker 4: it with a with a with a good cause and

2875
02:46:43,920 --> 02:46:46,080
Speaker 4: a purpose that he's gonna be willing to stand by in.

2876
02:46:46,120 --> 02:46:49,920
Speaker 4: The court, Of law so uh i'm looking At THIS

2877
02:46:50,120 --> 02:46:53,560
Speaker 4: case and i'm i feel, sorry for this, case but

2878
02:46:53,800 --> 02:46:58,960
Speaker 4: uh uh it. WOULDN'T be my case i just had

2879
02:46:59,000 --> 02:47:02,119
Speaker 4: to be. Straight up With it wouldn't be it wouldn't

2880
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:05,320
Speaker 4: be my CASE that THAT that i would i would.

2881
02:47:05,360 --> 02:47:06,000
Speaker 4: Stand UP for.

2882
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:06,320
Speaker 9: HIM but.

2883
02:47:06,400 --> 02:47:07,640
Speaker 4: I don't i don't i don't know if this IS

2884
02:47:07,720 --> 02:47:10,000
Speaker 4: the case that i will. Be pursuing in court it's

2885
02:47:10,040 --> 02:47:13,119
Speaker 4: got a lot. Of obstacles, to it, all right thank

2886
02:47:13,160 --> 02:47:15,800
Speaker 4: you thank you for. Your talking about weight I'm. Sorry

2887
02:47:15,879 --> 02:47:16,760
Speaker 4: for mister porter.

2888
02:47:17,360 --> 02:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Right eight hundred four or five zero, seventy eight seventy

2889
02:47:20,240 --> 02:47:22,360
Speaker 1: six twenty seven minutes away from the top Of Let's

2890
02:47:22,360 --> 02:47:24,840
Speaker 1: go to la. Docs waiting for us He's On line

2891
02:47:24,920 --> 02:47:28,320
Speaker 1: four grand rising doct Question For, Attorney Of League, SHAPIZ.

2892
02:47:29,760 --> 02:47:32,080
Speaker 8: Grand, Rising colin i Saw, i'm Alacer brother.

2893
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:37,400
Speaker 4: Malie while, lincolm salon, All right All Right.

2894
02:47:37,440 --> 02:47:40,080
Speaker 8: I'M into Las Vegas I told Kevin La, i'm IN

2895
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:42,840
Speaker 8: las vegas and i, just, want to say man a

2896
02:47:42,959 --> 02:47:43,280
Speaker 8: breath of.

2897
02:47:43,360 --> 02:47:44,039
Speaker 7: Fresh AIR this.

2898
02:47:44,200 --> 02:47:50,320
Speaker 8: Morning because i ended up getting a, degree in educational

2899
02:47:50,440 --> 02:47:55,240
Speaker 8: leadership a. Doctor in educational leadership but my ultimate gold

2900
02:47:55,320 --> 02:47:58,440
Speaker 8: growing up as A, LITTLE boy in washington dc was.

2901
02:47:58,600 --> 02:48:00,440
Speaker 6: To become an attorney.

2902
02:48:01,640 --> 02:48:04,120
Speaker 8: So when the brother called in and said he was

2903
02:48:04,160 --> 02:48:07,520
Speaker 8: thinking about, going to law school it really made me.

2904
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:12,520
Speaker 8: Think About nearly fuller, how I'm still learning and i'm

2905
02:48:12,720 --> 02:48:18,760
Speaker 8: seventy about, the Turn seventy one and i'm thinking seriously

2906
02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:20,039
Speaker 8: about giving some thought.

2907
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:22,280
Speaker 6: To a tax attorney?

2908
02:48:23,879 --> 02:48:24,080
Speaker 7: What's?

2909
02:48:24,200 --> 02:48:29,360
Speaker 4: Thoughts, on that brother okay you said you want you

2910
02:48:29,600 --> 02:48:31,680
Speaker 4: looking for a tax attorney or you want what did you?

2911
02:48:31,720 --> 02:48:34,840
Speaker 4: SAY about, Tax attorney i said i'm.

2912
02:48:34,760 --> 02:48:41,000
Speaker 8: Thinking about pursuing, becoming a tax. Attorney going, to laws.

2913
02:48:41,160 --> 02:48:46,680
Speaker 4: That's interesting that's interesting? WHY why that's interesting i support you,

2914
02:48:46,800 --> 02:48:49,439
Speaker 4: going to law school? But, Why tax attorney.

2915
02:48:50,640 --> 02:48:54,360
Speaker 8: Well i'm having some second thoughts about the taxes and

2916
02:48:54,480 --> 02:48:59,519
Speaker 8: the tax laws and the whole thing, of about paying taxes.

2917
02:49:01,680 --> 02:49:02,360
Speaker 6: About why, we.

2918
02:49:02,360 --> 02:49:05,520
Speaker 8: Should pay, Jaxes why we, shouldn't and you KNOW growing

2919
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:08,280
Speaker 8: up in dt and paying federal judges, BUT not having

2920
02:49:08,360 --> 02:49:10,280
Speaker 8: representations i never.

2921
02:49:10,480 --> 02:49:11,280
Speaker 7: Was, OKAY with that.

2922
02:49:14,440 --> 02:49:18,720
Speaker 4: Well, i, would say this brother, to a certain extent

2923
02:49:18,920 --> 02:49:22,040
Speaker 4: law is. A labor of love law is. A labor

2924
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:26,440
Speaker 4: of love and, if that's your passion and that's scenario you,

2925
02:49:26,520 --> 02:49:29,760
Speaker 4: want to take on and you're willing to study and

2926
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:32,920
Speaker 4: work for. A go for it, if that's your. Passion

2927
02:49:33,080 --> 02:49:36,800
Speaker 4: GO for it because i like nothing better than seeing

2928
02:49:37,360 --> 02:49:40,080
Speaker 4: a black, man study his, law know his law and

2929
02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:44,320
Speaker 4: if he's able to step in that, courtroom either comparton

2930
02:49:44,360 --> 02:49:48,160
Speaker 4: me either as a. Lawyer or pro see i'm impressed

2931
02:49:48,200 --> 02:49:50,520
Speaker 4: when a black man knows his law and. Has his stuff,

2932
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:54,760
Speaker 4: TOGETHER so in general i. Say go for it and

2933
02:49:54,920 --> 02:49:57,440
Speaker 4: it's encouraging to hear two brothers here who say that

2934
02:49:57,480 --> 02:50:00,720
Speaker 4: they want to become lawyers and whatever, age, And so

2935
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:04,240
Speaker 4: so brother i'm throwing you, A blackfist up too i.

2936
02:50:04,360 --> 02:50:07,640
Speaker 4: Say go, for it you know law is. Not easy

2937
02:50:07,720 --> 02:50:12,600
Speaker 4: out here laws it's. A very important profession but, like

2938
02:50:12,680 --> 02:50:14,800
Speaker 4: if you look if you, just google it online the

2939
02:50:14,879 --> 02:50:17,760
Speaker 4: average lawyer salary And the state of maryland is a

2940
02:50:17,879 --> 02:50:21,520
Speaker 4: one hundred and nineteen. Thousand dollars a year average Lawyer

2941
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:25,280
Speaker 4: Salary in The united states of america somewhere around one

2942
02:50:25,400 --> 02:50:27,720
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty, thousand dollars a year one hundred And,

2943
02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:32,560
Speaker 4: fifty thousand. In washington d c normally normally just. For

2944
02:50:32,680 --> 02:50:36,480
Speaker 4: the average lawyer it's not a profession that brings you wealth,

2945
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:41,160
Speaker 4: or makes you rich and so it's a it's often.

2946
02:50:41,240 --> 02:50:43,720
Speaker 4: A labor of love and the, people that are, passionate

2947
02:50:43,920 --> 02:50:49,680
Speaker 4: passionate about. Rights criminal defense rights even, if they, prosecute

2948
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:52,680
Speaker 4: it they prosecutate they're passionate about what they do, and

2949
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:57,760
Speaker 4: prosecuting defending lawyer, and, go for it brother because it's

2950
02:50:57,800 --> 02:51:01,400
Speaker 4: an area of passion. And it takes, work it's not easy.

2951
02:51:01,959 --> 02:51:05,000
Speaker 4: But we need you, so, step on here sir.

2952
02:51:06,120 --> 02:51:08,360
Speaker 1: Right twenty three. Away for the tomp i'm gonna take another,

2953
02:51:08,400 --> 02:51:10,440
Speaker 1: quick Breakout last break and i'm gonna just say this,

2954
02:51:10,959 --> 02:51:13,240
Speaker 1: to him as well that many law schools now, Don't

2955
02:51:13,280 --> 02:51:15,920
Speaker 1: require the alsats. So you good time if you're thinking,

2956
02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:18,039
Speaker 1: about being an attorney it's a good time. To attend,

2957
02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:19,920
Speaker 1: law school in fact you don't have to go to

2958
02:51:20,040 --> 02:51:21,520
Speaker 1: law school. To pass the bar but if you can

2959
02:51:21,560 --> 02:51:24,920
Speaker 1: pass the bar without, going to law school. More power

2960
02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:27,520
Speaker 1: to you eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

2961
02:51:27,640 --> 02:51:29,640
Speaker 1: seventy six of our guests The Founder of The black

2962
02:51:29,720 --> 02:51:32,080
Speaker 1: lawyers For Justice. Name is malik shabaz, you got a

2963
02:51:32,160 --> 02:51:34,160
Speaker 1: question reach out to us at eight hundred four to

2964
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:37,360
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll. Take your

2965
02:51:37,360 --> 02:51:40,360
Speaker 1: Phone Calls next, and grand rising family thanks for rolling

2966
02:51:40,400 --> 02:51:42,280
Speaker 1: With us. On this tuesday morning thanks for starting your.

2967
02:51:42,320 --> 02:51:44,320
Speaker 1: DAY with us again i Guess There. Attorney in elik

2968
02:51:44,360 --> 02:51:46,720
Speaker 1: shabaz he's The Founder of The Black lawyers for justice

2969
02:51:46,840 --> 02:51:48,480
Speaker 1: before we go back to let me just remind you

2970
02:51:48,600 --> 02:51:52,119
Speaker 1: coming up later this week And Hear from a contracosta College. Professor,

2971
02:51:52,120 --> 02:51:55,520
Speaker 1: In Northern California there professor manhu i'm, Pin it's his store. Any,

2972
02:51:55,520 --> 02:52:00,200
Speaker 1: will join us also afrocology professors teachers. Are for The

2973
02:52:00,280 --> 02:52:02,880
Speaker 1: university doctor nol, dove will, be here An economist Doctor

2974
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:05,840
Speaker 1: doctor julian and alvau will also be. With us this

2975
02:52:05,959 --> 02:52:07,680
Speaker 1: week so If, you are in baltimore make sure you

2976
02:52:07,800 --> 02:52:10,200
Speaker 1: keep you radio locked in TIGHT on ten ten wlb

2977
02:52:10,680 --> 02:52:12,920
Speaker 1: or IF you're in the dmv AROUND. FOURTEEN fifty w

2978
02:52:13,400 --> 02:52:15,480
Speaker 1: l a bunch of folks. Are QUESTIONS for you but

2979
02:52:15,760 --> 02:52:17,920
Speaker 1: i know you wanted To Talk about what donald trump

2980
02:52:18,040 --> 02:52:19,960
Speaker 1: Is Doing in the white house and what you think.

2981
02:52:20,080 --> 02:52:21,640
Speaker 1: Our Response should be so i'm going to let you

2982
02:52:22,480 --> 02:52:24,640
Speaker 1: say that first before we get to all these folks

2983
02:52:24,640 --> 02:52:26,520
Speaker 1: who want to. Got, QUESTIONS for you yeah i know

2984
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:26,960
Speaker 1: we don't.

2985
02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:29,720
Speaker 4: HAVE much time left, i Appreciate everybody calling and i'm.

2986
02:52:29,760 --> 02:52:32,440
Speaker 4: HONORED to be on i do Want To say That

2987
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:37,080
Speaker 4: black lawyers for justice, on behalf of us and all

2988
02:52:37,480 --> 02:52:40,120
Speaker 4: and all our lawyers around the country And other groups

2989
02:52:40,160 --> 02:52:48,400
Speaker 4: that i'm, affiliated with Were Unequivocally unequivalently condemned donald trump,

2990
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:56,640
Speaker 4: And His war mongery donald trump and his, attacks on

2991
02:52:56,800 --> 02:53:02,560
Speaker 4: other nations Violating the sovereignty of nigel and Kidnapping, the

2992
02:53:02,760 --> 02:53:10,240
Speaker 4: president of venezuela and his all of his actions Around,

2993
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:16,320
Speaker 4: the world threatening Iran but, uh bombing iran previously look like.

2994
02:53:16,440 --> 02:53:21,039
Speaker 4: He'll bomb now again and. He's he's bombing everywhere he's

2995
02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:25,720
Speaker 4: bombed nine different countries. Since he's been here and so

2996
02:53:25,879 --> 02:53:28,600
Speaker 4: we Want to reiterate the black lawyers for justice and

2997
02:53:28,680 --> 02:53:31,360
Speaker 4: our legal fight for justice here. And across the planet

2998
02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:37,040
Speaker 4: unequivocally can condemn the warmongering and The Illegal, actions of

2999
02:53:37,160 --> 02:53:41,120
Speaker 4: donald trump and specifically what he has done to undermine

3000
02:53:41,320 --> 02:53:46,520
Speaker 4: international law and protocols that have been established to try

3001
02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:50,040
Speaker 4: to make. This a better planet he's, unequivocally Condemned this

3002
02:53:50,280 --> 02:53:54,520
Speaker 4: president and i'm hoping that his power is checked. Sooner rather,

3003
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:55,199
Speaker 4: than later.

3004
02:53:56,760 --> 02:53:58,880
Speaker 1: All right sixteen, Away from the top yardy's. Take some

3005
02:53:58,920 --> 02:54:01,080
Speaker 1: more calls Let's go Out to california in. Malibu to

3006
02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:04,119
Speaker 1: be exact. Christian's waiting for, Us He's Online, too grand

3007
02:54:04,200 --> 02:54:06,280
Speaker 1: rising christian your question for a turning the league ship.

3008
02:54:06,320 --> 02:54:10,480
Speaker 18: BIZZ one and gentleman i just couldn't say to the

3009
02:54:10,760 --> 02:54:12,720
Speaker 18: Previous call of the german that wants, to be a

3010
02:54:12,800 --> 02:54:16,600
Speaker 18: lawyer you're only. Pretty as you. Feel go for it we've.

3011
02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:19,040
Speaker 18: Got NOTHING but time but i was. Calling on this

3012
02:54:19,120 --> 02:54:22,000
Speaker 18: situation we were A, god here in california. Out of

3013
02:54:22,040 --> 02:54:26,760
Speaker 18: the valley he was Shooting His Shotgun the new. Year's

3014
02:54:26,840 --> 02:54:30,320
Speaker 18: eve and midnight if, that's a bad, mistake from my

3015
02:54:30,400 --> 02:54:33,160
Speaker 18: understanding he was a. Father of two kids and the

3016
02:54:33,240 --> 02:54:35,640
Speaker 18: thing about it is is even if he, had never

3017
02:54:35,680 --> 02:54:37,600
Speaker 18: got caught there are people who have been killed from

3018
02:54:37,640 --> 02:54:39,720
Speaker 18: shooting random, bullets of this guy and they've come. Down

3019
02:54:39,720 --> 02:54:42,200
Speaker 18: AND hit people when i, WAS thirteen years old i

3020
02:54:42,320 --> 02:54:44,520
Speaker 18: was coming from a party and about nine feet to

3021
02:54:44,600 --> 02:54:48,720
Speaker 18: my right a bullet came. Down into the street the

3022
02:54:48,840 --> 02:54:54,080
Speaker 18: other thing is this police. Takes sworn an oath if,

3023
02:54:54,120 --> 02:54:56,560
Speaker 18: you're in a restaurant you and your spouse and your

3024
02:54:56,640 --> 02:54:59,320
Speaker 18: family and somebody comes, in with the gun, even, though

3025
02:54:59,360 --> 02:55:02,720
Speaker 18: you're off dudes you have a right to. Intervene in

3026
02:55:02,840 --> 02:55:07,520
Speaker 18: that robbery this is where. They are smalln officers so when,

3027
02:55:07,560 --> 02:55:09,360
Speaker 18: that guy came in because they lived, to the same

3028
02:55:09,440 --> 02:55:12,200
Speaker 18: conflict both of them, in THE same conflict and i.

3029
02:55:12,280 --> 02:55:14,560
Speaker 18: Guess somebody came in one of the neighbors told this

3030
02:55:14,680 --> 02:55:17,160
Speaker 18: guy somebody, shooting in the conflict. And he came out

3031
02:55:17,720 --> 02:55:20,080
Speaker 18: but the thing about it, is for my understanding and

3032
02:55:20,280 --> 02:55:20,600
Speaker 18: you got.

3033
02:55:20,600 --> 02:55:21,280
Speaker 4: To KNOW more.

3034
02:55:21,280 --> 02:55:23,160
Speaker 18: About than i did the guy told me to. Put,

3035
02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:24,280
Speaker 18: the gun down look.

3036
02:55:24,320 --> 02:55:24,920
Speaker 4: It's the new z.

3037
02:55:25,560 --> 02:55:27,600
Speaker 18: You got two kids you shoot me shooting, up IN

3038
02:55:27,640 --> 02:55:29,240
Speaker 18: the sky. AND i have guns. I don't do that

3039
02:55:29,320 --> 02:55:31,760
Speaker 18: i'm not gonna put myself there. Risk on anybody else and.

3040
02:55:31,800 --> 02:55:32,200
Speaker 1: That's what we.

3041
02:55:32,280 --> 02:55:35,400
Speaker 18: Have to be smarter tell, me What. YOU think mister journey.

3042
02:55:38,400 --> 02:55:40,720
Speaker 4: I almost hate, to agree with you but have to.

3043
02:55:40,840 --> 02:55:43,800
Speaker 4: Agree with you here it's rare. You ever hear ME

3044
02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:49,760
Speaker 4: just rare that i go against. The police shooting victim

3045
02:55:49,959 --> 02:55:55,120
Speaker 4: but out of just wisdom of advising my people, and

3046
02:55:55,320 --> 02:55:58,440
Speaker 4: my own training we don't. SHOOT in, the air i

3047
02:55:58,520 --> 02:56:00,440
Speaker 4: mean we just don't. Shoot in the air i'm not

3048
02:56:00,480 --> 02:56:02,560
Speaker 4: saying he. Deserves to be shot i'm not saying it

3049
02:56:02,680 --> 02:56:05,200
Speaker 4: was self defense, or Any of THAT but i'm, but

3050
02:56:05,360 --> 02:56:08,320
Speaker 4: i am, saying as you're saying when that's just, a

3051
02:56:08,600 --> 02:56:11,680
Speaker 4: very irresponsible act when you're just out here shooting. Guns

3052
02:56:11,760 --> 02:56:13,600
Speaker 4: in the air we don't shoot. Guns in the air, if,

3053
02:56:13,600 --> 02:56:16,120
Speaker 4: you're gonna shoot you you better shoot for the right

3054
02:56:16,240 --> 02:56:20,640
Speaker 4: reasons and and for the right causes, at the right. Persons, legally,

3055
02:56:20,680 --> 02:56:24,680
Speaker 4: and lawfully, so uh you know, it's a tough. Case

3056
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:26,760
Speaker 4: but they're lessons. They're lessons, in it you Know we.

3057
02:56:27,000 --> 02:56:29,920
Speaker 4: We in american society this, ain't no free society and

3058
02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:33,200
Speaker 4: we're not gonna. Be GIVING a break so i hate.

3059
02:56:33,240 --> 02:56:35,280
Speaker 4: TO agree, WITH you i Mean i hate to i'm

3060
02:56:35,560 --> 02:56:38,640
Speaker 4: not accustomed to agree, with You On this but i'm.

3061
02:56:39,440 --> 02:56:40,360
Speaker 4: I'm almost forced?

3062
02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:44,640
Speaker 1: To gotcha? All right thank you christian eight hundred four

3063
02:56:44,760 --> 02:56:47,360
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight to Seventy Six go to Atlanta

3064
02:56:47,720 --> 02:56:50,920
Speaker 1: Stanley's Online SIX grand rising Stanley A Question, for Attorning

3065
02:56:50,959 --> 02:56:52,039
Speaker 1: malik Shabaz.

3066
02:56:53,879 --> 02:56:56,560
Speaker 15: Brother maligs and lusa bas. Just A Good brother stan

3067
02:56:56,640 --> 02:57:01,240
Speaker 15: LEVIS Junior N B Tv. National, BLACK chill Region Now I,

3068
02:57:01,320 --> 02:57:04,920
Speaker 15: have express aviation. Academy MY aviation school but i got,

3069
02:57:04,959 --> 02:57:08,240
Speaker 15: a question for. You, MY dear brother uh i want

3070
02:57:08,280 --> 02:57:11,920
Speaker 15: to know who are these black panthers running around here claiming,

3071
02:57:12,000 --> 02:57:13,199
Speaker 15: that they support.

3072
02:57:13,520 --> 02:57:16,040
Speaker 4: Uh these spawners. And these different people?

3073
02:57:16,480 --> 02:57:19,320
Speaker 15: Is that your organization are? You, supporting, these people.

3074
02:57:21,360 --> 02:57:25,480
Speaker 4: Okay boy you. Asking the right questions it's good. To

3075
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:28,400
Speaker 4: talk to you, you're MY longtime brother and. I love

3076
02:57:28,520 --> 02:57:32,040
Speaker 4: your spirit and let's get right to the question as the. Clock, Is,

3077
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:38,800
Speaker 4: running here okay uh these those they're not members of

3078
02:57:38,920 --> 02:57:43,560
Speaker 4: any Black panther group, that i'm affiliated with but there

3079
02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:46,240
Speaker 4: are a lot of black. Panther GROUPS. Out there huey

3080
02:57:46,320 --> 02:57:50,320
Speaker 4: p newton told us famously that the panther, belongs to

3081
02:57:50,480 --> 02:57:53,840
Speaker 4: the people so people have the. Right, to embrace it,

3082
02:57:54,280 --> 02:57:58,240
Speaker 4: now you say foreigners they. Standing, up for foreigners now

3083
02:57:58,320 --> 02:58:02,920
Speaker 4: let's let's. Define what foreign is in order for a person.

3084
02:58:03,080 --> 02:58:06,400
Speaker 4: To be a foreigner THAT means you and i would

3085
02:58:06,480 --> 02:58:10,680
Speaker 4: have to agree That The that the united. States borders

3086
02:58:10,760 --> 02:58:13,760
Speaker 4: are lawful it's the first thing we. Would have to

3087
02:58:13,800 --> 02:58:17,400
Speaker 4: do we would have to say that that that that,

3088
02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:21,760
Speaker 4: that these borders, here these fifty states that we agree,

3089
02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:25,640
Speaker 4: that they are lawful and and we agree with the

3090
02:58:25,720 --> 02:58:28,840
Speaker 4: border patrol. And all OF that and and i don't

3091
02:58:28,879 --> 02:58:32,040
Speaker 4: know if we agree on that Because the history of

3092
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:38,200
Speaker 4: america through the through The the climes that america has

3093
02:58:38,320 --> 02:58:42,040
Speaker 4: committed and taken this land, from the indigenous people and

3094
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:46,520
Speaker 4: And starting war With, mexico to take texas and everything

3095
02:58:46,600 --> 02:58:49,760
Speaker 4: they've done to establish this border has been achieved by

3096
02:58:50,320 --> 02:58:55,840
Speaker 4: by really uh dastardly. Means or Illegal means so so

3097
02:58:55,920 --> 02:59:01,160
Speaker 4: i'm not into the term illegal immigration as there As

3098
02:59:01,240 --> 02:59:06,640
Speaker 4: if As if i'm an american, Citizen to that Degree

3099
02:59:06,840 --> 02:59:10,120
Speaker 4: i'm a captured i'm a captured Prisoner. Of war in

3100
02:59:10,240 --> 02:59:15,040
Speaker 4: america i'm an Ex. Slave HERE in america but, i

3101
02:59:15,120 --> 02:59:19,119
Speaker 4: can't necessarily sit appearance. And Act Like that THE border

3102
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:22,520
Speaker 4: patrol and i are. On the Same side So So, I'm.

3103
02:59:22,560 --> 02:59:26,360
Speaker 4: FROM los angeles california i grew up in the city

3104
02:59:26,440 --> 02:59:31,320
Speaker 4: With a large, brown spanish speaking population and With, Brown

3105
02:59:31,440 --> 02:59:35,720
Speaker 4: people from mexico. Venezuela AND all over so i know

3106
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:38,200
Speaker 4: some black people on here are going, to DISAGREE with

3107
02:59:38,400 --> 02:59:41,920
Speaker 4: me but i don't see the brown. PEOPLE as my

3108
02:59:42,280 --> 02:59:46,040
Speaker 4: enemy i didn't. GROW up like that i don't even

3109
02:59:46,120 --> 02:59:48,520
Speaker 4: see it like that right now for. Any number Of

3110
02:59:48,640 --> 02:59:52,360
Speaker 4: reasons and so i'm not mad at another black panther

3111
02:59:52,520 --> 02:59:55,640
Speaker 4: group if they say THEY. STAND up against ICE i

3112
02:59:55,680 --> 02:59:59,959
Speaker 4: don't see ice as being our friend black people again.

3113
03:00:00,080 --> 03:00:05,119
Speaker 4: AND some FOREIGN enemy i see ice as a Political

3114
03:00:05,720 --> 03:00:10,280
Speaker 4: Military police that donald trump is putting out there in

3115
03:00:10,440 --> 03:00:14,199
Speaker 4: the streets and in the community that are committing any host,

3116
03:00:14,280 --> 03:00:18,200
Speaker 4: of violation of rights some of which are against Black.

3117
03:00:18,280 --> 03:00:21,879
Speaker 4: People who speak spanish many black People who are from

3118
03:00:22,000 --> 03:00:26,000
Speaker 4: dominica and other areas. That, Are becoming victim now i'm

3119
03:00:26,040 --> 03:00:28,360
Speaker 4: hoping you don't see. Them as foreign either i'm hoping

3120
03:00:28,400 --> 03:00:32,000
Speaker 4: that you're Not saying that My dominican or my Cuban or,

3121
03:00:32,600 --> 03:00:38,000
Speaker 4: my black venezuela brother. That they are foreigners also, because

3122
03:00:38,400 --> 03:00:41,439
Speaker 4: other than that we'll be Saying that. We Are american

3123
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:44,480
Speaker 4: citizens and i'm here to, tell YOU this brother that

3124
03:00:44,920 --> 03:00:48,440
Speaker 4: macga don't view Us as. No Co american citizens donald

3125
03:00:48,480 --> 03:00:50,760
Speaker 4: trump and his crowd does not View us as the.

3126
03:00:50,920 --> 03:00:55,640
Speaker 4: American brothers and Sisters so and so i'm not mad

3127
03:00:55,720 --> 03:00:58,879
Speaker 4: at a black panther, group for a pole For standing

3128
03:00:59,000 --> 03:01:02,640
Speaker 4: up for ice. And me and you we wasn't. Trained

3129
03:01:02,760 --> 03:01:04,520
Speaker 4: like that man. We are for all we are for

3130
03:01:04,680 --> 03:01:09,120
Speaker 4: the liberation, of all oppressed people and we're for the

3131
03:01:09,240 --> 03:01:18,359
Speaker 4: Liberation of, Them from american, Imperialism american. NEO colonialism, american

3132
03:01:18,480 --> 03:01:22,800
Speaker 4: aggression i mean that's what all the logical thinking oppressed

3133
03:01:22,840 --> 03:01:26,640
Speaker 4: people are standing. For in this hour they are standing

3134
03:01:26,720 --> 03:01:33,560
Speaker 4: together Against the abuses Of America. Headed by donald trump

3135
03:01:34,400 --> 03:01:37,360
Speaker 4: and that is the correct moral. Position in this hour

3136
03:01:37,480 --> 03:01:40,560
Speaker 4: we are not to stand with the illegalities that are

3137
03:01:40,600 --> 03:01:43,640
Speaker 4: Being Perpetrated by. The united states government we Are THE,

3138
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:47,640
Speaker 4: Stand As, Malcolm x Marcus garvey lewis, Far Khan, Called,

3139
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:51,600
Speaker 4: It Mohammad Kwame, terray john henry clark and. A, host

3140
03:01:51,680 --> 03:01:55,360
Speaker 4: of others man we, are a world people and we

3141
03:01:55,640 --> 03:01:59,040
Speaker 4: know who, the enemy of freedom justice and equality. Is

3142
03:01:59,320 --> 03:02:03,440
Speaker 4: in this world and he Sits At. Sixteen hundred pennsylvania

3143
03:02:03,520 --> 03:02:07,560
Speaker 4: avenue that's where our. Criticism needs To Belonged, It Is Donald.

3144
03:02:08,240 --> 03:02:12,120
Speaker 4: Madman maga man trump that's the number, one, enemy of

3145
03:02:12,280 --> 03:02:16,800
Speaker 4: freedom justice equality and normal. Relations on the planet.

3146
03:02:18,400 --> 03:02:20,720
Speaker 1: That family. Was a teachable moment that was some Real

3147
03:02:20,840 --> 03:02:23,720
Speaker 1: Talk There from attorney elite shabaz seven away from the

3148
03:02:23,800 --> 03:02:25,520
Speaker 1: top of the al though eight hundred four or five

3149
03:02:25,640 --> 03:02:28,720
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. To speak to Him abdul's

3150
03:02:28,760 --> 03:02:31,600
Speaker 1: Calls from forestville. And maryland is, Online, three grand rising

3151
03:02:31,640 --> 03:02:33,560
Speaker 1: abdul can you make it Quick Your Question for attorney,

3152
03:02:33,560 --> 03:02:34,199
Speaker 1: eleague shabaz.

3153
03:02:34,720 --> 03:02:38,320
Speaker 22: REAL quickly work quickly I Want to thank attorney shabbaz

3154
03:02:38,400 --> 03:02:41,240
Speaker 22: for being so encouraging to the people who. WANT to

3155
03:02:41,320 --> 03:02:45,360
Speaker 22: become attorneys i think that it's probably symptomatic, of wanting

3156
03:02:45,440 --> 03:02:49,520
Speaker 22: to fight and these times. That CALLS for fighters but

3157
03:02:49,600 --> 03:02:52,440
Speaker 22: i would also ask him to give people who want

3158
03:02:52,480 --> 03:02:56,480
Speaker 22: to be an attorney a. Little dose of reality explain

3159
03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:59,520
Speaker 22: TO them that the lsat is about the speed that

3160
03:02:59,640 --> 03:03:02,480
Speaker 22: it takes. To answer those questions you don't have enough

3161
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:04,360
Speaker 22: time to just sit down. And figure it out you

3162
03:03:04,440 --> 03:03:06,800
Speaker 22: have to go and move about. A minute per question

3163
03:03:07,440 --> 03:03:11,600
Speaker 22: explain to them that law school requires you to read volumes,

3164
03:03:11,680 --> 03:03:14,640
Speaker 22: and volumes of materials and then you get one test

3165
03:03:15,120 --> 03:03:18,920
Speaker 22: per semester on everything that you've learned for the last four,

3166
03:03:18,959 --> 03:03:21,480
Speaker 22: and a half months and then you do that for five.

3167
03:03:21,560 --> 03:03:24,680
Speaker 22: Subjects at a time not to mention that the difficulty.

3168
03:03:24,720 --> 03:03:27,760
Speaker 22: Of THE bar exam so i wouldn't want to set

3169
03:03:27,840 --> 03:03:30,080
Speaker 22: people up to sale to think that every seventy year

3170
03:03:30,120 --> 03:03:32,160
Speaker 22: old man can go and start and pick up the.

3171
03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:33,600
Speaker 22: Kind of study have this doesn't.

3172
03:03:33,400 --> 03:03:33,680
Speaker 4: Take you to.

3173
03:03:33,720 --> 03:03:36,520
Speaker 22: Graduate FROM law school but i do want to encourage

3174
03:03:36,560 --> 03:03:38,600
Speaker 22: them to say that the here's a, role in the

3175
03:03:38,680 --> 03:03:42,760
Speaker 22: fight but maybe not as. An attorney these days that's

3176
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Speaker 22: kind of a.

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Speaker 6: Nice, hop, with you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir in a word your points are. Your POINTS

3179
03:03:51,640 --> 03:03:57,040
Speaker 4: are important but i still say that anybody that's interested

3180
03:03:57,560 --> 03:04:01,119
Speaker 4: in law should should drive through it. And plow through

3181
03:04:01,160 --> 03:04:04,680
Speaker 4: it whether it's the, law school interest exam which is

3182
03:04:05,320 --> 03:04:08,360
Speaker 4: which is, based on conceptual thinking it's you're trying to

3183
03:04:08,400 --> 03:04:12,920
Speaker 4: get you straight on your concepts there and and law school. And,

3184
03:04:13,080 --> 03:04:16,680
Speaker 4: passing the bar uh don't. Be intimidated by it don't.

3185
03:04:16,720 --> 03:04:17,840
Speaker 4: BE intimidated by it.

3186
03:04:19,480 --> 03:04:20,400
Speaker 3: I still.

3187
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Speaker 4: Say go for it there's there's nothing like that feeling

3188
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:26,800
Speaker 4: of being. Able to help somebody there's nothing like that

3189
03:04:27,000 --> 03:04:31,320
Speaker 4: feeling of of going into that courtroom and going in,

3190
03:04:31,400 --> 03:04:33,320
Speaker 4: front of that judge or going in, front of that

3191
03:04:33,480 --> 03:04:36,920
Speaker 4: jury or or handling that, matter with that prosecutor or

3192
03:04:37,520 --> 03:04:41,160
Speaker 4: handling that matter with with, with whoever it is defend

3193
03:04:41,240 --> 03:04:45,240
Speaker 4: an insurance company or whatever and. Representing. Somebody in need

3194
03:04:45,560 --> 03:04:49,160
Speaker 4: uh and it takes work and it takes a. Talent

3195
03:04:49,280 --> 03:04:52,440
Speaker 4: to do it, SO so so yeah, i get you

3196
03:04:52,560 --> 03:04:56,760
Speaker 4: saying don't. Be idealistic about, IT but but anyway i still,

3197
03:04:56,879 --> 03:04:59,680
Speaker 4: recommend it highly man push through it and do it because.

3198
03:05:00,320 --> 03:05:04,720
Speaker 4: Because we, need it thank, You push through, it push,

3199
03:05:04,760 --> 03:05:07,280
Speaker 4: through it. My brother? Bless you all right.

3200
03:05:07,280 --> 03:05:10,440
Speaker 1: Thanks eight hundred four or five zero. Seventy eight seventy

3201
03:05:10,480 --> 03:05:12,160
Speaker 1: six you've got, A got a Minute so stand in

3202
03:05:12,280 --> 03:05:14,760
Speaker 1: chicago On life for stan can you make a question

3203
03:05:14,879 --> 03:05:15,120
Speaker 1: Quick For.

3204
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Speaker 7: A turn millition center there's one thousand ninety Five days less.

3205
03:05:18,440 --> 03:05:21,959
Speaker 7: For trump in office is this permanent or there's.

3206
03:05:21,760 --> 03:05:24,039
Speaker 10: Gonna be somebody? Doing something about this? Like who's?

3207
03:05:24,040 --> 03:05:25,199
Speaker 6: Sitting back and why why.

3208
03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:26,200
Speaker 7: Do right sit? Back and WATCH it.

3209
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Speaker 20: That's, all i, got well.

3210
03:05:29,680 --> 03:05:32,560
Speaker 4: We'll see we'll see it's supposed that his term is

3211
03:05:32,640 --> 03:05:35,640
Speaker 4: supposed to. END in two years i guess we're gonna.

3212
03:05:35,640 --> 03:05:39,080
Speaker 4: Conclude around this time this term supposed to end in

3213
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:43,959
Speaker 4: two years or two and a half more years, if,

3214
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:49,840
Speaker 4: he makes it uh for. Any number of reasons he

3215
03:05:50,640 --> 03:05:54,800
Speaker 4: is supposed to have a referendum here at the midterm Election.

3216
03:05:55,520 --> 03:05:59,720
Speaker 4: Coming up this november depends on. How his party does

3217
03:06:00,400 --> 03:06:03,680
Speaker 4: will be a referendum on whether he even has support.

3218
03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:06,200
Speaker 4: For his craze age and we'll see how many of

3219
03:06:06,320 --> 03:06:09,760
Speaker 4: his whether he Retains control over The house and the

3220
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:15,400
Speaker 4: senate and all. The arms of government so that's gonna be. A,

3221
03:06:15,520 --> 03:06:18,680
Speaker 4: referendum on him now he has other tricks up his

3222
03:06:18,879 --> 03:06:22,080
Speaker 4: sleeve which he's may try to enact, to stay in

3223
03:06:22,280 --> 03:06:27,920
Speaker 4: power including the use of. WAR and warfare abroad i don't,

3224
03:06:27,920 --> 03:06:33,160
Speaker 4: put anything past him and the people must not suffer.

3225
03:06:33,240 --> 03:06:35,960
Speaker 4: Any longer under him and this is not Being, Spoken

3226
03:06:36,040 --> 03:06:38,920
Speaker 4: by a democrat this is just being spoken by by just.

3227
03:06:39,280 --> 03:06:42,760
Speaker 4: A person of justice this guy's got to go by.

3228
03:06:43,640 --> 03:06:47,760
Speaker 4: All LOGICAL means necessary and. I COULDN'T wait sooner and

3229
03:06:47,800 --> 03:06:51,080
Speaker 4: i don't. Put anything past him and he's a true,

3230
03:06:51,280 --> 03:06:55,760
Speaker 4: enemy to all freedom justice and Equality loving people in america.

3231
03:06:55,920 --> 03:06:58,920
Speaker 4: And on the planet i've never seen anything. Worse in,

3232
03:06:59,080 --> 03:07:02,879
Speaker 4: my lifetime and uh and that's the that's. THE way

3233
03:07:02,920 --> 03:07:06,640
Speaker 4: it is i understand your feelings, and everybody else's FEELINGS

3234
03:07:06,680 --> 03:07:08,960
Speaker 4: and and and i don't think.

3235
03:07:09,000 --> 03:07:09,160
Speaker 3: It's.

3236
03:07:09,200 --> 03:07:12,960
Speaker 4: Gonna last FOREVER person that's all. I, GOT to say okay.

3237
03:07:12,959 --> 03:07:14,600
Speaker 4: I want to stay giving MY number. Out before I

3238
03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:18,279
Speaker 4: go thank brother carl for letting me on this' Is. Attorney,

3239
03:07:18,360 --> 03:07:22,400
Speaker 4: MY league shabbaz yes i do personal INJURY and and. Other,

3240
03:07:22,560 --> 03:07:26,560
Speaker 4: I mean apartment yes i do police brutality and other cases,

3241
03:07:26,640 --> 03:07:30,920
Speaker 4: that we, know about. IMPORTANT cases strong cases i also

3242
03:07:31,080 --> 03:07:35,200
Speaker 4: do personal. Injury and other matters my office number where

3243
03:07:35,200 --> 03:07:39,119
Speaker 4: my staff is now is three on one five one

3244
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Speaker 4: three five four four five three on one five one three.

3245
03:07:43,720 --> 03:07:47,199
Speaker 4: FIVE four four five i just opened Up Another Office.

3246
03:07:47,280 --> 03:07:50,560
Speaker 4: ON new HAMPSHIRE avenue uh and i thank you. All

3247
03:07:50,600 --> 03:07:52,760
Speaker 4: for calling me. I'm here, to Serve, Thank you, brother.

3248
03:07:52,879 --> 03:07:55,120
Speaker 4: Carl love, you sir all right thank You.

3249
03:07:55,200 --> 03:07:58,680
Speaker 1: Attorning the leak shapa. That's it for today clash is,

3250
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Speaker 1: dismissed and, stay strong stay positive. Please please stay healthy we'll,

3251
03:08:02,720 --> 03:08:05,199
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow morning six O'clock right here in BALTIMORE

3252
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Speaker 1: on ten ten wlb AND also in the DMV. On

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifty Wol for information is power