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Speaker 2: Seventy representative profits from the American customer.

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Speaker 3: I would say that's not so good, that's not exactly great.

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Speaker 2: To address this chronic on fairness, I signed an executive

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Speaker 2: something that has been helped greatly by tariffs, because when

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, I just say, well, if you're not going to

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Speaker 4: That's President Trump in the Oval Office where he is

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Speaker 4: announcing lower prices on those GLP ones, lower prices on

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Speaker 4: weight loss meds. Tony Katz. Tony Katz today, what do

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Speaker 4: you do? And everybody good to be with you. The

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Speaker 4: four kicks, that's what I'm smoking. This is the mule

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Speaker 4: I just like the cigar. Smoke them if you got them.

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Speaker 4: We're going to follow what President Trump is doing here

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Speaker 4: of course, every questions asked and answered, and there's a

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, we'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the president of the Oval and

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Speaker 2: EMD Serrano have agreed to drastically lower their prices score

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Speaker 2: American patients and today Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk my

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Speaker 2: journey the phenomenal lists of the most exciting announcements. I mean,

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Speaker 2: because it's such a big seller. I guess it's the

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Speaker 2: number one selling thing there is today. These are two

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Speaker 3: Everything else. These are the two companies that really broke around.

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Speaker 2: Neither of these two popular drugs have been covered by

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Speaker 2: Americans have been spending as much as five hundred and

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Speaker 2: same box and that ends starting today, and the other

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Speaker 3: I don't think they like me too much, Bobby, But

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Speaker 2: Eli, Lilly and Novo Nordiskar committee to offer zep bound

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Speaker 2: and WEGOV at most Favored Nations rates for American patients.

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Speaker 2: This will slash the course if we govy from one thousand,

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Speaker 4: They're not gonna be able to keep up with the

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Speaker 2: They don't all right about it, you know, they'd like

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Speaker 4: In addition, issue mister President is we're not sure if

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Speaker 2: Think of that, you go from thirteen hundred to one

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Speaker 3: And I think it's turning out to be pretty amazing. Rights.

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Speaker 2: Just as significantly, Medicare and Medicaid will finally cover the

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Speaker 3: This is tremendous news for the American seniors.

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Speaker 2: And you'll remember what I had one eighth of one

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Speaker 6: You think it was easy dealing with these people, It

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Speaker 6: Wasn't you think it was easy saying you drug mister

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Speaker 6: Eli Lilly that we're selling for thirteen hundred is going

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Speaker 3: You know the amazing thing that stocks went up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these guys are their dancing because it's going

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Speaker 3: The world's a bigger place and it's going to equalize.

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Speaker 2: In addition, Eli Lily and Novo Ortice have agreed to

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Speaker 2: Favored Nations prices most favorite nations, meaning that you will

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Speaker 3: That's what are you gonna pay, whereas before they.

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Speaker 2: Paid low prices that we paid, you know, thousands of

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Speaker 4: And by the way, the Eli Lily sock price.

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Speaker 3: Consumers at deeply discounted prices. We had Trump Rix.

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Speaker 4: basically nine of giving people prices.

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Speaker 4: I do not think I own individually Eli Lilly stock.

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Speaker 4: giving a little disclosure and just sharing what the President

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Speaker 7: The beautiful Obama building that he's building in Chicago for

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Speaker 3: Then he tells a center run.

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Speaker 2: Medicame, many of the most widely used drugs will be

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Speaker 3: Or even more than that. Addition, all new medications.

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Speaker 8: Introduced by Eli Lilly and Novo Nordisk through the American

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Speaker 2: Because they have been thousands of percent and lower than

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Speaker 3: That's peanuts in the United States to reshore and.

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Speaker 2: Do a big domestic manufacturing job in the facilities they're

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Speaker 3: So Eli Litlill spent twenty seven billion, Novo is spending

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Speaker 4: Understand that they're also building plants in other places. There's

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. And you're, like Tony tem to know

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Speaker 4: a lot about Eli Lily. They're based here where I live,

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Speaker 4: Trump finally is getting the message, a message we have

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Speaker 4: Look at what we've done with drug prices. Look at

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Speaker 5: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Here's politicians have talked about making healthcare affordable, but my

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Speaker 9: I want to start by thanking you, mister President, are

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Speaker 9: Obesity is the number one driver of chronic disease. Fifty

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Speaker 9: Obesity is a disease of poverty, overwhelmingly, and this drug,

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Speaker 9: these drugs have only been available for people who have wealths.

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Speaker 4: Now, what's really happening here? The White House just endorsed

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Speaker 5: The people say, the fact shot.

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Speaker 4: Right now calls going into doctors offices saying I'd like

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Speaker 5: This are through the roof. The game just changed.

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Speaker 4: It was already winning culturally, but the White House just said,

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Speaker 5: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats today, and.

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Speaker 5: That's what people are going to pick on Tony Katz,

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Speaker 4: The story is they're talking about these weight loss drugs

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Speaker 10: It's self clear that the real stake here is the

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Speaker 10: because you remember the forgotten man.

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Speaker 5: You speak to them, they hear.

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Speaker 10: You, they listen to you, and he connects well because

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Speaker 10: We need to address this tempest of dramatically increasing prices

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Speaker 11: Not a good reason against it.

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Speaker 10: Now, MAHA is critical America will have to get fit

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Speaker 10: in order to write size.

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Speaker 11: The healthcare system. And MAHA has the answers.

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Speaker 10: It has obesity management through diet and exercise and sleep

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Speaker 11: And I want to say it as clear as I can.

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Speaker 5: We're all clear on that.

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Speaker 10: But as Secretary Kennedy said, it is an arrow in

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Speaker 5: This is a very very smart presentation.

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Speaker 4: This isn't a cure all, but this is something that

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Speaker 5: This is a good conversation and something that's been noted.

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Speaker 4: the expected Republicans did not avail themselves of this message.

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Speaker 4: They didn't share the Maha message, which, as we've discussed, works,

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Speaker 4: It's working. Moms are appreciative, people are seeing it. This

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Speaker 4: How would I even figure out which thing it is?

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Speaker 4: What policy conversation could be had. This is about whether

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Speaker 5: Have a chance.

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Speaker 4: And here they are doing it again. I will tell you,

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Speaker 4: And there's gonna be a real look at this. But

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Speaker 4: It's all it's ever been, at all it ever can be.

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Speaker 4: And I am not in favor of force. I do, however,

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Speaker 5: It's a winner.

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Speaker 4: And I also recognize engaged in the post mortem of

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Speaker 4: I can't believe the consultant class needs to be horsewhipped.

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Speaker 5: But you already knew that.

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Speaker 5: Because there's a camera. There's always a camera.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna listen smoking. If you got a much more

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Speaker 11: Bass that's switchy. Make sure that's clear.

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Speaker 12: So I want to highlight two other really important points

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Speaker 11: First, this isn't about spending more. It's about spending smarter.

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Speaker 12: The statings from the diabetes drug price reductions are being

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Speaker 11: Importantly, higher productivity.

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Speaker 12: Today is about freeing Americans from the weight literally and

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Speaker 4: That is the press conference happening now in the Oval

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Speaker 13: In honor to be here today for this historic step

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Speaker 13: Of course, these are the innkretin or GLP one agonist

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Speaker 13: We've been advancing science and creating high value jobs.

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Speaker 5: But today somebody there just passed out.

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Speaker 4: One of the people behind him just passed out right there.

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Speaker 4: That happens. They're going to move the press, I assume,

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Speaker 4: That is not the announcement that they want or anybody wanted,

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Speaker 4: Kats today, good to be with you. That is absolutely

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Speaker 5: The right thing.

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Speaker 4: You just feel a lobby and they caught them, They

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Speaker 4: many many ways reset this and continue this conversation.

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Speaker 5: I hope so, because this is a very very very

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Speaker 4: And to the idea of this working for and being

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Speaker 4: We've been talking about this. We have been talking about

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Speaker 4: never seen Republicans so quick to agreement. The agreement. Yep,

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Speaker 4: we screwed up on the affordability conversation. Yeah, we mess

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Speaker 5: This is on us. We did it. It's our fault.

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Speaker 1: What now?

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Speaker 4: care who you're talking to. I've got national review. Affordability

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Speaker 4: Oh where do I have it?

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Speaker 5: The op ed from from the vek Ramaswami in The

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Speaker 4: Tuesday's elections were a GOP wake up call for these

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Speaker 4: in Ohio. He writes, too many Americans feel like they

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Speaker 4: can't afford a decent life when cost of version faster

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Speaker 4: than wages over the last half decade. We can't hide

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Speaker 4: from the problem because it isn't going away. The Biden

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Speaker 4: administration aggressively pushed the idea that wages are going up.

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Speaker 4: Wages are going up, Wages are going up.

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Speaker 5: Look at us.

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Speaker 4: Wages are going up. This is terrific. Wages are going up.

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Speaker 4: But it did not connect to the price of things

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Speaker 4: going up. So you can talk about wages going.

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Speaker 5: Up from now until the end of time. It didn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Everything costs too much, and it was believed that everything

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Speaker 4: costs too much. Now that second part matters, because even

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Speaker 4: if there was a product under Biden that didn't actually

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Speaker 4: go up, the feeling was everything was more expensive. Inflation

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Speaker 4: made it that way. The feeling is things still cost

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Speaker 4: too much today under Donald Trump. I don't care what

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Speaker 4: Scott Besson says, I don't care what argument the secretary

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Speaker 4: of the Treasury secretary makes, who cares? The feeling is there.

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Speaker 4: And you say to me, well, the price of eggs

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Speaker 4: has come down, the price of gases come down. I say,

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Speaker 4: both those things are great. Someone said, uh, health insurance costs.

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Speaker 5: Have come down. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 4: But you feel like you're paying more for your electric

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Speaker 4: pill you're paying more for your car insurance. Some people

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Speaker 4: tell you car insurance come down. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 4: And oh my gosh, property taxes and the everyday think.

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Speaker 4: I hang out with a unique group of people and

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Speaker 4: I and I don't hang out with people in my industry.

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Speaker 5: I just I just don't.

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Speaker 4: I have friends in my industry, but I don't hang

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Speaker 4: out with them on the regular. I hang out with

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Speaker 4: people who are entrepreneurs. I like people who create. I

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Speaker 4: like people who build things, the the the the producers

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Speaker 4: of society and different industries and in different places. They

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Speaker 4: in these conversations with these people who are outrageously successful,

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Speaker 4: I've heard more about the cost of everything than I have,

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Speaker 4: and all the time I've known them. That's an anecdotal conversation.

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Speaker 5: I hear you.

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Speaker 4: The cost of everything, and one of them was telling

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Speaker 4: a story that because they're in the food business, food

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Speaker 4: related businesses, they were testing out what somebody.

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Speaker 5: Else has to offer.

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Speaker 4: And they ordered a sandwich from one of these places

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Speaker 4: that you can order a sandwich from. They had it delivered,

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Speaker 4: and it was a sandwich, and it was a bag

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Speaker 4: of potato chips, and it was a two liter bottle

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Speaker 4: of soda. They wanted to see how it all came up. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: that bill was what was it thirty five dollars or

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Speaker 4: was it fifty dollars? The point is it was over

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Speaker 4: thirty dollars for a sandwich or two liter of soda

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Speaker 4: and chips.

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Speaker 5: We have argued on this show before, and.

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Speaker 4: I use argument for a or argue for a lack

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Speaker 4: of a better word. I don't mean we're arguing. I've

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Speaker 4: stated on this show before that part of what keeps

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Speaker 4: society at ease is being able to do the everyday things.

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Speaker 4: The everyday things matter and matter greatly, and if one

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Speaker 4: cannot do the everyday things, everything goes to hell and

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Speaker 4: a ham basket.

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Speaker 5: The everyday things involve.

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Speaker 4: Being able to take your kids out for ice cream,

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Speaker 4: It involves going out to dinner every now and again,

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Speaker 4: and it's not to the finest steakhouse in all the land.

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Speaker 4: It's to the Texas Roadhouse. And sure there are better

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Speaker 4: cuts of meat, but they bring it to you and

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Speaker 4: there are roles, and they refill your drink and they

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Speaker 4: take care of you, and you feel like a person.

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Speaker 4: You feel like a person if you are at the

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Speaker 4: local Wendy's. You ever go to the Wendy's, and I

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Speaker 4: call it the Wendy's because I don't know why. It's

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Speaker 4: just Wendy's. And you can see a white father with

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Speaker 4: his white son dipping French fries into a frosty, and

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Speaker 4: then at another table, you can see a black father

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Speaker 4: with his black son dipping French fries into a frosty.

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Speaker 4: The connective tissue is that this is something I could

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Speaker 4: afford to do with my kid. I don't know how

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Speaker 4: much each one makes. I'm talking about the moment when

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Speaker 4: you cannot afford those moments when you cannot afford to

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Speaker 4: take the family out to dinner, when you cannot afford

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Speaker 4: to go with the wife to the Texas Roadhouse. Then

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Speaker 4: you start asking what the hell am I working so

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Speaker 4: hard for? You start asking what is this, What am

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Speaker 4: I doing here? Why am I busting my hump here?

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Speaker 4: The basics make everything okay because in that moment you

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Speaker 4: take a breath and you're like, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, I'm doing things right.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't really take much.

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Speaker 5: Never has.

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Speaker 4: Too many Americans feel like they can't afford a decent life. Yes,

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Speaker 4: and it's because these costs are still indeed too high.

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Speaker 4: That is true, and that needs to be addressed, not

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Speaker 4: through the nonsense policies of Mom, Dannie or any of

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Speaker 4: these progressives, but through recognizing where the issues are and

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Speaker 4: keying in on them. Ramaswami then gets into the idea

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Speaker 4: that you can't focus on the cultural issues.

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Speaker 5: This is not true.

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Speaker 4: The cultural issues matter greatly, it's just they don't replace

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Speaker 4: and Toto. Pocketbook issues now seems to have been a

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Speaker 4: winsome Earl Sears problem in Virginia, and that could be

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Speaker 4: other people's problems living the life that allows you to

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Speaker 4: feel like it's worth it. That has to be the focus.

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Speaker 4: Bill Clinton, when he wasn't dilly dallying, if you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, had it right. It's the economy stupid,

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Speaker 4: That's all it is. Focus can bring victory. This is

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Speaker 4: Tony kats today. So Nancy BELOWSI has decided not to run.

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Speaker 5: For reelection.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I guess she's made enough money for her retirement fund.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't need it anymore. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

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Speaker 4: Good to be with you, Good to be here. I'll

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Speaker 4: have more on that coming up in a little bit.

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Speaker 5: This story.

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Speaker 4: About Marshawn neland so he plays for the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: He had a huge game.

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Speaker 4: Was it was it Monday night? They're playing the Cardinals.

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Speaker 4: He's a defensive end, scored his first touchdown. Took his

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Speaker 4: life this morning, the age of twenty four. Now there

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Speaker 4: are still stories coming out, a history of mental illness,

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Speaker 4: a possibility of an interaction with the police. DPS in

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Speaker 4: Texas As saying that its officers attempted to stop a

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Speaker 4: vehicle and it's for a traffic violation at ten thirty

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Speaker 4: three pm. Vehicle did not stop, an unsuccessful pursuit unfolded.

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Speaker 5: It's a horrifying story.

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Speaker 4: To already be in a bad place and to think,

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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, the cops and now it's over. And

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Speaker 4: ask your kids how they're doing, Ask your spouse how

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Speaker 4: they're doing, Ask your friends how they're doing.

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Speaker 5: It's not weak.

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Speaker 4: It's not. It is not. There is a suicide prevention hotline.

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Speaker 4: It's now a three digit nine eight eight. Don't ever,

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Speaker 4: don't ever think you're not worth it, not for a second,

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Speaker 4: that is untrue. This is Tony Cats today.

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Speaker 1: Live from the heartlier and the crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Cats today. So we have a reduction in flights.

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Speaker 4: You have Sean Duffy, who is the Transportation Secretary, stating

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Speaker 4: quite clearly, we can't afford because of this government shutdown.

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Speaker 4: We cannot afford to keep everybody afloat. We cannot afford

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Speaker 4: to keep everything going the way we want it to.

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Speaker 5: So we are going to have a cut. And this

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Speaker 5: cut is going to be pretty big. Pretty big.

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Speaker 14: Indeed, in regard to air traffic control, we've had a

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Speaker 14: conversation over the course of the last month about some

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Speaker 14: of the challenges.

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Speaker 11: That we're having in the airspace.

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Speaker 14: Many of you know that we are two thousand controllers short,

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Speaker 14: air traffic controller short, and we have surged our academy

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Speaker 14: to bring more controllers into our system. We are twenty

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Speaker 14: percent up in controllers to the academy.

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Speaker 5: Thus far this year.

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Speaker 11: I've also offered.

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Speaker 14: Air traffic controllers who are of the age of retirement

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Speaker 14: a twenty percent upfront cash bonus to actually stay on.

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Speaker 11: Some of the best controllers we have, don't retire, keep

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Speaker 11: working for us.

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Speaker 14: All of that has been reducing the pressure on the

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Speaker 14: staffing side of air traffic control. It's working, but it

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Speaker 14: takes years to bring more well trained, certified controllers into

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Speaker 14: the airspace. The shutdown is having an impact on our

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Speaker 14: ability to maintain those numbers and dent that two thousand

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Speaker 14: shortage that we have.

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Speaker 5: We agree with that we see this.

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Speaker 4: We're already seeing flights be delayed, We're already seeing the

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Speaker 4: wait times increasing.

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Speaker 5: And he's right.

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Speaker 4: We're trying to get people into these academies to turn

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Speaker 4: them into air traffic controllers. But you can't rush it.

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Speaker 4: It's like bourbon. True, if I pour the right mixture

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Speaker 4: of fifty one percent corn into a barrel and then

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Speaker 4: right out of a barrel, the barrel being of American oak,

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Speaker 4: first use and charred, that, by the definition of the law,

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Speaker 4: is bourbon. But if I want it to be straight bourbon,

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Speaker 4: it has to be two years in the barrel. Them

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Speaker 4: be the rules, ladies and gentlemen. You can read those

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Speaker 4: you can get my book Let's Go Bourbon available at

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Speaker 4: Amazon on dot com.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it's it's the rules, it's the law.

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Speaker 4: You cannot rush it if you want straight bourbon and

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Speaker 4: utilizing the designation straight Bourbon two years in the barrel,

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Speaker 4: allowing the oak to infuse the juice.

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Speaker 5: You cannot rush these things.

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Speaker 4: And the last thing in the world we would ever, ever,

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Speaker 4: ever want are air traffic controllers who got rushed through

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Speaker 4: the system.

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Speaker 5: Don't want that in the slightest.

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Speaker 4: So's it's it's clear that we have this problem and

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Speaker 4: that the shutdown is continuing the problem.

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Speaker 5: The question is.

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Speaker 4: Are the Democrats seriously considering extending the shutdown?

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Speaker 15: Now?

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Speaker 4: What we had heard time and again and again and

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Speaker 4: again and again is that Democrats were going to end this.

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Speaker 5: They were going to end this all after the No

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Speaker 5: King's rally.

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Speaker 4: They were going to keep the shutdown going for the

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Speaker 4: No King's rallies and trainly try and get a good

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Speaker 4: crowd out there, and then they would end it. And

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Speaker 4: then it continued. We're like, okay, it's continuing. And then

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Speaker 4: they said, you know what, the election's gonna come. We're

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Speaker 4: gonna get people excited for the election with these lockdowns.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry this shutdown, and they also get people excited

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Speaker 4: with lockdowns. Who that's who they are. And then and

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Speaker 4: then all right, we'll be done. And then they win

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Speaker 4: the elections. And now, as we all know, the political

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Speaker 4: left always overplaced our hand, they are saying, hey, we won,

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Speaker 4: I think we should keep this shutdown going and keep

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Speaker 4: this fight over Obamacare subsidies going. The Obamacare subsidies work

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Speaker 4: as follows. Obamacare was a terrible idea.

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Speaker 5: Built on a lie.

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Speaker 4: Barack Obama lied to all of America about your healthcare

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Speaker 4: plan and your doctor.

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Speaker 5: And they're still lying.

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Speaker 4: They are liars. This didn't work, It never worked, can't work.

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Speaker 4: Cover run healthcare doesn't work well, Tony, what about European nations,

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Speaker 4: smaller countries with that level of taxation? Maybe, but you

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Speaker 4: don't get into the conversation of who is told I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: you are not worth saving because according to our actuarial table,

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Speaker 4: you're too old to help. Why don't you do us

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Speaker 4: all a favor and die already, you bastard. That's the

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Speaker 4: argument of the universal healthcare leadists. That's their argument, die

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Speaker 4: quickly now. If you are somebody who remembers your history,

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Speaker 4: local of recent history. There was a congressman from Florida,

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Speaker 4: a leftist's leftist. His name was Alan Grayson. Alan Grayson

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Speaker 4: was an insane progressive before we head insane progressives everywhere.

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Speaker 4: He is currently running in the US Senate special election

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Speaker 4: in Florida.

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Speaker 5: He has done a lot of running and he has

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Speaker 5: lost a lot of times.

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Speaker 4: But he has spent time in Congress and he is

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Speaker 4: the guy who said that the Republicans health plan is

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Speaker 4: for you to get sick and die quickly.

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Speaker 5: Get sick and die quickly.

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Speaker 4: The signs are there, there, out, the videos exist. If

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Speaker 4: we are honest about what happens in these socialist nations,

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Speaker 4: you are nothing more than an equation, and that equation

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Speaker 4: determines whether or not you get care or not. And

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Speaker 4: even if you have an issue, you might not be

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Speaker 4: able to see the person you want to see for

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Speaker 4: another year, whether that's Canada, it's a UK.

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Speaker 5: Using those as the example, we know this to be true.

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Speaker 5: We know this to be factual. We don't have to

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Speaker 5: present it with any other type of consideration or question.

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Speaker 5: We know this.

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Speaker 4: The Democrats believe in Obamacare, and what they believe in

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Speaker 4: is extending subsidies. Well, first, If Obamacare was so great,

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Speaker 4: lowered so many costs, why do you need subsidies. I'll

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Speaker 4: save that for another day. The Obamacare subsidies sunset at

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Speaker 4: the end of twenty twenty five. This is because of

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Speaker 4: the legislation owned as the Inflation Reduction Act, which was

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Speaker 4: put forth and signed during the Joe Biden era. I

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Speaker 4: say that Joe Biden era, not the Joe Biden presidency,

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Speaker 4: because was he actually president?

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Speaker 5: I kid, I don't kid.

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Speaker 4: And so the Inflation Reduction Act had these subsidies that

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Speaker 4: sunset at the end of twenty twenty five, a piece

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Speaker 4: of legislation voted on by Democrats. They voted for this,

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Speaker 4: They said, we understand that the Obamacare subsidies will sunset

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Speaker 4: in December of twenty twenty five. And now they have

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Speaker 4: the audacity to say Republicans are destroying healthcare. Look at

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Speaker 4: the Republican health care crisis. I must admit, if you

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Speaker 4: are somebody who buys into that lie, I feel for you.

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Speaker 4: But I don't have much time to feel for you,

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Speaker 4: because I don't really feel too much for liars, for frauds.

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Speaker 5: I don't do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not about to do that. That seems criminally insane

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Speaker 4: to me, So I'm not going to make that happen

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Speaker 4: in my life. There is some people doing some weird

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Speaker 4: work by the studio. You're a weird thing in your

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Speaker 4: micro vote. You're not crazy. Good lord, somebody's got somebody's

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Speaker 4: got to get that machine taken care of. So they

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Speaker 4: have decided that they have to continue the subsidies. And

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Speaker 4: this was worth the government shutdown. The election victory in Virginia,

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Speaker 4: where not only did they elect Abigail Svanberger as their governor,

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Speaker 4: they elected an attorney general who said he wanted to

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Speaker 4: kill a Republican Speaker of the House and fantasized about

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Speaker 4: killing that Republican's kids.

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Speaker 5: That's you Democrats vote for.

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Speaker 4: We better be running on that going into the midterms.

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Speaker 4: They think that these wins in Virginia and New Jersey

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Speaker 4: and New York are so powerful that why should they

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Speaker 4: Why should they stop the shutdown. Let's keep it going,

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Speaker 4: Let's keep it going, Let's keep building on this, let's

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Speaker 4: keep growing on this, let's continue this. The airtoppic controllers

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Speaker 4: aren't getting paid. You'll have less and less of them,

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Speaker 4: and pretty soon you won't have anybody actually there to

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Speaker 4: direct the planes. And mem will not be there for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: Diane was coming up, my mother is is scheduled to

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Speaker 4: come up. Oh, that conversation is gonna happen today. You

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Speaker 4: know that there's a fifty to fifty chance you're not

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Speaker 4: gonna be able to make it. There will be no flights,

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Speaker 4: just letting you know right now, letting you know as

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Speaker 4: we speak, and on what might put my mother on

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Speaker 4: a plane and all of a sudden the plane gets

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Speaker 4: diverted somewhere, and I gotta worry about how she's gonna

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Speaker 4: be doing, where she's gonna be spending the night and

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Speaker 4: everything else.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be a real problem. I don't think

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Speaker 5: I want that, and I don't think many people want that.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there are gonna be a snap benefits that a

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Speaker 4: fifty percent of which are gonna be given out because

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Speaker 4: that's the money left in the h in the kitty.

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Speaker 5: But they won't be there next month.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if they're going to extend this and then

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Speaker 4: they have the the lack of shame and say, look

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Speaker 4: at what Republicans are doing.

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Speaker 5: If you lie enough, if you lie enough, you can

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Speaker 5: get a message across. You can. It's clear the Democrats

745
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Speaker 5: have decided that if.

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Speaker 4: They can get more power, they do not care who

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Speaker 4: they hurt. This is what they're telling you as clear

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Speaker 4: as day. And so the message here has to change

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Speaker 4: from the Republicans and the the the the message has

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Speaker 4: to get much more aggressive about what it is they're doing.

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Speaker 4: You must now put them on a full level of defense.

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Speaker 4: I think Speaker Johnson has done a good job with

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Speaker 4: the messaging. Republicans have done a good job with the messaging.

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Speaker 5: You're now in a different spot, and the messaging has

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Speaker 5: to change. Look what they're willing to do.

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Speaker 4: Look what they are willing to do. Listen to how

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Speaker 4: they even phrase it. End the Trump shutdown? What does

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Speaker 4: this have to do with Trump? This is the Senate thing,

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Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer with a straight face. It's Trump's fault. He's

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Speaker 4: the guy in the Senate keeping Democrats from voting. There's

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Speaker 4: a belief that twelve Democrats will come over and there'll

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Speaker 4: be some spending bills that happened, and then they'll be

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Speaker 4: a later vote on Obamacare subsidies, which I've always said

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Speaker 4: Trump is going to do because he's gonna wants to

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Speaker 4: be seen as look, I care about you like it's

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Speaker 4: the populist thing to do, and I don't want it,

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Speaker 4: but he's going to do it. Democrats want power more

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Speaker 4: than they want air. They don't care who they hurt

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Speaker 4: in the process. So get ready. This is going to

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Speaker 4: be a thing. And while I want it to end soon,

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Speaker 4: I'm not putting my money down on it. I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 4: This is Tony Katz today. I'm pretty sure during the

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Speaker 4: break I came up with a new show. Would you

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Speaker 4: or would you not? Watch troll Giggle. I'll explain what

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Speaker 4: it is. I'll explain what it is. Sidney Sweeney is

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Speaker 4: in the news or she was in the news because

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Speaker 4: you know she did that ad and that ad is

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Speaker 4: UH for the for the American Eagle jeans and it's

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Speaker 4: Sidney Sweeney has good geens and people like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4: this is a Nazi ad. Well, she's she's wearing jeans

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Speaker 4: and she looks damn good in the jeans. Because she

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Speaker 4: has a body that won't quit. What's what's why is

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Speaker 4: that a problem? She like, I have a body that

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Speaker 4: won't quit?

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Speaker 5: What is the issue?

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Speaker 16: You know?

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Speaker 5: I'm hot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: You do how you do it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: That's right, Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, did I make

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Speaker 4: it weird? Excellent? Find everything at tonykats dot com. And

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Speaker 4: so she had done this interview, and so I haven't

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Speaker 4: heard the audio yet. So the audio is now here,

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Speaker 4: So do me a favor their producer land and Finger

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Speaker 4: on the dump. But and I doubt there's any cursing.

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Speaker 4: But she's asked about the good jeans ad right, Sidney Sweeney.

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Speaker 5: Has good genes.

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Speaker 4: And people thought that this was a a kind of

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Speaker 4: Nazi thing, and oh sure, because she's blonde and white,

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Speaker 4: and oh gosh, everybody's so angry all the.

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Speaker 5: Time, all the time. This is what happened.

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Speaker 17: The criticism of the content, which was basically that maybe,

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Speaker 17: specifically in this political climate, like people shouldn't joke about

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Speaker 17: genetic superiority.

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Speaker 5: Like that was kind of like the criticism broadly speaking.

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Speaker 5: And since you are talking.

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Speaker 17: About this, I just wanted to give you an opportunity

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Speaker 17: to talk about that specifically.

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Speaker 4: I think that when I.

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Speaker 11: Have an issue that I want to speak about, people

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Speaker 11: will hear.

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Speaker 5: Wait, that was it. That's the whole clip.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I thought we had more because the look at

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Speaker 4: her eye said, I'm so much hotter than you, interviewer.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't even have to be here. I think that

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Speaker 4: when I have an issue that I want to speak about,

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Speaker 4: people will hear that's fine, that's an answer. I think

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Speaker 4: the real issue is everybody's angry about everything all the time,

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Speaker 4: everywhere and in every way, angry always. And I admit

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Speaker 4: that I put a lot of this on the ginning

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Speaker 4: up of the anger. Now I get accused of this,

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Speaker 4: or you're a radio host to gin people up to anger,

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Speaker 4: and oh, I just say, it's a shtick and it's

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Speaker 4: all about the money. And look who's funding him. I

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Speaker 4: have sponsors and they're great and you should utilize them

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Speaker 4: every day. And when I get paid for something, I

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Speaker 4: say the words. I don't hide anything. I cannot believe,

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Speaker 4: And I do not believe that every person who's speaking

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Speaker 4: in every forum is doing so because they're getting paid.

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Speaker 4: The idea that, oh, when I say it, it's from

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Speaker 4: the heart, but when they say it's because they're being paid,

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Speaker 4: it's just such cheap garbage trash as to be believed.

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Speaker 4: Do I believe that people engage in certain ways because

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Speaker 4: it helps them with certain audiences, or that people say

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Speaker 4: things because it's going to gin up a level of controversy,

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Speaker 4: and controversy brings viewership, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 5: I think it happens very.

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Speaker 4: Often with the influencer class, and I don't think of

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Speaker 4: myself in that way. I think the host is different

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Speaker 4: than the influencer.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 4: I do believe that I've got different rules. I have

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Speaker 4: to follow everything else, but maybe some people don't, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I can convince them thereof But

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Speaker 4: the reaction to the election has been so much it's

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Speaker 4: like the Spider Man meme finger pointing, and everyone's pointing

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Speaker 4: at everybody else. Do we understand that it's not the

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Speaker 4: end of the world. And I have some data to

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Speaker 4: go over, which is extremely important as we continue the

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Speaker 4: post mortem of the election. Republicans lost. They lost in

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Speaker 4: New York, they lost in Virginia, they lost in New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they didn't have good candidates, Maybe they didn't have

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Speaker 4: the right message. Maybe, like in the case of the

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Speaker 4: Virginia Attorney General, the people of Virginia are gross, gross

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Speaker 4: and we have to work on turnout. But there's this

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Speaker 4: anger panic. Who can I grab to my fiefdom. It's

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Speaker 4: not helpful, it's valueless, unless, of course, you're the person

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Speaker 4: grabbing people to your fiefdom. I will get into that story.

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Speaker 4: And why Nancy Pelosi not running for reelection is a story.

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Speaker 5: Keep it here.

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Speaker 4: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 13: And we're anxious to get started with this as early

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Speaker 13: as April one. This coverage can begin for our medicines

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Speaker 13: and Nova's medicines. And I just want to say it's

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Speaker 13: hard to overstate the impact.

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Speaker 3: Of this day.

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Speaker 13: It's really a turning point in the fight against chronic

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Speaker 13: disease and a landmark achievement for President Trump and Secretary

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Speaker 13: Kennedy as well as of course our company. The most importantly,

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Speaker 13: it empowers people to take control of their own health,

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Speaker 13: to eat well, to exercise of course, avoid harmful substances

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Speaker 13: and where appropriate, and consultation with your doctor, access affordable

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Speaker 13: now obesity medications that are really a breakthrough.

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Speaker 4: And we believe that when.

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Speaker 11: America is healthy, America is strong.

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Speaker 13: And Lily, our goal is the same here to invest

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Speaker 13: in science, invest in our country, deliver breakthrough medicines and

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Speaker 13: reduce and then prevent chronic disease, all to make our

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Speaker 13: country strong for generations.

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Speaker 5: That's the CEO of EUI.

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Speaker 4: Lily Dave Rick speaking in the Oval Office. This was

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Speaker 4: a press conference that had started earlier announcing the reduction

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Speaker 4: of prescription drug prices for weight loss drugs. Tony Katz,

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Speaker 4: Tony Katz today, good to be with you at Secretary

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Speaker 4: Kennedy spoke doctor Oz who runs a center for Medicare

887
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Speaker 4: Medicaid services. And while they were speaking, the CEO of NORDESK,

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Speaker 4: I believe Novo Nordesk sorry passed out, had had a

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Speaker 4: health episode. They canceled, They stopped the press conference right there,

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Speaker 4: and then they've now come back to it. So that

891
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Speaker 4: was just Dave Rix of Eli Lilly and so we're

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Speaker 4: gonna see the reduction of those prices and some other

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Speaker 4: drug prices, not just the weight loss drugs. And now

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Speaker 4: more people are speaking about what is happening with this

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Speaker 4: pricing getting it.

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Speaker 5: As I said earlier, one of the.

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Speaker 4: Big conversations, of course, is can the president just say

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Speaker 4: you're lowering the price of drugs and engage a level

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Speaker 4: of government threat like that, because that's one way it

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Speaker 4: can be seen.

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Speaker 5: I wish to be honest about that.

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Speaker 4: It's different to say, hey, this is costing too much,

903
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Speaker 4: we can make great changes here.

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Speaker 5: You can still profit. I do believe in drug companies

905
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Speaker 5: making a profit. Oh yes, I do totally.

906
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Speaker 4: They only cost them thirty cents to make a pill.

907
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Speaker 4: That's a second pill. The first pill cost ten billion dollars.

908
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Speaker 4: Profit motive means innovation. It's good, it's better. And the

909
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Speaker 4: people who don't want profit motive, they can go enjoy

910
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Speaker 4: City Run Bodega's by Zaron Mamdani in New York starting

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Speaker 4: on January first. It's interesting what's happening here, And as

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Speaker 4: I have argued, there is one hundred percent a connect

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Speaker 4: here between these actions regarding the MAHA movement, make America

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Speaker 4: healthy again, and electoral victory in the midterms come November third,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. That is absolutely true. There are some

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Speaker 4: other speakers speaking right now.

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Speaker 11: It is very, very important that we're making this steal today.

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Speaker 18: We're able to stand here with you President and your

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Speaker 18: team to ensure broad, affordable access for all American patients.

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Speaker 11: And that is truly exciting.

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Speaker 18: It means not only providing hope, but also providing unique

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Speaker 18: medicines to help Americans live healthier lives and longer lives.

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Speaker 18: Nobel Nordisk is proud to be an American success story.

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Speaker 18: As a leader as you in manufacturing, research and creating

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Speaker 18: a lot of jobs.

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Speaker 11: Currently, we have already invested twenty.

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Speaker 18: Four billion US dollars over the last ten years here,

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Speaker 18: and these investments have created more than ten thousand jobs,

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Speaker 18: and they have generated twenty one billion US dollar of

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Speaker 18: GDP just in twenty twenty four alone. And today, as

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Speaker 18: I'm standing here talking, cranes are up, as you would

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Speaker 18: like to say, in North Carolina because we just expanding

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Speaker 18: our North Carolina manufacturing site once again with four billion

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Speaker 18: additional US dollars.

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Speaker 4: Now, if there is expansion of drug manufacturing in the

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Speaker 4: United States, this is very very good.

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Speaker 5: Be clear, it cannot be only in the United States.

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Speaker 4: If we are smart and recognize what it means to

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Speaker 4: have a healthy supply and manufacturing chain chain of these

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Speaker 4: drugs that we utilize in America to stay healthy and

941
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Speaker 4: strong alive. In some cases, it cannot be all in

942
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Speaker 4: one spot, because if that spot has some level of

943
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Speaker 4: inability to get raw materials or has some kind of

944
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Speaker 4: a natural disaster to it, you stop the supply altogether.

945
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Speaker 4: You need to have supply from other spots. Please stop

946
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Speaker 4: thinking that it only could be in America all in America,

947
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Speaker 4: every least bit of an America bad idea, daft idea.

948
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Speaker 4: I was going to say something far worse, but I

949
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Speaker 4: decided to clean it up for you, because a love

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Speaker 4: you kitten not smart. We need things in other places.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean that we shouldn't welcome more manufacturing. Right

952
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Speaker 5: here in the US.

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Speaker 18: You can actious affordable medication so they don't need to

954
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Speaker 18: go and get an unapproved, compounded knockoffs version of it.

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Speaker 11: Once again, I like to extend my.

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Speaker 18: Deepest gratitude to you, mister President, and to the whole

957
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Speaker 18: administration making America greed again and allowing affordable access to

958
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Speaker 18: many millions of patients living with diabetes and OBCD.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I'm not sure his name, I'm

960
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Speaker 5: not sure who he is.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure who else is speaking or president is

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Speaker 4: going to start signing, But Marty McCarry of the FDA

963
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Speaker 4: has not spoken. He's going to the microphone right now.

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Speaker 19: This is an amazing day because people talk about different

965
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Speaker 19: ways to finance the broken healthcare system. This is fixing

966
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Speaker 19: the broken healthcare system by dealing with two root causes

967
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Speaker 19: the price of goods and services, something hardly anyone.

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Speaker 11: Talks about and the health of the population.

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Speaker 19: So today the FDA is announcing, as part of its

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Speaker 19: new National Priority Voucher program, that both Lily and Novo

971
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Speaker 19: Nordisk will be receiving a voucher for a priority review

972
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Speaker 19: because they're doing something in this administration's national priority interest

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Speaker 19: lowering the price of drugs to make them affordable in

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Speaker 19: line with the president mission and domestic manufacturing and addressing a.

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Speaker 11: Public health need.

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Speaker 19: This is These are two of six products that we

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Speaker 19: are announcing today, treatments for cancer that are unbelievable. They

978
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Speaker 19: are incredibly promising a rectal cancer treatment that has melted

979
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Speaker 19: away tumors with no need for surgery or chemo or radiation.

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Speaker 19: We're interested in therapies that reduce downstream healthcare utilization. They'll

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Speaker 19: be getting a voucher for a review by the FDA

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Speaker 19: in weeks instead of.

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Speaker 4: A year, so we're serious. We're doing everything we can

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Speaker 4: to incentivize this.

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Speaker 5: So I think this is.

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Speaker 4: Nonetheless, Doctor McCarry continues speaking. President's going to sign some

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Speaker 4: paperwork and probably answer questions from the press. I will

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Speaker 4: carry that for you as well. Keep it here, don't

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Speaker 4: go anywhere. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: Nine hundred and fifty million dollars, Japan, six hundred and

991
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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars, South Korea three hundred and fifty billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Without this, we're not talking about that kind of money.

993
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Speaker 3: And they're okay, They're satisfied.

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Speaker 4: They love us. I just left President Trump speaking at

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Speaker 4: this press conference as they were talking about the lowering

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Speaker 4: of prescription drug prices, and the first question was about

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Speaker 4: tariffs the Supreme Court case. They're the arguments that were

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Speaker 4: made yesterday. I don't think it went super great for

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Speaker 4: President Trump. William Jacobs and Cornell law professor Legal insurrection

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Speaker 4: dot com says it's much closer than I think.

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Speaker 5: And I spoke with him in depth.

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Speaker 4: You can catch that interview there if you follow me

1003
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Speaker 4: on YouTube YouTube dot com slash Tony Katz and subscribe.

1004
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Speaker 4: But I'll share it with you coming up in the

1005
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Speaker 4: next hour for the radio side. Very very interesting stuff.

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Speaker 4: The President answering questions and now answering questions about drug prices.

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Speaker 12: Sure that at worst prices are at MFN on GLP

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Speaker 12: ones and are committed to continue to negotiate those prices

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Speaker 12: down based on volume, just as they do in any

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Speaker 12: other instance. Another really interesting thing we're seeing, though, is

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01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 12: that commercial lands and prebiums increasingly are enabling access for

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Speaker 12: their beneficiaries their patients to make purchases in the cash

1013
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Speaker 12: market and then still receive coverage under their accumulators and

1014
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Speaker 12: their deductibles. And so we're building that capacity and absolutely

1015
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Speaker 12: trump our ex is being built to enable just that

1016
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Speaker 12: behavior and drive transparency in the process.

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Speaker 20: There are so many Americans that repport tremendously positive results

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Speaker 20: from these drugs. What real world impact do you think

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Speaker 20: this will be? Is there an estimate on how many

1020
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Speaker 20: Americans may now take these drugs? And also about the

1021
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 20: informed consent on side effects? There are lawsuits against these

1022
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Speaker 20: companies that some people experienced damage to their gut, health,

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Speaker 20: vision loss, and other potentially serious side effects there So,

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Speaker 20: how will we ensure Americans are able to make the

1025
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Speaker 20: best choice of the risks versus the rewards.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll let them speak about the side effects.

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Speaker 2: But I've heard about very little side effects with respect

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Speaker 2: to these drugs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's all positive, and that's usually another case.

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Speaker 5: I mean usually you hear then check with your doctors.

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Speaker 4: Different commercials say the words the President fifteen different things.

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Speaker 3: That can go up and then you're supposed to buy it.

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Speaker 3: Very few, but I'll let you handle that.

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Speaker 16: At a high level.

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Speaker 10: One in three people who can hear my voice are

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Speaker 10: eligible for these medications. That's the magnitude of impact, and

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Speaker 10: we believe just a redoctor of is we will actually

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Speaker 10: save the American taxpayer money if people use these drugs

1039
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Speaker 10: appropriately for the duration for which they're indicated. There are

1040
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Speaker 10: always going to be side effects of anything, anything strong

1041
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 10: enough to help you, strong enough to hurt you.

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Speaker 11: The question is is the trade off worth it.

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Speaker 10: We know the ravaging risks of obesity and all downstream

1044
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 10: issues ranging from diabetes and hypertension to renal failure, dementia,

1045
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 10: heart disease.

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Speaker 11: My specialty, but I'll ask Dave.

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Speaker 10: Bricks from Lily to maybe start off, because you can

1048
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Speaker 10: give an honest appraisal of potential risks people should be

1049
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Speaker 10: aware of.

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Speaker 11: There's no free cheese. Yeah, oh thank you.

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Speaker 13: I mean today, as you may know, there's about eight

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Speaker 13: million people benefiting from the two companies medications.

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Speaker 11: This new announcement will make that tens of millions that

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Speaker 11: could be and fit from it. So it's a huge improvement.

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Speaker 13: But as the previous question, we need commercial plans and

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Speaker 13: other insurers to step into this arrangement. I think probably

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Speaker 13: both companies will work hard to make sure that happens.

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Speaker 13: As doctor I said, no drug that can help you

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Speaker 13: has no side effects. Most of them are well known.

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Speaker 13: We've been using this class of medications for nearly twenty years,

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Speaker 13: and that's why it's important that patients go to.

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Speaker 11: Their doctor and decide together whether this is right.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 13: Their doctor knows their medical history and has the information

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Speaker 13: about these medications. But we're confident in the safety, but

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Speaker 13: there's always some precautions we should have, and people's own

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Speaker 13: medical histories matter in that decision, and people have to.

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Speaker 5: Be responsible for their own healthcare. Ten percent today is also.

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Speaker 18: That of course, in my speech, I made a comment

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Speaker 18: that what happened today allows us and Liddy to provide

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Speaker 18: medications to millions and millions more than they are getting

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Speaker 18: it today. Today, a lot of those patients are trying

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Speaker 18: to go out there and take the knock off versions

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Speaker 18: of these medications, mainly because they were cheaper than our medication.

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Speaker 11: With the reduction of the price.

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Speaker 18: Hopefully many of these patients don't need to choose their

1077
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Speaker 18: safety over their wallet and now are able to.

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Speaker 11: Find the real thing at a very decent price.

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Speaker 3: Is that a big problem with you and knockoffs it?

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Speaker 18: Yes, it has, yes, But on the other hand, of

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Speaker 18: course the Paitians have to be able to afford it.

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Speaker 11: So it has been also our job to make sure.

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Speaker 18: That that affordability as the dons are not if the

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Speaker 18: API they're all in creed and that goes into them.

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Speaker 4: Are not if they approved. So nothing is as good

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Speaker 4: as the original. I know that.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday is great. Court Chief Justice Roberts said, that's what suck.

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Speaker 3: Triffs are taxes that they're paid by Americans.

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Speaker 4: Said this pretty clearly.

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Speaker 16: And yet you're saying that this money is rolling in

1091
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Speaker 16: from other countries.

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Speaker 3: How do you how do you square those two? It

1093
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Speaker 3: is just coming in because they've charged us.

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Speaker 7: You know, the same countries that you talk about are

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Speaker 7: charging us massive amounts of money.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the tariffs over the years that we're.

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Speaker 2: Putting on our on our heads, we there is a

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Speaker 2: reason we're thirty eight trillion dollars zero.

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Speaker 3: Now that money is going to start coming down.

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Speaker 4: Let me let me jump in for a moment that

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Speaker 4: the Americans, if we have a tariff.

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Speaker 5: We pay it.

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Speaker 4: Right, you put a terrifyed and another country is good,

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Speaker 4: it's sold in the United States. We buy that good.

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Speaker 4: We pay the tariff. It is a tax on Americans.

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Speaker 4: The argument is that there is a cost to codes

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Speaker 4: to those other nations for now having to sell here, right,

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Speaker 4: because the cost is expensive, so they may lose out

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Speaker 4: on money.

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Speaker 5: But there's no doubt that Americans paid the tariff.

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Speaker 4: They pay the tax. It's just this is not a debate.

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Speaker 4: That's all there is to it. But that was a

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Speaker 4: fantastic Q and A and back and forth. The other

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Speaker 4: person you heard was the CEO of Noah nor disk

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Speaker 4: and talking about these.

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Speaker 5: Knockoffs and this level of cost.

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Speaker 4: So it was a little bit of an admission of yeah,

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Speaker 4: we got as much out of you as we could

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Speaker 4: while we couldn't.

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Speaker 5: Now we're doing this.

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Speaker 4: Now we're gonna lower the prices. But the answer was

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Speaker 4: first things first, good on doctor Oz. There's no such

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Speaker 4: thing as free cheese. There is no panacea. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: everything about this.

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Speaker 5: You know what to eat chocolate ice cream every day,

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Speaker 5: four times a day.

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Speaker 4: You know what, boom, You're gonna You're gonna lose fifty

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Speaker 4: pounds and you're gonna have the greatest erections of all time.

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Speaker 4: That's not the case. That is not the case. It

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Speaker 4: would be great if it was the case, but it's

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Speaker 4: not the case, and it involves personal responsibility. So I

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Speaker 4: was very happy to hear Dave Rix of Eli Lily,

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Speaker 4: check with your doctor. Just that easy, you and your

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Speaker 4: medical professional. Don't be crazy. But I thought it was

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Speaker 4: interesting Trump asking the question about the knockoffs, because he

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Speaker 4: was asking that question, which is probably a curiosity, but

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Speaker 4: really to say, you see what we're doing. Now, you're

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Speaker 4: getting the better stuff at the better price.

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Speaker 5: Look good, I did. That's what he was doing there.

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Speaker 5: Back to the president as of now, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Going up rapidly. I was in Japan and we have.

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Speaker 2: Toyota is coming in with ten billion dollars to build

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Speaker 2: plants operated by Americans, but building plants all over the

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Speaker 2: United States. Well, they left, they took our plans, so

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Speaker 2: they sold cars in here without tariffs.

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Speaker 3: They sold cars. We didn't judge them anything. They destroyed

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Speaker 3: our auto industry. We lost fifty fifty four percent of our.

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Speaker 2: Auto industry to other We used to If you go

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Speaker 2: back into the thirties and forties.

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Speaker 3: We had one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: Of continuing the tariff conversations and I started.

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Speaker 3: Getting chopped away. But Mexico, Canada, many countries we Canada

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Speaker 3: afforded us very hard.

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Speaker 2: The ones that don't want us to win a foreign

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Speaker 2: countries that we are able now to do very well,

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Speaker 2: those are the ones that fight it.

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Speaker 3: Those are maybe people that at our country. I think

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Speaker 3: it's the most important case, maybe in the history of

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Speaker 3: our country. Aavior achievement for your administration. Targeting the segment.

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Speaker 19: Of our population that needs it the most at the

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Speaker 19: highest obese rach are making it affordable.

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Speaker 11: You were truly saving likes.

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Speaker 3: That's coming from the viewers that we've had in one

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Speaker 3: hour that we took a little bit of a broad break.

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Speaker 2: My question to you is Walmart just pushed out a

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Speaker 2: report that says this year is traditional Thanksgiving milk We'll

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Speaker 2: calls twenty five percent less than it did bike administration

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Speaker 2: plus gas prices being down in the two dollars.

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Speaker 3: Region makes it more affordable to travel to Grandma's house.

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Speaker 3: This Thanksgooling.

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Speaker 4: I gotta tell you this is not my favorite reporter

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Speaker 4: because everything is Let me just throw the laudatory. I

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Speaker 4: am there's a really interesting thing going on about Thanksgiving prices.

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Speaker 5: I'll get to that tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: More ahead, keep it here.

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Speaker 5: This is Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 4: So I followed what happened in the Supreme Court yesterday,

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Speaker 4: this case about tariffs.

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Speaker 5: And went back and listened.

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Speaker 4: And it seemed to me that's Scott Besson, the Treasury

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Speaker 4: Secretary who was in the room. He might be having

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Speaker 4: a bit of wishful thinking, because the argument certainly seemed

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Speaker 4: to be against the Solicitor General of the United States. Hey,

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Speaker 4: John Sower, you don't really have a great argument here.

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Speaker 4: I could be wrong. So I brought in the legal experts.

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Speaker 4: Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today. Good to be with you.

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Speaker 4: William Jacobson joins us right now, Cornell Law, professor of

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Speaker 4: the mind behind legal insurrection dot com and of course

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Speaker 4: Equal protect dot org. A tremendous amount being done to

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Speaker 4: ensure universities and other places are playing things fair. You're

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Speaker 4: the legal legal you have seen more of these cases

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Speaker 4: than I have. This case is about whether or not

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Speaker 4: the president can unilaterally impose tariffs and those tariffs then

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Speaker 4: raising revenue, which was I think a piece people weren't

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Speaker 4: prepared for. Talk to me about the case that's brought

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Speaker 4: before the Supreme Court and what you saw from the

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Speaker 4: court in its reaction.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think the media reaction has been that it

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Speaker 16: was a very bad day for the Trump administration. I'm

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Speaker 16: not so sure that's right. I think it's a lot closer.

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Speaker 16: I think this one could go either way. The issue

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Speaker 16: here is that there's a statue that gives the president

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Speaker 16: emergency powers to do a variety of things. The word

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Speaker 16: tariffs is not in the statue, but the word regulate

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Speaker 16: imports is in the statute, and a lot of the

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Speaker 16: argument was whether that term would encompass imposition of tariffs.

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Speaker 16: And there's two levels to that. One is, everybody, including

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Speaker 16: the challengers, conceded that that word regulate impact ports would

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Speaker 16: give the president the power to completely suspend trade with

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Speaker 16: foreign companies or countries, or at least the imports from

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Speaker 16: foreign countries. And so the argument is, if that extreme

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Speaker 16: power falls under the word regulate imports, why doesn't tariffs?

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Speaker 16: Does that make any sense whatsoever? And I think it

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Speaker 16: was Kavanaugh referred to it as a huge doughnut hole,

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Speaker 16: and the lawyer for some of the challengers had acute comeback, well,

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Speaker 16: it's a different type of pastry. But the point is

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Speaker 16: you're supposed to read statutes to make sense. You're supposed

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Speaker 16: to read statutes to assume Congress made sense when it

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Speaker 16: did it, and how does it possibly make sense? And

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Speaker 16: I think this was Kavanaugh questioning, how does it possibly

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Speaker 16: make sense that you're giving the president the power to

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Speaker 16: suspend and imports from China but not to impose a

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Speaker 16: one percent tariff? And so that was kind of the

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Speaker 16: first level. The second level is the government argument. These

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Speaker 16: are not like ordinary tariffs, and they try to distinguish

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Speaker 16: between regulatory tariffs and revenue raising tariffs. These are tariffs

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Speaker 16: which are being used as a foreign policy tool to

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Speaker 16: negotiate trade agreements and other conduct by foreign countries, such

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Speaker 16: as releasing rare earth minerals things like that, and so

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Speaker 16: this is a tool the president is using, not intended

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Speaker 16: and primarily to raise revenue, but using the tariffs as

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Speaker 16: part of the president's foreign policy to which the courts

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Speaker 16: are supposed to give difference. So I don't think this

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Speaker 16: is as close as anyone is set. I mean I

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Speaker 16: don't think this is as lopsided as anyone is saying.

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Speaker 16: I'm not saying Trump's going to win this one, but

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Speaker 16: I think it's a lot closer than people are giving any.

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Speaker 5: The regular conversation. I'm completely with you.

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Speaker 4: If the president has the power under the IEEPA to

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Speaker 4: regulate trade, this should be within those powers. The argument

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Speaker 4: is if it's raising revenue and tariffs are attacks, which

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Speaker 4: they seem to agree on as I heard them, then

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Speaker 4: their argument is taxation is something that happens in Congress,

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Speaker 4: and I was all I could think of was John

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Speaker 4: Roberts and Obamacare and deciding that Obamacare was a tax

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Speaker 4: to find the way to make it be legal. That

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Speaker 4: was the kind of thought that I thought they were

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Speaker 4: going with, regardless of the regular conversation, which I agree

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Speaker 4: with you on.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, And I think that that's going to be an issue.

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Speaker 16: What is the purpose of these tariffs and can you

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Speaker 16: have tariffs that are meant to serve another purpose as

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Speaker 16: opposed to permanent terriffs tariffs that are primarily a revenue

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Speaker 16: raising And so I think that's going to be the issue.

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Speaker 16: Then they got into some subsidiary but potentially important other

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Speaker 16: legal issues like, can Congress even delegate to the president

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Speaker 16: the power of taxation, things like that so called non

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Speaker 16: delegation doctrine.

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Speaker 4: And if this is a.

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Speaker 16: Power given by Congress to the president, is the so

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Speaker 16: called major Issues doctrine going to come in When it's

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Speaker 16: a big issue that affects the entire nation and affects society,

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Speaker 16: it has to be explicit, it has to be clear.

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Speaker 16: You can't shouldn't be arguing over what is the meaning

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Speaker 16: of the word regulate that that's not enough. So there

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Speaker 16: could be some technical legal grounds, but I think this

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Speaker 16: is going to come down to John Roberts. Basically in Obamacare,

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Speaker 16: he found the individual mandate to be a tax, okay,

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Speaker 16: to fall under Congress's taxing power. That's the one that

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Speaker 16: required you to buy a policy from an insurance company.

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Speaker 16: And that was a tax that blindside did everybody. It wasn't.

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Speaker 16: It was an argument made during the case by the

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Speaker 16: Obama administration, but nobody focused on it. It came out of,

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Speaker 16: you know, like left field. No one was focused on

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Speaker 16: that except for John Roberts, and he found that that

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Speaker 16: meant it was attacked. Here if he finds this is

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Speaker 16: a tax, it's just the opposite. It's to rein in

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Speaker 16: the executive branch, not empower it the way Obamacare did

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Speaker 16: or Congress. So yeah, I don't know which way this

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Speaker 16: one is going to go. Clearly the three liberal women

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Speaker 16: are against this. I mean they don't you know. The

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Speaker 16: one thing I'll say about the three liberal women there,

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Speaker 16: they don't hide which way they're going to go. Right,

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Speaker 16: you know by the end of every oral argument, which

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Speaker 16: way they're going, at least on politically charged important issues.

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Speaker 16: The other ones, I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's talking to William Jacobs and Cornell Law professor

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Speaker 4: Legal insurrection dot Com, I would say to you that

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Speaker 4: it's it's not even a question that that happened to

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Speaker 4: all be women, the liberal justices.

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Speaker 5: You never have to question where they're at.

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Speaker 4: We always know where they're at.

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Speaker 5: I want to share this with you.

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Speaker 4: This was a commentary over there at CNN regarding this

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Speaker 4: case and regarding President Trump.

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Speaker 5: Let me know if you can hear this listen.

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Speaker 3: Coming from.

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Speaker 15: Questions, But we can just start with Chief Justices Robberts.

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Speaker 15: Why not he's the chief Justice? As he mentioned, Generally,

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Speaker 15: the Congress has the power to tax, and it's a

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Speaker 15: power that's reserved.

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Speaker 4: Only for them.

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Speaker 15: Trump's lawyers or the administration lawyers are saying that this

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Speaker 15: isn't a tax. What they're doing is essentially regulating imports.

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Speaker 15: This is more about foreign policy, and what they're doing

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Speaker 15: is trying to bring manufacturing jobs back to the United States,

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Speaker 15: So they're regulating import to allow that to happen, and

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Speaker 15: that any taxes that that comes from that is incidental.

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Speaker 15: The lawyers on the other side are saying, as BS,

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Speaker 15: this is a tax and only the Congress has.

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Speaker 5: The right to do that.

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Speaker 15: Now, it is a note that Justice did bring up

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Speaker 15: that in emergency situations, the president does have more power,

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 15: and we're going to hear this question answered of Trump

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01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 15: has this notion now that he can decide when it's

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Speaker 15: an emergency, and he's tried to use that with immigration,

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01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 15: he's tried to use that with Terris. I think we're

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Speaker 15: going to get an answer as to whether or not

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Speaker 15: a president can unilaterally decide when it's an emergency, so

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Speaker 15: he should get more power.

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Speaker 4: Then he probably the fundamental problem with that argument, William Jacobson,

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Speaker 4: as I see that's Dante Mills, a criminal attorney there

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Speaker 4: on CNN. If the president can't decide when the emergency

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Speaker 4: is who in the world decides.

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Speaker 16: I think Trump's going to win that one easily. The

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Speaker 16: issue of ken is this an emergency? I don't think

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Speaker 16: the Supreme Court's going to second guess him on that.

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Speaker 16: If they do second guess him, then it's over for

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Speaker 16: the Trump administration. But I don't think, you know, the

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Speaker 16: statute gives the president the power to decide if there's

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Speaker 16: an emergency, and I don't see the Supreme Court, unlike

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Speaker 16: maybe some district court judges nitpicking whether this is an emergency.

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Speaker 16: So I think he wins that. The question really is

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Speaker 16: if this is an emergency and if he did properly

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Speaker 16: invoke emergency powers. Is one of those powers the power

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Speaker 16: to impose tariffs. That's where I think this is going

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01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 16: to rise or fall.

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Speaker 4: I've got more with William Jacobson, Carnol Law professor, Legal

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Speaker 4: insurrection dot Com coming up talking about Heritage Foundation and

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01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:31,799
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson that leaked meeting with Kevin Roberts the president

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01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 4: or people were demanding he resigned, some people say he

1344
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 4: wants to stay. But in either case, what really happened here?

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Speaker 4: William Jacobson has the story that's coming up next keep

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Speaker 4: it here.

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Speaker 5: This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 4: So once again Speaker Mike Johnson is taken to the

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Speaker 4: podium to talk about the Democrats shutdown.

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Speaker 5: There was an interesting piece from Byron York.

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Speaker 4: It was Byron York where he said, if Democrats are

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Speaker 4: going to continue this thing, you got to start doing

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01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 4: oval office addresses and let Trump do the heavy left

1354
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 4: to beat the snot out of these people. The problem

1355
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 4: is Trump wants to and the filibuster and the Senate

1356
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 4: has been very clear it ain't happening, it ain't coming.

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Speaker 4: We're not doing it. Stop talking about it. Not that

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Speaker 4: Trump's gonna stop talking about it, by the way, Tony Katz,

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Speaker 4: Tony Kats today, good to be with you. Yes, you

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Speaker 4: heard me right. There is a thought process that Schumer's

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Speaker 4: going to keep this thing going. Well, we want in

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Speaker 4: New York, we want in Virginia, we want in New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Clearly we're very popular and the people love us.

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Speaker 5: Let's keep it going. Let's keep it going.

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Speaker 4: Let's see how much pain we can exact because we

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Speaker 4: actually believe that Republicans.

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Speaker 5: Are taking the hits here. This is not the case.

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Speaker 4: But if you can keep pushing a messaging that way

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01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 4: without an effective messaging back, maybe you can turn the tide.

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Speaker 4: And I put forth to you that I think Speaker

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Speaker 4: Johnson has done an outrageously good job regarding the messaging,

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Speaker 4: but maybe it needs a different messenger.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: It's like when your company has a CEO and then

1375
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 4: you realize, wait, this CEO was only built to do this.

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01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 4: To get to the next phase, you need a CEO

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Speaker 4: that does something else. This is the difference between the

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Speaker 4: peacetime and the wartime. Consilieri. I am not arguing against

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Speaker 4: whether or not Speaker Mike Johnson's been good at his job,

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Speaker 4: better I think than anybody assumed. He has handled the

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Speaker 4: speaker position, and I think he's going to be speaker

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Speaker 4: for really as long as he wants to be speaker.

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Speaker 4: But if you want somebody who can drop a hammer

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01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 4: on the left and I mean just beat the living

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01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: you know what's not out of them, then of course

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01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 4: what you need is Trump. That's exactly what you need.

1387
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 4: So let's not kid ourselves here. This could be the way,

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Speaker 4: but you can't have the fellow Bester conversation involved, But

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Speaker 4: leave that to the side.

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Speaker 5: Is it possible that Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Think, well, everything's so good. We we're gonna keep getting this.

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01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 4: We're gonna fight till we get the subsidies. We're gonna fight.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna keep things closed out. Things are gonna get bad. People.

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Speaker 4: Grandma is not gonna make it for Thanksgiving. And that's

1395
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Speaker 4: not me talking to you, that's me talking to my kids.

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Speaker 4: Because grandma's supposed to make it for Thanksgiving. What am

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01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 4: I supposed to do? Actually let her get on a

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Speaker 4: plane that's gonna be diverted somewhere because of air traffic control.

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Speaker 4: That is not gonna work out well. By the way,

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Speaker 4: I need I need a private plane. I don't even

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01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 4: know why don't I have a private plane.

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Speaker 5: It's madness, I tell you.

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01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: They're serious, right, They're like.

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01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 4: Our messaging on lowering costs has resonated. This is the

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01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 4: clear victory. Let's go keep getting victories.

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01:23:59,439 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: There's there's a whole conversation here to get into about

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01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 4: the election post mortem where Republicans are like, Okay, we've

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01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 4: got this, we see what happened here, We're good. Some

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01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 4: of it is a touch reactionary, some of it is

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01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 4: stuff we've talked about right here. If you're going to

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01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 4: try and sell look how well things are doing. Look

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01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 4: at where the economy is. You got to actually go

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01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 4: sell your message, and Republicans haven't done it. Hey, we

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01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 4: know tariffs are increasing costs. Here's why we're doing it,

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01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 4: and here's why it's going to help in the long run.

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01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 4: Make people feel like they're a part of something. That's

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01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 4: the thing to do. The Republicans haven't done it. We've

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01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 4: talked about this here numerous times, and they're finally starting

1421
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 4: to get the message. The problem with Democrats is that

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01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 4: they overplay their hands. Elizabeth Warren said, Democrats have cost

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01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 4: the country last night, who ran on affordability one, because

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01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 4: that is at the heart of what Democrats are fighting

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01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 4: for right now. Healthcare is the tip of that, but

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01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 4: it's also utility costs, grocery costs, housing costs, all the

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01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 4: things that Donald Trump prompt ms to lower that in

1428
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 4: fact have increased. Well, they all haven't increased. Settled down,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think you get to blame the president

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Speaker 4: for a lack of housing. That's weird unless you're going

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01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 4: to point to a specific policy that keeps the housing

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01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 4: from actually taking place. But if your answer is rent control, okay, comedy,

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01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 4: we're gonna have this conversation, and we're going to show

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01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 4: what has happened to New York in other places when

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01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 4: they tried this, and how utterly it failed, and how

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01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 4: it's going to destroy everything, and how all the money

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01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 4: is going to flee, and therefore they're going to raise

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01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 4: taxes on people who make sixty two thousand dollars a

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 4: year and no one's going to be able to afford anything. Well,

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01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 4: everyone's dependent on government. It's an ugly scene in scenario.

1441
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 4: But if you think you can win with that, well,

1442
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,799
Speaker 4: then go about it. That doesn't mean that Republican shouldn't

1443
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 4: talk about affordability. It means we should be talking about

1444
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 4: why the policies we have have more value for you

1445
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 4: and your kids in the long run.

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01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 5: But you can't deny that.

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01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,839
Speaker 4: If you're increasing tariffs and people are paying more for goods,

1448
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 4: that's a bad scene. You cannot deny economic realities. That

1449
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 4: is nutty, it's dangerous, it's foolhardy, it's ignorance. And I

1450
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 4: have said this about Scott Bessett, the Treasury Secretary and others.

1451
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 4: You can't tell people things are great when it's not.

1452
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 4: They won't buy the lie. And it is a lie.

1453
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 4: It's a lie. I don't think you should lie. But

1454
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 4: the left always overplays their hand, and their answer is

1455
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 4: going to be more government, and their answer is going

1456
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 4: to be more control, and that is going to turn

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01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 4: people off. Their answer to affordability is text the other

1458
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 4: guy more. That's gonna be the whole message. That's gonna

1459
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 4: be the whole everything. Every answer from the left is

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01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 4: you pay a little bit more, and you pay a

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01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 4: little bit more. And they believe this message was so

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Speaker 4: strong and may it can continue the shutdown. So this

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01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 4: is what Republicans are now up against. And Speaker Mike

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Speaker 4: Johnson has thoughts, but.

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Speaker 21: They've been out in their districts working very hard to

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Speaker 21: help their constituents navigate through the chaos that's been created

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01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 21: by the Democrat shutdown. And if you're keeping count, this

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01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 21: is day thirty seven, thirty seven. It seems unbelievable to

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01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 21: us that we've gone this long. It is officially, and shamefully,

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01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 21: the longest shut down in US history. Republicans feel very

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Speaker 21: helpless about the situation because, as we've noted, there is

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Speaker 21: really nothing for us to negotiate. We sent them a

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01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 21: clean cr as you know, back in September. September nineteenth,

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01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 21: we passed it out of the House. It feels like

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01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 21: a lifetime ago, but that was a non partisan measure.

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01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 21: It was twenty four pages in link that has no

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Speaker 21: Republican priorities on it at all.

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01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 11: It was merely the status quo to keep the lights

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01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 11: on so that the.

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Speaker 21: Members of Congress and the Republican and Democrat Party could

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Speaker 21: work together to finish the government funding appropriations process.

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Speaker 9: See.

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Speaker 4: I think this is is a great example of right now.

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01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 4: Mike Johnson might not be the best approach. The approach

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01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 4: is we're on day thirty seven of the shutdown and

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01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer wants to starve your kids to death. I

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01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 4: don't know why he wants this, but he will not

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01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 4: vote to reopen the government. And Democrats have said, we

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01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 4: don't care if your kids die, and we don't care

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Speaker 4: if grandma makes it for Thanksgiving. Democrats have said, we're

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01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party and we don't give a damn. That's

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01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 4: the way it has to be said. And Mike Johnson

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01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 4: needs to change the temperature. He needs to do that

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01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 21: And the Democrats try to turn that into a game. Now,

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01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 21: we're going to give you the latest updates on that

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Speaker 21: and where we think this is headed. But I just

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Speaker 21: first want to address in a bit more detail the

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01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 21: current state of our politics. It has been very interesting

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Speaker 21: to us to see all the pundits trying to spin

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01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 21: the results of the election on Tuesday. I just want

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01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 21: to point out some simple facts here, and as usual

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01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 21: I try to be conciled and give you the highlights here,

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01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 21: but there's some things that we really need to point out.

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Speaker 11: First. There were no surprises on Tuesday night.

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Speaker 21: Okay, you had blue states and blue cities that voted blue,

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01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 21: to the alarm of no one, to the surprise of

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01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 21: no one, that was what was expected. It just so

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01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 21: happened that New York and New Jersey and Virginia were

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Speaker 21: the states that were in the national spotlight on Tuesday.

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Speaker 21: If the tables have been turned, and if the calendar

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Speaker 21: had been different and you had three red states, we'd

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Speaker 21: have an entirely different narrative that you all would be

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Speaker 21: writing about.

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Speaker 11: Don't lose the simple facts.

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Speaker 21: Second, the big headline that everyone is writing about appropriately

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01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 21: is that the future of the Democrats was set in

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Speaker 21: New York City. A thirty four year old Marxist is

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01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 21: now the leader of the Democratic Party, and it is

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Speaker 21: a very dangerous road for them to go down.

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Speaker 4: But they're going down it. Without question, they are going down.

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01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 4: And by the way, that is a good point that

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01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 4: he made. Now it's not a perfect point, but it

1524
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 4: is a good point. There is an election post mortem,

1525
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 4: and I've been giving it that not everything that you

1526
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 4: see is the end of civilization, and not everything that

1527
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 4: you see is actually what has happened. Take a look

1528
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:17,759
Speaker 4: at numbers, take a look at data. Data tells the story,

1529
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 4: and when you look at it, you see, oh my gosh.

1530
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 4: We are not a communist nation, but we do have

1531
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 4: to be aware of who's running, who gets emboldened. We

1532
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,560
Speaker 4: are not a progressive nation. We have to take a

1533
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 4: look at what people are actually paying attention to, not

1534
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 4: what we think is so valuable. The numbers don't lie.

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01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 5: I've got that coming up. This is Tony Kats today.

1536
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 4: So I continue my conversation with William Jacobs and Cornell

1537
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 4: law professor legal insurrection dot com regarding all the bruhaha

1538
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 4: regarding the found the Heritage Foundation, This defense that Kevin Roberts,

1539
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 4: the president of Heritage, put on Tucker Carlson. The interview

1540
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 4: with Nick Fuentas when it was seemed pretty clear based

1541
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 4: on the video, he didn't quite understand what had happened.

1542
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 4: He didn't understand what Tucker was saying, what Nick Fuentes

1543
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 4: was saying, who Nick Funtdace was, what Tucker has said before.

1544
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 4: There was this outrageous disconnect that was taking place right

1545
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 4: in front of everybody's eyes. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

1546
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 4: good to be with you. I get back to William

1547
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 4: Jacobson of Legal insurrection dot com. This story is about

1548
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 4: Kevin Roberts and his defense of Tucker Carlson's interview with

1549
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 4: white nationalists and JU hater Nick Foytaes. I don't think

1550
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 4: I'm saying anything that isn't one hundred percent accurate based

1551
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 4: on Nick points his own comments and commentaries and giving

1552
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 4: this full throat of defense of Tucker Carlson, not that

1553
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 4: he would have somebody on that you disagree with, but

1554
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 4: rather any conversation of noticing that is siding with globalists

1555
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 4: and siding with mouthpieces. The response month from Heritage has

1556
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 4: been inside the room. Massive people have resigned from the

1557
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 4: anti terrorism a task for us here. You have been

1558
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 4: very very strong on this conversation as you often are.

1559
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 4: But Roberts said after a staff meeting was leaked, he's

1560
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 4: staying in. He's going to remain at Heritage Foundation. If

1561
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 4: you are going to distill this to a fundamental to

1562
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 4: an elevator pitch, you are trying to explain this to

1563
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 4: somebody else's to what the real issue is here?

1564
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 5: What's the real issue here?

1565
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 16: The issue is Tucker Carlson, It's not Nick Fouendes, okay.

1566
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 16: And the issue is that the Nick Founds interview did

1567
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 16: not is not a one off, okay. This is a

1568
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 16: two year pattern, basically since October seventh, of Tucker Carlson

1569
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 16: trying to drive up Christian hatred of Jews, trying going

1570
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 16: being on a jihad against Israel. So this comes after

1571
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 16: Tucker has already platformed and promoted and called the most

1572
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 16: honest living historian, a guy who claims Churchill with the

1573
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 16: band in World War Two and Hitler was just misunderstood.

1574
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 16: He found himself in a difficult situation with all these

1575
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 16: Jews who had no place to go, and he didn't

1576
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 16: really want to kill them. I mean, that's the gist

1577
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 16: of what he's saying. So we have that guy, we

1578
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 16: have Tucker platforming people who are anti Israel, priests who

1579
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 16: claim that israel I e the Jews, are responsible for

1580
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 16: the decline of Christianity even in the Muslim world, portraying

1581
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 16: Jews as the problem, Jews as the enemies of Christians,

1582
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 16: Jews as wantonly killing Christians in the Middle East, when

1583
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 16: we all know it's the Muslim world that's doing that.

1584
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 16: In fact, Israel is the one place where Christians are

1585
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 16: safe in the Middle East. And there's dozens of other

1586
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 16: instances where he for two years has been on a

1587
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 16: tear non stop almost every show or at least every week,

1588
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 16: platforming and promoting and nodding along with these people who

1589
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,560
Speaker 16: blame Jews for everything, Blame Jews for control of the

1590
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 16: US government, Blame APAK, which is an American organization of

1591
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 16: American citizens, for somehow controlling the United States. It's been

1592
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:13,799
Speaker 16: NonStop with Tucker for two years. And there was huge

1593
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 16: opposition to Tucker long before the fen Day's interview. Remember

1594
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 16: all the turmoil at Turning Point USA involving Charlie Kirk

1595
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 16: was not about Israel.

1596
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 3: Charlie C.

1597
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 16: Kirk was always an Israel supporter. It was over TPUSA

1598
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 16: platforming Tucker. Tucker has been a chaos agent. He is

1599
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 16: destroying the MAGA movement. He is on his own agenda,

1600
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 16: and now he's destroying Heritage because for some bizarre reason,

1601
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 16: there seemed to be a lot of people, including the

1602
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,560
Speaker 16: president of the Heritage Foundation, who put their loyalty to

1603
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 16: Tucker Carlson over the loyalty to their organization and over

1604
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 16: their loyalty to the conservative movement.

1605
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 4: Give me are give me this statement, I think hits

1606
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 4: people very odd. Tucker's destroying MAGA. Give me give me

1607
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 4: the basis that you take from that.

1608
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,440
Speaker 16: Okay, what is the MAGA movement? It is a coalition.

1609
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 16: It was a coalition of multiple religions and multiple racists

1610
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 16: and multiple ethnicities that united around the United States and

1611
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 16: making us create again. He has been trying to tear

1612
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 16: apart that coalition by ostracizing Jews from it. If in

1613
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 16: his price of admission for Jews in American society now

1614
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 16: political society, is you have to be anti Israel, and

1615
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 16: you have to buy into this notion that Israel is

1616
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 16: against Christians. And so he's tearing that apart. People who

1617
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 16: support him on the HB one visa went after viciously

1618
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 16: Indian Americans, okay. And so what he's doing is he's

1619
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 16: picking at fault lines in the MAGA movement and he

1620
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 16: wants to make it into essentially a white Christian nationalist movement.

1621
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 16: And if you do that, you have destroyed the MAGA

1622
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 16: movement because you've destroyed the coalition. Remember Donald Trump had

1623
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 16: a great victory in twenty twenty four, but it wasn't

1624
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 16: like a twenty point victory. It was a few points.

1625
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 16: You start picking away at that coalition, you start driving

1626
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 16: people out, you start only accepting into that coalition Christian nationalists.

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01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,959
Speaker 16: And I'm not saying they shouldn't be part of the coalition,

1628
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 16: but I'm saying they're not enough. They cannot alone win elections.

1629
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 16: And so he is destroying it. He's going to hand

1630
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,480
Speaker 16: the White House to a Democrat if this continues.

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01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 3: Jd.

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01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,879
Speaker 16: Vance is the heir apparent to the nomination. Very troubling

1633
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 16: how close he is to Tucker, and there's been no

1634
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 16: transparency on that. Jd. Vance gave got his job apparently

1635
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 16: because Tucker lobbied Trump to back Vance for the Senate

1636
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 16: and then to make him the VP nomination. There's some

1637
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 16: sort of bizarre relationship here. That has not been transparent,

1638
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 16: and I've been calling for over six months for Jagievans.

1639
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 16: Just tell us what your relationship now is with Tucker.

1640
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 16: I don't care whether your close friends or you're not

1641
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 16: close friends. We as a voting public are entitled to know,

1642
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 16: and that's not been forthcoming. So I think you look

1643
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 16: at how Tucker is picking apart the coalition, and that's

1644
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 16: what I mean when I say he's destroying the MAGA movement.

1645
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 16: He's picking apart the coalition, and that coalition was the

1646
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 16: only way Republicans can win an election. You cannot win

1647
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 16: an election with just one group or one piece of

1648
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:39,799
Speaker 16: that movement.

1649
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 4: So now let me remember I'm not happy with Tucker

1650
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 4: at all. I don't agree with Tucker his comments about

1651
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 4: Russian supermarkets, the interview with Nick Foyante's his conversation about

1652
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 4: Israel at large. But someone's going to say to you,

1653
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 4: what's wrong with criticizing Israel. That's going to be the

1654
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 4: response when you say that about Tucker and the Israel conversation.

1655
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 4: Your argument is he isn't criticizing Israel. You're saying he's

1656
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 4: lying about Israel's position vis a vie. For example, Christians.

1657
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:12,799
Speaker 16: Yes, exactly. He always frames things in terms of Christianity.

1658
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 16: So Israel accidentally hit a church in Gaza, he doesn't

1659
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:21,759
Speaker 16: focus on the fact that for twenty years, twenty five years,

1660
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 16: Christians have been driven out of Gaza by Hamas and

1661
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 16: the Islamis. Okay, the popular Christian postpulation of Gaza is

1662
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 16: down to, I think a couple of thousand people. So

1663
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 16: they have been ethnically cleansed from Gaza. Hamas launches a

1664
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,040
Speaker 16: war on Israel. In the course of that war, a

1665
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 16: church is hit, and that's what Tucker focuses on. Okay.

1666
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 16: Has he even talked about Sudan. Has he talked about

1667
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 16: the massacre of Christians throughout the Muslim world. He hyper

1668
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 16: focuses on Israel, frames it in terms of well, I

1669
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 16: think I'm almost quoting him exactly. Well, I'm a Christian,

1670
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 16: I'm entitled to be concerned about this. Why does he

1671
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 16: phrase it that way? And he phrases it that way

1672
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 16: because if you look at what his agenda is, his

1673
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 16: agenda is to use Israel as a cudgel against Jews

1674
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 16: around the world, but including American Jews, in order to

1675
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 16: drive them out of our political system. And so, yeah,

1676
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 16: nobody Israeli's criticized Israel. Everybody criticizes Israel. This notion that

1677
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 16: we're not allowed to criticize Israel, well, everybody criticizes Israel.

1678
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 16: But when you hyper focus on it, when it's the

1679
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 16: only thing you care about, when you pose it in

1680
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 16: religious terms, when you lie about it, when you do

1681
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 16: all those things, there's something wrong here. And we don't

1682
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,439
Speaker 16: have to ignore what we're seeing with Tucker Carlson. It's

1683
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 16: very clear what his agenda is. And if it wasn't clear,

1684
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 16: it became clear when he gave a fluff interview to

1685
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 16: a neo Nazi. I think you were way too kind

1686
01:39:55,840 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 16: towards Nick Fuendes. Okay, and think about this, Tucker Carlson

1687
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 16: is good friends, we believe still with jd Vance, Nick

1688
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,680
Speaker 16: Fuente has said the worst things about jd Vance and

1689
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 16: jd Vance's wife, and jd Vance's wife using racial epitaph

1690
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 16: to her because she's of Indian background, And Tucker brings

1691
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 16: this guy on his show and doesn't confront him about this.

1692
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 16: So Tucker doesn't even stand up for the wife of

1693
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 16: his best friend on that show with Nick Fuendes, What

1694
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 16: is going on here? And so you know Tucker has

1695
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 16: become a malign influence, uh, and I think it's not

1696
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 16: going to get better. And I really wish that Donald

1697
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 16: Trump would speak out about it. He did speak out

1698
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 16: about it when Tucker, when Tucker sided with Iran, Okay,

1699
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 16: literally sided with Iran, and I think Trump called him

1700
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 16: Kookie Trump. I think you know, Trump has been so

1701
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 16: good on so many of these issues. He's I hope

1702
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 16: he realizes the damage Tucker is doing, uh, not just

1703
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 16: to the present, but to the future, to twenty twenty eight.

1704
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 16: I think Tucker's doing damage to the coalition that's necessary

1705
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 16: for a Republican to win. I think he's doing damage

1706
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 16: to our efforts to get things done within the government.

1707
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 16: And I think he's doing tremendous damage to JD. Vans,

1708
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 16: who has done a great job as Vice president. I'm

1709
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 16: not empty JD. Vance, but he's got to address the

1710
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 16: issue that the most malicious force, the most damaging force

1711
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 16: in Republicans sphere nowadays, is his best friend. And he's

1712
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 16: got to address that. And that's all I've been calling for.

1713
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 16: Tell us what you think about it, don't hide behind words,

1714
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 16: don't be silent about it. This is not going to

1715
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,720
Speaker 16: go away, and it's not going to get better. Address it,

1716
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 16: and then people can make a decision as voters, and we.

1717
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 4: Will leave it.

1718
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 5: There are two things.

1719
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 4: I don't know if the term was kooky that President

1720
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 4: Trump used about Tucker, but he clearly disagreed with Tucker's

1721
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 4: assessment that going after Natans and It'sfahan and Fourdeau, these

1722
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 4: nuclear sites would lead to World War three. And clearly,

1723
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson it was very, very wrong about what that

1724
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 4: would be. And never in my life have I been

1725
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:06,720
Speaker 4: told that I'm way too kind to Nick Fintes.

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01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,639
Speaker 5: That's universally a first for me, for sure.

1727
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 4: William Jacobson, Cordnell, Law, Professor, Legal insurrection dot Com. I

1728
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 4: appreciate you taking the time to be with us more

1729
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 4: to get to I'm Tony Katz.

1730
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 5: This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 4: Of course, the headline is that Nancy Pelosi isn't seeking reelection,

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Speaker 4: but we already telegraph that we told that story last week.

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Speaker 5: Tony Kats, Tony Katz today. Good to be with you.

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Speaker 4: But I think that what we need to be getting

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Speaker 4: into is from this off year election, the post mortem,

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Speaker 4: because I have never seen the Republicans move so quickly

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Speaker 4: in saying, Okay, we see the problem.

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Speaker 5: We got this all right.

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Speaker 4: This affordability conversation is really it really the issue, really

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Speaker 4: the story, and you know what, it's our fault for

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Speaker 4: not talking about it, not selling our message better.

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Speaker 5: You'll hit another record high, like really record high.

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Speaker 22: It's it's great, and that equates it's not just rich

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Speaker 22: people and that's four oh one case.

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Speaker 3: I mean that equates to everybody.

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Speaker 5: And the country is doing very well.

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Speaker 22: But as Republicans, you have to talk about it because

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Speaker 22: if you don't talk about it, you know, I saw

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Speaker 22: that they kept talking about affordability. Well, Biden was a

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Speaker 22: disaster with affordability. He had the highest inflation rate in

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Speaker 22: the history of our country. But you have to talk

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Speaker 22: about it. It's no good if we do a great

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Speaker 22: job and you don't talk about it. He is talking

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Speaker 22: about the press and I'm talking about him. Did I

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Speaker 22: tell hello, Tony Katz, good to be with you. That's

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Speaker 22: the president and he's right. You have to talk about

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Speaker 22: these things. You have to sell your story. Well, one

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Speaker 22: of the stories being sold, and this is just part

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Speaker 22: of the election post mortem.

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Speaker 5: The data matters.

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Speaker 4: We can be drawn into social media talking points from

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Speaker 4: so called influencers, or.

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Speaker 5: We could actually take a look for ourselves. Data tells stories.

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Speaker 4: Now, one of the pieces of data that tells the

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Speaker 4: stories that mom Donnie gets elected as the mayor elect

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Speaker 4: in New York and the fire commissioner resigned the day after.

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Speaker 5: Tells a story. That story connects.

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Speaker 4: With the idea that well, one million, thirty six thousand

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Speaker 4: people voted for Mamdani, million people voted for Zorn Mamdani.

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Speaker 4: I would like to give you some context that matters.

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Speaker 4: There are eight point four million people who live in

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Speaker 4: New York. Now, you can argue that some of them

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Speaker 4: are children, and they're not all voters. But eight point

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Speaker 4: four million of the eight point four million, the number

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Speaker 4: of votes that I see right now that we're cast

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Speaker 4: two million, fifty five thousand. There's an estimated remaining of

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Speaker 4: one hundred and forty five thousand, So call.

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Speaker 5: It two point two million votes. Two point two million votes.

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Speaker 4: But since those other one hundred and forty five thousand

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Speaker 4: aren't in yet, we don't know the results. Right, There's

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Speaker 4: always some straggler things. Let's say it as it is,

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Speaker 4: two million, fifty five thousand votes in a city of

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Speaker 4: eight point four million people. Of those two million, fifty

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Speaker 4: five thousand, one million, thirty six thousand and fifty one

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Speaker 4: people voted for Czarron Momdanni a million out of eight

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Speaker 4: point four that's twelve point three three percent. Let's round

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Speaker 4: it up to twelve point three four percent. Less than

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Speaker 4: twelve and a half percent of New York voted for

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Speaker 4: this kami. Maybe we all need to take breath. Maybe

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Speaker 4: we all need to recognize that elections are won by

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01:45:56,479 --> 01:46:00,720
Speaker 4: the people who show up. Maybe a ground game is very,

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Speaker 4: very important, and maybe some dollars should have been put

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Speaker 4: into these ground games. But Republicans didn't bother with that

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01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 4: because they were running Curtis Sliwa, and they knew that

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Speaker 4: was a mistake from the beginning, so much so that

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Speaker 4: they had to go for Andrew Cuomo. Now there's an

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Speaker 4: interesting piece of data there that people who didn't have

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Speaker 4: a college degree or an advanced degree went for Cuomo

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Speaker 4: and people who had advanced degrees went for Momdani. And

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Speaker 4: that'll make the left say, you see, smart people go

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Speaker 4: for the smart guy. No college educated people are indoctrinated

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Speaker 4: to vote for comedies.

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Speaker 5: That's the data points. The numbers matter, and if we're

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Speaker 5: not going to look and learn from that. We're nuts.

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Speaker 4: If we're going to learn from everything at every so

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Speaker 4: called influencers yelling at this group and yelling at that

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Speaker 4: group for their own fiefdom, we are lost. You can't

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Speaker 4: win that way, you can't organize that way, you can't

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Speaker 4: focus that way. Screw that.

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Speaker 5: Let's be smarter than that. Find everything at tony kats

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Speaker 5: dot com tomorrow. Everyone take care of it.

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Speaker 4: Is a nic