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Speaker 1: We will go over exactly this. Pacers did play last night,

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love this from Richard Richard and Mooresville Jake.

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Speaker 1: I set my alarm every weekday to hear your opening

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Speaker 1: because that alone is impressive. But he joins us now

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Speaker 1: in the program, and Ralph, I want to begin with this.

437
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time before we get into the Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones injury. Riley Leonard, who is a player that trained

439
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Speaker 1: going into the draft with Philip Rivers amongst other quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: who have done so. But Riley Leonard after his game

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville with the Colts, now we know has a

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Speaker 1: Grade one pcl sprain. I have no idea what that means,

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Speaker 1: So that means roughly what and like how severe is

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Speaker 1: something like that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, good afternoon, Jake and Riley Leonards. So PCL

446
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Speaker 6: is the posterior cruciate ligament of the knee. There are

447
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Speaker 6: four substantial ligaments in the knee, the anterior cruciate ligament ACL,

448
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Speaker 6: we know, So the brother of that is the PCL,

449
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Speaker 6: and it does very little work compared to what the ACLAN.

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Speaker 1: So that's the knee ligament. The Jake knee ligament is

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Speaker 1: the PCL ligament, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So Jake, you're pretty much not needed.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the time, okay.

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Speaker 6: And until such time that basically the knee might get

455
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Speaker 6: hyper extended and so the big leg or the big

456
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Speaker 6: bone on the bottom of the leg, the tibia slides

457
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Speaker 6: backwards a little bit and in the knee joint and

458
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Speaker 6: its sprains or stretches that PCL. And that lines up

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Speaker 6: with his what I read. You know, he finished the game,

460
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Speaker 6: he got on the plane, he went home, walked into

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Speaker 6: the complex Monday morning and said, hey, my knee hurts,

462
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Speaker 6: and so quite honestly, that's really good news that he's

463
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Speaker 6: got a Grade one sprain of the post chair cruisi ligament.

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Speaker 6: That can be managed. There's a lot of good ways

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Speaker 6: to manage that in a short period of time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and so let me ask you this, Ralph, when

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Speaker 1: the average weekend warrior, and maybe there's no definitive answer

468
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Speaker 1: on this. I realize every situation is different. But for

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Speaker 1: the average person that just goes out and plays some

470
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Speaker 1: pickup ball with some buddies, or you know, does some pickleball,

471
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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and they get they simply get

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Speaker 1: home and like, man, my knee was just last night,

473
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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, my knee was kind of sore.

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Speaker 1: Is that typically would the PCL be the most likely

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Speaker 1: of the injuries that the average person would see.

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Speaker 6: No, no, it's not, Jake. The PCL is, it's not

477
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Speaker 6: high on the list of ligament injuries in the knee.

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Speaker 6: The MCL, the medial collateral ligament, is the most commonly

479
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Speaker 6: injured ligament of the knee. That's where your knee sort

480
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Speaker 6: of buckles in to the inside. So there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of things that support the back side of the knee.

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Speaker 6: The hamstring tendons come down and cross across the back

483
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Speaker 6: of the joint, and the calf muscles come up and

484
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Speaker 6: attach above the knee joints, so there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: brace back there naturally, so the PCL has a lot

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Speaker 6: of protection. So I assume he got You know, it's

487
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Speaker 6: the NFL, right, so any hit is a big hit.

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Speaker 6: And so something occurred that jammed him either in the

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Speaker 6: lower leg or up in the quad the thigh area

490
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Speaker 6: that that forced that knee into it. Pretty excessive hyper extension.

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Speaker 2: By the way.

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Speaker 1: For the mcl I loved their baked telapia. Their big

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Speaker 1: telapia is fabulous. The cinnamon rolls at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day at mcl are also fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Ralph.

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Speaker 6: For they had some fish. What was the almadine? The

497
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Speaker 6: fish fish almandine I think was really good.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic, right, I mean, no question.

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef is my guest Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line, okay, Ralph. So the the Riley Leonard, I

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Speaker 1: know that one thing that I've learned in the discussions

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Speaker 1: that we've had is that when there are ligament injuries

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Speaker 1: or stress to a ligament, you always as a trainer

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Speaker 1: like to see twenty one days from day of impact.

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Speaker 1: For lack of a better phrase, would that be the

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Speaker 1: case with Riley Leonard? With a Grade one PCL strain.

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Speaker 1: Is it still under that? Look, he's going to need

508
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Speaker 1: three weeks before we bring it back in and revisit

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Speaker 1: it mode or is that a shorter term injury?

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Speaker 6: Well, they graded this as a grade one, which is

511
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Speaker 6: as mild as you can get on the grading scale.

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Speaker 6: So they did that via imaging MRI, etc. And so

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Speaker 6: you shorten the clock. So because it's minor, you're going

514
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Speaker 6: to have need less time for that to feel better.

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Speaker 6: And really, from this standpoint, Jake, you're right, and I

516
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Speaker 6: appreciate you being a good student of the biology of

517
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Speaker 6: these things, but we're going to shorten that timeframe for

518
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Speaker 6: the PCL. Again, the hamstring, all that musculture on the

519
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 6: backside of the knee helps protect it and it can

520
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 6: sit there and sort of bathe in its own inflammation

521
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 6: and it'll heal pretty well with that. But again, tight clock,

522
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 6: and that PCL is going to heal up quicker than

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00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 6: the twenty one day plot that I usually put on them.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the injury to Daniel Jones. And again,

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef is my guest, and I want to be clear,

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Speaker 1: you know, out of respect to Ralph, these are not

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Speaker 1: situations where you are the trainer on record for them.

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Speaker 1: So we're speaking in generalities here as opposed to this,

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Speaker 1: you know a specific nature on say Daniel Jones. But

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Speaker 1: when we know that Daniel Jones had the torn achilles

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Speaker 1: and it was in a leg opposite of where we

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Speaker 1: had previously talked about the fibula fracture, is it possible

533
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Speaker 1: or even probable that that tear came from a compensation

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Speaker 1: of the way he was moving because of the pain

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Speaker 1: from the other side.

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Speaker 6: Your your intelligence starts today, So yes, that is very

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00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 6: much a compensation issue. First thought I had. I happened

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Speaker 6: to be up in Green Bay and folks up there

539
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 6: came out and said, Hey, Daniel Jones, I think he

540
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 6: just tore his achilles. And I was like, which leg

541
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Speaker 6: is it? And and they said it was his right leg,

542
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Speaker 6: And I said, he's been limping. He's been putting all

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Speaker 6: his weight on that right leg ever since the injury

544
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Speaker 6: to the fibula, and so predictable. No, but Ben, once

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Speaker 6: it happened to say, man, a high percentage of the

546
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Speaker 6: rationale of why has to go to the fact that

547
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Speaker 6: he was basically doing one leg at hops for this

548
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Speaker 6: entire injury period. You know, we may last week talking

549
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Speaker 6: about how painful that intererossius membrane is between the fibula

550
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Speaker 6: and the tibia, and I watched him on television with

551
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Speaker 6: some of his warm up stuff and that they had on,

552
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Speaker 6: and I could just see, you know, hips lifted a

553
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 6: little higher on that left side. He was really putting

554
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Speaker 6: a lot of pressure on the right leg and didn't

555
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Speaker 6: anticipate it. But I'm not shocked that that compensation caused

556
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Speaker 6: that incident to occur.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of an injury, okay, And we're going to

558
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Speaker 1: speak again in generalities here, but a high level athlete

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Speaker 1: that is twenty eight years old and has the phibia

560
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Speaker 1: issue on the left side and now the achilles on

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Speaker 1: the right. The achilles is going to be the longer

562
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Speaker 1: term injury. If we are in December right now, the

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Speaker 1: a realistic time frame as to when Daniel Jones will

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Speaker 1: have complete range of movement and basically unimpeded movement getting

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Speaker 1: back onto the field would be what month.

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Speaker 6: Well, don't compare it to Tyrese because of the difference

567
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Speaker 6: in sports R and so I would anticipate that between

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Speaker 6: now and camps in May. You know, that's six months

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Speaker 6: from now, he could very much be flat footed, no boot,

570
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Speaker 6: no restriction of flat footed movement, sort of getting up

571
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Speaker 6: on his toes and throwing the football. And so I

572
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Speaker 6: would anticipate seeing that as well that you know, come May,

573
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Speaker 6: I think people will be very excited and say, boy,

574
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Speaker 6: he looks great, he looks great, but there will be

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Speaker 6: an additional probably four months of time. So now we're

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Speaker 6: into ten months, which puts us into what October to

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Speaker 6: where sitting here in the cold of December and trying

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Speaker 6: to forecast this, I would say, ten months from now

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Speaker 6: you would have a very normal looking quarterback with both

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Speaker 6: legs available.

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Speaker 1: So would he be able to go the full rigor

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Speaker 1: of workout, say in August, in September you're saying Ralph,

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Speaker 1: and then October is when he looks good or October's

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Speaker 1: when he can then finally begin to ramp that up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, in generalities, now, Jake, in generalities, I would see

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Speaker 6: that as he would be a be able to jog,

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Speaker 6: be able to be in controlled settings. So you know,

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Speaker 6: he might mirror a coach or an athletic trainer that

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Speaker 6: sort of mirrors his tells him to move left, move right,

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Speaker 6: move backwards, forwards, backpedal, so forth, in controlled environment where

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Speaker 6: you can ask questions after each movement, how do you feel,

592
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 6: what's that look like, what's your heart rate at? And

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00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 6: so yeah, he'll have a lot of good controlled activity

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00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 6: throughout the summer months, Ralph.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go, I wanted to ask you this.

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Speaker 1: You know, I had somebody that told me once they

597
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Speaker 1: were in the in the Air Force, and their job

598
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Speaker 1: in the Air Force is they were a mechanic on

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Speaker 1: the Air Force, you know, in the Air Force, and

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Speaker 1: they worked on some of the carriers out in the

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Speaker 1: you know, at sea. And he said, man, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what.

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Speaker 2: He goes.

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Speaker 1: There was there was always such a cool thing when

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Speaker 1: the pilots would take off after we had done a

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Speaker 1: routine maintenance on the plane. They would kind of dip

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00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: the wings as they took off, kind of as a

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Speaker 1: salute and a tip of the cap to the guys

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Speaker 1: that had worked on the planes.

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Speaker 2: And he goes.

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Speaker 1: It was always such a gratifying feeling and it was

612
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: so cool and it made my work worth it. Do

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00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: you as a trainer feel that when you see an athlete?

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Speaker 1: And I know that that as a trainer, you know,

615
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Speaker 1: you get to know individuals, but at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you still have a job to do right, which is

617
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Speaker 1: just to to treat, to determine what's going on, and

618
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Speaker 1: then to advise on how to get a player healthy again.

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Speaker 1: Do you get that feeling of a gratifying feeling when

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Speaker 1: you see an athlete going out and running back out

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Speaker 1: on the field for the first time.

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Speaker 6: You've captured it very well, Jake, And I'm I'm almost

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Speaker 6: emotional as you talk about that, because i can recall

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Speaker 6: so many times where you assist an athlete as an

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Speaker 6: athletic trainer and you've got them at their most vulnerable

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00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 6: time when they're you know, initially injured, and you work

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Speaker 6: with them through the time going back and they're the

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00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 6: ones who can fight in you. They cry on your shoulder,

629
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Speaker 6: they cuss at you, there's all of that process. But yeah,

630
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 6: when they when they get back to their craft at

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Speaker 6: full go, there's there's an unbelievable amount of of of

632
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 6: pride and and so forth. I'll give you a true

633
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Speaker 6: story from this weekend. I was in Green Bay with

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Speaker 6: the Packers. Chris Carr doctor Chris Carr sports psychologists. He's

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00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 6: worked with multiple organizations around the world, he's been with

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Speaker 6: the Packers the last six years full time, and their

637
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 6: quarterback Jordan Love made a comment in the media this

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Speaker 6: week that he says, you know, the game goes well

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Speaker 6: when I get in the flow, and that comes exactly

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Speaker 6: from doctor Chris Carr sitting with him and teaching him

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Speaker 6: about mental toolkits and how to manage the game. And

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00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 6: so I was with Chris and he shared that comment

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Speaker 6: with me and replayed the tape and Chris's eyes watered up.

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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, we get pretty tied up in these

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Speaker 6: athletes and what they do. If it's a driver getting

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Speaker 6: behind a car, if it's a pit crew member, if

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Speaker 6: it's somebody coming back from any kind of injury or

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Speaker 6: mental health situation. It's very, very gratifying that that's what

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Speaker 6: fires the engine each day.

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Speaker 1: and that is occasionally saying that I'm.

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Speaker 2: Intelligent on this radio program, which is very much appreciated.

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Speaker 1: Uh, even if only for a fleeting moment, and even

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Speaker 1: if it's only over the agreement of the fabulous food

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Speaker 1: look forward to talking to you again.

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Speaker 6: Okay, have a great day, Jake.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Ralphrief joining me on the program on the Joba House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line, all right, we come back.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there are situations where you can compound an injury

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Speaker 1: to make it even worse. I'm simply talking about from

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Speaker 1: a pr standpoint. I'll let you know what I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about next, Poor and.

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Speaker 5: I'm following you beg River what it called Query and

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Speaker 5: Company on Nutty three five and one oh seven five

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Speaker 5: the Fan.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Eddie Garrison out here today.

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Speaker 1: This is and I I thought this was actually later

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Speaker 1: on and to not to get too into the weeds

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Speaker 1: from a legal standpoint, you know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: put anything in jeopardy here, but but this is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So and Kurt Jeralds is doing a fabulous job pulling

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Speaker 1: all of the River's music right. You've already got I

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Speaker 1: mean you got twenty five songs cued up, right, we're

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Speaker 1: ready to go the rest of the show, I'm ask you, okay.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. If you're wondering where Eddie is today,

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Speaker 1: there was a situation. I don't want to, you know,

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Speaker 1: get too into like legal mumbo jumbo here, but I

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Speaker 1: think everyone knows by now that I did trademark the

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Speaker 1: phrase why not Indiana. I really did trademark it, and

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Speaker 1: it was not an easy thing to do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of a long and yes I had

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Speaker 1: to pay I mean not a ton, but a long process.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the name. And I truly do

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Speaker 1: enjoy the store, you know I have, but nonetheless, with

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Speaker 1: it trademarked I did. It was brought to my attention

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Speaker 1: that there's a place that is that is making money

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Speaker 1: off of my phrase that I trademarked, and so and

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Speaker 1: it's you know, I do have partnerships with the shop,

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Speaker 1: for example, like I have. That's why you don't hear

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Speaker 1: me like promoting that there's a conflict of interest there perhaps,

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Speaker 1: but I have a partnership with them. Somebody else was

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Speaker 1: selling the shirt that is in violation, so I had

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Speaker 1: to get on top of that. And you know, that's

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Speaker 1: where that is in that process when dealing with merchandising.

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Speaker 1: It came to my attention, and this is very cool.

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Speaker 1: There is a and it's not I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: of what the one is. It's not new Era, and

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Speaker 1: I can't remember which one it is. But one of

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Speaker 1: the merchandising folk with which I work they let me

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Speaker 1: know that there is a hat manufacturer of Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball hats okay, and they are doing currently undergoing a

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Speaker 1: contest for models of what they call the Big Cranium,

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Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, we live in a world

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Speaker 1: where most people are seven and a quarter seven and

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Speaker 1: three eights. Eddie is like an eight and five eight

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Speaker 1: size head. And so I said to Eddie, I go,

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Speaker 1: you should see if you can get like in on

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Speaker 1: this royalties gig as part of their Big Cranium. And

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Speaker 1: so they literally called and said, well, we need we're

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Speaker 1: doing tryouts for headshots okay, and white angle lens obviously,

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Speaker 1: but this is up in Laporte. So Eddie, they the

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Speaker 1: company here and I appreciate it. Gave him the day

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Speaker 1: off to drive up to Laporte as part of the

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Speaker 1: photo shoot, kind of like George Constanza when he became

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Speaker 1: a hand model. Eddie is apparently in the running now

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Speaker 1: for the Big Cranium, and he would be the big

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Speaker 1: cranium and they're going to use his head in imaging

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Speaker 1: and other such things because there's been kind of an

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Speaker 1: outc I don't know if it's called like the Big

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Speaker 1: Head Association or something like that, but there's this group

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Speaker 1: of people that feel like they're big abnormally large heads

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Speaker 1: are not getting focused enough in hat advertisements. So Eddie

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Speaker 1: is in the running to become the big Cranium. And

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Speaker 1: so he needed the day off to go up to

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Speaker 1: Laporte for this photo shoot and to see if that

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Speaker 1: if he could turn that and parlay that into a deal.

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Speaker 1: So he called you this morning and what like, he

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Speaker 1: was on his way up right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like eight forty five. He didn't say much.

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Speaker 2: He said, I'm going to Laporte on behalf of the BHA.

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Speaker 2: And that's what that means.

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Speaker 1: That's the Big Head Association Association, that's what that says. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that he's anyway, we wish Eddie the best of luck.

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Speaker 1: We hope that he's back tomorrow and that we can

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Speaker 1: find out whether or not. Maybe I'll get a cut

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Speaker 1: out of that, I don't know. Okay, Nore Dame, I

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Speaker 1: understand it. I do get their frustration, and I do

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Speaker 1: get there. I'm totally and I think people misunderstand here

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Speaker 1: that that like I'm that I'm sitting here saying that

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame should not have gotten into the college football playoff.

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Speaker 1: I have said, and even the biggest Notre Dame fan

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Speaker 1: out there that thinks that I'm some Notre Dame hater

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Speaker 1: will have to admit I have said all season long,

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Speaker 1: since like Week three, that if they were to continue

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Speaker 1: to win, which they've done, that I think they're one

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Speaker 1: of the eight best teams in college football, not twelve eight.

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Speaker 1: I think they're one of the eight best teams. But

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the best resumes, and I think

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Speaker 1: yesterday Notre Dame might have doubled down and might have

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Speaker 1: done it.

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Speaker 2: In air.

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Speaker 1: I will explain what I'm talking about. And we have

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Speaker 1: tickets to give away for Motley Crue. Right, how many

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Speaker 1: sets do we have to give away for Motley Crue?

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Speaker 1: One one set of tickets to give away for Motley Crue,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it in kind of a unique

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Speaker 1: fashion as well. I'll explain all of it. We'll do

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Speaker 1: it on the other side here, it's a quiring company.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to it ninety three five one to seven.

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Speaker 2: Five to the fan.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to company on ninety three five and one

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Speaker 5: oh seven five the fan.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one o'clock hour underway, and I promise I'm going

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Speaker 1: to get into that Notre Dame observation. But before we

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Speaker 1: do that, if you could please Kurt the breaking news

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Speaker 1: sounder on this just in now from multiple sources, notably

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Speaker 1: ESPN and Stephen Holder, keep in mind joining me ninety

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Speaker 1: minutes from right now, on a very busy day, forty

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Speaker 1: four year old Philip Rivers is signing to the quarterback

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Speaker 1: needy Indianapolis Colts on the practice squad. Keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: on the practice squad, meaning that he could still be

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Speaker 1: activated for the quarterbacking situation on Sunday. Now, couple of

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Speaker 1: angles and ways of which to look at this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, and I'm going to go back to what

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Speaker 1: I said off the top of the show.

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Speaker 2: And rehash this. Okay, the Colts, it's not.

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Speaker 1: At the There are certain times when you look at

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Speaker 1: a team that is in disarray and you can say

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Speaker 1: it's at the fault of the team, it's at the

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Speaker 1: fault of the general manager, it's the fault of the coach,

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Speaker 1: it's at the fault.

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Speaker 2: Of the owner.

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Speaker 1: We have seen all three of those situations repeatedly over

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Speaker 1: different variables within this franchise. Historically speaking, you could certainly

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Speaker 1: make the argument that in the early years when players

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Speaker 1: were getting released after the game and resigned on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: by the owner Bob Ursay, and Bob Bursay was calling

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Speaker 1: down plays from the press box, ownership disarray. You could

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Speaker 1: obviously then point towards multiple times where from a general

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Speaker 1: manager standpoint, they made the wrong decision or they got

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Speaker 1: too aggressive in the wrong ways, and that led to uncertainty.

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Speaker 1: With any franchise, that goes without saying that head coaches.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have great coaches, sometimes you got bad coaches.

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Speaker 1: Like any franchise, you have examples of each of those.

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Speaker 1: Historically speaking, within the Indianapolis Colts, that would be true

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Speaker 1: of any franchise. This particular situation, there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of both.

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Speaker 2: And let me explain.

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Speaker 1: It is my belief that the Cults are in a

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Speaker 1: situation right now that is.

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Speaker 2: Literally like Shoe Carnival.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just you go in and there's stuff

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Speaker 1: just flying all over the place. Here of ways that

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Speaker 1: you can look at this. You got Moody Ward, who

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Speaker 1: now is in concussion protocol for the third time this season,

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Speaker 1: and you worry about that. From an individual standpoint, you

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Speaker 1: have Sauce Gardner that you traded not one but two

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Speaker 1: first round picks for and he is now hurt. And

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Speaker 1: while he was in the pacer game last night, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they did not put him on IR So I

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Speaker 1: don't think, you know, his mobility is not that compromise.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be back, and he is

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Speaker 1: clearly an elite level player. You have the situation now though,

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Speaker 1: is this.

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Speaker 2: The Cults at the beginning of the year.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you anything you don't probably

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Speaker 1: already know, but just to revisit it, they had Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: who they had drafted as with hope and expectation of

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Speaker 1: that being your franchise quarterback. A unique player, a unicorn,

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Speaker 1: an athlete, totally tantalizing in all of the areas that

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Speaker 1: you wanted to see, except for the level of experience.

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Speaker 1: The thing holding him back it wasn't his arm. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't his size, it wasn't his strength, it wasn't his speed.

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Speaker 1: It was simply his experience and lack thereof. And also

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Speaker 1: if you were to ask the Colts, they basically said,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the things that take place inside the building,

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Speaker 1: all the behind in the scenes things, okay, is what

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Speaker 1: they were missing.

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Speaker 2: From Anthony Richardson. What they wanted to see from Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 1: So they go out and they sign Daniel Jones almost

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Speaker 1: in hopes of just creating an atmosphere of competition and

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Speaker 1: also legitimacy of the room for Anthony Richardson. Let's go

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Speaker 1: out and get a quarterback that is going to push

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Speaker 1: our young guy a little bit so that things like

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Speaker 1: doing the helmet tap and taking himself out of the game.

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Speaker 1: I've always said, when you do sports talk radio, for example,

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Speaker 1: the thing that drives you to a great extent is

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Speaker 1: not just the desire to every day do a great show,

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Speaker 1: but also to know that there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that would love the opportunity as well, and so

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Speaker 1: you just you want to continue to do it, so

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Speaker 1: there's no reason to have to put somebody else in there. Right,

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Speaker 1: you're always looking over your back a little bit in

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Speaker 1: terms of that competition. And I think for Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 1: when they handed him the keys too early, he never

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Speaker 1: had that person behind him that was pushing him a

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Speaker 1: little bit. So they bring in Daniel Jones under the

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Speaker 1: thought of, let's do this to guide Anthony Richardson and

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Speaker 1: then maybe we'll kind of get the positive byproduct of

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Speaker 1: the fact that, oh, yeah, turns out this guy can play.

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Speaker 1: And that's what happened. So now you had the best

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Speaker 1: of both worlds. You had Daniel Jones who was in

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Speaker 1: here and had this symbiotic relationship with Shane Steiken and

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Speaker 1: was able to execute flawlessly what it was the Colts needed.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't turning the ball over like had plugged

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Speaker 1: him in New York. And he was able to run

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Speaker 1: when he needed to run, which at times he didn't

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Speaker 1: do in New York because their line.

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Speaker 2: Was poorous, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And they got out to a seven and one start

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Speaker 1: and everything was literally gum drops and lollipops, literally gum

868
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: drops and lollipops. You drove on West fifty sixth Street

869
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: and before you even got to Eagle Freak, there was

870
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: like this this shoe in the air and you're like,

871
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: what's that. They're like, Oh, that's the pot of gold

872
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the rainbow. That's the Colts complace.

873
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: Because everything was rose, everything was perfect, and they're seven

874
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: to one, and then Anthony Richardson has the freak injury

875
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: and you feel terrible for him. Not Richardson's fault, not

876
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: the Colt's fault. Freak injury, freak accident. Certain guys you

877
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: can look at and say, man, for whatever reason, it's

878
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: like drama just surrounds them. Maybe, but nonetheless that's the

879
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: circumstance fault of no one. Daniel Jones suddenly has this

880
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: fracture in his fibula, wants to play through it, tries

881
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: to play through it, slides a little bit in terms

882
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: of his level of play, but not Daniel Jones's fault

883
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: and not the Colt's fault. Certain players have this like

884
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: aura of injury that surrounds them, but for whatever reason,

885
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: they play through it whatever, and then the Achilles happens.

886
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: Not his fault, not the Colts fault. So he turned

887
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: to Riley Leonard.

888
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard, young guy going into the draft, seek the

889
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: consultation of a former quarterback that tutors and preps young

890
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: players for the draft. That guy Philip Rivers, and so

891
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard has a relationship with them. There, Ryley Leonard

892
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: goes out plays, has the Grade one PCL sprain after

893
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville game, which realistically I didn't think he looked terrible.

894
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: He is more of a mobile quarterback than a throwing quarterback,

895
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: and he has limitation through the air. But they believe

896
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: enough in him that he was on the roster and

897
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: they didn't feel the need to go out over the

898
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: course of the last ten weeks and bring somebody else

899
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: in to become your backup or emergency quarterback.

900
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: And he goes in and plays and then gets hurt.

901
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: And now here we are.

902
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: So what takes us to the fact that here in

903
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: the one o'clock hour, when I was supposed to be

904
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: talking about Riley Leonards's former team, Notre Dame, that we're

905
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: talking again about Philip Rivers because Philip Rivers is now

906
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: signed to the practice squad of the Indianapolis Colts.

907
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: So what got us here? What got us here is

908
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: you go back five years ago.

909
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: You go back five years ago to where Chris Pallard

910
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 1: as the general manager of the Colts was once again

911
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: trying to basically put together the world's largest band aid

912
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: at the quarterback spot, and they tried a couple of

913
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: different things. And yes, not the Colts' fault, Ander Luck

914
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: retired at the eleventh hour.

915
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: Not the fault to Chris Pallard.

916
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: Fine, but he's going out and instead of drafting a

917
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: young quarterback or getting a drafting a Justin Herbert or

918
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: whoever else you might have thought could have been a

919
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: player for them, that go out and they're band aiding

920
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: each year with a veteran quarterback. And in twenty twenty,

921
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: which was the most bizarre year in sport, it was

922
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. Now we didn't know Philip Rivers well. We

923
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: still don't know him well because of the fact that

924
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: when he was here as a cult and he played well,

925
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: had a good year, and I think Chris Ballard and

926
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: Frank Wright, the head coach at the time, thought to themselves,

927
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: you know what, it'd be great if we can get

928
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: two years out of this guy. Because we went to

929
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs, we went to Buffalo, we got beat but

930
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: we really played well, and it was.

931
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: A weird year.

932
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: He didn't get to have like the total interaction with

933
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: the media and the fan base and represent the franchise

934
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: because it's all zoom calls and masks and COVID and

935
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: all that.

936
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: It was weird.

937
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: Everything was weird, not at the faults of anybody circumstantial,

938
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: but it was weird. And so the Colts, I think,

939
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: really thought to themselves, if we can get a second

940
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: year out of Philip Rivers, that will be huge because

941
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: we can continue to try to figure out what we

942
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: want to do at quarterback. But this guy still has

943
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: some gas left in the tank. And as they tried

944
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: to talk to him about it and Philip Rivers, it

945
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: was clear was just kind of at the end of

946
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: his road. You know, maybe they could have called his

947
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: former quarterback coach in San Diego slash Los Angeles. Maybe

948
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: they could have called a guy that Philip Rivers had

949
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: a really good walking step relationship with, that he trusted,

950
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: that he worked well with. And if they'd have called

951
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: that guy his name and he wasn't with the organization,

952
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: but his name was Shane Steiken, and Shane Steiken had

953
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: coached with Rivers, coached four Rivers, i should say, with

954
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: the Chargers, and now here we are. So the Colts

955
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: find themselves in situation where they had signed Brett Rippon

956
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: as their emergency quarterback, Riley Leonard as their backup Anthony Richardson,

957
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to play this year. I

958
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: just don't think it's going to happen. Not his fault,

959
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: circumstantial freak accident, but with the orbital bone fracture. And

960
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: that hurts just to say it. To think of a

961
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: guy coming back after that, after having a surgery on

962
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: a bone in his eye and have to play a

963
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: full contact sport, one would think that it takes more

964
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: time than that. But you have Daniel Jones who now

965
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: has had surgery. He's theoretically going to be out of commission.

966
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is a guy that you have on contract

967
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: for next year. You don't know if Daniel Jones can

968
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: play next year. You also don't know if he's even

969
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: going to be under contract here next year. And you

970
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: have Riley Leonard that maybe you saw enough in to

971
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: say there might be something here that this is a

972
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: guy that can eventually become a reliable, long term Jim

973
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: Sergeie type backup court for whoever our quarterback is. But

974
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: we don't have Daniel Jones here to tutor and mentor

975
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson anymore. I don't mean that we don't have me.

976
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: You know, he's not going through practices with him. We

977
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: don't have anybody as a veteran to mentor Riley Leonard

978
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: and work with him and take advantage of the few

979
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: things that we saw that we kind of liked. But

980
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: guess what, we have a guy that has an existing

981
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: relationship with Riley Leonard and a guy that perhaps at

982
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: the very least can simply give and lead by example

983
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: on what it takes. Like Daniel Jones' role was for

984
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, who we have on contract for next year.

985
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: And Anthony Richardson and maybe.

986
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Now we realize Anthony Richardson we're gonna have to hand

987
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: the ball to for next year. So who can we

988
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: bring in that is going to mentor and serve these roles,

989
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: these duo roles and also if need be, play some

990
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: quarterback for us. That's scenario and reason one why Literally

991
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers just left some high school that he was

992
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: working at. He probably was walking through the hallway and

993
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: some bike shorts and they came down with a pink

994
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: pass and they're like excuse me, mister Rivers. You have

995
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: a phone call in the office and he walks down

996
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: there and he picks it up. You know, hello, Now

997
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: can you imagine that conversation? Well, Dad Gumant, I can't

998
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: believe you're calling me. Look Philip, you know, and I

999
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: can't even do it, Chris Ballard. But you know that

1000
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: scenario one that those are the reasons Philip Rivers is here.

1001
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: It is my belief that the reason actually is this.

1002
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: It is my belief that as I played up the

1003
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: top of the show the Doug Flutie, Hellmary, do we

1004
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: have the audio of the two plays?

1005
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: Kurt the.

1006
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I led the show with these two plays because they're

1007
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: the two that most were dancing through my head, like

1008
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: the gun drops and lollyps that have been dancing around

1009
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: on West fifty sixth Street to the first eight games

1010
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: of the year. And now we're in the spot where

1011
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm laying awake at night at three forty eight in

1012
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 1: the morning, and I'm staring at the ceiling and I'm

1013
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: seeing and hearing this going through my head all night.

1014
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 4: Totius Flush throws it down.

1015
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: Caught by Boston College. I don't believe it. Let's a touchdown.

1016
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: He's winning for it. What time, let's it come.

1017
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 7: He's got three people down the air, the ball's up

1018
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 7: in the.

1019
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 8: Touchdown put by Westral touchdown.

1020
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: And I call it in some shirtcles to heyl Mary.

1021
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: That is, indeed Keith Jackson what they call it.

1022
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: And that was the call when Cordell Stewart threw the

1023
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: hail Mary to Michael Westbrook when Colorado went into the

1024
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Big House and beat Michigan in ninety four, and before that,

1025
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: twenty years or ten years prior to that, Doug fluted

1026
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: to Gerard Falen, the two most famous hail marys I

1027
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: can remember of my time watching football, and this feels

1028
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: to me realistically like a hail Mary. Yes, I just

1029
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: laid out the business aspect of it, the foresight aspect

1030
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: of it, the kumbaya aspect of why Philip Rivers is

1031
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: back in Indianapolis. But I actually believe the more logical

1032
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: conclusion to draw here, and I understand it, is that

1033
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: this is a hail Mary. It's a hail mary for

1034
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: a franchise that has lost four or five games and

1035
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: three straight, but still with that because of to their

1036
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: credit and kudos to them, because of the position they

1037
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: put themselves in. Through eight games, they are still within

1038
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: striking distance. They are still within a Hail Mary of

1039
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They're sitting right there looking at the clock

1040
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: with at their own forty five with four seconds left,

1041
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: and they know they got to still got a chance.

1042
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 2: There's a puncher's chance.

1043
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: Right when Julian Sayin got that ball with one play

1044
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: left for Ohio State on Saturday at Lucas Oil Stadium,

1045
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: you looked at it and you went, they ain't gonna

1046
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: score here. They're too far back. He can't throw it

1047
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: into the end zone from here. Yeah, they got locked down, received,

1048
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: they got unbelievable receivers. But for whatever reason, Ryan daylike

1049
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: forgot that they're on the field. But nonetheless they're not

1050
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: gonna score here. But when you're at the forty five,

1051
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't know, man, if you can get

1052
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: it down there, Cordell Stewart, those are sixty two yards

1053
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: in there. You got a chance. That's where they are.

1054
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: And I believe that what we are seeing here is

1055
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: a general manager, not necessarily the coach, although one would

1056
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: think they're attached at the hip, but a general manager

1057
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 1: that knew going into this year that this was a

1058
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: massive year, and I have no idea, and truth be told,

1059
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody has any idea the working

1060
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: relationship between Chris Ballard and Carl Ursa Gordon.

1061
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

1062
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: It would be disingenuous for me and probably irresponsible to

1063
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: me to even speculate on what that is, other than

1064
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: to say, by all accounts, externally.

1065
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 2: Seems good, seems good.

1066
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: We have no reason to believe anything other than she

1067
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: they have totally fair and competent and aware ownership. I

1068
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: have no reason to believe otherwise. But only those two

1069
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: people truly know going into the year what the expectation

1070
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: was of what it would take for Chris Baaler to

1071
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: be retained as the general manager of the Indianapolis Colts.

1072
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: And is it possible that he, even if it wasn't

1073
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: outwardly said to him, believes the possibility that his job

1074
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: would be in serious jeopardy if in fact they don't

1075
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. And so instead of looking at it

1076
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: and saying, okay, so Riley Leonard is hurt. Sam Ellinger

1077
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: is a guy that is on a practice squad that

1078
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: we could easily get, that knows the system and at

1079
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: one time Apparently there was a enough promise seeing in

1080
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: him that the owner of the Colts at the time said,

1081
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: this is our guy moving forward and Matt Ryan.

1082
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: Third stringer.

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01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: But instead of going that route, they go back to

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01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: the familiarity of Philip Rivers. That does anybody really think

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01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: that Philip Rivers gets them to the super Bowl? He

1086
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: might get them to the playoffs, but does anybody really

1087
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: think that Philip Rivers gets you to the super Bowl?

1088
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: Because in my opinion, the only reason that you signed

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01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers at the age of forty four is one

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: of three things.

1091
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: Either because number one, you.

1092
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Need now the mentor role to come in and just

1093
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: be a steadying force in your quarterback locker room. Possible,

1094
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: not probable, possible that that's the reason. But does Philip

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01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: Rivers do that? Like I said, Philip Rivers, if you

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: called Philip Rivers to say, hey, he can use a

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01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: player coach.

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 2: I know you're coach in high school football, but.

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01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: You want to come and actually do some babysitting for

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01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: an NFL franchise in a quarterback room with young guys.

1101
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: That is like Lou Brown in Major League.

1102
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: Well, I got a guy in the other line about

1103
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 3: some White Walls right.

1104
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's that.

1105
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: Is it because they realistically think he can get them

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01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl. I

1107
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: don't think it's that. I think Philip Rivers is here

1108
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: because the Colts brass meaning Chris Ballard and Shane Steiken,

1109
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: look at the remaining schedule Seattle, San Francisco, Jacksonville, Houston,

1110
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: and they look at it and they go, we need

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01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: two wins. Can we get two wins out of these four?

1112
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 1: Can we get two wins out of these four? And

1113
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: so they look at it and they say, Okay, Jacksonville

1114
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: at home, Houston is at Houston, which is tough, but maybe,

1115
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: just maybe Houston at that point will have had that.

1116
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: There'll be at a seed where there's nowhere for them

1117
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: to go, and now that game, all of a sudden.

1118
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: Is within reach. We need two wins. And this to

1119
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 2: me jumps out like a hail Mary. It does.

1120
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: It feels like a hail Mary of we're at the

1121
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: forty five yard line. It looked like a certainty that

1122
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: we were at the very least going to be in

1123
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: field goal range, but we need five points. We moved

1124
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: the ball really well to this point. And we just

1125
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: had two quarterback sacks and a run stuffed up the middle,

1126
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 1: and the clock's running, and we got forty five seconds left,

1127
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: and we gotta throw a Hail Mary on our yar.

1128
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. And I don't damn them

1129
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: for it. I don't blame them for it. I understand it.

1130
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: But I just will go back to this point. And

1131
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's the right one. I'm not saying

1132
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: it's even a founded one. It's simply a gut feeling.

1133
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: And believe you me, at fifty three, the gut feeling

1134
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: is bigger than it was at twenty five. Okay, it

1135
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: is my gut feeling that this move only happens. It

1136
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: only happens if it's a franchise that knows that they've

1137
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: got to do something at the very end here, If

1138
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: they legitimately thought that Riley Leonard, for example, was a

1139
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: guy that they could build around for the future, and

1140
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: I know he's dinged up. The only reason you go

1141
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: and get Philip Rivers is if you are throwing a

1142
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: desperation here because you realistically feel that you can get

1143
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: into the postseason and that that benchmark is what you

1144
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: need to get to that's the goal. If we can

1145
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: just get to that point, then we'll see what happens.

1146
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: Because if there was, in my opinion, if there was

1147
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: confidence in the leadership and the stability of leadership moving forward,

1148
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: then you would be able to say, look, we had

1149
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: a really good year and a really good team, and

1150
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: I know that we owe it to our fans and

1151
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: everybody else to put our best foot forward. But realistically speaking,

1152
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: we're going to go out and sign say Ellinger for

1153
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: a game off the practice squad until Riley Leonard is

1154
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: ready to go again. And then he's a young quarterback

1155
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: that we saw a flash in and we'll see what

1156
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: we have from there and let the year pan out,

1157
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: and the next year we'll re sign Daniel Jones for

1158
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: a year or tag him and bring him back with

1159
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson and try it all over again. Because we're

1160
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: really happy with the foundation that we had, because there's

1161
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: no reason to believe they were.

1162
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: They shouldn't be anything other than happy.

1163
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: With When this group was healthy and this group was

1164
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: all together, there were some pieces there, and they made

1165
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: the move for Sauce Gardner clearly believing that they were

1166
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: all in. So if Sauce Gardner. If you make that

1167
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: move because you don't have any quarterback in the future

1168
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: because you've d you sent away your two first round picks.

1169
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: So the only way you make this move is.

1170
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: If you knew there was some sort of a benchmark

1171
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: you were that close to, and that alone, then advise

1172
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: you another year, because if you felt totally confident and

1173
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: comfortable that you were back next year, then you would say,

1174
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: you know what, let's ride this out, Let's do what

1175
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: we can, and we'll bring everybody back healthy next year

1176
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: and see where the chips fall. This to me is

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01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: a hail mary, and I think league wide it's seen

1178
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: as a hail mary, and it may work. It may work,

1179
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: it may but if it does, it'll be talked about

1180
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: in the form of the Doug Flutie pass, because yes,

1181
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: that worked to Gerard Falen, but nine times out of

1182
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: ten that ball is like Aaron Bailey and Pittsburgh and

1183
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: it bounces and hits the ground. But I want to

1184
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: know your folks thoughts on it. Scott Agnes. In thirty

1185
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: an hour from now holder, we're going to table a

1186
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: Notre Dame talk for this because it's big. Philip Rivers

1187
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: is now back once again as an Indianapolis Colt, at

1188
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,879
Speaker 1: least for now in the practice squad.

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01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: Two nine ten seventy.

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01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: You love it, you are skeptical of it, or you're

1191
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 1: in mockery of it. Two three nine ten seventy. The

1192
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: telephone number for you to sound off. Philip Rivers back

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01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: with Indianapolis.

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01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 5: You're listening to Query and Company on ninety three five

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 5: and one oh seven five.

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:28,480
Speaker 1: Okay, a couple of house cleaning notes here. Number one

1197
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers for right now is on the practice squad.

1198
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: He is a twenty twenty six NFL Hall of Fame semifinalists.

1199
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: I believe is where it stands right now. But Hall

1200
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: of Fame eligibility is of course dictated upon I believe

1201
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: it's five years removed from the paperwork official for retirement.

1202
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: If Philip Rivers.

1203
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: Is to play a game or sign to the active

1204
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: roster of the Indianapolis Colts, then that clock resets and

1205
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 1: it would be twenty thirty one the class before he.

1206
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: Is eligible again, assuming this is the only year that

1207
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: he plays.

1208
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: That is house cleaning item number one, because several people

1209
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: have asked number two. Maybe it just so happens that

1210
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is like, you know what, I'm swept up

1211
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: and captivated in the best story in college football. And

1212
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: my coach, my quarterback coach back from my days as

1213
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: a wolf Pack member of North Carolina State, is now

1214
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: in Bloomington, Indiana, and I want to go hang out

1215
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:35,879
Speaker 1: with Kurt Signetti.

1216
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that's it.

1217
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: Maybe it's that he said, you know what, I have

1218
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: a mentor type relationship big brother, little brother with Riley

1219
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: Leonard among other quarterbacks like Drake May that I have

1220
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 1: tutored and worked with heading into the draft, and I

1221
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,440
Speaker 1: want to go help him further in his time in Indianapolis.

1222
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: That's possible.

1223
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: It's possible that Chris Ballard looked at it and said,

1224
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: you know what, Daniel Jones was a really good, consistent,

1225
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 1: veteran driving force for us, and now he has bigger

1226
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: things to worry about, like his surgery, and so we

1227
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: need another veteran in here to mentor our young guys,

1228
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 1: both Riley Leonard and Anthony Richardson. And maybe it's simply

1229
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: that Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are looking at it saying,

1230
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: we've got to try to salvage the season. We got

1231
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs where we are close to it.

1232
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: We've got to salvage the season somehow. That's also possible.

1233
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: But I'd like to know what you folks think at

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01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: two thor nine, ten seventy and your overall thoughts on this.

1235
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers now back with the Colts. We will begin

1236
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: with John, who joins us on the show. Hi John,

1237
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: how are you hey?

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,440
Speaker 9: Jake overall feelings. First of all, this is objectively hilarious.

1239
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 9: Second of all, it's objectively awesome. Let me paint a

1240
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 9: picture for you.

1241
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 10: Sunday night, I'm devastated.

1242
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 9: I'm listening to this that you know, the sad girl

1243
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 9: music that girls in high school listened to these days

1244
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 9: after a breakoup.

1245
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: The cure on all night.

1246
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 9: Well, I mean you might not know Phoebee Bridgers, Gracie.

1247
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 10: Let's see, Lizzie McAlpine.

1248
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 9: Like, I was just devastated thinking back to weeks one

1249
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 9: and eight and how we were so back as a

1250
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 9: franchise and then all of a sudden, poof, it's gone,

1251
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 9: and then hearing the Rivers rumors yesterday, and then now

1252
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 9: it's a reality, and all of a sudden, I'm back

1253
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 9: in I'm back on the ship, sitting atop Uncle Phil's

1254
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 9: shoulders to ride us into these next four weeks.

1255
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 10: Who knows what the hell is going.

1256
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 9: To happen, but at the very least it's gonna be

1257
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 9: cinema to watch. I mean, he's going up against this

1258
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 9: terrific defense in Seattle. It's probably gonna rain in Seattle

1259
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 9: even worse than it did in Jacksonville.

1260
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 10: And he's gonna play.

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01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 9: Riley's not ready, He's gonna step in and you know,

1262
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 9: second play of the game is going to go forty

1263
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 9: yards to pit. I think he's the one who threw Yeah,

1264
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,879
Speaker 9: he threw Pitt's first touchdown.

1265
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: Correct.

1266
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 9: Anyways, it's just been an insane forty eight hours.

1267
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 10: The real reason this happened, there are zero options out there.

1268
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 10: There's a guy who grew up.

1269
01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 9: In this uh in this offense to some degree because

1270
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 9: of shanean in the coaching tree that he was a

1271
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 9: part of. And you know who cares that the at

1272
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 9: this point, everyone's talking about it in this shock and

1273
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 9: his colt sands this is what we expect at this point.

1274
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 10: What the hell, man, Let's enjoy it. Try to get

1275
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 10: in the playoffs.

1276
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: John, I'm there for it. I hear you.

1277
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: Let's enjoy it. I like it, Tony, Yes, do you

1278
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: find this to be great?

1279
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 2: Or what's your thought?

1280
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 8: What I did?

1281
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 11: I wonder if it was Bellwards I did.

1282
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 8: I think it's great. I think the best we've done

1283
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 8: since Let's left was when Rivers was here.

1284
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: The only thing I don't disagree with any of that, right, right,

1285
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: the only thing there is it was five years ago.

1286
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 2: That's my arly hesitating.

1287
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,679
Speaker 1: And you know what, Like I saw a Colts player

1288
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: last night and I said, hey, man, how about Philip

1289
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: Rivers coming back? And then I said, but it's been

1290
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: like five years, right, And we both looked each other,

1291
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: like man, time flies. And I say that not in

1292
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: in pessimism, but in reality, right, I mean in the

1293
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: terms of the human body, waiting five years before you

1294
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: come back, that's going to be And I get it.

1295
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Rivers is probably in a physical condition even

1296
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: at forty four than most people are at twenty nine.

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01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: I totally get that. Bruce. Yeah, you're up, Bruce, what's up?

1298
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 8: Well?

1299
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 12: You know, I mean whenever I watched this game last week,

1300
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 12: and you know, it goes from boom and going right.

1301
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 12: So now all of a sudden you hear these report

1302
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 12: Chester he's coming in for a workout, and I mean,

1303
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 12: Philip Rivers is my it's not going to imagine it

1304
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 12: be like for me you're coming back to that's a

1305
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 12: different story.

1306
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 13: I mean, whatever you look at.

1307
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 12: I'm trying to make sense of this because I know

1308
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 12: Philip with what stycking in San Diego.

1309
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 2: Right, correct, That's correct?

1310
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 12: Okay, Yeah, So I mean and the psyching has to

1311
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 12: trust in him, and he knows Shane system, so that

1312
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 12: is a plus. And then the fact that he's worked

1313
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 12: with Riley the way he has it makes you wonder

1314
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 12: if maybe they're going to be like, Okay, give him

1315
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 12: a headset and say talk to Riley talking through this,

1316
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 12: because you got to wonder how much that Riley's actually

1317
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 12: worked with. I mean, he hasn't worked with the ones

1318
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 12: at all until this week, and now he's hurt, so

1319
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 12: he's not even gonna get the chance to do that.

1320
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,799
Speaker 8: So I mean, I don't.

1321
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 12: Have any doubt that Philip can go out there and

1322
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 12: probably play.

1323
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 8: When he's been working.

1324
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 12: With his high school you know team down here to

1325
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 12: Alabama or whatever for the last five years. If he's

1326
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 12: been running with those boys, he's probably still a little

1327
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 12: bit of shape. He can probably throw the ball.

1328
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: It's Bruce. I like Bruce. I don't and I appreciate

1329
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 2: the call.

1330
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't rule out what you said there, Bruce said,

1331
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: the possibility of you know, maybe this is about Riley

1332
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 1: Leonard and the tutorial thereof. I mean that you cannot

1333
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: rule that out. That is entirely possible. Randy is up

1334
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: next seventy? What's up, Randy?

1335
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 6: Ah?

1336
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 10: Well, I really don't care about the coach. I have

1337
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 10: this Patriots Nation.

1338
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: No hold on, hold on, Randy, I'm gonna bump you

1339
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: up a little bit here, ease. I have problems hearing

1340
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: your I need you to talk a little louder. Did

1341
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: you say you don't care about the Golds much? This

1342
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: is Patriots Nation? Is that what you said? Randy's gone?

1343
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 2: All right? Who's next? Todd? What's up? Todd?

1344
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 14: Hey?

1345
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 13: What's happening to Jake? Are you there?

1346
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: Todd? I'm here? Hey? This is what's happening? Todd? Is

1347
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: it not? Listen? Listen?

1348
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: Hold on, We're gonna start this all over again. That

1349
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: was the lamest what's happening of all time. You are

1350
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 1: mister Colt's optimism, typically your mister energy, and you sounded

1351
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: totally deflated and defeated their following up nomb nuts Randy, So, Todd,

1352
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you another opportunity. We're just gonna reset here.

1353
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: We're gona take a three second pause. A line five

1354
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: is Todd, Todd, how are you?

1355
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 6: Hey?

1356
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 13: What's happening in Jake? How are you?

1357
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 2: That's more luck kicked? All right, Todd? What do you think?

1358
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 13: Okay, hey, look what I think. I think you gotta

1359
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 13: take your hat off to what. I gotta believe this

1360
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 13: is Chris Ballard and you got to take your head

1361
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 13: off to Chris Ballad of what Saint psychin are trying

1362
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 13: to do. I thought you summed up like an analysis,

1363
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 13: call it on what could potentially be the minds of

1364
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 13: our executives to try to make some sort of run.

1365
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 13: I think are spot on about getting two out of

1366
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 13: the four of these games. And quite frankly, it seems

1367
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 13: like these quarterbacks are just superhumans in their forties. And

1368
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 13: I'm look, I'm all in on this. Philip Rivers saying

1369
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 13: he played good for us. Let's let's let's take into

1370
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 13: consideration that he's kept himself in pretty good shape, that

1371
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 13: he's a good football mind, and that he can go

1372
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 13: right into West fifty sixth Street and turn it right

1373
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 13: back up.

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01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 6: Jake.

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 13: I don't know about you, man, but I feel good

1376
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 13: about it. This This season could not have went better,

1377
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 13: especially the first half, and then Boom just talked about

1378
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 13: the injury bug thrown at the team.

1379
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

1380
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 13: I don't pay attention to a lot of other teams

1381
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 13: other than the Colts, but I can't imagine based off.

1382
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 6: What the.

1383
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 1: Colts have four remaining games, Todd, what what would the

1384
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: record be amongst those four games.

1385
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 13: Well, let me say one more thing. I don't we're

1386
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 13: not talking about the defense enough, Jake. Okay, in our defense,

1387
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 13: if we put look, if we play our best game defensively,

1388
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 13: I don't think there's a way that anybody can stop us.

1389
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 13: If we can hold him to a low amount of

1390
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 13: points and we can put a few and we can

1391
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 13: put a couple of touchdowns on the board, I don't

1392
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 13: see how we don't win every game, Sant.

1393
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: You're quiet, okay, all right? Fair enough?

1394
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: So, So even with Moody Ward out and Sauce Gardner

1395
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: still out and Buckner not yet back to full strength,

1396
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 1: then you're good with the defense, though, right.

1397
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 13: I think the next up. I think the next man

1398
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 13: up mentality still can continued in the Colts locker room.

1399
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 13: And if there's any Colts defensive players listening right now,

1400
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 13: or anybody Indianapolis called Wizard, which I'm sure they are,

1401
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 13: Indianapolis is behind these guys.

1402
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna get fair enough thirty six against Jacksonville,

1403
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: but I hear you might have to shore up a

1404
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: few things there, Todd, All right, we'll continue with the

1405
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: phone calls. Two thro nine ten seventy is the number.

1406
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes, by the way, joining us eighteen minutes from now.

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 5: You're listening to query a company one seven five.

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01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 8: Run full?

1409
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 2: So which is it?

1410
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: Is it savvy? Is it desperate? Is it strategic? Philip

1411
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: Rivers is signed to the Colts practice squad. But one

1412
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: would assume that when you are forty four years old

1413
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: and you are a semi finalist for the Hall of Fame,

1414
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: five years removed from the last pass you threw in

1415
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: the NFL, which was for the Indianapolis Colts in a

1416
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: year where he did play, well, do you come back?

1417
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,480
Speaker 2: Do you sacrifice.

1418
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: Being around your kids for a couple of months to

1419
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: come back and be on a practice squad, pick up

1420
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: your check for a couple grand each week, sit in

1421
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: film rooms to tutor Riley Leonard Anthony Richardson.

1422
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 2: Or are you coming back because.

1423
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: Dad Gummett, you're gonna get out on the field and

1424
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: wing the ball around and try to lift this team

1425
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. And if you are the front office

1426
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: of the Colts, are you signing said quarterback because you

1427
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: believe that he is a solid citizen that is needed

1428
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: in your locker room? Or are you doing it because

1429
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: Dad Gummett, you need to get in the playoffs if

1430
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: you want to be back next year. Those are the questions.

1431
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: With those of the answers, we go to the phone lines.

1432
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: JD joining us. Now, Hey, guys, how we're doing a

1433
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: great voice?

1434
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: Have I told you that before? I think you may

1435
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: have said that when I called in about Dan Weldon. Yeah,

1436
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: you got you got a great voice.

1437
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,479
Speaker 8: Appreciate it, Appreciate it. You know.

1438
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 11: My whole thing is Phil Rivers was solid when he

1439
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 11: was with the Colts, and I've.

1440
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 8: Always been a fan of his.

1441
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 11: I thought he did is real good when he was

1442
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 11: here the last time, and I was kind of surprised

1443
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 11: that the Coast didn't give him an extended contract when

1444
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 11: he retired. I think he is somebody who can come

1445
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 11: in and do what needs to be done. If just

1446
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 11: getting in the playoffs is what the the goal is,

1447
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 11: he can do that for us. Now I was talking.

1448
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 8: Go ahead.

1449
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: Let me let me call you off there and ask

1450
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: you this question, JD, because I think you make a

1451
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: very interesting point. Number one, I think the Colts would

1452
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: have loved to have signed him to a second year

1453
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: last go round, but they couldn't convince him to do it.

1454
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

1455
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: But number two, when you mentioned that, and I think

1456
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: you made a very interesting point here, JD, still stick

1457
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: with me when you said, I think he can get

1458
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: them to the playoffs if that is the goal. Do

1459
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: you believe that if he gets them into the playoffs,

1460
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: that the Colts are a viable Super Bowl contender? No, okay,

1461
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: and I don't, and I agree with you. So that

1462
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: raises then the question of if in fact, getting to

1463
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs is the end goal goal here, why would

1464
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: that be unless I believe, unless you have a front

1465
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: office that believes that that is what is necessary for

1466
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: them to pass go collect two hundred dollars and get

1467
01:22:59,280 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: to go in the next year.

1468
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 11: I believe being this incentive base that the front office

1469
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 11: needed to get this team to the playoffs. By hook

1470
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 11: or crook, we are in a desperate situation, desperate times

1471
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 11: to bring forth desperate measures. So if we get to

1472
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 11: the playoffs, which is pretty much just making it probably

1473
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 11: through the first round, and that's it. Hey, they achieved

1474
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 11: what they wanted to do, which is more than what

1475
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 11: it was looking what it was looking like as of

1476
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 11: last week. So I think that's what the ultimate goal is.

1477
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 11: Let's just get to the playoffs and we'll work on

1478
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 11: what we're going to do next year. I've never seen

1479
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 11: anything look so blakd. This city was up on high

1480
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 11: horses at the beginning of the season. Because I'll be

1481
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 11: honest with you, prior to this season, I was talking

1482
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 11: to my buddy coach, and I kept saying, I say,

1483
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 11: the coach can win eight games eight.

1484
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 2: Games, and we've achieved that.

1485
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 11: But now we have had bad luck spring up on us,

1486
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 11: and now it is just basically trying to save face.

1487
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 11: And I think this whole I think this whole thing

1488
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 11: is trying to trying to help the fans get over

1489
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 11: what is a miserable situation that really no one had

1490
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 11: control over de'sine I'm trying.

1491
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: I would tend to agree. Look, and I appreciate the

1492
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 1: call of j D. I agree that there are circumstances

1493
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: that have come their way that are beyond their control.

1494
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: But the desperation at quarterback situation is within their control

1495
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: because it was they who's sent. And I know I

1496
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: keep banging on this, but not one but two first

1497
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: round picks, two of them. So it's you keep forgetting that.

1498
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: You say to yourself, like, well, you know, the quarterback

1499
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: situation is kind of bleak right now, and who knows

1500
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: what happens with Jones, but you know they'll have to

1501
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback or reset that table. You know, you

1502
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: talk about Philip Rivers, if he plays in the game,

1503
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: will reset his Hall.

1504
01:24:57,800 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 2: Of Fame eligibility back five years.

1505
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: And realistically speaking, this potential at quarterback sets them back

1506
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: five years depending on what happens here. Right, But there's

1507
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: no sense in the other thing that you have to

1508
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: keep in mind once you thought, if they thought the

1509
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: year had gotten away from them, there's kind of no

1510
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: point in just writing that out to see where you

1511
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: fall draft fis because you got no first round pick.

1512
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 2: Mike, what's up?

1513
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 4: I'm gonna suggest a blockbuster trade.

1514
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: Okay, all right now, Mike, Now just so you know,

1515
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna when you and I appreciate the suggestion of

1516
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: blockbuster trades, right, but we know sometimes blockbuster trades are

1517
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: fantasy and not reality. Okay, So are you admitting that

1518
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 1: this is fantasy versus reality or do you think this

1519
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: is realistically one that could take place?

1520
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 4: This is this is one that they have to do

1521
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 4: to get out of the box.

1522
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Davey.

1523
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 4: They need to pay two and one for a first

1524
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 4: round draft pick to get out of the bus, to

1525
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 4: need a quarterback.

1526
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 11: So you do what needs to be done.

1527
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 4: You make a blockbuster trade that found your problem. If

1528
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 4: it goes right now, you don't have to wait two years,

1529
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 4: three years, you get the first round draft pick. Next

1530
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 4: year you get a quarterback that passed.

1531
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 2: What do you think, Jake, Mike, how old a fella

1532
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: are you?

1533
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 4: I'm ninety four years old?

1534
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 2: To ninety four years old?

1535
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 13: Yes i am.

1536
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 2: Well when's your ninety fifth birthday? March March?

1537
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: What March the tenth, March to tenth. I'll tell you what, Mike,

1538
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to make an offer to you.

1539
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 6: Here.

1540
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: You ready now, it's not going to be on your

1541
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: birthday because I assume you've got friends and family far

1542
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: more important in the grand scheme than I. But I

1543
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: had a really good buddy, really good buddy about four

1544
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: years ago, okay, and he was eighty nine years old,

1545
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: and he sits me down and he says, Jake, I

1546
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: got an important question for you.

1547
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 2: And I said okay.

1548
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: And he said it's a really important matter, kind of

1549
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: like your trade here, Mike, right, And I said okay.

1550
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: And he said, I had a pack with my buddies

1551
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 1: that when we turned ninety, we'd all go to Saint

1552
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: Almo's Steakhouse and have steak dinner to celebrate ninetieth birthday.

1553
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: And unfortunately he was he you know, he got last

1554
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: in them, right, And he said, so on my birthday,

1555
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: will you take me to Saint Elmo's Steakhouse from my

1556
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: ninetieth birthday? I said it'd be my honor. And we

1557
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: had an unbelievably great dinner at Saint Elmo's Steakhouse. So, Mike,

1558
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: here's the deal. In March, I want to take you

1559
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 1: to the restaurant of your choice, and I just want

1560
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: to have lunch with you or dinner with you to

1561
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: celebrate your ninety fifth birthday.

1562
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, I'm going to trade something else. I played

1563
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 4: for Tony Ankle years ago, and he only had one

1564
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 4: on one factor the insterst It was turnovers. That's the

1565
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 4: only start that Tony Nkle kept. We called them now

1566
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 4: for turnovers now, but the day answered the game when

1567
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,080
Speaker 4: he went down on the board own head after.

1568
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 10: Name was hers.

1569
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: Now, Mike, which sport did you play? Because Tony talked

1570
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 2: three of them.

1571
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 4: Cost three of them basketball and nineteen thank you, fifty one,

1572
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 4: fifty two and fifty three in fack. I was on

1573
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 4: the ohe who's your team? When Indiana played Producer murdered Ames.

1574
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 4: That was back in nineteen fifty three.

1575
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: Now, Mike, hang on, I'm going to put you on

1576
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: hold on. You didn't you didn't take up my offer here.

1577
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to you know what, We're not even to

1578
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 1: wait till March. I want to take you out to

1579
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: lunch or dinner, just to sit and hear your stories

1580
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: about Tony Hinkle and all of the things that you learned.

1581
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 2: About the game of basketball.

1582
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 4: I could give you some stories.

1583
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what you know. My knees shake anyway. Mike,

1584
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: I do three hours on the radio, and I fear

1585
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: public speaking. But I'm going to put you on hold

1586
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: right now. And Kurt's responsibility here is to get your

1587
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: phone number because you and I are going to go

1588
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: solve the world's problems.

1589
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: Because I love it. I would rather Mike.

1590
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you listen to the show. I would

1591
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: have listen to you for three hours. Literally would have

1592
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: listened to you for three hours. So Mike, hang on.

1593
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Kurt will get your information Michael real quick before we

1594
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: take a break, and Scott Agnes in just a couple

1595
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: of minutes.

1596
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: Michael, what's up.

1597
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 10: Thanks for having me on, Thanks for having me on.

1598
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 2: Your thoughts.

1599
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 8: I can't I.

1600
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: Can't stand it for multiple reasons. I mean, I would

1601
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 2: rather roll the dice Ky Warren.

1602
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:25,799
Speaker 5: Quite frankly at quarterback.

1603
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 15: I mean I have three three big issues besides the

1604
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 15: age is one, we're having issues up front with the

1605
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 15: offensive line.

1606
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 2: The guy can't move right. Strike one. Strike two, we

1607
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 2: lose the RPO.

1608
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 5: Option that's been so successful earlier with Jat.

1609
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 15: And then the third one, even in his prime, the

1610
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 15: one big knock on on Philip Rivers was he couldn't.

1611
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,480
Speaker 2: Throw the ball downfield.

1612
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 15: So we're the fact that we're losing Alec Pearce now

1613
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 15: because that's his big thrip. So I don't know if

1614
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 15: the plan is maybe we get lucky and DFO gets

1615
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 15: back and Sauce gets back, and maybe they hope he

1616
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,879
Speaker 15: only can you know, we can win a couple sixteen

1617
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 15: to ten seventeen fourteen games.

1618
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 2: But I would rather roll the dice with Ty Warren.

1619
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 2: I just I don't like it.

1620
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 15: But the optimistic side of me, maybe it works out

1621
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 15: and we can see him rolling the playoffs, right, that's

1622
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 15: all you can ask for. And maybe he comes back

1623
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 15: for the first four or five six games of next

1624
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 15: year and holds the four down. You know, from what

1625
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 15: I've been reading, best case scenario is Danny Dimes is

1626
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 15: gonna have to start out on the pup list.

1627
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think that's right. If you

1628
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: heard rap Michael, I appreciate it. Ralphrie saying earlier that

1629
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: he thinks that, you know, in terms of Jones, that

1630
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: by say, like the nine month mark, he said he

1631
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: thinks that he could be moving around by May and

1632
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: then by September get out there. But you're starting to

1633
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 1: go up against the regular season. By the way, Mike,

1634
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: in terms of Butler Hinkle, Mike, I don't think that

1635
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: trade proposal was ludicrous, Mike. I was ready to sit

1636
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: there and say a blockbuster trade insane. Jonathan Taylor is

1637
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: a great player and Tyler Warren is the one that

1638
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: I would hate to lose. But I think if they

1639
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: if they think and only they know at the quarterback

1640
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 1: spot with Richardson and Jones what they have in house,

1641
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: but if they think they've got to go that route,

1642
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: then you're setting yourself back three years anyway.

1643
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 2: And Jonathan Taylor at that point, the timelines don't line up.

1644
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: They dealt Marshall Fulk for two and a five when

1645
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was coming in, and that seemed ludicrous at

1646
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 1: the time.

1647
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 2: Right.

1648
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that that was a ludicrous idea, Mike,

1649
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 1: and I like you thinking outside the box.

1650
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 2: So Tony Hankle does not score Mike, you with an

1651
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 2: error in that call.

1652
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 7: Uh.

1653
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: We will continue the conversation. Scott Agnes recap on what

1654
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: happened last night?

1655
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 5: Next you listening to Query and Company on Letty three seven.

1656
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 6: The fan.

1657
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: Interesting point made on the ex post twitter from jj

1658
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: WY when he was going over a production meeting, he

1659
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: said he learned that Philip Rivers and the high school

1660
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: football team that Philip Rivers coaches runs the.

1661
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,480
Speaker 2: Same offensive scheme.

1662
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: As that of the Indianapolis Colts and routinely would talk

1663
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: to Shane Steiken about the scheme itself. So that sounds

1664
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: to me like a plug and play guy, even though

1665
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: he is starting out on the practice squad. And yes,

1666
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: if you were just joining us, if he in fact

1667
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: does suit up on Sunday against a tenacious Seattle defense,

1668
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 1: then that will reset the clock for his Hall of

1669
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Fame eligibility back to five years now. Mark Dighton, you

1670
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: hear in the Morning Show, had a really good point

1671
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: that said the Colts should force the NFL now to

1672
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 1: break protocol to flex the Colts Seahawks game into the

1673
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Sunday night game so that that way Philip Rivers can

1674
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: get a longer daytime nap.

1675
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: Excellent point.

1676
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 1: Also, several have pointed out that it appears as though

1677
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Butler Hinkle Mike did not want to have lunch with me.

1678
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Kind of seemed that way, didn't it. When I was like, Mike,

1679
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to have lunch with you and he didn't

1680
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: seem overly enthusiastic. I can't say I blame him right

1681
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: for not jumping at the opportunity last night at the

1682
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: field House, Russell Westbrook, you better hope you Colts fans,

1683
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: you better hope that Russell Westbrook leaves behind whatever it

1684
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: was that he put in his water for Philip Rivers,

1685
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: because last night it was Vinage. Russell Westbrook, you had

1686
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: a triple double. But the Pacers did get the win,

1687
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: and they're starting to get contribution from guys that you

1688
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 1: didn't even know who they were three months ago. Joining

1689
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 1: us now on the Java House Peel and Port guest

1690
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: line from Fieldhouse Files Scott Agnes to talk about the Pacers. Scott,

1691
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard, and maybe I've already

1692
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: introduced it to you once or thrice, but have you

1693
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: heard the new quaryism that I came up with empty

1694
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: calorie these.

1695
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 2: Guys, have you heard this one yet? I don't think

1696
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 2: I have yet.

1697
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: Okay, So as you know, and these I did not

1698
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: trademark because I've got enough trademark.

1699
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 2: Battles blowing right now with my legal I love it.

1700
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Good for you, But twenty twenty five guy, you know

1701
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 2: that we've gone over that a lot.

1702
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: That is a guy that is destined to score twenty

1703
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 1: a game on a twenty five win team for the

1704
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: majority of his career.

1705
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 2: Okay.

1706
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: Another term that I have come up with is now

1707
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: an empty calories guy, and that is a guy that

1708
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: if you think about the post brawl Pacers, some of

1709
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: the players that they acquired through different means that came

1710
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: in and you thought to yourself like, oh, you know,

1711
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: this is somebody they might be able to get some

1712
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: some good minutes out of her, or some future with

1713
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: ikedagu comes to mind. Okay, then you realize that they're

1714
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: just empty calories. It's like when you're hungry and you

1715
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: go and you grab a bag of chips. You're not

1716
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: getting anything nutritional out of that that's going to help

1717
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: you long run. You just needed something in the short

1718
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: spurt to fill you up. The Pacers right now have

1719
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: some guys on their roster that could be empty calorie guys.

1720
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: You think to yourself like, oh wow, But then we

1721
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: are going to retroactively look back and realize they were

1722
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: just guys that were there because they needed someone to

1723
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 1: log minutes and play out the roster. Does this team

1724
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: right now, have any of those true guys or is

1725
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle starting to turn them into form a little

1726
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 1: bit into a team that suddenly is somewhat competitive and

1727
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: has a pulse.

1728
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think mainly, Jake. What they have done is

1729
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 2: make do with role players, and they're asking role players

1730
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: to take on much.

1731
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 7: Larger roles like I don't think Ethan Thompson, for example,

1732
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 7: is one of your empty calorie guys. He's a guy

1733
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 7: that hadn't got that opportunity but now has and in

1734
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,720
Speaker 7: a week has gone from two way contract to has

1735
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,799
Speaker 7: never played before, to not just in the starting lineup

1736
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 7: last night, but finish the game, which is obviously way

1737
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 7: more important and was impactful in those minutes. Same thing

1738
01:35:56,640 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 7: with Garrison Matthews.

1739
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:58,360
Speaker 2: He knows his role.

1740
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 7: It's to knock down shots and provide depth at that

1741
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 7: guard position. And I thought last night was the epitome

1742
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 7: of what this team needs in the short term until

1743
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 7: they get more guys back, and that's from Siaka, Matheren

1744
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 7: and Nimhard to play big minutes and then everybody else

1745
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 7: fills the spot and helps along the way. Last night

1746
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 7: was a game against a good team that that big

1747
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 7: run in the third quarter would have cost you, but

1748
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 7: they were able to make it up against a bad

1749
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 7: team in that fourth quarter and finished strong.

1750
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to touch on two guys and for

1751
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: those that are not familiar with or have not watched

1752
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: the Pacers a lot lately.

1753
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 2: Ethan Thompson's a young guy. I think.

1754
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: I think Oregon State am I right in that? Yes,

1755
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: I thought last night he got to start and late

1756
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: in the game. There were three plays Scott in the

1757
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that game inside of five minutes, left

1758
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 1: three almost three consecutive trips where he either worked his

1759
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 1: way in for a defensive rebound or kept loose balls

1760
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: live just strictly with hustle plays. And I mean it

1761
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: jumped out a little bit, and it kept them on

1762
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 1: a couple of possessions. It kept Indiana Sacramento looked like

1763
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: they were gonna be able to get a put back,

1764
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: and then boom, Ethan Thompson comes in kind of out

1765
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 1: of nowhere and is able to stay kind of a

1766
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,560
Speaker 1: king's moment, if you will. Now, is that simply a

1767
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: young guy that is doing what he can to stay

1768
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 1: on the floor, or is that part of his game

1769
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 1: that is exactly the reason that he's there.

1770
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 7: I would say it's a little bit of both. The

1771
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 7: main reason they brought him in is because he's a

1772
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 7: guard who can shoot it. But I think he's a

1773
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,799
Speaker 7: perfect example. And this is what you got to stress

1774
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 7: to so many of these college kids and guys that

1775
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 7: were always the star right middle school, high school, maybe

1776
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 7: once they get into college. In the pros, it's the

1777
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,719
Speaker 7: one percent, and so be TJ.

1778
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 2: McConnell. Star in whatever you can.

1779
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 7: And so while we know Ethan Thompson and Garrison Matthews

1780
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 7: can knock down threes, that's why they were brought in.

1781
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 2: In large part, Thompson's been.

1782
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 7: On quite a scoring run in the G League and

1783
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 7: was with them in Summer League a couple of years ago.

1784
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 2: See he's been on the Pacers radar for quite a while.

1785
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 7: But more than that, I just applaud Thompson Jake for

1786
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 7: all right, this is a time offensively where you're looking

1787
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 7: for the big three with Matherin, Siakaman Nemhart. So go

1788
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 7: go find a way to be useful. And this team

1789
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 7: had one offensive rebound in the first half. They had

1790
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 7: seven in the fourth quarter, and he had three of them.

1791
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 7: And I think that's the way you continue to earn

1792
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 7: this two way contract.

1793
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: You know, Matthews is a guy that when I watch.

1794
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: And I'm simply going off tea leaves here, right, I'm

1795
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: watching just kind of reading what is being said or

1796
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: listening when Carlisle is on with you know, our guys

1797
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: on the fan morning show, listening to what is said

1798
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 1: and then watching rotation.

1799
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: It seems to me, even though he did not shoot

1800
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 2: the ball well.

1801
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 1: Initially when coming to Indiana, that Rick Carlyle really likes

1802
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Garrison Matthews and likes having him in rotation.

1803
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, That's what it seems as well.

1804
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 7: That's been the impression I've gotten as well, because after

1805
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 7: that first stin it was not impressive. I think he

1806
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 7: was like three for seventeen with nine points, and then

1807
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:13,640
Speaker 7: they signed I didn't think they'd probably signed him to

1808
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 7: a second ten day contract. They did, and he's rewarded them.

1809
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 7: I think he had like ten first half points in

1810
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 7: his first game on that second ten day contract. And

1811
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 7: by the way, I should clarify here for the audience.

1812
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 7: So we'll have a decision to make on him. Because

1813
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 7: players can only sign up to two ten day contracts

1814
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 7: per team per season and so he's obviously on the

1815
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 7: second one. There they are getting some positive injury updates

1816
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 7: in the short term and long term, but right now, yeah,

1817
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 7: I've gotten that impressed in. And I think the other

1818
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 7: thing is we got to take into account is Garrison

1819
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 7: was just thrown into this right no training camp, like

1820
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 7: maybe one practice, and for how much this Pacers team

1821
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 7: wants to play, and so much of them can rely

1822
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 7: on the familiarity and continuity, but not the couple of

1823
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,040
Speaker 7: players that they continue to bring in. And so I

1824
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 7: think he really took about those ten days to settle

1825
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 7: in and now has a much better understanding of what

1826
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 7: is to be being demanded of him.

1827
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 2: Is Jay Hubb settling in? I think so.

1828
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 7: I think we've seen that over the last couple of weeks.

1829
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 7: I still believe he's a adequate backup. I have not

1830
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 7: seen starter potential, a guy that you want to play

1831
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 7: thirty five minutes per game.

1832
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 2: But I think, like we talked about last week, if

1833
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 2: he can be.

1834
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 7: That eighteen minutes per game guy, give you eight points,

1835
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 7: five rebounds, three blocks, I think that's exactly why they

1836
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 7: went out and got him. But that the center position

1837
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 7: as a whole remains unsettled to this point, but that's

1838
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 7: been the least of their worries given their injuries elsewhere.

1839
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: You know Scott when I look Scott Agnesy is my guest.

1840
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: He's on the Java House Peel and poor guest line

1841
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:44,839
Speaker 1: Field House files.

1842
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: Of course his work.

1843
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,640
Speaker 1: This week is such a weird week because they're you know,

1844
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: you're void of NBA games to a large extent over

1845
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: the course of the week because of the fact that

1846
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: it is now into that point of and you remember

1847
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 1: how how kind of surreal it was, and it was

1848
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: really the introduction for the Pacers on the national stage

1849
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: in getting to the finals of the nd Season Tournament,

1850
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 1: And it felt like at that time, and this is

1851
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: my question for you, and that first year of the

1852
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: nd Season Tournament, I thought to myself, this worked. People

1853
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: are talking about this, this feels like a big deal.

1854
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 2: It's cool. It's super fun to have these games be relevant.

1855
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 1: But the Pacers were an integral part of it because

1856
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 1: they got to the championship of it. Is it now,

1857
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: I hate to say it this way? Has it run

1858
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: its course? Was there more hype about it in year

1859
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 1: one across the board or did we just feel that

1860
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: way because Indiana was involved in it, has it lost

1861
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:43,719
Speaker 1: any steam?

1862
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 7: I think it's been a missed opportunity, Jake. I think

1863
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 7: the courts are so bad that it turns people off totally.

1864
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,639
Speaker 7: And I am one hundred percent in that boat. If

1865
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 7: there's a game going on and it's a bright purple court, honestly,

1866
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 7: I have no interest in watching. It's too distracting. I

1867
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 7: think they get rid of the gimmicks. They push it

1868
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 7: back back later in the season, then it has a

1869
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 7: lot more validity. But right now, when you're playing about

1870
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 7: a month ago, like two weeks into the season, and

1871
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 7: you're already playing these cup games with these huge implications,

1872
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 7: and more so these players wanting to get that additional

1873
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 7: bonus money, I think that's far.

1874
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 2: Too soon to do that.

1875
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 7: And also you got to keep in mind you're going

1876
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 7: against the prime NFL season when that is I make

1877
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 7: this more popular, putting it off when more.

1878
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 2: People are able to watch it. But I do agree.

1879
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 7: I think we were way more in tune and locked

1880
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 7: in on it because of the Pacers success in year

1881
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 7: one plus the first couple of years there's great intrigue

1882
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 7: about what is this and why are they doing this,

1883
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,759
Speaker 7: and what is this about do players care. It turned

1884
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 7: out they did care about the bonus money. It's great

1885
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 7: if your team can reach it. If not, I think

1886
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,719
Speaker 7: all the teams are grateful because now they play about

1887
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 7: two games in the next ten days and can utilize

1888
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 7: this as a mini week to get back to practice,

1889
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,080
Speaker 7: because already it's sad. Teams have gotten to the point

1890
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 7: where they're just not practicing very often, and I think

1891
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 7: they all could use some of that time.

1892
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 2: Man, I'll tell you what. The courts are terrible, right, awful?

1893
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Scott, there are and I don't know

1894
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: if that's I think initially that was designed so that

1895
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: if like you were walking through a sports bar and

1896
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: you looked up, you knew that, like, oh this is different,

1897
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like this must be an

1898
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: in season target game, And now I watch it, you

1899
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: can't even there was one of them, and I can't

1900
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 1: recall which game it was this year. The Pacers weren't

1901
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 1: one of them, and I couldn't even see the rim.

1902
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 1: It was like the way that on television it looked

1903
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 1: like I was watching Atari.

1904
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 2: It was awful.

1905
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 7: Here's my other argument, why do we make the Cup

1906
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 7: courts in the Cup Field way more important than the

1907
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 7: NBA Finals. Jake, you watch the NBA Finals, there's no

1908
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 7: marking physically on the court. That is the finals. Now,

1909
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 7: I think they've come out and since that all right,

1910
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 7: you didn't realize.

1911
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Kurt Jerald's was filling in for Eddie.

1912
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison today, by the way, is up in Laporte.

1913
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 1: If you if you have his number, Scott, wish him

1914
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: good luck. I hooked up Eddie with a marketing deal here.

1915
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 1: He's on his way to Laporte as part of the

1916
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: Big Head Association. He's a finalist to become a head

1917
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: model for a hat company that needs to make eight

1918
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: and five eights hats. And Eddie's like in the whatever,

1919
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 1: the one percentile of people with heads that big, and

1920
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 1: so he's on his way for the BHA to compete.

1921
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: So wish him the best of luck. That's why he's

1922
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: out today. But Kurt Gerald's when Scott just said that,

1923
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: you literally just you did like a you jumped up

1924
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 1: and you prayed to the sky in thanks.

1925
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 14: Right, Yes, because I missed the NBA Finals courts that

1926
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 14: had the big trophy right there in the.

1927
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 2: Middle of the doing it now, Scott, aren't they retarding it?

1928
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 3: Yes?

1929
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 2: That was one of the many things that have changed.

1930
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 7: We've also seen some of the national broadcasters lean into

1931
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 7: showing the national anthem and team introductions. We see that

1932
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 7: in the NFL, we have not seen it in the NBA,

1933
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 7: and I think to the point earlier though, by adding

1934
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 7: that on the court, it adds some big game feel.

1935
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 7: I never liked that they advertised NBA Summer League in

1936
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 7: the WNBAC during the finals. The showcase should be this,

1937
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 7: this is their best product, this is what it should

1938
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 7: be all about. And so they listened to a lot

1939
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 7: of feedback during the finals last year, even showing the intros,

1940
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 7: national anthem, and so I just feel like they've invested

1941
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,680
Speaker 7: more in the Cup than the finals, which is their

1942
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 7: quality product.

1943
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 2: Now, Scott, here's the million dollar quest.

1944
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you, Scott Agnes, be the judge and

1945
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Speaker 1: jury on this personal anecdote of my life.

1946
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Speaker 2: You're ready, got it.

1947
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Speaker 1: I've got to check because and make sure that I'm correct,

1948
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: because the season schedule is weird because of the end

1949
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,599
Speaker 1: season tournament, like for example, now the Pacers are next

1950
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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. Correct, Yes, and that was not I if

1951
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 1: you have like a preseason schedule that was printed out

1952
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't show it fluctuates.

1953
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Speaker 2: See boom, here we go.

1954
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Speaker 7: You would only have eighty of eighty two games that

1955
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 7: were known in August, right, Okay, so I'm I was

1956
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 7: wrong about this.

1957
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Speaker 1: I thought the Bucks were at home on Friday night,

1958
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:02,200
Speaker 1: but they might they are not. Now we do Shan

1959
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 1: and I are doing our annual trip. We spent a

1960
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: weekend in Milwaukee every year at Christmas time, just to

1961
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:11,800
Speaker 1: get away, go to dinners, shop, whatever else. And she

1962
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: was asking what sort of new things we can do

1963
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, And then I was wondering, do you think,

1964
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,360
Speaker 1: considering that we are fortunate enough to go to Pacer

1965
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:22,240
Speaker 1: games here and go to all of them, if I

1966
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: went out of town, would it be lame?

1967
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 2: Then if we went to a Bucks game.

1968
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 7: Only if you love doing I don't think it would

1969
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 7: be lame. If you like to experience new venues, new sites.

1970
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,639
Speaker 7: I'm a geek about that type of thing, but purely

1971
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 7: for just going there. I think there are way other

1972
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 7: things I get involved with before I do that. But

1973
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 7: there's an incredible deer district that could lead us the

1974
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 7: pregame post game have a nice dinner there. The Pfizer

1975
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 7: reform is really the center hub.

1976
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:52,080
Speaker 1: For all that, so so that they've got a Christmas market,

1977
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: one of those deals in the Deer District right out

1978
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 1: front of it. So I think we're doing that. So

1979
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 1: that's as close as we're going to get. But I

1980
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 1: thought they were at home. They're not at home this weekend,

1981
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 1: so it's a moot point. But is the arena nice?

1982
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 7: The Bucks Arena it is, Yeah, it's It's one of

1983
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 7: those in the fun fact that you'll appreciate. The first

1984
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 7: opponent who ever play there was the Pacers. They were

1985
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 7: their opening night for that venue back feels like twenty seven.

1986
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: You know my big fun fact about that arena that

1987
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 1: I've shared on this show many times, including knocking out

1988
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: Joel Erickson with this fun fact.

1989
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Speaker 2: Do you know what was on the What's that? I

1990
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:30,560
Speaker 2: don't know a ton about it? But isn't it the

1991
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 2: Dahmer story?

1992
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: So Jeffrey Dahmer, the chocolate factory where he worked was

1993
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 1: located on the site that is now Phi Serve Arena,

1994
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 1: so they they not because of Dahmer, but years later,

1995
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,520
Speaker 1: after all of that went down, the chocolate factory.

1996
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 2: Where he worked was torn down.

1997
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,639
Speaker 1: They eventually built the arena and the very first event

1998
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: of the arena was a concert and it was the

1999
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 1: Violent Fems and the Killers true story.

2000
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 2: How about them apples?

2001
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2002
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 14: Final about the Cannibals booked for How was your other

2003
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 14: last big trip?

2004
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 2: That's great. We went to Vienna and Munich.

2005
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 1: I went to Vienna, Salzburg and Munich, and let me

2006
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:14,040
Speaker 1: tell you, Scott, I've never been one.

2007
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this.

2008
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people that were going to Vienna,

2009
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 1: Austria because they're known for those Christmas markets, Christmas March,

2010
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 1: whichever way you want to call it. Carmel, of course,

2011
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: is now really known for it. We just went to

2012
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: the one at the Rascular, which was awesome this past

2013
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:32,600
Speaker 1: Saturday night. If nobody has been down to the Antoneum

2014
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 1: to go down for that, it is also very cool.

2015
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: And those things are kind of funny because like you

2016
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: go through them and you realize by the time you

2017
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 1: go to one of the little kiosk things, You're like, yeah,

2018
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: these are really like the same four things, but there's

2019
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,639
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty of them. But so I kind

2020
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: of wondered why people that wasn't why we went to Vienna,

2021
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 1: but Vienna is known for them, and we were there

2022
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 1: for the opening weekend of them, and there were a

2023
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:59,760
Speaker 1: lot of people from around Europe that were there for that,

2024
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 1: and I thought that was kind of weird. And then

2025
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:05,000
Speaker 1: we went through the big one in like the downtown

2026
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:08,799
Speaker 1: and they have like a like a lazy river, except

2027
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:10,600
Speaker 1: for that it's now ice and so it's like an

2028
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,160
Speaker 1: ice skating path that goes through the whole thing.

2029
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 2: It was magical.

2030
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it was like you could have had

2031
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,560
Speaker 1: that in the middle of July and you would have

2032
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: felt in the Christmas spirit.

2033
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 2: That part of it was very very cool. It was cool. Yeah,

2034
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,040
Speaker 2: it was such a good idea.

2035
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:27,599
Speaker 7: I feel like going over to do an Octoberfest. Yes

2036
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 7: up there on the bucket list. Experience there, and it's earlier.

2037
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 7: I've learned, it's earlier than you would imagine out there too.

2038
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:33,519
Speaker 2: Correct.

2039
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,639
Speaker 1: Octoberfest is actually late September, which is weird. And I'll

2040
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,679
Speaker 1: tell you this, Munich. We were only in two days.

2041
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 1: And again I know that we're very fortunate to be

2042
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 1: able to do that, and I'm extremely grateful for that,

2043
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 1: but Munich blew me away.

2044
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Speaker 2: Scott.

2045
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was anticipating. I thought I

2046
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:50,560
Speaker 1: was expecting it to be like this, kind of like

2047
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 1: stuck in the seventies type robotic type city. And it

2048
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: was beautiful. Munich was awesome. Munich was a great city.

2049
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 1: So we had a great time. It was definitely fun.

2050
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,560
Speaker 1: And then came back and you know, been able to

2051
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,799
Speaker 1: watch the Pacers kind of upticket a little bit obviously

2052
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: last night with their win against Sacramento.

2053
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 2: And now up next Philly is tomorrow night. Is that correct?

2054
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 2: Or is it Friday? No Friday? They got three days

2055
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:13,680
Speaker 2: between games. Friday in Philly is up next.

2056
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Speaker 1: All of it will be covered at Fieldhouse Files with

2057
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes, who's on the Joba House A peel and

2058
01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: poor guest line. Scott appreciated as always, man, you bet,

2059
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: thank you, Jake. All right, Scott Agnes joining us again.

2060
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Speaker 1: The other two big stories of the day, one of

2061
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 1: them which I never really got to was I thought

2062
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 1: it was interesting. I'll simply say this, the Notre Dame

2063
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 1: Athletic director basically calling out the ACC and saying, look,

2064
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 1: the ACC has really compromised our relationship with them, and

2065
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 1: I understand it, and I want Notre Dame people to understand.

2066
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 1: I totally get where you're coming from. I think Notre

2067
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: Dame is absolutely one of the eight best teams in

2068
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:53,640
Speaker 1: college football, let alone top twelve. I absolutely do. But

2069
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 1: at the same time, I also understand I'm not saying

2070
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: I support it, but I understand the hard line line

2071
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: in the sand that the College Football Committee basically laid

2072
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,800
Speaker 1: out for Notre Dame, which was, if you ever put

2073
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 1: your if you don't want to join a conference, that's fine,

2074
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 1: that's fine. Just know that you're going to put yourself

2075
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 1: in position where you're going to have to work extra

2076
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 1: hard versus everyone else.

2077
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 14: You know.

2078
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, I was going to

2079
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 1: make a bad example there about like two A versus

2080
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: six A schools whatever. I don't want to do that

2081
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:32,720
Speaker 1: because but the reality is, if you if you're a

2082
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 1: basketball player Seaton Catholic for Desmond Bine, if Desmond Bain

2083
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:43,240
Speaker 1: had been that exact same player with the exact same

2084
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:49,679
Speaker 1: statistics at Newcastle or Munsey Central or Anderson or Center Grove,

2085
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 1: he would have been way more on the radar than

2086
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: he was at Seaton Catholic. When you're a smaller school

2087
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: like that, you just got to work a little bit

2088
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:56,960
Speaker 1: not work a little bit harder is the wrong way.

2089
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 2: Of saying, but you get what I'm saying. You got

2090
01:51:58,439 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 2: to publicize a little bit more.

2091
01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 1: And for Notre Dame in this circumstance, they're the biggest

2092
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 1: brand in college football.

2093
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:04,560
Speaker 2: Everybody knows that.

2094
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 1: But when you stand on your own and you don't

2095
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:11,840
Speaker 1: go into a conference, that's their prerogative. And they don't

2096
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: need to be in a conference for any reason other

2097
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: than the committee's telling them repeatedly over the course of

2098
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:21,880
Speaker 1: a decade and a half and the athletic directors telling

2099
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:25,520
Speaker 1: them repeatedly over the course of a decade and a half. Eventually,

2100
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 1: your decision to stand on your own and not play

2101
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,320
Speaker 1: in the sandbox with other kids is going to be

2102
01:52:31,439 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 1: one that the judgment day is going to come for us.

2103
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 2: And that's what happened.

2104
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 1: And so for the athletic director at Notre Dame to

2105
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 1: now call out the ACC because they have a partnership

2106
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: of the ACC, a scheduling partnership of the ACEC, and

2107
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 1: for him to say because the ACC was making the

2108
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 1: case for Miami and not for Notre Dame, and Notre

2109
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 1: Dame got offended by that and said this has really

2110
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:59,679
Speaker 1: done terrible damage to the relationship between us and the ACC.

2111
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:03,679
Speaker 1: I get it, and I get that for ninety nine

2112
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: percent of their existence, Notre Dame has the clout to

2113
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 1: be able to make that and draw that line in

2114
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: the sand.

2115
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,800
Speaker 2: But now, for the very first time, and I know

2116
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 2: change is hard. I know it.

2117
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,679
Speaker 1: I know it all too well. I don't like change.

2118
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:22,759
Speaker 1: But for the very first time, some of that power

2119
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 1: now exists within the conferences and not with Notre Dame.

2120
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: And that's a hard pill to swallow, but it's also

2121
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: a realistic one. Philip rivers the other big story of

2122
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 1: the day. He has now signed with a practice squad

2123
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,559
Speaker 1: for the Colts. Will he play on Sunday? Stephen Holder

2124
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Speaker 2: Let's get right to this. Is Philip Rivers going to

2140
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:22,320
Speaker 2: start for the Colts on Sunday?

2141
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:27,600
Speaker 8: Well, first off, I both need some coffee, it sounds like,

2142
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:29,559
Speaker 8: so that's a great idea.

2143
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 2: Number one.

2144
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 8: Number two will he start this weekend? I think the

2145
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 8: answer is tbd. And that's an honest answer, both from

2146
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:39,960
Speaker 8: me and the Colts. I think because there is still

2147
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:43,720
Speaker 8: some potential for Riley Leonard to get back out there.

2148
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 8: I don't know what his status is. It's been described

2149
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 8: as week to week, but you know, this is certainly

2150
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 8: a desperate situation. Maybe he tries to push it. Who

2151
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 8: I don't know, and I don't know that the Colts know.

2152
01:54:57,960 --> 01:55:00,320
Speaker 8: I was told that we will know more or within

2153
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 8: maybe the next twenty four hours. So we wait and

2154
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,600
Speaker 8: we let that play out. But I think the Colts

2155
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 8: going out and looking at other options tells you a

2156
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 8: lot about the situation, right It tells you that they

2157
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 8: they are at least somewhat doubtful about rally Leonard playing

2158
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:21,560
Speaker 8: or at least concerned maybe is the better word. If

2159
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 8: they if they thought this was something he could push through,

2160
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 8: we wouldn't be here. So I think we'll have to

2161
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,880
Speaker 8: wait and see. But the odds, I would say it's

2162
01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:33,839
Speaker 8: not off the table, certainly. Okay, what is the motivation

2163
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 8: here for the Colts or for Philip Rivers?

2164
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 2: Both?

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Speaker 8: That's that's fair. Well, the Colts, the motivation is we're desperate.

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01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:51,320
Speaker 8: They are trying to make the playoffs. I think the

2167
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:55,760
Speaker 8: alternative is for them, right, is okay, we sit here

2168
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 8: and we just let this, you know, slip away. Whether

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01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 8: we think they have a a legitimate shot is not

2170
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 8: the question, right, It's about how you react to this

2171
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:08,480
Speaker 8: desperate situation. If you just sit here and say, all right, well,

2172
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 8: we'll just find whoever's out there on the couch. I

2173
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 8: guess they did that with Philip Rivers. But whatever, you know,

2174
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:18,520
Speaker 8: a more predictable guy on the couch who really gives

2175
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 8: you no shot, you're not really trying, I guess is

2176
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:27,680
Speaker 8: what they might might presume there this. While I don't

2177
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 8: know if it's going to work, I cannot even begin

2178
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:34,360
Speaker 8: to speculate if it will work, but they believe it

2179
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 8: gives them a fighting chance. And I think this really

2180
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 8: boils down to he can function quickly and make quick

2181
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 8: decisions and deliver the football. He's throwing the ball fine

2182
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 8: from what I'm hearing. Is he in football shape?

2183
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:47,680
Speaker 2: Not really?

2184
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 8: Is he up for taking the punishment? I don't know

2185
01:56:54,320 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 8: about that, but certainly he can come in anyone else

2186
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:00,760
Speaker 8: you get off the st He isn't going to know

2187
01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:03,720
Speaker 8: the offense and have the history with Shain Stikeen that

2188
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,040
Speaker 8: Philip Rivers has, which is six years of working with

2189
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 8: him that is substantial. He can come in and he

2190
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,600
Speaker 8: can operate and that won't be a problem, and that

2191
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 8: is like half the battle for a quarterback you sign

2192
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 8: off the street for what's the motivation for Philip Rivers.

2193
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 2: That's a tougher question.

2194
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:23,360
Speaker 8: Frankly, I gotta think a lot of this is I'm

2195
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 8: doing what i can to help my friend, and that

2196
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 8: is Shane Stikeen. You guys, I don't think people understand they.

2197
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,520
Speaker 2: Are very close like they are.

2198
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 1: He's there, he is one of them, by the way,

2199
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 1: Just not to cut up there, Steven, I apologize, but

2200
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,960
Speaker 1: for those listening because it's an easy thing to get

2201
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 1: confused by. When Philip Rivers was here, before he had

2202
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 1: Frank Reich, he did not have Shane Stykeen. He worked

2203
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,680
Speaker 1: with Shane Steiken with the Chargers.

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01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 8: Correct, Yes, that is correct, So Sanin Sticken's formative years

2205
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:58,240
Speaker 8: in the NFL were basically all spent with the Chargers.

2206
01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:02,800
Speaker 8: He went there as kind of a glorified intern, I

2207
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 8: believe in twenty thirteen, and he spent six seasons there

2208
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 8: with Rivers. And when he left. When Rivers left, I

2209
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:11,960
Speaker 8: should say, or his final season. I believe it was

2210
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 8: Shane's first season as offensive coordinators, so he worked very

2211
01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:19,760
Speaker 8: closely with him, including as I believe, quarterbacks coach and

2212
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 8: receivers coach for a while. So they have a lot

2213
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 8: of history. They're going to know how each other think,

2214
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 8: how each other operates. Stiching references Philip Rivers like all

2215
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 8: the time, like all the time, you know. So there's

2216
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:38,320
Speaker 8: a synergy there. So I guess that's a big part

2217
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 8: of it. Again, he's helping his friend out, and I

2218
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:42,640
Speaker 8: guess he's willing to put his body on the line

2219
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 8: for it a good friend.

2220
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 2: I guess the.

2221
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:52,560
Speaker 1: Reality is this, Steven, the Colts are let's go to

2222
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,920
Speaker 1: say it this way, Stephen holdermiguest esp dot com. In

2223
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: your opinion, the Colts are how many wins from securing

2224
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 1: a playoff spot?

2225
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 8: Well, securing is a tricky word. I think they believe

2226
01:59:06,680 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 8: two wins gives them a shot, like a legit shot.

2227
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:13,160
Speaker 8: But I think at that point you're hoping. You're probably

2228
01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 8: left hoping that a couple of other teams do you

2229
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:20,440
Speaker 8: some favors to really control your destiny the way things

2230
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 8: are going, Like the Chargers winning last night doesn't help.

2231
01:59:23,360 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 8: That gets them, I think, to nine wins and they're

2232
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 8: in the wild card. So I really think if the

2233
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:34,280
Speaker 8: nine win teams split the rest of their games, right,

2234
01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 8: that gets them to eleven. So you're fighting for that

2235
01:59:38,800 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 8: last spot? Are you going to get it with ten wins?

2236
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2237
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:45,520
Speaker 2: I'm not sure do they make this move.

2238
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm asking this not rhetorically but legitimately asking, Okay, does

2239
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:59,400
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard make this move if he is one confident

2240
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 1: and can bend that he is back next year regardless

2241
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 1: of the outcome of this one.

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02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:09,080
Speaker 8: I mean maybe, And here's why, because now, well I

2243
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:12,200
Speaker 8: will grant you that that is probably.

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02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:12,960
Speaker 2: Some extra sauce here.

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02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 8: Okay, let's be honest. No one's job, whether it's Chris

2246
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 8: Ballard or you know, or whoever's starting at you know,

2247
02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:26,080
Speaker 8: at position X, no one's job is really safe ever

2248
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:29,800
Speaker 8: in the NFL. So you're always straining and striving, you know,

2249
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:33,800
Speaker 8: to get every morsel you can. So that's the nature

2250
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Speaker 8: of the NFL. So but I do think certainly you

2251
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:40,680
Speaker 8: could you could make the argument, I don't know. Look,

2252
02:00:40,920 --> 02:00:44,880
Speaker 8: we're speculating. We can make the argument that their jobs

2253
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 8: were on the line a year ago and this has

2254
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 8: taken a turn for the worst. You can't lose all

2255
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 8: of your second half games and expect to have not

2256
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:57,280
Speaker 8: have to answer for that, right, So I think that

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02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 8: there has to be at least some thought to, look,

2258
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 8: we got to do what we gotta do. And then

2259
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:05,720
Speaker 8: you also owe it to your players. That's the other

2260
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:07,880
Speaker 8: part of this. You owe it to your players to

2261
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:10,320
Speaker 8: do everything you can and to do what you think

2262
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,960
Speaker 8: is best. And that is what they're doing here, right

2263
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 8: or wrong, better or worse. I think that's a big part.

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Speaker 2: Of it, you know. The Okay, let me ask you

2265
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:22,560
Speaker 2: the other side of that, Steven, do you believe.

2266
02:01:24,160 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 1: And I know I'm probably it's gonna sound like I'm

2267
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 1: grasping at straws Okay, which is what I do.

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02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,320
Speaker 2: You mentioned extra sauce.

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02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 1: Okay, If they had not made the trade for Sauce Gardner,

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02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,120
Speaker 1: and they knew that they still had a first round pick,

2271
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,720
Speaker 1: and they knew that they had a quarterback that they

2272
02:01:41,880 --> 02:01:44,640
Speaker 1: drafted a handful of years ago that they still don't

2273
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 1: know who he is, and they have another quarterback that

2274
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:50,280
Speaker 1: looked like he was going to be perhaps the guy. Fortunately,

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02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 1: I hate to say it that way, they had not

2276
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:54,080
Speaker 1: re signed or they had not signed him to a

2277
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:56,560
Speaker 1: long term deal before this injury. We don't know his

2278
02:01:56,680 --> 02:02:00,920
Speaker 1: status for next year. If they were in place looking

2279
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: at it saying if we make or if we miss

2280
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:05,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs, at least we have a first round pick

2281
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: to fall back on to bolster ourselves or put ourselves

2282
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 1: back in position. Does that now become meaningless? So you

2283
02:02:13,720 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 1: may as well push all in because you already set

2284
02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 1: your next two years first round picks elsewhere.

2285
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:24,200
Speaker 8: Well, I would the only thing I'd say that's a

2286
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:27,240
Speaker 8: that is something that's considered now. The only thing I'd

2287
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,920
Speaker 8: say is that they're already at eight wins. They are

2288
02:02:30,040 --> 02:02:32,200
Speaker 8: not going to have. They were never going to have

2289
02:02:32,360 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 8: some sort of top ten pick, even if they have

2290
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:37,320
Speaker 8: their first round pick. So that's the only thing that's

2291
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 8: sort of a disincentive if you're picking in the middle.

2292
02:02:40,240 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 8: I always feel like, if you're picking fifteenth, you might

2293
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:44,880
Speaker 8: as well pick like twenty second, right, you know what

2294
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:48,960
Speaker 8: I'm saying. And it's kind of like flavors at that point.

2295
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:52,960
Speaker 8: The real the real different makers, at least the obvious

2296
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:55,960
Speaker 8: difference makers, the ones that we can tell like halfway

2297
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:56,960
Speaker 8: through their senior season.

2298
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:58,680
Speaker 2: Those are the guys that go in like the top

2299
02:02:58,760 --> 02:02:59,280
Speaker 2: five or ten.

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02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:04,840
Speaker 8: So anyhow, I guess I would say I don't think

2301
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 8: it factored that much because I don't think it's going

2302
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:11,080
Speaker 8: to impact their draft pick that much. The well they're

2303
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:12,960
Speaker 8: they're they're figurative draft.

2304
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:13,320
Speaker 2: Pick have they had?

2305
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 4: Right?

2306
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean that, Steven, it's just so easy to forget

2307
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:18,440
Speaker 1: that they don't have a first round pick the next

2308
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: two years. But let's get to that situation before we

2309
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:23,720
Speaker 1: let you go here. Philip Rivers is by the way,

2310
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:25,840
Speaker 1: if you're just joining us on the program, Philip Rivers

2311
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:28,960
Speaker 1: signed to the practice squad? Uh who was on the

2312
02:03:29,240 --> 02:03:31,080
Speaker 1: did they have to make room on the practice squad

2313
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:35,200
Speaker 1: for him, or was Bred Ripen lifted up and that

2314
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:36,120
Speaker 1: created the spot?

2315
02:03:37,480 --> 02:03:38,360
Speaker 2: That is a good question.

2316
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:43,480
Speaker 8: Those machinations I think are still being worked out because

2317
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:47,680
Speaker 8: we haven't gotten like official notification of the signing, so

2318
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:54,120
Speaker 8: that that sort of uh other transaction, corresponding transaction. I

2319
02:03:54,200 --> 02:03:57,760
Speaker 8: guess that usually happens when the actual signing happens, and

2320
02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:59,560
Speaker 8: that hasn't happened yet that I'm.

2321
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 2: Aware of, so we will see.

2322
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't it feel like Philip Rivers ain't coming

2323
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:06,400
Speaker 1: here on a practice squad unless he knows he's gonna play.

2324
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 8: I mean, well, I think there's certainly a good chance

2325
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,240
Speaker 8: of him playing, right, I mean, he didn't come here

2326
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:14,560
Speaker 8: to be to hold Riley Leonard's hand, you know he is?

2327
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:19,760
Speaker 2: He ain't don Strock right, correct?

2328
02:04:19,880 --> 02:04:20,000
Speaker 4: Right?

2329
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:22,560
Speaker 8: I think that's fair. I do think that's fair. I

2330
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:25,600
Speaker 8: do think I do know I should say that like

2331
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:26,760
Speaker 8: Riley Leonard's.

2332
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:27,040
Speaker 2: Not ruled out.

2333
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 8: So in the perfect world, righty Leonard plays on Sunday

2334
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 8: as as much as we might think Riley Leonard against

2335
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:38,120
Speaker 8: the Seahawks. Come on, I mean, Philip Rivers forty four

2336
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:40,840
Speaker 8: years old, five years retired against the Seahawks come on, right,

2337
02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:44,800
Speaker 8: Like they're both ridiculous. But I do think Riley at

2338
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,720
Speaker 8: least gives you a chance because he's been he's been

2339
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 8: doing this right, he's been.

2340
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:49,720
Speaker 2: Doing it all along.

2341
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 8: And he may not have the institutional knowledge of Philip Rivers,

2342
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:56,840
Speaker 8: but certainly he has, you know, twenty three year old legs,

2343
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:59,520
Speaker 8: and that gives you something to work with. But by

2344
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 8: the way, you may already know this, but like a

2345
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:05,000
Speaker 8: a subplot to all of this is that Riley Leonard

2346
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:06,280
Speaker 8: and Philip Rivers are very close.

2347
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that, but like, yeah,

2348
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:11,280
Speaker 1: he tutored him along with Drake may up into the

2349
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 1: draft process, correct, Yeah, and Riley.

2350
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:17,440
Speaker 8: Is actually from Alabama, not far from where Philip lives

2351
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 8: down on the coast. So yeah, just kind of a.

2352
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:26,000
Speaker 1: Do you believe that that is that coincidence or is

2353
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:30,360
Speaker 1: that uh direct tie coincidence?

2354
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:33,520
Speaker 8: I do think where there is a possible tie is

2355
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:37,920
Speaker 8: the fact that they drafted Riley Leonard, because you and

2356
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:41,080
Speaker 8: I can can easily draw the dots there, right, Like

2357
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:46,320
Speaker 8: certainly Saint Styke and Chris Ballard they certainly connected with

2358
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 8: Philip Rivers before drafting Riley Leonard, because of course they did,

2359
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:55,880
Speaker 8: and so those conversations and impressions I am sure informed

2360
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:59,680
Speaker 8: their opinions of Riley Leonard before drafting him. So that's

2361
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 8: where I think there's a connection.

2362
02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:03,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Steven, let's get to a health standpoint before we

2363
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:06,320
Speaker 1: let you go here. First off, we'll begin with Sauce

2364
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:08,000
Speaker 1: Gardner and where things stand there.

2365
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:12,760
Speaker 8: Yeah. I don't know that we see him this week,

2366
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 8: but the goal is to have him back in the

2367
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:19,400
Speaker 8: next few weeks, So I think I think next week

2368
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:21,640
Speaker 8: is probably where we have we start having a realistic

2369
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,880
Speaker 8: conversation about that. Uh So, we will see, but they

2370
02:06:24,920 --> 02:06:26,640
Speaker 8: could really use him in light of what's going on

2371
02:06:26,800 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 8: with Mooney Ward.

2372
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:30,200
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the other one, Mooney Ward.

2373
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:33,160
Speaker 1: I have serious concerns about this, and I don't mean

2374
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:37,440
Speaker 1: Stephen from a football standpoint. I'm talking about anytime that

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Speaker 1: you have a player who psychologically has had some of

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Speaker 1: the you know, the emotional challenges that he's had, understandably

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Speaker 1: justifiably so with personal loss a year ago, but then

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Speaker 1: not one, not two, now, but three concussion protocol visits

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Speaker 1: in the course of a regular season.

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Speaker 2: You gotta start thinking about it, don't you.

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Speaker 8: Oh, one hundred percent I think every possible outcome is

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Speaker 8: on the table with Mooney Ward, and you know they

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Speaker 8: haven't really not not to minimize this, right, we're talking

2384
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Speaker 8: about a young man's his his brain. Frankly, we're talking

2385
02:07:12,240 --> 02:07:15,080
Speaker 8: about his brain and his future as a father and

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Speaker 8: what have you. So I would say, however, a related

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Speaker 8: note is that they have not really had any luck

2388
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Speaker 8: at all with their big dollar signings. I mean, their

2389
02:07:26,240 --> 02:07:29,840
Speaker 8: three most I think highest paid players on defense were

2390
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Speaker 8: all hurt at the same time, Sauce Gardner, Mooney Ward,

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Speaker 8: and the Forrest Buckner.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, just an.

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Speaker 8: Unfortunate series of events. But now they have the football

2394
02:07:39,680 --> 02:07:41,400
Speaker 8: gods clearly hate them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, to Forest Butner, where do things stand there? Close?

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Speaker 8: I think this week is probably pushing it, but I

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Speaker 8: bet he comes back for the forty nine ers game

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Speaker 8: next week. That's kind of where my sense is right now.

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Speaker 8: But this week hasn't been rule not either, so we

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Speaker 8: will see he's he is definitely close. The lesson I

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02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:08,600
Speaker 8: take from the Forrest Buckner's that stem cells real, You've

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02:08:08,600 --> 02:08:12,040
Speaker 8: done it twice now and has recovered when you know

2403
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:14,120
Speaker 8: he could have had a season ending injury.

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Speaker 1: From a you know, you were talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: Moody Ward concussion protocol. I know Alec Pierce was one

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Speaker 1: that we thought might go into that that would that

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02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:25,280
Speaker 1: turned out to not be the case. But I'm curious

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Speaker 1: if this Stephen may be conversation for a later time,

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Speaker 1: but does the quarterback uncertainty for next year factor in

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Speaker 1: to Alec Pearce and his desire to re sign here

2411
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:38,680
Speaker 1: as opposed to going into free agency across the board.

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Speaker 2: It would for me.

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Speaker 8: I mean, let's be honest, right, who's your quarterback next year? Alex?

2414
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 9: You.

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Speaker 8: I mean that's where I think it matters on both sides, right, Like,

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02:08:51,160 --> 02:08:54,360
Speaker 8: if you're the Colts and you you aren't sure what

2418
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:59,600
Speaker 8: you're working with next year, are you also as motivated

2419
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:02,400
Speaker 8: to pay what it's going to take to keep Alec Pierce?

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02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:05,240
Speaker 8: Because I know they were. They had come around to

2421
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:08,600
Speaker 8: that when they thought he'd be paired with Daniel Jones.

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02:09:09,400 --> 02:09:11,840
Speaker 8: That is not likely to be the case now, regardless

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02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:14,320
Speaker 8: of how optimistic a fan you are, I'm telling you

2424
02:09:14,440 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 8: right now, Daniel Jones is not going to be the

2425
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Speaker 8: starting quarterback at the start of next season.

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Speaker 2: That seems extremely unlikely. Right, So do you think he'll

2427
02:09:23,960 --> 02:09:26,120
Speaker 2: be under contract at the start of the next season.

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Speaker 8: Oh man, that is a tougher question.

2429
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:29,200
Speaker 10: I think.

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02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:35,680
Speaker 8: I think the odds are decent, but I it will

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02:09:35,960 --> 02:09:38,080
Speaker 8: take a different form. It has to write.

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Speaker 10: I mean, you can't.

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Speaker 8: You can't give him some sort of franchise quarterback contract

2434
02:09:42,560 --> 02:09:45,240
Speaker 8: when he's not gonna play, perhaps for the first year.

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Speaker 8: I don't know how you handle it. I really don't.

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02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:52,640
Speaker 8: It's it's gonna cost him money. It's going to cost

2437
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:57,680
Speaker 8: the Colts in terms of certainty. You know what they're

2438
02:09:57,720 --> 02:10:02,000
Speaker 8: signing up for. It's just a a completely imperfect situation.

2439
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:06,680
Speaker 8: The alternative, and you know, maybe this doesn't, you know,

2440
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:10,080
Speaker 8: get people excited. The alternative is go all in on

2441
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:14,320
Speaker 8: Anthony Richardson. Maybe you you trim the roster a little bit,

2442
02:10:14,440 --> 02:10:17,080
Speaker 8: trim some fat from the roster, You pair things down,

2443
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:20,600
Speaker 8: give Anthony Richardson a shot, see what happens there. Even

2444
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:23,160
Speaker 8: if you move on from him, at least he benefits

2445
02:10:23,200 --> 02:10:27,520
Speaker 8: by getting to show himself for a free agency and

2446
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:29,760
Speaker 8: then you regroup in twenty twenty seven. But I mean,

2447
02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:31,640
Speaker 8: we're so far off from that, I can't even begin

2448
02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:33,880
Speaker 8: to think about it. But those are some of the

2449
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:37,080
Speaker 8: those are some of the actual scenarios that are going

2450
02:10:37,120 --> 02:10:37,640
Speaker 8: to be in play.

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02:10:38,240 --> 02:10:38,520
Speaker 6: Okay.

2452
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 2: Lastly, Stephen, be honest. Okay, I want you to roll

2453
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:44,200
Speaker 2: up your sleep and put truth to them in your vein.

2454
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 2: You ready, all right, I'm ready. Did your alma mater,

2455
02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:50,000
Speaker 2: Miami deserve to get in above Notre Dame?

2456
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 8: Yes?

2457
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:52,560
Speaker 2: Now, here's the deal.

2458
02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:57,880
Speaker 8: I think their losses were very comparable. There were, so

2459
02:10:58,760 --> 02:11:00,560
Speaker 8: if you and you can disagree with that. But if

2460
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:03,520
Speaker 8: you if you, if you agree with that, well then

2461
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:06,280
Speaker 8: and then you look at heads ahead, then what are

2462
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:06,960
Speaker 8: we talking about?

2463
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:07,320
Speaker 4: Right?

2464
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:10,840
Speaker 1: Well, the fact that Miami, somehow mysterious had vaulted them

2465
02:11:10,840 --> 02:11:12,880
Speaker 1: when both of them were idle, Right, isn't that what happened?

2466
02:11:14,120 --> 02:11:14,280
Speaker 6: Well?

2467
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:16,880
Speaker 8: Sure, But then I think I think the bigger question

2468
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:19,800
Speaker 8: is why why was there the separation to begin with?

2469
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:23,560
Speaker 8: I think is the bigger question, right, And I think

2470
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:26,440
Speaker 8: that that's the thing that the committee has to do

2471
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:29,760
Speaker 8: a better job of explaining because they still haven't.

2472
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:30,040
Speaker 4: Right.

2473
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:33,480
Speaker 8: So it's like the heads of head didn't matter until

2474
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 8: it did. So I don't know the process is flawed.

2475
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:38,840
Speaker 8: I do agree with some of the takes I've heard

2476
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:41,960
Speaker 8: about the having the two is a group of five

2477
02:11:43,720 --> 02:11:47,080
Speaker 8: teams in there. I think that maybe should be looked

2478
02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:50,320
Speaker 8: at because I mean, let's let's be honest. Congrats to

2479
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 8: James Madison. I don't know, man, you know, I just

2480
02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 8: don't know. I think they lost.

2481
02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:59,760
Speaker 2: Who did Miami lose to? Who were Miami's losses? Louisville

2482
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:02,000
Speaker 2: and s m U come on both of them, which

2483
02:12:02,160 --> 02:12:03,360
Speaker 2: that's not that's not compearable.

2484
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 1: And I realized one of them. The irony here and

2485
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 1: the thing that makes it murky is one of Notre

2486
02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:09,520
Speaker 1: Dame's losses is to Miami. But Miami in Texas A

2487
02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:11,400
Speaker 1: and m in the first two weeks, both on the road,

2488
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,480
Speaker 1: are less egregious than I mean, those those aren't. SMU

2489
02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:18,080
Speaker 1: and Louisville aren't terrible, but they're not great losses.

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02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say, I would say, I think it's

2491
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:25,720
Speaker 8: after that, the the the number of ranked opponents at

2492
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:28,400
Speaker 8: the time that they played them. I believe Miami had

2493
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:31,560
Speaker 8: had the edge there. So like there's always there's always

2494
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:33,520
Speaker 8: arguments that you can counter with.

2495
02:12:34,240 --> 02:12:35,840
Speaker 2: And you know you can do it all day long.

2496
02:12:35,960 --> 02:12:38,600
Speaker 2: Right now, Miami plays you in the in the playoffs,

2497
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:39,879
Speaker 2: they played.

2498
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 8: That's A and m So there go so it's tough one.

2499
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:43,600
Speaker 1: Miami.

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Speaker 8: I will say Miami has their offense has has really

2501
02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:50,040
Speaker 8: found its stride, which I think is a product of

2502
02:12:50,120 --> 02:12:52,920
Speaker 8: Mario crystal Ball shutting the hell up and letting his

2503
02:12:53,000 --> 02:12:54,440
Speaker 8: coordinator coach. But that's another story.

2504
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:56,800
Speaker 2: What's the name of that what's the name of the stork.

2505
02:12:58,080 --> 02:12:58,720
Speaker 8: Of the ipis?

2506
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:02,920
Speaker 1: That's he's but that's his name, the Ibis bird, And

2507
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:05,320
Speaker 1: that's because that's the bird that is always the last

2508
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:06,920
Speaker 1: one to leave when a hurricane arrives, in the first

2509
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 1: one to come back.

2510
02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:10,560
Speaker 8: Right, legend had it, But you know I don't. I

2511
02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:13,400
Speaker 8: don't tend to stick around to find out that's yeah.

2512
02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:15,720
Speaker 1: If the Ibis has this figured out, because he's like,

2513
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put that in the pr release and

2514
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:21,560
Speaker 1: nobody knows the difference. Nobody's sticking around to tell the

2515
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:23,880
Speaker 1: truth or not, right right right? You know, I was

2516
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:27,280
Speaker 1: doing a little bird watching a hurricane and.

2517
02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:29,880
Speaker 8: I noticed the I suck him ound, Like who discovered that?

2518
02:13:30,240 --> 02:13:31,000
Speaker 8: Like what idiot?

2519
02:13:31,160 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 1: The ibis did the Ibis cent a press release because

2520
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:35,959
Speaker 1: he was on top of it. He was at the forefront.

2521
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:38,400
Speaker 1: It was like me, it was like me trademarking white

2522
02:13:38,440 --> 02:13:38,960
Speaker 1: out Indiana.

2523
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:40,640
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta think of you know what it

2524
02:13:40,720 --> 02:13:42,160
Speaker 2: one rainhom of no abuilt the arc. You know what

2525
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean. You gotta know what you're doing, all right.

2526
02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:48,440
Speaker 8: Saved some professor from the the Arts and Sciences school,

2527
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:51,040
Speaker 8: you know, right when I did a research project in

2528
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:52,520
Speaker 8: Middle bart Apparently.

2529
02:13:53,120 --> 02:13:54,360
Speaker 2: The one guy sticking around.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

2531
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:57,360
Speaker 2: They found his paperwork after the fact, but not the guy.

2532
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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Steven appreciate the time as always. I know you're busy,

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Speaker 1: and we'll let you get back to work at ESPN

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Speaker 1: dot com. All I'll see you soon, Hi, Steven Holder

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Speaker 1: cooking on the Big Show. Plenty of philip.

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Speaker 14: Rivers have philip Rivers conversation. I used stuff to Matt Surface,

2564
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:23,120
Speaker 14: former linebacker, is going to be on here. Charles Arbuckle,

2565
02:15:23,200 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 14: former Colts tight end radio network analysts also going to

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Speaker 14: be on here. So we got a lot of a

2567
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Speaker 14: lot of angles to hit on philip Rivers back after

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Speaker 14: five years.

2569
02:15:33,560 --> 02:15:34,840
Speaker 2: We got to think comparable here.

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02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:37,200
Speaker 14: I know everybody's trying to be funny about it, So

2571
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:38,800
Speaker 14: I want to go ahead and jump into to try

2572
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:39,360
Speaker 14: to be funny.

2573
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Speaker 2: Anything comparable to it good. It's a good question, you know.

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02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:44,080
Speaker 2: I guess it would be.

2575
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:48,480
Speaker 14: All those George Foreman comeback story kind of things.

2576
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:49,560
Speaker 2: Maybe back in the day.

2577
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking maybe like late in his career,

2578
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:54,840
Speaker 1: like when Alixer Junior came back and ran the five

2579
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:57,040
Speaker 1: hundred another time, you know after Oh.

2580
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Speaker 2: You're talking about waiting.

2581
02:15:58,120 --> 02:15:59,840
Speaker 14: I'm just talking about I was just coming back in

2582
02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:02,200
Speaker 14: general after years in a hiatus.

2583
02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's.

2584
02:16:05,160 --> 02:16:07,080
Speaker 14: You think this offensive line would be nice if they're

2585
02:16:07,120 --> 02:16:09,040
Speaker 14: better too, maybe protect him a little bit, not get

2586
02:16:09,120 --> 02:16:11,520
Speaker 14: him killed out there. And that's a Pacific North you

2587
02:16:11,600 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 14: worry about that, right, I mean, and listen, there's one

2588
02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:17,200
Speaker 14: hundred percent, zero way this guy's going to sign after

2589
02:16:17,320 --> 02:16:20,040
Speaker 14: five years not doing it and not come out there

2590
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Speaker 14: and be the dude.

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Speaker 2: No question, zero question. Way can you imagine I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: stand here on the sideline. That's why I said he's

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Speaker 2: not coming to be Don Struck's down Struck right.

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Speaker 8: Zero way.

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Speaker 2: So I will say this, it makes it more interesting.

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Speaker 14: It is it more interesting than either Riley Leonard or

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Speaker 14: uh Brett Ripping. But it's just kind of par for

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Speaker 14: the Colt's course here.

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Speaker 1: That's just what's so unfortunate, John, I think it looks

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Speaker 1: like a hail Mary, doesn't It looks like a hail Mary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like they are throwing a desperate

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Speaker 1: heave of like we.

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Speaker 14: We are limping our way to the believe that they're

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Speaker 14: like a decent quarterback away from still getting in this thing.

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Speaker 14: I don't know, I don't think they're doing it to

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Speaker 14: save their own assets here. I just think they're doing

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Speaker 14: it because they feel that around them if they can

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Speaker 14: get a confident quarterback play. Now, the problem is that

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Speaker 14: Daniel Jones had zero mobility, and zero mobility is much

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Speaker 14: better than a mobility you're going to get from forty

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Speaker 14: four year old.

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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers's a zero way about that.

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Speaker 14: But I mean, now all of a sudden, I mean,

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Speaker 14: you couldn't adjust a passing game for Daniel Jones. Now

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Speaker 14: you kind of got to adjust it a little bit

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Speaker 14: for Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 2: One thing that I did see, but.

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Speaker 14: Josh Josh downs to get rediscovered again.

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Speaker 1: And you know, JJ Watt pointed out that Philip Rivers

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Speaker 1: was running for the high school team that he was coaching,

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Speaker 1: the exact same offensive scheme that Shane Stakin runs, so

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Speaker 1: he's familiar with it.

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Speaker 14: But still to protect your guy, I mean, you got

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Speaker 14: to protect him, There's no doubt. I do find it

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Speaker 14: interesting though. I have a high level of interest in this,

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Speaker 14: more so than I did going in, So.

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Speaker 2: Will you'll be interested in more of what John has

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Speaker 2: to say. I like the first time if something works

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Speaker 2: out for him like this, though that's true.

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Speaker 1: He'll be with you till six. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: you at noon tomorrow. And I thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: to the Quarry Company