1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: I will finish my thought on Trump and Ukraine. I promise, 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: very rarely do am I not able to fit it 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: all in, but there was a lot I miss timed. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I will finish it. Tony Kats. Tony Katz today, good 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: to be with you. We are still following the story 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: of the sniper in Dallas. The sniper took his own life, 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: a detainee dead, two injured. This information can all change, 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: So this is what we've got right now. 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: There was a press conference earlier. 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: I'll share more of that, but I wanted to dig 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: in on what it is that we're seeing here, what 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: we saw in Dallas. And one could argue it's a 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: copycat killing. It's a copycat of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: And these things take place because we as a nation 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: don't all see things the same way. We don't actually 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: engage things the same way, and we aren't engaged with 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: the same people. The separation in terms of news is 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: very obvious and very complete. The left watches CNN and MSNBC. 19 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: The right doesn't, but keeps an eye on those places 20 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: to hear what kind of insanity they're spewing. The left 21 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: does not engage any other news source unless it is 22 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: even further left leaning, and they internalize all of it. 23 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: We have made the statement that I believe I should say. 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: I have made the statement that I believe that the 25 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: left has been jitting up lone wolves for years now 26 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: to do harm to Donald Trump and to anybody else. 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: We can go back to people like Maxine Waters who 28 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: said that if you see Donald Trump. 29 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: Or his cabinet. This was in the first term, you see. 30 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: Them, you make a crowd, and you surround them, and 31 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: and we don't want them anymore. You see them at 32 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: a department store. She went down this whole list, and 33 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: you can go back to that as a my gosh, 34 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: it's a call for violence from the political left. And 35 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: it has been a constant call for violence from the 36 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: political left. Threat to democracy, threat to America, threat to women, 37 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: threat to this, threat to that. Someone has to do something. 38 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: Wink wink, nudge, nudge, say no more. That's what it 39 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: is we've been seeing that has been internalized and that 40 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: has been valued as an ideal on college campuses across 41 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: America as we see more and more eighteen to twenty 42 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: two year olds, grown ups coming out of universities, more 43 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: and more radicalized, and shamefully parents still spending money to 44 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: send their kids to these universities that engage in the radicalization. 45 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: You have to love your kid enough to say no, 46 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm not paying for that anymore. No, you can't go 47 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: to that school. Does it matter to me that you're 48 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: twenty one? You asked me to pay for it. I'm 49 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: not paying for it. I won't do it. I love 50 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: you too much. Used to be the argument was we 51 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: do certain things because we want to stay connected to 52 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: our kids, and these are phases and they will work 53 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: out of it. That doesn't work, we don't need to 54 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: spend any more time on that. We need to say no. 55 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: We need to say no. I was once at a 56 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: watching a protest take place with high schoolers and some 57 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: others walking up and down the streets of a small 58 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: suburb of Indianapolis where I live, and they're giving the 59 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: finger to cops and they're saying, you know, its ACA 60 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: B all cops are was George Floyd this and George 61 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Floyd that. And these are kids who, when they were 62 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: done walking up and down the streets, as John Cleisi 63 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: from Monty Python would scream, marching up and down the square, 64 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: they got back into the BMW's owned by their daddies 65 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: and went back to their homes that were behind gates. 66 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: It was play acting, every single part of it. And 67 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: the answer is no, you don't get to do that. 68 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, no more social media scream yell, holler, 69 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: do whatever. I love you too much to allow this. 70 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: We just saw today an attempt to kill ICE agents. 71 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: We know this because next to where the shooter was 72 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: found dead bullets inscribed with anti ICE messages. I guess 73 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: that's now the thing that they do. And MSNBC wants 74 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: you to know that, well, see, this is actually the 75 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: work of right wingers inspired. 76 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: Are you worried about copycats? Yes, I don't know if 77 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: the rooftop trend is going to be thing. I mean, 78 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: it could just be coincidental that the best vantage point 79 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: just happened to be elevated positions in this case, but 80 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: you know, people emulating this kind of attack is certainly 81 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: a concern. The irony with the writing. The first time 82 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: we really saw that was Britain Tarrant in the christ 83 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: Church shootings shooting in a mosque in New Zealand, and 84 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: he was a fierce, you know, white supremacist and neo 85 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 3: Nazi and wrote all over his weapon and his rounds 86 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: very hateful inform. So to see this coming from uh, 87 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: you know, potentially the other side of the political spectrum 88 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 3: is a little strange because it is not something you know, 89 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: if you are trying to uh, you know, carry out 90 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: some kind of message countering you know, more extreme right 91 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: wing stuff. I don't know why you would, you know, 92 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: use a tactic that a famous white supremacist who has 93 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 3: been revered and copycattered over the years by other white supremacists. 94 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: Why you would do that? 95 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: But so this is what the fault of the political 96 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: right because of some guy in New Zealand. They're being 97 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: influenced by right wingers. When a heck of a stretch MSNBC. 98 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: When I say one heck of a stretch, I mean 99 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: completely insane, instead of saying we are gitting people up 100 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: with our outrageous rhetoric and. 101 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: Flat out lies. 102 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 4: When you see what the right's doing, the rights to 103 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: influence it, and I believe that's how you get to 104 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: this from Rasmussen, This poll from Rasmussen that shows fifty 105 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 4: four percent of liberals call Charlie Kirk's killing quote understandable. 106 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: Unquote understandable. She got raped because her skirt was too short. Well, 107 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: it's understandable, her skirt was too short. He was killed 108 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: because he used the wrong pronoun. Well, it's understandable he 109 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: used the wrong dronoun. He was killed by the Islamist 110 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: because he prayed to the wrong god. Well, it's understandable 111 00:07:53,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: he prayed to the wrong god. Understandable. There is nothing 112 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: that you can speak of that is more incredibly violent 113 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: and obscene than this, No more proof of a broken 114 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: society than this. Fifty four percent of liberals, almost half 115 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: of Democrats. Charlie Kirk was speaking hateful words and his 116 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: murder was tragic but understandable. Translation, you shouldn't say anything 117 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: we find hateful or you might experience the same. 118 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: To quote Randy Marsha, I'm sorry, I thought this was America. 119 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,359 Speaker 2: These people aren't Americans. 120 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: Oh, they might live in the United States, they may 121 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: have citizenship, but as a matter of a understanding of 122 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: our founding and a belief in who we are, than 123 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: not Americans. So what are we dealing with here? If 124 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: the answer is you can kill somebody because you don't 125 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: like their words, and it's understandable to kill somebody because 126 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: of their quote unquote hateful words, which is subjective. 127 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: It's a matter of opinion. 128 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: If you can rationalize that and explain it away, then 129 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: you can keep doing it. 130 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: And that's where we're at. That is what we're dealing with. 131 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:27,119 Speaker 1: Is it surprising that we see this murder attempt in Dallas? 132 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: No? 133 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: Will it be surprising when it happens two days from now, 134 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: three weeks from now, an hour from now. Will it 135 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: be surprising when it happens to name the person? 136 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: Although I don't know if. 137 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: I should necessarily name people, to think about that, because 138 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to be seen as somebody who's, you know, 139 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: kind of pushing that along. That is not my objective, clearly, 140 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: and that's not what I'm saying. And everybody's rational knows that. 141 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: And I'm just asking myself, do I need to be 142 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: a little more selective my own wordings of these things, 143 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: which involves being introspective and self reflection, which doesn't happen 144 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: from a political left, it doesn't happen. 145 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 2: This was. 146 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: Jim Clyburn on CNN talking about the importance of censorship. 147 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 5: What do you say, Congressman Clyburn, You know the argument 148 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 5: and Brad's bringing up something I've heard from a lot 149 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 5: of conservatives today, partly because there was a letter from 150 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: Google parent company Alphabet that said that the Biden administration 151 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: conducted repeated and sustained outreach and pressed the company to 152 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 5: remove information around COVID that they thought was disinformation. So 153 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 5: they're alleging that in a new letter, even though they 154 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 5: didn't do it at the time. What do you make 155 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 5: of the argument that those. 156 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: By the way, that absolutely happened. 157 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: It was put out by Judiciary, dot House, dot gov. 158 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: Google admits censorship under Biden, promises to end bans of 159 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: YouTube accounts of thousands of Americans censored. 160 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: For political speech. Came out on September twenty third. That happened. 161 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: But what's the question to Senator Clyburn of South Carolina. 162 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 5: Those two things are the same. 163 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 6: Well, I don't think they're the same, simply because Biden, 164 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 6: if any of this took place, these weren't jokes. 165 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: This wasn't a TV show. This was a. 166 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 6: Pandemic, and we didn't need to have misinformation going out 167 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,119 Speaker 6: about this pandemic. 168 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: So now they decide when censorship is okay and not okay. 169 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: They decide when murder is okay and not okay with. 170 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: All due respect? 171 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: How is that American? And here is CNN listening to 172 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: a congressman. What Pushbeck was there to the insanity of 173 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: that thought? You want to know how broken it is, 174 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: it's not broken. If you want to know how bad 175 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: it is, it's that bad. If you want to know 176 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: how dangerous it is for anybody who might not agree 177 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: with them, well, you know, the answer doesn't mean we 178 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: can stop. These people don't want you to engage, they 179 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to speak, and they're proud of the 180 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: killings because it's understandable, and they're proud of the censorship. 181 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: We'll leave it there for now. I'm Tony Katz and 182 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: this it's Tony Kats Today.