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Speaker 1: Colts and the Cardinals coming up Thursday edition. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Quarry Company, thank you for joining us. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jake Quarry. Eddie Garrison the other voice you hear on

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Speaker 1: this program. We call it Query and Company. And as

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Speaker 1: you folks know, we always have those that are listening

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Speaker 1: in the audience, we assign them a title within the company. Eddie,

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Speaker 1: I am super excited because you know what we don't have.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a director of economics. We don't have

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Speaker 1: a director of stock trading. That's what we need on

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Speaker 1: this show in this company, right, So what better guy

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Speaker 1: to do exactly that than one that joins us from

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Speaker 1: West fifty sixth Street. He is, of course an Indianapolis Colt.

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Speaker 1: He had a big block punt against the Las Vegas Raiders.

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Speaker 1: He is also a linebacker for them. Shaghu Alubi joining

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Speaker 1: us on the Java House Peel and poor guest line Shagu,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good man, that's good and that good to be here.

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Speaker 2: That's funny.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's begin with that. Are you cool with

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Speaker 1: being the director of economics and day trading?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get it done. Then. I'm sure I

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Speaker 2: used to do a little bit in.

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Speaker 1: College, although at this point you're a little bit busy

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Speaker 1: in your primary day to day job. All right, So

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Speaker 1: I want to begin with this. You know, your story

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Speaker 1: to me is fascinating and for those that are unfamiliar,

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Speaker 1: obviously I think everybody knows by now, but you came

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Speaker 1: here by way of the San Francisco forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: where you were an undrafted free agent, and you have

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Speaker 1: found your way within this roster of doing every little

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Speaker 1: thing that needs to be done, no matter what is

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Speaker 1: called upon you. And I've talked a lot on this

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Speaker 1: show about Ashton Doolan and how much respect I have

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Speaker 1: for Ashton Doolan because he just is the guy that,

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Speaker 1: when it's necessary, does what's needed to be done. Do you,

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Speaker 1: number one, take that as a compliment? And number two,

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Speaker 1: what is the mindset of just kind of having to

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Speaker 1: find your role within a franchise?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just being here. You have so

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Speaker 2: many great examples of that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's the culture here, so just being able to follow them. Succeays,

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Speaker 2: you know, you look at guys like Dueling, you look

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Speaker 2: at guys like Zee, you look at it like guys

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Speaker 2: that will come through here it's just every man that

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Speaker 2: does what they can and to.

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Speaker 3: Help with your position.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, you know you are a linebacker by trade, you know,

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Speaker 1: the will linebacker whichever way we want to use the

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Speaker 1: terminology there. But we now know that the guy that

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Speaker 1: you know was just in front of you and Joe

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Speaker 1: Bachi goes onto ir. They make the trade. Now for

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Speaker 1: Jermaine Pratt, you're right there as well. Do you anticipate

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Speaker 1: the reps and your role to be elevated within that position?

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Speaker 2: You know, you always look to help another, but any

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Speaker 2: way that you can, So you know, Jermaine come in

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Speaker 2: and he's a great he's a great guy for them,

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Speaker 2: He's been with them in the past. Provides leadership obviously,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, help with ze, you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's just looking for opportunities wherever they come up.

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Speaker 3: For sure, I want to get back to.

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Speaker 1: Kind of your story, Schegud because I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: a fascinating one and quite frankly, and I don't mean

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Speaker 1: this condescendingly, it's an inspiring one because you know, and

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Speaker 1: you know this, I mean, there are so many guys

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Speaker 1: about and we've known about him since they were nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty years old. Okay, now I'm going to give for

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Speaker 1: any of the information that I've accumulated from various sources here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you were born in Pennsylvania. As a kid, you

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Speaker 1: lived in New Jersey, You lived in Minnesota, lived in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: lived in London in England, came back, lived in Arizona,

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Speaker 1: lived in California, then went to college in Idaho, went

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Speaker 1: then into the NFL. Now that's a very circuitous route,

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Speaker 1: and so my first question would be do you believe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, looking back on it, there's opportunities where I think

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Speaker 1: When you walked on at San Diego State, there were

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Speaker 1: probably people that didn't know your story but you did.

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Speaker 1: Was that similar to the situation that you found yourself

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Speaker 2: Definitely there's parallels there.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for the opportunity to have been able to

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Speaker 2: go on through a situation like that if I got to,

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Speaker 2: because it just caught me that you put your head

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Speaker 2: to if you work hard.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So what point, let's get to this. You said in

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Speaker 1: college you did a little bit of day trading. Now

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Speaker 1: my understanding is one of the schools you attended, I

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Speaker 1: think it might have been herding. I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 1: that you you were looking for like an economics course

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Speaker 1: that they didn't offer, and so therefore you transferred back

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Speaker 1: out again. Maybe that's embellished. I don't know, but how

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Speaker 1: what about it intrigues you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just it was been the person that love

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Speaker 2: seeing growth and so being able to start an investment

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you started with ten bucks and then you

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Speaker 1: just put it in a rainy day fun and now

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Speaker 1: it's at twenty one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't really a rainy day fun. It was like,

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Speaker 3: You know that's pretty cool though, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's been going steadily.

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Speaker 2: I think I'll add it over the course of time.

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Speaker 2: I'll edit up to three hundred, and then from then

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Speaker 2: it was just purely growth.

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Speaker 1: Okay, factor fiction. When you were in college or at

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Speaker 1: So how do you not weigh three hundred? Because I

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Speaker 2: Was Oh, it was funny if my manager actually he

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Speaker 1: So now, wait a minute, here's my thing. Every time

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Speaker 1: from Idaho. And you were at collegeized is that Did

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Speaker 2: No, that was in Orange County, California.

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Speaker 1: you could have just gone out back to get the potatoes.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh exactly.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what do you.

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Speaker 1: Most like about Indianapolis? I mean, you've obviously been kind

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Speaker 1: of to all parts. What are you most like about.

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Speaker 2: India Uh, the family vibe. It's not just in the building,

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Speaker 3: You talked about growth.

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Speaker 1: Shaegu Alubi is our guests, he's on the Java House

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Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. You talk about growth, you know,

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Speaker 1: for your money and just your story in general represents

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Speaker 1: exactly that this particular team and you've been around it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not your first year in India,

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Speaker 1: and you guys are obviously off to one of the

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, I think it's just, you know, sometimes it's Tommy

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Speaker 2: when I've been here, and we've had you know, a

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Speaker 2: seeing that happen on Sundays this year.

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Speaker 1: The you know, the and I realize the other side

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Speaker 1: But Daniel Jones has been as you know, Jegu, I mean,

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Speaker 1: story in a positive way for the Colts this year.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacking sometimes with leadership, I think that we envision that

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Speaker 1: What kind of a leader have you been able to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just consistent execution, right, Like you look at a

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Speaker 1: So Okay, what about on your side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: you know the guy that well, I'll just say, I'll

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Speaker 1: ask you this, who is your defensive leader?

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Speaker 2: We know Ze to be a vocal leader for us,

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Speaker 2: but there's multiple players on our defense that are our leaders,

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Speaker 2: whether it's you know, defo. I mean realistically, like, we

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Speaker 2: it's not just one guy. And that's kind of one

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Speaker 2: of the things that we have as an advantage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Forest Buckner is the guy that it seems

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Speaker 1: and obviously Zira Franklin, right, it goes without saying that

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Speaker 1: Franklin based on tenure and just the fact that he

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Speaker 1: is so reliably there, right, But Buckner is also a

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Speaker 1: guy that, it seems as though from the outside is

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Speaker 1: the one that's not afraid to speak up, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Is that a fair assessment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so something needs to be said. Buck isn't afraid

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Speaker 2: to say it at all, you know, And I think

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Speaker 2: that's true for a lot of guys on our defense,

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Speaker 2: which is, like I said, part of what makes us

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Speaker 2: so good because Cam buying him the same way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so cam bying him is a guy that you

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Speaker 1: have a lot of experience with, right because you go

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Speaker 1: beyond just the walls of West fifty sixth Street and

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Speaker 1: your experience with cam bying them.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, me and him went to high school together,

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Speaker 1: But doesn't that kind of symbolize your entire journey absolutely,

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Speaker 2: It's taking advance As with the opportunities when they're there,

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing to do when you're not and

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Speaker 2: I like to travel, you know. I like to travel

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Speaker 3: How long do you live in London?

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Speaker 1: Have you been Have you been back there since? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I travel I traveled there pretty as often as I can.

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Speaker 2: I was just there this last summer, visiting my cousins

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Speaker 1: Do your cousins have British accents? Yes, of course I

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Speaker 2: All right, let's give it a go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it sounds like it makes the different reasons,

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't they different places? For sure?

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Speaker 3: It's it's cocked me, that's what That's what I'm going for. Idea.

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Speaker 1: All right, shag Aluli, listen, we wish you the best

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we've been on it. We've been on this

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Speaker 2: I think it just you just add more time, right,

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Speaker 3: Well shakegu We wish you the best of luck.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to speak to the guys from

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Speaker 2: Awesome man, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a good day. Then, see see how I did that?

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Speaker 1: Eddie uh Shague Alubi joining us on the Java House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and Poor Guest Line. Eddie, have you been to

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Speaker 3: I would love to go out there. I forard great

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Speaker 1: There's it is. It's awesome. First off, the now they

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Speaker 1: No bugs, no spiders, Well you do get that, and

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Speaker 3: Are you welcome there?

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban joins us now on the Java House, Peel

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Speaker 1: is that true there are no bugs in Arizona?

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Speaker 4: Well, again, I know that you just mentioned scorpions, which

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Speaker 3: I'll be so that's what we do, all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the meat of the matter first, and

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals are saying he's day to day. He didn't

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Speaker 4: don't think that necessarily is something they've done a lot

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Speaker 4: of with Kyler for whatever reason, It's not the kind

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Speaker 4: of can't. But I would just I mean, Kyler's ability

441
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Speaker 4: to scramble obviously is not there with necessarily with Jacoby Brissett.

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Speaker 4: So you could see more Harrison, you could see more

443
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Speaker 4: of the receivers, but I'd be fascinated to know. I mean,

444
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Speaker 4: this offense, this offense came into the season and the

445
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Speaker 4: way they played the last two years, it was based

446
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Speaker 4: on a really good running game and it was all

447
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Speaker 4: going to be playing off of that, and unfortunately for

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals, between the injuries running back and not awesome

449
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Speaker 4: play on the offensive line and some injuries there, that

450
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Speaker 4: running game has not been there. So when you have

451
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Speaker 4: an office based on the running game and it's not

452
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Speaker 4: as effective as you were hoping, that tends to have

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Speaker 4: a trickle down effect. And I think that's what's happened

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Speaker 4: to the Cardinals over the first five games.

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Speaker 1: You know, in looking at it, Darren, Trey McBride has

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Speaker 1: played well for them, for example at tight end right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know you would know obviously better than

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Speaker 1: I whether or not he has been a focal point

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Speaker 1: for them or is that kind of you know, it

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Speaker 1: seems like we're seeing a league that is getting more

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Speaker 1: involved with the receiving tight end. Does Arizona do that

462
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Speaker 1: because of what is available there or is it almost

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Speaker 1: out of necessity because the other areas that the offense

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Speaker 1: haven't gotten going yet.

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Speaker 4: I think Trey McBride gets the targets he gets and

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Speaker 4: is the impactful player that he is. I would say

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Speaker 4: eighty percent of that is because he's a great player,

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Speaker 4: and he's essentially their best He's their best pass catcher.

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Speaker 2: He just is.

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Speaker 4: So when you have somebody as good as that and

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Speaker 4: I and I think when the offense is clicking, I

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Speaker 4: personally believe that Tray McBride is absolutely in the conversation

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Speaker 4: for best tight end in the league. Now, I know

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Speaker 4: not everybody's going to see it that way, and part

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Speaker 4: of that is how the Cardinals are, but I believe that.

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Speaker 4: So I think most of what McBride gets is because

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Speaker 4: of how good he is, but there is a necessity,

478
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Speaker 4: a necessity part of it. You know, Marvin Harrison is

479
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Speaker 4: continuing to try and figure out his spot in this league.

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Speaker 4: He's played really well the last game and a half

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Speaker 4: and it seems like he's finally trending in the direction

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Speaker 4: that they need him to trend in. The rest of

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Speaker 4: the receivers have not been very impactful, But I don't

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Speaker 4: know how much of that is really them and how

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Speaker 4: much of that is how this offense has struggled, and uh,

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Speaker 4: maybe some issues and pass protection and maybe the idea

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Speaker 4: of using the running back pass catchers. So but getting

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Speaker 4: back to your original point, I mean, I don't think

489
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Speaker 4: anybody would look at this team and not say that

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Speaker 4: Trey McBride is the number one pass catching option. And

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Speaker 4: we'll see where how Marvin continues to develop in that way.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, if Marvin gets to the level that

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Speaker 4: they want him to and Trede plays how he's been

494
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Speaker 4: playing for two years now, that's a pretty nice one

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Speaker 4: two punch.

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban is our guest Azcardinals dot Com, where you

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Speaker 1: can read his work. We're previewing, of course, coltson Cardinals

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Speaker 1: coming up Sunday, Lucas Oil Stadium, Darren, there probably have

499
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Speaker 1: not been a lot of matchups in the history of

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Speaker 1: the NFL that feature two teams that have had players

501
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Speaker 1: that have dropped the ball just prior to the goal

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Speaker 1: line on what was expected to be a touchdown. Now

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, that player, Ady Mitchell, then essentially was relegated

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Speaker 1: to the bench. He did get in at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game against Las Vegas, but he was disciplined

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Speaker 1: for it. Arizona handles that situation how.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a great question. I mean, part of

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals situation. I mean, with all due respect to

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Speaker 4: Ady Mitchell, you've got other receivers that you're using.

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Speaker 3: In correct, different position. They're correct.

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Speaker 4: And with the Cardinals, they their top two running backs

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Speaker 4: are James Connor and Trey Benson are both on ir A.

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Speaker 4: Mar de Mercado, the player that dropped the ball, has

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Speaker 4: been their main third down back. They can use the

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Speaker 4: other two Michael Carter, who's been in this league and

516
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Speaker 4: Bam Knight, who's a little bit younger, but he's been

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Speaker 4: around a little bit. You know, could they get more work?

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Speaker 4: They absolutely could. I don't know if the Cardinals are

519
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Speaker 4: in a position where they can just afford to say, Omar,

520
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Speaker 4: you're not playing because he also plays a lot of

521
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Speaker 4: special teams. But you know, we'll have to see where

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Speaker 4: it goes. It's it's been it's been such a weird

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Speaker 4: five games for this team. Every single one of the

524
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Speaker 4: Cardinals games has come down to the final and essentially

525
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Speaker 4: the final possession of the game. That's part of it.

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Speaker 4: And they won those first two. These last three they've

527
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Speaker 4: literally lost on the final play of the game each time.

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Speaker 4: There's just a lot floating around and the Amari thing

529
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Speaker 4: just to be the cherry on top and the conversations

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Speaker 4: around it. You can't have that happen, you know, I

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Speaker 4: know that, you know. Not Surprisingly, the coach coaches for

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals, which I'm sure was true for all the

533
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Speaker 4: other thirty teams around the league, all showed video of

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Speaker 4: a d Mitchell the previous week last week, So for

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Speaker 4: that to have happened after all the coaches I'm sure

536
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Speaker 4: around the league saying don't let this happen. That's a

537
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Speaker 4: tough look. But what that looks like on Sunday, we'll

538
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Speaker 4: have to see. Johnathan Gannon said at this point, there

539
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Speaker 4: was it was asked if there was going to be

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Speaker 4: any repercussions for him, Gannon said, no, I don't know

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Speaker 4: what that exactly looks like, because I think the original

542
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Speaker 4: sense of the question was probably more like would you

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Speaker 4: cut them? But we'll have to see exactly how it

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Speaker 4: plays out on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: What is Arizona's defensive strength?

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Speaker 4: I think right now their defensive strength continues to be

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Speaker 4: the defensive line. They worked really hard to upgrade that

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Speaker 4: the front seven overall, actually, and they've played really good defense.

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Speaker 4: I mean, now, one of the reasons everybody's so frustrated

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Speaker 4: out here is because defensively they've played well enough to win.

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Speaker 4: If their offensive just generated any kind of semblance of

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Speaker 4: regular scoring, this team very easily would be five and

553
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Speaker 4: zero right now. Now. We can say that about a

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Speaker 4: lot of stuff and a lot around the league. So

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Speaker 4: you know, Bill Parcells, you are what your record says

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Speaker 4: you are. But defensively they've played well. Unfortunately for them,

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Speaker 4: the last three weeks, they've had a chance to really

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Speaker 4: put an exclamation point on that defensive performance in any

559
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Speaker 4: of one of those games to potentially stop these game

560
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Speaker 4: winning field goal drives, and unfortunately they have not been

561
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Speaker 4: able to on those final possessions. But overall, they've played

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Speaker 4: really well defensively, and I would not doubt that whether

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Speaker 4: Kyler plays or Jacobe Prisette plays, this game this weekend

564
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Speaker 4: is going to be about how much the defense can

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Speaker 4: hold the Colts in check.

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Speaker 1: What is their defensive achilles. What is the area that

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis can look at offensively and say there's susceptibility here,

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Speaker 1: let's exploit it.

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Speaker 4: That's a good question, I would say. I mean, the

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Speaker 4: first thing that pops into my mind is if it's

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Speaker 4: a close game late, you might be able to move

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Speaker 4: the ball late on them, because that, to me, the

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Speaker 4: biggest issue that the Cardinals defense has had is that

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Speaker 4: they haven't gotten those last stops. I mean, I guess overall,

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Speaker 4: you could probably say they have a younger secondary, but

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Speaker 4: I think for the most part, the secondary is held

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Speaker 4: up and they have gotten pressure most of the time

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Speaker 4: pretty well. Josh Waz got five sacks already. Their defensive

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Speaker 4: line has played well, even though they've had a couple

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Speaker 4: of injuries, So I guess I would say the secondary

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Speaker 4: it's been tough. I know the Seahawks ran on them,

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Speaker 4: but generally teams have not been able to run on them.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever hike that Camelback Mountain? By the way,

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 4: Done it twice, I think, oh in my many many years. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I've done it a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Like it's kind of a must new but it gets

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Speaker 1: hot as hell right in that right if you like,

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Speaker 1: if you don't time.

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Speaker 4: It right, well, if you're if you're dumb enough to

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Speaker 4: go in July, then that's pretty much on you. I

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Speaker 4: mean I wouldn't be I wouldn't be hiking something if

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Speaker 4: it's not you know, November to maybe early May. That's

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Speaker 4: that's when I would be doing that hiking. But then

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Speaker 4: again that's when everybody's going to be out there.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if you.

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Speaker 4: Want to go in July when nobody's out there, that's fine,

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Speaker 4: but you know, if you end up having a toll

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Speaker 4: somebody to come rescue you, that's again on you.

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Speaker 6: Yea.

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Speaker 3: For those that don't know.

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Speaker 1: By the way, just outside of Phoenix's came up Back

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Speaker 1: Mountain and you can, I say, hike it. I mean

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Speaker 1: you can. It's basically rocks, and then it's not overly arduous,

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Speaker 1: but it is pretty awesome because you get to the

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Speaker 1: top you can kind of see I like just saying

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Speaker 1: the valley. I don't even know if that's in the valley, Aaron. I,

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Speaker 1: just like we live in Indiana, so everything to me

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Speaker 1: is in the valley.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's that's in the valley. Cameleback Mountain is

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Speaker 4: basically right around the Scottsdale Phoenix area. It is. It

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Speaker 4: is kind of in the center if you get to

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Speaker 4: the top. I mean, one of the times I climbed

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Speaker 4: it was actually back in the day, the Cardinals had

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Speaker 4: a strength coach named John Lott, and when the rookies

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Speaker 4: first showed up, and it was the summer, it was

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Speaker 4: real early in the morning. But I accompanied them one

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Speaker 4: time when he would take the rookies out there and

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Speaker 4: climb it a couple of times during the off season,

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Speaker 4: and they go to the top. In fact, John Lott

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Speaker 4: would run it, actually run it up and then what

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Speaker 4: that sounds dangerous?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's insane. Now, I'm curious before we let

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Speaker 1: you go. Darren Darren Urban as our guest. He's on

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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel Andport guest line Azcardinals dot com.

626
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Speaker 3: Where you can read his work.

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Speaker 1: When the Cardinals to me are an interesting franchise because

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting area because it has become such a

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Speaker 1: transient in other words, it's you know, it's obviously a

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Speaker 1: beautiful and a fabulous area of the country. So therefore,

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Speaker 1: seemingly a lot of the population of Arizona is from elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps they have their favorite team they grew up watching,

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Speaker 1: and so oh, let's go to the Cardinals game because

634
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Speaker 1: they're playing my Broncos, et cetera. But they've been there

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Speaker 1: for a while now, since coming from Saint Louis. Is

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Speaker 1: it now an entrenched and in rooted part of the

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Speaker 1: Phoenix lifestyle and culture, or is it still a franchise

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Speaker 1: that is trying to completely be embraced, if you will,

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Speaker 1: by the market.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think I think it's much more

641
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Speaker 4: trace than it was. I think you've had a generation

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Speaker 4: that live here, that grew up and the Cardinals have

643
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Speaker 4: been here the whole time, so you do have that help.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's still going to be fans from other places,

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Speaker 4: but I think you find that in a lot of places.

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Speaker 4: I mean, some of these legacy kind of franchises are

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Speaker 4: always going to have fans well.

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Speaker 1: And I think I say that more about the growth

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Speaker 1: and the evolution of the city than the franchise itself,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's just such a place

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Speaker 1: where who wouldn't want to live there?

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Speaker 4: Well, and again, you're right, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 4: moving in here all the time, and it just depends.

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Speaker 4: And there's still lots of people that are fans of

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Speaker 4: other teams for sure. But I've also run into a

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Speaker 4: bunch of people that have said, you know, I was

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Speaker 4: a fan of another team, but I moved here, and

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Speaker 4: after a couple of years, I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: if I'm going to live here, I need to be

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Speaker 4: a fan of the home team. So it's grown like that.

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Speaker 4: But it's like anything else, like when you're successful, and

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Speaker 4: this tends to be more as you move west in

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Speaker 4: this country. It's not just Phoenix. But when you're successful,

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Speaker 4: the fans are going to be there, and when you

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Speaker 4: know it's there's something to be said. I get the

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Speaker 4: fans in Cleveland and Pittsburgh that no matter what happens,

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Speaker 4: you're going to show up every week. It's there's a

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Speaker 4: lot to do out here, and there's a lot to

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Speaker 4: do in California, and there's a lot to do in

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Speaker 4: Washington State, where it's like when you struggle it's going

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Speaker 4: to hard. It's harder to keep people's attention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously they've been there. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: essentially the same as the Colts, right, I mean they

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Speaker 1: what they got during what eighty eight?

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Speaker 3: Is that right somewhere in there eighty eight or eighty nine?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, been there longer than they were in Saint

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Speaker 1: Louis and closing in on as long as they were

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. Hey, listen, Darren, certainly appreciate it. Travels safely

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Speaker 1: to Indianapolis and look forward to watching what happens on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, guys.

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Speaker 1: Darren Urbanazcardinals dot Com again on the Java House, Peel

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Speaker 1: and Poor Guest Line. Joining us now on the Java House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and Poor Guest Line. She of course from WHR

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Speaker 1: Channel thirteen, where she would be known in Indianapolis, but

685
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Speaker 1: also friend of the show and now with the ACC

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Speaker 1: Network and ESPN. Taylor tannebo I'm joining us. That was

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Speaker 1: a huge saw you just let out, Tyler Taylor, everything

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Speaker 1: going okay.

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Speaker 5: No, I was laughing. I love the intro and I'm

690
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Speaker 5: just happy to be with you guys, you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we're happy to have you I'm going to

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Speaker 1: begin with this has nothing to do with sports.

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Speaker 3: I know that's shocking to you. Are you ready?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Shawshank Redemption? You have her have not seen it?

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Speaker 1: I have, Eddie and I are having this discussion. Eddie

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Speaker 1: Garrison has not seen the movie, so no spoiler alert.

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Speaker 1: But I'll begin with this. I'm not going to lead

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Speaker 1: the witness. Okay, yes or no? It is a guy film.

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Speaker 5: No, let me ask you it like for like like

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Speaker 5: for guys like it's just like a like a guy's

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Speaker 5: kind of film, like Women.

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Speaker 1: Like Beaches is a chick flick, right? So is Shawshank

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Speaker 1: a dude film?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so. I wouldn't consider that.

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Speaker 1: In Taylor Tannembaum's like movie listings, what is your give

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Speaker 1: me your krem De la Creme movie? The movie that like,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's the one that is it.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna embarrass me, really, shawsh Ink is one of

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Speaker 5: my favorite movies. But you're gonna embarrass me on radio

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Speaker 5: right now, aren't you. I'm not embarrassed to say this.

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Speaker 5: I'm first of all, not an avid movie watcher. I'm

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Speaker 5: much more of like a docu series, watch a show

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Speaker 5: binge it. So it's sort of like a movie. I'm

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Speaker 5: just like, if you ask me if I've seen a movie,

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Speaker 5: I probably haven't seen it. My all time favorite movie

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Speaker 5: is Twister, Like I've seen it four thousand times. If

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Speaker 5: it's on TV, I'm watching it. If it's on an airplane,

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Speaker 5: I'm watching it.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're talking to the original Philip seymour Hoffman version, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: the og. Now here's the thing. I'm not gonna totally

723
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Speaker 1: laugh so long as you agree to this, okay. And

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Speaker 1: if you don't agree with this, then we're gonna laugh

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Speaker 1: fit you and mock you.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree that it's great, but it's great in

728
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Speaker 1: the same form that's Saved by the Bell is great.

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Speaker 1: And by that I mean it's so cheesy you can't

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Speaker 1: quit watching, no.

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Speaker 5: Question, And you know what happens at the end every

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Speaker 5: single time. But I'm going to watch it every single time.

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Speaker 5: Like there's cows flying, they drive through a full blown

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Speaker 5: house from roof to and like come on now, like

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Speaker 5: the Twisters look like they've been just like drawn in.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty good though, you know, as long as you

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Speaker 5: look past all that stuff, it's pretty realistic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the thing. It's a perfect segue. And

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Speaker 1: I actually it's interesting, Taylor, because I texted you and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: can you come on? And you said sure, And you

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Speaker 1: didn't even ask for what it was for the reasoning

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to have you on. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: had to guess, what is the reason? What is the storyline?

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Speaker 1: What is the thing that I need you to edge

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Speaker 1: mucate me? What is it that? What is the story

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Speaker 1: that I want to talk about?

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Speaker 5: That Carolina's a bleep show?

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Speaker 3: Bingo?

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Speaker 1: So it is twister, right, North Carolina Football. And again

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Speaker 1: I realized we're in Big ten country. But Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: this is you know, this is the guy that I

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Speaker 1: don't need to tell people. Here the history of Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 1: and he goes to North Carolina and it has been

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Speaker 1: so far an utter disaster. So first off, give me,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the ninety second summary of just where

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Speaker 1: we are and how we got here.

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Speaker 5: So how we got here? As the end of last year.

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Speaker 5: Toward the end of last year, Mac Brown was relieved

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Speaker 5: of his duties after a six and sixth season. This

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Speaker 5: is a Hall of Fame head coach and Matt Brown,

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Speaker 5: who before anything else. The players come first, and that's

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Speaker 5: what he's known for. He's a people person. But they

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Speaker 5: felt like they wanted to change at the Helm. Understand

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Speaker 5: respect it. I love Bubba Cunningham, their athletic director. He's

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Speaker 5: a wonderful mind in terms of Carolina and also college

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Speaker 5: athletics as a whole. He's been on the board for

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Speaker 5: the NCAA Basketball selection Committee. YadA YadA. So they decide

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Speaker 5: they're going to go in a different direction. And you're thinking,

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Speaker 5: this day and age in college football, you go young,

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Speaker 5: you go innovative, you go someone I don't know, up

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Speaker 5: and coming fresh who can relate to the kids. They

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Speaker 5: go seventy three year old Bill Belichick, now the oldest

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Speaker 5: coach in all of college football. That's the direction they

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Speaker 5: decided to go. And from learning and listening and everything

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Speaker 5: that's been gathered, ah, that wasn't necessarily the direction the

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Speaker 5: athletic department would have gone. But you know, there's people

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Speaker 5: with big pockets and big voices in terms of the

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Speaker 5: board of trustees and other people involved, and they wanted

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Speaker 5: to bring in someone the name of Bill Belichick, who

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Speaker 5: has won at the highest level and has won eight

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl six of the head coach, and they thought

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Speaker 5: that that would up the recruiting, It would obviously excite

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Speaker 5: the fan base, and this would be a different approach

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Speaker 5: in a world that has turned very professional as opposed

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Speaker 5: to amateur. Wells, that has not been the case. It

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Speaker 5: has not worked out. The record speaks for itself. They

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Speaker 5: have two wins this season, none of which are against

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Speaker 5: FBS opponents. They are pretty much at the bottom of

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Speaker 5: every single statistical category offensively, defensively when it comes to

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Speaker 5: not just in the ACC but all of the entire country.

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Speaker 5: They're in like one thirties and below in all the

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Speaker 5: major statistical categories. And there seems to be a ton

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Speaker 5: of turmoil and discord and disconnection within the locker room

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Speaker 5: and within the building. So the school did put out

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Speaker 5: a statement and said we are sticking behind our coach,

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Speaker 5: and then they'll Belichick in that statement said I am

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Speaker 5: here at Carolina and that's where we stand right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Taylor, when I guess a two

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Speaker 1: part conversation on this, when when a coach, a coach

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Speaker 1: like a Belichick seemingly would have the track record where

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Speaker 1: if he were to come out and say, look, I've

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Speaker 1: got a I'm going to put my footprint on this.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do things my way, and there's going

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Speaker 1: to be some navigation that needs to go through that

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Speaker 1: before we you know, we are turning around a program,

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Speaker 1: we're putting our own stamp on it, and you know

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Speaker 1: that's going to take some time, right and so therefore

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Speaker 1: you could go with that, or then the other side

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Speaker 1: of it is, this guy's completely out of touch. He

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Speaker 1: has no idea how to talk to college kids. And

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady won him a bunch of games and we

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Speaker 1: got fooled into thing and he's a genius. Is the

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Speaker 1: truth somewhere in the middle there, or you know what

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Speaker 1: has led for it to go this far down?

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Speaker 5: I do think the truth is somewhere in the middle there. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: the man knows how to win. I don't think there's

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Speaker 5: a question about that, But there is that asterisk there

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Speaker 5: that he did most of his winning with a all

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Speaker 5: time great and Tom Brady at the quarterback position. And

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Speaker 5: what happened once that marriage was no longer You could

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Speaker 5: say that was just coincidence and that it was time

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Speaker 5: for a change for everybody involved. Sure, but maybe you're

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Speaker 5: seeing more of the other side of that now. But

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Speaker 5: I do think the other side of the coin is

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Speaker 5: while he.

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Speaker 1: Does know how to win.

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Speaker 5: Yes, college football has gone more pro and farther away

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Speaker 5: from amateurism than ever before, but it is still different

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Speaker 5: than the NFL. It still requires different rules, It still

831
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Speaker 5: requires eighteen to twenty two, twenty three year old young men.

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Speaker 5: It still requires you building relationships with not just the

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Speaker 5: young men, but they're extended families because at the end

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Speaker 5: of the day, these parents are sending off their kids

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Speaker 5: to you. They're trusting you with their life essentially, and

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Speaker 5: I think that's where there's a bit of a disconnect.

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Speaker 5: I'm not in these living rooms, I'm not in the

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Speaker 5: locker room, so I can't say for sure, but I

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Speaker 5: think there is a level to this that hasn't been

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Speaker 5: matched by this regime, in Bill Belichick's regime, that is

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Speaker 5: misunderstood because that's the part that's different than the pro

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Speaker 5: and college level. These are still young men, and they

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00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: still do have another job and going to school, and

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Speaker 5: you know, transparency is really important, and there hasn't been

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Speaker 5: a ton of transparency with the program. Like Bill Belichick's

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Speaker 5: not very accessible to local media, the players haven't been

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Speaker 5: very accessible to local media, and I think that too,

848
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Speaker 5: was maybe not the right approach when you're opening up

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Speaker 5: the doors to try to build something new, Like people

850
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Speaker 5: want to learn, people want to know, and when you

851
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Speaker 5: shut people out, they tend to ask more questions. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's what we're getting now, and people are

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00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 5: frustrated and people are upset because there's been a massive investment.

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Speaker 5: And if you want to say this as a rebuild,

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Speaker 5: to me, it's not. This wasn't a program like in turmoil.

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Speaker 5: They've gone to Bowl games in twenty one, twenty two,

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Speaker 5: twenty three, twenty four. You're watching Drake may do what

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Speaker 5: he's doing with the Patriots, Like, this isn't a program

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Speaker 5: that has some deep, rich history of winning championships. But

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Speaker 5: they were solid and competitive in the Atlantic Conference and

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Speaker 5: they were playing for an ACC championship in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: So where they are today is actually a far cry

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Speaker 5: from where they were three years ago. And this is

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Speaker 5: with an entire new approach and a new coaching staff,

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Speaker 5: where you expected it to go the other way.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny Taylor in any walk of sport

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Speaker 1: and any level, whether we're talking about the Colts, the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: Indiana Purdue or North Carolina football and the Patriots. The

869
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: separation between eccentric mad scientist and Prickley has been out

870
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: of touch. Guys, wins. That's it, right, I mean literally,

871
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: that's right. I mean the method to the madness. When

872
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: you are getting results is one thing, and then when

873
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: you're not, you see, I mean obviously how it ended

874
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: in New England and all of it right lastly, and

875
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: then I want to talk to you about some stuff locally,

876
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: but it would seem from afar, you know. I watched that.

877
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: I was curious because of Belichick and listen, you know,

878
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: in covering so many Colts Patriots games and going to

879
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: Foxborough and for the week leading up and you know,

880
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: seeing kind of that glimpse behind the curtain a little bit,

881
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: I was curious how it would go in Chapel Hill.

882
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: I watched game number one and there's you know, there's

883
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: this buzz. It was Deonic Colorado. It was this energy

884
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: and this excitement and Jordan's there and Dean and excuse me,

885
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: Roy Williams is there, and you know, people are are

886
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: super stoked and it's this star studded event. And then

887
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: they went out and just absolutely fell flat on their face.

888
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, and now it seems like they're going to

889
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: take the little crumb. And I don't know how little

890
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about with an NCAA violation that supposedly he's

891
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: being investigated for. But from Afar Taylor, what it seems

892
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: like is there is now a group of influential people

893
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: at Carolina that if they haven't out, they're going to

894
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: take it.

895
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 3: Is that fair?

896
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, they put out these statements to squash

897
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 5: that beast. But from what I've heard, there are where

898
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: there's smoke, there's fire, and there are some rumblings in

899
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 5: there that people are looking for a way out, whether

900
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 5: it be one side or the other, whether it's Bill's

901
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 5: camp or whether it's you know, the school's camp. I'm

902
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 5: not entirely clear, but yeah, those rumblings, there's something to it.

903
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 5: But then they put out a statement saying we're committed

904
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 5: to each other. But statements are statements, and I guess

905
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 5: it's just words typed on a sheet of paper. I

906
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 5: don't know how much benefit it would do to do

907
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 5: right now, Like I look at the coaching staff, I'm

908
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 5: being serious, Jake, and I'm like, if Bill Belichick were

909
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 5: no longer the head coach. Who the heck is taking

910
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 5: over this football team?

911
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Saturday, Baby, Jeff Saturday. He's used to it.

912
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: Man, he's a Carolina guy, right, Yeah, I know.

913
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: I'm serious, like truthfully, because that's been a big point

914
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: of contention with this staff, is like who really has

915
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 5: true NCAA winning experience on this coaching staff. Forget the roster,

916
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 5: which has seventy new players. That's who I feel bad

917
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 5: for is these players. Regardless of what happens at the helm,

918
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 5: it built a check in the school word of mutually

919
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 5: part ways today. Cool whatever, they're hiring a new head coach.

920
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 5: You know who doesn't get this year back? These players,

921
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 5: they don't get this year back. They've played what five games?

922
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 5: I mean, you know it's not like the NCAA is

923
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 5: going to be like, hey, you guys were screened this year.

924
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 5: We're going to give you a year back. That's never

925
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 5: going to happen, first of all. But you know, they

926
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 5: lose that, and I'm disappointed for them. Maybe they can

927
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 5: turn it around, and I want to hope the best

928
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 5: for Carolina because this is a brand that has potential

929
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 5: to be good. But man, right now, it's as bad

930
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 5: as it can possibly be.

931
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: So you're you're traveling, you are currently you said you

932
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: have a game this weekend, right, votech and Georgia Tech.

933
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: Is that right?

934
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 5: Yes, we are heading to Atlanta to the undefeated Jackets.

935
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Okay, hey listen, they're tough, man, I can tell you

936
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: that much. Okay, So when you are traveling and you're

937
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: on planes or whatever else, I want to know the

938
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: last three shows or docu series that you you binged ooh.

939
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 5: Well, currently, right now, on my television as I prep,

940
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 5: I'm watching Dateline, Big Dateline Girl. When I'm on a

941
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: plane lately, I'm on a Wicked kick Like I've seen

942
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 5: Wicked a ton of times now too, But I inevitably

943
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 5: always fall asleep on a plane. I'm like a baby

944
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 5: in motion. I fall asleep. So Wicked has been one

945
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 5: of them. And then you know, I'm watching sports, you know,

946
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 5: I'm catching up on the day's events. So those are

947
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 5: really my three things. But where there's a dateline, there

948
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 5: is a tailor. I can assure you.

949
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the date line thing. A lot

950
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: of people that are on Dateline are wicked. We know

951
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: that much, right, There's a lot of a lot of

952
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: that going on there you go. But but when I

953
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: watch it, I'm a dateline cheater, so I'll watch startup,

954
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: I look it up, I'm like wait, because then I

955
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: get fascinated bout it, like wait a minute, like these

956
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: are real people, like real stuff.

957
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: You know this? Did you?

958
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: And then and then I begin, this is what and

959
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: when I say this, this is going to sound so

960
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: incredibly bizarre and whatever, right, right, But when I see

961
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: some of these stories on dateline, because they're always about crimes, right,

962
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: throw it like some crime of passion or whatever else.

963
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: And then and hear me for what I'm going to

964
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: say here without it sounding terribly perverse or whatever else.

965
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: When it comes to these terrible crimes that take place

966
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: in these documentaries and everything that we then get completely

967
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: invested in, then I begin to wonder and ask myself

968
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: what makes one of them more like intriguing or fascinating

969
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: than another, because in reality, especially in twenty twenty five, like,

970
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this stuff's happening like all the time, right,

971
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean, So how do

972
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: they pick which one qualifies for having an entire show

973
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: done about it? Does that make sense?

974
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: That's a great question. I wouldn't assume that people like

975
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 5: submit their tragedy, but maybe right and maybe they do.

976
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 5: Maybe there's a I don't know, that's a good question.

977
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 5: I actually Dave Clausen, former head coach at wake Forest,

978
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 5: who is now an analyst with me at ACC Network.

979
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 5: His daughter, Courtney works at NBC and she works with

980
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 5: tomm Yamas and I'm going to ask her about this

981
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 5: this whole Datelin thing and how they come about with

982
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 5: the stories. I'm going to get back to you on

983
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 5: this scoop.

984
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: On that, I'll tell you it's not Dateline, but but

985
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: I have to admit it's another one that like if

986
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm flipping through and it's on, I always stop. Is

987
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: when that Chris Hansen's always interviewing the guys that are

988
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: that just came for eliminating cookies with a young girl

989
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: and to catch a predator. And then he comes out

990
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: and he's like, what are we doing here? Here's here's

991
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: my correspondent the course, And I always watch those also.

992
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 5: Right cinematic, truly, it's cinematic.

993
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: And poetic more so than Twister. Right, we know that

994
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 3: much more so than Twister. Do you miss once again?

995
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: And Taylor here's the last thing for you. We have

996
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: now determined on this program, Eddie and I have kept

997
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: a very scientific chart on this We have thirty thirty

998
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: female listeners right we are. We are debating whether or

999
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: not we can make you listener number thirty one because

1000
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: you don't actually listen to the program. You don't live here,

1001
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: but you have to do you hear it when you're

1002
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: on with us from time to time? Do we count

1003
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: you as a female listener?

1004
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah or nay?

1005
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. I'm a dedicated fan of the program,

1006
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 5: avid listener as long as I can, as long as

1007
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: I can hear it, Yeah, for sure.

1008
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: Sure, kind of like just repeat it all.

1009
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: We got cows flying past us, the whole deal, right,

1010
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: all right, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, this weekend, ACC and

1011
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: ESPN for Taylor Tannembaum. Taylor appreciate the time. As always,

1012
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: we look forward to talking to you again. Give our

1013
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:33,479
Speaker 1: best to Mitch.

1014
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 5: H Will thank you guys. You're the best, all right,

1015
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 5: Uncle Jacob's for sure.

1016
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: That's right. Mitch is her dog, Eddie, as you know, right,

1017
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: I'm aware heard the dog is, don't you worry.

1018
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: So the Colts and Cardinals coming up Sunday and let's

1019
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: find out because there are a lot of question marks

1020
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: from a health standpoint, not just for Arizona, but Indianapolis

1021
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: as well. Joining us now on the Java House Peel

1022
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: and poor guest line, and you hear him in the

1023
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: mornings with Kevin Bowen and jeff Rickerd. James Boyd joins

1024
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: us on the show.

1025
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: James, how are you doing good?

1026
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: Uh?

1027
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I want to get right to this point, and that

1028
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: is I'm just going to simply name the player and

1029
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: then you tell me the latest on what we're hearing

1030
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: in terms of availability. Okay, Kenny Moore.

1031
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 6: Doesn't look good. Did not practice for a second straight

1032
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 6: day due to the achilles injury that's kept him out

1033
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 6: the last two weeks.

1034
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So in that well, we'll get to this in

1035
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: a minute, I guess. So put this in the back

1036
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: of your head in terms of what that means of

1037
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: who would be enter out. You know how they move

1038
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: things around, even though obviously he has been out, So

1039
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: we have some idea there.

1040
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: Alec Pearce will be the next guy.

1041
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 6: He was practicing today, which is a good thing, but

1042
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 6: like we saw last week, he has to get through

1043
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 6: the final stage of the concussion protocols, the available come Sunday.

1044
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: Where do things stand in terms of the return of

1045
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: Jalen Jones.

1046
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 6: It still sounds he's going to be out a while.

1047
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 6: It did not sound like he was near returning. According

1048
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: to Shane Styching. He just said he remains out and

1049
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 6: they will not open the practice window for him this week,

1050
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 6: So I would not be looking for him to be

1051
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 6: out there in the near future when you look.

1052
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm trying to think Grover Stewart's another one

1053
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: by the way, who is on his way back or

1054
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: on the men. Where do the things stand with Stuart?

1055
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 6: I believe he's fine, he didn't practice, or he's sorry,

1056
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 6: he's practicing full yesterday, did not practice today, although throughout

1057
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 6: the season Grover has received at least one rest day

1058
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 6: per week more or less, so I wouldn't be too

1059
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 6: alarmed that he didn't practice today.

1060
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: Ty quin Lewis, I think misspracticed due to an illness.

1061
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: I assume expected to still go though.

1062
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: Right.

1063
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was back out there today, so it seems

1064
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 6: like he was fine.

1065
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 3: Anybody I'm missing.

1066
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 6: I think those are the big ones. Oh, Braydon Smith,

1067
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 6: he was missed yesterday due to rest back out there today.

1068
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 6: No worries there.

1069
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: When you look James at you know, just in general,

1070
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: we'll begin with this the the the attrition, so to speak,

1071
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: and let's go back to the Kenny Moore as the

1072
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: example here, what how many guys are having to play

1073
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of out of position? If that makes sense? In

1074
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: other words, I'll give Chris Ballard credit. What I'm getting

1075
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: at here is in the defensive backfield. It's an area

1076
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: that he kept saying a year ago, like, look, I

1077
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: just need to see my guys play. And I know

1078
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: they went out and they you know, they acquired players

1079
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: and bind them in ward and tried to solidify it,

1080
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: but they just haven't been able to get any continuity there.

1081
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: Is it safe to say that there are guys in

1082
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: their defensive backfield that are playing opposite areas or different

1083
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: ways in which at the beginning of the year we

1084
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: envision their role to be.

1085
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: Not really, I.

1086
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 6: Just think that their roles have sort of expanded more

1087
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 6: than you would have liked. For example, what Treveria's ward

1088
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 6: is still on corner. Nothing's really changed in his world.

1089
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 6: But without Jelen Jones out there, Davin Howard retired, you're

1090
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 6: looking at certain players to kind of step up in

1091
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 6: bigger roles. And for example, a guy like Makai Blackman,

1092
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 6: you made that trade for him at the beginning of

1093
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 6: the year. You probably don't want him be as your starter,

1094
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 6: but he's become your starter because you know any other

1095
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 6: bodies out there, So that's something to keep in mind.

1096
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 6: And then looking at this week in particular, with Mike

1097
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 6: Hilton going on injury reserve due to the shoulder injury,

1098
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 6: Cannymore look like he won't play, they probably rely on

1099
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 6: Chris Lamon's the veteran defensive back. He's going with the

1100
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 6: team for a couple of years now to step in

1101
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 6: at that slot cornerback.

1102
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: You know, Nick Cross is a guy that I was

1103
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: thinking about this on Sunday, James, and I wanted you

1104
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: to expand on this thought. Oftentimes you see players that

1105
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: get drafted and they say, you know, hey may not

1106
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: have football instinct of yet, may not be a pure

1107
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 1: quote unquote football player, but as such a dynamic athlete

1108
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: that can grow into the role. And I think there

1109
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: was a lot of that of the thought of that

1110
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: when Nick Cross came out of Maryland, and then I

1111
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: was watching on Sunday, and I thought to myself, he

1112
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: has done exactly that. Like, kudos to him, because it

1113
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: seems like now he is a more instinctive player, and

1114
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: that instinct is now matching with the athleticism to be

1115
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: a pretty darn good safety. Your thoughts on that are

1116
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: am I selling short what he had when he came

1117
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: out of college?

1118
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 6: No, I think you're spot on there. I mean it's

1119
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 6: to gamble on him. They traded up to draft him,

1120
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 6: I believe, in the third round, and at the time,

1121
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 6: the way that Chris Valor kind of described it was

1122
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 6: that they felt that they were getting a first round

1123
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 6: talent a year early. Like had he gone back to

1124
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 6: school at Maryland, he probably would have been a first

1125
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 6: round pick the next year. So they drafted him, knew

1126
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 6: they had to develop him, and he did get off

1127
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 6: to kind of a rocky start.

1128
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 3: Started the first.

1129
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 6: Couple of games of his career, they got benched, didn't

1130
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 6: really play that much, but I think the position changed

1131
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 6: from free safety to strong safety as helt him a

1132
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 6: ton jake and this year seeing him, you know, play,

1133
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 6: like you said, more instinctule, closer to the line of scrimmage,

1134
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 6: close to the box, close to the accident and they

1135
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 6: having camp Bina on the back side. This helps you

1136
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 6: out of time because you get to play a little

1137
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 6: more free, I think, because you know you have an

1138
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 6: elite you know, playmaker on your back side to help

1139
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 6: you out just in case you get the buying James.

1140
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has played so well and that has been

1141
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: the dominant storyline through five games that that's been. You know,

1142
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: it's exceeded all expectation. I think maybe even the Colts

1143
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: would tell you it exceeded their expectation and they've taken

1144
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: care of the football and they're playing at a high level.

1145
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: But Daniel jones play to this point has allowed us

1146
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: to or or has caused us to overlook perhaps the

1147
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: slow start of who is there anybody that jumps out

1148
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: of you, either player or unit that you say, yeah,

1149
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: that person owes Daniel Jones a Christmas card.

1150
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 6: That's a great question. Honestly, you probably want to look

1151
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 6: at the regime more than the team. I mean, does

1152
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 6: the play of Daniel Jones, if he keeps this up,

1153
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 6: does that mean you have earned another year? If you're

1154
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 6: Chris Ballard, if you're a Saint Spiken, if you're you know,

1155
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 6: part of that front office as group, do you feel like, Okay,

1156
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 6: if we get into the playoffs with Daniel Jones playing

1157
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 6: at such a high level, we have shown the new

1158
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 6: ownership carl Ers Gordon in company. Hey you know what, Yeah,

1159
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 6: we might have messed up with Anthony Richardson, but look

1160
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 6: what I got you in return. Here's what I did

1161
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 6: as plan B. So that to me is probably the

1162
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 6: bigger conversation around Daniel Jones, because everyone else on offense

1163
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 6: I feel like you can't really complain. I mean, Josh

1164
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 6: Downs perhaps, but even last week we saw he got

1165
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 6: more involved, and so with him playing at this level,

1166
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 6: it feels like any given Sunday you could have any

1167
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 6: different receiver sort of step up. I mean, if there's

1168
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,959
Speaker 6: one blemish on the offense, I guess looking at Ady

1169
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 6: Mitchell saying why is everyone else thriving with Daniel Jones

1170
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 6: and you're the one guy who obviously has been in

1171
00:55:59,080 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 6: the doghouse.

1172
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: Lest if you put truth seram and Chris Ballard, do

1173
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: you think he would say, look, I signed Daniel Jones

1174
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: because I saw something in Daniel Jones and thought this

1175
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: was possible. Or do you think he would say I

1176
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: signed Daniel Jones because I wasn't sold on Anthony Richardson

1177
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: and knew that we might have needed somebody just to

1178
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: hold the wheel for the rest of the season.

1179
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 4: Oh that's a great question.

1180
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 6: I'm probably gonna go with the ladder just because Daniel

1181
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 6: Jones and what he had done in New York. You know,

1182
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 6: he hadn't played good football, he hadn't played winning football.

1183
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 6: Now we're seeing, especially at this moment in time, that

1184
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 6: it certainly wasn't all his fault. The failures that have

1185
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 6: gone on in New York. They all have already moved

1186
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 6: on from Russell Wilson to Jackson Darts, so they're going

1187
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 6: through their quarterback change. But I think anybody who tells

1188
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 6: you I saw something in Daniel Jones will probably be like, Okay,

1189
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 6: I can see that. But anybody telling you they saw

1190
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 6: this level of Daniel Jones, an MVP caliber player, I

1191
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 6: think that they probably be lying. I mean, he's playing

1192
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 6: exceptional football. Outside of the Rams game has been nearly flawless,

1193
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 6: and the idea going into at least in my mind

1194
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 6: and perhaps you know, for the Cold Front Austins, was

1195
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 6: that if he could just be steady and safe, we'll

1196
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 6: be fine. But the difference between what he's doing here

1197
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: with the Colts versus what he's doing with the Giants

1198
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 6: and they made the playoffs in twenty twenty two is

1199
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 6: that he's really been a great passer, you know, aggressive

1200
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 6: throwing the ball down the field, not running a whole lot.

1201
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 6: So he feels that a new and improved player.

1202
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: James Boyd is our guest. He's on the Java House

1203
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: feeling poor guest line. Of course, you hear him in

1204
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: the mornings on the morning show here on the fan,

1205
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Colts and Cardinals, you know, the

1206
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: James in talking about Jones and I was talking about

1207
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: this earlier. Clearly, this guy's becoming a fan favorite, as

1208
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: he should be. Clearly, I think now unless the wheels

1209
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: come off, the seed is planted to the fact that

1210
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: he might be the long term quarterback here and he

1211
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: may get an extension, and this year a lot of

1212
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: football yet to be played. I realize I don't know

1213
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: that fans know who he is as a dude, as

1214
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: a guy. I don't know that we ever know that

1215
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: per se. But you're in the locker room and you

1216
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: get to see like his weekly avails, and you know

1217
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: his interviews and et cetera. What does he come how

1218
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: does he come off? Quiet guy, quiet leader, quietly confident,

1219
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: shy guy one rather than his boisterous around his teammates

1220
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: and they love him.

1221
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: I mean, what kind of dude is Daniel Jones?

1222
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 6: That is the money question and the question I've been

1223
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 6: trying to glean and get answers for, because he's such

1224
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 6: a reserved personality, especially in media settings. But from what

1225
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 6: I've been able to gather from his teammates and just

1226
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 6: from watching him a little bit, he seems like he's

1227
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 6: very down to earth, you know, one of the guys.

1228
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 6: But that switch gets slipped as soon as they get

1229
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 6: into the more serious side of football. And so if

1230
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 6: you ask any of the linemen, the wide receivers, the

1231
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 6: tight ends, they're all like, yeah, he is is easy

1232
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 6: going as they come. But when it comes to the game,

1233
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 6: he can be not annoying, but he can be very

1234
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 6: persistent and meticulous. You know, you got Dona Taylor telling us, Look, man,

1235
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 6: I can be walking in, you know, to the facility

1236
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 6: about the grab breakfast and he's telling me, hey, did

1237
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 6: you see that messages us hit you about this check

1238
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 6: on this play or this block I want you to

1239
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 6: make on this play, And you got Michael Pittman Junior saying, Hey,

1240
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 6: the guy always late to our Thursday dinners, which is

1241
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 6: tonight because he's watching the film. And I did get

1242
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 6: a chance to ask Daniel Jones about that this week,

1243
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 6: and I got a real smile out of him, I

1244
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 6: believe because he kind of laughed at off. It was like, look, man,

1245
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 6: I think these guys woul much rather me know what

1246
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 6: I'm looking at on Sundays versus being on time for

1247
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 6: dinner on Thursdays. So the guys really appreciate him, they

1248
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 6: love him, But it sounds like that competitive nature comes

1249
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 6: out and how detailed he is. Not a big screamer

1250
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 6: raw ra guy, but she'll know how much he cares

1251
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 6: because he's on you all the time about the little

1252
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 6: minute details that often decide when he and losing in

1253
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 6: the NFL.

1254
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: James, I haven't pinpointed which one it is yet, but

1255
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: to me, Daniel Zones looks like some sort of a

1256
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: cross between the anime character from We or the little

1257
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: guy in the Kroger commercials. I can't figure out which

1258
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: one it is yet, striving me crazy. When you figure

1259
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: it out, you let me know, all right.

1260
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 6: I will, I will. He's certainly somebody who around here,

1261
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 6: you know, he's coming, a fan favorite, so it might

1262
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 6: need a couple of fatheads or something.

1263
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 3: That's right around the city. That's right, all right.

1264
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 1: James will be listening tomorrow, seven o'clock in the morning.

1265
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: Appreciate the time. All right, you have a good one, right,

1266
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: James Boyd joining us on the Java House, Peel and

1267
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: Port guest line.