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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartbiner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: Well, hi there everybody.

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Speaker 2: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today. So glad I can join you and

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Speaker 2: you can join me on this Monday, the Monday of Christmas,

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Speaker 2: week of the Honukkah, and of course Festivus, the festiv

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Speaker 2: Us for the rest of us, which is happening. That's

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Speaker 2: why Tony's off, by the way he is do you

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Speaker 2: celebrate Festivus or do you just observe it? I think

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Speaker 2: you observe it. Yes, there will be an airing of

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Speaker 2: grievances here on the show today.

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Speaker 3: We got a great show.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be joining them a little bit by

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Speaker 2: Andrew Wilfer from the National Taxpayers Union. He is their

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Speaker 2: expert on economic migration and how the various states are

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Speaker 2: doing how as a competitive federalism is faring in which

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Speaker 2: states are dealing with what.

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Speaker 3: Who's going where? We got Rachel Moon.

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Speaker 2: She is a conservative activist, a pro Israel activist. She's

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Speaker 2: going to be joining us. I had to cost to

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Speaker 2: meet her. Last week. We got kem Strang from Americans

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Speaker 2: for Prosperity is going to be joining us today. And

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Speaker 2: then my good buddy Tom Shatz from Citizens Against Government

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Speaker 2: Waste to talk about something fascinating happening, this entity called CMMI,

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Speaker 2: and you would be surprised, guys, you would be surprised.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you wouldn't be surprised. You might not be surprised

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Speaker 2: to learn that an entity which was set up to

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Speaker 2: save the federal taxpayers money but has actually cost the

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Speaker 2: federal taxpayers billions. If it were to be zeroed out,

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Speaker 2: CBO would score it as a negatively impacting revenue. Even

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Speaker 2: though it would save the taxpayers billions of dollars, CBO

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Speaker 2: would score it as costing taxpayers billions. We're going to

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Speaker 2: find out what the deal is with Tom Shatz in

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Speaker 2: the meantime. By the way, if you're out there and

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Speaker 2: you're getting your powerball tickets, save some for me. Please.

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Speaker 2: The powerball jackpot up to one point six billion now

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Speaker 2: because no numbers were called on Friday or Saturday Saturdays

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Speaker 2: when it was so let's go here, because the big

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Speaker 2: thing in the news over the weekend was the big

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Speaker 2: turning point USA America Fest and lots of discussion, lots

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Speaker 2: start here, which is, of course, we had the meeting

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Speaker 2: between Erica Kirk and Candace Owen's was it last week?

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Speaker 2: Is it only last week? But Rob Schneider had some

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Speaker 2: choice words. Let's start with that. Let's go to cut

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Speaker 4: I just I just heard that Candace Owen has proof

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Speaker 4: that the Venezuelan boats were blown up by the Zionist.

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Speaker 2: State of Israel.

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Speaker 5: And it's true because Candace had a dream about it.

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Speaker 2: All of Cannis's dreams come true, especially the dreams she

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Speaker 2: had when she was.

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Speaker 6: A little girl about one day becoming the biggest grifter

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Speaker 6: the Internet has ever seen.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we can hit it there.

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Speaker 2: That was that's fin lessons Rob Schneider Man, I love

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Speaker 2: Rob Schneider. We need to land We need to get

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Speaker 2: Rob Schneider on the air. That was.

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Speaker 3: That was really good.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, jad Vance spoke yesterday lots of discussion about feuding

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Speaker 2: in the movement and about his comments about America as

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Speaker 2: a Christian nation. But I want to start with what

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Speaker 2: he talked about regarding the successes of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: And we know the President gave a speech last week.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Tony said about it. If you

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Speaker 2: read the speech, you came away with a very different

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Speaker 2: there are there are lots to be cheering in terms

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Speaker 3: The Vice President laid it out. Let's play cut number two.

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Speaker 2: There's still so much important work to do.

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Speaker 7: My friends were barely a year into this administration, not

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Speaker 7: even a year into the administration. But I'm so proud

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Speaker 7: of the accomplishments of the President and the entire administration.

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Speaker 7: In just a year, we ended Joe Biden Kamala Harris's

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Speaker 7: border crisis. December marks seven months straight of zero releases

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Speaker 7: at the southern border. More than two point five million

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Speaker 7: in over fifty years that we have had negative net migration.

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Speaker 2: And it's just the start.

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Speaker 7: When you restore sanity at the border, it shows up

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Speaker 7: everywhere else. Rent prices are dropping four months in a row,

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Speaker 7: Kamala Harrison opened the border and destroyed the economy. The

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Speaker 7: Trump administration gave you net negative migration and much more

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Speaker 2: We can end it there, and so much stems from that,

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Speaker 2: and there's a lot there some more discussion as to

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Speaker 2: but let's go down if you can. To cut number

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Here's Kevin Hassett from the National Economics Council.

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Speaker 2: Here he is talking about the Bidenomics mess. Let's play

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Speaker 2: cut number twenty three if.

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Speaker 8: You would well already what we've seen is after four

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Speaker 8: years under the Biden administration, where real incomes went down

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Speaker 8: by three thousand dollars for the typical family, they've gone

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Speaker 8: up by thirteen hundred dollars this year. Now, it doesn't

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Speaker 8: mean that you know, Biden dig he really dug a

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Speaker 8: that Joe by and created, but were making great progress.

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Speaker 8: And one of the things that I think I really

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Speaker 8: liked most about the President's speeches this week, but I'm biased,

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Speaker 8: I'm an economist, is he put up a lot of

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Speaker 8: charts to show people like why they should truly believe

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Speaker 8: that we're going to make lots of progress out affordability. So,

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Speaker 8: for example, he put up a chart that showed all

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Speaker 8: the electric power generation plants that we've approved that it'll

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Speaker 8: he had a big map in the United States and

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Speaker 8: showed like I think it was sixteen hundred new power plants,

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Speaker 8: which is like, that's how you get electricity prices down, right,

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Speaker 8: So you don't just talk about it all right, let me.

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Speaker 3: Get into there.

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Speaker 2: That is how you would normally get electricity prices down.

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Speaker 2: But one of the real concerns that I have moving

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Speaker 2: How many of these rate setting boards are democratically controlled,

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Speaker 2: Because what the Vice President was talking about and what

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Speaker 2: it's not. I mean, this is this is not me

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Speaker 2: made by the Biden administration and Democrats generally, and what

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Speaker 2: you kill nearly one hundred million if not over one

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Speaker 2: I'm not making a pun here. Both chicken and egg

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Speaker 2: coming down. Why because we're not killing tens of millions,

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Speaker 2: a time. When you extract more gas, when you refine

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Speaker 2: prices are going to come down. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: much a cost where you are. I know where I

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Speaker 2: You know, I buy an ethanol blended eighty eight octane

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Speaker 2: regular gasoline is slightly higher than that. At this particular

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Speaker 2: These things have an impact, and we have to be

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Speaker 2: The converse to what Joe Biden warned way way back when.

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Speaker 2: able to drive down the road and see gas prices

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Speaker 2: people couldn't see that, right because it's a constant reminder

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Speaker 2: of how Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were messing up

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Speaker 2: the economy. The converse is largely true. People know when

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Speaker 2: they go to the pump and they see less expensive gas.

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Speaker 2: That has an impact, even if they're being told that

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Speaker 2: things are not right with the economy. And then there

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Speaker 2: are ripple effects that happen. As the Vice President said,

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Speaker 2: as Kevin Hast said, real wages are going up, rents

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Speaker 2: are coming down.

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Speaker 3: As we deal with the.

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Speaker 2: Permitting issues and the ability to source materials for building

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Speaker 2: an agency about them. We're going to continue to have

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Speaker 2: talk about conspiracy theorizing. I want to talk about something.

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Speaker 2: Jasmine Crockett the right now, the presumptive Democratic nominee for

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Speaker 2: Senate in Texas. She had a whopper of a conspiracy

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Speaker 2: We are back. I am Andrew Langer and for Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today. Happy Hanaka to all who celebrate, Happy Festivus,

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Speaker 2: for those of you who trying to noodle through exactly

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Speaker 2: how you celebrate festivals. And of course it's Christmas. You

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Speaker 2: send you Christmas music. Tomorrow I will have Christmas music

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Speaker 2: Andrew Wilford from the National Taxpayers Union. He's director of

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Speaker 2: their Interstate Commerce Initiative. But I want to go here.

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Speaker 2: So obviously, as we've been talking about, you probably watched

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Speaker 2: for SEAPAC, the folks who put the big conference on

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Speaker 2: every year. Next Seapack happening in Dallas in late March.

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Speaker 2: I do healthcare policy, regulatory policy, and it's a busy

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Speaker 2: though it's the holiday week. I got three different sets

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Speaker 2: so I couldn't get out to the TPUSA event. It

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Speaker 2: looked just incredible, I really really is. The the production.

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Speaker 3: Were very high.

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Speaker 2: The vice president capped it off, I will get into

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Speaker 2: what you don junior playing the message from President Trump.

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Speaker 2: But Vice President Vance had this to say, let's play

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Speaker 2: cut number three. But ask yourself, what do all.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna play the whole thing a third time,

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Speaker 2: Nobody is threatened by your masculinity last year when you

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Speaker 2: we're not threatened by your masculinity, Jasmine Crockett. We're not

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Speaker 2: when we come back, Andrew Wilford from the National Taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today, and this, of course is Tony Gats Today.

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Speaker 2: So as we're talking about the economy and what's going

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Speaker 2: I love that name, by the way, at the National

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if we're as exciting as the

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Speaker 2: But are you kidding?

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Speaker 4: It's great, man, certainly some you know, some very revealing

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Speaker 4: And in this case, you know, we found in the

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Speaker 4: you raise a great point in something that that policymakers

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Speaker 4: have to be mindful of that and people moving too,

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Speaker 4: They have to realize, hey, I left that state because

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be in that kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: political environment, I don't want to be in that tax environment.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't just go for the same stuff once I

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Speaker 4: moved to a state that doesn't have those problems.

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Speaker 2: Indiana ranks number nineteen in terms of net gain, a

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Speaker 2: number of someone new moves to Indiana every one hour,

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Speaker 2: twenty two minutes and thirty six seconds. So in the

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Speaker 2: span of Tony's show today, will Go Indiana will will

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Speaker 2: net two more residents. I mean, my philosophy and all

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Speaker 2: of this. Andrew, and we're talking with Andrew Wilford from

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Speaker 2: the National Taxpayers Union bring your food with you, like,

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Speaker 2: bring your cuisine with you. So you know, when you

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Speaker 2: come to Virginia or when you're going to Arizona and

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Speaker 2: you're coming from New York, bring good deli, bring good

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Speaker 2: Italian food, bring a good Asian market, but don't bring

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Speaker 2: your tax policy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is the problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean absolutely and here here in I'm also

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Speaker 4: a Virginia resident, and we could certainly use some more

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Speaker 4: cuisine and a lot of the a lot of the

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Speaker 4: places I live nearby, but certainly not not the votes

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Speaker 4: we've been getting.

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Speaker 2: Right, So you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: It's certainly, certainly dynamics that adds to this. But on

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Speaker 4: the other hand, you know all the you know, people

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Speaker 4: people leave states, people coming to states. It's not just

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Speaker 4: really it's not just the metric of how how well

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Speaker 4: your state is doing, even though it is that. It's

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Speaker 4: also you know, it has a real impact. It has

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Speaker 4: an impact on revenue. Like we estimate that California is

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Speaker 4: going to lose four and a half billion dollars this

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Speaker 4: year in state and local revenue just because of migration

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Speaker 4: in that one year.

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Speaker 2: So that's not even cumulative.

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Speaker 4: It's not looking at you know, all the all the

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Speaker 4: people who left in the years past. That's just that's

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Speaker 4: just in twenty twenty five, so you know, it's it

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Speaker 4: really can be death by a thousand cuts because if

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Speaker 4: you know, you look at Caliborn New's budget situation right now,

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Speaker 4: it's not great.

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Speaker 2: So here's here's a tail a lot off like that.

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Speaker 2: I would almost want to drill down. This is the

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Speaker 2: really fascinating thing. And then by the way, uh check

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Speaker 2: out the map that NTU has. I'll post it on

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Speaker 2: my Twitter page. Andrew underscore Langer. What I appreciate about

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Speaker 2: this is, so you've got Mississippi, which is right in

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Speaker 2: the middle. It's ranked number twenty six. They have people

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Speaker 2: leaving Mississippi, but only every thirteen hours, nine minutes and

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Speaker 2: eleven seconds. But you've got Utah at number twenty five.

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Speaker 2: They have very slow net migration inward and just diagonal

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Speaker 2: to them to the southeast is New Mexico, which is

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Speaker 2: you know, someone's leaving New Mexico every seven hours, So

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Speaker 2: you know, what's what's the Have you drilled down into

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Speaker 2: the stark difference between those two policies, Who's doing what?

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Speaker 2: What is what is Utah barely doing right? What is

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Speaker 2: New Mexico barely doing wrong?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what once you get to that that

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Speaker 4: granular of a level, it's it's not always that clear. Sure,

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Speaker 4: on the macro level, you can always see I mean,

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Speaker 4: for example, like if you just look at uh, wealthy

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Speaker 4: tax payers where they're moving, there's obviously I mean, this

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Speaker 4: can sound like an obvious thing I'm saying, but people

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Speaker 4: don't necessarily think it is so right saying.

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Speaker 2: But there's not.

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Speaker 4: There's not a single state that has raised taxes that

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Speaker 4: has gained more uh that is that is that is

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Speaker 4: doing better in migration among wealthy tax payers than the

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Speaker 4: state that's lowered them. So every single state that's lower

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Speaker 4: taxes is gaining more uh, gaining more residents than states

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Speaker 4: that have raised them. And like, you know, that's again

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Speaker 4: it's me just saying that to you.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, of course, but sure, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I think I think this is not something that

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Speaker 4: policy makers necessarily think about. Yeah, I mean, not a

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Speaker 4: state that's lowering taxes recently.

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Speaker 3: So right, you know, listen, I'm going to make a

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Speaker 3: bold prediction.

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to see more more net migration

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Speaker 2: into Utah. Their regulatory climate has been changing Idaho's regulatory

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Speaker 2: climate wide hose number ranked number ten. Someone who moves

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Speaker 2: to Idaho every twenty six minutes and nine seconds. Again

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Speaker 2: has contrasted with the Oregon and Washington State someone two

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Speaker 2: people leave Washington State every hour in terms of the

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Speaker 2: net you know, again, this is this is what it's

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Speaker 2: what it's all about. It is It is fascinating to me,

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Speaker 2: and you guys are doing the whole series. So what's

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Speaker 2: the goal here, what we're we're how what is what

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Speaker 2: is the plan for using this information?

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Speaker 3: What's the plan for the initiative?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think more broadly speaking, are you know,

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Speaker 4: the Interstate Commerce Initiative is looking at how states are

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Speaker 4: you know, taxing and regulating outside their borders. And kind

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Speaker 4: of what we're concerned about here is that we're seeing

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Speaker 4: states like California and like New York who are continually

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Speaker 4: losing taxpayers to other states. Their budget sizes continuous well

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Speaker 4: not shrinking, you know, in total total in an absolute sense,

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Speaker 4: but it's it's not growing as much as other states are.

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Speaker 4: And it's because you know, they're what they're what they're

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Speaker 4: doing is instead of trying to you know, trying to

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Speaker 4: make the numbers work at their own local you know,

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Speaker 4: at the state level, they're seeing taxairs in other states.

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Speaker 2: They're seeing taxars.

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Speaker 4: Who are in Arizona and Nevada, who who are you know,

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Speaker 4: shipping goods around the country things like that, and saying

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Speaker 4: we're going to try and tax more of this. And

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Speaker 4: that's what we're really concerned about, is that that sort

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Speaker 4: of tendency among these sort of loser states to try

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Speaker 4: and instead of instead of become more competitive, try and

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Speaker 4: just know, throw the throw the throw the pieces off

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Speaker 4: the table and say we're just going to tax whatever

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Speaker 4: you want.

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Speaker 2: It's a d C. At one point, we're floating an

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Speaker 2: idea where if you worked in d C, but you

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Speaker 2: but you lived in Virginia, they would tax you. I

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Speaker 2: mean that, which is which is amazing to me. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here looking at at uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's that issue.

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Speaker 2: Part of this is Andrew is you know, when you

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Speaker 2: have a state like California or or you have a

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Speaker 2: state like Maryland and they're trying to make policy, uh

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Speaker 2: that is essentially going to affect the rest of the nation.

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Speaker 2: This is this is not this is not what we want,

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Speaker 2: is it? Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And you know you say that that that dec proposal,

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Speaker 4: like it's something crazy, But New York, New York does that,

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Speaker 4: and like there are few there's a few other states

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Speaker 4: that do so. Like that's that's exactly the kind of.

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Speaker 5: Thing we're concerned about.

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Speaker 2: Amen to that. And listen, you can go check this

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Speaker 2: out into you dot org. Uh it's their foundation, the

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Speaker 2: National tax Resiunion Foundation. Uh, it has the piece up.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tweet this out in just a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes. Andrew Wilford from and to you, thank you

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Speaker 2: for joining us, my friend.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Have a happy holiday.

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Speaker 3: Take care.

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Speaker 2: That was Andrew Wilford. He is the director of there

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Speaker 2: of the National Taxpayers Union Foundation's Interstate Commerce Initiative. Fascinating,

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Speaker 2: fascinating work. And yeah, that's the aphorism, right, if you're

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Speaker 2: gonna make the move, right, if you're gonna make the

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Speaker 2: move from Illinois, which is ranked number forty nine, or you're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna move from Ohio, which is ranked number.

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Speaker 2: Thirty six, into Indiana, don't take Illinois or Indiana or

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Speaker 2: Michigan's policies with you. Leave them there. Take whatever the

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Speaker 2: best food is in bringing with you. That's all I

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Speaker 2: have to say. I'm Andrew lagger In for Tony Kats.

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Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats Today. So we were talking about

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Speaker 2: this bizarre statement that Jazz Crocket made on M Snow yesterday.

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Speaker 2: If you're go ahead, let's pull play at number four again,

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Speaker 2: real quick, stem Missy.

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Speaker 9: And that is actually what they are fearful of, is

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Speaker 9: my authenticity because it rings true with every single American,

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Speaker 9: whether they're a Texan or not. It rings true that

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Speaker 9: I am fighting for real, everyday people. And instead of

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Speaker 9: talking about policy, when you're talking about the record speaks

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Speaker 9: for itself. Baby, Let's talk about your record because the

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Speaker 9: only reason you're the vice president is because the current

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Speaker 9: president tried to have his last president killed.

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Speaker 10: Let's talk about qualifications.

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Speaker 2: Oh I see so yeah. So listener Randy messaged in.

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Speaker 2: She misspoke what she's saying. She was referring to Vice

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Speaker 2: President Pence that the only reason why your vice president

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Speaker 2: is because of Donald Trump tried to have Mike Pence killed.

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Speaker 2: It's a very very strange way of looking at it.

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Speaker 2: But I want to thank you for that, Randy. That

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Speaker 2: was a good that's a good pick up there. But

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Speaker 2: this idea of being threatened by her authenticity. I made

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Speaker 2: the case that this is what Tim Waltz was trying

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Speaker 2: to do. Here is Tim Waltz at the DNC last

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Speaker 2: summer Summer of twenty twenty four, talking about what a

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Speaker 2: good shot he is.

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Speaker 3: Let's play that.

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Speaker 11: Is, I'm trying to own masculinity in the most regressive,

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Speaker 11: sort of misogynous way possible. Jd Vance lecturing everybody on

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Speaker 11: what a family means, what it means to be a man.

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Speaker 11: Donald Trump obviously has his own version of manhood. To

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Speaker 11: see Tim Walls out there as a man who is

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Speaker 11: just joyfully embracing his role as the vice potential vice

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Speaker 11: president to the woman, the nation's first female president, is

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Speaker 11: an extraordinary thing. But also to see his son weeping

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Speaker 11: for his father in a deeply tender and emotional way.

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Speaker 2: And then the last thing I'll say, because.

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Speaker 11: I think this hasn't been talked about enough to see

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Speaker 11: Democrats champion men as voices on reproductive choice.

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Speaker 2: As you saw, good Lord, you know something. But what

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Speaker 2: they're referring to was this clip also at the DNC.

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Speaker 2: Here's Tim Waltz talking about what a great shot he was.

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Speaker 12: I know guns, I'm a veteran, I'm a hunter, and

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Speaker 12: I was a better shot than most Republicans in Congress,

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Speaker 12: and I got the trophies to prove it.

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Speaker 2: Yet no, there's, by the way, very little indication that

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Speaker 2: that story was true. In fact, just the opposite, very

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Speaker 2: little in the way of proof that he was a

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Speaker 2: better shot than most Republicans.

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Speaker 3: I got the trophies to prove it.

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Speaker 2: We went, we went through, when we when we peeled

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Speaker 2: peeled that back. I'll say it again because in the

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Speaker 2: next hour we're going to talk about this Somalia's situation.

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Speaker 2: And I think I brought this up the last time

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Speaker 2: I was in for Tony is this this story was

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Speaker 2: starting to break.

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Speaker 3: I think my lucky stars that this guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of reasons why I'm

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Speaker 2: thankful that these two nincompoops didn't get elected president and

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Speaker 2: vice president. And some of it has to do with

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Speaker 2: the just the horrible, the horrible way America's semi Sequentinnial,

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Speaker 2: the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary would be portrayed. Some

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Speaker 2: of it is going to be about who's president and

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Speaker 2: how we celebrate America's return to the surface of the

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Speaker 2: Moon in the next couple of years, but some of

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Speaker 2: it has to do. And the lion's share of my

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Speaker 2: relief comes from as we peel back at the very

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Speaker 2: least Tim Waltz's record and the level of corruption and

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Speaker 2: the questions. Just thank God, thank God that this guy

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Speaker 2: is not vice president, because either a, we never would

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Speaker 2: have learned about this Somali fraud, it would have been

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Speaker 2: swept under the rug, or god forbid, we had actually

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Speaker 2: found out about it. In the most amazing sense, we

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Speaker 2: would be dealing with it as this guy was Vice

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Speaker 2: President of the United States, and we'd be referring to

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Speaker 2: him as the next coming of Ted Agnews. We got

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Speaker 2: a jam packed hour. Next hour.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I call him Ted Agnew.

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Speaker 2: If you've spent any time at Maryland, called Ted Agnew.

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Speaker 3: Next, how we got Rachel Moon.

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Speaker 2: She's a conservative anti semitism activist, also Ken Strength from AFP.

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Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Langlet this is Tony.

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Speaker 1: Katsky live from the Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. Well, hey to everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today. So

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Speaker 2: glad I can join you and you can join me,

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Speaker 2: and we can join each other. I want to spend

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Speaker 2: a special shout out to my friends Alexa and Jim

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Speaker 2: out there in Indy, South Indy. So glad you guys

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Speaker 2: are tuning in. You can drop me a note if

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Speaker 2: you want Facebook dot com slash Andrew Langer Show. You

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Speaker 2: can also message me on Twitter at Andrew Underscore Langer

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Speaker 2: l A n G E R. We got a great

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Speaker 2: hour coming up. Kent Strang from Americans for Prosperity is

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Speaker 2: going to be joining us in just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Rachel Moon, who is a social media content creator at

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Speaker 2: Jewish American Advocate, She's going to be joining us as

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Speaker 2: well to talk about anti Semitism. So I want to

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Speaker 2: sum up a little bit more. I mean, obviously we

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Speaker 2: may come back to and play what the President had

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Speaker 2: to say at the Turning Point event introduced by his son,

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Speaker 2: but since we were talking about Tim Waltz, I do

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Speaker 2: love these.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I will say.

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Speaker 2: This again, I think I've said these on Tony's airways before.

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Speaker 2: I defy you. I defy you to take a look

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Speaker 2: at Tim Waltz and not immediately think of a worried

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Speaker 2: Fozzy Bear if you're a Muppet fan. By the way,

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Speaker 2: Muppet's coming back I believe in January, Tim Waltz looks

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Speaker 2: just like a worried fazzy bear. In fact, I think

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Speaker 2: I did that ai art last summer. But here is

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Speaker 2: Vice President Vance in his remarks. It was what they

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Speaker 2: would call a stem winder, a barn burner of a

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Speaker 2: speech talking about Somalia. Let's play at number nine.

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Speaker 10: And this is the moral truth.

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Speaker 7: We strived the center in our work in the Trump

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Speaker 7: administration and in this great movement of ours true Christian politics.

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Speaker 7: It cannot just be about the protection of the born

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Speaker 7: or the promotion of the family, as important as those

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Speaker 7: things and absolutely are, it must be at the heart

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Speaker 7: of our full understanding of government. Why do we penalize

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Speaker 7: corporations that ship American jobs overseas because we believe in

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Speaker 7: the inherent dignity of human work and every person who

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Speaker 7: works a good job.

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Speaker 3: In this country.

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Speaker 7: Why why have we worked without the help of Congress

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Speaker 7: to restrict H one BBSes, for example, because we believe

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Speaker 7: it is wrong for companies to bypass American labor just

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Speaker 7: to go for cheaper options in.

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Speaker 5: The third world.

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Speaker 7: We help older Americans in retirement, including by ending taxes

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Speaker 7: on Social Security, because we believe in honoring your father

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Speaker 7: and mother rather than shipping all of their money off

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Speaker 7: the Ukraine. We believe in taking care of the poor,

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Speaker 7: which is why we have Medicaid, so that the least

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Speaker 7: among us can afford their prescriptions or to take their

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Speaker 7: kids to see a doctor. And it's why we are

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Speaker 7: outraged at the injustice of Tim Waltz allowing Somalian immigrants

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Speaker 7: to defraud that program to the tune of billions of dollars

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Speaker 7: in ought to go to Americans, because that's who it's

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Speaker 7: therefore right.

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Speaker 2: It's not a zero sum game here, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these things have consequences. So every dollar that

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Speaker 2: was shunted out of these programs in Minnesota to go

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Speaker 2: to the Somalia, whether legally or illegally, is money that

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be used by in four Americans. That

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Speaker 2: was what the American taxpayers were paying for. Now, what

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Speaker 2: I love about this? You know what I love? I

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Speaker 2: love it, I do genuinely. I love it when politicians

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Speaker 2: have lack of self awareness, I do. You know, we

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Speaker 2: call it the gallows humor, and me call it a

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Speaker 2: bit of shodenfreude, taking joy in the in the pain

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Speaker 2: of somebody else. We know what's happening in Minnesota, we

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Speaker 2: know who's responsible for it. But guess who's going to

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Speaker 2: clean it up. Well, Tim Walls thinks he's going to

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Speaker 2: clean it up. Here is what he had to say.

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Speaker 2: Let's put kinnumber ten.

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Speaker 12: Well, look who's ever in charge? And I said, unlike

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Speaker 12: the President, I'm the governor. Now, whether these programs happened

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Speaker 12: before we got here afterwards, it doesn't matter. We're here now,

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Speaker 12: we're the ones fixing it. You have my guarantee on

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Speaker 12: this is that I certainly will have this thing fixed.

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Speaker 3: And you see that we're on the front end of it.

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Speaker 3: That's how this works.

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Speaker 12: And so would I have wanted to stop this would

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Speaker 12: have gone out? You know, if you think the governor

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Speaker 12: goes out and checks somebody on medicaid and that they

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Speaker 12: were there, No, but that's somebody in government needed to

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Speaker 12: do that. And if they didn't do that, or if

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Speaker 12: there were loopholes in this, And what we found is

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Speaker 12: these are poorly written and left openings and the goal

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Speaker 12: was to get the money out.

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Speaker 3: We'll fix that.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, I'll take accountability for it. But what if

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Speaker 12: you're seeing here is is you're seeing a weaponization. We'll

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Speaker 12: continue to fix it. They're going to continue to come

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Speaker 12: up with numbers that don't have it there and it's sensationalized.

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Speaker 12: I don't expect anything different from this administration, you know.

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Speaker 2: And and do me a favor tonight, email me after the show.

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Speaker 2: Emailed me so that I can. I can. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually take that and transcribe it. That bizarre words.

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Speaker 2: I'm serious, I watch it. I will transcribe the opening segment.

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Speaker 3: Of the show tomorrow. We're gonna we're gonna play this

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Speaker 3: and we.

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Speaker 2: Are going to dissect specifically what Tim Walls had to

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Speaker 2: say in response to this. Oh, you know, whoever was

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Speaker 2: in charge, we were in charge. Well, if we were

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Speaker 2: in charge when we were in charge, well maybe we

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Speaker 2: were in charge of you know, this is fraud, but

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Speaker 2: it's not fraud because there's a loophole.

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Speaker 3: We'll close the loophole.

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Speaker 2: No, Governor, you were well aware of this from from

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Speaker 2: what I understand. And by the way, folks, I do

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Speaker 2: a a weekly hit on the Twin Cities. Maybe we'll

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Speaker 2: also we'll try to get John Justice on. John is

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Speaker 2: a colleague of mine and Tony's John Justice does the

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Speaker 2: Mornings in Twin Cities, and you know, John's been you

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Speaker 2: know what's talked about the fact that Tim Waltz was

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Speaker 2: made aware of this fraud that was happening and did

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Speaker 2: nothing about it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I believe the whistleblowers were fired. In fact,

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Speaker 3: do me a favor, Linda.

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Speaker 2: We're going to jump down here because here is a

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Speaker 2: state representative, Patty Anderson from Minnesota. She is is she

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Speaker 2: is on TV saying that the nine billion dollar figure

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Speaker 2: is probably low. Let's play at number thirteen.

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Speaker 13: That that fraud number that has been put out there

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Speaker 13: by the US Attorney And of course it's massive. I

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Speaker 13: got all of our attention this week talking you know,

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Speaker 13: potentially nine billion dollars or more. But the governor has

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Speaker 13: said he believes that's unfounded. And what do you what

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Speaker 13: do you say to that, because it's still a could be.

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Speaker 13: It's it could be.

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Speaker 14: And I think, you know, we're going to find out

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Speaker 14: out the employees at DHS that are doing all the

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Speaker 14: whistle blowing they say that number is probably low, that

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Speaker 14: it's nine billion within just these fourteen programs, and then

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Speaker 14: there's all sorts of other programs where there's where there's

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Speaker 14: been a fraud that they've been trying to bring to

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Speaker 14: the administration. They've brought to the administration and again they've

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Speaker 14: been shut down. These are folks that are lifetime employees,

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Speaker 14: you know of DHS, people that want to do good,

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Speaker 14: that want to provide services, that want to be helpful,

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Speaker 14: and it's it's been really hard on them to, you know,

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Speaker 14: essentially be shut down or italiated.

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Speaker 2: Well by the way, you know, here's a word to

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Speaker 2: the wise. Any of you who are bosses who are

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Speaker 2: out there, you know, managers of people, if you have

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Speaker 2: people in whatever entity it is, whether it's a for

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Speaker 2: profit entity, nonprofit entity, whatever you're trying to do, one

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Speaker 2: of the one of the quickest ways to destroy an

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Speaker 2: organization is by finding ways to prevent.

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Speaker 3: People from just doing their jobs.

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Speaker 2: Those folks want to come in, they just want to

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Speaker 2: do their job, and they don't want to have to

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Speaker 2: deal with the monkey business of some manager with an

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Speaker 2: axe to grind. You know, these folks all they wanted

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Speaker 2: to do was serve the people of Minnesota and do

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Speaker 2: right and you know, discharge the trust that they've been

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Speaker 2: left with. And yet and yet they were being frustrated

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Speaker 2: and prevented from doing that job. You know, we'll come

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Speaker 2: back at some point to this, because we got Hakim Jeffries.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to play right now, Landon, But Hakim

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Speaker 2: Jeffries called James Comer, Congressman James Carmer, Chairman James Commer

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Speaker 2: a clown for wanting to investigate the Minnesota Somali fraud.

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Speaker 2: Comber responded to Jeffries, there is the back and forth there.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, these were Democrats and

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Speaker 2: ministering programs that were essentially created by Democrats, and they

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Speaker 2: don't like the idea that they are being investigated for malfeasance,

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Speaker 2: for a misappropriation of funds. And guess what, Governor Waltz,

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Speaker 2: guess what, Congressman Jeffries. The federal government, the Congress has

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Speaker 2: every right and more importantly, the responsibility to make sure

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Speaker 2: that federal tax dollars weren't being illegally shunted to a

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Speaker 2: foreign nation, you know, illegally funding terrorism. By the way,

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Speaker 2: that's all lost in this. When we return, guys after

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Speaker 2: the spots, we got Rachel Moon. We're gonna be talking

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Speaker 2: with her about anti Semitism. I'm Andrew Langer. This is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. Well, Welcome back everybody. I am Andrew

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Speaker 2: Langer in for Tony Katz today, so glad I can

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Speaker 2: join you. Thank you Wilford for joining us here on

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Speaker 2: the Tony Katz Radio Network. Joining us right now is

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Speaker 2: Rachel Muna. Had caused to meet her last week. She

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Speaker 2: is a social media content creator, really interesting stuff she's

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Speaker 2: doing on social media. She is a very strong advocate

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Speaker 2: for Jewish Americans. And Rachel, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Andrew, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's good stuff. You know. You and I met last week,

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Speaker 2: hung out a bit, had lots lots and lots to

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Speaker 2: talk about. But I want to get your take on

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Speaker 2: the different feedback out of Turning Point USA, but specifically

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Speaker 2: focusing on what Ben Shapiro had to say. I thought

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Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro did an amazing job at Turning Point. I

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Speaker 2: wanted to get your thoughts here and about this sort

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Speaker 2: of I don't even know why any of this is

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Speaker 2: a question anymore, but apparently we're having questions over anti

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Speaker 2: Semitism in America. I thought this was settled law, but

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Speaker 2: apparently not.

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Speaker 15: You know it is, so I don't even want to

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Speaker 15: say shocking, because this has been going on for years

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Speaker 15: and in some ways, I'm very happy to see that

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Speaker 15: the conversation is being had at places like Turning Point.

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Speaker 15: Years ago, I went on a podcast at Turning Point

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Speaker 15: to talk about the rise in anti Semitism, and it

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Speaker 15: had only just kind of started to ramp up. And now,

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Speaker 15: you know, years later, post October seventh, we see what's

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Speaker 15: going on, especially here in the United States, and you know,

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Speaker 15: then Shapiro going on that stage and calling out the

871
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Speaker 15: really inappropriate and devisive rhetoric that's been going on, and

872
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Speaker 15: we can't even say that it's just the left anymore.

873
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Speaker 15: You know, we have the far right that is stealing

874
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Speaker 15: these old anti Semitic blood ribles, and that has been

875
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Speaker 15: very shocking to me as someone who is a lifelong conservative.

876
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Speaker 15: I never ever thought that this would be something that

877
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Speaker 15: would be acceptable within the concern bit of movement. And

878
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Speaker 15: for him to get on stage and call out his

879
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 15: peers on some of the things that they've been peddling

880
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 15: or shying away from calling out themselves, I thought he

881
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Speaker 15: did an amazing job. I thought he was very articulate.

882
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Speaker 15: I thought he did not hold back. And if you

883
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Speaker 15: notice any of the criticism that he's been getting has

884
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Speaker 15: been coming from these problematic people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's that that's that's very true.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me because I was having a conversation

887
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Speaker 2: about sort of splits within the conservative movement with an

888
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Speaker 2: old friend of mine, long time friend of mine, and

889
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: and you know, we both were talking about who benefits

890
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: from this? And to me, there there To me, there is,

891
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Speaker 2: because listen, I'm a little bit older than you are.

892
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Speaker 2: You know, this is again something that I thought was

893
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Speaker 2: long settled in these circles.

894
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Speaker 3: We are well as we are a long way.

895
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Speaker 2: Away from the soft bigotry, the soft anti semitism of

896
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Speaker 2: the Richard Nixons and LBJs of the world, right we

897
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Speaker 2: you know, listen, we're not denying that it happened. It

898
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Speaker 2: certainly happened. But I thought, you know, in the post

899
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Speaker 2: Reagan world, we were well beyond that. So me, I

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Speaker 2: come back to the idea of the question gets asked,

901
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: who benefits? Well, you know, there the Lord knows, the

902
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: Russians have never been particularly friendly to Jews. The Chinese

903
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: certainly benefit from keeping us turned against each other. And

904
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Speaker 2: to me, there's no great mystery that so much of

905
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Speaker 2: this has come up in the wake of the Russian

906
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Speaker 2: war with Ukraine, and as America takes a much stronger

907
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Speaker 2: position towards China, they want to turn us more against

908
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: each other, don't they.

909
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

910
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 15: And anytime someone comes to me and they say like,

911
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 15: how could this be happening and people in America, and

912
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 15: I say, look, we really need to zoom out, zoom

913
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Speaker 15: out and pay attention to who's pulling the strings. Pay

914
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Speaker 15: attention to these foreign entities that are creating this. I know,

915
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Speaker 15: speaking personally, being someone whose job is on the internet,

916
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Speaker 15: on social media, I know firsthand how foreign agents can

917
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Speaker 15: use vot farms against different accounts to silence you. It

918
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Speaker 15: happened to me many many times leading up to the election,

919
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Speaker 15: and I've seen it time and time again with anything

920
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Speaker 15: regarding Israel, anything regarding conservatism, And it's just it's very

921
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Speaker 15: obvious to me if you look into a lot of

922
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Speaker 15: these accounts and what people are saying online, these they

923
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Speaker 15: are not even real people. So again, zoom out and

924
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Speaker 15: pay attention to who's doing this and think for a second.

925
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Speaker 2: Why right, and and ask yourself the question who benefits

926
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm reminded of it was one of those

927
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Speaker 2: things we watched the Tea Party movement sort of get

928
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: destroyed by the grifter class coming in, right. They saw

929
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: this movement, they saw how vibrant it was, so they

930
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Speaker 2: moved in to try to destroy it through a whole

931
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Speaker 2: host of ways.

932
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Speaker 3: And one of the grifters who.

933
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Speaker 2: Was involved in this, I know, right before January sixth,

934
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Speaker 2: right before the January sixth rally was taking place. It's

935
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Speaker 2: well documented this person got a massive influx of cryptocurrency

936
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Speaker 2: from outside the United States. And that sounds like a

937
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. But I'm not naming the name right now.

938
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Speaker 2: I'm happy to if you reach out to me privately,

939
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Speaker 2: happy to Unlike Cannas Owens, I'm happy to sort of

940
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Speaker 2: to sort of do this.

941
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Speaker 3: But you know, but that's just it.

942
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Speaker 2: You know, when we talk about foreign governments who want

943
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Speaker 2: to see us turn against each other, they are backing

944
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Speaker 2: it with huge amounts of money, aren't they.

945
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, And if you look at the last four years,

946
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Speaker 15: you can see how the Democratic Party that allowed a

947
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Speaker 15: lot of things to go unchecked, and we could talk

948
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Speaker 15: all day for the reasons why they and their movement

949
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Speaker 15: got completely demolished and exposed. And then the direct response

950
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Speaker 15: to that with the strengthening of the Conservative movement, tons

951
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 15: of moderate Democrats leaving the Democratic Party and becoming more conservative,

952
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 15: and everybody kind of meeting in the middle in this

953
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 15: way of Okay, well, we align on our basic beliefs

954
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 15: of what we think that this country stands for, and

955
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Speaker 15: that is a very, very very big threat to our enemies.

956
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 2: No, without a doubt, I mean, God forbid, Americans actually

957
00:52:58,239 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: come together to solve problems.

958
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Speaker 3: We act with great resolve, right.

959
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those things where in the

960
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Speaker 2: wake of nine to eleven, for instance, there was a

961
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Speaker 2: moment where we were all together and then within a

962
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Speaker 2: couple of days, because folks couldn't handle Americans actually coming

963
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: together to face a common foe, there were folks who

964
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Speaker 2: wanted to turn their attention, Oh, this is George Bush's fault.

965
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: What was George Bush doing? There's this, there's that, you know.

966
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Speaker 2: Nine to eleven was an inside of all of those things,

967
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Speaker 2: which are all, by the way, related to the same people.

968
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Rachel. We're talking with Rachel Moon.

969
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Speaker 2: She is a social media content creator, strong advocate for

970
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 2: Jewish American values. Just turning our attention to the issue

971
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: of being a social media content creator because the other

972
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: part of this is we've spent so much time and effort,

973
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: rightly so making sure that the large social media platforms

974
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Speaker 2: don't shadow band conservative voices. Now we seem to be

975
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: doing it to ourselves. How have you been impacted by this?

976
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 2: I mean, are you one of those folks who was

977
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: caught in the wake of know YouTube devaluing various platforms.

978
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Speaker 2: I'm somebody who's my social media reach has been very limited.

979
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm shadow banded or just nobody

980
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: likes me as it happened to you.

981
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 15: I yeah, absolutely, And I've had to kind of do

982
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 15: some deep dives on what's going on with social media.

983
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 15: I've been listening to a lot of podcasts with you know,

984
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 15: people at Meta and just various things to try to

985
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 15: figure out. Okay, I don't want to be someone that's

986
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 15: like just making it about me. Oh I want to

987
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 15: be shadow band because I'm speaking out about October seventh,

988
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 15: or I must be shadow band because I'm pro Trump,

989
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 15: or I must so instead of that, let me see

990
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 15: what's really going on. And there's a couple of things.

991
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 15: One thing that social media isn't what it once was, right,

992
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 15: and we kind of knew that that was going to happen.

993
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 15: When people's attention spans went from a thirty second video

994
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 15: to a fifteen second video, you had to get them

995
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 15: within fifteen Now it's like, if you don't have that

996
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 15: hook in two seconds, they're out. And so social media

997
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 15: started tracking these kind of metrics. How long does someone

998
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 15: stand someone's post, what kind of content are they they into?

999
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 15: And really, you know, a thousand lights on a post

1000
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 15: now it's one hundred lights.

1001
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: Wow, Hey Rachel, Unfortunately we got we got to leave

1002
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: it there, my friend. Thank you so very much. Listen,

1003
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: happy Hanika, it to you. Look forward to having you

1004
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: back at some point for having me. Take care, appreciate it.

1005
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: When we come back.

1006
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Speaker 3: We got cam' strang.

1007
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Speaker 2: He's a managing director of Americans for Prosperity. So much

1008
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: more to come here on Tony Katz Today. I'm Andrew Langer.

1009
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: This is, of course Tony Katz Today. Well, welcome back everybody.

1010
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer and for Tony Katz Today. On Tony

1011
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: Katz Today, Happy Festivus, Festivus for the rest of us,

1012
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: to all of you, Happynica, Merry Christmas. I'm here today,

1013
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 2: I'm here tomorrow. I always love sitting in for Tony here.

1014
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: By the way, I was just out in India a

1015
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago visiting a novartist facility. I want

1016
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Speaker 2: to get somebody on there to talk about innovation and

1017
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: the climate of innovation, which relates to the issue of

1018
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 2: affordability and joining us right now. His name is Kent Strang.

1019
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 2: He's a managing director at Americans for Prosperity. The website

1020
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 2: is Americans for Prosperity dot org. You can catch him

1021
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: on Newsmax every Thursday morning at nine thirty am. He's

1022
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: graduated to those weekday segments. I'm still a weekend utility infielder, Kent.

1023
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: I get called in on those random weekend segments where

1024
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 2: they need somebody. But talking about affordability obviously a big,

1025
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: big topic of discussion. The Vice President talked about it

1026
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: at Turning Point USA. Obviously on a lot of people's minds.

1027
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it's a made up word.

1028
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a made up word. I think

1029
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: it's important. But the Democrats are culpable. That was what

1030
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: the President was trying to say, isn't it.

1031
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 6: Trump was trying to say, and like, look, let's go

1032
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 6: back in time, and Chuck Schumer is talking about how

1033
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 6: he's going to have Democrats be wayser focused on affordability,

1034
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 6: But they have no business lecturing the American people on affordability.

1035
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 6: Under Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer's leadership, they passed five

1036
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 6: point five brillion dollars in new spending that cost forty

1037
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 6: year high inflation, and that cost the average American family

1038
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 6: eleven thousand, four hundred dollars more just to maintain their

1039
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 6: current lifestyle. And if Schumer and his folks at their way,

1040
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 6: Americans would be bracing for the biggest tax tike in

1041
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 6: American history because they all oppose President Trump's extension of

1042
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 6: the twenty seventeen tax guys. And so I think they

1043
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 6: were right not to not to fall into the trap

1044
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 6: that this is a Republican unaffordability crisis. This is very

1045
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 6: clearly a Democrat unafordable crisis that they created.

1046
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, can let me ask you this, because we were

1047
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: talking about this in the first hour of the show.

1048
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 2: As Joe Biden was leaving office, they they called they

1049
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: ordered the killing of more than one hundred million chickens,

1050
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: which led to poultry and egg prices to skyrocket. They

1051
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: finally started coming down in the spring and summertime when

1052
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: those those flocks began to began to come back. Have

1053
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 2: the Democrats ever allowed market forces to actually bring down

1054
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: the price of goods?

1055
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: They haven't. They've always stood in the way of that, haven't.

1056
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 6: They They do, and they think the government is there

1057
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 6: to solve all of our problems, and they want the

1058
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 6: economy to bend it their will. And let's look at

1059
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 6: their green new scam energy policies, right. We see again,

1060
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 6: under the Biden administration, electricity prices went up twenty percent,

1061
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 6: home heating oil went up seventy percent. We all remember

1062
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 6: the pain of five dollars gas under the Biden administration.

1063
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 6: And what Republicans, the President Trump is still climbing their

1064
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 6: way out of those failures, not only from not only

1065
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,479
Speaker 6: from energy prices, but from their tax prices there, from

1066
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 6: their spending. Everything they've done at the border they have

1067
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 6: to undo. And it's taking a little bit of time

1068
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 6: to get out of the whole of bidnomics, right.

1069
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it gets down to it in the same

1070
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: way that you can chart the crime statistics and the

1071
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 2: urban areas that are run by Democrats, they have a larger,

1072
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: they have worse crime.

1073
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just just the way it is.

1074
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: You have pro criminal policies, you have anti gun policies,

1075
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: it's going to lead to more crime in these areas.

1076
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Speaker 2: The same thing can be said about states where things

1077
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Speaker 2: like energy and gas prices are high. Gas prices are

1078
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Speaker 2: higher in Democrat run states, aren't they Well, they certainly are.

1079
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Speaker 6: I mean, let's look at where we are right now

1080
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Speaker 6: with gas prices. When when we're down to the national

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Speaker 6: average of a gallon of gases at two dollars and

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Speaker 6: seventy nine cents, this is the first time since May

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Speaker 6: of twenty twenty one that the national average has been

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Speaker 6: under three dollars. And to your exact point, if you

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Speaker 6: want to see what failed Democrat policies do, look at California.

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Speaker 2: What is their average right now?

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Speaker 6: It's four dollars and fifty one cents a gallon under

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Speaker 6: the failed policies of Gavin Newsom. All take that inexpensive

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Speaker 6: gas any day of the week over that.

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Speaker 2: No, without a doubt. I mean, these things matter, These

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Speaker 2: policies matter. You also, you go Hawaii is another prime

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Speaker 2: in the Hawaii's an island but still Democratic run high

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Speaker 2: prices there. You know Maryland certainly when you had the

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Speaker 2: gas tax rate hike. Here's the thing that gets me right, Kent.

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Speaker 2: And we're talking with Ken Strang. He's the managing director

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Speaker 2: of Americans for Prosperity in Virginia.

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Speaker 3: I know you talk about Chuck.

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Speaker 2: Schumer in New York and Chuck Schumer and the Senate,

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Speaker 2: But in Virginia, during the twenty twenty five gubernatorial campaign,

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Speaker 2: Abby Spanberger ran on this platform of pushing back against you,

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Speaker 2: talking about affordability and essentially trying to blame the Virginian's

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Speaker 2: affordability crisis on Donald Trump and Republicans. And yet so

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Speaker 2: much of this is due to democratic policies.

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Speaker 3: I'll add to what you said earlier.

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Speaker 2: You know, our colleagues, whether it's at sea, pack are

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Speaker 2: Americans for Prosperity, mercadis wherever CEI. We know that regulatory

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Speaker 2: costs almost doubled in the four years of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: It went up to almost four trillion dollars annually. That

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Speaker 2: has an effect on affordability, doesn't it?

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Speaker 6: It certainly does, And I think it's really critical for

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Speaker 6: President Trump and the Republican Conference to take the affordability

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Speaker 6: stuff very seriously, and I think they need to do

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Speaker 6: two things. Number one is they need to talk about

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Speaker 6: what they have already done. They made the twenty seventeen

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Speaker 6: tax cuts permanent, with the Working Family tax Cuts or

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Speaker 6: the One Big Beautiful Bill, whatever we want to call it.

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01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 6: That doubled the standard deduction, which is going to make

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01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 6: people's taxes easier. It lowered energy cost, expanded energy production.

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Speaker 6: It delivered long term certainty for small businesses one hundred

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Speaker 6: percent of depreciation for equipment, so businesses can reinvest, thrive, grow,

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Speaker 6: hire more people. It cut one and a half trillion

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Speaker 6: dollars in weights. But we can't just rest on our world.

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Speaker 6: They need to continue to go further to the regulatory point.

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Speaker 6: What Congress and President Trump should really be focused on

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Speaker 6: is permitting reform. There is so much red tape, There

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Speaker 6: are so many rules. It takes longer to get permits

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Speaker 6: for projects, and it does two actually build the project

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Speaker 6: right and so, and it's so important not only for housing,

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Speaker 6: it's important for energy transmission lines and to deliver energy

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Speaker 6: for Americans, but also it's for the AI rate that

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Speaker 6: if we want to compete with China and win the

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Speaker 6: AI rates and be the leaders of the next Internet,

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Speaker 6: the next wheel, the next industrial revolution. We need to

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Speaker 6: be able to have permitting or form to both get

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Speaker 6: those projects started. If we don't deal with the regulatory state,

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Speaker 6: the red tape, we're in.

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Speaker 2: Trouble, right. I mean, it's it's one of those things where,

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Speaker 2: you know, I had a conversation. One of the issues

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Speaker 2: I've dealt with in the past is shipping, ship repair,

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Speaker 2: and ship building. And there's been a movement over the

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Speaker 2: course of decades to offshore America's shipbuilding, and there are problems,

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Speaker 2: and we've got this, we got this Jones Act. We

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01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: can go back and forth about the logic of the

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Speaker 2: Jones Act, but the Jones Act was supposed to protect

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Speaker 2: American shipbuilding and American ship repair. I had a conversation

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Speaker 2: with somebody down near Newport News, Virginia, which is one

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Speaker 2: of one of the still one of the last remaining

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Speaker 2: big shipbuilding plants is factories, is shipyards, and they said

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Speaker 2: the number one problem that they have is permitting. You know,

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Speaker 2: if you can't build new shipbuilding and ship repair facilities

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Speaker 2: in the United States because it takes decades to get

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Speaker 2: the permitting done, it puts America at a fundamental disadvantage.

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Speaker 2: You're right, a whole host of things. If we want

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Speaker 2: to make sure that America can grow leaps and bounds

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Speaker 2: on the area of AI, and we want to make

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Speaker 2: sure that America's electricity isn't siphoned off for this, the

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Speaker 2: only way you can deal with it is by building

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Speaker 2: more coal fire power, changing the permitting for nuclear power

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Speaker 2: so that maybe some of these data processing facilities, these

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Speaker 2: data centers can have you know, nuclear reactors on site.

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Speaker 2: This is what you're talking about, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly what we're talking about, and it's across all

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Speaker 6: of our industry.

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Speaker 2: You were talking to shipbuilders.

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Speaker 6: I was in Louisiana a couple of weeks ago when

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Speaker 6: we were touring inland barges where they produced energy, and

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Speaker 6: we had a boat captain who had taken us inside

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Speaker 6: the Gulf of America and he showed us the facility

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Speaker 6: that was dead. It was it was gone, and weeds

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Speaker 6: were growing up. And we said, hey, what happened to this?

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Speaker 6: And we did not prompt our boat captain He said, oh,

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Speaker 6: permitting killed this one. The government led the facilities, and

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Speaker 6: it's a great example of like it. They could probably

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Speaker 6: restart it in a matter of or months. I don't

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01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 6: know exactly how long, but it's like when permitting becomes

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Speaker 6: the problem, so you can't build anything. Now. Congress has

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Speaker 6: been working on this. Just last week the House of

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Speaker 6: Representatives pass what's called the Speed Act, so they can

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Speaker 6: have very specific timelines on these things, like this is

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Speaker 6: how long it's going to take to get a permit,

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Speaker 6: this is how long you have to review all of

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Speaker 6: the legal challenges that can take place. Because of course,

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01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 6: we want it to be safe. We don't want to

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Speaker 6: destroy our environment or anything like that. We want projects

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Speaker 6: to be good and well thought out. But at the

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Speaker 6: same time, we need that sort of certainty around how

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Speaker 6: long projects will take. Hopefully the Senate picks that up

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Speaker 6: when they get into the twenty twenty six, but we

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Speaker 6: need permitting reform on a bunch of different fronts, whether

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Speaker 6: it's for shipbuilding or whether it's for delivering energy for

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Speaker 6: us to be competitive.

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Speaker 2: Cam before I let you go, because one of the

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Speaker 2: other great things that Americans for Prosperity has done, and

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Speaker 2: the website is Americans for Prosperity dot org.

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Speaker 3: It's and your Twitter handle.

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Speaker 2: Can for America. Am I right? That's right? Yeah, America.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about what they've done on the cafe standards,

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Speaker 2: a fuel economy standards, and making driving more affordable. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's not just gas prices, but the cost of cars

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Speaker 2: is going to start coming down, isn't it. That's right.

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Speaker 6: The President Biden set out a new standard during his

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Speaker 6: administration that was going to increase the number of miles

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Speaker 6: per gallon that new cars were required to do. President

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Speaker 6: and Trump came in and he rolled that back because

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01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 6: again President Biden wanted what he wanted to force everybody

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Speaker 6: into electric cars, and rather than letting the free market

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Speaker 6: choose the kind.

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Speaker 2: Of cars we want to drive, Biden and his.

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Speaker 6: Administration wanted to force it. President Trump administrations rolled that back,

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Speaker 6: and that's going to save the average American on a

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Speaker 6: new car over a thousand dollars. These are the kind

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Speaker 6: of things to put money back in americans pockets that

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Speaker 6: Republicans can continue to focus on. And let's show the

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Speaker 6: American people that these policies work, they make life more affordable,

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Speaker 6: and we move on from the failures of Biden outics.

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Speaker 2: Hold on for Selja Kenton, because you never By the way,

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Speaker 2: here's I don't know how much you do. You do

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Speaker 2: news Max every Thursday morning.

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Speaker 3: You never do.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much you do radio. But here's

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01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: here's something you should know about radio. Should never do

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Speaker 2: math on the air. I'm about to I'm about to

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Speaker 2: go and do some math on the air. Gas. You

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Speaker 2: said gas prices right now, we're two seventy nine a gallon.

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Speaker 2: That's right, all right, hold on for a second. So

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Speaker 2: so so at two seventy nine a gallon, that savings

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Speaker 2: of one thousand dollars on the cost of a car

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Speaker 2: would right now buy you three hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 2: gallons of gas. I'm here. You know that's almost a

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Speaker 2: full year's worth of gas. You beginning for free. I

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Speaker 2: mean that's I mean these we have to be putting

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Speaker 2: these things in real world terms, don't we.

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Speaker 6: That's right, And I think that's what's so important for

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Speaker 6: conservatives to president to do right now, it's put us

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Speaker 6: in real terms. Let's talk about how tax cuts save

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Speaker 6: people money.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 6: If Democrats had their way, we would be facing the

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Speaker 6: biggest taxic in American history. The one big, beautiful bill

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Speaker 6: will save Americans over fifteen hundred dollars on average. Policies

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 6: like lower gas prices save Americans. Removing cafe standards save Americans.

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Speaker 6: Unleashing American energy, We'll save Americans money. Let's continue to

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01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 6: tell that story so people people feel it and we

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Speaker 6: don't just have to talk to him about it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, Kent listen, Thank you so very much.

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Speaker 2: As his his ax handle is Kent for America, Ken

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Speaker 2: Strang from Americans for Prosperity. Thank you so very much

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Speaker 2: for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk a little bit more about affordability in

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Speaker 2: a moment. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: By the way, uh talking with Landing off the air

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Speaker 2: about Tony and I'm having a Christmas land and that

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Speaker 2: Tony would be proud of. I'm not. I'm making making

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Speaker 2: two different cuts of beef for for making doing making

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Speaker 2: a try tip and doing a boneless rib roast.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited about this.

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Speaker 2: That's nothing I'm sure I love. Oh yeah, he would,

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Speaker 2: he would absolutely do that. I don't know. I got

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Speaker 2: to talk to him. I don't know if he's ever

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Speaker 2: done on his E Drink smoke show. I'm not even

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Speaker 2: sure we're allowed to talk about it. But I will.

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Speaker 3: I I've fat washed some bourbon.

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Speaker 2: I know, have you've ever heard about this, But that's

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Speaker 2: where you essentially of you steep some kind of flavorful fat.

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Speaker 2: In this case, I did a bacon a bacon bourbon,

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Speaker 2: and I also did a peanut butter bourbon based upon

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Speaker 2: something that I'd seen on it.

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Speaker 3: Both both of.

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Speaker 2: Them were really good. That sounds awesome on you about

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Speaker 2: these things.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, I want to just stick.

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Speaker 2: A pin in this right now, this issue of the

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Speaker 2: economy and affordability. Here is Kevin Hassett on the National

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Speaker 2: Council of Economics. Here he is on face the nation

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Speaker 2: talking about the terrificial let's play cut number twenty four.

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Speaker 8: I think that most of the tariffs that we passed

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Speaker 8: this year have proven their metal. We've got still high growth,

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Speaker 8: which people said we couldn't if we had tariffs. We

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Speaker 8: have reduction in the deficit, reduction in the trade deficit.

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Speaker 8: Imparts from China are the lowest they've been since China

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Speaker 8: entered the WTO. So there's a lot of success to

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Speaker 8: crow about in the terriffs. But there are also things

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Speaker 8: that we're hearing when we talk to people, like trading

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Speaker 8: partners and companies that trade a lot in the US.

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Speaker 5: There are also things.

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Speaker 8: That maybe could be adjusted. You saw that we decided

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Speaker 8: to exempt coffee, for example, because we don't make a

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Speaker 8: lot of coffee in the US. And I think that

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Speaker 8: if there's something that's not made in the US at all,

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Speaker 8: that there's an appetite and Jamison Greer is leading the

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Speaker 8: effort to study in these matters, there's an appetite to

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Speaker 8: exempt things if they're really not meant.

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Speaker 5: To be made in the US, because we can.

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Speaker 3: End it there.

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Speaker 2: And here's the thing, right, I mean, you know to

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Speaker 2: hear Steve Forbes talk about it, not Steve Moore, but

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Speaker 2: Steve Forbes. The issue, you know, in flation gets caused

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Speaker 2: by monetary policy. There are a lot of things that's

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Speaker 2: very complex. What goes into it. Now, I'm someone who

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Speaker 2: had predicted that the tariffs were not going to really

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Speaker 2: blunt our economic growth because at the same time, for me,

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Speaker 2: you know the adage show, when your hammer everything looks

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Speaker 2: like a nail. I view things in terms of the

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Speaker 2: issue of regulation and regulatory cost. And so if the

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Speaker 2: tariffs we're going to quote unquote cost the American economy

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Speaker 2: six hundred billion dollars annually. Well, they would be offset

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Speaker 2: by the idea of not raising our regulatory costs by

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Speaker 2: six billion dollars annually. Right, That's that's sort of a

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Speaker 2: zero sum game there. I had this conversation with Steve

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Speaker 2: Moore about this a while ago, the issue of how

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Speaker 2: regulatory changes, and that's there has been a regulatory posture

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Speaker 2: just we're just talking about this with with the Kent.

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Speaker 2: You know, the issue of if you if you shrink

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Speaker 2: the size and scope of regulations, or at the very

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Speaker 2: least you don't grow regulations, that produces economic benefit. If

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Speaker 2: you engage in permitting reform, it produces an economic benefit.

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Speaker 2: What we need to be striving for next is certainty.

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Speaker 3: This is the issue that we need.

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Speaker 2: To deal with.

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Speaker 3: So the next day I'm speaking of certainty.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be joined by Tom Shatz, Citizens against

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Speaker 2: Government Ways to talk about Medicare and Medicaid and more.

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Speaker 1: Epstein line from the Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 1: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: Well, hey, everybody, it is Tony Katz today. I am

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Speaker 2: Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz, in for Tony today,

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Speaker 2: in for Tony tomorrow. Is he takes a couple of

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Speaker 2: days off to observe fest of Us, the festive us

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Speaker 2: for the rest of us. I'm sure he is airing

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Speaker 2: his grievances. I know I'm going to be airing my grievance. Really,

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Speaker 2: isn't that what this is all about? Airing grievances here

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Speaker 2: on the day? Isn't everyday fest of Us here on

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today. Listen if you like what you hear.

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Speaker 2: I do a weekly show for the Federal Newswire called

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Speaker 2: The Lunch Hour. It's a deep dive into public policy

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Speaker 2: issues at the Lunch Hour pod on X is how

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Speaker 2: you if you follow me on on X and you

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Speaker 2: should be following me on X at Andrew Underscore, Langer,

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Speaker 2: l A, n G E. Are you get it all?

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Speaker 2: Because I retweet, we get a little clips of my

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Speaker 2: interviews that go out there I do. I do a

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Speaker 2: fair amount of radio film work in for Tony Today

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Speaker 2: and tomorrow in another station next week for a couple

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Speaker 2: of days. But the Lunch Hour stuff. I do a

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Speaker 2: podcast nominally with my buddy Jerry Rodgers, the editor of

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Speaker 2: Real Clear Policy. You've heard him on these airwaves before,

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Speaker 2: So go and check us out there.

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Speaker 3: I would.

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Speaker 2: I would appreciate it thaoroughly. You can message me Facebook

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Speaker 2: dot com slash Andrew Langer Show, I want to go here.

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Speaker 2: So do a lot of radio in and around DC.

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Speaker 2: Occasionally we'll we'll go to the Kennedy Center if you

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Speaker 2: haven't been to DC before. The Kennedy Center is this

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Speaker 2: gorgeous building on the Potomac River. It is a essentially

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Speaker 2: a national performing arts center named for On Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior. No, no,

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Speaker 2: John John Fitzgerald Kennedy JFK Junior or someone else. Entirely,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for that name for JFK. And

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Speaker 2: you know, it's a it's a great venue. It's under

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Speaker 2: new leadership now and they've done some terrific things in

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Speaker 2: terms of not just programming, but sort of expanding the

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Speaker 2: opportunities there. Well, last week the board of the Kennedy

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Speaker 2: Center voted to expand the name of it, and and

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Speaker 2: as you can imagine, folks are not happy that it

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Speaker 2: is now going to be known as the Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: Kennedy Center for Performing Arts. People are very very angry

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Speaker 2: about this. And it's funny because a couple of weeks

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Speaker 2: ago something similar happened with the US Institutes for Peace,

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Speaker 2: And you know, I talked about the hue and cry

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Speaker 2: that was going to emerge from the Foreign Service crowd

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Speaker 2: over that. But yes, like everything else, I don't particularly

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Speaker 2: care one way or the other. I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day that really the name

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Speaker 2: of the Kennedy Center can only really be changed by Congress.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure the board has the authority to do that.

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Speaker 2: But as far as sort of abuses of power, this

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Speaker 2: is a tempest in a teapot. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of this is to get Donald Trump's way of just

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01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 2: sort of poking the bear to see what they're going

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Speaker 2: to do next, in the same way, right that the

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Speaker 2: left spent years during the Biden administration renaming military bases

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Speaker 2: only to have those names turned back. So but you

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Speaker 2: would think, you would literally think that the sky is

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Speaker 2: falling with this. Here is Jim Acosta, formerly of CNN,

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Speaker 2: now a broadcaster, Jim Acosta. Well, he claims that this

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Speaker 2: is no joke, guys, no Joe, here's no joke, folks.

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Speaker 2: He claims this is vandalism. Let's play at number seventeen.

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Speaker 16: Well, here we are at the scene of yet another

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Speaker 16: crime committed by Donald Trump. He has vandalized the Kennedy

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Speaker 16: Center by putting his name on it, and he just

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Speaker 16: needs to understand that. First of all, he can't do

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Speaker 16: this single handedly. Only Congress can authorize a change of

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Speaker 16: name to the Kennedy Center. But yet he doesn't care

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Speaker 16: about the law. He doesn't care what is appropriate. He's

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Speaker 16: gone and vandalized the Kennedy Center, which is we should

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Speaker 16: note the John F. Kennedy Memorial Center for the Performing Arts.

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Speaker 16: It was named after President Kennedy after he was assassinated.

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Speaker 16: Donald Trump should show some respect for that. But of

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Speaker 16: course he doesn't do that. And this is what needs

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Speaker 16: to be said. We the American people are not going

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Speaker 16: to call the Kennedy Center the Trump Kennedy Center, just

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Speaker 16: like we're not going to call the Department of Defense

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Speaker 16: the Department of War, or the Gulf of Mexico the

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Speaker 16: Gulf of America. We, the sane, rational American people are

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Speaker 16: not going to go along with that. So Trump can

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Speaker 16: act like a child, he can be a vandal put

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Speaker 16: his name up on all of these buildings.

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Speaker 2: Well, suck, I will get it there.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I just want to be really clear about this. So

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Speaker 2: the president of the United States going and having the

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Speaker 2: building renamed and going through the process. It's not like

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Speaker 2: he went over there with a can of spray paid

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Speaker 2: and spray paint, did his name and huge scroll, which

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Speaker 2: is the very definition of vandalism. He's gone through the

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Speaker 2: process of actually going out there the board and it

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Speaker 2: wasn't even Trump, it was the board of the Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 2: Know whether or not they did it because he asked

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Speaker 2: them to, I don't know. Again, I don't care, But

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Speaker 2: obviously you know there was a procedure internally that was

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Speaker 2: being handled to go and do this. So so Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump doing this is childish and and rational American people

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Speaker 2: are not going to call it the Trump Senator. You know,

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Speaker 2: rational people, they're not going to call They're not going

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Speaker 2: to call the Department of War the Department War. They're

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Speaker 2: going to still call the d D. Rational people are

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Speaker 2: going to call it the Gulf of Mexico. That that's

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Speaker 2: what rational people do. But when a president or when

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Speaker 2: a facility goes through their internal channels to go and

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Speaker 2: do a formal name change, and they go and they

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Speaker 2: actually get lettering to put up there, that's vandalism. And

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Speaker 2: to call it vandalism, that's somehow not childish and rational.

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Speaker 2: Just as long as I'm tracking here, because you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a constantly shifting metric by what's rational at what's irrational,

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Speaker 2: at what's childish and what's not childish?

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 2: So that's Jim Jim Acosta's take on this situation. It

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Speaker 2: gets better. So Senator Van Holland, Chris van Holland, who

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Speaker 2: is the senior Senator from the great state of Maryland.

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Speaker 3: Chris van Holland, he was down there.

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Speaker 2: I guess there was some kind of big rally, big

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Speaker 2: big protest down there. He is, he had something to

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Speaker 2: say about this. Let's hear what the Senator Van hall

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Speaker 2: is a kind number eighteen.

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Speaker 17: Look, all of us watched in harm yesterday as Donald

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Speaker 17: Trump put his name on the Kennedy Center next to

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Speaker 17: the name of John F.

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Speaker 5: Kennedy.

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Speaker 17: Oh my god, and we are here to say that

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Speaker 17: this desecration.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh my god, it's there. It's horrifying desecration. It'

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Speaker 2: store and Staby, there's a building, and it's a building

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Speaker 2: where people do ballet. How dare how dare Donald Trump

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01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 2: do this? It's a horrifying vandalism, desecration. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: not like listen, there is a very solemn memorial to

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Speaker 2: John F. Kennedy, who, by the way, would not he

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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 2: would be horrified at what the Democratic Party was turned into.

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Speaker 2: He would just be horrified. He would he would have

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Speaker 2: John F. Kennedy's viewpoints of the world, whether it's his

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Speaker 2: ardent anti communism viewpoints or or his pro tax I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry it's anti tax, pro tax reform, his pro charity

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Speaker 2: positions on things, they would have no place in the

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Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party today. That being said, there is

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Speaker 2: a wonderfully solemn memorial to jfk over at Arlington National Cemetery, which,

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01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 2: by the way, the Democrats want to fundamentally change memorials

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Speaker 2: over at Arlington. So you know, we talk about sort

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Speaker 2: of the issue of desecration and disrespect, but you know

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Speaker 2: we are Donald Trump isn't doing anything with that. M

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Speaker 2: Kennedy Center board is doing nothing with with that. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you have the Center for the Performing Arts. Then I

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Speaker 2: suppose if what they're going down to is if I

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Speaker 2: bet the way the congressional legislation is written is that

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Speaker 2: you can't take John F. Kennedy's name off of the

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Speaker 2: Kennedy Center. And I think that doesn't mean you can't

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Speaker 2: add a name to it. Again, it's more or less

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01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 2: a tempest in a teapot here. I want to continue

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01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 2: with this in terms of the hysteria. It's horrifying, horrifying desecration.

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Speaker 2: Rosie O'Donnell. Of course she's gotten into it.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize she was.

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Speaker 2: She was still watching what was happening in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Let's play at number.

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Speaker 5: Nineteen, the Kennedy Center debacle.

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Speaker 2: It's a debacle.

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Speaker 5: It has gone too far.

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01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 3: It's too far.

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01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: This is too far.

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01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 5: Is seriously unwell. It needs to be removed from office.

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01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:38,560
Speaker 2: Oh, it needs to be removed from office. It it

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Speaker 2: negative energy. Oh yes, the blob of negative energy is desecrated.

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Speaker 3: This thing.

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Speaker 2: P Oh my god, I mean it is. It is

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Speaker 2: amazing it. It is amazing to me. She is amazing

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Speaker 2: to me. Finally, here's a guy that don't have his

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Speaker 2: name here in front of me, but he was a

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Speaker 2: protester at this Chris van Holland event. He apparently he's

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Speaker 2: Folks pointed out that this guy has been at a

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Speaker 2: bunch of different Democratic protests in the DC area, most

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Speaker 2: notably protesting the Trump administration's aggressive pursuit of MS thirteen,

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Speaker 2: the violent illegal immigrant gang. And in the same way

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Speaker 2: that Rosie O'Donnell said that it was a step too far,

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Speaker 2: here's what this DC resident claims. Let's play at number twenty.

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Speaker 2: I reeling like democracy died today.

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Speaker 18: This is history happening today, and we should all be shocked,

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01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 18: shocked that a bellon, a convicted felon and a thug,

1505
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 18: and by all means a gritter, has just stuck his

1506
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 18: name on top of a national monument.

1507
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: This is a desecration. No, it's a desecration. I mean

1508
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,639
Speaker 2: it's one of those things. I used to have a bell,

1509
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 2: like like a hotel, you know, desk bell where you

1510
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: go ding ding ding. My dad is probably listening now.

1511
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: You hated it when we would use the bell. It

1512
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: was it was an affectation that I pulled from one

1513
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: of my great radio heroes, and the bell had been

1514
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: given to me by somebody else, a great hero of

1515
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 2: mine and radio. But you go through what that residence said.

1516
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we do be very real quick

1517
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 2: because I know we're up up on a break. Here,

1518
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: go ahead, Land and play that one more time and

1519
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 2: I'll say ding when when he hits all the bells,

1520
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: go ahead and play at twenty and feeling like democracy died.

1521
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 18: This is dan history happening today and we should all

1522
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 18: be shocked.

1523
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: Shocked.

1524
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 18: Thing a bellon, a king did felon, and a thing

1525
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 18: and by all means a grifter thing stuck his name

1526
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 18: on top of ant.

1527
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: She hits money, hits all of it. I mean, it

1528
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 2: really is a multi we get ended there, we get

1529
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: into the ding on, the destigration. It's a it's a

1530
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: multi effected there. He's a grifter, he's a thug. It's

1531
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: horrified democracy has died. Blah blah blah. I mean literally,

1532
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,640
Speaker 2: it's like, guys, you need some new words here, you do.

1533
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: You need a musician's thesaurus, you know, a lyricists thesaurus.

1534
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: Can I say that words lyricists thesaurus to go through

1535
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 2: and find some new words. Anyway, in a couple of minutes,

1536
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 2: we're going to start talking. We'll talk a little bit

1537
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: about the Epstein document release. I'm Andrew langer In for

1538
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. We are back, everybody. I am Andrew

1539
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 2: langer In for Tony Katz today. So obviously, one of

1540
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 2: the things that happened on Friday, is that DJ started

1541
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 2: to release the Epstein files after the piece of congressional legislation,

1542
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 2: and you're like everything else. I mean, you could have

1543
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 2: predicted this that the pro police folks were going to

1544
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 2: be like, oh, this is not good enough. It's never

1545
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 2: good enough. We knew that was going to happen. There

1546
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 2: are lots of redactions in there, lots of complaints about it,

1547
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and so on and so forth, and guys, listen,

1548
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, this is pretty much

1549
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 2: as we could have predicted it was going to go.

1550
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 2: A lot of nothing, a lot of reinforcement about Democrats

1551
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 2: and democrats involvement in in Epstein War Old, lots of

1552
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 2: folks not talking about it, but they're you know, they're

1553
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 2: putting this stuff out in dribs and drabs with a

1554
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 2: lot of reactions. I think as a massive ropodobe to

1555
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: the folks who want to still hammer on this. Right,

1556
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 2: if they're going to still hammer on it every time

1557
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 2: something else comes down and it doesn't go their way,

1558
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 2: it just sort of blends into the noise. I will

1559
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 2: say this much, you want to get sucked into a

1560
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. They're the the original sort of transion of

1561
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 2: emails that was out there has been put up at

1562
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 2: something called jmail dot world, like for Jeffrey Epstein instead

1563
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 2: of Gmail.

1564
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 3: They have essentially.

1565
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 2: Flashed his emails into what looks like a Gmail account

1566
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: and they call it jmail. And you really do get

1567
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 2: sucked down a rabbit hole here because you come to

1568
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 2: find out that at the end of the day, like

1569
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 2: some of his most prominent friends were Democrats, Larry Summers Democrat.

1570
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 3: Or liberal.

1571
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: Democrat I'm sorry, Democrat Larry Summer's Democrat, Bill Clinton, Liberal

1572
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 2: stalwarts Noam Chomsky, and progressive Prime Minister of Israel Ahood Barack.

1573
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really kind of creepy just how involved

1574
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 2: these guys were. Barack Obama senior DJ official here and so,

1575
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that came out was

1576
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 2: a picture of Bill Clinton in a jacuzzie pool or

1577
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: some kind of small pool with Julane Maxwell and someone

1578
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 2: whose face was blacked out. You know, they black out

1579
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: pictures like that because the folks are supposed to be underage,

1580
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 2: unlike when they put up the picture of Bill Clinton

1581
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 2: last week under Bill Clinton Donald Trump last week, in

1582
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: which it was a picture of him with Miss Universe

1583
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 2: pageant members, and so there was nothing wrong with that

1584
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 2: picture anyway. Asked about the the the Clinton picture, Congressman

1585
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 2: Jamie rask And I love talking to Jimmie Raskin because

1586
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 2: he's a Maryland guy. He's just outside of DC. He

1587
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 2: is supposed to be a constitutional scholar. But all Evans

1588
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: seems to indicate otherwise. Well, he was asked about this,

1589
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 2: and he had a fascinating deflection. Let's play out number fourteen.

1590
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 19: Did see we're a number of pictures of former President

1591
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 19: Bill Clinton with Jeffrey Epstein, with Colleene Maxwell in a jacuzzi,

1592
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 19: swimming in a pool. How do you explain that connection?

1593
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 19: And are you comfortable with it?

1594
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I have no idea.

1595
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 20: This is why we want to get to the bottom

1596
01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 20: of it and get all of the facts out to

1597
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 20: the public. I mean, that's what this is about. And

1598
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 20: you know, look, there are clearly lots of people that

1599
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 20: are in photographs with Jeffrey Epstein. And in addition to

1600
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 20: being a child sex predator and an international chot sex

1601
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 20: abuse trafficker, he was very much of.

1602
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: A a socialite.

1603
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 3: He was very much of a socialite.

1604
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, because you know all politicians, you know,

1605
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 2: it's so funny.

1606
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 3: There's a guy named Steve Stockman.

1607
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,799
Speaker 2: Who was a member of Congress from from from Texas

1608
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: and then he was convicted in a variety of crimes.

1609
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,759
Speaker 2: He may be running for Congress again. He was famous

1610
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 2: for his hot tub parties at various conservative conferences. But

1611
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: the point is, this is how Jamie Raskin is dismissing

1612
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 2: this picture of Bill Clinton in a pool with Julane

1613
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:38,520
Speaker 2: Maxwell and someone who was most likely underage or allegedly underage.

1614
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,879
Speaker 2: We're going to jump down to number sixteen. Here Landon.

1615
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 2: Here is Scott Jennings on CNN talking about how they

1616
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: probably should rename this scandal. Let's go ahead and play sixteen.

1617
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 5: Please.

1618
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 21: They've released how many documents to night? Two hundred thousand,

1619
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 21: more four hundreds, So a good faith effort is being

1620
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 21: made to.

1621
01:28:58,680 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 2: Release files tonight.

1622
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 21: They're obviously doing that, and I think as it relates

1623
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 21: to redactions, I mean, my impression is is that there's

1624
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 21: a whole lot of names of victims in there, and

1625
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 21: miners and other people that you probably wouldn't want.

1626
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,520
Speaker 3: To release, and they do need to be redacted.

1627
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 21: Regarding Bill Clinton, I'm sorry to tell you the reason

1628
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 21: that Bill Clinton's pictures in the Epstein files is because

1629
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 21: this has always been a story about Bill.

1630
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: Clinton and not Donald Trump. We should call it the

1631
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 2: Clinton files, not the Epstein files. That's what we're learning tonight.

1632
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: This is the Clinton files. This is the blowing up

1633
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: in the face of the Democrats over this.

1634
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 10: It's Bill Clinton.

1635
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 21: This is a story about Democrats and Bill Clinton.

1636
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 2: The pictures of Donald Trump with Epstein, so that that.

1637
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:40,919
Speaker 3: Got them very angry.

1638
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 2: The other members of the panel at CNN when Scott

1639
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 2: Jennings dared suggest that, and again you you talk about

1640
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 2: this and timelines are important. Tying things together is vitally important.

1641
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Here is Scott Jennings tying two very pertinent pieces of

1642
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 2: information together. Let's play cut number fifteen.

1643
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 5: Nineteen ninety six.

1644
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 22: This man was abusing the law and the FBI did nothing.

1645
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 10: That should be what is most upsetting.

1646
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 22: And while the victims may not want their name, it

1647
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 22: doesn't matter, It does not matter I'm talking about I'm

1648
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 22: not on any side. I feel like it's disgusting. Wait

1649
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 22: till twenty twenty five, well and said decades after she lifted,

1650
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 22: and we are still protecting this man like we're still

1651
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 22: pointing fingers.

1652
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 2: He's have you got even life? It stopped to go ahead,

1653
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 2: we can win it there. So the point is this

1654
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 2: leftist democratic pundit on CNN. It's like, oh, you know

1655
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: he was in nineteen ninety six, he was abusing the system.

1656
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Scott Jennings points up, well, who was president of the

1657
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 2: United States, and oh, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Move

1658
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 2: I'll move on already, move on already, dot org, move on,

1659
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 2: dot org, move on already.

1660
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 3: From that, it doesn't matter. Yes, of course it matters.

1661
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: As Scott Jennings then points out, perhaps he was being

1662
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 2: protected in nineteen nine tinety six because because Bill Clinton

1663
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 2: was president of the United States, and Bill Clinton figures prominently,

1664
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton hangers on and allies figure prominently in this

1665
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 2: Larry Summers, I'm suck all figure prominently in these files.

1666
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: And it's not as though Bill Clinton didn't use and

1667
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 2: try to influence the justice system to his advantage and

1668
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 2: to the advantage of his allies. Remember it was in

1669
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 2: the summer of twenty sixteen that Bill Clinton meant with

1670
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 2: the then Attorney General of the United States, Laura Lynch,

1671
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: in a secret meeting, and what happened, his wife was

1672
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:46,719
Speaker 2: let off the hook, and they immediately started investigating Ronald

1673
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 2: Trump after that meeting, I'm Andrew Lanker. When we come

1674
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,040
Speaker 2: back Tom Shatz from c AGW sys toy Cats today,

1675
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 2: So we're waiting to get Tom Shatz from Citizens Against

1676
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 2: Government Waste on Tom to talk about CMMI, the Center

1677
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, and this healthcare issue is

1678
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 2: an important one and it's one that's so funny. I

1679
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: just pulled up this, this, this, uh, these clips, but

1680
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 2: we may not even use them right now, ended, because

1681
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to pontificate for a second. It's near and

1682
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 2: dear to my heart. As I said, guys, I do

1683
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 2: wear I wear two hats in my in my policy work,

1684
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 2: I do regulatory policy for SEAPACK, which means that I'm

1685
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 2: looking at what the administration is offering up changes to

1686
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 2: rules and regulations on how offer comments on them. I

1687
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 2: also do health care policy, which is uh, you know,

1688
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 2: focusing on on where we've gone wrong in America and

1689
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 2: how to actually make healthcare more affordable because there's a

1690
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 2: lot that we get wrong, starting with the idea that

1691
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 2: we focus on it as an insurance issue. America does

1692
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: not have an insurance issue. Besides the fact that what

1693
01:32:55,200 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: we call health insurance really isn't insurance at all. What

1694
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 2: it is is a cost sharing mechanism that that is

1695
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 2: not like other kinds of insurance. Right, insurance using air quotes,

1696
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 2: you can't see it because it's radio insurance is supposed

1697
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 2: to be used in catastrophic or emergency events. Right, we

1698
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 2: have homeowners insurance, flood insurance, fire, et cetera. For home

1699
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 2: gets flooded, dear home has a fire blah blah blah.

1700
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 2: Renders insurance the same kind of a thing. Car insurance.

1701
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 2: You don't use your car insurance to get your annual

1702
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 2: tune up or to get your oil changed. If you did, right,

1703
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 2: that would make it that much more expensive, you know

1704
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 2: it would. It's it's interesting. Obviously auto insurance the rates

1705
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 2: change depending on what kind of car you have and

1706
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 2: how old, et cetera. But they would really drill down

1707
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 2: a lot more deeply if you're using it for sort

1708
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: of regular maintenance. Here for some folks, it just it

1709
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 2: just costs more. The other part of it is that

1710
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 2: when it comes to things like auto insurance, or even

1711
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 2: when it comes to things like other cost sharing mechanisms. Right,

1712
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 2: what we have in terms of health insurance is really

1713
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 2: like a costco or Sam's Club membership.

1714
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to denigrate it, and just.

1715
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 2: Trying to distill it down into a very simple way

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Speaker 2: of looking at things.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you the idea of a costco.

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Speaker 2: Membership is that you are you are benefiting from the

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Speaker 2: mass purchasing and buying in bulk. Uh. You know, you're

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01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 2: you're you're going and you're you're sharing the cost of

1721
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 2: of lots of large parcels of toilet paper or or

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01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 2: paper towels or whatever. And so when when costco, when

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01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 2: Sam's Club starts running out of paper towels, or when

1724
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 2: they start running out of beef, or when they start

1725
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 2: running out of whatever it is that you're buying in bulk,

1726
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 2: or that other folks are buying as well, they could

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01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: go to the manufacturer and distributor and ask for more.

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01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:02,560
Speaker 2: The problem is that when we're talking about healthcare, I

1729
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 2: mean some of it is an actual widget in the

1730
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,440
Speaker 2: way that other things are widgets, right, you know, like medicine.

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01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 2: You know, we can make more medicine when we can

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Speaker 2: get into pharmaceuticals for named brands versus Generics, or our

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01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 2: good friend Scotti Hughes may come on tomorrow and we

1734
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,600
Speaker 2: may ask her about Generics. But you know, at the

1735
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 2: end of the day, the real widget is time and access.

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01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 2: It's the amount of time that you spend in front

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01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,959
Speaker 2: of a healthcare provider. That's what's important, right And generally

1738
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 2: a primary care provider, an intern is to family physician,

1739
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 2: a pediatrician. And the problem, of course, is is that

1740
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 2: time is fundamentally finite, and we have a declining number

1741
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 2: of those medical care providers. So as I used to

1742
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 2: say fifteen to twenty years ago, we could offer everybody

1743
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 2: in America Andrew Lang your insurance Andrew Langer Health Insurance,

1744
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 2: you know, put it up on the exchange, and I

1745
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 2: could say that you're fully covered.

1746
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 3: And as I used to talk to audiences, I was like,

1747
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 3: but you.

1748
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,799
Speaker 2: All know that it's it's valueless, and they would all agree,

1749
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 2: And I said, why because I can't provide you the

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01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 2: service that I'm promising to you. You know, this was

1751
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 2: the great lie of Obamacare. It wasn't It wasn't. You know,

1752
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 2: if you like your doctor, you could keep your doctor.

1753
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 2: If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.

1754
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean, those were lies, obviously, but the big lie

1755
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 2: was that they were solving some kind of problem and

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01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: what they were doing was actually going to reduce the

1757
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 2: cost of healthcare to make it more affordable, as in

1758
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act. Right, That's that's the lie. But

1759
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 2: in no economic system can you increase the demand for

1760
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 2: the good?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 2: Remember the widget the good is the amount of time

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01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 2: someone can spend in front of a medical provider. Increased

1764
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 2: demand by twenty percent. That was the goal of the

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01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 2: Affordable Care Act, was to increase that demand while you

1766
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 2: have a decreasing supply. You know, every year more and

1767
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 2: more doctors and nurses and physicians assistants are getting out

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01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 2: of the practice of medicine. When those two things happen,

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01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: demand goes up and supply goes down, you cannot make

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01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 2: something more affordable. And when you try to artificially make

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01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 2: it more affordable by artificially pushing down prices, what happens, Well,

1772
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:39,800
Speaker 2: the supply curve, it steepens, the decline steepens. People get

1773
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 2: out faster, they can't recoup their investments, they're getting burned out.

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01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 2: They are a whole host of things that are happening there.

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01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 3: Now again I'm.

1776
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,719
Speaker 2: Distilling this down to the most basic thing. I could

1777
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 2: talk much much more generally about this, or I'm sorry,

1778
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 2: much much more specifically about this. But we knew when

1779
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Speaker 2: the Affordable Character, I knew when the Affordable Character was

1780
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: being passed that this was what was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: That there was no possible way for them to make

1782
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 2: health insurance, let alone healthcare, more affordable, not without these

1783
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 2: massive machinations. And what Tom Shafts was going to come

1784
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 2: on and talk about was this thing called the Center

1785
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 2: for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation, And this was sort of

1786
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:24,520
Speaker 2: a government sponsored think tank under the Affordable Care Act CMMI,

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01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 2: whose goal was to find ways to examine solutions that

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01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 2: would make medicare and medical that would innovate Medicare and

1789
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Medicaid and thus make them more affordable for people, save

1790
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 2: billions of dollars. When it was created, it was it

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01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 2: was it was scored, which is the way that they

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01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 2: do it in DC. It was scored as a revenue saver. So,

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01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, Tom Shatz, we were at a meeting a

1794
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago and I did just did a

1795
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 2: podcast with him, podcast I think came out last week

1796
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 2: and go check it out. Maybe that's what we should

1797
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:04,680
Speaker 2: have done, land that I should have played bits of

1798
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 2: the podcast. Last week's episode of the Lunch Hour Federal Newswire,

1799
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 2: Tom came on and talked about about these issues and

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01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 2: about how this Center for Medicare and Medicaid innovation has

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01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 2: not only not saved the American taxpayer money, it has

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01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 2: cost the American taxpayer money. And so I met a

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01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 2: meeting a couple of weeks ago with one of Tom's colleagues,

1804
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 2: gun named Eric Mouse. M a us Eric Mouse, and

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01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 2: Eric said something which stunned me. You know, we spent

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01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 2: a lot of time in conservative circles talking about CBO,

1807
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: the Congressional Budget Office. We talk about tax issues and

1808
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 2: how they misscore tax issues. I talk a little bit

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01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 2: about how they score a regulatory reform issues. And Eric Mouse,

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01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 2: who works with Tom at CGW, said to me, is like, Andrew, yeah,

1811
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 2: you know, if we were gonna change the law and

1812
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 2: there's going to be a there's going to be some

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01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 2: kind of healthcare package coming up, and let's say that

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01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 2: we were just to get rid of CMMI outright, because

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01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:09,680
Speaker 2: it spends billions of dollars. I mean, imagine this, Imagine

1816
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 2: that these are billions of dollars that could go to

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01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 2: cancer research, that could go to Actually, we're going to

1818
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 2: get to the fundamental issue that could go to dealing

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01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 2: with actually solving the we're helping to solve the crisis

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01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 2: of the number of doctors that we haven't need. And

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01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 2: Eric said to me, he goes, yeah. The problem, of

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01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 2: course is if we zeroed out CMMI, even though it's

1823
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 2: cost US billions of dollars as opposed to saved US

1824
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 2: billions of dollars, CBO would still score it negatively.

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01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:47,679
Speaker 3: They would, excuse me.

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01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 2: Still score it as adding to the federal budget because

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01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 2: at some point in time down the road, someone at

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01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 2: CMMI might come up with some kind of an innovation

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01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 2: that would save the American taxpayers money. Guys, that is

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01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 2: an insane way of doing business. It's like the line

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01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 2: from the movie Dave. If I did my books like this,

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01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 2: I'd be out of business. You know, We've got to

1833
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:14,640
Speaker 2: have fundamental reforms here so that when a project that

1834
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 2: has clearly wasted money over time it is proposed to

1835
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 2: zero it out, it is viewed for what it is,

1836
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Speaker 2: which is saving the American taxpayer billions of dollars.

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01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 3: And here's.

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Speaker 2: And you know something. Yeah, I'm gonna have to have

1839
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 2: to email time. He just texted me to say he

1840
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 2: could do it in ten minutes. Unfortunately we're out. Then

1841
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'll email him back in a second. I

1842
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 2: try not to get distracted land and by emails that

1843
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 2: come in. But the point is, at the end of

1844
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 2: the day, one of the things that we could do

1845
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 2: so we don't have enough medical schools, in medical school

1846
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 2: billets in America, and as a result, the cost of

1847
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 2: medical school is exorbitantly high. And I'm not saying we

1848
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 2: need to make medical school free, but I'm saying that

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01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 2: we need to be making more doctors, at the very

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01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 2: least in America, more doctors, more nurses and physicians' assistants.

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01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 2: The problem is even if we doubled, even if we

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01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 2: doubled the number of medical schools in America, the problem

1853
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 2: is that the graduate medical education, so called residency programs,

1854
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 2: that's what we all call them, residency programs. We have

1855
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 2: not changed the number of residency billets in America in

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01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 2: thirty years because unfortunately, those are funded with Medicare dollars. Now,

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01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 2: I would love to find a different way to fund them.

1858
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 2: But can you imagine if we took the billions that

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01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 2: we are wasting on CMMI and turn that over to

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01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 2: these medical residency programs so that we were able to

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01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 2: get more medical students, a create more medical students, but

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01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 2: get them the post medical school education that they need

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01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 2: to get out in the field. We might actually be

1864
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:56,719
Speaker 2: able to when combined with a whole host of other

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01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 2: mechanisms to create competition in medical care, we might actual

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01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 2: be able to solve some of this problem. And I'm

1867
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 2: not saying that my solution is the only solution. It's

1868
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 2: one of the great problems that we have on our side.

1869
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's a great, great,

1870
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 2: big step in the right direction. It's a basic resource

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01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 2: economics problem. Friends. Anyway, check out my interview with Tom Shatz.

1872
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 2: I may try to get him tomorrow for the show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Kats Today. Here, I'm

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz Today. Well, wow, guys, believe the show's almost

1875
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 2: over and this is crazy. Anyway, great show today. I'm

1876
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:37,640
Speaker 2: so glad I could join you and you can join me.

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01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today, Bob we

1878
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 2: back tomorrow. You can check me out at Andrew Underscore

1879
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 2: Langer on the Twitter machine going nice To'll call Twitter

1880
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Speaker 2: because I party like it's two thousand and nine. Go

1881
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Speaker 2: check me out there, Facebook dot Com, slash Andrew Langer

1882
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Speaker 2: Show if you want to leave me a message, but

1883
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Speaker 2: follow me. You get to find out everything that's going on.

1884
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:03,600
Speaker 2: So because I don't think it'll keep another day, obviously,

1885
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 2: a lot's happening this weekend. At the Turning Point USA

1886
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:10,639
Speaker 2: America Fest. One of the high points a certain guy

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01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 2: named Donald Trump Junior. You may have heard of him

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01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 2: as pro Father's President of the United States. He had

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Speaker 2: a special guest call in Let's play cut number five.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to call in a little guest.

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Speaker 8: He may not be here today, but I wanted to

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01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 8: make sure he had a chance to say Hi, mister President.

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Speaker 2: Everybody can you guys. I want to be with you,

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01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 2: but I'll be with you soon.

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Speaker 7: And I just want to say that nobody did more

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01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 7: for me than Charlie, and.

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Speaker 6: There's nobody better than Erica, and you are the greatest

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01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 6: people on earth.

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Speaker 2: We won in a landslide and We're going to continue

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Speaker 2: to do him and I just want to thank everybody.

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Speaker 3: So that was that was the president.

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01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,639
Speaker 2: He called Don Trump Junior called him on a seld

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01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 2: presumably I hope that cell number didn't get on the

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01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 2: air let's. But also other special guests. A rapper. Her

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01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 2: name is Nicki Minaj. You may have heard of her.

1906
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 2: She's probably the best selling female rap artist of all time.

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Speaker 2: She was there here is cut number six.

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Speaker 5: And what do you think about for young men? For

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01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 5: young men.

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Speaker 23: And for young men, don't be new scum. Yes see

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Speaker 23: they are young men. You have amazing role models.

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Speaker 5: Like our.

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Speaker 23: Handsome, dashing president, and you have amazing role models like

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Speaker 23: the assassin JD Van's our vice president.

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Speaker 5: Can I say that.

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Speaker 11: I trust me, there's nothing new under the sun that

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Speaker 11: I have not heard, so.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we did. I have no idea what they were

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01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,839
Speaker 2: saying saying in the background there, but clearly Nicki Minaj

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Speaker 2: has it has it big for Vice President Fance. So

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Speaker 2: there you go. An interesting repertoire at turning point, As

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01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 2: I said, I would have liked to have been there,

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01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:36,000
Speaker 2: but at being the end of the year and right

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01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 2: on Christmas time, it just could couldn't couldn't make it happen.

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01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 2: Maybe next year we will. We will try to, we

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01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 2: will try to make it out there. For this I

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Speaker 2: just very exciting and amazing to say the least. It's,

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Speaker 2: you know something. Don't talk more about this tomorrow. We

1929
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Speaker 2: got a big year coming up, guys. As I said

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Speaker 2: earlier on in the show, thank God it's and this

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Speaker 2: is not me sort of making some grandiose thing. I

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Speaker 2: just bless bless God that, thank God that Donald Trumps

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Speaker 2: president going into twenty twenty six, because there is so

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Speaker 2: much happening positive in America. We've got the two hundred

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Speaker 2: and fiftieth anniversary, we are getting ready to return to

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Speaker 2: manned spaceflight to the Moon, landing on the Moon. But

1937
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Speaker 2: really it's this issue of America. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the rest of you, but I came to a lot

1939
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Speaker 2: of my conservative beliefs because of the Bisentennial and learning

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Speaker 2: about America then who we are as a people, why

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Speaker 2: we broke off from England, and how our revolution continues

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Speaker 2: to today. And it's not Kamala Harris's or Tim Waltz's

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Speaker 2: version of the revolution, but a revolution grounded an individual

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Speaker 2: rights and making sure the government stays off the backs

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Speaker 2: of people you know, be able to spend a little

1946
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Speaker 2: time tomorrow talking about ken Burn's Revolutionary War series. In

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Speaker 2: any case, check me out at Andrew under score Langer

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Speaker 2: on Twitter. I am Andrew Langa. Thank you Landon for

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Speaker 2: producing today. Have a grand not everybody, have fun and

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Speaker 2: stay sacked.