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Speaker 2: The fan, Oh it's a big one in back.

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Speaker 3: I think that is Santino Ferrucci and that's big coming

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Speaker 2: Oh big, that is big.

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Speaker 3: It felt like that. It's been coming for a lap,

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Speaker 1: He does?

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Speaker 2: I think he's good. That sounded terminal for Panoa Warren.

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Speaker 2: You hear the engine, No drop terminal?

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Speaker 3: That's it?

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Speaker 1: Bero.

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Speaker 2: Oh captain, my captain? Dare you drop me? Dare you

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Speaker 2: get rid of.

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Speaker 4: The man who has led this tea year after year,

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Speaker 4: in the history of this series, who will win once again?

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Speaker 4: Will Power returns victory Lane and put Tenski back on the.

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Speaker 2: Top step of the podium. Good job boys, weekend, Very

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Speaker 2: good job, Burgo.

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Speaker 4: Jel and well, the day belongs to Pawa, The yea

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Speaker 4: belongs to Polo Alex. Polo is a four timed Indie

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Speaker 2: just looked it up. We're back to Tuesday coming up

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Speaker 2: next week on August nineteenth. My name is Kevin Leek

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis studio highlights. They will power win for Team Penske.

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Speaker 2: Will it be the last courtesy of Fox Sports and

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Speaker 2: a fourth championship in five years for Alex Polow Kurt

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Speaker 2: who somehow overcame his worst road course finish of the season.

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Speaker 1: Third kind of amazing. He's been this consistent and this

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Speaker 1: He he just continues to put a beat down on

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Speaker 1: Thank You's that was more eloquently said. This is not

435
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Speaker 1: a new problem.

436
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Speaker 2: But we didn't have dot com back in the day.

437
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: I know it's not ideal and we don't want to

438
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Speaker 2: be inconvenienced, but if we produce television, it is going

439
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 2: to be available on Foxsports dot com, and it's an

440
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Speaker 2: extra step. Some people don't have streaming television hooked up

441
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Speaker 2: to their TV, or maybe they don't do iPads or computers,

442
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: but if you really must see things, and by the way,

443
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: streaming is really the only way you're going to avoid

444
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: things because you're just not going to find the contract

445
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: that satisfies everyone. I see a lot of comments, oh,

446
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: it's so much better with peacock because we could do peacock.

447
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: That might be for some other people just refuse to

448
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: do streaming, can't figure it out, won't do it, or

449
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. But there at least is

450
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Speaker 2: that option if you are open to calling your grandkids

451
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, can you hook me up to the

452
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: internet box because the event I want to see is on.

453
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 2: They can probably talk you through that and you could

454
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Speaker 2: watch it on your phone or something else. Backup plan.

455
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: The entire race is posted free to YouTube the next

456
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Speaker 2: day if you were not watching it live and your

457
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Speaker 2: DVR did not catch it, and you are a super

458
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Speaker 2: hardcore fan like I am, I like to see all

459
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Speaker 2: of events. I will actually go back and watch something,

460
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Speaker 2: even when I know the outcome, because I want to

461
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Speaker 2: know how we got to that outcome. Go to YouTube

462
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: right now, the IndyCar site right Maybe Fox does it too,

463
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Speaker 2: but I know it's that's how again. I watched the

464
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: race on the plane ride home. It was posted Monday afternoon,

465
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: entirety pre race, post race everything, and even what's kind

466
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Speaker 2: of cool during the breaks they if it was a

467
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Speaker 2: side by side break, you're still seeing cars go around.

468
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Speaker 2: So I enjoyed that a couple of times for two minutes,

469
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: just listening to net sounds of them cutting from onboards

470
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Speaker 2: to watching using the drone camera of you know, just

471
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Speaker 2: some a little bit of silence. Sometimes the announcers talk

472
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: too much.

473
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes that guy on Pitt Road is a little

474
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: too chatty, But no, it was you know, I think

475
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Speaker 1: the Fox broadcast and what Fox with the network coverage,

476
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: has been able to provide and did offer, and the

477
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Speaker 1: investment they have subsequently made. You know, any feelings that

478
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Speaker 1: I had an appreciation that I had for for what

479
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Speaker 1: NBC was able to do, was I guess now equal.

480
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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's just different. There are different things

481
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Speaker 1: that the Fox affiliation has brought, uh and I like

482
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Speaker 1: elements of both. And it's it's been a nice you know,

483
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: you're you're just always adapting to a new situation. And

484
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Speaker 1: when we went to Fox, it took me a couple

485
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Speaker 1: of races to kind of get there. But I really

486
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Speaker 1: do feel and see the benefits that you've just described

487
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: with with all network, with side by side, things have

488
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Speaker 1: really smoothed out, and I think it's as where it's

489
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Speaker 1: where we wanted to be.

490
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Speaker 2: I loved Peacock, and as someone who is open to streaming,

491
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: it was nice that I always knew where I could

492
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Speaker 2: find it, it was going to be archived and so forth.

493
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Speaker 2: But I feel like this is an underrated and discussed

494
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: asset of this deal. So with Peacock, you are serving

495
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Speaker 2: your hardcore fans. People who wanted to find you could

496
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: go and find you at any time. And always know

497
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: it's there. And this is one of the challenges. Is

498
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Speaker 2: a different aside when you have a network partner, when

499
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: there's a tornado warning, you're gonna get bounced. When there's

500
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: a preseason football game, I saw a lot of anger.

501
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: How dare you show a pre game? Well, you know why,

502
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: it's business. The local affiliate controls that. Fox cannot mandate

503
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: that their affiliates carry what they are offering on the network.

504
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: And the reason the affiliate don't get mad at them

505
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: does that because a local preseason game in market. What

506
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: did I see was it was it a Green Bay game?

507
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: I forget which one it was. It was a fifty

508
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: rating locally, fifty one out of two households were watching

509
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: that practice game, and I think in general it's probably

510
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: ten to twenty, which is what the ND five hundred

511
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: does in Indianapolis. So it's massive business. I also think,

512
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: and that's why you should follow Bob Pokers on Twitter,

513
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: because Bob alerted his followers over the weekend, and I

514
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: believe I retweeted this. I hope I did. Of the

515
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: seven or eight major markets, there was an alternative, there

516
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: was another channel that it was going to be on,

517
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: or the website, so it it's not great, but that's

518
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: the way it is. But that's what Peacock kind of did.

519
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Now if this ever happens, it's still available on foxsports

520
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: dot com. What I was getting to is the practice shows.

521
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: We were never going to create new fans with a

522
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: practice show on Peacock. That's just not how a streaming

523
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: outlet like that works, unless you got them to put

524
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Speaker 2: that at the front of your page. As you're going

525
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: on and searching for the office. Maybe you occasionally get

526
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Speaker 2: someone that's flipping on to watch office reruns. Oh there's

527
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: an IndyCar practice on a live sporting event, I'll watch this,

528
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: But that's not super likely. But when you're on FS one,

529
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Speaker 2: what eight hours a weekend, FS two for a couple

530
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Speaker 2: of hours. But most of our stuff is on FS one,

531
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Speaker 2: which it's not a million people, but in on average

532
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Speaker 2: is probably somewhere between seventy five hundred and two hundred

533
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: thousand people for most events, And you've got the chance

534
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: of a sports fan stumbling upon you when you go

535
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: into a restaurant or a sports bar. There's a good

536
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: chance that ESPN is P one and FS one is

537
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: P two. Both of those channels are on most of

538
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: the time, and I'm hoping that someone will share a

539
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: cumulative number how many eyeballs watched IndyCar at the end

540
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: of the year, because I think you're adding on I

541
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: would say another three or four hundred thousand a weekend

542
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: if you added up the what do we have? We

543
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: have four Indiecar sessions including qualifying and three Indie Next sessions?

544
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: Is that right? Maybe four two practices? Yeah? Four, So

545
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: it's eight sessions. That might be low. I think you

546
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: might be averaging close to one hundred thousand per session.

547
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a little bit less with an Indie Next practice,

548
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: but five eight one hundred thousand on top of what

549
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: you're getting for the race, those eyeballs count.

550
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, and I like your your assessment that

551
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, the f S one is a is a

552
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: strong second choice. It's certainly better than shipping it to

553
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: the website or shipping it to Peacock. It's it's a

554
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: good option. But on top of that, the Fox broadcast

555
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: did have a crawl that was said, if you're looking

556
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: for the IndyCar Race, it's on FS one. So that yes,

557
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: so that that did give you the you know, the option,

558
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: and when this is the other thing that was positive.

559
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: When the switch was made, FS one did not just

560
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: cut the cord mid mid corner of a pass. They

561
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: waited till the end of a of a natural break before,

562
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: so you actually could watch it both places.

563
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: As soon as they Buxton verbally said, Hey, if you're

564
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: watching FS one, we're ending that you need to go

565
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: to Fox now.

566
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was a available on both spots. As

567
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: soon as I knew it was available on Big Fox

568
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: was able to switch things over, and so therefore it was.

569
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: It was a pretty seamless transition, Let's put it that way.

570
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: Wasn't the order I planned on discussing this, but just

571
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: pop in mind, and since I have no run of

572
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: show plan, it's whatever I think about. What I want

573
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: to talk about next, and what we need to talk

574
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: about is not only Willpower winning, what's next for Willpower

575
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: Team Penske and on and on next On trackside, Hi,

576
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: this is will Power and you're listening to Trackside. We

577
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: are glad you were with us this evening. As we

578
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: moved towards an off weekend for Indy Car, you can

579
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: watch well, no Formula One either, no sports cars this weekend.

580
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: It's NASCAR and NBC. I believe Saturday Night is the

581
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: race at Richmond this week on USA with our friend

582
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: Lee Diffey, so I will tune into that this weekend.

583
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 2: I think the truck's race this weekend. Infinity is also

584
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: off for the weekend. So let's talk more before we

585
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: get to Milwaukee and Nashville, the two remaining events coming

586
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: up in a week and a half and two and

587
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: a half weeks. More on Portland. First, on Willpower winning,

588
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: I got the sense after the race in the paddock

589
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: and as I saw some people out to dinner, that

590
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: was a very popular win. Everybody there and I'm including drivers,

591
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: wanted to win, and it was kind of a consensus.

592
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: You know what, if I couldn't win, I am glad

593
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: to see will Power get another win because you never

594
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: know when it's going to be the last. And that

595
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: hits home a little more because he's got two more

596
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: chances and he'll be a favorite at Milwaukee. But I

597
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: think we all noticed that he's somewhat used the past

598
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: tense in Victory Lane in his conversation with Jack Harvey,

599
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: I've had a great career or however you phrase, but

600
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: he used the words had with Verizon and Team Penske.

601
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you in the sense that words matter,

602
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: and it was a past tense reference. But every driver

603
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: can say I've had a great run with Hunkos Hollinger,

604
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: or I've had a great run with Dale Coin raising.

605
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: So I actually thought about that just a little bit more.

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00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Eighty percent of me believes that

607
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: that was a chosen word on purpose. I mean, it

608
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: was not by accident, But I don't know that I

609
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: can put all the stock in the fact that he

610
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: said had Now having said that, I think he's a

611
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: great story for all the reasons we've always talked about

612
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: with Will's He's real, he's he is unique, and he

613
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: has been successful. You know, there have been sports figures

614
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: who have been successful, win games, win races, win matches,

615
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: and yet have not done it as long or as

616
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: consistent as Will have. There is no doubting Will's place

617
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: in this era of the sport. He's won racist he's

618
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: the best pole winner qualifier that's ever lived in this sport,

619
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: and he has won championships.

620
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: It is undisputed.

621
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Speaker 1: So you know, from that aspect, it's easy to understand

622
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: in his story, this particular year of not having a

623
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: contract for twenty twenty six, or at least, there is

624
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: this perception that he has been treated poorly. Now I

625
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true or not. Will's going to

626
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: have to describe that later on. Maybe he's known all along,

627
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: maybe they weren't required to tell him. So all those

628
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: things can be true, and we will find that out

629
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: at years in when the story is unfolding, or is

630
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: told to us as it unfolded. But at this point,

631
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: he's a sympathetic figure, and we appreciate his greatness, and

632
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: we liked the guy, and so you add those things

633
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: together and I can see why everybody felt this to

634
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: be a popular win.

635
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: Do you have an opinion on what he's doing next year?

636
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth. You can go back through

637
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: this this podcast and reviews of how we've discussed it.

638
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: Any chance what just happened changes what was being planned

639
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: a week ago. I think it's possible, because here's what

640
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: I think. I think Will Power believes he's done at

641
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 2: Team Penske. He has not told me that he knows

642
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: he's one hundred percent done, but I believe that's what

643
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: he thinks. Is there any chance and I also believe

644
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: that has been the case, as a lot of people

645
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: have said, people don't hide good news. If there was

646
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: a plan where he was going to be safe. He

647
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: has admitted here in recent weeks that this is weighing

648
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: on him, that this has been difficult, not knowing where

649
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: he's going to be. He has not out with this

650
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: since the end of two thousand and nine. He's always

651
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: had his contract. Now, he had a lot of rough

652
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: winners in as he was getting started seven eighth nine.

653
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: Remember he came to Team Penske. He turned down what

654
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: was it, a one GP yep that winner guaranteed deal,

655
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: and he and Liz talked about and said, let's gamble

656
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: on ourselves. And he went in with one race to

657
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: fill in for l e O castren Nevz and nothing more.

658
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: And then it led to a few more races and

659
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: he got hurt really bad and had to kind of

660
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: start over on things. But since then he has always

661
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: known what is going to come. But it's an interesting dynamic.

662
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: As much as I think it's been decided, here are

663
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: the scenarios. In my mind, it's been decided, and they

664
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: don't want to tell him and they're just going to

665
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: wait because that's their rights, and that's the way Penske

666
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: generally does things. Nothing is ever announced until the season

667
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: is done. Even those that do know are not allowed

668
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: to speak to it. You know, if you want to

669
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: stay in our good graces, you are not going to

670
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: speak about this until the date that we allow it,

671
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 2: and you're going to be our employee until that time.

672
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: Part two could be that there is language in David

673
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: Malucas's contract that says you move over to Team Penske

674
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: if this happens. Performance clauses and we do not know

675
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: whether he's going to meet them. Is it finishing top

676
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: ten in the championship, is it having a certain amount

677
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: of podiums? Is it winning a race? All of those

678
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: things could still be achieved, and that might be why

679
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: will Power has said he's been told you will not

680
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: know until August thirty. First. I've shared that opinion with

681
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: some and some have said, now, that doesn't make sense.

682
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: Others have said, yeah, that does make sense. It makes

683
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: sense to me as to why they can't specifically say.

684
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: Part three could be Part two is correct, but they

685
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: may still decide We're going to encourage David and Malucas

686
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: to be content with where he's at with further definition

687
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: and enhancement of his program, because we feel it's in

688
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: the best interests of the team to stay status quo,

689
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: and we want Willpower to be a part of this

690
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: team next year. Fourth scenario is that Melucas is coming.

691
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: Roger Penske, who also owns the series, understands it's in

692
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: everyone's best interest for one of the more interesting characters

693
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: who is still good to remain in the sports. He

694
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: is allowing him to speak to others. And I know

695
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: Will says, I can't talk to anybody. Everybody's talking to somebody.

696
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: If they're interested in will Power, they may not ask Will.

697
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: But that's why he has a manager. Now they can

698
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 2: go talk to Oriole Survey and say, hey, if you're

699
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: not invited back, we'd like to have a talk. Maybe

700
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: we can't officially do that, but just want to let

701
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: until August thirty first, but just want to let you

702
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: know on September first, we'd like to talk. That can

703
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: and hopefully has already been going on. If and this

704
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: is going to come down to Power. As we look

705
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: at where he could go, I could see Brad Hollinger saying,

706
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to pay for him. I'm ready to up

707
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: our program. We are getting better, but we're not there yet.

708
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: We need a veteran driver. This is someone who's still

709
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: very close to the top of the sport. I'm going

710
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: to invest in him in one of our cars and

711
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: maybe we can sell him. Having will Power Ray Hall

712
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: led him in Lanigan, they have a lot of sponsors.

713
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: That's going to be and interesting decision. So I think

714
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: we can be honest amongst friends. Let's just look at

715
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: everybody at the back of the championship. You know, anyone

716
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: outside of the premo drivers. The premo drivers were hired

717
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: and they're back there because that's a new program. But

718
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: they're getting better and they're on the way up. But

719
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: everybody else is bringing most of the budget. That's just

720
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: the way it works. And then you're trying to get

721
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: hired by someone else. So this could apply for any

722
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: of those teams. If you want to hire will Power,

723
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: you need to pay him, and then you need to

724
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: take out of your budget whatever your driver is bringing.

725
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: So that could be six, seven, eight, nine million dollars

726
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: or more. Is that going to be worth it? Who

727
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: is going to pay for it? So that's the decision

728
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: that is going on there, and every owner is debating that,

729
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: and I spoke with some of them and they're thinking

730
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: about it, and one of them, I feel like wasn't

731
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: on the record conversation talk with Michael. Shank said, Michael,

732
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: what's your plan for the sixty six? Is Marcus's contract up?

733
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: He said, yes, it is. We are talking about it.

734
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: They have interest, but he just simply said, you know,

735
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: we're looking at the marketplace too. He didn't tell me

736
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: which way was leaning. I think Armstrong is saying there,

737
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: that's my staying there. That's my common sense. But I

738
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 2: also think he has some interest. He wants to see

739
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 2: what else is out there, and it's not necessarily will Power.

740
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: Rena's Vick is another one, Lena's Lunquist. You know there

741
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: are other drivers that are out there on that front.

742
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: Back to Power, if one of these spots, oh in

743
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: aj Foyt would be another one too. If they lose Malucas,

744
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: they're obviously going to have at least one opening. Dale

745
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: Coin Racing could have an opening, others could. Power is

746
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: going to have to decide am I going to be

747
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: happy doing this? Does he feel financially set to retire?

748
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: Does he have something else he wants to do or

749
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 2: is he willing to be Is he willing to start

750
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: over where finishing eighth might be a good day would

751
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: be overachieving in that program. That's what I do not know.

752
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: I've not really asked him that at this point, but

753
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: that's something he will have to ask internally. Or he

754
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: could simply come back and say, you know what, I'm

755
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: going to do what Eliot and Montoya did. I am

756
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: going to if he offers it. I Am going to

757
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: do the DY five hundred and a fourth car for

758
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: Roger Penske because I know I will have a chance,

759
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: and then I'm going to find some other things to do.

760
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: I don't think moving to the poor Schapenske program is

761
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: an option because those are Porscha factory drivers. They're not

762
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: taking the Penske drivers anymore. So I'd be surprised if

763
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: that is an option on that front. And the other

764
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: thing that I wonder is a possibility. Does Roger Penske

765
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: say I need him in the series. There's no other

766
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: situation that will FINDS acceptable. And I'd like to continue

767
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: this partnership with aj Foyt Racing as a going away present.

768
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: You know, we feel like the future is David Malucas.

769
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 2: We want him in our car now. We think he

770
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: is going to contend for wins and be upfront in

771
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: the championship in a Penske program. But will you can

772
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: be subsidized by Team Penske and one of our partners

773
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: like Gallagher That was just on Melucas's car this weekend,

774
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: and if you'd like to do it, We're going to

775
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: supply you with a Penske engineer and it is essentially

776
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: a trade. I just those are all the scenarios that

777
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: I'm seeing at this point for power.

778
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think the you know, we

779
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: got two races here, he could win either or both.

780
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: If he were to end the season with two of

781
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: the last three race wins. I don't know how. I

782
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: don't know how this ends without him having a huge

783
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Penske role in twenty twenty six. I just don't, you know,

784
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: whether it's at the Indy five hundred and you know,

785
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: or maybe he's at four to you know, whatever. But

786
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very difficult to send

787
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: him on his way if he's won two of the

788
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: last three races.

789
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: And what they did a few years ago when they

790
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: had the next driver they were ready to bring on,

791
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: but not ready to get rid of the current drivers.

792
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: They ran four cars yep, for a bit. That's no

793
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: longer really an option. Yes, they could run for but

794
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that would be welcomed really well, if

795
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: one of the Penske cars that owns the series is

796
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: bumping another car that's investing to come. Unless we got

797
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: to a point where a team went away and we

798
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: were below twenty seven cars, then maybe that's a possibility.

799
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: If something happens where someone falls off the grid, then

800
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: maybe they just do expand to four cars this year

801
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: and they're not worried about the charter. But as things

802
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: stand out, that's a twenty eighth car. I don't see

803
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: that happening.

804
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you on that it's a fast and

805
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: that's why everybody was so happy for Will.

806
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Again.

807
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: He's in a tough spot. He's been in limbo. You

808
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: can see it on his face, you can hear it

809
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: in his words, and you could imagine that this has

810
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: been difficult on he and his family. You know, I

811
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: can't I can't run through scenarios where he goes and

812
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: does something else. He hasn't been a sports car driver,

813
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, unlike Dixon, unlike Rosenquist, unlike several others in

814
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: this paddock. He hasn't done anything else. Has he driven

815
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: any other kind of race car since twenty ten.

816
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: So he was going to run a GTD car and

817
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: Liz was sick two years ago. He was really excited

818
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: about it and was going to do the Rolex twenty

819
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: four and I will Liz almost died and he said,

820
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: I can't go. I can't leave him right now, and

821
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: he hasn't. You know, I think he would still welcome

822
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: the option to do that, but yeah, he now could

823
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: he do, of course, he'd be awesome, he'd be great.

824
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: No, I just meant in terms of him being a

825
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: frontline guy to take a frontline seat.

826
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to get those seats if you were

827
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: an IndyCar driver. You know, there are a lot of

828
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: people that have one, a lot of IndyCar races that

829
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 2: are trying to get sports car rides at the top level,

830
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: and they're saying, well, how much money can you bring? Yeah,

831
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: that part of the business is there too, Yeah, but

832
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: some of those they it's you've got to be entrenched

833
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: with the factories they hire from within for the paid

834
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: paid rides.

835
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: But Scott Dixon would get hired tomorrow by any good

836
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: team because of his experience.

837
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: Yes, because he's been doing it forever and he's been

838
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: just as quick as the regular factory drivers. But it

839
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: doesn't hurt him that his team has generally had a

840
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: seat that Ganassi has off. But even in the years

841
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: when he doesn't, Dixon still gets hired.

842
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying Will doesn't have that kind of background.

843
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: That's what that's my point.

844
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: So anyway, so maybe some more that we'll get to

845
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: on this. We'll preview hour two coming up next on

846
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: track side. This is Alex below and you're listening to

847
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: Truck Site. While we have a moment. Wanted to mention

848
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 2: the three winners of the USF Pro Championships over the weekend.

849
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: Some had already wrapped it up, like Max Garcia, who

850
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: won the USF Pro Championship to get a scholarship to

851
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: go to Indy next just sixteen years old. He's from Miami.

852
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: Maybe you saw him in the booth with us for

853
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: one of the USF or for one of the Indie

854
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: Next practices, So he's going to be somewhere next year.

855
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: He's won the last two championships USF two thousand, USF

856
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: Pro two thousand. I don't think anyone has ever won

857
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: all three in back to back to back years. Kirkwood

858
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: won them in three straight years he competed, but there

859
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: was the COVID year in between when there was no

860
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: Indie Lights or Indy Next. But he did it in

861
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: the first try at all three levels. So Garcia could

862
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: do that, but he will still be sixteen next year

863
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: at Saint Pete when that season starts. USF two thousand

864
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: was won by Exclusive Racings Jack Jeffers and in USF

865
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: Juniors Leonardo as SCORPIONI of Zanella Racing won that championship.

866
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Speaker 2: In Hour two, we can look at the schedule. We

867
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Speaker 2: need to go through the box score from Portland, more

868
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: destination possibilities and we'll get to the xbox. Your Twitter

869
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: questions coming up at Kevin Lee twenty three at Kirk

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00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Cavin on Trackside. Hi, this is Graham ray Hall and

871
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: you're listening to Trackside on ninety three five and one

872
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: oh seven to five the Fan Hour two. Thanks for

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00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 2: staying with us. Ninety three to five, one oh seven

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Speaker 2: to five the Fan in Indianapolis. It's trackside landon Coons

875
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: Is in the studio, Kevin Lee, Kirk Cavin are not

876
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: I will probably make an appearance again sometime this fall

877
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: again just to make sure the key card works, so

878
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: that'll be in the plan coming up sometime here after

879
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: the season is over. It's an off weekend and then

880
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: it's to the Milwaukee Mile and to the Nashville super Speedway.

881
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: I saw somewhere I'm not seating in my Twitter mentions.

882
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a direct message or somewhere something asking

883
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: if the Milwaukee Mile is okay. I'm hearing it is.

884
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: All is still fine. They got deluge with about nine

885
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: inches of rain and hour and a half or something

886
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: like that over the weekend and the tunnels were all full,

887
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: but the track is fine. Unfortunately it closed the State

888
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: Fair for the last day on Sunday. But yes, we

889
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: are all go for Milwaukee coming in next week. Two

890
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: day show Saturday and Sunday, and it is packed with

891
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: IndyCar and Indie Next with a lot of activity all

892
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: day Saturday and quite a bit of things on Sunday,

893
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: including the Indie Next race on Sunday morning and then

894
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: the IndyCar Race which will be live on Fox let's

895
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: go to the Xbox Twitter questions before we forget and

896
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: see if that covers some of the other things we

897
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: want to discuss. Brian at five hundred and Indye nineteen

898
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: eleven says or ask was there a reason the Astra

899
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: Cup wasn't brought to Portland for a possible then clinching

900
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: champion celebration? Is it in the contract for it to

901
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: be given to Nashville regardless of when it is clinched?

902
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: So the answer to that is, you know, we've this

903
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: last three years, as Alex has been you know, wrapping

904
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: these things up in advance. It's been a real delicate balance.

905
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to honor the champion and the

906
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: championship race at Nashville super Speedway this particular year, last

907
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: year as well, and so you're you're trying to preserve that,

908
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: whether it's in the contract or not. I suspect there's

909
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: some you know, there's some promise that it will be

910
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, officially awarded it at Nashville, whether it's specified

911
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: or not. But we also recognize that the championship was

912
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: clinched in Portland. So let's give him the sticker. Let's

913
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: give him the CONFETI or the banner or whatever we're

914
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: gonna whatever was actually given to him. But let's let's

915
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: recognize the obvious here and do what's best for the

916
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: moment and still do what's best for the season ending

917
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: race at Nashville Super Speedways. So trying to walk both

918
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: sides of the fence on this one, and he'll get

919
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: the Astro Cup at Nashville.

920
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: And then that leads me to something else. And I

921
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: just did a quick Google search to see what we

922
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: said publicly, so this has come up. You know, is

923
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: IndyCar going to need a playoff? Is that something Fox

924
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: is going to ask for. I have no idea what

925
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: Eric Shanks thinks on this front, but I did have

926
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Speaker 2: a conversation in the spring with Scott Boorschetta and he said,

927
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why we are not promoting this

928
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: race anymore is that I asked for a playoff and

929
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: they didn't want to do that. So I want to

930
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: make sure he had also said that publicly, and he

931
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: has said that publicly, and he just said it again

932
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 2: in the lead up to this particular event, saying, yeah,

933
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: I think it's probably time for a playoff. So talk

934
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: amongst yourself on that, I first thought would be I

935
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: don't want one, It's a short enough season. However, I

936
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: would like to think I'm open mind enough to listen

937
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: to smart people who have been successful and hear their

938
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: argument on that. And unless Alex Polo is going to

939
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: Formula one next year, which I don't think he is,

940
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: I'm not going to immediately dismiss it, because I think

941
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: we're going to be in this situation again. At least

942
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 2: start thinking about things as we're rewarding more points for wins.

943
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: Help Actually probably not, because he wins a lot of

944
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: races and he probably clinches it even earlier. But it's

945
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: just going to be something that will spend some time

946
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: with in the offseason. Look at the pros and the cons,

947
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: and I think we all take note that a lot

948
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: of NASCAR fans are getting really annoyed with the playoff.

949
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: And I don't think they'll do this, but I can't

950
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: rule it out. It sounds like at least some want

951
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: to have that discussion of going back to the old

952
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: points system in NASCAR. I'd be surprised if they do that,

953
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: but some people with influencer saying it's worth a rethink

954
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: over there too.

955
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: I just the thing I don't care for the NASCAR

956
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: system is that. I mean, one, I do like that

957
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: it's weighted and you get you know, a win gets

958
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: you in and all those kind of things. But what

959
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: what's frustrating for me is you get to the last

960
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: race of the season and the fourth place guy in

961
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: the standings has the same opportunity to win the championship

962
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: as the first place guy. You know, it's four guys

963
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: with the same equal chance. I mean, if if it

964
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Speaker 1: were a situation where and this is a very bad example,

965
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: but let's say it was a baseball game and you

966
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: said the guy with the guy who's first or the

967
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: team that's first in the standings gets a four run

968
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: lead in the last game of the year. Well, okay,

969
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: he's earned that advantage. But there's no you can't do

970
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: anything other than maybe say the guy who's got the

971
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: got the points league gets to start on the poll.

972
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just again, I think there's been in

973
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: these last several years some guys win that championship that

974
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't think we're the best car all season.

975
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: Now.

976
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: I know in other sports we could make the argument

977
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: the Pacers, for example, we're not the best team in

978
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: the East all year they were the sixth seed, but

979
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: they got hot at the right time and got to

980
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. And we're one freak injury away from

981
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: having a legitimate chance to win the whole thing. I

982
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: get it, and baseball and the NFL has countless examples

983
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: where that's happened. I just don't think in a seventeen

984
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: race season that's what we want to do.

985
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: I'd prefer it NTS, But again, I want to hear

986
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: some ideas and maybe it can be tweaked and be

987
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: a little bit better. And I think we're also going

988
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: to watch and see what is the attendance like and

989
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 2: what are the ratings like for these final two races.

990
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: Not head to head with the NFL, not head to head,

991
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 2: I don't think with NASCAR, I can't recall Milwaukee if

992
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: that's head to head or not. Nashville is not because

993
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 2: that's Darlington that particular night, and maybe it's not. Maybe

994
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: it's the Alex Pelow effect right now. Maybe that's the

995
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: difference in the head to head with NBC on network

996
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: versus Fox. And why it's down because we've known the

997
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: championship has been over since May. How many people does

998
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: that turn away? You know your hardcores are still there,

999
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: but you're looking for that extra fifteen percent. That's what

1000
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: we're missing from these events. So if the business part

1001
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: of it matters, and it seems too to a lot

1002
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: of people, you at least have to have that discussion.

1003
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: You might dismiss it, but you should probably have the

1004
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: discussion at some point. At storm and Soda says, Malucas

1005
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: continues to be ahead of two Penskes still, but not

1006
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: the one whose seat is available. I'd be shocked if

1007
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: Power doesn't stay another year. When will this drama end?

1008
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: Where there's a will there's away sign willpower now is

1009
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: what Storman Soda says, Yeah, we've talked about that, and

1010
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: does anything change. I wouldn't think one win should change

1011
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: it because it's not like will Power came out of

1012
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: nowhere to win a race. He's been a factor to

1013
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: win a race for a long time. But we shall see.

1014
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: How about townshend Bell's idea on the broadcast? Did you

1015
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: hear that I missed that one? He suggested? He said,

1016
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: I had this thought in the shower team Penske owns

1017
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: a NASCAR program. Who's the best Cup driver right now?

1018
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: He's the best, certainly on the road courses. Or maybe

1019
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: he just I think he said who won the race today?

1020
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: And Sveg has won four of the five road course races.

1021
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: He's going to be second or third going into the playoffs.

1022
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: He's got a chance to get into the final four,

1023
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: or at least get into the second or third round.

1024
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: Who's the only guy when they did what they were

1025
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: doing that could beat SVG, Scott McLaughlin and Scott McLaughlin

1026
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 2: always thought when he talked with Team Penske about coming

1027
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: to America, he assumed it was going to be to

1028
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: drive a stock car. Would they switch him over at

1029
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: some point? So that was what he threw out there.

1030
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: I happened to end up sitting next to Scott McLaughlin

1031
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: at dinner on Sunday night and he said, that's the

1032
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: first I've heard of that. And then I think he

1033
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 2: came back at Townsend on social media and said, how

1034
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: about this, how about we farm out Townsend Bell to

1035
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 2: become a sideline reporter for the Big ten network and

1036
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: put Jack Harpy in the booth. I like that. Here's

1037
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 2: the other reality in Indy. Car seat is a better

1038
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: job than being a NASCAR driver. They're not paying what

1039
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: they paid in NASCAR back in the day. If you

1040
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: can get that ten or fifteen million dollar contract, yeah,

1041
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: sign me up. But they're not generally paying that anymore.

1042
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: And you got to work twice as long. There's no

1043
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: off season in NASCAR. Off season is December. That's it.

1044
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess Scott is pretty happy where he's at now.

1045
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: Roger Penskey's the boss. If he decides he wants to

1046
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 2: do that as a fix, I suppose he could, that'd

1047
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: be a shocker, though. Maybe that's why we're not hearing

1048
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: anything to clarify. I did hear towns he's got a plan.

1049
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: I did hear Townsend say that, and I was fixated

1050
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: on is this how Townsend belt comes up with his

1051
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: ideas and so? And he didn't even share that one

1052
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: with us. At dinner the night before, we all for

1053
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: the four of us, had dinner, Me, Hinch, Townsend, and

1054
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: Will Buxton, and we talked about a lot of things

1055
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: and a lot of ideas. We debated playoffs, and we've

1056
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: talked often about what happens with will power. None of

1057
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: us know. We all have theories and thoughts. But he

1058
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: saved that one for the show, and that's why Townshend

1059
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: is a brilliant broadcaster, because he surprised Will and Hinch

1060
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: he hated for the show. Yeah, it's good talk show material.

1061
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: Throw against the wall, see what happens? Yep, yep. Chris

1062
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: Curtis says, any rumors on Connor Daily for next year.

1063
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: If there's one thing this series needs more than less

1064
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: street courses and more ovals, it's Connor Daily. The man

1065
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: cares more about the sport the ninety eight percent of

1066
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: the people in the world. It needs him, We need him.

1067
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: I would say this about Connor. If Will Power is

1068
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: the most interesting individual in the sport, Connor's in the

1069
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: top three, and I'm not sure who else is in

1070
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: the top three. He is interesting, His driving is entertaining,

1071
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: especially on short ovals. He which basically, as we argued

1072
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: earlier in the first hour that Portland is kind of

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01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: a short oval. And then he's not afraid to say

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01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: what he what's on his mind. And I wrote the

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01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: other day the old podcast of Connor Daily this week

1076
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: is going to be interesting.

1077
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: It is going to be a must listen. I agree

1078
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: with that the series does need them. Connor Daily is

1079
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 2: good for the sport, and if anybody can find a

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01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: way to stay, it will be Connor, who has learned

1081
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: the business side of things and hustles more than anyone else.

1082
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: And that's what it takes. If you are not in

1083
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: the Penske, one of the top Ganassi seeds, the Andretti seats,

1084
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: a couple of the Air McLaren seats, you are generally

1085
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: required to bring some of the budget, and he's good

1086
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: enough that he's not bringing eight million dollars. I don't

1087
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: know what the number is, but I know it's not

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01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: anywhere close to the full budget. So he is still

1089
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: being hired on his talent and what he brings to

1090
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: a program. But these are always year to year deals,

1091
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: so I hope it works out. But he's going to

1092
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: have to get the people on board to renew. He's

1093
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: going to have to find more and he's going to

1094
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: have to hope that someone wants some talent doesn't come

1095
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 2: around with a six million dollar check because that's hard

1096
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: for the team to turn down. To be close to

1097
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 2: fully funded, it is teams want ten million dollars. That's

1098
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 2: kind of what the budget is. It's eight to ten

1099
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: million dollars. You'd like to have ten million dollars to

1100
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 2: feel like you can compete with penzh Hee, Genassi Andretti

1101
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: and Erl McLaren.

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01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: Is this a spot to talk about Connor d Alien,

1103
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: Christian Rasmusen.

1104
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: So I think that's one of the questions I'm going

1105
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 2: to get to. Okay, I'll save it for that, and

1106
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: I just keep rolling through. Chad Frankinfield tweeted Alex plows

1107
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 2: on a one race windless strout. Is he no longer

1108
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: the peak of his career? He didn't keep the smiley face,

1109
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: but I know he meant it. Mohammad asks as a

1110
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: VK fan, as you guys know, I know that he

1111
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 2: is probably gonna stay, which is crazy, like he is

1112
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: so fast every weekend. It's him only able doesn't bring pace.

1113
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: Who will gets the fifty one? There is two options,

1114
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: one Dennis Hauger with help from Ndretti, or even a

1115
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: partnership to a pay driver. All right, let me sift

1116
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: through that back again. So for VK, I kind of

1117
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: think dale Coin racing is his best option, and he's

1118
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: to listen. But just like we were talking about with

1119
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: will power, the places that we think are most likely

1120
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: to potentially have seats. And remember it's the same aspect.

1121
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: If there is someone that is bringing budget to that seat,

1122
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 2: now you have to subtract that and add in what

1123
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 2: Renus wants to get paid. So without even naming names,

1124
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: you can pretty much just look at everyone not named

1125
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: Joseph Newgarden at the back of the championship and he

1126
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: is eighteenth. Oh, it's unbelievable. It's behind Kiff and Simpson

1127
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: in the championship right now. But everyone not named Joseph

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01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: Newgarden and not the premo drivers because both of those

1129
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: drivers are really talented and it is a learning curve

1130
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: for that team at least. I don't know about Schwartzman situation.

1131
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 2: Maybe he is bringing some budget. I have no EA idea,

1132
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: but I know Calumi Lot has always been a higher

1133
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: driver and my guess is Schwartzman is as well. So

1134
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: you have to decide, am I willing to forego the

1135
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: budget that that driver brings to hire someone? And then

1136
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: Renus even has to say, okay, say they are willing

1137
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: to do that. Look at where they're at in the championship.

1138
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 2: Now he's going to believe in himself and say, well,

1139
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 2: I'm better than that driver, I will do better than them,

1140
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: just like he did better. Dale Coin Racing was in

1141
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: that situation with their cars last year, and he has

1142
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: elevated that program. I would contend he's better staying off

1143
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: where he is unless something becomes available that I am

1144
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: not aware of.

1145
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. He's twelfth in the championship.

1146
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: He's one spot behind Scott McLaughlin. He is, he has

1147
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: Michael Cannon and as an engineer, and he has dale

1148
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: Coin on his pit stand. Well, what better combination could

1149
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: you ask for? I mean, assuming you're not to get

1150
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: a Penske, a Ganassi or an Andretti or Aero McLaren ride,

1151
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you could ask.

1152
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: For Meyer Shank. You would take the Meyer Shanks seat

1153
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: as well. You're right, but I don't know that those

1154
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: are going to be offered. Bet.

1155
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: The point is, regardless of how you ranked the spots,

1156
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: that's that has a chance. He finished second at Toronto,

1157
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: he's got a chance to win a race there. They've

1158
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: won six races and they've won with Carlos Schuertras, they've

1159
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: won with Mike Conway, they've won with Sebastian Boordat, they've

1160
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: won with Justin Wilson. Uh and there's somebody else I'm forgetting.

1161
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: But they have won races in different eras, with different

1162
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: drivers and different types of race tracks. They want a

1163
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: Texas Motor Speedway. They've wanted Detroit, in Bellisle they've won,

1164
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, they've won in Houston on the street circuit.

1165
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: They can win a race. I just petd to championship,

1166
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 2: you know, and I mentioned New Garden. There's one other

1167
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 2: one that is a higher driver. Marcus ericson twentieth in

1168
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: the championship. Now there is an asterisk there because he

1169
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: finished second in the inndy five hundred and was credited

1170
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: with thirty second or third, thirty first, thirty first, thirty first. Okay,

1171
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: so but he still would be about seventeenth. You get

1172
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: he has two hundred and eight points, he'd be right

1173
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: around there with Kiffen Simpson and Joseph Neugarden and Alexander

1174
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: Rossi off the top five. Is still only sixteenth in

1175
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 2: the championship. What a weird year. Who would have guessed?

1176
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: And then to part two about Dennis Hauger, I do

1177
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 2: see that as a potential destination for Hager. So for Coin,

1178
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: their first goal is going to be getting Rena's VK

1179
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: to come back, finding the budgets to come back, and

1180
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 2: I think they will. They've generally been able to hire

1181
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: one driver or often have. But what do they want

1182
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: to do for the second car? What does Jacob Abel

1183
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: want to do for that second car. I have not

1184
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: asked Jacob or his dad Bill what their thoughts are

1185
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: for next year, but you know, reality would say there's

1186
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: going to be some frustration on both parts. Jacob Abel

1187
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: is competent. He won races and contended with Louis Foster

1188
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 2: in the championship last year, beat Louis Foster at times.

1189
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: Whose you know points You would say, well, Louis Foster

1190
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: is only twenty third in points, but he's been quick,

1191
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 2: he's done what a rookie has to do. And maybe

1192
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: that's a reason to not give up on Jacob because

1193
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: Louis Foster is well regarded by his team and in

1194
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: the sport, and he's only twenty third compared to where

1195
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 2: Jacob is, who missed the NDY five hundred because they

1196
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: were in a bit of disarray. And I think he's

1197
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 2: on like his third different engineer of the season, So

1198
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: I still see potential for Jacob. I don't know what

1199
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: level of budget they able to bring through able construction

1200
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: and partners have able construction, But is he going to

1201
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: look around? You know that sometimes it's good just to

1202
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 2: flip flop things around and you can look. I'm sure

1203
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,440
Speaker 2: they're going to want to talk to Foight and Hunkohs

1204
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: and Ray Hall and anyone else that needs some budget

1205
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: to help their program around. Or you know, maybe they say, no,

1206
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: we see it, we see some light in the tunnel,

1207
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: and we want to just stay where we're at. But

1208
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: that's the part too. But I do think Dennis Hauger

1209
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 2: is going to find a spot somewhere. And would it

1210
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 2: be in an Andretti situation if they think really highly

1211
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: of them, I think they would just simply say you

1212
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 2: sign a one year contract and we'll come back and

1213
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 2: talk in another year, just like Kyle Kirkwood did, or

1214
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: maybe they even put it a little more in writing,

1215
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: which may or may not have happened with Kirkwood. I'm

1216
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: not sure that. I don't know if the statute of

1217
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: limitations have passed on whether I don't one hundred percent know,

1218
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 2: but that's always been my suspicion on that front. But

1219
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe it was just hey, let's

1220
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: talk again in a little bit. Next question, Nick Jeffers

1221
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 2: had Nick the Koala says, I saw Connor Day and

1222
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 2: Christian Rasmusen hashing out their beef at the midtown Carmel

1223
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 2: Java House today. No questions, just some on the ground reporting.

1224
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 2: And then someone responded to that and said, maybe Connor's

1225
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: podcast has already posted. He said he mentioned on the

1226
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 2: pod they were meeting a Java house on Wednesday. Well there,

1227
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: so there you go, and that's probably a good thing

1228
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 2: because this isn't stock car racing. You don't want to

1229
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: let this fester. And it looks like that is part

1230
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 2: of what happened. So let's rehash this and whether it

1231
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 2: should have been a penalty not a penalty. The one

1232
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: that I was more surprised about was the first off,

1233
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 2: so Rasmussen said, when Connor went around was going around

1234
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: the outside in seven is that he got understeer and

1235
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 2: that's that's on me. And I pushed wider than I

1236
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 2: wanted to, and that seems perfectly explainable. Now the question

1237
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: would be, you know you're still responsible for your car.

1238
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: Is a penalty deserved? There? I think in many ways

1239
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: it is. However, it's not called that way, so the

1240
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: way it's been called there would not be a penalty there.

1241
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: And that's something that I think maybe deserves a rethink

1242
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,520
Speaker 2: at some point and has been one of my annoyances

1243
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 2: sometimes because it's a car that I'm responsible for crash

1244
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 2: damage for that. In this sport, you pass on the

1245
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: outside at your own peril, and you simply understand, and

1246
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 2: those that you are passing understand you can just run

1247
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: them off the road. It's been that way since go karts.

1248
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: Help me when I'm missing maybe I'm missing something. But

1249
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: the only series I'm familiar with that requires you to

1250
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: give space to the passing car on the outside was

1251
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: Formula Fords F sixteen hundred that they had a rule

1252
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,560
Speaker 2: that you must all one car link. Now, part of

1253
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: that's because it's a learning series combined with a gentleman

1254
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: driver series. There were fifty some year olds and there

1255
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: were thirteen year olds in that series, and that seemed

1256
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: like the smart way to do it. I'm not sure

1257
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 2: why that can't apply to other sports, because I think

1258
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: it would encourage more action. You don't want to try

1259
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: to pass on the outside because they simply know. All

1260
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: I got to do is track out like I normally

1261
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 2: would and you're going sailing. Yeah.

1262
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: It drives me crazy when when I hear Townsend and

1263
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: Hinge talk about yeah, the driver just has to open

1264
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: up his hands and let the card drift, And I'm thinking,

1265
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: if I did that on the highway, somebody's going down

1266
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: the embankment, and I just don't.

1267
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't think that's accepted, and that really stand it.

1268
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that's in the spirit of how professional

1269
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: drivers should react. I agree with you on this one.

1270
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to start asking some people what they think

1271
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 2: on that regard. Is that's something it Now it'd be

1272
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: really hard to officiate. That's part of the problem. So

1273
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: that's part one. No penalty was going to be called there.

1274
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 2: Then Connor probably had the red mist and came back

1275
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 2: and I think townshend to ultimately he mentioned this, you know,

1276
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: I think he felt like, yeah, Rasmussen was at fault

1277
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: in the one that caused Connor to go really hard

1278
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: with a scary hit into the wall. And the first

1279
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 2: thought with both analysts and I will always defer to

1280
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 2: the people who have driven race cars on this was yeah,

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01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: I think that's ras Mussen's fault. And then thinking through

1282
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,879
Speaker 2: it when there's not a penalty. Maybe it was decided

1283
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 2: and you're just trying to think through it. You're talking

1284
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: out loud, you're thinking out loud. And I could see

1285
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: this thought well. They were both going back at each other.

1286
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 2: It looked like Connor might have been retaliating a little bit,

1287
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: and they eventually decided, Eh, it's on you guys. May

1288
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 2: not be the best way to do things. I'm going

1289
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 2: to need that explained to me again. Of Rasmussen got

1290
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 2: into the back corner of Connor and he contends that

1291
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 2: was his corner. And I say this being a big

1292
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 2: fan of Christian I've known him since he was a kid.

1293
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 2: But the common perception is and again ran into quite

1294
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: a few drivers as we went out to dinner on

1295
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,400
Speaker 2: Sunday night. Not a big fan favor right now and

1296
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: a lot of concern and that can work to his

1297
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: benefit because they think he's nuts and they're worried. But

1298
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: the common perception has been right or wrong, that somebody

1299
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: might get hurt and a big one is coming. I

1300
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: don't know the race control can stop that. A penalty

1301
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily stop that. So I don't know. And here's

1302
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 2: the other one. I don't know what the right answer

1303
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: is here too, but someone I forget which journalists asked

1304
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 2: for a comment from race control, you know, kind of

1305
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,839
Speaker 2: like we sometimes see in other sports a pool reporter.

1306
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 2: If there is a controversial call in the NFL, there

1307
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: will be one reporter that asks a question, maybe even

1308
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 2: writes it down, and there is a statement delivered. The

1309
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 2: NBA now has their two minute report where they admit

1310
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: all their mistakes. I'm not sure that's done any good.

1311
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's good to just get it out

1312
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: there publicly. So I'm not willing to say, yes, we

1313
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 2: need to do that, but that is something that some

1314
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 2: would like to see. And we don't really have any

1315
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 2: explanation as to this is what we saw and this

1316
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 2: is why we did not make a penalty. So it

1317
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,879
Speaker 2: leads it up to us just to kind of guess.

1318
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: The only thing I would say and add, finally, at

1319
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: my final thought to the comment or to the situation,

1320
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: is if if those two cars had battled their way

1321
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: back to the front straight away. I think if I'm

1322
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: the race director, I say I want the seventy eight

1323
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: and the twenty one on pit road next time by calm.

1324
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: We all saw this down and this was no surprise

1325
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: that that happened. Intern eleven.

1326
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 2: This was on my pit producer. This is going to

1327
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: end in tears when they first started going at it,

1328
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: because neither one we're going to give.

1329
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: So, you know, that's one of those that I think

1330
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: if you're in a junior category, you're quick to say,

1331
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: come here, you're going to sit down for a minute,

1332
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: both of you.

1333
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 2: But feel like it's kind of a lesson for all

1334
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: young drivers. I know you get angry, but this is

1335
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 2: not a sport where we can afford to be angry exactly.

1336
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: You can get angry in football and try to get

1337
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: the hit the guy a little bit harder. You can

1338
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:43,879
Speaker 2: swing harder in baseball. You can drive to the basket

1339
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 2: and see if they want to stand in for a charge.

1340
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 2: Doesn't work that way in this sport. Bad things happen.

1341
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: Very lucky that Connor Connor hit as flush as he did,

1342
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: or that he didn't he wasn't injured. Very lucky because

1343
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: that car could have dug into the dirt. If that

1344
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 1: if those wheels catch you know, a rut, that car

1345
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: is going in a different angle into that barrier, no

1346
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: doubt all.

1347
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: Be interested to see if we hear anything more on that.

1348
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: I guess the answer is is, well, we didn't think

1349
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: of as a penalty, and that's kind of the final judgment.

1350
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 2: We feel it's fifty to fifty because there's probably things

1351
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 2: that both could have done absolutely to avoid things. But

1352
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 2: it was curious. Richard big cat Struth says, do you

1353
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 2: think that another team will be an IndyCar next year?

1354
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,759
Speaker 2: That puts the car count at twenty eight to twenty nine?

1355
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: If so, will ever be a grid limit in mostly

1356
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: road in street course races. I don't see anybody coming

1357
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: on in this environment. I don't think anyone is going

1358
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: to want to come on and must qualify, especially now

1359
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: that PRIM is in year two and presumably will be

1360
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 2: better and they are getting better. The only way we

1361
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: see a new team come in is if someone goes away.

1362
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, you know there and there is

1363
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: a limit. Obviously pit boxes create that limit, but I

1364
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: don't see it either. You know, if one of the

1365
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: teams went away, or as we talked about earlier with

1366
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: will power, if there was a reduction in some form,

1367
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: there's people perhaps ready to step in or could step in,

1368
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: but I don't see it at the moment.

1369
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: Charlie Max C five. All the talk on returning to

1370
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: forming racing venues, why do I never hear New Hampshire.

1371
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: I seem to remember good racing there in the northeast

1372
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 2: is lacking. I would hope they are looking into that.

1373
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Let's ask will Power about that. That's

1374
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: a famous moment in time.

1375
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: Hey, you want to market that event? Yeah, he can

1376
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 2: help market that event. We are definitely going to need

1377
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 2: Willpower in the grid if there is a return to

1378
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. Just do a little Google search. Google search

1379
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,879
Speaker 2: that two thousand and eleven and maybe put double birds

1380
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 2: in there as well. Okay, we'll see what else we

1381
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 2: have time for. Oh and we want to go back

1382
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: through the box score a little bit and those that

1383
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 2: had good days and those that did not. From Portland

1384
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 2: coming up next on track side. Hi, this is Alexander

1385
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 2: Rossi and you're listening to trackside. Okay, let's start going

1386
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: back through Portland. We talked about top five quite a bit.

1387
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 2: Maybe didn't get Christian Lungard enough love. Third time this

1388
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 2: season he started seventh and finished second. Finally, it wasn't

1389
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: to alex polo. I know he's frustrated. I know he's

1390
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: getting annoyed. I think Louing Guard has had a fantastic

1391
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:38,799
Speaker 2: first season with Aaron McLaren.

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01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is second straight top two finish and he's

1393
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,600
Speaker 1: probably got six or seven of these all year in

1394
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: the top three, so he's had a very good year.

1395
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: And he could finish third in the championship pretty easily.

1396
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: And for Aaron McLaren to finish second and third with

1397
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, behind a dominant polo season be pretty pretty special,

1398
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: especially with what's happening with their organization in Formula One,

1399
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: you would say that was a great year.

1400
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: We talked about Graham ray Hall twenty second to fourth,

1401
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: and I actually talked I think I talked on the

1402
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 2: show about this last week and talked with Graham about this.

1403
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,440
Speaker 2: What he's kind of figured out this year is qualifying.

1404
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 2: Going into this race, it had been what four of

1405
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: the last five or four of the last six he

1406
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 2: had made the fast six, didn't always start there because

1407
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 2: of engine penalties and in this case back to kind

1408
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: of old So he said, well, one thing is when

1409
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 2: you start up front, it's a little harder to pass people.

1410
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: You know, in the past it's been he drives forward

1411
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 2: and this year he's not been doing that as much

1412
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: because he's been starting better and this was more like

1413
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: a last year. Start twenty second, finished fourth. They used

1414
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: good strategy, he was quick. ROSSI needed a result, had

1415
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 2: just a solid day start sixth, finishes fifth. Calum I

1416
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 2: lot back to back sixth place finishes, just like Graham.

1417
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 2: He's plus eighteen on the day. I think they're starting

1418
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 2: to figure it out in that car. Yeah.

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01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how they'll end the season with two ovals,

1420
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: two short ovals, but it's been it's been a It's

1421
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: been the kind of year I think we expected, and

1422
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: maybe even better than we expected. I mean, certainly, Schwartzman

1423
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: winning the poll at Indy. You couldn't have seen that

1424
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: with four pair of binoculars. But it's been a good

1425
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: year for them.

1426
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: I feel like they were decent on the short ovals,

1427
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: one of them at Iowa. They just miscalculated on fuel

1428
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: little bit. I think they could be a player, but

1429
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: you're right, that's harder. This is not their home turf.

1430
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: McLaughlin has a solid day, finishes seventh. Got a little

1431
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: bit of help because some others that were going to

1432
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 2: be up there had issues, So Dixon got a penalty

1433
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 2: for punting new Garden. And what other way can it

1434
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: go poorly for Joseph Newgarden? What has not gone wrong

1435
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 2: for him this year? And you get punted by the

1436
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: one of the greatest drivers that ever lives, that takes

1437
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 2: you out of a top five or six, a guy

1438
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: who never makes mistakes. How many penalties does Dixon have

1439
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 2: and one of them is on new Garden this year?

1440
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, It's it's been an an unexplainable year.

1441
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: Marcus Armstrong does what he's been doing, just solid, starts eighth,

1442
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 2: finishes eighth, right ahead of his teammate, the veteran Felix Rosenquist,

1443
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 2: who had an okay day. Some of those used some

1444
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: strategy with those stops on four and nine to jump

1445
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: rosen Quist, but he was generally a sixth or seventh place.

1446
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 2: Car rass Musen Soldiers home a twelfth. Out of all

1447
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 2: the controversy, I think Louis Foster was hit early in

1448
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: the race, or he probably couldn't have been a little

1449
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: bit better than twelfth of where he ends up on

1450
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 2: the day. Thirteenth. Actually VK was also involved in early contacts,

1451
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: so he wasn't able to have much of a day.

1452
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: Really surprised at Andretti and once again shows that just

1453
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: because you test doesn't mean it's going to apply. They

1454
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 2: were the only team that tested, and it was only

1455
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: a week and a half ago and they were not

1456
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 2: a factor. Colton hurt to finish his tenth Kirkwood and

1457
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 2: Erickson are twentieth and twenty not on the lead lap.

1458
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: Kirkwood's had a bad second half of the season for sure,

1459
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: certainly the last four races so.

1460
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: And then Potter Award. I guess we never even got

1461
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: into that, and I think a fair point that he

1462
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 2: made he knew the championship wasn't happening. I actually said

1463
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 2: to him before the pre race interview when I said,

1464
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to ask you what do you

1465
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: need to do to keep the championship alive? And please

1466
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 2: don't say it's over, bro, I'm just here to win

1467
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: the race. Please don't say that. Play along with me,

1468
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: and he said yeah, yeah, yeah, and he said I'm

1469
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: here to win the race or something like that. But

1470
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: he had completed every lap all season, which they're just

1471
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 2: barely more than a handful of people and that's what

1472
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 2: was still attainable that hadn't happened since twenty two. We

1473
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 2: remember it back in the day. Cannan was the first

1474
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: one to do it right in four in the modern

1475
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 2: era yep, So yeah, that hurts a little bit through

1476
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: no fall of his own, just a freak mechanical. But

1477
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: it's still I think, been an awesome season for Poto Award.

1478
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 2: He's done the things that he hadn't done before finishing

1479
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 2: race is being consistent being there. Yep, it's been a

1480
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: good year. All right. We'll see what we missed coming

1481
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 2: up next on trackside how This is Scott McLachlan and

1482
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: you're listening to track side on ninety three five and

1483
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: one I seven five the fan Okay, final segment. Time

1484
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 2: for what we missed, or at least what I'm aware of.

1485
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 2: Scott McLaughlin's going to be doing some sports car racing

1486
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 2: in the off season. It was announced, I guess late

1487
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: last night early this morning that he's going to be

1488
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: doing a Corvette in the Suzuka one thousand kilometers. What else?

1489
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 2: Max Verstappen says he would like to do all the

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Speaker 2: big ones in sports cars, So that's Lamar Rolex twenty four.

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01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: Who knows what else becomes a little easier with Ford

1492
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: being a part of the Red Bull program starting next year.

1493
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 2: I don't think we have confirmation that Ford is coming

1494
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:54,599
Speaker 2: to IMSA in the GTPE or HyperCard category, but we're

1495
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 2: hoping that happens. We know they're going to LAMA in

1496
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 2: the World Endurance Championship, and then what else. Into the

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01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 2: show last week I mentioned the new Fox streaming deal,

1498
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: which was a little less expensive than what I feared

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01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 2: at thirty dollars a month. No, I'm sorry, twenty dollars

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: a month. Nineteen ninety nine. ESPN came out with theirs

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01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 2: that's twenty nine to ninety nine, and they've already come

1502
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: together on plans for a bundle for ESPN's properties and

1503
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: Foxes that's forty dollars a month. So that'd be a

1504
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: ten dollars a month savings if you're all into streaming

1505
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 2: and refused to do cable or get an antenna and

1506
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: things like that. Out of time, we'll talk to you

1507
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Speaker 2: next Tuesday here at seven on trackside