1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: I completely aired, and it's one hundred percent on me. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: I told you, I told you earlier. It's a sleep 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: deprivation Tuesday. Not to make excuse, simply explanation, but of course, 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: as a diehard eight weeks into it now about to 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: turn week nine fan of the Toronto Blue Jays, I 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: was up until the wee hours of the morning watching 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: the eighteen inning marathon that was Game three of the 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: World Series. As I mentioned, the Blue Jays themselves aired 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: last night by getting too aggressive, not once, but twice 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: on the base paths. But that's what happens when teams 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: force you, like the Dodgers with that offense, and Otani 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: in particular, you get aggressive because you are terrified of 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: the fact that that is an offensive explosion in LA's case, 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: that can happen at any time. So you're trying to 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: get that one run, that elusive run to close things, 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: and it did in the Blue Jays last night. I 17 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: ended up watching it for eighteen innings. I was up late, 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: and so my apologies that I aired. Steven Holder actually 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: is at two fifteen and Scott Agnes joins us now 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: from Fieldhouse Files talking about the Pacers who a year 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: ago forced teams to play their pace. Indiana would go 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: in and teams I think would end up taking bad shots, 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: enforcing themselves offensively because they knew that the Pacers were 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: a team that could explode at any time, and they 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: could start hitting threes, and that kept teams off kilter. Now, 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: Scott Agnes's question becomes for Indiana, it's not even a 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: matter of running the same pace as a year ago, 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: but simply at this point finding bodies because we now 29 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: know that mac McClung is in. The former dunk champion 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle had said that it is offensively a skill 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: set that is more intriguing to them than dunks. They 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: think that he can score. But James Weisman and the 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: release thereof to make room for that was intriguing to me. 34 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Were you surprised, first off that that's where they made 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: the roster space. 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, good afternoon, Jake. I was not entirely surprised, only 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: because he had seemed to produce very little during his 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: minutes out there. It felt like something was off. Over 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: the weekend when he started in Memphis. I know it 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: was a kind of a fun reunion game. He graduated 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: from school there and then went to University of Memphis. 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: But he showed nothing in twenty minutes. It felt like 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: that was, Hey, here's your last try, let's see what 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: you can do. And he didn't show much. So the 45 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: only surprise I guess would be because he's the one 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: player on this roster. He was I'm sorry, Tony Bradley 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: was the one player on this roster with non guaranteed deal, 48 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: so they had to eat one million dollars of his 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: contract two part ways with him. But it made all 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: the sense in the world. They need help at guard. 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's go back to that needing help at 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: guard when you look at it, Okay, Tyres Shaliburton obviously 53 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: out for the year, Andrew nim Harden is out. TJ 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: McConnell is out. In nim Hard's case, it's what a 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: shoulder spray. In McConnell's case, I believe that's hamstring, right, correct? 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: You know even that, like you know Taylor Peter, for example, 57 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: is is nursing. I think it's a groin injury. Where 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: do you when you look at timetable Scott, I guess 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: a two part question. The first is when do you 60 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: believe they will have full Arsenal back. And the second 61 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: is do you think, knowing all that goes into this 62 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: year anyway, that they don't get over aggressive in when 63 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: they bring people back. 64 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so first of all, I wouldn't expect most are 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: a handful of those back for until mid November. So 66 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: I think best case scenario Jake would be mid November. 67 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: That all but Halliburton could potentially be available already. The 68 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: only timeline we know for certain is that Cam Jones, 69 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: the rookie, is dealing with the stress reaction in his back. 70 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: He's out until then. And the same thing with TJ 71 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: McConnell's hamstring strain. They did get Quentin Jackson back over 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: the week when, which I would color that a little 73 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: bit as a surprise given it as a hamstring strain, 74 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: and and he didn't miss more time. But look, you 75 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: got eight guys on the injury report. What we top 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: in was the newest addition over this past game, and 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: so it's gotten to the point they're going to continue to. 78 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: I believe Jake play their style that pace, the randomness, 79 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: the chaotics style, but who brings it up is obviously 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: one of the biggest concerns, and you're going to see 81 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: and we have seen pascals have to take on an 82 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: entire new workload. Now, in terms of your second CLI, 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: you take it slower, be overly cautious. I think you 84 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 2: do to a certain extent, but only from the level 85 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: of like hamstring strains. You don't want to linger anything 86 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: like that. I don't think you're doing it in the 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: broader context of this season, given what it could be 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: on a worst case scenario, because this team's so focus 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: is getting back to the playoffs and having that. And 90 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: remember last season they got off to an awful start 91 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: the first six weeks, and so maybe it's just replicating 92 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: what happened last year, and you hope they can find 93 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: some good out of all. 94 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: This, Scott. 95 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: After tomorrow's game against Dallas, are the Pacers now eligible 96 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: to sign someone to a hardship deal? 97 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, great question, Eddie. 98 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the hardship would be available after the third game 99 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: because it requires four players to be out at least 100 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: three games and miss at least the next two weeks. 101 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: And so in all likelihood you already have three for 102 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: certain with Tyreees, with Cam Jones and TJ McConnell, and 103 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: then I mean Andrew Nemhar could be a candidate for that. 104 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: We did see Johnny Furfey play briefly in the second game. 105 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 2: I think it was so it doesn't seem like he's 106 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: another two weeks away there. But all along, I was 107 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: expecting the Pacers to make a move midweek this week 108 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: to take advantage of that hardship exception and become the 109 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: second team we've seen the Memphis Grizzlies already do so. 110 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: Same for Bendict Matherin. By the way, after Wednesday's game, 111 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: he would fall into that category, right Scott. With Johnny Furfey, No, 112 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: because he's been Friday, sorry, Friday's game, then after he 113 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: has missed three games, so it would be after Saturday's game, 114 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: assuming he misses here time. They have not put a 115 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: timetable on it. I have not gotten updates from his test. 116 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: He was scheduled to get some tests on Sunday and 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: Monday and determined based off those, we'll see on the 118 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 3: injury report coming up at five o'clock. 119 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: I think tonight, by the way, Scott, were you up 120 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: late watching the World Series? By any chance? 121 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: I gave up after like the tenth inning something like that. 122 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: I'm not a baseball guy. Anyway, that was the first 123 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: baseball I had watched all year. 124 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,559 Speaker 1: Your voice sounds deeper this morning. Are you getting enough sleep? 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: That's never the case. 126 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: Did you hit puberty at like two in the morning. 127 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: Your voice sounds Is it just me Eddie or does 128 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: his voice sound deeper? I think it's just to you 129 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: a little more bass in the voice. I don't mean 130 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: that in a bad way, Scott. I'm just saying, like, 131 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: you know how I take it. You know what I mean, like, yeah, 132 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: it's a very dulcet tone. I'm going to give you 133 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: two players. I want you to give me your critique 134 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: on where you think, you know how they're playing so 135 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: far this year, albeit through just you know, less than 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: a handful of games. Jaris Walker, I. 137 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: Just I would say see kind of average, slightly below 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: average to this point. I would expect more, but yeah, 139 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: we're just a weekend. 140 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Do you think they would tell you the same thing 141 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: in terms of expect more, I. 142 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: Would say so absolutely, especially from a general sense here, Jake, 143 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: because everybody's got to give them more, just because of 144 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: the all the different injuries we talked about, and so 145 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: even if they were at full health and he was 146 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: out there, I would I would have expected a little 147 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: bit more. I think it was the first game where 148 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: he played well and kind of showed some some bright spots, 149 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: but very non memorable performance. As the last couple, I 150 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: think Ben Shephard'd say about what we expected. Especially here's 151 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: the other thing. He's not one hundred percent right, and 152 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: so he's playing through Shepherd. 153 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: This is kind of the case with everybody, but it 154 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: seemed to me that Ben Shephard has been asked to 155 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: play a little more out of natural position. 156 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally agree. Yeah, he was brought in and drafted 157 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: for his defense for his three point shooting, and he's 158 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: has having to communicate out there and lead in addition 159 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: to kind of running some point and bringing the ball 160 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: up a lot more. So, Yeah, I would say he's 161 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: he's done above what I would expected, especially due to 162 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: the injury that cost him all of training camp. 163 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: Basically, what player would you say? Scott Agins is our 164 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: guest field House Files. He's on the Java House peeling 165 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: port guest line Java house dot com Jake twenty five 166 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: the code by the way, for twenty five percent off. 167 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: What player would you say Scott so far for the 168 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers based on the injury attrition is the one 169 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: that has had to play the most and maybe even 170 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: most successfully played above and beyond their normal place they 171 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: would slot. 172 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to go Pascal Siakam. He is doing so 173 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: much that from the long term for this season, Jake, 174 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit worried right like he's over exerting 175 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: himself and having to lead and produce and score and 176 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 2: defend and bring the ball up, and I wonder if 177 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: that is sustainable. So while he is the best player 178 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: available right now on this team in the top score 179 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: this past season, to me, he's the guy that is 180 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: as elevated as his job, even more so, and that's 181 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: why they've been able to stay in some of these games. 182 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: And you mentioned James Weisman. Scott Agnes our guest. I 183 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: hate to say this guy because I love him, and 184 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: I know it's so early. I mean, it almost feels 185 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: silly to go there with this, But because it's so early, 186 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: I've wanted to see anything out of Isaiah Jackson and 187 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. Tell me I'm too critical. 188 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: No, I would agree with that again, very early, but 189 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: still you, I mean, the biggest concern for me, Jake 190 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: and all this has been the foul trouble. Two of 191 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: the three games he's had four plus fouls, playing less 192 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: than fifteen minutes per game. We saw in the preseason 193 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: how that was obviously an issue in all but one 194 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: of those games, and so that's where it starts with 195 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: him for me, because he should be able to give 196 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: them twenty minutes per game. And I think I would 197 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: say that whole center position has behole has been wholly 198 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: underwhelming to me, outside of maybe a brief stint this 199 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: past game in Minnesota with Tony Bradley, And that's why 200 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: I think they ultimately said, hey, look it's kind of 201 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: a wash right now what we're getting at the center spot, 202 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: but we badly need help with that guard spot, so 203 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: let's make a move. And Wiseman clearly has been the 204 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: one that has shown them the least, and so it 205 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: was a worthwhile like Spearman, I think, but unfortunately he 206 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: was he was here just one year, played just two 207 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: games and twenty five minutes, and he made out nicely 208 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 2: with the contract. But I think that was a worthwhile 209 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: gamble for this franchise. 210 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, here's how we're going to do this. I'm 211 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: looking right Now I got on the Pacers website and 212 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: there's an ad on here for a many game package 213 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: that you can buy. Okay, Hm, the Gold Plan and 214 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: the Blue Plan. Now, I'm going to read you the 215 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: two plans. I want you to tell me, Scott Agnes, 216 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: if I was going to buy them for you, which 217 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: of the two plans you would take, Which one you 218 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: think is the better option in terms of your viewing pleasure? 219 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: And then Eddie's going to get the one you don't pick, 220 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: and we're going to see whether Eddie is happy or 221 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: unhappy with that. Okay, okay. The Blue Plan allows you 222 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: to go see the Golden State Warriors, the Milwaukee Bucks, 223 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics, the Memphis Grizzlies, the LA Clippers, and 224 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia seventy six Ers. Those are the games that 225 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: you would get with the Blue Plan. The Gold Plan 226 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: means that you would go see the Pacers play Oklahoma City, Milwaukee, 227 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: the New York Knicks, the Calves, the Rockets, and the 228 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: LA Lakers. 229 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: Before I answer this from your your standpoint, is it 230 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: even close? 231 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe it is me neither. It's gold all day, Eddie. 232 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: Would you be happy with that? 233 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: I'd be happy with attending in a game, Jake, I 234 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: don't care who the opponent is. 235 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gold to Eddie, Gold seems the better because you well, 236 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: here's the thing, you're a little late on the Gold 237 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: plan because Oklahoma City has already been here. 238 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: Right. 239 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: Even then, though the other five games are nice. Milwaukee 240 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: crosses both, so you're good there. You're facing two of 241 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: your last opponents in the playoffs. Rockets could be one 242 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: of the best teams in the league, and Lakers. You're 243 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: taking a gamble because that's the end of the season. 244 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: You know it, never know with health and what they're 245 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: looking like. But between Lebron and Luca and the potentially 246 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: even resell value, say you don't even care about those 247 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: two that that's a high mark. 248 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the Blue is not bad. I mean, you 249 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: get Staff, right, you get Milwaukee again, as you mentioned, 250 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: Boston is still Boston at the Grizzlies. I guess John Morant, right, 251 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: Clippers doesn't do much for me in the six ers. 252 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: It might be Zach Edie for Memphis for some that's 253 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: but he's out right now with injury. Same thing with Boston. 254 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: Years don't do much for me, right, I mean, total 255 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: sixers are going to be good, but they don't. They 256 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: don't do much for me either. 257 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 4: One. 258 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: You never know who's going to be available on the 259 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: given night, and that's the challenge, right If seventy it 260 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: was Embiid, Paul George, Eric Gordon for certain, sure that's 261 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 2: a little bit intriguing, but those guys missing out a lot. 262 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 2: So you're you're certain about like Tyrese Maxey and then 263 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: the Clippers what Kyrie and the opportunity to chant some 264 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: things at the Clippers. That's probably about me about it, right. 265 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that the Clippers, Yeah, you know, the 266 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Clippers to me, the Clippers and Sixers both. To me, 267 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: the Clippers are the Sixers of the West, right like 268 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: they have They've had all the talent over the course 269 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: of the years, and you just keep you know, you're like, 270 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: what's happened here? 271 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 4: Right? Absolutely? 272 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: That's worth all right? It is Pacers and MAVs tomorrow 273 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: night in Dallas. Scott Agnes will have all of the 274 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: coverage Fieldhouse files. He has been our guest on the 275 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: Java House peel and for guests Lie I met as 276 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: a compliment about your voice, by the way, it's got 277 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: a little base to it. 278 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: This morning. 279 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: I took it that way as well. Maybe it was 280 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: the morning coffee or something. 281 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: I don't know. 282 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: I hope it's from Java House. All right, Scott, appreciate it, 283 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: you bet, Thanks guys. Scott Agnes joining us on the 284 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: guest side, joining us now on the program. He is 285 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: with ESPN dot com. He is, of course the Colts 286 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: beat writer. And it is a week from today that 287 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: the trade deadline hits. And I'm talking about Stephen Holder, 288 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: who joins us on the program. Steven, Let's get right 289 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: to that meat of the matter, and that is, do 290 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: you anticipate within the next week that something will happen 291 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: with the Colts in terms of Chris Ballard trying to 292 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: get more talent on this roster. 293 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 5: I think it's possible. I mean, not a decentative answer, obviously, 294 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 5: but I think they are looking. Okay, now, what does 295 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 5: that mean? They're looking for something that makes a tangible difference. 296 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 5: I mean, I think they have they have a lot 297 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 5: of talent. If they're going to make a move, it 298 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 5: has to be something substantive that is going to move 299 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 5: the needle. And that's kind of where I think they are. 300 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 5: I mean, you're not making a deal just for the 301 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 5: sake of making a deal. And I will say what 302 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 5: I have consistently said, it is not their their way 303 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 5: to make a splash at the trade deadline. That is 304 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 5: the most Unchris Ballard like thing, right, But I really 305 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 5: believe this is a different year if they keep this 306 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 5: up to the number one seed in the AFC. All right, 307 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 5: what more motivation do you need to do something different 308 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 5: than than you might otherwise do. Now that being said, Okay, 309 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 5: let's let's remember these things tend to disappoint, right, these 310 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 5: situations at the NFL trade deadline. It is not MLB, 311 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 5: it is not the NBA. They they're usually much less interesting. 312 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 5: But again we're talking about the Colds, and in their situation, 313 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: I do think there is motivation to do something. So 314 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 5: I'm more I'm more invested in paying attention to this 315 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: than usual. 316 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: I will say that, Stephen, here's a weird angle on this. Okay. Oftentimes, 317 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: I think sometimes offensively speaking, so it's very easy for 318 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: us to sit here and say the Colts need help 319 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: with their pass rush. I get it, or their defensive 320 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: backfield that has been you know, really hurt by injury. 321 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: I get it, And I'm going to go back to 322 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: and I do reference this a lot, but I use 323 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: it as my baseline. You know, in talking to Bill Pollion, 324 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: when those teams were built and they went out and 325 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: got Freenie and mathis on the edges because they knew 326 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: that for three quarters of every game, the likelihood was 327 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: that teams were going to have to be throwing the 328 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: football to keep up with the high flying offense that 329 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning had, and that gave the Colts the ability 330 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: to basically know exactly what they were facing game in 331 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: and game out from a defensive standpoint. Does it temper 332 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: a little bit the need? And I get it the 333 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: fact that this means teams are gonna have to throw 334 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: if this offense continues to play at this level. But 335 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: does it in any way, shape or form temper Chris 336 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Ballard's feeling of necessity of going out and bolstering a 337 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: defense if he knows he's got an offense averaging thirty 338 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: one a game. Or is that a fool's goal to 339 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: buy into that? 340 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 4: Well? 341 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 5: I do think that I will say this, the performance 342 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 5: of the offense is going to lead to some skewed 343 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 5: numbers on defense. 344 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 4: So let's look at it. 345 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 5: For example, I'm looking at it right now, the Colts, 346 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 5: they are twenty fourth in defensive yards per game, so 347 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 5: the number of yards per game they allow, they are 348 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 5: twenty fourth, three hundred and forty five yards. Now, if 349 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 5: you look at, for example, an efficiency rating, which is 350 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 5: for example, expected points added, don't worry about what it means, 351 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 5: but it measures defensive efficiency, they're thirteenth, right, So what 352 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 5: this says is that overall you're getting the job done 353 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 5: better than average. I think the question is we got 354 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 5: to look at it this way, is what question are 355 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 5: we asking? Are we asking is it good enough? Or 356 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 5: are we asking is it super Bowl caliber? And I 357 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 5: think those are different questions. So I don't know what 358 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 5: question Chris Ballard is asking, but I think those are 359 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 5: the two different questions. The question isn't like, can we 360 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 5: get by? They can get by with this defense because 361 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 5: their offense, in part because their offense is so good 362 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 5: and is scoring so many points. And I don't see 363 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 5: that changing substantially. Okay, I think they may. They may 364 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 5: take a slight downturn because of the defenses they face 365 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 5: coming up, but I don't think their offense is going 366 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 5: to fall apart, so they'll get that. The question is though, 367 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 5: is their defense enough to do whatever their goals are now, which, frankly, 368 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 5: the goals should be to win at all. Whether we 369 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 5: think that's realistic or not, that should be the goal 370 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: right now. So if that makes sense, I think it's 371 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 5: a matter of the question, not the not necessary where 372 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 5: they are at the moment. 373 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: Steven, I keep going back to this, you know, when 374 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: I think about the Colts and you know, can they 375 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: win it all? And in the back of my mind, 376 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I keep thinking to myself, well, the Colts are not 377 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: the best team in the league. And then I think, 378 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: but if they're not, who is I mean, who is? Like, 379 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, the Colts haven't played anybody? Okay, as I 380 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: keep saying, if the Colts haven't played anybody, that's fine, 381 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: then who is somebody? And that's my question? Who is 382 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: to somebody? 383 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: A lot of those somebodies quote unquote have two and 384 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 5: three and four losses, right, you know what I mean? 385 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 5: So I would say that the NFL this year is 386 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 5: one of those years where the projections are always wrong. 387 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: Okay. 388 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 5: Let me be Claire as someone and you as well 389 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 5: as people who are in this business, this line of work, 390 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 5: we're very used to being wrong, Okay, And it's okay. 391 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 5: I've come to terms with that. We don't know a 392 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 5: lot before the season starts. But this year, more than most, 393 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 5: we have been and not just us, but everybody has 394 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 5: been far more wrong than usual. All right, Look out 395 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 5: of the Kansas City Chiefs getting it together. Yes, and 396 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 5: I think they're going to be a problem. Right, But 397 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 5: let's talk about you know, for example, I don't know 398 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills. 399 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 4: Are they? 400 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 5: Are you scared of the Buffalo Bills? 401 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: Right now? You know what I mean? 402 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 5: Like a team like that for example, right, So I 403 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 5: just think there's a lot of that. And then you 404 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 5: look at New England like all of a sudden, New 405 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 5: England's a team like oh wait, well wait a minute, 406 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 5: wait they have sort of a semi juggernaut on offense, 407 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 5: and now we've got to pay attention to them. Nothing 408 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 5: makes sense. Down is up and left is right. And 409 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 5: so yes, the Colts in theory, yes they could be 410 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 5: the best team in the NFL. That is, that's actually 411 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 5: a plausible thing, right now. 412 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: The thing about Kansas City and Buffalo and I guess 413 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: I should put New England in this category, Stephen, But 414 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to stick with Kansas City and Buffalo. The 415 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: reason that I get paused with those two teams, even 416 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: though I realize they have been beaten. In Kansas City's case, 417 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: it feels like they're just healthier and they're more in 418 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: stride now. But those are the two teams that I 419 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: feel like offensively can keep up with Indianapolis. And that's 420 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: why that hit me pause. 421 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: I don't think there's any doubt. And the other thing 422 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 5: is experience, right, they have been the hunted before. They 423 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 5: know what that's like, and I think that matters a lot. 424 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 5: The Colts have not Okay, now they have a very 425 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 5: experienced team, and I think that will help them despite 426 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 5: not having a lot of playoff experience per se. But 427 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 5: it is different when you're used to being the team 428 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 5: that everybody gets up for on your schedule, and the 429 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 5: Chiefs have been doing that for five years, right, every 430 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 5: every Sunday they get out of bed, You're somebody's biggest 431 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 5: game of the year. That's the real thing, man, And 432 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 5: I think that's why it's really hard, you know, like 433 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 5: in college football, right, Indiana is like that. Now, how 434 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 5: are they going to cope with that reality? So not 435 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 5: to get a subject, but but that's a real thing, right, 436 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 5: There's a mental thing and an effort thing where you 437 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 5: have to meet your opponent's effort and want to because 438 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 5: they really want to beat you, regardless of you care 439 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 5: about them. So that's a reality. And I think Kansas 440 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 5: City is better equipped to deal with that. The Bills 441 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 5: have dealt with that a little bit. So we'll see, 442 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 5: we will see, And I mean that's going to be 443 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 5: as much of a test as anything. How do you 444 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 5: play as a front runner, because that's a test in itself. 445 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: Stephen Holder is my guest ESPN dot com where you 446 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: can read his work. He is on the Java House 447 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: Peel and Poor guest line. Stephen. It's a little early 448 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: for this, I realized because but we're just now approaching 449 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: the halfway point of the year. Okay. I always say 450 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: the one thing, and it's about the NFL that I 451 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: think this more than any other sport. When the teams 452 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: see comes to an end, oftentimes it comes to an 453 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: end because of things that plugged them that were a 454 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: microcosm of the season in general. Is there any sort 455 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: of a weakness that you can look towards right now 456 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: with this team that you feel like could be the 457 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: one that in fact we are talking about at the 458 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: end of the year as the microcosm that we slept 459 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: on in October. 460 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 5: So I'm going to say something that people might disagree with, 461 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 5: but this I believe this. I think they are the 462 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 5: most complete team in the NFL period, And I know defense, right, 463 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 5: here's what I say. 464 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: What you are. 465 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 5: Seeing on defense now, which as I already outlined, is 466 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 5: not necessarily as bad as it looks when you think 467 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 5: about the actual efficiency of it and what they're getting done, 468 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 5: what you're seeing as a product of injury, They'll get 469 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 5: some guys back. I think the pass rush is not 470 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 5: as bad as people want to think. I think what 471 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 5: you are seeing is a secondary that is a bunch 472 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 5: of practice squad guys who can't defend. 473 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: And that is what it is. 474 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 5: Right as they get healthier, as money Ward comes back, 475 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 5: as maybe Jalen Jones gets going here, possibly this week, 476 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 5: in fact, likely this week, you know they will start, 477 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 5: you would imagine to look like a a more put 478 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 5: together unit. I think that the offense is bulletproof. Who 479 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 5: do you go stop on offense? If you're the opponent, 480 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 5: if you're Mike Tomlin this week, who is the first 481 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 5: name you're putting on the board. 482 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. 483 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 5: You might say Johnson Taylor. Okay, fine, go put eight 484 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 5: in the box and good luck. I'll see you fifty 485 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 5: points later, right right. So, I think they are the 486 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 5: most complete team that defensive line for all we want 487 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 5: to talk about pass rush. I mean, individually, they have 488 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 5: a lot of talent there and when faced with opportunity, 489 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 5: when quarterbacks hold the ball, they get there, right, I mean, 490 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 5: so they're getting it done. And I don't know that. 491 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 5: I look at this team when healthy and say, well, 492 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 5: you know what, Nah, that's what's gonna kill them. You 493 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 5: just gotta go beat them. You've got to be better 494 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 5: than the Colts right now, because they are good top 495 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 5: to bottom. 496 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 4: I'm telling you. 497 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 5: I'm telling you go look at the other best team, 498 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 5: so called best teams in the NFL. I can find 499 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 5: you two, three, four weaknesses. I can't find that with 500 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 5: the Colts. They're the most complete team in the NFL. 501 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: Trade deadline is a week from today. Correct? What is 502 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: it like four pm? 503 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? Typically? 504 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: Yes, So that means we'll hear about what happened at 505 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: like four to ten, right. 506 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 4: Oftentimes? 507 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 5: Yes, But you know that's because when you get a 508 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 5: big deal. They tend to happen at the deadline. That 509 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 5: is true. So we'll see. We'll see if it leaks 510 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 5: early and if and when something happens. But yes, that's 511 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 5: typically what happens. 512 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: All right, Steven Holder will have it all covered. Hopefully 513 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: we'll talk to you between now and then. But we 514 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: shall see. Steven appreciate it, and we will be watching 515 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: at ESPN dot com. 516 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 4: All right, you got it, all right? 517 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: Steven Holder joining us at Java House, Peel and Poor 518 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: gas Line. This song, by the way, I believe, ranked 519 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: by Rolling Stone, is the worst song of the eighties. 520 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: I find it to be a complete banger. To be 521 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: honest with you. When they go to the traffic report 522 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: halfway through this song, I just turn it up and 523 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: blow out the speakers. Nothing like a little built this 524 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: city baby, uh. Java House, Peel and Poor gas Line. 525 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: Java House multiple locations, including in Lafayette, but you don't 526 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: need to go into one. For the best coffee. You 527 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: can use to cod Jake twenty five at Java House 528 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: dot com or simply put in my name on the 529 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: search bar there. That's Jake Query for the bundle which 530 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: includes Liquid Science, Java House, Columbian Coffee and Wrangler Energy. 531 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: Joining now on the gas line is Brian Nubert of 532 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: Golden Black and Friday Night. I'm at dinner. I look 533 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: up Produce playing Kentucky in an exhibition, and they were 534 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: down double digits. I think as many as sixteen at 535 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: one point when I looked up and I thought to myself, 536 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: are we worried about this? Or are we like laughing 537 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: at those that are? And I thought, well, Brian would 538 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: be the perfect person to ask, so I bring them 539 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: on the program. Brian, I'll ask simply that with Purdue 540 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: losing to Kentucky, are we worried about that? 541 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 4: You dare speak ill of Jefferson's Starship? 542 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you that song's a banger, but it's 543 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: listed it's listed as the worst song in the eighties. 544 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: Now your toe was tapping there, be honest right? 545 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: Oh, a little bit, A little bit to your question 546 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 4: about Kentucky. No, I think it was kind of somewhere 547 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 4: in the middle. You know, people people want to find 548 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: things to be concerned about when the A team is 549 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 4: number one in the country. But I think also people 550 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 4: are inclined to understand the moment and tend to laugh 551 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 4: at some of the overreactions. In fact, I see a 552 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 4: lot of media actually framing their coverage as overreactions. I 553 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 4: think that's just kind of the nature exhibition games. But 554 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 4: Purdue doesn't prepare for these things. I told some of 555 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 4: Kentucky's media before the game that Purdue doesn't scout. Purdue 556 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 4: doesn't really fully prepare to win these games. It just 557 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 4: kind of go out there and play, and obviously you 558 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 4: want to win the game. I think it's kind of 559 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 4: misconstrued here that I'm saying that Purdy wants to lose. 560 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 4: But I think if they do lose, the most important 561 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 4: thing is they find positive to take out of losing. 562 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 4: But they concentrate on themselves right up until game time 563 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: and then they just kind of go out there and play. 564 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 4: I think it was evident both of those teams took 565 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 4: a different approach. I don't think anybody wants to lose 566 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 4: on their home floor. So I don't think when Arkansas 567 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 4: did it a couple of years ago, when Creighton did it, 568 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: and obviously now when Kentucky did it, I don't blame 569 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 4: them one bid for fully fully preparing to win those games. 570 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 4: But Purdue is going to take an opposite approach. Perdue. 571 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 4: Matt Painter wants his gay to go on the road, 572 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 4: them to be pushed, wants them to get there, you 573 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 4: know what kicked as as he will tell you that 574 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily mean he wants to lose. He just wants 575 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 4: his team pushed its breaking point, to see what weaknesses 576 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 4: there are and to have them experience failure when failure 577 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: should surface. So I don't think there's really anything to 578 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 4: anything to be concerned about. Kentucky is bigger, longer, and 579 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 4: more athletic than Purdue. That that's breaking news. That's been 580 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 4: true for as long as basketball has been played in 581 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 4: the Commonwealth and in the state of Indiana. But when 582 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: you go back and look at the game and all 583 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: the discussion about how Kentucky's defense really gave Purdue problems, 584 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 4: it did at times only scored sixty five points, But 585 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: when you look at the percentage of times they got 586 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: the shot they wanted, it was astronomical. Perdue mis wide 587 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 4: open threes all day. Krey Coffman ran missed at least 588 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 4: three or four, if not five shots in the first 589 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 4: half alone. He shoots sixty seventy percent on If that's normal, 590 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 4: Perty would have put up would have put up eighty 591 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 4: eighty five points and nobody would be saying anything. 592 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, myself included, are intrigued 593 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: by Daniel Jacobson just because of And it's unfair Brian 594 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: Brian Nubert, our guests from Golden Black. It's unfair to 595 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: immediately say, well, they had Zach Edy, so here's another 596 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: big guy that can just dominate it. You know, there 597 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: might be more talent out of the box with Jacobson 598 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: than you had with Edie. That's not a slight at Edie, right, 599 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: but I mean Edie just his his growth was incredible. 600 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: What did you see from Jacobson against Kentucky in terms 601 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: of area of vulnerability and in terms of areas that 602 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: were of promise. 603 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's obviously not zach Edy level physical presence 604 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 4: quite yet. I mean, he's as tall as zach Edy, 605 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 4: but he's not going to be as as powerful as 606 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 4: strong anytime soon, if not ever in his life. But 607 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 4: with Zachie, you're also talking about a kind of a 608 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 4: kind of a one of one guy here. The thing 609 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: about Daniel Jacobson now is his height and length. The 610 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 4: dunk and the block shot will be part of what 611 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 4: Purdue does it again this year after both were noticeably 612 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 4: absent all last year. Purdue was horrible last season finishing 613 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 4: at the rim. Purdue didn't block any shots after Daniel 614 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 4: Jacobson got hurt. They blocked like one a week maybe, 615 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 4: And if that, I think just having some rim protection 616 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: between him and Oscar Cluff, you know, it's going to 617 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 4: help them defensively. It's going to help their size, is 618 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 4: going to help on the glass, and it Purty becomes 619 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 4: a better rebounding team. That is going to make them 620 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 4: markedly better defensively, and it's going to make them better 621 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 4: offensively too, because I think you're going to see Braden 622 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 4: Smith get into more transition opportunities, which Perdue was really 623 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 4: good at last year but couldn't get into because they 624 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 4: weren't blocking shots, they weren't generating turnovers, and they were 625 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 4: having to fight like hell just to get defensive rebounds 626 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 4: because they were so undersized. So I think Daniel Jacobson 627 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 4: will have an opportunity here, you know, to kind of 628 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 4: keep developing into a really, really good player, but he'll 629 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 4: also be a major contributor this year. I think Oscar 630 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 4: Cloff has been the best thing that could have happened 631 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 4: to him because he's got to practice against this really 632 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 4: physical dude every single day. And when Jacobson's on the floor, 633 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 4: people are going to try to get into his chest, 634 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 4: to negate his length, They're going to try to back 635 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 4: him down. They're going to try to be physical because 636 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 4: when you're tall and you're still relatively skinny, people you know, 637 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 4: sometimes see you as a target's And now he's like 638 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty pounds, he's way better off than 639 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 4: he was last year, but he's still long and looks skinny, 640 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 4: even though his definition of skinny might not be necessarily 641 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 4: necessarily reality. People are going to test him physically and 642 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: he's going to have to be up to it. 643 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: They were out reboundeddue and that exhibition against Kentucky. I 644 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: think it was like forty two thirty or some if 645 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm if I read that correctly. 646 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 4: How big a point the rebound margin there? Well? 647 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, how big a point of emphasis was that? Or 648 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: concern after the game was that from Matt Painter? 649 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 4: Well, if you kind of look at the way the 650 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 4: game played out, I might be taking a little bit 651 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 4: of a different approach to this, but I think it 652 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 4: was a backhanded positive for Purdue defensively that Kentucky had 653 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 4: to shoot twenty nine threes. I don't know what Kentucky's 654 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 4: offensive identity is going to be this year. I don't 655 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 4: know if they know what their offensive identity is going 656 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 4: to be quite yet, because they're still down some guys 657 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 4: and whatnot. But when they have to shoot twenty nine threes, 658 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 4: you're not getting beat for rebounds at the rim every 659 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 4: single time like Purdy was last year. You're getting beat 660 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 4: on some long rebounds. You're getting beat on some rebounds 661 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 4: that you just can't handle for whatever reason. So I 662 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 4: don't think it was the size and physicality, uh, in 663 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 4: terms of the rebounding like it was last year. I 664 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 4: think it was just kind of the way, kind of 665 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 4: the way the game played out. But you can't really 666 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 4: you can't really expect to go in there and really 667 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,280 Speaker 4: really dominate Kentucky as a rebounding team the way Purdy 668 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 4: will probably dominate some of these smaller teams, and they 669 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 4: they will be right there, I'm sure, if not better 670 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 4: than the Texas, Texa, the World, the Iowa States, Alabama, 671 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 4: people like that. I think Purduy is going to be 672 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 4: a good rebounding team this year, I don't. I think 673 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 4: expecting them to be a great rebound team is might 674 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 4: be a little bit much, But I think just getting 675 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 4: to a good rebounding team, get two or three putbacks 676 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 4: a game, just don't have to sell out completely just 677 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 4: to get a defensive rebound. I think it's going to 678 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 4: make a huge difference for them, and I think that 679 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 4: that's going to solve a lot of their problems from 680 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 4: last season. It's going to make them a much better team. 681 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 4: I think Oscar Club is going to be a great 682 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 4: defensive rebounder. I think Daniel Jacobson is going to help 683 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 4: with his length. I think the two of those guys combined, 684 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 4: whether it's Jacobson or Kloff that Kauf mo Reent's playing 685 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 4: next to, I think their blast radius is going to 686 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 4: open up some opportunities for tray coff Morn to become 687 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: a better rebounder. He says he expects to be a 688 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 4: better rebounder. Produe says, we expect him to be a 689 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 4: better rebounder. I think they're kind of challenging him to be, 690 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 4: but I think that stands to reason. You remember how 691 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 4: many offensive rebounds Mason Gillis used to be able to 692 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 4: sneak into when Zach Edy was occupying everybody around him, 693 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 4: and I think that that's kind of the extreme comparison there. 694 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 4: But I think tray Coffin mourn is going to have 695 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 4: some space to operate and some smaller people garden him, 696 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 4: and I think he can be a much better rebounder 697 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 4: now than it was before too. 698 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: Brian, do you find it difficult to remember whether or 699 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: not a certain era is Starship, Jefferson Starship, or Jefferson Airplane. 700 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: They all run together to me, right. 701 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 4: No, because I think they sound distinctly different. I think 702 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 4: Jefferson Airplane sounds distinctly late sixties, and I think Jefferson 703 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 4: Starships sounds shamelessly eighties. 704 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: And built the city though we agree it is a banger, 705 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: right like you like it, you'll turn up. 706 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 4: I used to go to I grew up in New 707 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 4: Jersey and I had season tickets to the New Jersey Devils, 708 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 4: and we built this city. Was actually the song they 709 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 4: played for a while when they were skating out out 710 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 4: on the ice before the game for warm ups, and 711 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 4: it's like forever, It's forever etched into my brain. So 712 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 4: that brought back a lot of memories of some very 713 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 4: bad hockey. 714 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: You and Puddy up in the stands painting the chest. 715 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 4: I love it, man, just trying to support the team. 716 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That's exactly right man. It's the playoffs. 717 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: Brian appreciated as always. Man, we look forward to talking 718 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: to you again. 719 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem, Take anytime. 720 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: Brian Nubert from Goldenblack dot com. I love an obscure 721 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: Seinfeld reference from time to time. 722 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 4: Right,