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Speaker 1: The NFL Owners Meetings are on the horizon. And what

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Speaker 1: I know about that is this, it's the one time

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Speaker 1: each year that the mothership, the four Letter Network, ponies

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Speaker 1: up the cash of nil money to send Steven Holder

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Speaker 1: to go stay in five star exotic resorts, golf, fall

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Speaker 1: you name it. They got all that going on, and

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Speaker 1: it's all within close proximity of where the owners are staying.

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Speaker 1: So it's very important for Steven to be able to

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Speaker 1: put that on the expense report. And he joins us

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Speaker 1: now on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest Line.

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Speaker 2: Steven. That's pretty much how it works at the NFL

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Speaker 2: Owners meetings. Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, you have not lived until you have stayed

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Speaker 3: at the downtown Courtyard Marriott in Phoenix. Okay, let me

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Speaker 3: tell you. Okay, literally, when you talk about luxury, okay,

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Speaker 3: you're talking Courtyard Maria. And by the way, in all seriousness,

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Speaker 3: because so Phoenix and Arizona generally this time of year

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Speaker 3: guess that's wrapping up but sometimes you have this constellation

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Speaker 3: of like spring training, spring break, golf obviously, and it

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Speaker 3: my advice to you is, please go to Phoenix. It's great,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine. Now. The other thing too, is

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's so bad, but coming back from Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: just so you know, like if your flights at six,

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, I'm sure it's going to be something ridiculous. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm bracing for that. I've heard good things and listeners

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Speaker 2: Correct, So bank around that.

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Speaker 1: I was here. I was there like a week ago

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Speaker 1: and it was okay. For that matter, DFW wasn't about either.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, let's get to the owners meeting, Steven, and

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Speaker 1: I want to talk some college basketball with you too.

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Speaker 1: But for the owners meeting, what exactly does take place?

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Speaker 1: I know there are a couple of these over the

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Speaker 3: So it's funny this year, it's really not. It's not

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Speaker 3: one of those years where there's like a single burning

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Speaker 3: Last couple of years, I guess the push push has

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Speaker 3: a lot of it is going to be minor rules changes,

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Speaker 3: Mostly money, okay, because that's what the owners love to

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Speaker 3: that's really what a lot of this is about, is

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Speaker 3: they deal with their business topics. Oftentimes, though you do

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Speaker 3: So For the Colts fans who are following this, I

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Speaker 2: You will Steven with that.

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Speaker 1: And I want to be careful here because I'm not

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not like you to ask questions at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm shock that's right. So look, I think so.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things. Number one, yes, I am not shockingly,

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Speaker 3: no indication, zero indication the cults are doing this. I'm

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Speaker 3: You could raise two, three, four hundred million dollars with

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Speaker 1: So here's my question, Steven, And again this is going

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Speaker 2: Okay, but if you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's right, that's right. That Miami education, right, which

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Speaker 3: That is a great question, and I honestly do not

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Speaker 2: Because here's why I ask you that way. If they

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Speaker 3: That is a great question. I do not know the answer.

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Speaker 3: there is every intention as far as I can tell,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So with all of that said, and I will

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Speaker 1: But with all of that said, it is my I'm

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Speaker 1: ESPN dot com. As we go into this, and we

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Speaker 1: and yes, they took care of their own that's always

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Speaker 1: been a Chris Ballard priority, but they haven't necessarily like

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Speaker 1: and then next year we'll start really in, really starting

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Speaker 1: to inventory the football aspect of it.

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Speaker 3: From a financial perspective to some degrees out what kind

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Speaker 2: You're irretic in other words, like, hey, is football okay?

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say I would I wouldn't say this.

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Speaker 2: Now is this mischievous or genius? That's amazing? That is

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Speaker 2: Okay, final four? Who you got? Oh man?

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Speaker 3: Well, uh, this is a bad question to ask me

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Speaker 3: Is Arizona gonna make it? You think I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know Arizona would have to get well, I mean Arizona's

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Speaker 3: I'm bringing up my bracket here. Excuse me, I mean

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Speaker 3: Yukon looks great. And then, uh, what's what's the other

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Speaker 1: I'm getting the right don't sleep on Florida or excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares about your bracket, but I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: Yukon Houston purduing Michigan. So I'm still in play, baby,

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Speaker 3: For that's saying something that, you know, two weeks in,

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Speaker 2: Weeknd Arkansas is gonna shock Arizona. Who pig sue.

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Speaker 1: There's my pick for you, all right, Owners meetings get

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Speaker 1: underway when Steven.

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Speaker 3: Uh Sunday, So we'll be out there. I'll be out

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Speaker 1: All right, we will look for the coverage of at

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Speaker 2: A pleasure as always, Steven.

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Speaker 1: All right, you got Steven Holder joining us on the

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Speaker 1: Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line. Eddie, you know

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Speaker 2: What we're gonna do is I'm going to do the

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Speaker 1: Exercise that we do. I have the NBA Draft tankathon

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Speaker 2: Scott, are you ready for this? Let's do it all right?

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: With the first pick and the twenty twenty six NBA Draft,

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Speaker 2: What pick?

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Speaker 4: Are they?

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Speaker 2: Scott? Is this your first time on the program. We'll

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Speaker 2: do this again here now, Scott, pay attention. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: NBA Draft, the Indiana Pacers select.

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Speaker 4: Aj Debosa from Byu.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's now, I did it again and it landed

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Speaker 1: them on second. Let's just say for the sake of

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Speaker 1: discussion that Debonsa goes first to Sacramento in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: then Scott, who goes second?

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Speaker 4: Right now, it seems like Darren Peterson I.

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Speaker 2: Know, and I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: You tell me. If I'm crazy, I'm not sold on him.

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Speaker 1: Am I out of my mind?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I think you are like a lot of scouts and

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Speaker 4: league executives that want to learn more. There's it's it

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Speaker 4: feels incomplete to them more than any other of the

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Speaker 4: top prospects.

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Speaker 1: I I watch him, Scott Scott Agnes by the way,

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Speaker 1: a Fieldhouse Files is our guest.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking Pacers here.

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Speaker 1: When I watched Peterson, and people that know a lot

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Speaker 1: more than I, that get paid to do this for

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Speaker 1: a living, seem to love him. Now that's not to

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Speaker 1: say that those people are always right either, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. But when I've watched him, I'm not

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Speaker 1: kidding you, it seems like Scott ninety percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: And I've watched a fair amount of Kansas. But whenever

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Speaker 1: I look up, I'm like, oh, man, Okay, that's a

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Speaker 1: nice move and he's open, and that's a good look.

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Speaker 2: Okay, missed it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, And then I look and him like he's

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Speaker 1: three for eleven in this game. He's he shot forty

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Speaker 1: four percent. I think from the floor. He feels to me.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when the Pacers got Evan Turner and

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Speaker 1: it was like, oh my gosh, lights out, it's over

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Speaker 1: Evan Turner a Pacer, And yeah.

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Speaker 4: He rehired him, hoping he'd be part of a group

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Speaker 4: that took them over the top.

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Speaker 1: Correct and he was a dominant college player, and it

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Speaker 1: just I mean he was in okay, protohum here wrong.

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Speaker 2: He was a nice player, but he was never like

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Speaker 2: an it player.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like Debonsa is a can't miss it player, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it does feel that way one hundred percent. I mean,

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Speaker 4: all these guys, the trickery and all this is, they're

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Speaker 4: just so young and inexperienced, and so you don't have

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Speaker 4: much of a landscape, a canvas to go off of

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Speaker 4: here and so and I think also the challenge has

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Speaker 4: become in college. There's so many people in these players' years,

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Speaker 4: and so you don't know what they're being told, what

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Speaker 4: they're being suggested, what advice they are following. Are they

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Speaker 4: there just for the money? How much do they love

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Speaker 4: the game? Those are the things these executives, more than

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Speaker 4: their game, are just trying to siphon through and figure

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Speaker 4: out before they want to commit something long term. Because

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Speaker 4: here's the thing with a top four pick, With a

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Speaker 4: top pick, you need a sure thing. Now. There obviously

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Speaker 4: aren't any guarantees, right, We've seen that many at times,

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Speaker 4: but this is not picking fifteenth or sixteenth where you

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Speaker 4: hope maybe they could be a starter one day, maybe

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Speaker 4: they could have All Star potential. No, you got to

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Speaker 4: hit on this, especially if it's number one, because the

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Speaker 4: Pacers have never selected there.

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Speaker 1: Not only that, it is amazing that they've never had

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Speaker 1: a player on their roster who had been selected number one,

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Speaker 1: even if it was selected number one by someone else.

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Speaker 2: Right, Listen, we've talked about it a million times.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the karma finally pays them off and

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Speaker 1: they end up in the top four. But let's talk

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Speaker 1: about last night, Scott and the Pacers getting that win

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Speaker 1: in Orlando. Yes, it is relatively meaningless. It means that

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Speaker 1: they are now tied with Washington for the fewest wins

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Speaker 1: still in the NBA, but they are tied.

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Speaker 2: For the worst record, not the worst record overall. What symbolically, though,

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Speaker 2: did that win mean for them?

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Speaker 4: I think, more than anything, Jake, it was a feel

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Speaker 4: good moment for them, a monkey off their back. But

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Speaker 4: at the same time, did you take note of how

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Speaker 4: they play like it was notable to me that the

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Speaker 4: starters are there in crunch time that they all played.

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Speaker 4: Four players played over thirty four minutes. Rotation was tightened

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Speaker 4: to nine, as if it was a playoff game. To me, Jake,

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Speaker 4: this was a group that needed more than a moral

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Speaker 4: victory and they rallied behind Pascal Siakam and got it done.

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Speaker 4: So more than the standings, this is a moment that

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Speaker 4: can help probably get them through these final ten games

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Speaker 4: because that losing streak of sixteen, which is a clearly

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Speaker 4: a franchise record, had been weighing on them.

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Speaker 1: And I thought it was big and symbolic. Scott, and

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Speaker 1: I want you to kind of add to this. I

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Speaker 1: talked about it over the course of the show today.

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Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam is beyond just a very elite low post

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Speaker 1: scorer who could also shoot from the outside. For him

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Speaker 1: to cement that win, it looked like the monkey off

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Speaker 1: the back is a good way of saying it, but

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Speaker 1: it looked like it was Siakam basically saying, we beat

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City there to let them know that we're still here.

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Speaker 2: We beat New York there to let them know that

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Speaker 2: we're still here. But we needed to get a win

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Speaker 2: where we had to dig deep just to show to

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Speaker 2: ourselves that were still here. Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense? I do?

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Speaker 4: I mean, these guys are competitors and that's what helped

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Speaker 4: get them to this level. And so you don't see

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Speaker 4: Pascal wanting to sit and just take it easy the

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Speaker 4: rest of the season. He's on a max contract, they're

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Speaker 4: not in the playoffs. He was still already received his

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Speaker 4: All Star you know, celebration. Nah, he wants to see

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Speaker 4: this thing through. And I think again, he has become

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Speaker 4: the gym that the Pacers, more than the Pacers or

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Speaker 4: any of us knew about or expected with acquiring him.

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Speaker 4: We knew his talents on the floor, but he's not

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Speaker 4: a vocal guy. He's become a vocal guy. Hadn't been

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Speaker 4: a big leader because he hadn't needed to be. He's

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Speaker 4: become just that. And I think as much as the

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Speaker 4: coaching staff challenged them earlier in the day in Orlando,

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Speaker 4: I think these players also collectively said, hey, let's rat

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Speaker 4: We're tired of this. So if they're going to play us,

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Speaker 4: let's make the most of it. And so much of

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Speaker 4: what last season Jake was made up of was not

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Speaker 4: just them getting to the finals. To me, the most

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Speaker 4: memorable thing was about the way in which that team

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Speaker 4: rallied to make these theatrical comebacks. It was, you know,

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Speaker 4: Tyrese Halliburn's four point play in the corner over Milwaukee

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Speaker 4: at the end of the regular season and game winning shots,

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Speaker 4: and they haven't been put in those moments very often

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Speaker 4: this season. They were in this game and I think

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Speaker 4: they were able to kind of feel something again.

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Speaker 1: Moving forward, Scott for the remainder of the season here,

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Speaker 1: do you anticipate that we will see in some cases

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Speaker 1: a continuation, I guess, but a minute restriction for let's

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Speaker 1: say nim Hard, mccadde, Topp and those three. Are they

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Speaker 1: going to keep it where it is right now where

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Speaker 1: you just kind of never know from one game to

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Speaker 1: the next what sort of minutes they're going to get.

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Speaker 4: I think I think relatively that'll be the case, except

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Speaker 4: for Topping is we kind of know it's about eighteen minutes,

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Speaker 4: sixteen minutes or Topping is what Rick Carlisle and the

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Speaker 4: training staff are trying to keep him at the rest

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Speaker 4: of the season that we do know. McConnell's generally around

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Speaker 4: twenty minutes, but he's having to play more. And then Nemhart,

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Speaker 4: I think you're trying to keep him below thirty. But

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Speaker 4: if he's out there, you're wanting to play it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's Nemhart's an interesting one because you know

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Speaker 1: we've seen games before where he's had a really good

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Speaker 1: first half and then.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't even come out in the second half. Right,

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Speaker 2: how have you assessed the way Toppin has looked in

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Speaker 2: his return?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fair question. I think he's been a guy that

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Speaker 4: has the first couple games a little tentative, which is

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Speaker 4: totally to be expected by the way a foot something

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Speaker 4: you use on every movement, and you know he's so

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Speaker 4: dependent on his speed down the floor galloping and then

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Speaker 4: also his high flying finishes. And I think after the

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Speaker 4: first game or two, I think he's really settled in

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Speaker 4: nicely and playing freely out there. And so I think

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Speaker 4: he's been a big piece that we probably have not

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Speaker 4: talked enough about this, even when we talk about the

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Speaker 4: losing streaks and how he's been unavailable most of the way.

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Speaker 1: Scott, last question, I wanted to ask you because you

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Speaker 1: you know, you do cover the Pacers beyond just the

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Speaker 1: x's and o's of the team itself, and I know

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Speaker 1: obviously that what I'm about to mention has to do

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Speaker 1: more with the Simon property group and not with the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean from a transfer of ownership standpoint,

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Speaker 1: and those sorts of things, but just in somebody who

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Speaker 1: has been around the pacers a lot, who has worked

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Speaker 1: within the organization, who knows a lot of the people

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Speaker 1: over there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, yesterday with the loss within the Simon family that came,

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Speaker 1: you know, we learned this story essentially as we were

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Speaker 1: on the air yesterday, I think it was probably just

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Speaker 1: about twenty four hours ago. And the CEO of the

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Speaker 1: Simon Property Group and the son of Melvin Simon, obviously

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Speaker 1: the nephew of Herb Simon, but at the age of

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Speaker 1: sixty four. Yesterday we learned of the passing of David Simon,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know if there's anything that you could add,

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Speaker 1: either from a personal perspective or just what he meant

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Speaker 1: to the family and the family business as well.

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Speaker 2: And that loss towards the city.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think more than anything, we feel it from

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Speaker 4: a city standpoint, and how much the Simons have meant.

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Speaker 4: They're one of our most famous and impactful families. I

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Speaker 4: think right away, you think about Indianapolis, you think about

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Speaker 4: the Simons and what they've done. And obviously David did

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Speaker 4: not have any influence in basketball or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: But to me, Jake, and you'll appreciate this probably more

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Speaker 4: than anyone, as I go directly to the Simon Cancer

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Speaker 4: Center and how impactful that has been for the city,

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Speaker 4: but especially the individuals that have needed that. The mel

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Speaker 4: passed away with cancer and now his son far too

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Speaker 4: soon here at sixty four. But that fifty million dollars

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Speaker 4: boost to that Simon Cancer Center just so impactful, more

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Speaker 4: than I'll ever know, obviously, but it's just so great

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Speaker 4: to have this Simon family, even though I don't know

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Speaker 4: David or anything like that, but an Indie native went

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Speaker 4: to IU Kelly School of Business. So those are the

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Speaker 4: things that I took away.

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Speaker 1: Scott appreciate the time as always. Pacers and Lake Show

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow night. Correct, that's right, yep, Pacers, Lakers Tomorrow night,

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Speaker 1: Field House files, all the coverage.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Scott.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Thanks Jake.

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Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us on the Java House Coldbrew Coffee

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