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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us. Later,

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Speaker 1: Pan africanist, the author, educator, and documentarian, doctor Kevin Shockley

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Speaker 1: will take over our classroom. Doctor Shakie will explain why

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Speaker 1: it's essential for black students to have some sort of

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Speaker 1: afrocentric education. Doctor Sharkiy will also share some techniques the

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Speaker 1: teachers and parents can use to inspire our students. But

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Speaker 1: before doctor Sharckley, holistic doctor doctor Shrida Jad will share

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Speaker 1: the rich history of her father. The father the father

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Speaker 1: built new body products. Doctor Paul Goss was considered by

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Speaker 1: many to be the Dean of Black natural pardic doctors.

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Speaker 1: But to get us started moment, tell her we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go to Benson Harper, Michigan and speak with the reverend

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Speaker 1: ed Pinkney. First, let's get Kevin to open these classroom

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Speaker 1: doors on this Tuesday morning. Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, my man, my man, how

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Speaker 2: you feeling.

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Speaker 3: I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm still learning learning. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 3: it's it's quite an occupation. Should handle things the way

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Speaker 3: life comes at you, and like in the blink of

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Speaker 3: an eye, how quickly things hit us man?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: And today being the seventeenth of February, it just seems

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Speaker 2: like the year is going by real quickly, man. And

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Speaker 2: there are many many souls that have contributed to Black

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Speaker 2: History Month. So again I say Happy Black History Month

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Speaker 2: as it happens right before our very eyes?

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Speaker 5: Am I right about it? What you feel?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 7: Correct?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So I was gonna do a huge news break thing

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Speaker 2: this morning, you know how we do. But what I

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Speaker 2: want to do is cut to my featured spot life

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Speaker 2: for African American History and then share some news that

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Speaker 2: I'm sure many are shocked to hear about. But first,

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Speaker 2: doctor Shirley and Jackson. She was a pioneer who shaped

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Speaker 2: modern telecommunication. She's considered one of the most influential scientists

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Speaker 2: at Bell Labs in the seventies and eighties helped lay

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Speaker 2: the groundwork for technologies that billions of people use every day,

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Speaker 2: including fiber optic cables, caller ID, call waiting, and other

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Speaker 2: telecommunication breakthroughs, and of course caller ID. Remember you could

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Speaker 2: have a device next to your phone and for a

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Speaker 2: you could use for call waiting. Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember those. It's seeing so ancient these days.

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Speaker 5: Right, I know exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's how quickly technology changes and how the times we're living,

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Speaker 2: you know, just it's like reminiscent, are we because that

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Speaker 2: wasn't an easy major either. She went straight for theoretical physics.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of map that makes everybody else want

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Speaker 2: Bell Labs. It's like the laboratory Tony Stark had in

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Speaker 2: She also went to lead the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission

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Speaker 2: she served for more than twenty years. And she's from Washington,

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Speaker 2: good topic for today. And so black history isn't just

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Speaker 5: You know, did you hear of her? Remember her?

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Speaker 1: I vaguely remember her, but I'm not sure I knew

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Speaker 1: all the things that she does. So I want to

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Speaker 1: share that for you with thank you for sharing that

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Yeah, right, right, and now and then for this moment,

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Speaker 2: there's some sad news. I'm sad to announce that the late,

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Speaker 5: It just threw me off, as you can tell.

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Speaker 2: It just kind of threw me off at the American

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Speaker 2: at the age of eighty four, confirmed by his family

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Speaker 2: And man, it was a lot to talk about when

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Speaker 1: Share that, Yeah, yeah, because you know, last week we

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Speaker 1: talked about when Mandela got released, and he called me

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna get Mandeale out of jail.

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Speaker 1: But prior to that, though, Kevin, when when the Reverend

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Speaker 1: and some of you may recall when he got in

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Speaker 1: trouble for using the term Heimietown. And this was the

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Speaker 7: That was the speech that he gave. It was well written.

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Speaker 1: He was sort of apologizing for, you know, talking about

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Speaker 1: describing New York as Heimietown. But prior to that, though,

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Speaker 2: What I remember is he certainly had a fantastic image man,

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So so Reverend Pinkney, what were you saying

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Speaker 9: Pink Well, you know, I was born in Chicago, born

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Speaker 9: it was in nineteen sixty eight, Martin Luther King had

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Speaker 1: sad to report the passing of Reverend Jesse Jackson, one

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, because you know so many things during that period

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Speaker 9: You would think that didn't Harbor at that time we

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Speaker 1: That's how it started. It was a hot August day.

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Speaker 9: Don't absolutely absolutely uh. And during that period of time,

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Speaker 9: Detroit was uh something that he he was ever, you know,

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Speaker 9: But I remember him more. But when he, like you said,

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Speaker 14: Was an incredible person.

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Speaker 9: And uh, some people like him, some people didn't. Black

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Speaker 7: But yeah, you're right, I gotta concurrent with you.

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Speaker 9: to uplift them and also changed the way people thought

443
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Speaker 9: about us. You know, right now, even today, a lot

444
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 9: of times white people don't feel a lot of black

445
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 9: people don't care how you know, even as like Obama

446
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 9: has been president, they don't really think a lot it.

447
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 9: But I think with Jesse, Jesse would have turned that

448
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 9: cable and Jesse would have made made himself known.

449
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Speaker 2: You know, wasn't Jesse the one that I guess energized

450
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Speaker 2: the idea of being called African Americans?

451
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Speaker 16: Uh?

452
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Speaker 5: Wasn't that his idea? Correct me?

453
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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know whether that was his idea or not.

454
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 9: I can't honestly remember, Uh, but I can also remember him, like, uh,

455
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 9: when James Brown brought out I'm black and I'm proud

456
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 9: and all this, you know, Uh, he took that and

457
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 9: ran with that. I remember that. I remember how different

458
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 9: things when it came to black people that, Uh, Jessey

459
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 9: came out. You know, he wanted people to know that

460
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 9: he was black and uh, and he was black, and

461
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 9: he was proud and and I think that was that

462
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 9: innerjazzed us all. You know, we don't we don't get

463
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 9: that too much.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because in that movie, the Summer of that movie

465
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Speaker 2: about the Summer and there that big concert and Jesse

466
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: Jackson came out with the with the staple singers.

467
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the watch Stacks. They made a movie out of it.

468
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: Well there was watch Stacks and there was also the

469
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Speaker 2: Summer of sixty nine movie as well.

470
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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I saw that right right, he.

471
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Speaker 2: Was in both of those and that's where he held

472
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Speaker 2: up the fists. And you know, I am somebody you know,

473
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Speaker 2: and that call return and tell us how you're feeling

474
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Speaker 2: about that of Reverend Pinkney.

475
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Speaker 9: Oh you know what, I'm excited about that because I'm

476
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Speaker 9: telling it, that took us to a whole new level, you know,

477
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 9: And and nobody has ever came out and actually spoke

478
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Speaker 9: on that level and referenced to black people. Martin Luther

479
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 9: King was the more of a humble guy. But my

480
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Speaker 9: Retheriden Jesse Jacket, he gave you the Blacksmiths, you know,

481
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 9: you know, black power you know. That's that's how I feel,

482
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 9: you know, I am somebody you know, you know, whatever

483
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 9: it is, and and that's what we need. We need

484
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 9: to focus that right now. We need to be echoing

485
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 9: that right now, I am somebody, you know. And and

486
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 9: don't go on this narrative that they they got us

487
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Speaker 9: thinking that we're enough and all this kind of stuff.

488
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Speaker 9: We are special, we are this And Jeffy is going

489
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Speaker 9: to be missed, you know, regardless of the last couple

490
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Speaker 9: of years he's been down and uh uh, but he

491
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Speaker 9: will be missed.

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Speaker 8: We we what we.

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Speaker 9: Got to do. We got to take that uh, that

494
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Speaker 9: ball right now and run with it. We gotta show him,

495
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 9: uh and show the world that you know that, uh,

496
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Speaker 9: we're gonna We're gonna run on his back even though

497
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 9: he's no longer here. We got to get out here

498
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Speaker 9: and do the things that need to be done. And

499
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 9: we better do it, you know. And we better to

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Speaker 9: get out here and change everything the whole narrative that

501
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Speaker 9: they they talk about us and and and lived there

502
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Speaker 9: that I am somebody that's right all right.

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Speaker 1: Twenty seven away from the top. He let me just

504
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Speaker 1: share another personal tip with with Reverend Jackson as I

505
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Speaker 1: told you about that trip to South Africa to get

506
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Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela out. On the way there, we stopped at

507
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Speaker 1: ten Down and Shoot, which is like the White House

508
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Speaker 1: for the UK meet with Margaret Thatcher. And if you'd heard,

509
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: then we stopped in Zambia, uh with Kenneth Cohnder. We

510
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: flew on his private plane to Johannesburg. At that time,

511
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: the airport was called jan Smut's Airport because we were

512
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Speaker 1: still under apartheid or apart eight as the correct pronunciation is.

513
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: And then after Mandela got reallyed, she thought it was

514
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Speaker 1: all over. So we think we're going back to New York.

515
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Speaker 1: No stopping in Namibia because well it wasn't Ambia, man,

516
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: it was part of Rhodesha. And met with sam Umoja

517
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: and he turned out later to become the leader of Namibia.

518
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: And he and Jesse, you know, discussing how to make

519
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: that move to make them free. And then when we

520
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: got to New York, he's the Keith family. Got to

521
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: New York, we didn't go through the regular customs where

522
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: they check you and all that, because we were Reverend Jackson.

523
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: So some guy from Customers comes up. He takes our

524
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: passports and looks at him and then and then against

525
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: Jesse's passport, and I said, Jessy got a black passport.

526
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: You know, we got a blue passport. Everybody's got to said, wow,

527
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: Jesse got a diplomatic passport. He's a diplomat. That's that's

528
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: that's the respect that he got we had. You know,

529
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: they just waved us through because we were with part

530
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Speaker 1: of that group. And Karen, I'm like, wait a minute,

531
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Speaker 1: this don't happen. You know, I've been through customs, have

532
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: been out of the country. You have been through the

533
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: airport and and all the the stuff they put you through.

534
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: They just looked at us to look at that passports

535
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: and gave Jesse back his black passport.

536
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 7: And just waved us through.

537
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, that would never happen flying

538
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: by myself, right, but go ahead, you were.

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Speaker 5: The uncourage, you know. And look I looked it up.

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Speaker 2: The movie where Jesse was in other than Watch Stacks

541
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: was it was called The Summer of Soul, and he

542
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: introduced Mahelia Jackson and the Harlem Cultural Festival. And then

543
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: that's when he paid a tribute to doctor Martin Luther

544
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: King because the assassination hadn't long happened. So that's the

545
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: other film that Jesse Jackson is famous for those who

546
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Speaker 2: want to look back and maybe pay tribute to the

547
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: late great Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Here's another thing to Kevin. Not only was he close

549
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: to Enter Tanners and ballplayers because you know he likes

550
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: sports a lot. You see pictures of him and Marvin

551
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: Gaye playing basketball, him and Minister fire count as well.

552
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: He was close to the members of the nation because

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Speaker 1: remember when he first run, Reverend Pey he may recall

554
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: this Reverend Pigney when he first run started running, and

555
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: because of what he said about Heimitown, describing New York

556
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: as Heimitown, and he asked for a federal protection, they

557
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't give him. The Democrats wouldn't give him. Well, the

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00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: Next of Islam, the Fruit of Islam says, wherever you go,

559
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: Reverend Jackson, when you campaign, we'll have Reverend Minister fire

560
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: Kins says, we'll have about people there to protect you.

561
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: If the United States won't protect you, we'll have our

562
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Speaker 1: people to protect you. I thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 9: Oh you know, you know what, that that was huge,

564
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 9: you know, Uh, Jesse had made a statement about about

565
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 9: the Jewish people, and when he made that statement, they

566
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 9: withdrew their support from Jesse and and the Democratic Party

567
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 9: was also part of that. They did not want Jesse,

568
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 9: They did not want Jesse to run. They were uh

569
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Speaker 9: uh saying if I'm correcting abut this, they were saying

570
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 9: themes not only behind Jesse back also to his states,

571
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 9: you know, about him and what they was going to

572
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 9: do and all this, all this kind of stuff. I

573
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 9: remember my dad saying, he said, well if if if, if,

574
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 9: if Jesse wins, They're gonna assassinate him. That's that's what

575
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 9: my dad said. And uh they is wear here because

576
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 9: they said he said that they would not want a

577
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 9: black man in that over office for any reason. And Jesse,

578
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 9: especially the way Jesfsey taught me, you know, Jesse was

579
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 9: you know, he didn't hold back on his words. I

580
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 9: mean when he spoke, he spoke, and he didn't you know,

581
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 9: at that past, he didn't care what was that long

582
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 9: as was the truth in his eyesight. And I think

583
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 9: DAK was one of the biggest things that I take

584
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 9: away from that. And I remember how my dad used

585
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 9: to always talk about how everybody got to get out

586
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 9: and bowld and do all everything they can. They helped

587
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 9: Jesse and different things like that, but Jesse was his

588
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 9: own man.

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Speaker 1: Right there, Raf We're gonna step aside and check the

590
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: latest news. Family, just waking up, sad news to report

591
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: the passing of Reverend Jesse Jackson. They passed away early

592
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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 7: I want to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about Reverend Jackson. You have a

595
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: chance the meeting or what you heard about Reverend Jackson.

596
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Revd. Jackson's passion? You can

597
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: reach us an eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take you a phone calls

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Speaker 1: after we check the news. That's next and grand rising,

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Speaker 1: Family and fans for joining us on this Tuesday morning.

601
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Speaker 1: A sad note to on this Tuesday morning, the passion

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Speaker 1: of Reverend Jesse Jackson. So far, we want to hear

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Speaker 1: from you if you had a chance to meet Reverend Jackson,

604
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: ran into Reverend Jackson. So far, we've been talking about

605
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: all the good things they did, but there were some

606
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: negative parts of his legacy that's still out there. So

607
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: we know we're not gonna try to lionize him without

608
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, overseeing those as hell, so we're going to

609
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: talk about that as well. Our guest is Reverend Pigmy,

610
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: just like Reverend Jackson. He's an activist pastor. He's based

611
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: in Beton Harbor, been trying to get clean water for

612
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: his citizens. What are your thoughts family about Reverend Jackson?

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00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six before we take a call,

615
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: So let me just remind you come up later this morning,

616
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Speaker 1: we're gonna speak with author, educator and document hearing doctor

617
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Shockley. Also holistic doctor Shrida will join us, and

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Speaker 1: lately this week you're gonna hear from psychologist doctor Jeromy

619
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Speaker 1: Fox and also nature paddic doctor and traditional doctor doctor

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00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: A will be with us. So if you are in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: please keep your radio lock team tied on ten ten

622
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Speaker 1: w OLB or if you'm a DMB family were on

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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen WL All right, Sister for Him is joining

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Speaker 1: I said she wants to be grabb Reverend Jackson, Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising and Sister for Heima with Reverend Peatney.

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Speaker 17: Yes, good morning mister Nelson's and greetings Reverend Pete Pinkney

627
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Speaker 17: and Kevin.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I first, I want to start said, one of the

630
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Speaker 17: first persons I had an opportunity to vote for as

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Speaker 17: a young person was that black man, Reverend Jesse Lewis Jackson.

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Speaker 17: And I have had fond memories of Reverend Jackson. I

633
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 17: had an opportunity not only to just vote for him,

634
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Speaker 17: but to have met him a number of times. But

635
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Speaker 17: I just wanted to share. First off, people need to

636
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 17: understand that he was amongst the stick the students that

637
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Speaker 17: Martin Luther King had mentioned. I don't think he went

638
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 17: on to become part of Snick, but he was. He

639
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 17: stayed with King, but he was a contemporary of Julian Bond,

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00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 17: Kwame Torrey, and John Lewis and Andrew Young. He was

641
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Speaker 17: amongst those young people, the college students that were around

642
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 17: Reverend Reverend King, who were mentored by him. I remember,

643
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Speaker 17: as I said, I voted for Reverend Jackson as a

644
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 17: young person, the first person I had an opportunity. I

645
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 17: think it was the first year I voted when he

646
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 17: ran for elections, and of course he won the nomination.

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Speaker 17: The the he won, he was amongst the contender, right

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Speaker 17: he was. I think he got he the second in

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Speaker 17: eighty eight and I also had was the first person

650
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 17: I ever contributed to their political campaign. But he was

651
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 17: a fixture around the Congressional Black Caucus. I had an

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00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 17: opportunity to see him on a number of occasions. He

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00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 17: was a very large statueus larger than life individual And

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00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 17: one of the fondest memories is he was involved one

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Speaker 17: of the last things he did when the students had

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Speaker 17: their last protest. I think it was in twenty twenty

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Speaker 17: one at Howard University. He was there at the Blackborn

658
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Speaker 17: Center to give encouragement to those students. And he was

659
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 17: also a hostage negotiating. This is the reason why he

660
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 17: was somewhat considered a good will ambassador and representing the

661
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 17: defacto leader of black people is because he was a

662
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 17: postive negotiated able to use diplomacy to get hostage released

663
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 17: from Syria, Yugoslavia and Iran and a lot of people

664
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 17: they talked a lot of stuff about Reverend Jackson.

665
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 9: He was a human being.

666
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 17: He was an impersonct person, but he was a human being,

667
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 17: and if we were to look none of us are perfect.

668
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 17: Even Martin the King was not a perfect individual. But

669
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 17: I think he lived a life well done coming from

670
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 17: humble beginnings, and he will remain in the annals of history.

671
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 17: And I just am pleased that I have the opportunity

672
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 17: on this journey in life to have voted for him

673
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 17: and to have shared this space on the planet with

674
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 17: this man who gave a contribution to black people in

675
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 17: the world. And I'll just leave it at dead.

676
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, Sister fa Reverend Pigny. She mentioned that he

677
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: was a human being. And one of the things that

678
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: the detractors of Reverend Jackson after the assassination of doctor Kingdom,

679
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: people are wondering how Jesse got out, and you know,

680
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: Memphis was closed down and all of that, and we

681
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: know the story. You don't have to beat the story.

682
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: But I wanted to get to your thoughts on that

683
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: episode where Reverend jacksons and people see it as a

684
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: scar on his legacy. Your thoughts about that. Do you

685
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: remember pick me steel webs Kevin Apparently we've uh.

686
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 18: Do you hear me?

687
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, we can hear it? Now go ahead, rab.

688
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 9: You know I'm always uh. You know, people are always

689
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 9: looking for a reason uh not to like you, rather

690
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 9: than a reason to like you.

691
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 10: Now, they're not all not all.

692
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 9: See, that's the most important thing what I what I

693
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 9: always thought about Jesse was that if you call him here,

694
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 9: come and and and by being in Benson Harbor, you know,

695
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 9: we called him. We are ninety miles from Chicago, and

696
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 9: uh we was always sure that he would come. And

697
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 9: that incident is like and when you speak about Memphis,

698
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 9: you know, people always put him out there as he

699
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 9: was an agent, he was an informant and stuff like that.

700
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 9: People say anything, you know, they say anything to to

701
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 9: to wreck you as a person, because that's what the

702
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 9: white media wants.

703
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 12: You see.

704
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 9: They want to find a reason for you not to

705
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 9: like somebody rather than the reason to like him. That's it.

706
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 9: I take my hat off to Jesse. I can tell

707
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 9: you that right now, I take my head off, and

708
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 9: I'm proud to have known him actually shut down and

709
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 9: talk with him, not once twice, but I was in

710
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 9: maybe twenty thirty times that I had an opportunity to

711
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 9: actually sit down and hold a conversation with Jesse. And uh,

712
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 9: he would always have a place in my heart because

713
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 9: he was he was a black man. He was a

714
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 9: black man, black man. I can tell you that right now,

715
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 9: he was. He was right there when you needed him.

716
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 9: He was always he will always come. And and we

717
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 9: had so many answer that. And Jesse show also he

718
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 9: showed up when I went to prisonent forcluding the Bible.

719
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 9: You see, a lot of people didn't show up for that,

720
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 9: but Jenny did, mins a little fair kind did, and

721
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 9: and and the Catholic Church.

722
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 11: I just say that they showed up.

723
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 9: But the point is, Jense, he will come if you called,

724
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 9: you know.

725
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: At nine, away from the topic, he said something that's

726
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: really profound. He says, people always look for a reason

727
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: to dislike you. And this is one of the questions

728
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to put to psychologrist doctor Jeremy Fox, especially

729
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: black folks. One they look for one negative thing to

730
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: say about you. They'll see negative things about your rugu

731
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: or the colonizers, but they bypassed that. But if they

732
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: find one imperfection or a perceived imperfection on a black person,

733
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: they take and they run with it. And I'm glad

734
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: you pointed that out. And that's that's got to be

735
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: some sort of emotional failure or something. Maybe it's a

736
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: question for doctor Fox when he joins just later this week,

737
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: because I'm noticed with a lot of black folks, you know,

738
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: they don't criticize it, I rugu. But if the black

739
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: person does something, man, they're.

740
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 7: All over it.

741
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: They reposted that even if it's incorrect. You know, they

742
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: just they just love the emballas you They just love that.

743
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: There's some illness right there that we have to deal with.

744
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: So I'm leave that to doctor Fox. He's gonna be

745
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: here before the end of the week. Family eight minutes

746
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: away from the top of the are just waking up

747
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: with just join us to just want to report to

748
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: you that Reverend Jester Jackson made his transition early this morning,

749
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: and this is what we're discussing with Reverend Ed Pinckney

750
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: from Benton Harbor, Michigan. Reverend Pickney's kind of like Reverend

751
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: Jackson's an activist pastor. You know, it's not the guys

752
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: that you see just sit around to show up every

753
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: Sunday and just preach. These guys go out there in

754
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: the streets and make a difference. What are your thoughts?

755
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to seventy

756
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: six gets you in. Cliff call Us from Connecticut, he's

757
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: online too, Grand Rising Cliff, your army. Reverend Pinckney.

758
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 18: The colin to the rest grand rising, and they should

759
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 18: think of the call. Certainly, my heart goes out to

760
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 18: the family. Listen to wv WN and Jesse Junior. He

761
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 18: was He frequent the radio station quite often, and he

762
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 18: was the one taking care of his dad, you know,

763
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 18: So my heart goes out to the family. And certainly

764
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 18: he was activist. So I appreciate that and respect that

765
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 18: as of today. With any black preacher that has the

766
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 18: courage to stand up against any type of administration and

767
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 18: to speak on behalf of our people, then let me

768
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 18: say this. He was the one the first one to

769
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 18: run for the presidency, Am I correctness?

770
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: First man, well, Shirley Chisham did back in the day, chiasm,

771
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: but he's the first black man, go.

772
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 11: Ahead, right exactly.

773
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 18: And and the only negative thing, well not negative, you know,

774
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 18: it's surely is definitely not an issue to me. But

775
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 18: they caught him saying HEINDI town. You know what I'm saying.

776
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 18: So if they want to use anything for black people,

777
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 18: just a statement like that, you know what I mean,

778
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 18: and you know, which.

779
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 14: Is certainly unwarranted.

780
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 18: And you know that's all you got in in comparison

781
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 18: to this administration. You know, Marharschols up to the family,

782
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 18: and I'm glad he had the courage to run for

783
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 18: the presidency. He is certainly a role model.

784
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 8: Face a thick of my car.

785
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: Thanks Clip and Reverend Painney somem just remind me that

786
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: Dick Gregory once had a run. I'm not quite sure

787
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: how serious he was if he had set up like

788
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: Reverend Jackson was really more set up to run as

789
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: a candidate, official candidate with different headquarters in different states

790
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: that I know. Greg did not do that. He said

791
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: he was just gonna run and just mention it with people.

792
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: You know, being a comedian, there were people who we

793
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: know what didn't know with Greg. Greg was trying to

794
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: be funny or really serious, but he's probably serious unfunny

795
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: at the same time. And also Shirley Chisholm, she if

796
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: she had the framework set up that Reverend Jackson says,

797
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: how would you comment on that first for a second?

798
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 9: Rep Well, well, you know, I believe that resbend and

799
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 9: Jesse Jackson was a serious candidate. I think he came

800
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 9: in second in eighty eight as a candidate, but he

801
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 9: was the.

802
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 19: Uh one of them.

803
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 9: He really got black people out the boat. See this

804
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 9: is what what everybody is listening black people was We

805
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 9: wasn't just out outboden uh during that period period of time.

806
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 9: But like they did once Jesse started running, he runs,

807
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 9: Jesse run that that you know, that was uh uh.

808
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 9: The models that that they were using, and and and

809
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 9: and we we look, we got to see. Look, we

810
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 9: got to give him his props, you know, we got

811
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 9: the we got to say things even now, you know,

812
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 9: don't we don't need to try to criticize what he

813
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 9: didn't do. We got to concentrate on what he did

814
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 9: to you see, we as black people, let the white

815
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 9: folks cut them up because they don't do that. They

816
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 9: don't find a reason. But we as black people, we

817
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 9: got our heroes. Let's not you know, let's not give

818
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 9: up the shild you know, Let's let's stay focused and

819
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 9: then also make sure our children know about this. Let's

820
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 9: talk about it. Let's go on and on and on

821
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 9: and talk about all the good things that he's done.

822
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 8: That one in eighty four in the run in that

823
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 8: was awesome.

824
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 9: That was tremendous. That Jam the Troupe had changed my life.

825
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 9: I can pay you that much.

826
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome, and I can remember that very

827
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: clear You're right, it got black people. You know, for

828
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: the most part, we were just like, okay, you know,

829
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: we never see a black man run for the president.

830
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: This is pre Obama family. Some of the young folks

831
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: don't understand what with Reverend Pinckney and I are discussing

832
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: that the whole Black community across the country was energized.

833
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: People were registering to vote because we want to. You know,

834
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: if we want to support Reverend Jackson, we never really

835
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: not it's a vanity runner or now well, the possibility

836
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: of him winning, but it's the fact that we could

837
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: show people that we can vote too, and we can

838
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: support our own I think this is what Reverend Pinckney

839
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: was trying to say. I'll let you explain that when

840
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: we get back. And also Reggie Maryland wants to join

841
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: the conversation family. You two can get in on this

842
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: conversation about Reverend Jesse Jackson. He's just joined us. Reverend

843
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: Jason made his transition early this morning. He was eighty

844
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: four years old. And were discussing the life and times

845
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: of Reverend Jesse Jackson. What are your thoughts about the

846
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: reverend reach out to us at eight hundred four or

847
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your

848
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: phone calls after we check the traffic and weather and

849
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: the news. That's next. He was eighty four years old.

850
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about Reverend Jackson. You can reach

851
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six,

852
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: and Red before we left for the traffic up there,

853
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: has mentioned that Reggie was waiting for us, calling for Maryland.

854
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: You want to speak to us about the Reverend Jackson

855
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: grand Rising. Reggie is Reggie there? Weally, yeah, go ahead.

856
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 7: Reggie.

857
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 12: Grand Rising. Brother Quasi man, it's hard work, but you

858
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 12: know somebody has to do it. My brother quays you

859
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 12: said it earlier. You know, there's basically you said, there's

860
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 12: a good, the bad, and the ugly. And I'm just

861
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 12: I was once a proud man to honor Jesse Jackson.

862
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 12: Loved him, worshiped the ground he walked on. But then

863
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 12: let's not be hypocritical, because just as when doctor King's

864
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 12: birthday and you had brother Sadiki and many others on

865
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 12: we reflected on the ugly side that we were all

866
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 12: disappointed about. You know, we loved the brother. He made

867
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 12: us feel proud to be black, but then he disappointed

868
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 12: us when we found out his involvement in doctor King's assassination.

869
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 12: On the other side, we talked about it on this show.

870
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 12: People chimed in and today I honored the revolutionary and

871
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 12: Kalid Muhammad who died on this day, who never done

872
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 12: anything against black people, never, and I honor him today.

873
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 12: And many of us have conflict in our stomachs because

874
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 12: because college beats Jesse Jackson up for years and for

875
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 12: him to show up when you brought Attorney Auto Matters

876
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 12: on this show and he told us Steve Cochley and others,

877
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 12: why would he show up and why did he come?

878
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 12: And was called to the death side in the hospital

879
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 12: of Calige Muhammad. We couldn't understand. Was he sent there

880
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 12: to make sure the work was done? So we have

881
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 12: we have many conflicts about the brother. We love him

882
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 12: on one side and we hate him on the other

883
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 12: because of these things. And we can't.

884
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: We're going in overtime and and and thank you for

885
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: your summation, and thank you for being candid too. I'm

886
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: gonna let Reverend Pinkney respond to that. Reverend Reggie listen, yeah,

887
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: we Lord, Reverend Joshu. But there are some faults that

888
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: some people still cannot overlook. So Reverend pick May, I'll

889
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: let you address that. Thanks reg thanks for your car.

890
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 9: Here's the thing in reference to that, I understand. But

891
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 9: none of us, not one of us, is perfect. We

892
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 9: continue to do the things that need do. Jesse did

893
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 9: some great things, and he may have done some bad things.

894
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 9: But what I'm going to do, I'm going to dwell

895
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 9: on all the good things that he done and the

896
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 9: changes he made. You know, I can't say whether he

897
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 9: was part of what happened to Martin Luther King. I

898
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 9: can't say that because I wasn't there and I don't

899
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 9: have it thinking. But I will say things that he

900
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 9: had did for the city of Benton Harbor, uh, the

901
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 9: things he gave for us in Chicago when I lived

902
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 9: in Chicago, and I'm those are my memories that I'm

903
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 9: going to stick with right now. And I'm not some

904
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 9: of the bad things he's done. I'm not disagreeing with

905
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 9: none of that.

906
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 18: You know, it is what it is.

907
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 9: But in my eyesight, I wanna thank him for coming

908
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 9: to the city of Vinton Harbor where we needed him

909
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 9: the most, and he came here and he showed out

910
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 9: he showed the power, and we're gonna continue to remember

911
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 9: him on that level. And like I said, I understand

912
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 9: there's a lot of it's gonna be a lot of

913
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 9: negative stuff coming out about him. Now he's gonna they're

914
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 9: gonna you're gonna hear some stuff that you've never heard before.

915
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 9: But let's let's do this on this day. Let's just

916
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 9: concentrate on some of the good things he did and

917
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 9: then we can deal with all the bad things greater.

918
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 9: I'm willing to do that, and I will do that

919
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 9: because they gonna say there's gonna be some bad things

920
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 9: said about me when I'm just seeking. But I am

921
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 9: who I am. I can't change that, and I'm happy

922
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 9: with the life that God has given me. And I

923
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 9: will continue doing what I can't do to save our people.

924
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 11: And I do it right now.

925
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, and we thank you before we let you go.

926
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: Though you've been fighting to get clean water in bench

927
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: and Harber, Michigan.

928
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 7: How's that fight.

929
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 9: We have four lawsuits, we have won two of them already,

930
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 9: and here's the deal they understood. The judges reported that

931
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 9: the mayor of Benon Harbor intensely to see the people

932
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 9: and to allow them to drink that bad water. As

933
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 9: two judges said that in reference to him, that normally

934
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 9: willfully with the intent, and they put that word intent

935
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 9: in there, and that have propelled us to a whole

936
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 9: different level. And we're out. I'm out right now this morning.

937
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 9: I'm going to be out installing water filters into everyone home.

938
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 9: We so far we have done over three hundred since

939
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 9: the start of the year, and we're gonna continue doing

940
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 9: it and making sure that people do not drink that water,

941
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 9: that water with all the lead in it. And we're

942
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 9: we're fighting. The fighting is the fight is still here

943
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 9: and it's still real, and we want to stay focused.

944
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 9: We're gonna move on and we want to thank God

945
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 9: for for just just being alive today. You know, Uh,

946
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 9: after the depth of Jesse, we want to stay focused.

947
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 9: So yeah, we you know, the water, the water is

948
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 9: coming coming into a head. We've been forcing the I'm

949
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 9: trying to make the people whole. I stay here. The lawsuits.

950
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 9: I went out and got lawyers of people and uh,

951
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 9: we we're gonna, you know, we're gonna make them pay

952
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 9: for the damage they did. And I'm going to try

953
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 9: to make the residents have bench in Harbor hohole.

954
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 11: I'm doing all I.

955
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: Can, all right, and we're behind you, still standing fight.

956
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: And thank you for sharing your thoughts with us this morning,

957
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: and thank you for having me.

958
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 7: Family.

959
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: That's Reverend ed Pinckney from Benton Harbor, Michigan. And you know,

960
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: we just altered the conversation because of the death of

961
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: Reverend Jesse Jackson that was announced this morning. Reverend Jackson

962
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: passed away at eighty four years old. And our next

963
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: guest coming up natural patic doctor doctor Sharida yes Ze,

964
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: doctor Sharda grand Rising. Welcome to the programing.

965
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 14: Greetings, Happy your day. How are you, Carl.

966
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 7: I'm good. I'm still learning.

967
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot, learn a lot about people, learn

968
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: a lot by myself, learn a lot about different events.

969
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 1: It's a constant engagement that I'm involved in, still learning.

970
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 9: How are you doing, I'm doing well, doing well.

971
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 14: Rise in power, Reverend Jessine. Wow, I just woke up

972
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 14: to that.

973
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know your father.

974
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: We were going to talk about your father, Doctor Goss

975
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: Paul Gallas who family and those of you who don't

976
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: know Doctor Paul. It's the dean of naturopathic Doctors, Black

977
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: naturopathic doctors in the entire country. You made a naturopathic doctor.

978
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: And then you know, and I talked to your dad

979
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, do you know so he said, yeah,

980
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: that's my student and he's a well known naturopathic doctors

981
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: across the country.

982
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know your dad.

983
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: I met Jesse Jackson and because I know he worked

984
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: in Minister Foca And we're going to talk about that

985
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: later as well. But get us started about your dad.

986
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: How did he build this this uh, this this empire,

987
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: this this holistic empire that he built in Compton.

988
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 14: Yes, well, he had a background in biochemistry and he

989
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 14: got into herbalism. I actually got into erbalism real young

990
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 14: because he used to pick herbs for two herbalism. One

991
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 14: they called the witch doctor and the other one was

992
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 14: called the herb Lady. He would do it, you know,

993
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 14: for money. They tell him, go pick some catnet, bring

994
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 14: it back, and he would. They would do stuff like

995
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 14: maybe buy his books and you know, maybe by a

996
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 14: cult or something like that. And so that's where he

997
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 14: kind of got his it to start with the dealing

998
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 14: with herbs and plants and things like that. But as

999
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 14: he became a biochemisty worked for some companies that would

1000
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 14: said there would like biological warfare and things like that,

1001
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 14: and that to the point where he was making you know,

1002
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 14: herbal medicine for like rich people. And then he said,

1003
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 14: you know what, I can't do this anymore. I got

1004
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 14: to be able to take care of my own people.

1005
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 14: So he left a job that was paying him seventy

1006
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 14: thousand dollars in the seventies and the early seventies. I

1007
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 14: can't imagine what that would be today, and you know,

1008
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 14: took a chance on you know, doing his own thing

1009
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 14: as opening up a health food store and then which

1010
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 14: is New New Earth Health Boots. I'm here in Compton, California,

1011
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 14: and then also the New Body Products, which is a

1012
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 14: network marketing company. We have over twenty thousand distributors worldwide.

1013
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 14: We have over one hundred and thirty products. And the

1014
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 14: way he got started, you know, just like today, it's

1015
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 14: hard for us to you know, get money banks give

1016
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 14: us to give us, to give us loans, and investors

1017
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 14: and things like that are finding people to have, you know,

1018
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 14: big money to get you started. So what he did

1019
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 14: was after being turned down so many times a by

1020
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 14: the banks, he just went to the family and friends

1021
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 14: and he said, you know why, don't you guys buy

1022
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 14: stock them to my into the Goss Corporation, twenty five

1023
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 14: dollars for each stock. And some people bought one, some

1024
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 14: people bought one hundred, some people bought bought ten, you know.

1025
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 14: And that's how he was able to actually get started

1026
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 14: the place that we are now. We've been there fifty years,

1027
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 14: and it used to be a drug store, Walkers Walker's

1028
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 14: drug Store. And when he turned the start it running

1029
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 14: to him, he said, I'm gonna just charge you five

1030
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 14: hundred dollars. You do whatever you want to do with

1031
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 14: the place. I just chrange you five hundred dollars a month.

1032
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 14: And he told his children to make sure that you

1033
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 14: don't go up on the rent if something happens to me.

1034
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 14: It got to the point where I think, maybe little

1035
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 14: less than ten years ago, the children said, okay, come on,

1036
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 14: you guys. You know the taxes aren't even costing more

1037
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 14: than you know. So it was like maybe forty years

1038
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 14: we were paying like five hundred dollars, you know money,

1039
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 14: And that's because he believed he and then this man

1040
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 14: was a pharmacist and he had a drug store, and

1041
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 14: he believed in his vision. So those to show you

1042
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 14: what kind of impact he had on people to convince

1043
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 14: them that this is the way to go, the natural way.

1044
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: And finally thirteen a halfter talk day. What we're talking

1045
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: about doctor Paul Gossip, this daughter, doctor Sharida, she's a

1046
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: naturalratic doctor herself, and talking about the empire that doctor

1047
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: Goss built new body products. A stayed in Compton where

1048
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: he started from, and most people you ask anybody about

1049
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: doctor Goss and the first thing they talk about the

1050
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: doctor shareda is c KLS. We had people call up

1051
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: and ask, can you explain that what is c k

1052
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: l S and what does what does he.

1053
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 9: Do for you?

1054
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 14: C KLS is a colon cleanserl sends for colon, kidney, liver,

1055
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 14: and spleen. It cleanses all those organs, but as well

1056
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 14: as you know, other organs as well. It also cleanses

1057
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 14: the blood and helps full out parasites. But it was

1058
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 14: one actually people thought it was the first product, but

1059
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 14: what actually wasn't the first product. I think it was

1060
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 14: the third or fourth product. But it helps with cleansing

1061
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 14: a lot of toxins and waste out of the system.

1062
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 14: A lot of mute kis a lot of candida. You know,

1063
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 14: just toxins in general out of the system and we

1064
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 14: you can take it daily as needed. It does move

1065
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 14: the bowels, helps with constipation as well as area and

1066
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 14: it's good to take it.

1067
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 13: We have people to do.

1068
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 14: Like a deep detox every three to six months and

1069
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 14: you're taken olive oil, which I think you might be

1070
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 14: familiar with the olive oil cleans where you're doing anywhere

1071
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 14: from age to sixteen ounces depending on your weight of

1072
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 14: olive oil with a cup of lemon juice and you

1073
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,959
Speaker 14: drink it down within an hour.

1074
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 11: You get.

1075
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 14: After about ten to twenty four hours, you start releasing

1076
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 14: out a lot of gallstones and terras sites and heavy

1077
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 14: mucus you know, out of this system and it helps

1078
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 14: to get lubricates the walls so you don't so you're

1079
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 14: able to pull out waste that it's been sitting there

1080
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 14: for years, you know, just petrifying in the system. And

1081
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 14: then you eat fruits and vegetables raw for at least

1082
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 14: seven days. You can go longer, but at least seven days.

1083
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 14: So we recommend people to do that like every six

1084
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 14: months maximum, but every three months or every change of

1085
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 14: the season is when is the best time to do

1086
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 14: a cleansing your deep detops.

1087
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Speaker 1: Right, and let me say this, I've done that, you

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01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: know under the with you with your dad, we do that.

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Speaker 1: And I decided to do it on a Sunday during

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Speaker 1: the football season. So you say you stay home because

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Speaker 1: you know, and all these things that you've eaten, that

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Speaker 1: hamburger you you you had when you were six years old,

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: and all of that stuff that's sixty and testing is

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Speaker 1: going to come out.

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01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 7: And he was, he was correct.

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01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: I felt I felt lighter after after, you know if

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Speaker 1: that the next day, I thought I was walking down

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Speaker 1: the air and then that's when I decided no more,

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Speaker 1: no more meat. But family, just checking in. We got

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Speaker 1: to take a break, and we're speaking with doctor Sharida Yazid.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sharda is the daughter of doctor Paul Gosh. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, doctor Paul Goss is the dean of black

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Speaker 1: Dangropadic doctors in this country. All these black doctors you

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Speaker 1: see now, many of them still working right now. They

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Speaker 1: sat at his feet and we're going to talk about irodology,

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01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: something I don't hear too many health practice talk about.

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Speaker 1: If doctor Shreida, if he can share that with us,

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Speaker 1: because doctor Goss did mine when I went there to

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Speaker 1: his office. And this is the fiftieth fany verses. That's

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Speaker 1: why we're having this conversation. What are your thoughts? You too,

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01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: You got a health challenge or a question, Doctor Schrieda

1112
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: can help it. She's also a natropathic doctor and you

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Speaker 1: can reach her at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us

1116
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday morning, a sad Tuesday morning for some

1117
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: folks passing of civil rights leader of Reverend Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 1: But right now we're discussing naturopathic doctor doctor Paul Goss,

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Speaker 1: the late founder of New Body Products, with his daughter,

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Speaker 1: doctor Sharieda has He. Doctor Shreida is also a naturopathic

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Speaker 1: doctor herself, doctor Sereda. Before we left, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: CKLS and that's that's the product that the company's most

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Speaker 1: known for. I thought it was the first one he made,

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01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: but she said no, it's not. That wasn't the first one.

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Speaker 1: And CKLS is she's told A stands for colon, kidney, liver,

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Speaker 1: spleen and it cleans you out all of those products

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01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: and all those body organs and more. Some people, you know,

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Speaker 1: some people I've turned them on to you and they

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Speaker 1: say it didn't do anything for them. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know if if that's the case. As a nuropathic doctor,

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: it's allocation that sometimes at least nro padic products work

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01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: for some people and don't work for others who work

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Speaker 1: better with others and not as well with other people.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think that some people need guidance because if

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01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 14: you had like a real horrible guet for ten, twenty, thirty,

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01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 14: forty fifty years, and then you just think you're going

1137
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 14: to take a pill and you've been constipated, you know,

1138
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 14: a week, two weeks, it's probably not gonna work for

1139
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 14: you like that. But and so it just depends on

1140
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 14: the person like you. If you're getting consultation, based on

1141
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 14: what we see, we'll be able to tell you how

1142
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 14: many they take. Maybe people are not taken enough. We

1143
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 14: just have a general amount that you take on the bottle,

1144
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 14: you know, just you know, just a general but when

1145
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 14: it comes down to your body, you have to know.

1146
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 14: Sometimes you will take two when it's too much. We

1147
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 14: tell them to take one. Sometimes they take two and

1148
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 14: it's not enough, and then we tell them to take four.

1149
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 14: So it just always depends on, you know, the person

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Speaker 14: in their body.

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Speaker 1: Got you twenty two at the top there, doctor Serida,

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: and we talked. You talked about ckls, and you know,

1153
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: when I was out there the last time, I was

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01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: trying to get some ckls at this health food store.

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Speaker 1: I won't mention the name of Tom Slawson, so the

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01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: people in La know it is. It's a well known

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01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: vegetarian restaurant. And they and and and it was gone.

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01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: And I thought, wait, they've got all these products are here,

1159
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: all of doctor Goss's products. I know CKLS what he's

1160
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Speaker 1: best known for. So you know, I went to the

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Speaker 1: the the cashiers.

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Speaker 5: What happened.

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Speaker 1: You don't have any c k l's he's sold loud?

1164
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: She says, no, we got to keep them down here

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01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: because some of our people have sticky fingers. So that's

1166
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Speaker 1: that's just gonna show me right, the popularity of it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, doctor Serita, because your

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Speaker 1: dad and family, doctor Paul Goss, a tall brother, he

1170
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Speaker 1: would come to our studio. You know, we do interviews

1171
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Speaker 1: all of course, we did interviews with the Nacho pathic

1172
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Speaker 1: doctors and he would challenge the DJ you know, to

1173
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: a basket of play horse because we had a basketball

1174
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: court at the back of the stage, and he would

1175
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Speaker 1: beat them and they and they were like man, doctor Gosh,

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Speaker 1: doctor gosp made when he between doctor Goss and doctor Sabie,

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Speaker 1: he had the whole station becoming vegetarian because they saw

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Speaker 1: how well they were groomed, how well they looked, and

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Speaker 1: they were older cats, but they still had had the

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Speaker 1: physique of a young man. Explain that to us a

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01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: dtr Street about your your daddy in particular.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, you know, you can't stop moving. You can't

1183
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 14: stop moving, regardless of what kind of dinys you have.

1184
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 14: You can eat all the right stuff, detox, take all

1185
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 14: the right herbs, but you still have to move your body.

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Speaker 14: And every day, almost i would say almost every day

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Speaker 14: he went to go play basketball. He would take a

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Speaker 14: break in the day and go to a park here

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Speaker 14: in Compton and and play, you know, for a few hours.

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Speaker 14: That was just something that he made sure that he did.

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Speaker 14: But you know, he's always been an acthlete. He was

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Speaker 14: a serious swimmer to where he even taught Olympic UH

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Speaker 14: teammates because at the time Black people weren't necessarily uh

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Speaker 14: swimming in the Olympics at the time. But he can

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Speaker 14: be a coach and he was. He was so good

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Speaker 14: as a swimmer that used to call him the ghost

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Speaker 14: because he was so fast. He used to do a.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 14: You used to be part of the entertainment for the

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Speaker 14: Emancipation Day for Tennessee, and I didn't realize August August

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Speaker 14: eighth is the Emancipation Day for for Tennessee, and that

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Speaker 14: was one of the things that they did. That's when

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Speaker 14: I first found out that there was more than one

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Speaker 14: Emancipation Day. Then also he played on the on the

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Speaker 14: practice team for the Lakers when he was here here

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Speaker 14: in l A. So he just was always always and

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Speaker 14: he was always working. He was a workaholic. I mean

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Speaker 14: in in the clinical sense of the word. He was

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Speaker 14: a workaholic. And so I mean he had an accident

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 14: back in twenty eighteen, and up until that time, he

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Speaker 14: was just always working at least twelve hours a day.

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Speaker 14: He had just finished adding on to a house. You know,

1213
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 14: here's a carpenter. He was always busy. And as far

1214
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 14: as sleep, I even myself wondered if he ever slept.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Twenty six out the top down family discussing doctor Paul

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Speaker 1: Goss with his daughter, doctor Sarita. Doctor Cerida is a

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Speaker 1: natural pathic doctor, just like a dad, Doctor Paul Goss.

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Speaker 1: And one of our calls wants you to give out

1220
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: your info because they're on the way to work and

1221
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: we're holding them out because they won't be able to listen.

1222
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: But listen, Hey, use your phone and download them for

1223
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: that person. Download the wlwolb app and you could listen

1224
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: all the way at work as well. But it's sister Serita.

1225
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: Give out your contact information for this person.

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Speaker 14: I think the best number to give is my whatstop

1227
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 14: number is the Ghana number. So the country code is

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Speaker 14: plus two three three two four one four five three

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Speaker 14: eight seven one. That's plus two three three two four

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Speaker 14: one four five three eight seven one. And that's the

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01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 14: best way to get me, the fastest way to get me.

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Speaker 7: What about is this there a website that people can go?

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01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, so the website for new body products that we're

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Speaker 14: celebrating fifty years for is www. Newbody product dot net

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Speaker 14: in et newbody product dot net.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that's probably the best way because people are driving,

1237
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out you know they can't write

1238
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,439
Speaker 1: down or remember all those numbers because because I forgot

1239
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: to tell that she's also lives in Ghana now and

1240
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: she's taken the talents to Ghana to help the Ganaians

1241
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: as a naturopathic doctor. But doctor Sereda twenty seven after

1242
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: the top of the doctor shrieda doctor goss uh, he

1243
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: did iridology. I don't haven't seen well, I haven't. I

1244
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: know there are a lot of doctors who do that

1245
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: where they can look into your eyes and tell you

1246
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: exactly if.

1247
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 7: You have a problem. And he did that with me.

1248
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: So can you explain that, doctor Srita, how I aridology?

1249
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: And do you guys still do that at your office

1250
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: in La and Content?

1251
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 14: Right now, we're not doing it because we're we'll do

1252
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 14: when we get into our new building. That I'll talk

1253
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 14: about a little bit later. But the ierdology is a

1254
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 14: non invasive analysis of the iris, the brown part of

1255
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 14: the color part of the eye, and it helps to

1256
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 14: determine conditions and levels of health. You're able to see

1257
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 14: signs of information congestion, degeneration, regeneration as things are getting

1258
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 14: better and then and the stages of the organs and

1259
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 14: the organ system, so you're able to look at deterioration

1260
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 14: or indeficiencies or uh, that's that's happening in the body.

1261
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Speaker 14: From there, we're able to give a diagnosis and then

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Speaker 14: put you on a program based on what we see.

1263
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: Right, and back in the day they used the computer,

1264
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: Doctor Gospel is so good. He didn't have to use

1265
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: the computer. He could just look at your pupils and

1266
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: tell your exactly where the problem is. But back then

1267
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 1: he also has.

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Speaker 14: The technology, right, he never wanted to use that. He

1269
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 14: always felt like your eye was your own eye was

1270
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 14: the best. I mean, magnifying glass as the most, but

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01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 14: that would be the most he could because he's saying, computers,

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01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 14: you know, when you're dealing with all these different pixels

1273
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 14: and things that could throw things off a little bit.

1274
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 14: So some people you know, still use it and they're

1275
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 14: able to get some help, but to get to be really,

1276
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 14: really accurate, it's best to use your own, you know,

1277
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 14: your own eyes.

1278
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes after the top day doctor Sharida's where that's

1279
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: a doctor Shida. Her dad is doctor Paul Gashi, as

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the other family. He's the dean of Black

1281
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: Holistic Doctors in the entire country. And if all the

1282
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 1: rich and famous people know, I mean, there are people

1283
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: who are doing this business now, they're probably one of

1284
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: his students. I remember asking him about a particular person.

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: He said, oh, that's yeah, he was one of my students.

1286
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 1: But this is and this is over discussing, because this

1287
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: is a fifty year anniversary of when he started the

1288
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: new Body Products. Was he called new body back then,

1289
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: doctor she reader?

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01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 9: It was?

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01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 14: It was, it was always called new Body Products. So

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01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 14: the Glass Corporation is the company, and we have always

1293
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 14: had a new Body Products and New Earth Health Foods.

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Speaker 7: Well, let me share this with you a week you know, yeah,

1295
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 7: let me share this with you. We are on a trip.

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Speaker 1: We used to go to Africa every year. We should

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Speaker 1: take groups to Africa every year. And one of our trips,

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Speaker 1: doctor Goss came with us and they had this sort

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Speaker 1: of a banquet for us and it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was self serve and all that, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: ladies first, and nobody wanted to eat until your dad

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Speaker 1: because you know, they wanted everybody's way to see what

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Speaker 1: he put on his plate because it was, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was food that most of us were not familiar

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Speaker 1: with and I remember looking at it him. Listen, they're

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Speaker 1: waiting on you. They want you to go. He says, no,

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Speaker 1: the ladies go first. And one of the things he said,

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Speaker 1: because the sisters one that once I think it was gone,

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Speaker 1: but the sisters out there that they they, you know,

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Speaker 1: got all the traditional clothing and doctors got their hair done,

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01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, uh braids and and and so we're sitting

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Speaker 1: there and and watching them and he says, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can tell ours from the Gnaians. I said how

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Speaker 1: He says, all all the fat ones. We laughed, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he says, yep, because they did. Yeah, there are

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Speaker 1: fat people that got it too. But he was saying

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Speaker 1: there was that was slightly overweight, that that's that's how

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Speaker 1: that's our crew, you know, because they it's just a

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Speaker 1: rare old cabin. Yeah, but he was he was kind

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Speaker 1: of correct on that one. But you know, and he

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Speaker 1: had he had a ranch in Douglas, Arizona, right across

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Speaker 1: from the US border in Mexico, and he would tell

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Speaker 1: me that the people uh come to just walk over

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Speaker 1: the border and they walk onto his property and sometimes

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Speaker 1: he leave water for them. Can you tell us about

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Speaker 1: that that that property? Do you guys still have that

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Speaker 1: property in Douglas, Arizona.

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Speaker 14: Wait there today. Yeah, we we do still have the

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Speaker 14: properties actually where we laid doctor Goss's body to rest

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Speaker 14: under a nice pyramid that some of the his students

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Speaker 14: had put together for them. And yeah, it's over eight

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Speaker 14: hundred acres of land and we're going through renovations right

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Speaker 14: now and that's part of the reason why I'm going

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Speaker 14: down there. And then we'll start some people'll start having

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Speaker 14: retreats again. We used to have about five retreats every year,

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Speaker 14: inviting different people, different topics. We used to he used

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Speaker 14: to He also did the eeridology course out there. We

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Speaker 14: have a beam that called the Algorolo being that we

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Speaker 14: tick during that time for one of our products. And

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 14: we have several different herbs on the on the land

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01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 14: that that we use in our products as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 14: it's a lot. His His plan was to make it into,

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01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 14: you know, a big city, but also you know, just

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Speaker 14: something to get away from the main the main city,

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 14: to get away from all the noise and all the

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Speaker 14: riff rafts and going into a peaceful, you know space.

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Speaker 1: And they also had a charactus strength and I think

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01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: it was purple or laviny kind of color.

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Speaker 14: The prickly pair, the prickly pair that comes from the

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Speaker 14: it's the cactus fruit called the prickly pair, which is wow,

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Speaker 14: we still have some down in the freezer. There's probably

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Speaker 14: more than twenty years old. They're sitting in the freezer.

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Speaker 19: And what does that do?

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Speaker 15: What is that?

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01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: Because I know people will take your products and they

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Speaker 1: swear by them, So what does what does that prickly

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Speaker 1: pair do?

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Speaker 14: It's a really red, you know, juice fruit, and it's

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Speaker 14: really good for the blood. A lot of times when

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Speaker 14: everything in nature is kind of mimics different things in

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Speaker 14: the body, and the prickly pair is really really good

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Speaker 14: for cleansing the blood as well as building the blood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also at that ranch to missa Falca, and

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Speaker 1: it had some health challenges and he was treating Minister

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: Faca and Miss Farron got got much better wanted him

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Speaker 1: to move to Chicago.

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Speaker 14: Do you recall that he was he Yeah, Actually, when

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Speaker 14: my father made his transition, Miss Bark had called me.

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Speaker 14: I never spoken to him before, I never met him before,

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Speaker 14: just always kind of followed him. And so he told

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Speaker 14: me about his experience there and he was saying that

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Speaker 14: he had brought down, you know, several staff, his wife

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Speaker 14: and several staff members, and they were down there and

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Speaker 14: he said, well he remember, he said that he just

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01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 14: you know, helped them with with his issue and he

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 14: was able to you know, get well. But he would

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Speaker 14: just giving me some memories about it, and he said,

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Speaker 14: I never seen somebody work as hard as your father.

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Speaker 14: He just will work work for for if he come

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Speaker 14: in and eat, go back out to the fill. He

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Speaker 14: just constantly doing something.

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Speaker 4: He said.

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Speaker 14: Even we would stand to the sign and be like,

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Speaker 14: look at him, look at him. He's still going. He's

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Speaker 14: still going. And that's what he was known for. Just

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Speaker 14: if you came out there and you were just sitting around, you, hey,

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01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 14: come out here and health you do this? Come on,

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Speaker 14: nobody should sit around.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So so yeah, he I was happy to get the

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Speaker 14: call from uh far Khim himself, you know, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because I think I recalled her Minisu Farca. I wanted

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Speaker 1: him to move to Chicago. Wanted to take it, you know,

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01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: take it back to Chicago after after he got much

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01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: better than it. When you know, when he visited the ranch.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, a lot of people wanted to pull him

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Speaker 14: out of Compton. But he never left Compton, never left Compton.

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Speaker 14: This is just cleaning.

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Speaker 20: See right.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five away from the top down family were speaking

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Speaker 1: with doctor Sharida. She's a she's the daughter of doctor

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Speaker 1: Paul Gonshi's I mentioned doctor Goshih is the dean of

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Speaker 1: Black and Naturopathic Doctors. She now lives in Ghana. She's been,

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01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 1: I guess between splits her time between Ghana and the US,

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,759
Speaker 1: and she's started helping the Canaians too as a naturopathic doctor.

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Speaker 1: And she'd learned from the best. Because when I say

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Speaker 1: he's the dean, you mentioned any of these the even

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Speaker 1: ones that we've had on this station, many of them,

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01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: uh were his students.

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01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 7: He taught them.

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01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: We talked about the product Kl's which is the best

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01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: selling product, uh, Doctor Schreieda after c k Let's, Which

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01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: would you say would be following the follow up to

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01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: the best selling product that the company has?

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01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 14: Wow, it's it's so many, it's so far ahead of

1416
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 14: everything else. But I would say our Freedom is a

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01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 14: blood purifier called Freedom that's really good. And then our

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01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 14: four PG which is a multi nutured the four PG

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01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 14: existensor for Paul goss so I guess he had made

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01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 14: a formula that for himself that he would take every day.

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01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 14: And then it's it's and I even took it as

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 14: a pre natal, you know I have. I gave birth

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01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 14: to five children and raised six, and I always use

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 14: it as a as a pre natal. And then are

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 14: Ones be Gone, which is a de wormer, and all

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 14: those are and I think the reason why they're they're

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01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,600
Speaker 14: they're also sell because they go along with the c

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01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 14: k l s to help to detox somebody, you know,

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01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 14: to a full clean, full body clean.

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01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,759
Speaker 7: Did he recommend doing it the first product?

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01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 14: So because so urgent. It's called our H and S

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01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 14: stage and it's it's it's for reproductive health. It helps

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01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 14: with energy, it helps with the spex drug, helps with infertility.

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01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 14: People use it to bodybuilders use it to work out,

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01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 14: and runners to use it to work out. And it

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01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 14: helps with balancing the hormones as far as like women

1437
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 14: are going through menopause, where men are going through Andrew

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 14: Paul's you know, men go through a change of life

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 14: as well. And and it sends for now, it sends

1440
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 14: for revitalized, help and stay healthy. But in the beginning

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 14: it meant rock hard and stay hard, and he has

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01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 14: some elder Christian woman coming to the store and said,

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Speaker 14: we don't like this, We don't like what you're calling.

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,600
Speaker 17: You need to change the name of that that's sexual to.

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Speaker 10: The you know.

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Speaker 14: So he went ahead and changed it, you know, to

1447
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 14: revide life, health and stay healthy. But me and myself,

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 14: did anybody ask me I'm giving the original rock hard

1449
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 14: and stay hard because a lot of men have a

1450
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 14: test that it really really worked, not only just with

1451
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 14: you erection, but just with correcting the problem right and hold.

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01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 7: Up thought right there, I'll I'll let you finish that thought.

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 7: On the other side.

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01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 1: We got to step aside for a few moments and

1455
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: check the traffic, weather and the news in that different cities.

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: Twenty two minutes away from the top. Now at doctor

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01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: Sharida talking about her dad, the late Paul Goss. He

1458
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: was a dean of naturopathic doctors in this country. What

1459
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: are your thoughts?

1460
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 7: You got a health question too?

1461
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: You can join us at eight hundred four or five

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01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

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01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 1: calls next and grand Rising family, thanks for shouting your

1464
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: Tuesday with us, and of course we have to offer

1465
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: a condolences of the family and the friends of Reverend

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson. He made his transition early this morning. In

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01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: case you missed it, Reverend Jackson was eighty four. Right now,

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01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: we're speaking with doctor Sharida's. Yes, Doctor Shida is the

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01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,560
Speaker 1: daughter of doctor Paul Gonnes. She's the dean of naturopathic

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Speaker 1: doctors in this country. All these black naturopathic holistic doctors

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Speaker 1: they learn from doctor Goss. He's at the top of

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01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: the food chain. Before we go back to her, though,

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01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: let me just remind you come up late this morning.

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01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna speak with doctor doctor Sharkne, Doctor Kemmick Shockley's

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01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: an author and educated and also a documentary I'm going

1476
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: to talk about black education late this week. Psychologist doctor

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: Jeromi Fox will be here, you know, and for his

1478
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: best selling book Addicted to White The Oppressed in League

1479
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: with the Oppressor, a shame based alliance. Also naturopathic and

1480
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: also traditional doctor she does both. Doctor A will be

1481
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: with us as well. So if you are in Baltimore,

1482
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: make sure you keep your radio locked in tight on

1483
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV family

1484
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: around fourteen fifteen w L. Doctor Shariedas I mentioned it

1485
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: is also a holistic doctor. But now she's taking her

1486
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: talents to Ghana. That's where in Ghana are you located at,

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01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 1: doctor Shareda, because we have listeners in Ghana.

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Speaker 13: I'm a breed.

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Speaker 14: Most people known as the mountains, but it's the cool

1490
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 14: pen mountains. H a breed has the botanical gardens. For

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01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 14: people who's familiar, I'm about maybe thirty to forty five

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01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 14: minutes from the airport.

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01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay course by yeah, all right, We've got some

1494
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: folks want to talk to your sister Srida and all

1495
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,600
Speaker 1: buddy's asking for your contact information. If you listen, we

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01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: will do that before she leaves. Since the Kashiba's come

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01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: from Silver Spring has a question for you, Grand Rising,

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01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: Sister Kashiba. Yeah, I'm a doctor, Sharda.

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01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 21: Grand Rising curl to you and your guests. I live

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01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 21: in the metro Washington, DC area, and I am interested

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01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 21: in your products, doctor, but I would like to know

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01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 21: if you could recommend a naturopathic doctor in this area.

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01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 21: Do you have a list of naturopathic doctors, say, within

1504
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 21: a fifty mile range of DC, that you would recommend.

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01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 21: One of the reasons is because I have heart disease,

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 21: and I had stints put in my armies, and obviously

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01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 21: at that time the cardiologists put me on high blood

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01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 21: pressure medicine and satins. But now he's increasing the amount

1509
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 21: of high blood pressure medicine and satins. I'd like to

1510
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 21: be able to change my diet as well as get

1511
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 21: off all this extra high blood pressure medicine and saturns.

1512
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 21: My intern has told me at my age, well, I

1513
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 21: can't get off of high blood pressure medicine. It's impossible,

1514
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 21: he said, I was here, Well that's what he said.

1515
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 21: Can you help me?

1516
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 14: Yeah, you'll You'll have to contact me later because I

1517
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 14: don't have the list in front of me. We have

1518
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,839
Speaker 14: lists of different people in our database at the office,

1519
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 14: and so I can get you that. But definitely, you're

1520
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 14: not too old.

1521
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 8: Long as you're alive, you're not too.

1522
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 14: Old to be healthy. And the thing is, yeah, this

1523
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 14: is a dietary change, and there's certain herbs that you'll

1524
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 14: have to be on, certain exercises, meditation, all kind of

1525
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 14: different things that you'll have to do, and there'll definitely

1526
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 14: be somebody there to help guide you, you know, along

1527
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 14: the way. But it's not too late.

1528
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 21: Well with your progress because.

1529
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 14: Even one of our adopted my father's adopted grandmother, mother Ruby,

1530
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 14: which also came out of the Nation Islam. When she

1531
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 14: came around it, she was ninety six years old and

1532
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 14: she had outlived I think two husbands and two children,

1533
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 14: and she became vegetarian at that time, started taking herbs

1534
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 14: and things. At that time, she was on a she

1535
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 14: had a pacemaker. At one point time the pacemaker stopped working,

1536
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 14: but her heart kept going and she lived to be

1537
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 14: one hundred and fourteen years old. Oh my, yes, so

1538
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 14: as you're not.

1539
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 12: It's never I.

1540
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 14: Always use that story. It's never too late. It's never

1541
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 14: too late.

1542
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1543
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 21: This number I should contact you at the number that

1544
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 21: you gave out.

1545
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 14: Yes, also the website too. You can also spend an

1546
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 14: email in case you can't remember a newbody products dot net.

1547
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 21: It's new spelled gas or any w.

1548
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 14: Any w w okay anybody products would ask dot net?

1549
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 10: Got it.

1550
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 21: I've got that down.

1551
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 7: Thank you, all right, thank you. Ten away from the top.

1552
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm Glad's checking in from Baltimore's online three grand Rise

1553
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: and Glade.

1554
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 7: Question for doctor shareda careerer.

1555
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 22: Grand Rising, everybody grand Rising? Yes, hi doctor, I'm a

1556
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 22: follower of a miss little flogcon Mars six is here

1557
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 22: in Baltimore, and I know his story. But with me

1558
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 22: about It's been about five five and a half years ago.

1559
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 22: I had the diagnosi as prostate cancer, and I had

1560
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 22: the radiation proton treatment and they got my PSA down

1561
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 22: to zero part one, which sounds good. But I asked him,

1562
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 22: I said, and then, you know, am I going to

1563
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 22: have many reactions? They said, you won't know until.

1564
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 19: Five years down the road. But I think now now

1565
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 19: I'm beginning to have some issues from that, you know,

1566
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 19: from that the radiation proton. So I need to find

1567
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 19: out what I needed to, uh, you know, correct any

1568
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 19: problem because I know it probably destroyed some tissues at

1569
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 19: the time, you know, getting that radiation proton. And so

1570
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 19: if you can recommend something I appreciate, uh.

1571
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 14: You know, yeah, I would want a little more detail

1572
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 14: at you, a little more some more personal questions. But

1573
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 14: right off the back, definitely you would go through a decox.

1574
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 14: You want to cleanse out a lot of toxins, just

1575
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 14: everyday toxins as well as the toxins from the medicine

1576
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 14: and the chemo, and then the ris and estates that

1577
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 14: I mentioned earlier. That that is one that we use

1578
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 14: for the prostate as well as saltop metal which is

1579
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 14: also inside. And you've earthy which is really good for

1580
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 14: dealing with the prostate, the kidneys, the bladder and things

1581
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:34,839
Speaker 14: like that. But the main thing this is with any disease,

1582
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 14: you have to you have to make sure you have

1583
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 14: a vegetarian diet that is mostly loved while fruits and vegetables,

1584
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 14: doing at least spring water a day, and make sure

1585
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 14: that you're doing a lot of juicing, especially green juices.

1586
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 14: Juicing is a game changer. You see a lot, you

1587
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 14: see quicker results. We do a lot of a lot

1588
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 14: of juicing.

1589
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 7: And Glad, let me let me thank because we're moving

1590
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 7: on because it's gonna be the biggest thing for you.

1591
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 1: Right And I was going to ask you that, doctor Shirda,

1592
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: and thank you Glad for your call, because you've got

1593
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: to move on here serving away from the top there.

1594
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: When you tell people like like like Glad and other

1595
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,560
Speaker 1: people you know that they've got to become vegetarian, is

1596
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: that a major hang up? Folks can't give up the

1597
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: flesh when you tell.

1598
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 14: Them that, Yeah, it is, I mean, you know it's

1599
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,520
Speaker 14: because it's culture you know, and we talking about worldwide.

1600
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 14: You know, it is something that's difficult. It's easier when

1601
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 14: people really have a problem and and it's and and

1602
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 14: they come to us in a desperate situation, especially when

1603
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 14: the doctors have given up. So at that time it's like, okay,

1604
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 14: whatever you want me to do, I'll do it. And

1605
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 14: then you have people who just want to What I'm

1606
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 14: finding these days is it's different than when I was

1607
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 14: growing up. The youth and even when my children is

1608
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 14: growing up. The youth are more exposed to things, you know,

1609
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 14: to to wellness and things like that, because of the

1610
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 14: Internet and because of you know, the whole praise about

1611
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 14: you know, uh uh the black wellness, you know, talking

1612
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 14: about doctor Staden becoming real famous after we had passed.

1613
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 14: And then now we have all these different people like

1614
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 14: doctor Yaki and doctor Bobby Price and different people who's

1615
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 14: always online. They're more exposed and that I see that

1616
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 14: it's easier for them to make the transition once they

1617
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 14: have the information because it's kind of become trendy and

1618
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 14: it's not like they're out there by themselves like it

1619
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 14: was when I was younger as a child.

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01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this doctor Shuette, Is there

1621
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: a difference if you noticed a difference between the brothers

1622
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: and sisters in Ghana the issues, the health issues and

1623
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: the state side.

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01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 14: We got a lot of the same problems. We have

1625
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 14: a lot of there's something that's cancer. Wasn't so I've

1626
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 14: been there twenty years. This is my twentieth year. There

1627
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 14: some celebrating that too, but it's it's cancer is something

1628
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 14: that's kind of new there. It's kind of coming on

1629
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 14: the rise, not like here, but as far as like

1630
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 14: the high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes is there too,

1631
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 14: but not as much because they don't do heavy sweets,

1632
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 14: like even they're bacas and they're sweets, it's not heavy sugar.

1633
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 14: You know, it's not real. They don't do They can't

1634
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 14: even deal with a lot of them can't even deal

1635
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 14: with our sweets. It's too sweet, you know. And then yeah,

1636
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 14: but a lot of the same. I would say blood

1637
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 14: pressure is one of the biggest ones. And I think

1638
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 14: that just comes from being you know, oppressed people, you know,

1639
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 14: just us being oppressed. It causes us to always have

1640
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 14: some kind of pressure. But yeah, you'd be surprised. It

1641
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 14: is a lot of the same problems and I think

1642
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 14: this is black folks everywhere because we're eating a lot

1643
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 14: of the same food, which is high starch, regardless of

1644
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 14: what foods it is, whether it's rice, you know, heavy

1645
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 14: rice and cinnaball or a lot of yam and jamaica.

1646
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,799
Speaker 14: You know, we're doing like a lot of heavy starts.

1647
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 14: It's like my father always called it a biological warfare food.

1648
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 14: If you want to make people dumb and doubt, file,

1649
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 14: feed them a whole lot of stars and that'll make hold.

1650
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I thought, right there, doctor Sereda. We got a step

1651
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: aside for a couple of minutes. Hold, I thought right there.

1652
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: We got to check the traffic and weather in our

1653
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: different cities. Whyt me come back, though. I want you

1654
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: to tell us about the fiftieth anniversary. What are your

1655
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: plans fifty years? That's that's a that's a highlight. You know,

1656
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: you've got to have some plans and fiftieth anniversary for

1657
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: the empire that your dad started New body Products family.

1658
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 1: You got a question real quick about health, make it

1659
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: quick for us. You can speak to doctor Shareda and

1660
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 1: you can reach her at eight hundred four or five

1661
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we ticket calls real

1662
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: quick after we check the traffic and weather in our

1663
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: different cities. That's next, and Grand Rising family, thanks for

1664
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: staying with us on on this Tuesday morning. And Tuesday morning,

1665
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: we found out that Reverend Jesse Jackson made his transition

1666
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: earlier this morning. So our condolences to the Jackson family

1667
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: and all the friends of Reverend Jackson. Right now were

1668
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: Doctor sharedas, Yeah, I see, Doctor SHAREDA is the daughter

1669
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 1: of the dean of Black Naturopathic Doctors, doctor Paul Gosh.

1670
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: Those folks who know about the holistic doctors, this is

1671
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: the person they buy it down to. If you will,

1672
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: Doctor Paul Goss, he started it and trained a lot

1673
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: of them. Even once you've here on this radio station,

1674
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:17,839
Speaker 1: he trained many of them himself.

1675
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 7: Doctor trieda.

1676
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: She has taken her talents as I measures to Ghana.

1677
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: She's there, she's back and forth being gone and the

1678
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: States is building his empire or keeping his legacy alive

1679
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: new body products. And it's fifty years old. And before

1680
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: we left the breakout, what are you doing for the

1681
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: fiftieth year anniversary, Doctor SHAREDA.

1682
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:42,560
Speaker 14: Oh wow, well, so we're gonna definitely be doing a

1683
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 14: couple of promotional events in reference to some different customer

1684
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 14: appreciation days where we have some things on sell and

1685
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 14: maybe have a few of our vengers come through to

1686
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 14: do samples and things like that. Things will be going

1687
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 14: those kinds of things will be going on throughout the year.

1688
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 14: We also plan on doing a trip to Ghana the

1689
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 14: first two weeks from August August first to the fourteenth,

1690
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 14: and just you know, just to celebrate as well, because

1691
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,679
Speaker 14: Doctor Gos is always about back to Africa, back to Africa.

1692
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 14: He was always you know, that's how I got there

1693
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 14: because it was always instilled in me go to Africa,

1694
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 14: to go to Africa. So that's one of the things.

1695
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 14: And then one of the main things we're doing with

1696
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 14: the community is where we have the Gloss Wellness Village

1697
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 14: that we're building. So before Doctor Gods made his transition

1698
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 14: and March twenty twenty, we purchased a building that's going

1699
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:59,679
Speaker 14: to have our health store, our newbody products, administration, shipping office,

1700
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 14: and also our manufacturing plant all on one compound. And

1701
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 14: right now we're in three different locations right there on

1702
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 14: the same street, but just within the block of each other,

1703
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 14: and we're doing everything. We've been renting this whole time.

1704
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 14: So we purchased the building. Now we got everything ready

1705
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 14: as far as the architectural drawings, we got the permits

1706
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 14: ready to be pulled. The only thing that's missing is

1707
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 14: the funds. And so we've been going to bank, you know,

1708
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 14: at the bank SBA all this and getting real close

1709
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 14: to getting the funds and then they'll come with some

1710
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,759
Speaker 14: excuse like, oh, we didn't know you guys were network marketing,

1711
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 14: you know, and things like that. So we were like, Okay,

1712
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 14: we know what's really going on.

1713
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 11: You know, we're black.

1714
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 14: I always tell people tired of being a black woman

1715
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 14: in America. But you know, it's just one of those

1716
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 14: things where we know the reality. So in the beginning,

1717
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 14: like the community was is who helped us start get started.

1718
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 14: And I told my sister, which is my sister paul Netta,

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Speaker 14: and my mother missus al Zonia go that's continuing to

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Speaker 14: run the business. And I said, look, let's just go

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01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 14: back to the community. That's how we got started. Let's

1722
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 14: go back to the community. It's been fifty years that

1723
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 14: are investing into you know, helping people get off of drugs,

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01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 14: get over aids, cancer, we're even helping people with my

1725
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 14: father was helping people with their marriage problems, and people

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01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 14: come to us just it's holistic help. So people come

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01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 14: to us with all kinds of different things. So what

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01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 14: we're doing is we're raising where the goal is to

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01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 14: raise five million dollars to be able to renovate displace

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01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 14: up to code and to get it open, get all

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Speaker 14: the equipment in and set up different programs. This place

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Speaker 14: is going to have, like I said, a helthood store,

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01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,680
Speaker 14: we have vegetarian deli. We're gonna have different workshops. So

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01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 14: we have a little small conference room where we have

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01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 14: different workshops that was accommodated to one hundred people, and

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01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 14: we'll do things like obalism, speaking on maybe doing vegetarian

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01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 14: cooking classes. We'll do a lot of things, you know

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01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 14: for the youth, because the youth need to be able

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01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 14: to have a stafe space to come in and discuss,

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01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 14: you know, matters, you know that things that matters to them.

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01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 7: And yeah, and where's it going to? Where where's it

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01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:23,520
Speaker 7: going to be? Doctor sharedah in content.

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Speaker 14: Okay, four thirty seven West Compton Boulevard. That's the address.

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01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 14: You'll see it on the website if you go to

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01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 14: the website and new Body Products of that net. You'll

1746
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 14: see building fund and click on that and it's going

1747
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 14: to give you way more information about it. It's going

1748
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 14: to show you what the building looks like now, and

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01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 14: it's going to show you what the building is going

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01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 14: to look like after we renovate it.

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01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 1: Right and uh six haf the top they out eight

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01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: hundred and four five seventy eight six. Mark has a

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01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: quick question for You're calling from Baltimore Cities Online one

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01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: grand Rising Markey on with doctor Sharita.

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Speaker 20: Yes, sir, good morning everyone, And I also want to

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01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 20: ress my sadness I'm hearing about the passing him, Reverend Jackson,

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01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 20: a great civil rights leader and all me let me

1758
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 20: be a blessing for all who were touched by him

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01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 20: and his words and actions and all that. So I

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01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 20: just want to show that as well. Good morning doctor.

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01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 20: This is a very interesting project. And I know you're

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01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 20: waiting for funding and all. So if we wanted to,

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01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 20: we're on I guess on the internet, gurg or in

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01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 20: or by letter? Can we send funds too? I don't

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01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 20: know if you accept? Do you PayPal?

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01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 22: Ozell?

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01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 20: Do you have an account set up? How does this work?

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01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 11: Thank you?

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01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 8: Well?

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01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 14: Yeah, you just go to our website Newbody Products dot

1771
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 14: net and then you'll click on building funds and then

1772
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:45,839
Speaker 14: you're able to meet There's different donations denominations from fifteen

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01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 14: dollars up to ten thousand dollars, or you can make

1774
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 14: your own you know, your own amount, your own donation.

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01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 14: Any any little bit help, any any little bit bit help.

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01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 14: But you just go to the website and then you

1777
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 14: just you know, pay online.

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01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I fna let you go.

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01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you because we mentioned that your dad

1780
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: treated Minister Falcon, but he treated a host of the

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01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: Anatainer's athletes.

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Speaker 7: Just name drop a few for us before I let

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Speaker 7: you go.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Stebee Wonder, Wesley Snipe, Ncy Nash. NC Nash actually

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01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 14: was a friend of mine. We grew up together in

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01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 14: at Guardina High. I mean she came to work for us.

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01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 14: I've seen your picture not long ago with both of

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01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,839
Speaker 14: us being pregnant at the same time and Marla Gibbs.

1789
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 14: So man, I can't I really can't think of everybody

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01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 14: at the top of my head this morning.

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Speaker 11: It's so early.

1792
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 7: Because so many.

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01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 14: Different people were and different athletes. He'd even sent medicine

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01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 14: to to Magic Johnson, you know, when he was dealing

1795
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 14: with the age crisis so many people, you know, but

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01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 14: he never made a big boast about it. You never

1797
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 14: seen like, if anything that post social media because of me.

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01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 14: But he never really made it.

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01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:06,719
Speaker 1: That was part of your dad though, the Sister series.

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01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,599
Speaker 1: That's part of his makeup. He was very, very low key,

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01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 1: you know. You never know that this man had all

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01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: this talent, was helping all these folks. He never seemed

1803
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: like he wanted the applause.

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01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 7: Did you get.

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01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 14: About money?

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01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 9: Either?

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01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 14: He got invited to go on oprah Onetree show. He

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01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 14: turned it down. I said, how can you turn that

1809
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 14: Oprah Winter? That's like automatic gold? And he's like, I

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01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 14: want to live. I want to say a lot, so

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01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 14: I don't want to He didn't.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 14: So And and then also if people came to him

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01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 14: and they didn't have money, like I remember one guy

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01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 14: came in and this not that he didn't have money,

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01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 14: but I know him in His name is Jerry and

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01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 14: he's in Ghana, but he lived out out here in

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Speaker 14: Compton for a while. And he walked up to him

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01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 14: and he saw him coming out of his store, saw

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01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 14: doctor God's coming out of his store. So he met

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01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 14: him on the sidewalk and he said, oh, doctor, gosh,

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01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 14: you know, I got this serious headache. I need I

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01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 14: need some herbs. I need something for it, you know.

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01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 14: He said, go home, you can have down the water,

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01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 14: take a nap, go to sleep. When you wake up,

1826
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 14: drink another half down the water and then and then

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01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 14: your headache will go. He said. That's all he did.

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01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 14: He said, he didn't he could have sold me anything,

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01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 14: he said, but he just told me go home and

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01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 14: lay down and just drink some water, you know. And

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01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 14: it just always just giving people free advice. You didn't

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01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 14: have to make an appointment to sit with him to

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01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 14: get the information. Everything you know, was right there, you know.

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01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 14: So that so we kind of carry that, you know,

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01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 14: me and my family we carry that same thing, that

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01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 14: same spirit that somebody just needs to have an answer

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01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 14: to their issues, you know, go ahead and give it

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01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 14: to them.

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01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 9: You don't have to, you know.

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01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 14: And sometimes it's not about taking the herbs. And sometimes

1841
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 14: it can be you know, go drink some lemon water.

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01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 14: Do that for you know the next four days, and

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01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 14: then that'll take care of your liver issue. Youee. What

1844
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 14: I'm saying. So that just being humble, and my mother

1845
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 14: always said We didn't get into the business to make money.

1846
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 14: We got into the business to help people. And then

1847
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 14: whatever you need, the money or resources, everything will come

1848
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 14: because where you put a lot of into our spiritual bank.

1849
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 14: So now we're looking to make some withdrawals to make

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01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 14: sure that we get this Gos's Wellness Village up and

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01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 14: running to be an iconic, you know, healing space, and

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01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 14: not just in California, but in the whole nice and

1853
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 14: in the world. This is space where people know and

1854
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 14: feel hopeful. When you come there, you you don't know

1855
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 14: what's gonna happen, but when you leave, you're going to

1856
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 14: at least feel hopeful about your situation.

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01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Sarita. Thank you for keeping

1858
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 1: your dad's legacy a life before we let you go.

1859
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: Because people have been calling and want to know contact information.

1860
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: How can they reach you, so share that with us.

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01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 14: Okay, So the easiest is newbody Products dot net. Newbody

1862
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 14: Products Products would ask dot net or if you want

1863
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 14: to get me on WhatsApp is a Ghana number plus

1864
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 14: two three three two or one four five three eight

1865
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 14: seventy one.

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01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:00,600
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you doctor s Reading and thank you

1867
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: for getting folks in Ghana listen to us as well

1868
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: in the mornings. Thank you for joining us this morning.

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01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 14: Yes, yes, yes, yes, so please reach out family, really

1870
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 14: all right, if you're having this on to celebrate this

1871
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 14: with this parm.

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01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, Doctor Sureda, thank you and thank you for

1873
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 1: your entire family what you guys have been doing to

1874
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:18,799
Speaker 1: keep us healthy.

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Speaker 7: Family.

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01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: That's doctor Shirida Yazid. She's the daughter of doctor Paul

1877
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: Gossis I mentioned he's the dean of nantropathic doctors across

1878
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 1: the country. Let's turn attention now to education. Doctor Kemick

1879
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: Shockley is waiting for us. He's an educator pan Afghanist.

1880
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: It's also a documentarian and also an author as well.

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01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Grant rising doctor Sharkley, welcome back to the program.

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01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 6: Grand Baba. How long are you today and thanks for

1883
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 6: having me.

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01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 9: On the show.

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01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm still learning before we get started though, you know,

1886
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:49,320
Speaker 1: as you know, Reverend Jackson passed this morning early this morning.

1887
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: You want to get your thoughts on Jesse Jackson.

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01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know I did hear about that. I

1889
01:40:56,240 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 6: think it's uh as always when we lose people who

1890
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,120
Speaker 6: have tried to be influential in the community. At the moment,

1891
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 6: I would say, deep reflection, I think that what he

1892
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 6: tried to do with his own those Fish Coalition, other

1893
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 6: things that he was a part of operations at Basket

1894
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 6: et cetera, trying to get black folks to go out

1895
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 6: and vote, there are things that were about uplifting the

1896
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 6: dignity of black people. I think that from an African

1897
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 6: centered standpoint, we wants to.

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01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 8: Make sure we.

1899
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 6: Uplift elders who tried to work for the black community.

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01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 6: And also keep in mind that there are things that

1901
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 6: jets rejection was still pore that might be different than

1902
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 6: the things I stand for, but nonetheless that legacy caused

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01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 6: for us to commemorate the work that he's hidden, try

1904
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 6: to take up that mantle for the deliberation of black people,

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01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:58,839
Speaker 6: which is how I'm sure he would want to be remembered.

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01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirteen a half the toime, I hopefully we get

1907
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: your life, get that your phone figured out when we

1908
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 1: take the break. But let me ask you so, because

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01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 1: you've been you talk about it's essential for our children

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01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: to be taught their education afrocentric education. Why why is

1911
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 1: it essential that black children be taught differently from other children?

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01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: Is it necessary because you know we're on the illusion

1913
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: of inclusion, and we think that you know, what's good

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01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,640
Speaker 1: for them is good for us. But you're saying not so.

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01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 6: H no, and plase let me know if you have

1916
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 6: if the phone sounds funny on my ends, everything it's clear.

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01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 11: But actually we might.

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01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 6: For a fact that black children has time best to

1919
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 6: certain kinds of things. And I'll go into what some

1920
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 6: of those are. The idea that some people have in

1921
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 6: saying that black children don't learn differently is because they

1922
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 6: want to. They sound like they're trying to say that

1923
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:58,560
Speaker 6: you're talking negatively if you say they learned differently, But

1924
01:42:58,720 --> 01:43:01,600
Speaker 6: actually what they're doing is it's more in all of

1925
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 6: the data which say that black children learn in such

1926
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 6: ways that the public schools and other schooling systems are

1927
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 6: not knowledgeable about. There's a book that I had recommended

1928
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 6: to people over the years called Black Children Their Roots,

1929
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 6: Culture and Learning Style Janets Had Benson. That's a book

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Speaker 6: that was actually re demended to me by doctor Asa Hillier,

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01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 6: who was a mentor of mine. I'm going to talk

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Speaker 6: about him later, but in that book as that has

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Speaker 6: been an awesome book that kame idea cultural has called

1934
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Speaker 6: African Senate Education theory and practice. You see that one

1935
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Speaker 6: of the things that helped black children so much is

1936
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Speaker 6: when we can incorporate pa those into what they're doing,

1937
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Speaker 6: into what the teachers do, for example. And one of

1938
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Speaker 6: theasoness that is is because fathers are teaching to may

1939
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Speaker 6: help transmit all that disdom into concise and memorable form

1940
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Speaker 6: for our young people. So people who are able to

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Speaker 6: use that thinking of a teacher that I observed for

1942
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Speaker 6: some time to Trono and b A. Chako when he

1943
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Speaker 6: was working in Boston, the Boston schools able to ground

1944
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Speaker 6: that instruction in more career and what we need grounded

1945
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Speaker 6: it in community values. So we use those traditions not

1946
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Speaker 6: just for fancy things, but also to provide to our

1947
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Speaker 6: kids with intellectual frameworks that help to teach things like discernment,

1948
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Speaker 6: a thing that our kids are really lacking these days.

1949
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Speaker 6: How do you can teach inside of a proverb, responsibility

1950
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Speaker 6: and humility how to be?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hold up thought right there at doctor shock. You've

1952
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Speaker 1: got to step asiph a few months. Should we come back,

1953
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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought and also tell us

1954
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Speaker 1: about eight bonics because you may recall a few years

1955
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: ago back, Uh, that was talking about ebonics, and some

1956
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 1: people thought that it'd be better if teach us use

1957
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Speaker 1: ebonics to teach our children, that they'd understand it much better.

1958
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: And so people say no because when they go out

1959
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Speaker 1: into the real work, they'll be ostracized for using ebonics.

1960
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Speaker 1: It's not the standard English. I want to get to

1961
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Speaker 1: your thoughts on that as well. It's seventeen after the

1962
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Speaker 1: top of our family, you two can join our conversation

1963
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:22,679
Speaker 1: with our guest is an educator. It's a pan afganist

1964
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Speaker 1: and also author and also a documentarian. We'll talk about

1965
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Speaker 1: his documentary as well. His name is doctor Kemmick Shockley

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Speaker 1: and you can reach him at eight hundred four five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

1968
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Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for staying with

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Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning. With our guest educator, doctor

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Speaker 1: Kemmick Shockley. Got a question about education, This is the

1971
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Speaker 1: person you need to speak with. Also if we're going

1972
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Speaker 1: to talk about ebonics. Before we get to ebonics, dtr Shocklen'

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Speaker 1: let you finish.

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Speaker 7: Your thought.

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Speaker 8: And I'm hoping the sounding oh much better.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is much better.

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Speaker 8: Okay, sorry about that, but what I was saying, there

1978
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 8: is that we know how to teach our children, and

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Speaker 8: those books that I recommended, I think are outstanding options

1980
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Speaker 8: for us. And I was giving the example of how

1981
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:18,560
Speaker 8: proverbs can be used to help teach responsibility, humility, and

1982
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,799
Speaker 8: teaching our children things that they need to know about

1983
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 8: what they're inheriting from our tradition. So when we leave

1984
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,640
Speaker 8: that out, it leaves a gaping hole in relationship to

1985
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:32,719
Speaker 8: what our children need to know about their history, culture,

1986
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 8: and heritage, and we end up teaching them things that

1987
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Speaker 8: in my writing I always say are useless facts and

1988
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 8: unusable information. Riddles are also a way to challenge Black

1989
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Speaker 8: kids and their cognitive ability. Then Black children have high

1990
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Speaker 8: cognitive ability and what literarians call high cognitive agility. They

1991
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 8: have the ability to kind of be nimble in their thinking.

1992
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 8: They have deep thought even as kids. Juwanzi Kunjutsu talks

1993
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Speaker 8: about how this often starts to go away when the

1994
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:16,560
Speaker 8: kids reach around the fourth grade because they start to

1995
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 8: get exposed to things that shut down their depths of thinking.

1996
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Speaker 8: We know that using riddles also aligns with the African

1997
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 8: intellectual traditions that sort of value what we do in

1998
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 8: rap music that layered communication and using symbolic symbolic imagery

1999
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 8: and reasoning so they can be playful. The sort of

2000
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:43,639
Speaker 8: using riddles is a playful way to also educate black children.

2001
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Speaker 8: These are all things that we know how to do,

2002
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 8: but as doctor Hillier says, do we have the will

2003
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Speaker 8: to educate all children? When you go into African center schools,

2004
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 8: one of the things that you're going to these are

2005
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 8: African centerate schools are the most successful model for teaching

2006
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 8: Black children, but for some reason, where they're ignored, and

2007
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:05,679
Speaker 8: well we know why they're ignored in mainstream for some reason,

2008
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 8: they're also mostly ignored by Black people. Call and response

2009
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 8: transforms the way a classroom works, going from sitting and

2010
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:20,600
Speaker 8: getting listening to somebody talk often boring children, into a

2011
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:25,639
Speaker 8: participatory sort of learning space. So you move things from

2012
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Speaker 8: a hierarchical space where kids are simply taking in information,

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Speaker 8: often uninspired, into a space where kids are actually engaged

2014
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Speaker 8: in the learning. So you're calling something out and then

2015
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 8: there's a response. You're saying something like I am, and

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01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 8: the kids are responding because we are. So you're doing

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01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 8: that getting them engaged, having them talk, while also teaching

2018
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 8: the ways of being of our ancestors and our forebears.

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Speaker 8: You'll find also in African center schools the use of

2020
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Speaker 8: things like rhyme and rhythm, not just hip hop, but

2021
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 8: also using spirituality in the classrooms. What all that does

2022
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 8: is it validates cultural forms of expression and make sure

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Speaker 8: our kids are learning in ways that are meaningful to them.

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01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 8: But what happens is in the colleges of education where

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01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 8: teachers are trained, the professors don't know anything about this.

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01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 8: They're not aware of how important it is for our

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Speaker 8: young people. So guess what, they don't get it. They

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Speaker 8: don't get this information. They don't the teachers aren't getting it,

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Speaker 8: so they don't teach.

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Speaker 11: It to the suits.

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Speaker 8: The importance of things like storytelling, how to use knowledge

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Speaker 8: within a narrative, which is what storytelling actually is. How

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01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 8: you can use a proverb to teach kids, how to count.

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Speaker 8: All those kinds of things make a difference for black kids,

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Speaker 8: and they made a difference at Chick Elementary School in Kansas,

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01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 8: where black kids outdid all the other folks in the

2037
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,839
Speaker 8: state of Missouri during a certain period of time before

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Speaker 8: they started to destroy it and attack. Audrey Bullard, who

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01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,679
Speaker 8: owned that school, who was a principal of that school.

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Speaker 8: So we have that as well as examples like Frere

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01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 8: Rivers who had the school San Clopaschule in Michigan for

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01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 8: black kids were performing, and what they did is the

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01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 8: same thing that continues to happen, and that is to

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01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 8: take those people who are doing good work with black

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01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 8: children and destroy the things they're doing. Intentionally. Oftentimes, the

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01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:38,599
Speaker 8: community doesn't know what has happened. They don't know all

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01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 8: the pressure that's put on these successful teachers of black students,

2048
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 8: so we just think, well, I guess our kids aren't studying.

2049
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,799
Speaker 8: I guess our kids aren't learning. But know what's happening

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01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 8: in education is the same thing that happened in Rosewood destruction,

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01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 8: Seneca Village, East Saint Louis, riots, burning down black neighborhoods

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01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 8: in Detroit, et cetera. That every time we get ourselves together,

2053
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:07,040
Speaker 8: the agents of chaos and confusion come in to destroy

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01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 8: those efforts. And they've done the same thing in our

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01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 8: successful African centered schools all around the country.

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Speaker 1: At twenty six after the top there before, it takes

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Speaker 1: some callsure the question about ebonics, though, Doc remember a

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01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 1: few years ago there was this this conversation that our

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01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 1: students should be taught in e bonics because that's what

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01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 1: they speak. Many of them speak at home, and we

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01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 1: can they can understand what which teachers are trying to

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01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: get to them, and people saying no, because when they

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01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 1: get out into the real world where you know that

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01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 1: that would hinder them if they spoke ebonically. If you

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01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,760
Speaker 1: will your thoughts, where did you land out on the

2066
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 1: ebonics issue?

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Speaker 11: I like that ebonically.

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Speaker 7: Listen.

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Speaker 8: The truth of the matter is, in many ways, there's

2070
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 8: there's really no such thing as ebonics. There's there's the

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01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 8: way that people tend to talk that works for them.

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01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 8: One could call that ebonics for black people. So then

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01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 8: the question I have is what would we call the

2074
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 8: way white people talk? Because they don't speak Standard English either,

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01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,719
Speaker 8: and they don't write Standard English. This is an important

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01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 8: point that I think sometimes gets overlooked. You know, having

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01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 8: spent my twenty three year history as a professor, I

2078
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,639
Speaker 8: spent ten to twelve years of those ten maybe twelve

2079
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 8: fourteen years of that teaching white students. And when I

2080
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 8: would grade their papers and listen to them speak in class,

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01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 8: because I'm so trained on Standard English. As you know,

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01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 8: someone with a doctorate and all that stuff and having

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01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 8: to learn that so deeply. I can attest to you

2084
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 8: that nobody speaks Standard English and nobody writes it. You

2085
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 8: have to teach people how to teach and how to

2086
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,320
Speaker 8: speak and write Standard English. It's a very difficult thing

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01:52:55,439 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 8: to do. When we talk about the King's rules for language,

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01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 8: it is critically important to note that what people think

2089
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 8: of Black people are doing something so different in not

2090
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 8: using all of the rules of Standard English. Latinos don't

2091
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 8: use it, neither do Asians, and neither do white people.

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01:53:15,160 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 8: So it's important for us to accept the fact that

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01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 8: the way we teach kids, the strategies that we use,

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01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 8: and the information that's embedded into the language is what's important.

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01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 8: That requires that you say something using what people think

2096
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,720
Speaker 8: of as ebonics been fine, use whatever you have to

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01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 8: use to teach our children so that they can liberate

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01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 8: the spaces that they call their own and we call

2099
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 8: our own. As a Coacho would say, that's really what's important.

2100
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 8: Are you teaching children Black kids how to liberate the

2101
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 8: space that we, as people of African descent call our own.

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01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 8: So in the African centered, since we reject any deficit

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01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 8: framing about ebonics, as and what we go for is

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01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 8: cultural sovereignty. And so if you want to deny the

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01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:10,200
Speaker 8: legitimacy to participate in something that's uplifting to black people,

2106
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,599
Speaker 8: you participate in what we would call in the Academy

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01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:18,080
Speaker 8: epistemological domination, that you would take your ways of knowing

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01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 8: and subvert them for somebody else's ways of knowing, when

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01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 8: none of them are more legitimate than the other. So,

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01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 8: I think anything black people do oftentimes goes under the

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01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 8: microscope of scrutiny and is seen as less than until

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01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 8: the dominant society decides to steal those things and take

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01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 8: them and keep them as their own, which we see

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01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:49,120
Speaker 8: happening all the time now in popular culture. So no,

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01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 8: I think that what I would rather have the genius

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01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:57,720
Speaker 8: of black children, that adaptive genius that black kids in

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01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:01,320
Speaker 8: the African diaspora in all over the world able to

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01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 8: be geniuses using ebonics or whatever language structure they want

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01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 8: to use to get that out, than just try to

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01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 8: be very proper talking and mimic somebody else's cultural ways.

2121
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:20,960
Speaker 8: But what's coming out of your mouth is a sort

2122
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 8: of a white supremacist or idiotic sellout kind of way

2123
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 8: of thinking. So We have a lot of people who

2124
01:55:29,200 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 8: think they're speaking standard English who are actually the things

2125
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,600
Speaker 8: they say may be articulate, they may be coming out articulately,

2126
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 8: but the content and the substance of what they're saying is,

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01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 8: let's just say not on the level. So that's how

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01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 8: I would respond to the idea of robotics.

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Speaker 1: All right, I got some folks want to talk to you.

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01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 1: Let's say Kevin for us, because he's asked a question

2131
01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 1: for you thirty minutes after the top. They are Kevin

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01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 1: grand Rising, your question for doctor Shockley.

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Speaker 2: Good money, doctor Shockley. I wanted to I wanted to

2134
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 2: go along with where you are in talking about academic excellence.

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01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 2: And this is Black History Month. So founded in eighteen

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01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 2: seventy in Washington, d C. Dunbar High School is considered

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01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,400
Speaker 2: one of the first public high school for black students,

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01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 2: and it became a premier school in academic excellence with

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01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 2: a list of notable graduates. And I wanted to talk

2140
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 2: about the fact that it became an example for not

2141
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 2: only black schools, but the schooling system all over. During

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01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:43,440
Speaker 2: the early twentieth century, Dunbar was recognized for its academic

2143
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:48,400
Speaker 2: achievement and the faculty was known for holding advanced degrees

2144
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 2: from Harvard, Amherst, Yale, all of these different schools. So

2145
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 2: they kind of called it a beacon of excellence. And

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Speaker 2: it still stands today, the one in DC, but there

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Speaker 2: are many schools called Dunbar. And then I'll let you

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Speaker 2: finish when we talk about the people that graduated, like

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Speaker 2: Charles Drew, you know, the heap pioneered blood Plasma, Benjamin Davis,

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01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:15,800
Speaker 2: one of the Tuskegee Airmen, and the list goes on

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Speaker 2: and on of notables that came out of Dunbar, including

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Hudson and lou Rongs And so what do you

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01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 2: say about that? And did something happen in our society

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01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 2: to make sure there weren't more beacons of excellence for

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01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:33,080
Speaker 2: black America?

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for the question. I can say

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01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 8: this that what we typically have in places like done

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01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:50,040
Speaker 8: our high school that you talked about being founded in

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Speaker 8: eighteen seventy, teaching black children and producing generations of list say,

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01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 8: scholars and leaders that demonstrated what happens when we have

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01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 8: high expectations for black children, is that that school had

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01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:13,839
Speaker 8: a curriculum that was sort of I would say embedded

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01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:18,400
Speaker 8: within the heart and mind of teachers. That was not

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01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 8: just about trying to get people through things, but to

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01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 8: get people, to get our young people to thrive. How

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01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:31,120
Speaker 8: do we create the distinguished alumni and graduates and people

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01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:32,720
Speaker 8: who are going to do great things. Like what you

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01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 8: talked about earlier, you have to have a kind of

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01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 8: high expectation that makes it so that we come out

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Speaker 8: with a w on the other side. Now, Unfortunately, when

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01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:50,320
Speaker 8: I go around to schools, what I'm seeing are people

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01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 8: who first start off talking negatively about black kids, saying

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01:58:54,960 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 8: that they you know, we hope doctor Shockley, that message

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01:59:00,600 --> 01:59:03,880
Speaker 8: will get through to the kids because blah blah blah,

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01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 8: you feel in you fill in the blank something negative

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01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 8: about the kids. But when I go into schools where

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Speaker 8: black children are seen as brilliant scholars, it's a very

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01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 8: different kind of thing. So at a place like Dunbar

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01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:20,720
Speaker 8: High School, where you're talking about a history and a

2180
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 8: sort of a black education legacy, what you have to

2181
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 8: do is teach the kids using the culture. That was

2182
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:31,880
Speaker 8: what I was saying a minute ago, and that's the proverbs,

2183
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 8: that's the riddles, that's teaching them the things they need

2184
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 8: to know about math, who was in hotel. That's knowing.

2185
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 8: That's teachers knowing African and European philosophy and being able

2186
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:50,840
Speaker 8: to teach kids with using scientific principles. That's saying you

2187
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 8: may not get an A when you turn this paper in,

2188
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:59,080
Speaker 8: but you can redo the paper as many times as

2189
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:02,640
Speaker 8: you need to until it's excellent. Those are the kinds

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Speaker 8: of educators that make a difference for our young people

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02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,240
Speaker 8: and the kinds of people that we need in front

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02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 8: of our kids. But it is a fact that that

2193
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:14,800
Speaker 8: is not who is largely standing in front of our kids.

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02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:19,520
Speaker 8: Largely who's standing in front of our kids are people

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Speaker 8: who are struggling themselves to believe it or not even

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Speaker 8: be able to consume the curriculum that they're supposed to teach.

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Speaker 8: I can't tell you how often I see teachers who

2198
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:39,280
Speaker 8: themselves don't know they don't know the information that they're

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Speaker 8: supposed to teach children. One of the reasons why that happens,

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02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 8: and why some of that's done on purpose, is because

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Speaker 8: the curriculum continues to change so that it's almost impossible

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Speaker 8: for anybody to come and fully master the curriculum. So

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Speaker 8: that once because once you had it mastered, then you

2204
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,160
Speaker 8: have a certain kind of confidence in teaching the children.

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Speaker 8: But if you are constantly changing things and people never

2206
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:07,440
Speaker 8: feel a sense of ownership over the information they're supposed

2207
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:09,880
Speaker 8: to teach the kids, then you can guarantee that those

2208
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:14,440
Speaker 8: kids are also going to be ill informed and their

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Speaker 8: knowledge is not going to go forward.

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Speaker 5: So what do they do.

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Speaker 8: They make sure that the least qualified teachers and teachers

2212
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:24,200
Speaker 8: with the least amount of experience comes standing before our kids.

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Speaker 8: So we're being out played. We don't understand what's actually

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02:01:30,600 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 8: happening in these classrooms. And I'm happy and excited to

2215
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 8: know that you know, a place like Dunbar was doing

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02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:41,240
Speaker 8: great by black kids and using all the things that

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02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 8: relate to our culture, history and heritage to make us

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02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 8: competitive and to keep us where we need to be

2219
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 8: in terms of excellence. Not comparing ourselves in a conversation

2220
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:58,160
Speaker 8: about the gap, thet the wink of the achievement gap,

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02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:03,120
Speaker 8: but not comparing our twhite students, but comparing ourselves to excellence.

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02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 8: That's those are the kinds of black educators we need,

2223
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:14,040
Speaker 8: conscious African centered, deep knowledge, mastery over curriculum, and an

2224
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:17,480
Speaker 8: ability to reach children because they love the children and

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02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 8: don't see them as a problem.

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Speaker 1: Hold that thought right there. Twenty three away from the

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02:02:23,600 --> 02:02:25,760
Speaker 1: top day, Doctor Shakley, we got take a short break

2228
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:27,240
Speaker 1: and we come back. Got some more folks want to

2229
02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:28,520
Speaker 1: talk to you. We're talking about education.

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Speaker 7: Family.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Shockley is a Pan African educator. You want to

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02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 1: speak to him, reach out to us at eight hundred

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02:02:33,920 --> 02:02:36,760
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:39,520
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

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02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:41,400
Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning. And

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Speaker 1: I guess the educator doctor Kemmick Shockley. Doctor Shockley is

2237
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:48,680
Speaker 1: also an author, documentarian. What he does he teaches. He

2238
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: shares the techniques with the different schools and school administrators

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02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:55,120
Speaker 1: and teachers and how to effectively teach our children because

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Speaker 1: as he mentioned, not to children we need not special

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02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 1: attention are tension span to get their attention span, but

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02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,520
Speaker 1: a special way because we learned differently. And some people

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02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:07,480
Speaker 1: argue that case that we don't learn we don't we

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02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 1: learned it's the same everybody else, but the dtor shocking

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02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:14,280
Speaker 1: things that we learned differently or we absorb information differently.

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Speaker 1: I'll let him explain that before we go back, but

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02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,800
Speaker 1: also coming up later this week, you and hear from

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02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 1: naturopathic doctor doctor h. She's also a holistic, a traditional doctor,

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02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 1: and a naturopathic doctor. Also, who else is going to

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Speaker 1: be with us?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,280
Speaker 1: Of course I forgot his name. Is going to join

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02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: us as well, a psychologist, doctor Drowny Fox. So Dtor Shockley,

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Speaker 1: can you explain that I was trying to add did

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Speaker 1: a horrible job of doing it, that our children we'd

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Speaker 1: learned differently than other folks, or do we?

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Speaker 8: Well, the thing is everybody learned differently. So there's the

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02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:51,520
Speaker 8: idea that when they say that our children learn differently,

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02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:55,680
Speaker 8: there's some as opposed to who who are they being

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Speaker 8: compared to? So sometimes what happens is that they take

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02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:04,000
Speaker 8: white kids and make them the norm and then measure

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02:04:04,040 --> 02:04:07,120
Speaker 8: everybody up against that. So how do your kids learn

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02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 8: next to the standard?

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Speaker 1: Bear?

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Speaker 8: But when we look at what they call the tames

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02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 8: and things of that nature, those are the international tests

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02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:20,080
Speaker 8: that kids take compared to kids across the world, White

2268
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:24,839
Speaker 8: children are failing when you look at how they perform

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Speaker 8: compared to kids across the world. So we really don't

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02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:34,240
Speaker 8: want to compare black kids to a failing group. The

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02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:38,040
Speaker 8: United States actually doesn't come in in the top third.

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Speaker 8: When you look at comparisons across the board, the United

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02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:47,760
Speaker 8: States comes in about midway down a list of I

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02:04:47,800 --> 02:04:49,640
Speaker 8: don't know the exact number, but let's say there are

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Speaker 8: about fifty or sixty nations that take these international tests.

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Speaker 8: The United States is not doing well in those tests.

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Speaker 8: So I think we have to be careful about, you know,

2278
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:05,120
Speaker 8: comparing black kids. We have well say, prepared to who No,

2279
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 8: black kids aren't doing well because they don't get an

2280
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:14,240
Speaker 8: education that really is appropriate for trying to administrate our state,

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02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:19,240
Speaker 8: the black state. However, black white kids are failing too

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02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:22,280
Speaker 8: much to be the litmus test, all right.

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Speaker 1: And I was just going to say, if the country's

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02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:26,760
Speaker 1: failing and falling behind, they're going to blame our children

2285
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:31,360
Speaker 1: anyway for bringing down the score. So let's say let's

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Speaker 1: get rid of that notion. At sixteen away from the top,

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02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:35,280
Speaker 1: ass I much. You got a bunch of folks got

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Speaker 1: questions for you, doctor Shockley. Bob's in Buffalo, he's online

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02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,480
Speaker 1: for Grand Rising Bobby. A question for doctor Shockley.

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Speaker 23: You're air blessed little family. You talk about education as

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02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 23: is something that's exclusive to children. What is his opinion

2292
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 23: of lifelong learning and is there a point that you

2293
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:55,640
Speaker 23: think that we're.

2294
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:56,880
Speaker 11: Too old to learn?

2295
02:05:58,200 --> 02:06:01,920
Speaker 23: Should we focus on lifelong learning not beyond these twelve

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02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 23: years or whatever?

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Speaker 7: All right, good question, thanks Bob or Shockley.

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02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:11,800
Speaker 8: Thanks for the question. I think the caller is correct

2299
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:16,880
Speaker 8: that we should focus on lifelong learning one because new

2300
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:21,520
Speaker 8: information is constantly coming before us, the information that we

2301
02:06:21,640 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 8: don't know about, So of course we should have a

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02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 8: focus on learning forever. But what we have to do

2303
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:33,440
Speaker 8: is to take the things that we're learning and make

2304
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:37,400
Speaker 8: sure our young people know them so that we can

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02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:42,000
Speaker 8: stop losing in the in the war that we're in. So,

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02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:47,879
Speaker 8: you know, the caller's comment makes me think about marimba

2307
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:50,440
Speaker 8: Ani for some reason, and then her.

2308
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Speaker 6: Book You Rubu.

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Speaker 8: She's arguing that racism and right supremacy are not just

2310
02:06:55,560 --> 02:06:59,480
Speaker 8: for the political and economic systems, but they're manifestations of

2311
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:04,440
Speaker 8: a of a cultural orientation that I guess you could

2312
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:12,360
Speaker 8: say prioritizes control over freedom and fragmentation over harmony. So

2313
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:16,920
Speaker 8: there's a preference that you see in the dominant culture

2314
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:20,000
Speaker 8: for chaos. So one of the reasons why I think

2315
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:24,240
Speaker 8: people don't commit themselves to lifelong learning is because we're

2316
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 8: actually in a constant state of chaos, and the call

2317
02:07:29,320 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 8: the social media and things of that nature, these technologies

2318
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:36,920
Speaker 8: are being used to wrap us up in a bunch

2319
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Speaker 8: of chaos. I guess it wasn't they didn't do the

2320
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Speaker 8: trick they needed to do with the harmful sitcoms that

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02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:49,000
Speaker 8: were on television throughout the eighties and nineties that they

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02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:51,640
Speaker 8: put on, and people had the nerve to argue against

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02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:56,600
Speaker 8: the Cosby Show. But so what they've done now is

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02:07:57,440 --> 02:08:01,320
Speaker 8: created a situation where the children, instead of watching television

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Speaker 8: with their parents, they're online by themselves, looking at things

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02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:13,720
Speaker 8: that are causing them to be distracted and culturally kidnapped

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02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:18,560
Speaker 8: by the system of white supremacy. And then we're losing

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02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:24,080
Speaker 8: them to going inside of that screen. So what we're

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Speaker 8: looking at is a group of people who have a

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Speaker 8: preference for chaos, with control over our children and control

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Speaker 8: over what everybody is seeing and what we think is

2332
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:36,920
Speaker 8: normal to be caught up in all these things that

2333
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:41,040
Speaker 8: are happening all day every day that actually are very

2334
02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:48,280
Speaker 8: somewhat for the most part, meaningless. I think that's another

2335
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Speaker 8: reason why we have to be lifelong learners, because if

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02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:55,320
Speaker 8: you're not a lifelong learner, and you're not really studying

2337
02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:58,840
Speaker 8: and thinking about the system of racism, white supremacy and

2338
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:02,080
Speaker 8: how it harms black people. You're not aware of the

2339
02:09:02,160 --> 02:09:05,120
Speaker 8: fact that there is a constant war that's being waged

2340
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:08,880
Speaker 8: on black people. You think of that as just something

2341
02:09:08,920 --> 02:09:11,720
Speaker 8: somebody's saying on the Carl Nelson Show. You don't understand.

2342
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 8: But this is an actual real thing. So we lose

2343
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 8: because we're not committed to lifelong learning, reading, instead of

2344
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:28,760
Speaker 8: watching television, thinking, instead of being on the internet and

2345
02:09:28,960 --> 02:09:33,760
Speaker 8: looking at all this craziness that goes online. So I

2346
02:09:33,880 --> 02:09:36,160
Speaker 8: heard that some state is now about to I don't

2347
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:37,680
Speaker 8: know it's a state or I just heard it this

2348
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:39,760
Speaker 8: morning where somebody is going to try to limit the

2349
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:44,640
Speaker 8: amount of hours that young people, the kids can listen

2350
02:09:44,720 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 8: to watch through the internet. I'm so glad that's happening.

2351
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:50,640
Speaker 8: I don't know if it's going to actually work, but

2352
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:54,800
Speaker 8: we're losing the war to these folks.

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Speaker 24: Now.

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Speaker 8: Some people think we're winning the war because white people's

2355
02:09:57,520 --> 02:10:00,360
Speaker 8: numbers are going down and all these things, But it

2356
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:04,200
Speaker 8: won't matter if white people themselves aren't here. We'll carry

2357
02:10:04,240 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 8: on the traditions for them, and we'll be much worse

2358
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:11,080
Speaker 8: because we'll have a white supremacist mindset, lack of knowledge

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Speaker 8: of self, and a general meanness that sometimes we carry

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Speaker 8: when we're not knowledgeable about who we are. So we

2361
02:10:18,280 --> 02:10:20,960
Speaker 8: don't need white people to have a system of white supremacy.

2362
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,960
Speaker 8: All we need is a lack of knowledge and black

2363
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 8: people who are not committed to the cultural trans culturally

2364
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:32,960
Speaker 8: us a cultural transformative aspects of African centered thinking and

2365
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:37,920
Speaker 8: education for kids. We can be worset white supremacists than

2366
02:10:37,960 --> 02:10:40,800
Speaker 8: they could ever be with that combination of factors. So yes,

2367
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:42,720
Speaker 8: lifelong learning, learning is critical.

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Speaker 1: All right, turn away from the top aur. Sister Serrita's

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Speaker 1: checking in from California from La Grand Rising. Sister Serta,

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Speaker 1: your question for a Doctor SHAKLEI Yes.

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Speaker 25: Good morning, Carls. Great great show today, great quality. I

2372
02:10:56,840 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 25: just enjoy listening to doctor Chakra. Agree with everything that

2373
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:04,080
Speaker 25: he said, but I want to touch on a few things.

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02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:08,320
Speaker 25: The first thing, Doctor Shaka is I was raised by

2375
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:11,640
Speaker 25: my dad's mom, who I consider mom. She was born

2376
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:14,560
Speaker 25: nineteen eighteen and I can recall when I was in

2377
02:11:14,680 --> 02:11:18,720
Speaker 25: elementary school that she would come up to the school

2378
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:22,240
Speaker 25: if she didn't understand something like during parent conference. But

2379
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:25,000
Speaker 25: even before parent conferences, like when I would bring math home,

2380
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:27,600
Speaker 25: she would be like, Okay, I don't get this. So

2381
02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:29,200
Speaker 25: she would go up to the school and ask the

2382
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:33,240
Speaker 25: teacher to show her the method of what I was learning.

2383
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:35,320
Speaker 25: And that way, when I come home, if I had

2384
02:11:35,320 --> 02:11:37,480
Speaker 25: any questions, she could help me. That's the first thing.

2385
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:41,440
Speaker 25: The second thing is that during my time in first grade,

2386
02:11:42,080 --> 02:11:44,720
Speaker 25: she would have she would tell the ask the teacher, hey,

2387
02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:47,080
Speaker 25: is there something you could send her home with over

2388
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:51,760
Speaker 25: the weekend to where before she's able to go outside,

2389
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,640
Speaker 25: she could do some kind of curriculum. I would literally

2390
02:11:54,720 --> 02:11:57,440
Speaker 25: and you know, back in the seventies they had it

2391
02:11:57,600 --> 02:12:01,160
Speaker 25: was just a paragraph that was in the book, and

2392
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:04,000
Speaker 25: so she would have me read that read that paragraph,

2393
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:06,240
Speaker 25: and then I would have to turn around and write

2394
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 25: about it.

2395
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:08,760
Speaker 9: It didn't matter how.

2396
02:12:08,720 --> 02:12:11,360
Speaker 25: Much, you know, what how I wrote about She just

2397
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:13,840
Speaker 25: wanted to know that I could retain it. But also

2398
02:12:14,120 --> 02:12:16,480
Speaker 25: she would have me look up the words that I

2399
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:20,360
Speaker 25: did not understand, and so I was I was introduced

2400
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:22,800
Speaker 25: to the dictionary very very early. And you are so

2401
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:26,800
Speaker 25: right about reading. She was such an avid reader to

2402
02:12:26,920 --> 02:12:30,480
Speaker 25: where she this is what she was, you know, trying

2403
02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:33,480
Speaker 25: to direct me too, and that is to read. And

2404
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:37,440
Speaker 25: so I wanted to ask two questions and tell you

2405
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:39,840
Speaker 25: what I'm doing with my grandson. The first thing is,

2406
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:43,640
Speaker 25: what would you say is the difference in the all

2407
02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:47,160
Speaker 25: black school in Baltimore with the all black school the

2408
02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:51,120
Speaker 25: boy the all boys Black school in Baltimore and the

2409
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:54,320
Speaker 25: triumphs that they're going through right now, and what would

2410
02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 25: be considered the difference than the one at Marcus the

2411
02:12:58,240 --> 02:13:02,680
Speaker 25: one here in Los Angeles, Marcus Garvey, because they're lasting

2412
02:13:02,840 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 25: long whereas they're messing with But it goes back to

2413
02:13:05,320 --> 02:13:08,200
Speaker 25: what you were saying too about white folks, you know,

2414
02:13:09,040 --> 02:13:12,680
Speaker 25: not wanting our children to be taught outside of them,

2415
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:16,760
Speaker 25: doe to fear of themselves. But also I wanted to

2416
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:20,240
Speaker 25: know I for my grandson. My grandson, he'll be seven

2417
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:22,680
Speaker 25: in April, and I mean it may and so I

2418
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:27,560
Speaker 25: do not allow him to bring a good tablet to

2419
02:13:27,680 --> 02:13:30,200
Speaker 25: my house, like he can't do that. And so I've

2420
02:13:30,280 --> 02:13:33,040
Speaker 25: been researching and doing things as far as like how

2421
02:13:33,120 --> 02:13:35,400
Speaker 25: my mom used to do with me, and that is

2422
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:39,600
Speaker 25: by a workbook, have him work, you know, do things

2423
02:13:39,640 --> 02:13:42,200
Speaker 25: of the work book. And I remember my mom, but

2424
02:13:42,280 --> 02:13:44,800
Speaker 25: I'm thinking like that So my question to you is

2425
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:51,040
Speaker 25: should I allow the tablet to come. However, what I'm

2426
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:54,240
Speaker 25: thinking is of doing is have him work on a

2427
02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:59,000
Speaker 25: curriculum and then have some time on the on the tablet,

2428
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:01,600
Speaker 25: like for me when my girls. My girls graduated high

2429
02:14:01,640 --> 02:14:04,160
Speaker 25: school in twenty seventeen. Now I have one that is

2430
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:08,360
Speaker 25: graduating film school next week. And I didn't give them

2431
02:14:08,440 --> 02:14:11,680
Speaker 25: a cell phone early on. They didn't get one until

2432
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:15,440
Speaker 25: senior year. So they had that phone that if I

2433
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:17,680
Speaker 25: needed to get in contact, the minute one where you

2434
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:20,160
Speaker 25: put the minutes on it. So they wasn't they wasn't

2435
02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:25,000
Speaker 25: social media accessible early on. They didn't get that until

2436
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:28,640
Speaker 25: way way later, or what would be considered way later.

2437
02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:31,720
Speaker 25: I also did the method of not allowing them to

2438
02:14:31,800 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 25: watch television during the week, like my mom did with me.

2439
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 25: I couldn't watch television during the week.

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02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:37,680
Speaker 8: I could only do it.

2441
02:14:37,960 --> 02:14:42,520
Speaker 7: Right put in a question because heading to break a

2442
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:43,680
Speaker 7: chance to respond.

2443
02:14:43,400 --> 02:14:48,160
Speaker 25: Sir, okay, Carl. So my thing is what does he

2444
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:50,640
Speaker 25: think about what I'm the direction I'm looking to go

2445
02:14:50,720 --> 02:14:55,520
Speaker 25: in with my grandson, but grandsons, but also what does

2446
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:58,560
Speaker 25: he think is the difference of the closing with the

2447
02:14:58,640 --> 02:15:00,640
Speaker 25: school in Baltimore and Marcus Garvin.

2448
02:15:00,680 --> 02:15:01,480
Speaker 14: I take my comment sary.

2449
02:15:01,680 --> 02:15:03,360
Speaker 25: Thank you Carl, and thank you to your guests.

2450
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 8: Yes, thank you so much for that question, sister. I

2451
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:15,440
Speaker 8: appreciate that. You know, I think that that the thing

2452
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:18,960
Speaker 8: that she's doing that's very helpful is that she's thinking

2453
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:25,000
Speaker 8: about what to do in relationship to teaching her grandchildren.

2454
02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:28,840
Speaker 8: As opposed to just saying bring the note, bring the

2455
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:32,320
Speaker 8: chromebook or whatever it is into the house. You're actually

2456
02:15:32,520 --> 02:15:35,240
Speaker 8: thinking about whether or not the chromebook should be in there,

2457
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:38,080
Speaker 8: so I know, if it comes in, you're also going

2458
02:15:38,160 --> 02:15:43,160
Speaker 8: to be thinking about what he or she the grandchildren

2459
02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:46,440
Speaker 8: are doing with the chromebook. So, in other words, what

2460
02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:49,560
Speaker 8: I'm saying is that you already have the kind of

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Speaker 8: discern you're being discerning about what's going to be going

2462
02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:58,080
Speaker 8: on on here. You're not going to leave your grandkids

2463
02:15:58,680 --> 02:16:00,720
Speaker 8: there to sort of do whatever they want to with

2464
02:16:00,920 --> 02:16:04,600
Speaker 8: the chromebook, when unfortunately, a lot of times that's what's happening,

2465
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:08,440
Speaker 8: is that our kids are being left and they using

2466
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:14,480
Speaker 8: those devices as babysitter, and then babysitter attacks and kidnaps

2467
02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:18,800
Speaker 8: the kids, sending them into a white supremacist or anti

2468
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:22,200
Speaker 8: black rabbit hole or some other kind of rabbit hole

2469
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:25,360
Speaker 8: that causes problems and the thinking of our kids. So

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02:16:25,960 --> 02:16:28,520
Speaker 8: I think, you know, you can make a decision either

2471
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 8: way and be okay because you're trying to actually be

2472
02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:36,160
Speaker 8: involved and make decisions about what happens if that chromebook

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02:16:36,200 --> 02:16:41,040
Speaker 8: comes in there. I don't have specific information about the

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02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:44,240
Speaker 8: closing of the school in Baltimore. I'm aware of the

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02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:46,640
Speaker 8: fact that there's a boys' school in Baltimore. I believe

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02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:51,240
Speaker 8: it's a charter school that's being closed. They've vaguely heard

2477
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:53,000
Speaker 8: some things. I have to get more caught up on that.

2478
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:57,840
Speaker 8: But when it comes to charter schools, people have to

2479
02:16:57,920 --> 02:16:59,959
Speaker 8: remember that a charter school is a public school.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 8: Often, I mean, I don't know if it's the case here,

2482
02:17:04,879 --> 02:17:08,120
Speaker 8: but often when these places are to have measures of

2483
02:17:08,200 --> 02:17:11,120
Speaker 8: success is when you'll see them start to have trouble.

2484
02:17:12,920 --> 02:17:15,880
Speaker 8: It's the opposite of what you might think, where oh,

2485
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:18,080
Speaker 8: they're going to close the school, so it must be

2486
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:20,360
Speaker 8: that they're not doing a good job. In our case,

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02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:26,480
Speaker 8: oftentimes it's the opposite. Now, remember that a charter school

2488
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:34,680
Speaker 8: operates oftentimes under the governance structures of the public school system.

2489
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Speaker 8: The real thing what a charter school is and what

2490
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:40,640
Speaker 8: it does is it allows the folks to have what

2491
02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:45,800
Speaker 8: they call an l EA, a local education association that

2492
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:48,360
Speaker 8: runs the charter school on a to day to day

2493
02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:51,000
Speaker 8: kind of function. But they're still under all of the

2494
02:17:51,080 --> 02:17:54,200
Speaker 8: government structures. They're not like a private school where a

2495
02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:57,680
Speaker 8: person can say is we're doing this thing over here.

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02:17:57,800 --> 02:18:00,200
Speaker 8: We're not going to be accredited. We're going to do

2497
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:03,880
Speaker 8: what works for us, and we have us ob dis

2498
02:18:03,879 --> 02:18:07,040
Speaker 8: sovereign ability to make decisions for ourselves. Charter school don't

2499
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:10,320
Speaker 8: have anything like that as in relationship to what they're

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02:18:10,360 --> 02:18:10,800
Speaker 8: able to do.

2501
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Speaker 1: So right and I hold up though, right there, Dtor

2502
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:15,360
Speaker 1: Shakley got to step us ode for a few moments

2503
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:17,720
Speaker 1: so our stations can identify themselves down the line per

2504
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:19,400
Speaker 1: of the FCC, you still got a bunch of folks

2505
02:18:19,400 --> 02:18:21,199
Speaker 1: w want to talk to you. It's three minutes away

2506
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:23,200
Speaker 1: from the top of the our family. I guess it

2507
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:26,480
Speaker 1: is educated doctor Kemmick Shockley. You got a question about education,

2508
02:18:26,600 --> 02:18:29,840
Speaker 1: about our children, about even adult education. You can reach

2509
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:32,760
Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

2510
02:18:33,080 --> 02:18:35,440
Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

2511
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:38,160
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family and thanks for rolling with us on

2512
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:41,879
Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning, and Happy Ramadan to all our Muslim

2513
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:45,880
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. Also, it's ash Wednesdays tomorrow, so today

2514
02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:49,000
Speaker 1: means that it's Carnival or Mardi Gras. Take a place

2515
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:52,080
Speaker 1: down there for our litions down there in the New Orleans,

2516
02:18:52,240 --> 02:18:55,560
Speaker 1: they have Mardi Gras today, but today this evening starts Ramadan.

2517
02:18:55,640 --> 02:18:58,199
Speaker 1: And I guess right now though, is doctor Kemick Shockley.

2518
02:18:58,320 --> 02:19:00,920
Speaker 1: He's an educator, and have to chalk down that you're

2519
02:19:00,920 --> 02:19:03,879
Speaker 1: finished responding your response to the three this question, then

2520
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:05,480
Speaker 1: we've got some more folks got questions for you.

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02:19:06,840 --> 02:19:09,200
Speaker 8: Well, I think I was pretty much finished up there.

2522
02:19:09,320 --> 02:19:13,640
Speaker 8: I was just basically saying that it is really important

2523
02:19:13,680 --> 02:19:16,760
Speaker 8: that we watch what's happening with our young people and

2524
02:19:16,920 --> 02:19:21,160
Speaker 8: don't trust any anything that's not owned by us. If

2525
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:25,720
Speaker 8: it's a charter school, don't trust it. Don't trust public schools,

2526
02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:28,120
Speaker 8: don't trust celebrities. These are things that we have to

2527
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:34,360
Speaker 8: not trust because they're connected to the chaos system. Is

2528
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:40,119
Speaker 8: Canal Cambone used to call these call these things cesspool

2529
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 8: related to cesspoolians. So I think it's really important for

2530
02:19:44,360 --> 02:19:49,080
Speaker 8: us to understand what is what exactly what constitutes this cesspool?

2531
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:51,920
Speaker 8: Uh so, yeah, I think those are things we have

2532
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:55,120
Speaker 8: to understand and not, you know, I would, I don't

2533
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:57,760
Speaker 8: think that. I think the thing we can trust our

2534
02:19:57,840 --> 02:20:00,960
Speaker 8: African centered uh private schools.

2535
02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:01,960
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2536
02:20:02,720 --> 02:20:05,240
Speaker 8: There are some African center charter schools that I think

2537
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:08,120
Speaker 8: perhaps can be trusted, But I think the thing we

2538
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:12,160
Speaker 8: can trust is African centered private schools, and we have

2539
02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:13,720
Speaker 8: to make sure they're excellent as well.

2540
02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:16,640
Speaker 1: Gotcha three after the top, as I mess you got

2541
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:18,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks got questions for you. Let's go

2542
02:20:18,400 --> 02:20:22,240
Speaker 1: to line three. Thomas has calling from Baltimore at Grand Rising. Thomas,

2543
02:20:22,280 --> 02:20:23,920
Speaker 1: your question for doctor Shockley.

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02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:28,240
Speaker 13: Good morning, Carl Goodman and Kevin, Good morning, doctor Shockley.

2545
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:34,240
Speaker 13: The doctor was right when when these charter schools are

2546
02:20:34,280 --> 02:20:38,280
Speaker 13: the one they're closing in Baltimore for instance, Right, that's

2547
02:20:38,400 --> 02:20:40,120
Speaker 13: not being so much closed by the.

2548
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:41,640
Speaker 11: White folks, Doctor Schocoley.

2549
02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:47,440
Speaker 13: We have a black superintendent here in Baltimore, doctor Sodro

2550
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:53,480
Speaker 13: sandalisis anything pertaining to black excellence, she shuts it down.

2551
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:56,680
Speaker 13: She completely shuts it down.

2552
02:20:57,280 --> 02:20:58,680
Speaker 5: Even our well.

2553
02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:04,760
Speaker 13: Known black schools that's name after our ancestors and our historians,

2554
02:21:05,240 --> 02:21:09,240
Speaker 13: is being shut down and sold to different people for

2555
02:21:09,400 --> 02:21:15,240
Speaker 13: one dollar. Okay, set a whole school building for one dollar.

2556
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:20,160
Speaker 13: Dtr Shockley. If you tell me Thomas, two plus two

2557
02:21:20,840 --> 02:21:24,720
Speaker 13: is equals four, and I say, yes, I agree with that.

2558
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:28,200
Speaker 13: And if I tell you, doctor Shockley, three plus one

2559
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:31,520
Speaker 13: equals four, why did I fail?

2560
02:21:34,400 --> 02:21:34,520
Speaker 3: Hm?

2561
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:37,000
Speaker 18: Wow?

2562
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:43,680
Speaker 13: We both came up with the same answers. Yes, we

2563
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:46,960
Speaker 13: both came up with the same answer. Now, but we

2564
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:51,760
Speaker 13: came up with different methods of different equations of getting

2565
02:21:51,800 --> 02:21:55,680
Speaker 13: the answer. Yours was two plus two, mine was three

2566
02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:56,200
Speaker 13: plus one.

2567
02:21:56,879 --> 02:21:58,280
Speaker 9: They both equal four.

2568
02:21:58,920 --> 02:22:02,760
Speaker 13: But because I saw I think outside of the box

2569
02:22:02,879 --> 02:22:06,039
Speaker 13: like that and give you another way of looking at it.

2570
02:22:06,760 --> 02:22:07,520
Speaker 8: You fail me.

2571
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:09,000
Speaker 12: Why is that.

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02:22:11,240 --> 02:22:11,400
Speaker 7: Right?

2573
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:12,920
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2574
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:16,080
Speaker 13: And that's what's happening with our kids, man. Our kids

2575
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:19,440
Speaker 13: are It's not so much our kids are not being challenged.

2576
02:22:20,200 --> 02:22:23,600
Speaker 13: Our kids, most of our kids are smarter than some

2577
02:22:23,720 --> 02:22:27,720
Speaker 13: of these teachers that they're putting, so called educators that

2578
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:31,160
Speaker 13: they're putting in these school systems to teach these kids.

2579
02:22:32,360 --> 02:22:35,600
Speaker 13: I mean, come on, man, we've seen this, We've seen

2580
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:39,199
Speaker 13: this playbook before. They used to say, if you ever

2581
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:43,640
Speaker 13: want to keep something from a black person, what did

2582
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:46,280
Speaker 13: they always tell you, doctor Shockley put it in a book.

2583
02:22:47,440 --> 02:22:49,960
Speaker 1: Right, all right, let's give me a chance to respond,

2584
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:51,760
Speaker 1: thanks Thomas, because we've got a bunch of folks that

2585
02:22:51,879 --> 02:22:54,680
Speaker 1: I got questions for, doctor Shockley, doctor Shocky, want to

2586
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:55,879
Speaker 1: respond what Thomas just said.

2587
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:00,000
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think what I'm hearing him say

2588
02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:02,320
Speaker 8: say is that we're in a war with the system

2589
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:07,280
Speaker 8: of racism, white supremacy, and we're not necessarily winning. So

2590
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:11,720
Speaker 8: in education, we're certainly not winning. Some people feel as

2591
02:23:11,800 --> 02:23:14,960
Speaker 8: though we're winning in other fields. In other places, I

2592
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:17,680
Speaker 8: don't know. But one thing we have in education that's

2593
02:23:17,720 --> 02:23:20,320
Speaker 8: awesome that we don't have in some fields is we

2594
02:23:20,440 --> 02:23:24,120
Speaker 8: have an answer. We have a solution, but we've been

2595
02:23:24,320 --> 02:23:30,240
Speaker 8: educated away from the solution that we should be taking.

2596
02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:30,800
Speaker 11: In and using.

2597
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:35,760
Speaker 8: And many of us aren't sure. Now we have the

2598
02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:40,600
Speaker 8: system of white supremacy, which is definitely a problem, and

2599
02:23:40,680 --> 02:23:43,440
Speaker 8: then we have African centered education, but you're not sure

2600
02:23:43,480 --> 02:23:46,880
Speaker 8: about that, so you stay away from that side. It's

2601
02:23:46,959 --> 02:23:51,120
Speaker 8: a type of thinking that could only come from your master.

2602
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:55,280
Speaker 8: So what we have to do is to think about

2603
02:23:55,360 --> 02:23:59,920
Speaker 8: the ways in which we are we sort of own

2604
02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:03,280
Speaker 8: owned by this system of white supremacy because of the

2605
02:24:03,360 --> 02:24:06,040
Speaker 8: creature comforts that some of us get from it. We

2606
02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:10,039
Speaker 8: become careerists, people who are really more focused on trying

2607
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:12,920
Speaker 8: to have a good career than trying to do something

2608
02:24:12,959 --> 02:24:15,280
Speaker 8: about the conditions and situations under which we live and

2609
02:24:15,360 --> 02:24:18,800
Speaker 8: under which our young people live. So what I hear

2610
02:24:18,840 --> 02:24:22,440
Speaker 8: the caller saying is that he's frustrated about the fact

2611
02:24:22,520 --> 02:24:25,560
Speaker 8: that we're in a war, but we walk around every

2612
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:29,360
Speaker 8: day operating, talking to each other as though we're not

2613
02:24:29,600 --> 02:24:33,600
Speaker 8: in a war. So you will end up with things

2614
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:36,840
Speaker 8: like what we have now, and that is our young

2615
02:24:36,959 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 8: people being educated away from the interests of our community.

2616
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:47,120
Speaker 8: They're being taught in such ways that are causing us

2617
02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:50,959
Speaker 8: to wonder who they are, and we're looking at them

2618
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:55,120
Speaker 8: sometimes wondering what is that thing there, and what that

2619
02:24:55,320 --> 02:24:59,520
Speaker 8: thing is is often a manifestation of the system of

2620
02:24:59,600 --> 02:25:02,840
Speaker 8: racism white supremacy than a sixteen year old black kid.

2621
02:25:03,480 --> 02:25:06,160
Speaker 8: So we are going to have to be much more

2622
02:25:06,200 --> 02:25:10,320
Speaker 8: aggressive about protecting black children. Once I've had this before

2623
02:25:10,400 --> 02:25:15,480
Speaker 8: on this program. Black children do see what happened to

2624
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:20,160
Speaker 8: Trayvon Martin, and they saw the black community unable to

2625
02:25:20,400 --> 02:25:24,240
Speaker 8: deal with on forgetting the fool's name who killed him.

2626
02:25:24,879 --> 02:25:30,520
Speaker 8: A Zimmermann. They saw that they saw us unable to

2627
02:25:31,000 --> 02:25:34,080
Speaker 8: handle Zimmerman and that he got away scott free with

2628
02:25:34,200 --> 02:25:36,640
Speaker 8: killing a black child, And so what does that put

2629
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:40,000
Speaker 8: into the consciousness of our young people? And then they

2630
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:43,480
Speaker 8: see all these other examples Mike Brown and these things

2631
02:25:43,879 --> 02:25:49,080
Speaker 8: of black teenagers and young people being calmed, and the

2632
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:54,760
Speaker 8: Black community unable to use its leadership, its power, its organization,

2633
02:25:54,920 --> 02:25:58,160
Speaker 8: the failure of the Congressional Black Caucus and other organizations

2634
02:25:58,240 --> 02:26:02,279
Speaker 8: that we have in our community to do anything about

2635
02:26:02,480 --> 02:26:05,280
Speaker 8: the harm that's coming to them. So that's what I

2636
02:26:05,360 --> 02:26:08,000
Speaker 8: heard in the caller's comment, and I understand that frustration

2637
02:26:08,120 --> 02:26:08,440
Speaker 8: as well.

2638
02:26:09,480 --> 02:26:11,760
Speaker 1: Wow, that's deep. Ten half that top they all. It

2639
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:14,400
Speaker 1: takes some more calls for doctor shackle Shandford is checking

2640
02:26:14,440 --> 02:26:17,960
Speaker 1: in from Jersey's Online One Grant Rising Shamford, your question

2641
02:26:18,040 --> 02:26:19,279
Speaker 1: for doctor Shockley.

2642
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:24,520
Speaker 10: Grand Magene more of a point of reference in a

2643
02:26:24,600 --> 02:26:30,960
Speaker 10: question about African cented schools after consented education and then

2644
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:36,640
Speaker 10: the public school system. I was talking to Chacol on

2645
02:26:36,680 --> 02:26:40,160
Speaker 10: Billy Shaka and you know, Shango, I'm really sccking you

2646
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:45,520
Speaker 10: know the brother in Boston that you mentioned. Yeah, yeah,

2647
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:51,840
Speaker 10: And I'm currently writing a book about how to create

2648
02:26:51,879 --> 02:26:56,400
Speaker 10: a standalone afric kind of studies program, Black Africana studies

2649
02:26:56,440 --> 02:27:00,440
Speaker 10: program and the secondary schools in the country using a

2650
02:27:00,480 --> 02:27:04,160
Speaker 10: school I worked at as a marvel. And the school

2651
02:27:04,280 --> 02:27:07,320
Speaker 10: was in Newark, New Jersey. And the program was a

2652
02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:12,560
Speaker 10: seventeen year program, a two year but two years and

2653
02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:15,480
Speaker 10: in other words, you had two secteens two years to

2654
02:27:15,560 --> 02:27:21,240
Speaker 10: study it. And it began in nineteen sixty nine. It

2655
02:27:21,400 --> 02:27:24,840
Speaker 10: ran through nineteen eighty six, and it was in the

2656
02:27:24,879 --> 02:27:29,120
Speaker 10: public school. And I was born and raised in Newyark,

2657
02:27:29,400 --> 02:27:32,600
Speaker 10: went to the school in York, went to HBCU. And

2658
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:36,280
Speaker 10: when I arrived at the New York public schools after

2659
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:41,680
Speaker 10: graduating from college, I discovered that they did not allow

2660
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:44,160
Speaker 10: black people to teach history on a high school level.

2661
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:51,520
Speaker 10: From eighteen thirty eight in nineteen sixty seven, only three

2662
02:27:51,640 --> 02:27:56,200
Speaker 10: black people were allowed to be tenured teachers working in

2663
02:27:56,440 --> 02:27:59,880
Speaker 10: the high schools of York. Only three from eighteen thirty

2664
02:28:00,040 --> 02:28:06,280
Speaker 10: eight in nineteen sixty seven. And so therefore when I

2665
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:09,960
Speaker 10: came into that system, they put me in one of

2666
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:15,600
Speaker 10: these formerly Jewish schools now black to quiet down the

2667
02:28:16,920 --> 02:28:20,600
Speaker 10: Community Committee for Unified New York and the Near Lowacer

2668
02:28:21,440 --> 02:28:25,040
Speaker 10: after the rebellion. They then began bobbying, decried to get

2669
02:28:25,160 --> 02:28:28,000
Speaker 10: more black teachers teaching history on a high school level,

2670
02:28:28,480 --> 02:28:31,640
Speaker 10: among other things in the education arena. So I went

2671
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:35,480
Speaker 10: to the school and I was trying to teach the

2672
02:28:35,640 --> 02:28:38,920
Speaker 10: history that they told me to teach, but to clip

2673
02:28:39,000 --> 02:28:41,640
Speaker 10: them wouldn't allow it and the books didn't allow it.

2674
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:44,520
Speaker 10: And the chairman told me I was teaching black stuff.

2675
02:28:45,560 --> 02:28:48,240
Speaker 10: So I told him what I think I wanted to

2676
02:28:48,320 --> 02:28:51,440
Speaker 10: do then, to create a black studies program. And the

2677
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:54,160
Speaker 10: chairman said to me, I don't know how going to

2678
02:28:54,240 --> 02:28:58,240
Speaker 10: create a black history program because there's not enough teacher

2679
02:28:58,360 --> 02:29:04,279
Speaker 10: make a program. So I then went to the guidance

2680
02:29:04,600 --> 02:29:06,680
Speaker 10: people there in the school and they thought it was

2681
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:07,240
Speaker 10: a good idea.

2682
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:08,160
Speaker 11: And now the school was.

2683
02:29:08,200 --> 02:29:11,840
Speaker 10: Almost all black, and so I went over the summer

2684
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:15,280
Speaker 10: and created a curriculum for this study. And so in

2685
02:29:15,400 --> 02:29:19,840
Speaker 10: nineteen sixty nine we created a Holelestic African Center program

2686
02:29:19,959 --> 02:29:23,240
Speaker 10: in a public high school. And there was in every

2687
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:27,879
Speaker 10: way that so I feel that while the public schools

2688
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:32,800
Speaker 10: are suspect and all those things, myself, I had four

2689
02:29:32,920 --> 02:29:37,040
Speaker 10: children and my children stought in you know, African Scoreen

2690
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:39,440
Speaker 10: Centered School by Chad School in Newark. I don't know

2691
02:29:39,480 --> 02:29:41,720
Speaker 10: if you've heard of it, but it was an African

2692
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:45,520
Speaker 10: centered school in Newark, New Jersey. Now, I thought my

2693
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:48,480
Speaker 10: children would be better off getting that from now. When

2694
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:51,320
Speaker 10: I became an educator and began teaching.

2695
02:29:51,440 --> 02:29:52,959
Speaker 11: This course of study at that school.

2696
02:29:53,640 --> 02:29:57,480
Speaker 10: The very first year the course opened, there were ten sections,

2697
02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:01,000
Speaker 10: over two hundred and fifty children once of course, and

2698
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:04,240
Speaker 10: this thing and it grew and it was a very

2699
02:30:04,320 --> 02:30:07,880
Speaker 10: powerful course. It was African centered. It didn't use it

2700
02:30:07,959 --> 02:30:11,720
Speaker 10: turn that concentricity because doctor Fante is the one who

2701
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:16,120
Speaker 10: brought that out to society. But during the course of

2702
02:30:16,680 --> 02:30:20,200
Speaker 10: this program, we would bring in uh the lecturers like

2703
02:30:20,400 --> 02:30:24,600
Speaker 10: uh doctor Ben Johannah, doctor John ham Rick Fox, doctor

2704
02:30:24,680 --> 02:30:30,200
Speaker 10: Lennon Jefferies, and we brought minutes of Lewis part of time.

2705
02:30:30,280 --> 02:30:34,120
Speaker 10: We brought whim comforts, and we also had a conference

2706
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:37,240
Speaker 10: phone where we talked to people around the country about

2707
02:30:37,360 --> 02:30:40,720
Speaker 10: news in the world. It's a very ruci revolution and

2708
02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:42,240
Speaker 10: everything just layed. New Jersey.

2709
02:30:42,320 --> 02:30:45,640
Speaker 1: Provide right and Shafford is your favorite. Put a camp

2710
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:47,200
Speaker 1: on it, because we've got a bunch of folks.

2711
02:30:48,360 --> 02:30:51,119
Speaker 7: Get to the point. For doctor Shaky, I'm.

2712
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:53,680
Speaker 10: Giving some information because I want to connect with doctor

2713
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:57,640
Speaker 10: Shockton because after concerned, education is very important and I

2714
02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:01,039
Speaker 10: want to get in that phone number and he can

2715
02:31:01,680 --> 02:31:03,360
Speaker 10: or he can get me his phone number, how you

2716
02:31:03,720 --> 02:31:07,400
Speaker 10: want to do it, or he can call the shango

2717
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:09,640
Speaker 10: up uh and ask him for my number.

2718
02:31:09,959 --> 02:31:11,720
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you what We're going to put you

2719
02:31:11,800 --> 02:31:15,600
Speaker 1: on hold and Kevin will get your number for doctor Shockley.

2720
02:31:15,640 --> 02:31:18,600
Speaker 1: But I thank you for your thoughts Sandford. Doctor you

2721
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:21,800
Speaker 1: want to comment on anything, go ahead real quick.

2722
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:26,480
Speaker 10: I wasn't giving a speech about something that's not real

2723
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:29,439
Speaker 10: or and I'm really getting an information.

2724
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's good, But we have we have some

2725
02:31:33,879 --> 02:31:35,480
Speaker 1: of the folks who want to get to him as well.

2726
02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:38,480
Speaker 1: Sand Frich. I just wanted to be generous for the time. Okay,

2727
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:40,440
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm not trying to rush you. But we've

2728
02:31:40,480 --> 02:31:41,920
Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of people want to talk to

2729
02:31:42,040 --> 02:31:45,160
Speaker 1: doctor Shockley. Doctor Shockley, can you respond to anything.

2730
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:45,520
Speaker 7: That he just said?

2731
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:50,920
Speaker 8: Thank you to Baba Sandford for all the work that

2732
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:54,560
Speaker 8: he's doing uh in that area up there. And I

2733
02:31:54,680 --> 02:31:59,640
Speaker 8: think it's critical that we acknowledge the elders in the

2734
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:02,720
Speaker 8: who are doing great work and have been at it

2735
02:32:02,959 --> 02:32:07,000
Speaker 8: for a long time. We do have people who have

2736
02:32:07,160 --> 02:32:10,480
Speaker 8: been working on this case for a lot longer than

2737
02:32:10,520 --> 02:32:13,640
Speaker 8: I have been, and I think that he's one of them,

2738
02:32:14,240 --> 02:32:16,640
Speaker 8: and so I just want to say a Sante Sona,

2739
02:32:16,680 --> 02:32:19,720
Speaker 8: thank you very much for all the contributions that you're making.

2740
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:25,640
Speaker 8: It's important for us to understand that we have elders

2741
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:29,920
Speaker 8: in our community who have sacrificed and get it. Some

2742
02:32:29,959 --> 02:32:34,080
Speaker 8: people sacrifice, some people just making dedication to making sure

2743
02:32:34,120 --> 02:32:37,400
Speaker 8: that our young people have education spaces that are the

2744
02:32:37,480 --> 02:32:39,959
Speaker 8: kind that we would actually want them to have, while

2745
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:43,560
Speaker 8: other people get a lot of accolades for doing nothing

2746
02:32:44,280 --> 02:32:48,640
Speaker 8: except lifting up their career. So Boba Sandford is one

2747
02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:51,360
Speaker 8: of those people that, yes, and I definitely would like

2748
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:54,200
Speaker 8: his number, but he's one of those people who I

2749
02:32:54,320 --> 02:32:59,120
Speaker 8: think isn't getting the kind of accolade but while, you know,

2750
02:33:00,240 --> 02:33:02,480
Speaker 8: while other people do. And so we just need to

2751
02:33:02,520 --> 02:33:05,520
Speaker 8: be aware of the fact that we do have these

2752
02:33:05,560 --> 02:33:09,120
Speaker 8: folks who are working really hard, like they like Baba

2753
02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:14,960
Speaker 8: Kwameaja Koto did throughout his whole life, Baba sam Yika

2754
02:33:15,080 --> 02:33:17,240
Speaker 8: who's out in Saint Louis and the work that he's done,

2755
02:33:17,959 --> 02:33:21,280
Speaker 8: uh and so many mamas and Baba Zone that I've

2756
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:24,879
Speaker 8: mentioned while I've been on the air that I think

2757
02:33:24,920 --> 02:33:27,400
Speaker 8: are just critical people that we should know about. Sometimes

2758
02:33:27,440 --> 02:33:30,000
Speaker 8: we don't know about them because they're not as flashy,

2759
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:34,000
Speaker 8: we don't their name doesn't hold as much sort of

2760
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:38,760
Speaker 8: limelight as other names. But I've tried to use the

2761
02:33:38,840 --> 02:33:41,400
Speaker 8: research work that I'm doing to lift up the work

2762
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:43,160
Speaker 8: that I as. I hope that people would read the

2763
02:33:43,360 --> 02:33:48,400
Speaker 8: articles that I've written because in the articles I give

2764
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:52,280
Speaker 8: a lot of examples of people who are doing excellent

2765
02:33:52,400 --> 02:33:56,880
Speaker 8: work whose names will not be known. Uh So that's

2766
02:33:57,080 --> 02:33:59,840
Speaker 8: I responding that way to Baba and hope that we

2767
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:00,680
Speaker 8: can connect suit.

2768
02:34:01,440 --> 02:34:03,720
Speaker 1: All right, seventeen alf the top there, we gotta take

2769
02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:05,040
Speaker 1: a short and we come back so you'll got some

2770
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:07,320
Speaker 1: more folks want to talk to you. Our guest is

2771
02:34:07,360 --> 02:34:09,880
Speaker 1: doctor Kemmick Shockley's and educators. You can tell it's a

2772
02:34:10,600 --> 02:34:13,680
Speaker 1: Pan African educator. He's also a documentary and he's got

2773
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:16,440
Speaker 1: some documentaries out there, and it's also an author, got

2774
02:34:16,480 --> 02:34:18,440
Speaker 1: some books out there as well. You want to join

2775
02:34:18,480 --> 02:34:20,440
Speaker 1: our conversation with him, just reach out to us at

2776
02:34:20,480 --> 02:34:23,959
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

2777
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:26,640
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising

2778
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:28,920
Speaker 1: and family, thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning,

2779
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:32,120
Speaker 1: and Happy Ramadan to our Muslim brothers and sisters. Ramadan

2780
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:35,840
Speaker 1: starts tonight fasting and we'll talk more about that later

2781
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:37,960
Speaker 1: this week. But it's twenty minutes after the top of

2782
02:34:37,959 --> 02:34:40,959
Speaker 1: there with our guest educator, doctor Kemmi SHARKI doctor got

2783
02:34:40,959 --> 02:34:43,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks. We've got questions for you, which

2784
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:45,760
Speaker 1: is encouraging that people are concerned about the education in

2785
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:48,480
Speaker 1: this country. Let's go to line five. Jean's waiting for us.

2786
02:34:48,480 --> 02:34:51,879
Speaker 1: He's in Pikesviille, Maryland. Grand Rising Junior on with DTR Shokley.

2787
02:34:52,840 --> 02:34:58,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, Grand Rosie, Doctor Shark. Question is real simple, Jamil

2788
02:34:59,000 --> 02:35:03,200
Speaker 11: Abdullah Ala. His thesis, ah Trap Brown was there's a

2789
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:08,560
Speaker 11: difference between education and training. Are familiar with you know

2790
02:35:08,920 --> 02:35:12,600
Speaker 11: that that idea that he presented. And the other thing

2791
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:15,560
Speaker 11: too is like once we make it to the workplace,

2792
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:18,119
Speaker 11: when we get there, and I use my son as

2793
02:35:18,400 --> 02:35:21,960
Speaker 11: an example, he's a programmer, analyst and writes code. And

2794
02:35:22,120 --> 02:35:25,080
Speaker 11: then when he got there and I warned him, I say,

2795
02:35:25,160 --> 02:35:27,600
Speaker 11: the culture that you're going to see is an Indian

2796
02:35:27,720 --> 02:35:30,640
Speaker 11: culture and Asian culture and that's what's going to be

2797
02:35:30,760 --> 02:35:34,560
Speaker 11: between you and the you know, quote unquote racist white

2798
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:40,880
Speaker 11: supremacist I got the first part of the question about

2799
02:35:41,120 --> 02:35:44,280
Speaker 11: education versus culture. I don't sure if I caught the

2800
02:35:44,400 --> 02:35:49,440
Speaker 11: second education and training and training?

2801
02:35:49,480 --> 02:35:51,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got that. What was the second question?

2802
02:35:52,040 --> 02:35:54,840
Speaker 11: And well, the second question is more of a statement

2803
02:35:54,879 --> 02:35:58,000
Speaker 11: in a sense that once we matriculate, you know, my

2804
02:35:58,120 --> 02:36:01,280
Speaker 11: son went to the monor reef for school for Centric school,

2805
02:36:01,400 --> 02:36:06,320
Speaker 11: private school. You didn't mention Magnet schools and how corrupt

2806
02:36:06,320 --> 02:36:08,320
Speaker 11: the Magnet school system is in Baltimore.

2807
02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:09,320
Speaker 12: Uh, you know.

2808
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:11,960
Speaker 11: But my point is is once you make it to

2809
02:36:12,040 --> 02:36:17,760
Speaker 11: the workplace, we we warn our children about how how corrupt,

2810
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:21,080
Speaker 11: how the you know, racist white supremacist system is. But

2811
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:23,200
Speaker 11: that system when we get there, what we're going to

2812
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:27,720
Speaker 11: see are Asians and Indians. Uh. That who we're going

2813
02:36:27,800 --> 02:36:30,360
Speaker 11: to have to be able to relate to in order

2814
02:36:30,440 --> 02:36:33,480
Speaker 11: to keep those jobs. I see.

2815
02:36:33,959 --> 02:36:37,760
Speaker 8: Yes, I am familiar with the difference between you know,

2816
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:41,160
Speaker 8: the conversations around education versus training.

2817
02:36:41,800 --> 02:36:41,920
Speaker 12: Uh.

2818
02:36:42,160 --> 02:36:45,560
Speaker 8: I think of that a lot of times, as Uh

2819
02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:51,080
Speaker 8: from Malingu Shuja Uh has a really good book called

2820
02:36:51,160 --> 02:36:55,080
Speaker 8: too Much Schooling, Too Little Education. I know those are

2821
02:36:55,080 --> 02:36:58,959
Speaker 8: different words, but it's really the same kind of concept.

2822
02:36:59,160 --> 02:37:04,560
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, and so I think education go ahead, No.

2823
02:37:04,680 --> 02:37:06,720
Speaker 11: No, well, I'm just saying piggybacking on what you're saying,

2824
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:09,400
Speaker 11: agreeing in a sense that if there is you know,

2825
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:11,840
Speaker 11: we could list the things that we don't know as

2826
02:37:11,879 --> 02:37:15,320
Speaker 11: a people black people, then you know that that things

2827
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:17,280
Speaker 11: that you well I mentioned in what you've mentioned is

2828
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:21,480
Speaker 11: the difference between education, et cetera. You know, it as

2829
02:37:21,520 --> 02:37:23,200
Speaker 11: a thing that we should have on the top of

2830
02:37:23,240 --> 02:37:25,279
Speaker 11: a battle list that we should be aware of. Adult

2831
02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:26,560
Speaker 11: Thank you very much, sir.

2832
02:37:27,720 --> 02:37:31,160
Speaker 16: Indeed, Naim Alkmar talks about the importance of understanding that

2833
02:37:31,360 --> 02:37:36,520
Speaker 16: education is really about knowledge of self. So taking from him,

2834
02:37:36,600 --> 02:37:39,680
Speaker 16: Hotel know by self, I think it's really important for

2835
02:37:39,800 --> 02:37:42,160
Speaker 16: us to teach our children about knowledge of stuff. Some

2836
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:44,880
Speaker 16: people think it's just a bunch of black stuff, uh,

2837
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:49,440
Speaker 16: and they sort of downplay the importance that. Look, if

2838
02:37:49,480 --> 02:37:51,480
Speaker 16: our children can need to get a bunch of black stuff,

2839
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:54,320
Speaker 16: they're going to get some kind of stuff and it's

2840
02:37:54,360 --> 02:37:56,600
Speaker 16: going to be cultural in nature. So if they're not

2841
02:37:56,680 --> 02:37:59,240
Speaker 16: getting black stuff, they are going to get white stuff.

2842
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:01,959
Speaker 16: Or as a caller said, maybe at some point they'll

2843
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:06,080
Speaker 16: get Indian stuff or Asian stuff. Everything they're gonna get

2844
02:38:06,200 --> 02:38:10,560
Speaker 16: is going to be somebody's stuff. So sometimes when we

2845
02:38:10,840 --> 02:38:14,520
Speaker 16: are kind of pooh pooing on too much black stuff,

2846
02:38:15,320 --> 02:38:17,640
Speaker 16: we're not realizing there really is no such thing. I've

2847
02:38:17,720 --> 02:38:20,800
Speaker 16: never heard somebody say, hey, these Asian kids are getting

2848
02:38:20,840 --> 02:38:25,840
Speaker 16: too much Asian education. So we have a way of

2849
02:38:25,959 --> 02:38:30,160
Speaker 16: thinking that unfortunately causes us once again to get beat

2850
02:38:30,280 --> 02:38:33,280
Speaker 16: in the war. So I think this is a thing

2851
02:38:33,400 --> 02:38:38,800
Speaker 16: that we really need to read, people like Amos Wilson

2852
02:38:38,879 --> 02:38:42,280
Speaker 16: the Art of Warfare, Art of Black Warfare. It's called

2853
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:45,200
Speaker 16: we need to read maramba Ani and understand the true

2854
02:38:45,320 --> 02:38:49,400
Speaker 16: nature of Urugu. So what we end up because what

2855
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:52,600
Speaker 16: we end up with, and I think people need to

2856
02:38:52,680 --> 02:38:56,400
Speaker 16: really take this in, we end up in a war

2857
02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:05,480
Speaker 16: where you know, the most milk toast, unthinking people who

2858
02:39:05,560 --> 02:39:12,119
Speaker 16: are weak stand in the front as leadership and they

2859
02:39:12,240 --> 02:39:16,920
Speaker 16: seem non political. But these people are actually shrewd and

2860
02:39:17,080 --> 02:39:21,800
Speaker 16: they're cloaked as educators standing before our children to teach

2861
02:39:21,920 --> 02:39:25,680
Speaker 16: them all the ways and means of the dominant culture,

2862
02:39:25,959 --> 02:39:28,720
Speaker 16: not to bring that to a different place in the

2863
02:39:28,760 --> 02:39:31,320
Speaker 16: status quo, but to maintain the status quo.

2864
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:35,360
Speaker 8: That's actually what we're doing. So when he talks about

2865
02:39:35,480 --> 02:39:38,160
Speaker 8: Asians and Indians, it makes me think of the fact that,

2866
02:39:38,840 --> 02:39:42,160
Speaker 8: you know, in the Black community, we do the opposite

2867
02:39:42,200 --> 02:39:45,360
Speaker 8: of what other communities do. As it pertains to who

2868
02:39:45,440 --> 02:39:49,280
Speaker 8: gets put out front. Asians, Latinos, and white people put

2869
02:39:49,360 --> 02:39:53,360
Speaker 8: their best actors, their most centered people in the front

2870
02:39:53,480 --> 02:39:57,520
Speaker 8: to lead. Donald Trump is an example, so is Joe Biden.

2871
02:39:58,200 --> 02:40:02,640
Speaker 8: The most the the most culturally centered. I am pro

2872
02:40:02,879 --> 02:40:06,080
Speaker 8: my people are in the front for those people. For

2873
02:40:06,200 --> 02:40:11,360
Speaker 8: the Black community, the most pro people, the people who

2874
02:40:11,640 --> 02:40:14,120
Speaker 8: work the hardest for the Black community and who are

2875
02:40:14,120 --> 02:40:17,120
Speaker 8: the most pro black are put in the back. And

2876
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:20,600
Speaker 8: in the front we put people who are wearing the

2877
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:24,200
Speaker 8: nicest clothing, who are good at giving a good speech,

2878
02:40:24,720 --> 02:40:27,320
Speaker 8: and who are good at sounding like they've been educated

2879
02:40:27,400 --> 02:40:31,600
Speaker 8: in the white supremacist universities. We do the exact opposite

2880
02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:33,720
Speaker 8: of other groups, and this is the reason why we

2881
02:40:33,879 --> 02:40:37,560
Speaker 8: continue to lose. So I thank the caller for his comment,

2882
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:38,840
Speaker 8: and that's what it made me think of.

2883
02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Right, that's pretty deep there. I thank you for your analysis.

2884
02:40:42,920 --> 02:40:45,440
Speaker 1: Twenty seven after the top, there our brother Carlossiest. Next

2885
02:40:45,440 --> 02:40:48,600
Speaker 1: seasonline two, he's calling from Waldorf in Maryland, grind Rising,

2886
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:53,080
Speaker 1: Brother Carlos, your question for doctor Kemmick Shockley grand Rising.

2887
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:55,640
Speaker 24: My dear brothers, and thank you so much for the

2888
02:40:56,440 --> 02:41:01,160
Speaker 24: education that the education and our children is too important

2889
02:41:01,280 --> 02:41:07,240
Speaker 24: for us to a drive by analysis. And I want

2890
02:41:07,320 --> 02:41:11,680
Speaker 24: to ask you, dear doctor, because it is existential to

2891
02:41:11,879 --> 02:41:16,920
Speaker 24: our existence, is how do we change the model of

2892
02:41:17,040 --> 02:41:24,000
Speaker 24: the paradigm of children having children? Because we understand that

2893
02:41:25,400 --> 02:41:29,800
Speaker 24: if you are a child having a child, you do

2894
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:32,960
Speaker 24: not have the capacity or you do not have the

2895
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:40,480
Speaker 24: education to educate a young child. You are too involved

2896
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:47,720
Speaker 24: with the day to day survival activities to educate that child.

2897
02:41:48,760 --> 02:41:54,440
Speaker 24: How do we change that paradigm, that model and bring

2898
02:41:54,560 --> 02:42:01,720
Speaker 24: in other surrogate forces within our community to educate our

2899
02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:08,160
Speaker 24: children rather than putting them out fear to be Uh

2900
02:42:09,640 --> 02:42:14,960
Speaker 24: others I say, feasted on by white supremacy and the

2901
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:21,240
Speaker 24: European society at large. My dear brother, Uh, do you

2902
02:42:21,360 --> 02:42:24,400
Speaker 24: understand what I'm asking or uh, you know, have a

2903
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:26,840
Speaker 24: question for me? If not, I'll take the answer offline.

2904
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:28,680
Speaker 23: Mm hmmm.

2905
02:42:29,320 --> 02:42:32,240
Speaker 8: I think I understand some of what you're saying, and

2906
02:42:32,280 --> 02:42:35,760
Speaker 8: I'll try to speak to it briefly. When you when

2907
02:42:35,800 --> 02:42:40,920
Speaker 8: you were talking about mindset. When it say children having children,

2908
02:42:40,959 --> 02:42:45,600
Speaker 8: I I translated in my mind to the mindset that

2909
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:48,760
Speaker 8: of the people in our community who are having children

2910
02:42:49,240 --> 02:42:51,960
Speaker 8: and their minds. The mindset needs to be mature, It

2911
02:42:52,120 --> 02:42:54,959
Speaker 8: needs to be have an understanding of what we need

2912
02:42:55,040 --> 02:42:57,840
Speaker 8: to do to sustain our communities, and it needs to

2913
02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:01,400
Speaker 8: be free from uh sort of a system of white

2914
02:43:01,400 --> 02:43:06,480
Speaker 8: supremacist mindset that wants to keep us off infantile. One

2915
02:43:06,520 --> 02:43:09,000
Speaker 8: of the things that I often say is that the

2916
02:43:10,280 --> 02:43:14,760
Speaker 8: non African centered Black community are about thirty five years

2917
02:43:14,840 --> 02:43:18,160
Speaker 8: behind the African centered community and it's understanding of what

2918
02:43:18,280 --> 02:43:20,000
Speaker 8: Black people need to do to get it to get

2919
02:43:20,040 --> 02:43:24,520
Speaker 8: ourselves organized. So what we see now coming from the

2920
02:43:24,600 --> 02:43:29,199
Speaker 8: Black community as it pertains to knowledge and information and understanding,

2921
02:43:29,879 --> 02:43:34,199
Speaker 8: these are things that thirty five years ago, the African

2922
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:37,520
Speaker 8: centered community was trying to get the Black community to

2923
02:43:37,720 --> 02:43:41,080
Speaker 8: understand the importance of even things like traveling to Africa.

2924
02:43:41,160 --> 02:43:44,560
Speaker 8: Now we see mainstream Black folks going to Africa, but

2925
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:47,280
Speaker 8: the African centered community has been going to Africa for

2926
02:43:47,360 --> 02:43:50,199
Speaker 8: a long time. And now that the more mainstream thinking

2927
02:43:50,280 --> 02:43:52,160
Speaker 8: Black people are going to Africa, they think that the

2928
02:43:52,320 --> 02:43:55,920
Speaker 8: novel thing and they find it interesting. But they have

2929
02:43:56,080 --> 02:43:58,560
Speaker 8: been following the model. This goes back to what I

2930
02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:00,960
Speaker 8: was saying a few minutes ago about about how the

2931
02:44:01,120 --> 02:44:04,400
Speaker 8: wrong people are in leadership. Black people choose leaders based

2932
02:44:04,480 --> 02:44:07,520
Speaker 8: upon whether they how they look, how they dress, whether

2933
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:09,440
Speaker 8: or not they're able to give a good speech. Do

2934
02:44:09,560 --> 02:44:11,560
Speaker 8: you look like a leader? Are you a man that's

2935
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:14,440
Speaker 8: over six feet tall? Are you a woman that's pretty?

2936
02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:16,880
Speaker 8: Is your skin light? Is it too dark? Do you

2937
02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:20,400
Speaker 8: dress in such a way that we can relate to you?

2938
02:44:21,000 --> 02:44:22,320
Speaker 8: And is your voice deep enough?

2939
02:44:22,600 --> 02:44:22,640
Speaker 9: It?

2940
02:44:23,080 --> 02:44:25,480
Speaker 8: Is your voice too heavy? Et cetera. So we're using

2941
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:28,000
Speaker 8: the wrong things as littmus tests, and we're so we're

2942
02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:30,480
Speaker 8: behaving as a group of people who want to continue

2943
02:44:30,520 --> 02:44:34,879
Speaker 8: to lose. So if a person is having a child

2944
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:38,320
Speaker 8: and they're fifteen, but they have all these things and

2945
02:44:38,400 --> 02:44:40,680
Speaker 8: they understand all these things, you might raise the better

2946
02:44:40,760 --> 02:44:42,680
Speaker 8: child than if you're forty five or if you're thirty

2947
02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:45,160
Speaker 8: five or twenty five. But most of the time that's

2948
02:44:45,160 --> 02:44:47,360
Speaker 8: not going to be the case. But still what we

2949
02:44:47,560 --> 02:44:51,080
Speaker 8: need isn't I don't think defined so much by age,

2950
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:54,279
Speaker 8: even though we don't want kids having kids. It's divined

2951
02:44:54,320 --> 02:44:59,040
Speaker 8: by maturity. To what degree are the people that are

2952
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:02,959
Speaker 8: having children in the Black community, mature people who are

2953
02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:07,360
Speaker 8: ready to fight in the system and have our kids

2954
02:45:07,440 --> 02:45:12,120
Speaker 8: come out on top. Many of the educators in the

2955
02:45:12,200 --> 02:45:16,039
Speaker 8: black community don't even they would be against understand they

2956
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:18,800
Speaker 8: would be against this what I just said. They would

2957
02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:21,760
Speaker 8: feel like, well, I don't think we want to think

2958
02:45:21,800 --> 02:45:24,480
Speaker 8: about this in terms of race. This is how they're

2959
02:45:24,520 --> 02:45:28,800
Speaker 8: trained to think. So then they get irritated with an

2960
02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:32,320
Speaker 8: African senator analysis because they think of it as outlandish

2961
02:45:32,879 --> 02:45:38,080
Speaker 8: that you would assess and understand society through understanding what's

2962
02:45:38,160 --> 02:45:40,400
Speaker 8: best for the black people as opposed to what's best

2963
02:45:40,480 --> 02:45:44,840
Speaker 8: for people in general. So we're poised to continue losing

2964
02:45:45,000 --> 02:45:48,240
Speaker 8: because other groups are thinking of this in terms of

2965
02:45:48,360 --> 02:45:50,600
Speaker 8: what's best for our group and how can we win.

2966
02:45:51,200 --> 02:45:54,520
Speaker 8: If you want to keep being naive and thinking that

2967
02:45:54,959 --> 02:45:58,039
Speaker 8: this that we're all in the same game together, even

2968
02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:01,720
Speaker 8: though on a spiritual level, perhaps are at the level

2969
02:46:02,000 --> 02:46:06,520
Speaker 8: of human living and being able to compete and keep

2970
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:10,360
Speaker 8: your kids alive, we are not all on the same page.

2971
02:46:10,480 --> 02:46:14,960
Speaker 8: And people bank on the fact that Black people want

2972
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:18,040
Speaker 8: to believe in things that are fairy tale, that we're

2973
02:46:18,200 --> 02:46:21,560
Speaker 8: all in this thing together. That's a fairy tale that

2974
02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:25,960
Speaker 8: keeps us always on the losing end again thirty five

2975
02:46:26,040 --> 02:46:30,400
Speaker 8: years behind. So other communities will continue. This is repetitive here,

2976
02:46:30,440 --> 02:46:35,160
Speaker 8: but it's worth bearing repeating. Other communities put their strongest

2977
02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:39,520
Speaker 8: thinkers and their most centered and culturally dominant thinkers in

2978
02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:43,080
Speaker 8: the front, and we put ours in the back, and

2979
02:46:43,160 --> 02:46:45,960
Speaker 8: we're ashamed of them, and we think that maybe we

2980
02:46:46,080 --> 02:46:49,960
Speaker 8: shouldn't put certain people out there because they're going to

2981
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:54,119
Speaker 8: be true black while they put the most Latino folks.

2982
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:56,320
Speaker 8: I'm thinking of a person I know. He was a

2983
02:46:56,360 --> 02:46:58,960
Speaker 8: professor at Howard, but he was a Latino when I

2984
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:02,920
Speaker 8: was there, and he had actually gotten involved in the

2985
02:47:02,959 --> 02:47:06,880
Speaker 8: Prince George's County public schools in a deep way to

2986
02:47:07,120 --> 02:47:10,760
Speaker 8: move Latino interest to Prince George's County is the mostly

2987
02:47:10,840 --> 02:47:15,000
Speaker 8: black area of Maryland, but he had gotten in. He

2988
02:47:15,240 --> 02:47:17,240
Speaker 8: was a professor at Howard, but his kids were in

2989
02:47:17,280 --> 02:47:20,960
Speaker 8: Prince George's County public schools and he got deeply involved.

2990
02:47:21,200 --> 02:47:25,800
Speaker 8: He was very Latino centered, and now in Prince George's

2991
02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:28,160
Speaker 8: County because of the work of him and other Latinos,

2992
02:47:28,600 --> 02:47:32,840
Speaker 8: Latino interests are being served in that county, and black

2993
02:47:32,920 --> 02:47:35,520
Speaker 8: people still have a hard time getting their inter served

2994
02:47:35,959 --> 02:47:39,800
Speaker 8: in a mostly black county. This is what happens when

2995
02:47:39,879 --> 02:47:42,960
Speaker 8: other groups put their most culturally centered people in the front,

2996
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Speaker 8: while we kick ours to the back and put people

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02:47:46,480 --> 02:47:49,120
Speaker 8: up front who look like they play the role but

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02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:50,160
Speaker 8: they're actually weak.

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Speaker 7: Well, let me in a check a second. Why do

3000
02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:53,360
Speaker 7: we do that though?

3001
02:47:56,000 --> 02:48:01,320
Speaker 8: Well, some people have argued that it's religious that black

3002
02:48:01,400 --> 02:48:08,680
Speaker 8: people are actually sort of clinging to religious principles that

3003
02:48:08,879 --> 02:48:12,360
Speaker 8: say that we should look at people not in terms

3004
02:48:12,440 --> 02:48:16,600
Speaker 8: of in terms of the competition that's going on between

3005
02:48:16,720 --> 02:48:19,280
Speaker 8: us and other groups, but instead what Jesus do kind

3006
02:48:19,320 --> 02:48:24,160
Speaker 8: of sort of ideology. I've heard other people say that

3007
02:48:25,400 --> 02:48:28,720
Speaker 8: the system of white supremacy has us doing that because

3008
02:48:30,680 --> 02:48:33,040
Speaker 8: it makes sure that we will continue to lose. So

3009
02:48:33,160 --> 02:48:37,440
Speaker 8: they teach us in ways that keep us clamoring for

3010
02:48:37,560 --> 02:48:38,480
Speaker 8: the attention.

3011
02:48:38,280 --> 02:48:38,560
Speaker 13: And the.

3012
02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:44,440
Speaker 8: I guess the accepted to be accepted by other groups.

3013
02:48:44,840 --> 02:48:47,640
Speaker 8: While John Henry Clark says, you have no friends, So

3014
02:48:48,200 --> 02:48:50,560
Speaker 8: what doctor Clark was trying to tell us is that

3015
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:53,720
Speaker 8: you can forget it. These other groups are not going

3016
02:48:53,800 --> 02:48:56,240
Speaker 8: to have any empathy or sympathy on you. You have

3017
02:48:56,440 --> 02:48:58,720
Speaker 8: no friends. But what black people are trying to do

3018
02:48:59,280 --> 02:49:01,879
Speaker 8: is to gain from the other thing I think that's

3019
02:49:01,959 --> 02:49:07,280
Speaker 8: happening is that we've been impacted more negatively by the

3020
02:49:07,320 --> 02:49:10,000
Speaker 8: system of white supremacy. It has sort of a focus

3021
02:49:10,080 --> 02:49:12,840
Speaker 8: on us that it doesn't have on other people. So

3022
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:16,879
Speaker 8: it makes us, makes it makes us, makes it harder

3023
02:49:16,959 --> 02:49:19,240
Speaker 8: for us to be able to sort of let go

3024
02:49:19,400 --> 02:49:22,400
Speaker 8: and say we've got to protect our own children, and

3025
02:49:22,600 --> 02:49:24,960
Speaker 8: we will do so at the cost of anyone who

3026
02:49:25,040 --> 02:49:28,560
Speaker 8: gets in the way. So once again I think being

3027
02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:33,160
Speaker 8: in a war. And so finally, what I'll say is

3028
02:49:33,440 --> 02:49:36,160
Speaker 8: perhaps one of the stronger reasons we're this way is

3029
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:39,039
Speaker 8: because their parme agia. Culture speaks about in his book

3030
02:49:39,080 --> 02:49:42,000
Speaker 8: that there really are two ideologies in the black community

3031
02:49:42,040 --> 02:49:44,840
Speaker 8: that are always at odds with each other. One is

3032
02:49:44,920 --> 02:49:49,760
Speaker 8: a nationalist ideology, that is, those people who believe in

3033
02:49:49,920 --> 02:49:52,879
Speaker 8: a black nationalism and that black people have to get

3034
02:49:52,920 --> 02:49:58,440
Speaker 8: themselves together and work toward the liberation and organization of

3035
02:49:58,520 --> 02:50:04,000
Speaker 8: our community. Versus is the assimilationist integrationist ideology. Those two

3036
02:50:04,040 --> 02:50:07,800
Speaker 8: things are always battling each other. Now, when I open

3037
02:50:07,920 --> 02:50:10,600
Speaker 8: up my mouth in public space, one of the first

3038
02:50:10,680 --> 02:50:16,040
Speaker 8: things that happens typically is an integrationist. Assimilationist comes and

3039
02:50:16,360 --> 02:50:21,960
Speaker 8: is given a louder microphone so that they can sort

3040
02:50:21,959 --> 02:50:27,000
Speaker 8: of dampen out what I'm saying, or sort of I guess,

3041
02:50:27,680 --> 02:50:30,480
Speaker 8: put what I'm saying, you know, in another place. So

3042
02:50:31,000 --> 02:50:33,360
Speaker 8: I think Black History Month is an opportunity for us

3043
02:50:33,400 --> 02:50:35,720
Speaker 8: to look at those two ideologies and make a decision

3044
02:50:35,760 --> 02:50:36,480
Speaker 8: as to which way we.

3045
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:36,920
Speaker 18: Want to go.

3046
02:50:38,120 --> 02:50:41,200
Speaker 8: So I think that we are at war within our

3047
02:50:41,240 --> 02:50:46,879
Speaker 8: own community about nationalism versus integration. I think that's perhaps

3048
02:50:47,000 --> 02:50:51,359
Speaker 8: one of the biggest reasons. Most things that are happening

3049
02:50:51,400 --> 02:50:55,879
Speaker 8: in the Black community are integrationists. Assimilationists. That's what most

3050
02:50:55,920 --> 02:50:59,880
Speaker 8: of it is, even if it sounds like it's not.

3051
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:03,280
Speaker 8: Because one of the only ideas that really exist in

3052
02:51:03,360 --> 02:51:07,440
Speaker 8: the Black community that's not integrationist is African centered thinking.

3053
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:12,200
Speaker 8: African center thinking is about doing what's best for people

3054
02:51:12,280 --> 02:51:16,440
Speaker 8: of African descent. Most of everything else, no matter how

3055
02:51:17,160 --> 02:51:21,919
Speaker 8: knowledgeable it is about Black history and culture, is often integrationists.

3056
02:51:22,480 --> 02:51:27,840
Speaker 8: So when people are making statements about somebody could stand

3057
02:51:27,879 --> 02:51:29,240
Speaker 8: in front of you and talk to you about all

3058
02:51:29,280 --> 02:51:33,160
Speaker 8: of African history, but be an integrationist, right and all?

3059
02:51:33,240 --> 02:51:35,280
Speaker 1: I thought, Right there, Doc, we gotta step aside for

3060
02:51:35,320 --> 02:51:37,000
Speaker 1: real quick, for our last break. I'll let you finish

3061
02:51:37,000 --> 02:51:38,440
Speaker 1: your thought and we've got some more folks want to

3062
02:51:38,480 --> 02:51:40,280
Speaker 1: talk to you. You want to join this discussion with

3063
02:51:40,360 --> 02:51:42,760
Speaker 1: our guest, that's doctor Kemmick Shockley. Hit us up at

3064
02:51:42,760 --> 02:51:45,920
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

3065
02:51:45,920 --> 02:51:48,680
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family,

3066
02:51:48,760 --> 02:51:51,040
Speaker 1: thanks to staying with us on this Seriesday Morning with

3067
02:51:51,080 --> 02:51:53,800
Speaker 1: our guest, Doctor Kemmick Shockley is an educator. Is also

3068
02:51:54,160 --> 02:51:56,520
Speaker 1: a documentary and it's got a couple of documentaries out there.

3069
02:51:56,600 --> 02:51:58,360
Speaker 1: Also an author as well. It's got a few books

3070
02:51:58,360 --> 02:52:00,840
Speaker 1: out there as well, and we're talking about education. And

3071
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:03,000
Speaker 1: before that, let me again, we've got to offer our

3072
02:52:03,040 --> 02:52:05,480
Speaker 1: condolences to the family of Reverend Jesse Jackson made his

3073
02:52:05,800 --> 02:52:09,040
Speaker 1: transition this morning and Reverend Jackson was eighty four. But

3074
02:52:09,280 --> 02:52:12,160
Speaker 1: back to Dr Shaki, Doctor Shakki, I'll let you finish

3075
02:52:12,200 --> 02:52:14,640
Speaker 1: your response, but it's encouraging to see I'm getting all

3076
02:52:14,680 --> 02:52:17,440
Speaker 1: these calls for you and tweets for you folks, and

3077
02:52:17,560 --> 02:52:20,240
Speaker 1: Landon also agree with what you're saying, but I'll let

3078
02:52:20,240 --> 02:52:22,160
Speaker 1: you finish your thought and then Carl and Palm Beach

3079
02:52:22,200 --> 02:52:23,000
Speaker 1: has a question for you.

3080
02:52:25,200 --> 02:52:28,360
Speaker 8: Well, basically I was just talking about the importance of

3081
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:33,520
Speaker 8: race consciousness as it pertains to the fact that most

3082
02:52:33,600 --> 02:52:37,840
Speaker 8: of what happens in black communities is integrationists. Even if

3083
02:52:37,959 --> 02:52:41,040
Speaker 8: it sounds lovely, it's sometimes people are talking and it

3084
02:52:41,120 --> 02:52:43,320
Speaker 8: sounds like what they're saying is what we need, but

3085
02:52:43,400 --> 02:52:47,440
Speaker 8: it's actually integrationist, even if it's information packed. So because

3086
02:52:47,680 --> 02:52:52,320
Speaker 8: the information movement, so the integrationists, excuse me, movement, a

3087
02:52:52,400 --> 02:52:55,200
Speaker 8: lot of our power was lost because people outside the

3088
02:52:55,280 --> 02:53:01,000
Speaker 8: community are deciding what what the goals are. So your people,

3089
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:05,080
Speaker 8: we don't know that they're influencing, because they influence the

3090
02:53:05,160 --> 02:53:09,320
Speaker 8: people who they give a microphone to. So we end

3091
02:53:09,440 --> 02:53:12,760
Speaker 8: up with people who decide which tactics are acceptable, whether

3092
02:53:12,840 --> 02:53:15,120
Speaker 8: the things we should and shouldn't be doing, and they

3093
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:18,600
Speaker 8: do not want tactics that don't fit the integrationist model.

3094
02:53:19,360 --> 02:53:22,320
Speaker 8: They decide what's reasonable. I mentioned a minute ago, people

3095
02:53:22,400 --> 02:53:26,160
Speaker 8: think that the people think that centered thinking is outlandish.

3096
02:53:26,760 --> 02:53:28,800
Speaker 8: They decide what the pace of change is going to be.

3097
02:53:29,040 --> 02:53:34,120
Speaker 8: So we have people in leadership positions who are constantly

3098
02:53:34,200 --> 02:53:40,960
Speaker 8: telling us about incremental change being cautious in behavior. I

3099
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:44,240
Speaker 8: had a colleague when I was a professor at HBCU

3100
02:53:44,440 --> 02:53:47,280
Speaker 8: who said that the most important thing for you guys

3101
02:53:47,320 --> 02:53:49,440
Speaker 8: when you get in these positions of leadership is how

3102
02:53:49,520 --> 02:53:53,960
Speaker 8: you dress, telling students things like that. So we have

3103
02:53:54,120 --> 02:53:58,320
Speaker 8: a crisis in the black professional class. Unfortunately, many black

3104
02:53:58,360 --> 02:54:01,879
Speaker 8: professionals adopt these kinds of norms and they start thinking

3105
02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:04,560
Speaker 8: that what matters most is the way they talk in

3106
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:07,959
Speaker 8: front of white people, the way they present. They kind

3107
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:10,920
Speaker 8: of have a style that makes sure it's free of

3108
02:54:11,000 --> 02:54:14,320
Speaker 8: any and all conflict that might cause the slightest bit

3109
02:54:14,480 --> 02:54:18,760
Speaker 8: of issue, So they play it safe on everything. Use

3110
02:54:18,959 --> 02:54:23,720
Speaker 8: they use a certain way of emoting and discussing topics

3111
02:54:23,800 --> 02:54:29,600
Speaker 8: that make sure they're safe. So I think that that

3112
02:54:29,800 --> 02:54:35,680
Speaker 8: mistaking that we often do, mistaking visibility for actual power,

3113
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:38,720
Speaker 8: thinking that representation is what matters. Do we have a

3114
02:54:38,800 --> 02:54:41,920
Speaker 8: black face there, even if the black face isn't doing

3115
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:46,160
Speaker 8: anything for black people, it's causing our children to go crazy.

3116
02:54:46,920 --> 02:54:50,800
Speaker 8: So we cannot equate stabilities. I have a job and

3117
02:54:50,840 --> 02:54:54,400
Speaker 8: I feel safe on my job with progress actually having

3118
02:54:54,760 --> 02:54:58,480
Speaker 8: black progress. So we need the African centered thinking. We

3119
02:54:58,560 --> 02:55:01,040
Speaker 8: need African center in education, need to pick up the

3120
02:55:01,120 --> 02:55:04,520
Speaker 8: pace on getting these folks out of power. The black

3121
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:08,760
Speaker 8: community needs to have some gumption enough gumption to say no,

3122
02:55:09,280 --> 02:55:12,120
Speaker 8: we want people in power doing things that actually care

3123
02:55:12,160 --> 02:55:14,560
Speaker 8: about black people and aren't just safe folks.

3124
02:55:17,080 --> 02:55:18,960
Speaker 7: Gotcha fortune away from the top.

3125
02:55:19,040 --> 02:55:19,120
Speaker 4: Thing.

3126
02:55:19,160 --> 02:55:20,880
Speaker 1: As I mentioning, we had a bunch of people to

3127
02:55:21,160 --> 02:55:22,840
Speaker 1: still want to talk to you, got questions for you.

3128
02:55:23,280 --> 02:55:24,560
Speaker 1: So if you're on hole, if you can make the

3129
02:55:24,640 --> 02:55:28,760
Speaker 1: question short, really appreciated, let's go to Carlson West Palm Beach,

3130
02:55:28,920 --> 02:55:32,960
Speaker 1: Florida is on line four Grand Rising. Carl your question

3131
02:55:33,080 --> 02:55:35,560
Speaker 1: for doctor Shockley grant rather.

3132
02:55:35,440 --> 02:55:37,200
Speaker 26: And I'll be quick. You know, I've been trying to

3133
02:55:37,280 --> 02:55:41,040
Speaker 26: encourage people to read Cottage Wilson, and that's some of

3134
02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:43,280
Speaker 26: the things that you're talking about. I received that as

3135
02:55:43,280 --> 02:55:46,000
Speaker 26: a benefit of reading that book. And he talked about

3136
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:48,800
Speaker 26: the educated Negro and the impediment that they was going

3137
02:55:48,879 --> 02:55:51,120
Speaker 26: to bring to us as a result of them you

3138
02:55:51,320 --> 02:55:53,880
Speaker 26: and they oh to the king, to the king, and

3139
02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:56,680
Speaker 26: we still don't want to put that into our conversation,

3140
02:55:56,879 --> 02:55:59,560
Speaker 26: even like with our fraternities and stuff that's throuted the

3141
02:55:59,560 --> 02:56:01,080
Speaker 26: other one and how do you flactor them?

3142
02:56:01,160 --> 02:56:01,240
Speaker 9: Then?

3143
02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:01,480
Speaker 11: Too it?

3144
02:56:01,560 --> 02:56:04,000
Speaker 26: Because when I listened to people like Steve Cochley, he

3145
02:56:04,080 --> 02:56:06,280
Speaker 26: took us through the linit of their count of activity,

3146
02:56:06,280 --> 02:56:09,600
Speaker 26: and he showed us how they make an oath and

3147
02:56:09,680 --> 02:56:12,640
Speaker 26: a promise to to the to the Greek gods or

3148
02:56:12,720 --> 02:56:15,280
Speaker 26: all that kind of stuff, and we still don't want

3149
02:56:15,320 --> 02:56:17,800
Speaker 26: to acknowledge it because we hold these kind of people

3150
02:56:17,879 --> 02:56:21,240
Speaker 26: with these degrees in high esteem. And I just wanted

3151
02:56:21,280 --> 02:56:25,000
Speaker 26: to actually you about your fielding as a relations to

3152
02:56:25,080 --> 02:56:25,640
Speaker 26: collogy with.

3153
02:56:28,000 --> 02:56:32,120
Speaker 8: Well, you know, thanks for that. Brother Carlogie was one

3154
02:56:32,120 --> 02:56:37,160
Speaker 8: of the most important thinkers that I think we've had. Also,

3155
02:56:37,400 --> 02:56:40,760
Speaker 8: his book The Miseducation of the Negro outstanding. I think

3156
02:56:40,920 --> 02:56:45,480
Speaker 8: that your analysis is correct that it's not just a

3157
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:49,200
Speaker 8: dedication to well, I think you said Greek gods and

3158
02:56:49,280 --> 02:56:52,760
Speaker 8: things of that nature, it's also a dedication to the

3159
02:56:52,840 --> 02:56:56,440
Speaker 8: people that you know, the Even though I've been in

3160
02:56:56,520 --> 02:57:00,720
Speaker 8: the college teaching university for a long time, I think

3161
02:57:00,840 --> 02:57:04,640
Speaker 8: the college, the language that universities teach people causes too

3162
02:57:04,720 --> 02:57:07,760
Speaker 8: many people of us to think in these ways that

3163
02:57:08,160 --> 02:57:13,120
Speaker 8: the inside of the language is also a sense of

3164
02:57:14,959 --> 02:57:18,120
Speaker 8: it's a sense of the white supremacy is in the language.

3165
02:57:19,000 --> 02:57:23,800
Speaker 8: So people are learning new vocabulary words and they become

3166
02:57:23,879 --> 02:57:27,520
Speaker 8: impressed with themselves. And so it's not just a dedication

3167
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:30,880
Speaker 8: to the Greek gods, but also to the white American

3168
02:57:30,959 --> 02:57:35,160
Speaker 8: gods you that taught you in the university. So they

3169
02:57:35,400 --> 02:57:38,160
Speaker 8: taught you how to think, but you didn't realize that

3170
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:42,400
Speaker 8: you were actually being miseducated through your master's, your PhD,

3171
02:57:42,600 --> 02:57:47,800
Speaker 8: and your bachelor's degree, teaching you these little words. And

3172
02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:50,840
Speaker 8: then people get caught up on the word, and then

3173
02:57:50,879 --> 02:57:54,160
Speaker 8: they want to use those words to demonstrate their intelligence

3174
02:57:54,200 --> 02:57:56,880
Speaker 8: when they get out into the public. Not using those

3175
02:57:56,959 --> 02:58:01,320
Speaker 8: words to demonstrate to so sort of help black people

3176
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:07,080
Speaker 8: get ahead, but to demonstrate that they are so called educated.

3177
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:09,440
Speaker 8: So I agree with the caller and would say that

3178
02:58:10,120 --> 02:58:15,200
Speaker 8: we have to get beyond the education that we're getting

3179
02:58:15,240 --> 02:58:18,280
Speaker 8: in these places, not get to it. We have to

3180
02:58:18,360 --> 02:58:21,000
Speaker 8: get beyond it. Most of it is a way to

3181
02:58:21,120 --> 02:58:25,320
Speaker 8: get you to think outside of the context of what's

3182
02:58:25,400 --> 02:58:27,960
Speaker 8: good for the black community. And I mean I say

3183
02:58:28,000 --> 02:58:31,240
Speaker 8: that as someone who I've taught at Research one universities,

3184
02:58:31,240 --> 02:58:35,080
Speaker 8: I've taught at HBCUs, I've taught at Hispanic universities, I've

3185
02:58:35,080 --> 02:58:37,680
Speaker 8: taught at Black you know, I've been in all of them.

3186
02:58:38,440 --> 02:58:40,960
Speaker 8: So I'm telling you that a lot of what's happening

3187
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:44,560
Speaker 8: at these places not going to help black people at all.

3188
02:58:44,680 --> 02:58:48,360
Speaker 8: It gives us vocabulary words that cause us to think

3189
02:58:48,400 --> 02:58:50,600
Speaker 8: we know things that we really don't even understand.

3190
02:58:52,120 --> 02:58:54,320
Speaker 1: Got you ten Away from the Top, eleven keep Rolling

3191
02:58:54,440 --> 02:58:58,240
Speaker 1: DCE in Upper Marlboro in Maryland Online one Grand Rising

3192
02:58:58,320 --> 02:59:00,160
Speaker 1: Dean your question for a doctor.

3193
02:59:00,080 --> 02:59:05,440
Speaker 4: Shockley Brand Rising, Brother Nelson and doctor Shockey. Thanks to

3194
02:59:05,520 --> 02:59:08,960
Speaker 4: you both. I wrote a book on antiversis school leadership,

3195
02:59:09,280 --> 02:59:13,480
Speaker 4: and I had folks tell me they feel isolated school leaders.

3196
02:59:13,800 --> 02:59:16,560
Speaker 4: I created a group called the Bond Project that supports

3197
02:59:16,600 --> 02:59:20,400
Speaker 4: men of color education in Maryland and Brothers, they're feel

3198
02:59:20,760 --> 02:59:24,240
Speaker 4: like they are isolated. A lot of us are doing

3199
02:59:24,320 --> 02:59:28,560
Speaker 4: this work in isolation, and we feel it overwhelmed. How

3200
02:59:28,600 --> 02:59:31,920
Speaker 4: do we find community or build community where we're not

3201
02:59:32,120 --> 02:59:33,879
Speaker 4: overwhelmed by doing things alone?

3202
02:59:36,959 --> 02:59:39,720
Speaker 8: Awesome? I think that's a great question. That's doctor David Harris,

3203
02:59:39,760 --> 02:59:41,840
Speaker 8: and I know one of the things that we could

3204
02:59:41,959 --> 02:59:47,000
Speaker 8: do is what you're doing. You have an organization called Bond,

3205
02:59:47,720 --> 02:59:50,640
Speaker 8: and I'll be one of the presenters there. Actually we're

3206
02:59:50,760 --> 02:59:55,880
Speaker 8: talking about that topic. And I think one of the

3207
02:59:55,959 --> 03:00:00,640
Speaker 8: reasons why people feel so alone is because we're living

3208
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:03,720
Speaker 8: in a culture. And this goes back to what I

3209
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Speaker 8: spoke to earlier about what just bringing up Marian behind

3210
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Speaker 8: me a culture that has a preference for things like chaos,

3211
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Speaker 8: So I think we have to understand that it's intentional.

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Speaker 8: Is that the further you get from mainstream thinking, the

3213
03:00:22,720 --> 03:00:26,280
Speaker 8: more isolated you're going to feel. You're not going to

3214
03:00:26,320 --> 03:00:30,000
Speaker 8: be able to be away from mainstream thinking and be

3215
03:00:30,120 --> 03:00:34,400
Speaker 8: in this country and also feel supported and to feel

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03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:39,000
Speaker 8: like you're a part of something that everybody understands. So

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Speaker 8: I think we have to come together and create organizations

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03:00:42,360 --> 03:00:45,560
Speaker 8: like BOD. We have to also meet. Back in the

3219
03:00:45,680 --> 03:00:48,279
Speaker 8: nineteen nineties when I was sort of coming of age,

3220
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Speaker 8: one of the things we did better was we just

3221
03:00:51,080 --> 03:00:54,760
Speaker 8: got together and met and talked, and you didn't have

3222
03:00:54,840 --> 03:00:58,520
Speaker 8: to agree with everything everybody said, but you just met up,

3223
03:00:58,959 --> 03:01:02,480
Speaker 8: you hooked up, and you talked. So I think that's important.

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Speaker 8: But unfortunately, what the agents of chaos have done is

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Speaker 8: taking those things away and replace them with the Internet,

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03:01:10,600 --> 03:01:13,280
Speaker 8: which makes people feel even more isolated. Even though it's

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Speaker 8: called social media, it's very much antisocial. So we have

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03:01:18,040 --> 03:01:21,119
Speaker 8: to understand the cultural are silly as that, as Marimbai

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03:01:21,200 --> 03:01:24,320
Speaker 8: would call it, the full fledged cultural orientation of a

3230
03:01:24,400 --> 03:01:28,600
Speaker 8: group of people who want to maintain constant crisis and

3231
03:01:28,879 --> 03:01:33,000
Speaker 8: to maintain a sense that we're isolated and we're the

3232
03:01:33,080 --> 03:01:36,080
Speaker 8: only people who are really thinking the way that we think.

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03:01:36,320 --> 03:01:40,160
Speaker 8: So those get togethers have to be constant. One of

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Speaker 8: the things that I would warn against when people are

3235
03:01:42,640 --> 03:01:46,240
Speaker 8: having these meetings and we're trying to get together is

3236
03:01:46,280 --> 03:01:48,879
Speaker 8: that oftentimes there are people who are pushing an agenda

3237
03:01:49,480 --> 03:01:52,960
Speaker 8: toward their own personal gain. So we have to understand

3238
03:01:53,000 --> 03:01:57,160
Speaker 8: the power of just getting together and not use also

3239
03:01:57,400 --> 03:02:01,119
Speaker 8: selling your product or you also trying to get people

3240
03:02:01,200 --> 03:02:05,840
Speaker 8: into your pyramid scheme, but actually just being together and

3241
03:02:06,879 --> 03:02:11,000
Speaker 8: having the conversation. So in other words, I think it's

3242
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Speaker 8: important for us to understand that there's an effort that's

3243
03:02:17,000 --> 03:02:20,160
Speaker 8: made within the society we live in. I'm thinking about this.

3244
03:02:20,400 --> 03:02:25,760
Speaker 8: We live in a society that puts intelligence agencies on

3245
03:02:25,920 --> 03:02:29,800
Speaker 8: black people for simply trying to be together and to

3246
03:02:30,959 --> 03:02:34,800
Speaker 8: not feel isolated and alone. So we have to understand

3247
03:02:34,879 --> 03:02:39,320
Speaker 8: how that impacts our relationships to each other. Because when

3248
03:02:39,440 --> 03:02:41,800
Speaker 8: the people start to feel that sense of togetherness, and

3249
03:02:41,959 --> 03:02:46,280
Speaker 8: when something positive and truly useful starts to come out

3250
03:02:46,320 --> 03:02:49,920
Speaker 8: of something like the group you have called Bond, you

3251
03:02:50,080 --> 03:02:52,080
Speaker 8: can bet that they're going to send people in to

3252
03:02:52,200 --> 03:02:58,520
Speaker 8: be what agents of confusion. So when it's a huge problem,

3253
03:02:58,600 --> 03:03:01,760
Speaker 8: that has to be a part of everything that we do.

3254
03:03:02,000 --> 03:03:05,840
Speaker 8: How can we make sure that we're not allowing people

3255
03:03:06,000 --> 03:03:10,000
Speaker 8: to continue that isolation and make us feel bad with

3256
03:03:10,120 --> 03:03:12,680
Speaker 8: each other. This is where the African center piece comes in.

3257
03:03:13,360 --> 03:03:15,560
Speaker 8: That's why it's so important, because it teaches us that

3258
03:03:15,600 --> 03:03:19,359
Speaker 8: we have to think inside of our own best interests

3259
03:03:19,800 --> 03:03:22,480
Speaker 8: and do what's gonna be work, gonna work for us.

3260
03:03:22,640 --> 03:03:25,000
Speaker 8: So when we have those meetings and those gatherings and

3261
03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:28,080
Speaker 8: those get togethers, we need to be bringing our cultural

3262
03:03:28,400 --> 03:03:31,920
Speaker 8: ways of being and knowing into those spaces, doing the

3263
03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:36,360
Speaker 8: libation to bring in the ancestors, burning a candle to

3264
03:03:36,440 --> 03:03:40,480
Speaker 8: get out the negative spirit, doing the kinds of things

3265
03:03:40,560 --> 03:03:43,920
Speaker 8: that our ancestors did to the saying themselves and becoming

3266
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:46,600
Speaker 8: familiar with what they did and picking up on the traditions.

3267
03:03:47,080 --> 03:03:51,440
Speaker 8: If we won't do that, then we struggle. We're going

3268
03:03:51,520 --> 03:03:55,840
Speaker 8: to struggle and suffer more because we're using other people's

3269
03:03:55,879 --> 03:03:59,400
Speaker 8: ideas on how we can organize instead of our own ideas.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was all right five away from the

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Speaker 1: top of a Leslie's online too, calling from Buffalo. Hey, Leslie,

3272
03:04:05,600 --> 03:04:07,520
Speaker 1: can you make it real quick for us? Your question

3273
03:04:07,640 --> 03:04:08,440
Speaker 1: for doctor Shockley?

3274
03:04:09,760 --> 03:04:13,560
Speaker 15: Sure, Thank you doctor Shockley for spending time with us.

3275
03:04:13,959 --> 03:04:15,760
Speaker 15: I guess I wanted to make a comment just about

3276
03:04:15,800 --> 03:04:18,080
Speaker 15: being a public school because I am a leader in

3277
03:04:18,120 --> 03:04:21,800
Speaker 15: a public school system that there are people who care

3278
03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:25,600
Speaker 15: and are invested in our kid being successful. So my

3279
03:04:25,760 --> 03:04:29,960
Speaker 15: question centers around artificial intelligence and this political climate and

3280
03:04:30,080 --> 03:04:32,760
Speaker 15: how things are changing, and what advice you have for us.

3281
03:04:33,280 --> 03:04:40,000
Speaker 15: Also this concept of thinking about white supremacy and how

3282
03:04:40,240 --> 03:04:44,400
Speaker 15: so many people of color have similar ideologies. Would you

3283
03:04:44,520 --> 03:04:49,880
Speaker 15: consider even changing the name to reflect what is actually happening?

3284
03:04:50,360 --> 03:04:51,880
Speaker 15: And I'll take my answer off.

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03:04:54,560 --> 03:04:59,039
Speaker 8: Yeah, are you still there? I was going to ask

3286
03:04:59,080 --> 03:05:02,119
Speaker 8: a good question because I didn't quite understand the last

3287
03:05:02,160 --> 03:05:05,760
Speaker 8: part of that question. But I think, yes, we do

3288
03:05:05,920 --> 03:05:09,560
Speaker 8: have people everywhere, thank goodness, Thank goodness, we have people

3289
03:05:09,879 --> 03:05:14,959
Speaker 8: in every space that are doing good work for black children.

3290
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:21,240
Speaker 8: The problem we have is the systems that are put

3291
03:05:21,320 --> 03:05:24,960
Speaker 8: in place are designed to make sure that we're not

3292
03:05:25,120 --> 03:05:30,400
Speaker 8: effective even when we have individuals that are doing good work.

3293
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:34,520
Speaker 8: So I think what our teachers need that would really

3294
03:05:34,560 --> 03:05:37,840
Speaker 8: be helpful to them is an analysis of how these

3295
03:05:37,959 --> 03:05:41,920
Speaker 8: systems work because sometimes what happens is that people start

3296
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:47,640
Speaker 8: to look for individual examples that can that can take

3297
03:05:47,760 --> 03:05:50,560
Speaker 8: our analysis of the system and say, is the analysis

3298
03:05:50,600 --> 03:05:53,200
Speaker 8: of the system true? When I have an example over

3299
03:05:53,280 --> 03:05:58,600
Speaker 8: here of Becky who is doing good work with our kids.

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03:06:00,040 --> 03:06:03,880
Speaker 7: And were just about flat out of time, doctor Shockley. Yeah, no, no,

3301
03:06:03,959 --> 03:06:04,400
Speaker 7: no problem.

3302
03:06:05,000 --> 03:06:06,720
Speaker 1: That was a great problem to have because so many

3303
03:06:06,720 --> 03:06:08,920
Speaker 1: people and we still got a bunch of folks tweet

3304
03:06:09,000 --> 03:06:09,560
Speaker 1: questions for you.

3305
03:06:09,640 --> 03:06:10,360
Speaker 7: But we gotta run.

3306
03:06:10,760 --> 03:06:13,240
Speaker 1: How can folks reach you real quick if they want

3307
03:06:13,280 --> 03:06:15,240
Speaker 1: to follow upon some of the thunks things you talked

3308
03:06:15,240 --> 03:06:15,840
Speaker 1: about today?

3309
03:06:17,240 --> 03:06:22,000
Speaker 8: Sure, the best way to actually reach me is my email,

3310
03:06:22,040 --> 03:06:24,520
Speaker 8: which is k S h O C k l E.

3311
03:06:24,800 --> 03:06:28,080
Speaker 8: Not Shockoli, but Kate Shackle at yahoo dot com.

3312
03:06:28,320 --> 03:06:30,720
Speaker 9: I still use yah right, Okay.

3313
03:06:30,480 --> 03:06:33,279
Speaker 8: So we gotta cut it there, okay.

3314
03:06:33,040 --> 03:06:34,880
Speaker 1: Because we just flat out of time, they're gonna they

3315
03:06:34,920 --> 03:06:37,360
Speaker 1: can turn off the lights on here on the studio. Family,

3316
03:06:37,440 --> 03:06:40,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, doctor Shockley, Thank you family. We got to

3317
03:06:40,400 --> 03:06:41,360
Speaker 1: get out of here real quick.