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Speaker 2: Is Monday Gun Day with the gun.

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Speaker 1: Just watch out for the guns they'll get.

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Speaker 2: Guy, Stop calling your arms gunn.

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Speaker 1: Host of the Gun Guys Show Saturdays here on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WIBC, Guy Ralford, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Guy. One thing I wanted to ask you about real quick.

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Speaker 1: That's coming on the heels of the funeral for fallen

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Speaker 1: it's clear juvenile offenders who are running around illegally possessing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw some of those same pictures and major hardware.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the key you hit the meal on the head.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're so right, And I handle those kinds of

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Speaker 3: We got about a mint left here, but I do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what if you ever had any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's exactly right. And and you know that

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Speaker 2: fault with them here in Indiana, as much as they

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Speaker 2: don't do everything we want them to on toure, they've

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Speaker 2: been strong and been right in the middle of that.

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Speaker 2: And you got to give credit where credit is due,

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Speaker 2: because we've got about the best set of gun laws

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Speaker 2: in Indiana of any state in the country. And I'm

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Speaker 2: damn proud of that. Yep.

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Speaker 3: And look, it took a while for Rod Bray to

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Speaker 3: come around. There may or may not be some phone

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Speaker 3: calls threatening funding, but hey, to his credit, he came around.

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Speaker 2: Hey we did. He saved us.

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Speaker 3: Where can we find your work at my friend, How

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Speaker 3: can we reach you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Really through the website, You're relfordlaw dot com. You

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Speaker 2: send an email or give us a call. The numbers

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Speaker 2: right there it's relfordlaw dot com

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Speaker 3: The gun guy Guy Ralford, you the best, my friend,

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks guys,