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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartbeiner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 1: So what John Thun, the leader of the Republicans in

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Speaker 1: the Senate, is saying, is if we don't have DHS funding,

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Speaker 1: there'll be no recess, not going home, vacation, spend easter

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Speaker 1: in DC.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it takes.

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Speaker 1: But if we're not going to fund the Department of

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security, no one's going anywhere. Democrats think they can

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Speaker 1: play cute and say, well, we'll just fund TSA, because

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Speaker 1: that's starting to hurt lines that go on for forever.

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Speaker 1: Yet I don't think Republicans have done any bit of

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Speaker 1: work at all in hanging that around the next of Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Griff Jenkins joins us right now from Fox News, Fox

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Speaker 1: and Friends weekends. He does the the Big Show in

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Speaker 1: the afternoon. He is the entire network. And when it

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Speaker 1: comes to understanding the border and ice and Homeland Security,

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Speaker 1: he was covering the border before covering the border was cool.

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Speaker 2: And Griff, good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: I want to get into what's going on with DHS,

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Speaker 1: the possibility of the.

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Speaker 2: Mark Wayne Mullen confirmation and how tough that's going to be.

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Speaker 1: But you did a story last week now I don't

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Speaker 1: think got enough attention.

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Speaker 2: It was on Fox and Friends and.

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Speaker 1: It was about drone interceptors in Ukraine because the Ukrainians

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Speaker 1: did something smart. Selenski did something very smart and said,

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Speaker 1: we're in favor of you, the United States, taking out

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Speaker 1: this Iranian regime. We believe in the same thing that

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Speaker 1: we have to stop threats before they begin for all humanity.

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Speaker 1: They're starting to learn that Israeli angle on it as

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Speaker 1: opposed to why won't you give us more money? And

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Speaker 1: they have had very very good fortune and done very

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Speaker 1: good work in the world of drones and being able

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Speaker 1: to handle Russian drones. Talk to me a little bit

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Speaker 1: about that conversation that you had, the offer that the

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Speaker 1: Ukrainians are making, and whether or not the United States

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Speaker 3: You know, Tony, it's great to be with you as always,

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Speaker 3: my friend, and I'm so glad you're highlighting that because

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Speaker 3: don't take it from Griff Jenkins. Take it from General

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Speaker 3: David Petraeus. We all remember him, right, and he obviously

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Speaker 3: has the experience of the Iraq War and is among

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Speaker 3: those that doesn't want to repeat what's happening in Iraq,

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Speaker 3: but he has lots of lessons that pertain to it.

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Speaker 3: And I was watching Petraeus doing an interview recently where

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Speaker 3: he was talking about the US should have been paying

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Speaker 3: attention to the changing face of warfare, the battle space,

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Speaker 3: and the drone stuff happening in Ukraine. Ukraine has figured

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Speaker 3: out in the past four years how to deal with

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Speaker 3: the Iranian drones given to Russia that were decimating Ukrainian

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Speaker 3: troops and the need to intercept them. And so you

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Speaker 3: have companies like the Hornet Stinger interceptor drones that are

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Speaker 3: basically these tiny, little, inexpensive two thousand dollars all it

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Speaker 3: these swarms of drones. But Betrans warns that even with

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Speaker 3: all the technology the US military has, and it is

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Speaker 3: that happening now in Iran, the threat of swarming, low

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Speaker 3: that we are ill equipped and behind on figuring out

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Speaker 3: how to defend against. And ultimately that's why you're seeing

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Speaker 3: while the Iranians are firing fewer and fewer missiles. They're

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Speaker 3: continuing those drone swarms because they've got them. They can

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Speaker 3: build them rapidly and deploy them, and they are effective

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Speaker 3: and they have real consequences and casualties. People in Israel

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Well, just the last point is so, so the US

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Speaker 2: And that was the point to make.

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Speaker 1: It's not that we don't have the technology. It's that

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Speaker 2: But really you need radio shack.

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Speaker 1: You need a couple of guys in a garage going

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Speaker 1: low tech to win the day. And this is not

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Speaker 1: the way you want to learn that lesson. But it's

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it looks like there's a push obviously

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Speaker 3: The Pentagon already has a trillion plus dollars to work with.

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Speaker 3: But as it comes to specifically, you know, getting money

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to get bipartisan support because you

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Speaker 3: saying that, you know, autonomous systems, meaning these little cheap

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Speaker 3: And so the wake up call to urgently address it

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Speaker 1: Talking to Griff Jenkins at Fox News, follow him on

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Speaker 2: It seems obvious to me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to get into former co workers

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Speaker 2: There is a group of people.

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Speaker 1: It's not that they think that the war with Iran

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Speaker 1: can't win in the Middle East. How divided is Capitol

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Speaker 3: And we hear from Secretary of Hexseth and others that

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Speaker 3: so far, this is a remarkable military success. And when

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Speaker 3: you hear people talk about, you know, no matter what

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Speaker 3: all that stuff you're talking about. But but what dumbfounds me, Tony,

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Speaker 3: was near universal opposition to this administration's success in this endeavor.

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Speaker 3: And you know the old saying that politics stops the

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Speaker 3: but boy, not to this degree. And you wonder too,

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Speaker 3: you know, should the president's objectives be met in some

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Speaker 3: and I think Secretary Heccess, you know, had a great

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Speaker 3: dignified transfer and the service members who died. He told him,

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Speaker 3: And you know, the Gulf States are now buying in

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Speaker 3: President Trump's vision that the Middle East is much better

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Speaker 1: Talking to Griff Jenkins of Fox News co host Fox

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Speaker 1: and Friends Weekend, you catch them in the afternoons weekend.

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Speaker 1: You catch them seven days a week doing the reporting

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Speaker 1: and doing the work. Let's bring it over to Department

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Speaker 1: of Homeland Security, the ICE funding.

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Speaker 2: That's all about the removal of illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 1: And again a subject you've been covering before anybody was

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Speaker 1: The funding where you're hearing that Democrats will now fund

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, fund the TSA, but we won't fund ICE.

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Speaker 1: And Democrats even vote against the idea of deportation of

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Speaker 2: Where is this fight on the hill?

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Speaker 3: So as a Gavin Washington and being in Tuck Radio

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Speaker 3: But to the point that we've gotten now Tony, I

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Speaker 3: And mind you, obviously in a heightened threat environment, we're

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Speaker 3: But these agents know the great pressure. This isn't like

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Speaker 3: and you're being asked to do it for free, without

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. My father in law called me

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Speaker 3: the fact that ICE has continued to operate without any

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Speaker 1: Did Soon threat that if there's no DHS funding, we're

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Speaker 2: Does that change anything for Democrats?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, sometimes you know, like

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Speaker 2: Maybe he does.

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Speaker 3: I hope it does change things, But at the end

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Speaker 3: But this time they don't, and they're going to have to.

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Speaker 3: I think it's four times now that Senate Democrats have

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go really quick, Mark Waynemullen, the

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Speaker 1: Is Mark wayn Mullen going to make it through a

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he does. I honestly think he does.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing about the DHS funding and why Democrats

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Speaker 3: Fetterman offsets Ran Paul, then you got fifty two more

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Speaker 1: And then you got to worry about Murkowski and Collins,

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Speaker 1: which I think of the two, worry about Griff Jenkins,

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Speaker 1: Fox News, Fox and Friends weekends.

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Speaker 2: Catch them there. I appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 2: be with us. More as coming up on Tony Katz