1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the gun show. 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: It's Monday Gun Day with the gun. 4 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 3: Swatch out with the guns they'll get. 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Guy, stop calling your arms. 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 3: Gunny show fun name is Nigel. Jason Hammer is here 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: also joining us live in studio, a rare live in 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 3: studio appearance by a very busy gun guy, Guy Railford, 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 3: host of the Gun Guys Show Saturdays. Here on ninety 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: three WIBC Second Amendment Attorney, Licensed Firearms Instructor. How are you, guy? 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: I am great, and thanks as always to our sponsor 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: for Monday Gun Day. That's Premiere Arms in Brownsburg, the 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 2: largest selection of new, used and historic firearms in the Midwest, 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: and Pa Drew is located in the farmhouse right out front. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Check them out at thirty seven and fifty four South 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: Green Street in Brownsburg or Premiere Arms dot Com. 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: Good seeing you, man. I know you've been busy. 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: It's great to see you guys. I actually had a 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: busy day today, but I've been calling in lately and 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: I said I got to come down and see my 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: handsome Well, I won't say I won't use the word 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: I used in the text I sent Jason, but you 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: handsome meers. 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: Right, and you can't do a squall to be here 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: a little squaw going on outside right now? 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: Guy, we were talking last week how much I love 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: the story of the Old Dominion ro OTC students that 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: took on this gunman like active shooter, still very much 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: a threat. These students bum rushed this guy, killed him 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: without a gun. I believe they stabbed him and beat 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: the hell out of him. And now that we're kind 33 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: of getting some more information on this story, you look 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: at the gun laws in Virginia, Okay, look at what's 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: going on in Virginia and the way they think about guns. 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: But the Old Dominion shooter was not prosecuted by the 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Biden administration for laws that he broke when it came 38 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: to firearms. 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this, you're right this, But what this is, 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: this is this is the guy who sold the shooter 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: his gun. Okay, So what happened is there was a 42 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: guy who illegally obtained the gun that he then transferred 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: to the Old Dominion shooter. All right, what we call 44 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: straw purchase purchase where you buy a gun, because the 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: Old Dominion shooter, as you guys have covered very very well. 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: Is he was a convicted felon. He had provided material 47 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: support to Isis and got convicted for that. Right, so 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: he's a felon. He can't buy a gun. He got 49 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: his gun by having someone else do his straw purchase 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: for him. The guy that provided that gun had done 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: the exact same thing before and done a previous straw 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: purchase and was not prosecuted. Exactly as you said by 53 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: the Biden administration, Jason and so and so, the guy 54 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: who gave the Sky the gun should have been in 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: jail before the transaction ever occurred. The resulted in the 56 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: guy getting the gun that he used to go in 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: and commit the old Dominion shooting. 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: And it's something we talk about a lot. You don't 59 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: need new laws now, you need to just enforce the 60 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: ones you already have, you know, And people. 61 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Roll their eyes when we say that. But example after 62 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: example after example of where like again, you got these 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: lunatics in Virginia now passing. There's not a gun control 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: law that they're not passing in Virginia right now. Man, 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: they got their assault weapon ban, their high capacity magazine ban, 66 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: enhanced red flag laws. I mean, they're passing everything they 67 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: can possibly get through the legislature, because why because, as 68 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: we always say, elections have consequences, right, right, And Democrats 69 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: took over the House of Delegates, they took over the Senate, 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: they took over the governor's office in Virginia. So now 71 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: they're passing every damn thing. And in the middle of 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: all of that, passing every damn gun law, and people 73 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: are pointing it old dominion, which is right there in Norfolk, Virginia, saying, 74 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: look at that, there's air support for why we need 75 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: more gun laws. And we can look right at that 76 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: and say, how many existing laws were broken? Right? And 77 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: what makes you think if with all those other laws 78 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: that were broken, but suddenly everybody's going to comply with 79 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: some new set of laws you passed when they're fully 80 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: willing to violate all the existing laws. That's what doesn't 81 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: make any damn sense. 82 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: I know this guy, I know this doesn't really have 83 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 3: anything to do with the gun laws. But he was 84 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: previously in prison for providing material to isis right, he's 85 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: in the military, he was a naturalized citizen from Sierra Leone. 86 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: Maybe I think I have that right. 87 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: That sounds right. 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: There's no reason on the face of this earth. Why, 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 3: First of all, he shouldn't have been out of jail, 90 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: all right, he got released early. 91 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 2: He could have done twenty years and he did something 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: like eight or nine. 93 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he shouldn't have been out of jail. And 94 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: then the moment he was released, should have been denaturalized 95 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: and sent back to where he came from. 96 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: You know, that's another important point. When you come into 97 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: this country and gain citizenship and then create and then 98 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: commit not only a felony, but the felony of providing 99 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: material support to a terrorist organization, Why on God's earth 100 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: will we not depoor your ass? Why would Why would 101 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: the Biden administration not deport his ass? Somebody needs to 102 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: explain that to me. 103 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you bring up that it was the 104 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: Biden administration because if you turn on CNN, if you 105 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: watch MS now, probably because you hate yourself or something, 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: but if you watch one of these networks, there's somehow 107 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: bending themselves into a pretzel blaming Republicans for all of this. 108 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, And that's gotten to be a little bit funny. 109 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: In fact, I sent you guys a clip. I don't 110 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: know if Allison has this, but there's the prosecutor there 111 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: in no Folk, Virginia. It gave a bit of a presser, 112 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: and he came out and he said he said, yeah, 113 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: he said, you know, we're gonna continue to have shootings 114 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: like this. And again, let's just back up. This is 115 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: after the Biden administration DJ let this guy out of 116 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: jail early. This is after the Biden administration did not 117 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: prosecute the guy who provided the gun to the shooter, 118 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: even though he should have gone to jail for up 119 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: to fifteen years. By the way, after all of that, 120 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: he comes in and notwithstanding the fact this guy was 121 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: a felon in possession of a gun who could not 122 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: legally possess a gun, who went on at the Oldaman 123 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: University campus, which was illegal to possess a gun on 124 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: that campus, and then committed o say, murder, which is 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: also against the law. The prosecutor there Nofolk kind of 126 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: came out and said, you know what, this is going 127 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: to continue to happen. We're going continue to see these 128 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: shootings as long as we have this this culture of 129 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: gun absolutism and Republicans refused to pass common sense gun control. 130 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: Oh geez it literally used those words this is a 131 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: result of the culture of gun absolutism. And I heard that, 132 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: and I talked about this something my show, and I 133 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: played the clip and I just went crazy, going, these 134 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: are people who have their heads so far buried in 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: the dirt or buried somewhere else right in their anatomy, 136 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: that they lose all rationality when they discuss these issues. 137 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 3: How big a problem? Like, generally speaking, And we don't 138 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: spend a lot of time on this, I know we 139 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: have other things to get through, but straw purchases, yeah, 140 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: for guns? Is that? Is that a big problem in 141 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: this country? 142 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: Huge problem in this country. In fact, police will tell 143 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: you you know you have you know, folks from my 144 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: MPD in here and the folks who know these numbers. 145 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: The two biggest sources of guns for criminals to use 146 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: in crimes are theft. They'll steal them out of your car, 147 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: They'll steal them out of your house. That's why I'm 148 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: preaching secure storage. Man. I just got a new truck 149 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: and the first thing I did was put a safe 150 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: in it. Right, so I can leave a gun if 151 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: I go to go to court like I did this 152 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: morning or whatever. I can leave a gun in my 153 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: in my in my car securely, they'll steal them out 154 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: of your out of your car or out of your home. 155 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: But the other place is stop straw purchases. They'll find 156 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: somebody who can legally buy a gun, and they'll pay 157 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: him some incremental amount of money for them to go 158 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: in there, buy a gun, come out to you, and 159 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: give it to you in the parking lot. And that 160 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: happens over and over again. That's why we need to 161 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: put the SOB's in jail who do that, so that 162 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: crimes like this don't occur. 163 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: It's a Monday gun Day with the gun guy, Guy Relford. 164 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: All right, guys, so I'm gonna do a little choose 165 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: your own adventure here. I'm going to roll out a 166 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: couple different topics. You tell me the route you want 167 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: to go down. Okay, do we want to talk about 168 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: some new laws in regards to two AA here in 169 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: Indiana or do you want to talk about the update 170 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: to the famous run height five fight credo that we've 171 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: seen from mass shootings. 172 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: You know what, we do have a couple of new 173 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: laws in Indiana, but let's leave that for another day. 174 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: We can always talk about those things. I think both 175 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: the shooting at Old Dominion University in Virginia and in 176 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: West Bloomfield, Michigan highlight the fact that a lot of 177 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: the real experts who teach in this area, in terms 178 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: of response to mass shootings, right, active shooter response, we 179 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: have absolutely changed and gotten away from the old run 180 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: hide fight. You know, credo, I think is a great 181 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: word that you just used. That's been the advice forever, 182 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: right wherever you're in a business, you're in school, or 183 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: wherever you are. 184 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Say they were teaching that in schools for a long time, 185 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: for a long time. 186 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: And listen, we figured out quite a while ago. And 187 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: it's a great book called The First Thirty Seconds by 188 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: a guy named Ed Munk, and I highly recommend this. 189 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: It's active shooter, it's understanding the active shooter. It's understanding 190 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: active shooter response. But we realized that especially the hyde 191 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,599 Speaker 2: part was getting a lot of people killed. Right you 192 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: go lock the door and hide in your classroom. Well, 193 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: there was something like twenty people killed at Marjorie Stoneman 194 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: Douglass High School in Florida because they locked the door 195 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: of the classroom and they hid in the classroom, and 196 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 2: the shooter just walked by me. Shot through the door 197 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: of the classroom and he killed a whole bunch of people. 198 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: The hide part, it can absolutely get you killed because 199 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: you'll get found and you're not securing yourself. You're not 200 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: barricading yourself. You're not preventing yourself from getting shot. So 201 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: we've evaded. We've changed it to rather than run. First 202 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: of all, escape and evade, and that's close, that's pretty 203 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: close to run. But it's if you can, if you 204 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: have the opportunity, if you have a clear escape route. Yes, escape, 205 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: you're going to survive if you get out of the 206 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: thread area. But then hide, no, no, no, not hide. 207 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: If you have the opportunity, secure and barricade in place, 208 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: Secure and barricade in place. And if you can't secure 209 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: and barricade in place and you can't escape, then you 210 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: ought to be very quickly. Turning to the next part, 211 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: which is become the aggressor, and of course fight means 212 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: the same thing, but become the aggressor. What did you 213 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: see in Old Dominion University? You guys said, are just 214 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: guys with a knife for crying out loud, took this 215 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: guy on, killed him and stopped the mass shooting. What 216 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: did you see at West Bloomfield in the synodogue at 217 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 2: Temple Israel, you had security who closed in on this 218 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: guy and shot him and killed him before he could 219 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: even engage anyone. So become the aggressor. So I'm not 220 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 2: talking about run, hide and fight anymore. I'm saying escape 221 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: in EVD. If you can secure and barricade and then 222 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: become the aggressor, that's the response. 223 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: Where can we find your work, my friend. 224 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 2: Ralford Law is the best place through the website ralfordlaw 225 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 2: dot com. 226 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: The gun guy Guy, Ralford, you're the best. Thanks guys, 227 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.