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Speaker 1: Bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: Welcome afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guy Show here

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Speaker 3: on ninety three WIBC. Hope you're enjoying your weekend. Hope

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Speaker 3: you had a chance to get outside and bust some primers,

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Speaker 3: exercise your Second Amendment rights. You know, in the first

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Speaker 3: segment last week, I mentioned an event that I'm excited

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Speaker 3: shoot in plays for a cause, which is coming up Thursday,

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Speaker 3: September eleventh, obviously an important date in this country's history.

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Speaker 3: And I can't imagine a better thing to do on

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Speaker 3: Amendment rights and raise some money for the Salvation Army

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Speaker 3: and at risk children right here in Central Indiana. And

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Speaker 3: it's going to be at the Indiana Gun Club again.

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday, September eleventh. This is a fundraiser to send kids.

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Speaker 3: The Salvation Army is sending at risk kids to the

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Speaker 3: Hidden Falls Camp down in Lawrence County, down by Bedford, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: But joining me with much more in the way of

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Speaker 3: Indiana Division of Salvation Army, Major Mark Johnson. Major Mark,

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Speaker 3: thanks so much for joining us here on the Gun

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's pleasure

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Speaker 3: Absolutely So the Hidden Falls Camp. First of all, tell

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Speaker 3: me about the camp, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: this event is really about raising money to send at

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Speaker 3: risk kids to that particular camp, is it not.

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Speaker 4: That's correct. The Salvation Army has a long history of

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Speaker 4: bringing people to camp. Specifically, it started with inner city

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Speaker 4: families with the we're called fresh air camps because they

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Speaker 4: a lot of families that were poor didn't have any

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Speaker 4: way to get out of even the city for the summer,

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Speaker 4: so it provided a respite. And it's been part of

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Speaker 4: our history now for a long long time. And the

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Speaker 4: camp down in Hidden Falls is a beautiful seven hundred

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Speaker 4: acre camp with trails and indoor swimming pool. We have

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Speaker 4: outdoor activities like a zip line, high ropes, low ropes,

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Speaker 4: you name it. We do it for kids and in

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Speaker 4: for families as well.

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic. Now, is this going to be all age

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Speaker 4: Well, for the overnight camping, it's focused on basically six

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Speaker 4: year olds and up through eighteen. But there are other

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Speaker 4: family camps where the entire family can come and other

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Speaker 3: Well, tell me about Clays for a Cost coming up

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Speaker 3: on September eleventh, and you'll see my name on the roster.

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Speaker 3: I signed up my team this morning actually, and I'm

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Speaker 3: in it to win it. I'm a little competitive. I

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Speaker 3: come out there. I love shooting sporting plays. By the way,

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Speaker 3: it's one of the all time great shooting activities you

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Speaker 3: can possibly engage in. But tell me about the event,

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Speaker 4: Sure? Well, the easiest way to sign up is Clays

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Speaker 4: for a Cause dot net And that's FLR, not a

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Speaker 4: number four. Clays for a Cause dot net And the

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Speaker 4: event really is like you said to help us raise

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Speaker 4: And the event itself will happen on September eleventh. Registration

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Speaker 4: so it'll be a nice afternoon. You get to shoot

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Speaker 4: Club Sporting Clays Course, and it's two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 4: every paid shooter gets one ticket into the drawing for

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Speaker 3: So when I talk to people about sporting play fundraisers

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Speaker 3: But I hear things like, gosh, I've never shot sporting

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Speaker 4: You know, guy, I heard you say your team is

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Speaker 4: Indiana Gun Club included in your registration is not only

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Speaker 4: all levels competitive. There are some pretty cool trophies in

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Speaker 3: I'll say that is absolutely true. I've shotten a lot

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Speaker 3: of fundraisers at Indiana Gun Club in particular, and they

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Speaker 4: We don't have a sporting clays thing, but we could

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Speaker 3: So beautiful time, Absolutely true. And listen the last question

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Speaker 3: I'm not really sure where my money going. I'm not

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Speaker 3: You know, who's going to benefit from my contribution to

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Speaker 3: for doing the radio thon every year. It raises money.

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Speaker 3: Is we're working with the Indiana Division of Salvation Army,

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Speaker 4: Serve Hoosiers, and Hoosiers support us. So we couldn't do

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's remind folks I've

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Speaker 4: Best way is just to go to our website plays

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Speaker 4: net and you can register right there get more information.

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Speaker 4: It'll give you all the details. September eleventh. Registration starts

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Speaker 4: at twelve thirty. We're going to be shoot on the

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Speaker 4: four thirty, and by five thirty after our program and

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Speaker 4: of course that drawing for that Benelli shotgun, along with

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Speaker 4: the other great things that you could purchase. Uh, we'll

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Well, Major Mark Johnson, Division Commander, Statelisian Army, Indiana,

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Speaker 5: Thank you sure, first time caller, a longtime listener.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I appreciate you calling. What you got for us.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna say, no, there's no way he

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Speaker 5: That's a bad thing. Yeah, but you'd hope that you

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Speaker 3: there's no better arm presence in terms of response time

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Speaker 3: than having an individual right there and available. But let's

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Speaker 3: switch gears a little bit. We have a little bit

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Speaker 3: of time here before the next break. Supreme Court is

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Speaker 3: being asked to hear yet another two a related case,

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Speaker 3: and we just saw a petition. We call it a

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Speaker 3: petition for circiarrari. What's circierrari. That's just where the US

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court is just asked to review a case. Typically

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Speaker 3: someone who's lost at a lower level, typically in the

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Speaker 3: Court of Appeals for one of the federal circuits, and

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Speaker 3: a person who lost below or didn't get the ruling

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Speaker 3: they were looking for in the circuit Court of Appeals

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Speaker 3: will ask the Supreme Court to take a look at

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Speaker 3: the case. That's the most common route. There are some

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Speaker 3: other routes. To get to the Supreme Court, but we'll

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Speaker 3: leave it there for now. And you do that by

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Speaker 3: asking the Supreme Court to review the case filing what's

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Speaker 3: called a petition for schiari or a lot of times

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Speaker 3: you hear that just abbreviated to petition for certain Well,

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Speaker 3: the most recent one, and there are a bunch of

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Speaker 3: certain petitions pending on two a related cases and a

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Speaker 3: couple are in committee and are going to be considered

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Speaker 3: by the Supreme Court in terms of whether the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court takes them or not. By the way, what does

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Speaker 3: it take for the Supreme Court to take a case?

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Speaker 3: Get this, This is not in the Constitution, it's not

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Speaker 3: in a federal statute. It's just tradition. And the tradition

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Speaker 3: in the Supreme Court is that if four justices four

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Speaker 3: out of the nine, so it doesn't even take a

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Speaker 3: majority if four justices want to hear a case the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court. Here's the case called the rule of four. Well,

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Speaker 3: there are number two related cases, and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: talk about some of the other ones, and I'm going

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Speaker 3: to prioritize a little bit here in the discussion. But

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Speaker 3: one of the newest ones is the prohibition in California

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Speaker 3: on so called high capacity magazines, that is, ammunition storage

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Speaker 3: devices used in firearms that hold more than ten rounds

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Speaker 3: ten California calls it a high capacity magazine that they've banned,

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Speaker 3: and they did this in increments. They started by banning

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Speaker 3: the sale or importation into California of these so called

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Speaker 3: high capacity magazines, and then they prohibited the possession of

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Speaker 3: them altogether. You had to destroy them, turn it into

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Speaker 3: law enforcement. So you couldn't buy and couldn't even possess

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Speaker 3: a magazine more than ten round because that is a oh, no,

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Speaker 3: high capacity magazine. How many modern handgun just modern handguns

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Speaker 3: carry more than ten rounds. Shoot. I've got a little

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Speaker 3: one of the original P three C sixty five six hours,

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Speaker 3: a little sig P three sixty five, one of the

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Speaker 3: first ones that came out, and they come out with

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Speaker 3: They have come out with various other versions of it

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Speaker 3: since then, but the original one comes with a ten

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Speaker 3: round magazine in it. But you can get twelve round magazines,

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Speaker 3: fifteen round magazines for and now I carry it with

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Speaker 3: a twelve round magazine and it's a little gun. And

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Speaker 3: one of the things I love about the gun, it's

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Speaker 3: one of the guns I carry most often. I actually

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Speaker 3: have a sig three to sixty five x Macro, which

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Speaker 3: is seventeen plus one in a compact package. But I

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Speaker 3: carry that little three sixty five or a twelve round

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Speaker 3: magazine in it, and it's tiny. It disappear when you're

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Speaker 3: carrying it. And California would put me in prison for

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Speaker 3: having that twelve round mage. Am I gone? And that's

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Speaker 3: exactly what this case that Supreme Court is being asked

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Speaker 3: to review by the National Rifle Association and a couple

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Speaker 3: of other litigants in that case, because the Ninth Circuit,

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Speaker 3: through incredibly twisted form of logic, said oh no, that

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Speaker 3: ban is just fine under the Second Amendment. And so

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Speaker 3: this is one of the cases of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: is going to consider. I'm going to talk about some

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Speaker 3: of the other ones. I'm going to talk about what

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Speaker 3: the legal issues are associated with a so called high

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Speaker 3: capacity magazine ban, but also some of the other pending

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Speaker 3: cases and cases that need to be reviewed and resolved

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Speaker 3: and overturned frankly by the US Supreme Court. I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you what. We're a little past three quarter an hour,

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Speaker 3: but before we do, Steve has called in and also

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Speaker 3: wanted to talk about the military and firearms on base,

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Speaker 3: And so before we go to the break, let's bring

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Speaker 3: Steve and Steve, thanks for your call.

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Speaker 6: You're thing. Hey, So I was prayer military, I lived

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Speaker 6: on base, and I had shotguns and pistols with me

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Speaker 6: on face. It wasn't a problem your earlier caller who

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Speaker 6: talked about you know that kids. They're young men who

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Speaker 6: can can lose their temper.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: You've got a lot of the people who live in

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Speaker 6: family housing that can be armed. But the big problem

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Speaker 6: with all the service member being able to do it

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Speaker 6: is what do they do at night? How do they

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Speaker 6: secure it in the ferry at night?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's a great.

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Speaker 6: Would be a major stumbling block.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point, Steve. I mean, you really

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Speaker 3: would need, you know, a some kind of secure lock

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Speaker 3: box or safe or something along those lines, or have

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Speaker 3: the capacity to you know, have them walked up but

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Speaker 3: still accessible. It seems to me, well, how did that

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Speaker 3: work with living in private housing that was still on base.

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Speaker 3: How did the regulations work? Because I'm assuming you weren't

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Speaker 3: just willfully violating military regulations by having your personal firearms

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Speaker 3: in a private residence that happened to be located on base.

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Speaker 3: How did the regulations work on that?

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Speaker 6: You're you're allowed to if you lived in government housing,

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Speaker 6: you were allowed to have your firearms. If you lived

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Speaker 6: in the barracks and you wanted and you had firearms,

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Speaker 6: they had these things they called rod and Gun clubs,

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Speaker 6: which basically a private club on base that you would

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Speaker 6: store your personal firearms at. And they're usually open, you know,

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Speaker 6: certain hours and on the weekends and stuff. It's it's

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Speaker 6: kind of like an NCO club, but not so much

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Speaker 6: with the alcohol. But it was set up for, you know,

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Speaker 6: for storing the firearms for people who lived in the barricks.

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Speaker 6: You could not have a firearm in the barracks. That

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Speaker 6: was forbidden completely and I assume you couldn't now government

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Speaker 6: now did not apply.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But even if if if you were allowed, even

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Speaker 3: though you were allowed to have your your your personal

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Speaker 3: firearms in a private residence on base, you couldn't go

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Speaker 3: walking around the base carrying your handgun. Could you?

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Speaker 6: Off duty?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 6: Because off off off duty, I could I could go home,

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Speaker 6: get off work, you know, go home, grab a gun

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Speaker 6: and and go to the local gun range and go shooting.

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Speaker 6: There was no problem. I didn't have to check with anybody.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 6: It was a right given to me under the Second

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Speaker 6: Amendment and perfectly legal on base.

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Speaker 3: You bet that I could.

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Speaker 5: I could.

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Speaker 6: I could take it out of my Uh. Back then

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Speaker 6: I was a little younger. I didn't have a safe,

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Speaker 6: I didn't have as many firearms, so but I kept

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Speaker 6: it in a filing cabinet with a key lock.

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Speaker 5: I got you, But I could take it out.

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Speaker 6: We'd go to the gun range, go shoot, uh, and

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Speaker 6: then go back and put it away.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha. Well, listen, Steve, thanks so much for calling. I'm

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Speaker 3: a little late getting into this break, but I appreciate

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Speaker 3: the additional information. And right now we are taking a break.

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Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 3: ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Your Rights, Your Responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Relford on three WYVC.

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Speaker 3: And we've got a little bit of a short segment. Heres.

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Speaker 3: We sometimes at the top of the hour ear on

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Speaker 3: the Gun Guy Show. But high capacity magazine ban Now

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Speaker 3: at the outset, there's an argument out there, and you

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Speaker 3: hear this from anti gun people all the time that well,

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Speaker 3: if we're talking about a high capacity magazine ban, then

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Speaker 3: that's not even covered by the Second Amendment because it's

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Speaker 3: not a firearm, and only firearms are covered by the

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Speaker 3: Second Amendment. You hear that argument all the time. Well,

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Speaker 3: first of all, the Second Amends doesn't talk about firearm.

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Speaker 3: It talks about arms. The right of the people to

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Speaker 3: keep in bare arms shall not be infringed. Gun firearms

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Speaker 3: not in there. And a magazine for a semi automatic

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Speaker 3: firearm and semi automatics are obviously highly, highly popular and

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Speaker 3: definitely in common use. Well, they require a magazine to function.

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Speaker 3: Some they require a magazine to function at all because

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Speaker 3: they have what we call magazine safeties on them. They

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Speaker 3: simply won't function less some magazine's inserted, but for others

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Speaker 3: won't function beyond one shot. So a component of a

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Speaker 3: firearm that's essential for that firearm to function is part

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Speaker 3: of what we call arms in this country. Of course,

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Speaker 3: have ruled on that point, so we can get beyond that.

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Speaker 3: Next question is are so called high capacity magazines, that is,

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Speaker 3: those that hold more than ten rounds? Are they commonly

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Speaker 3: used for lawful purposes here in the United States? Where

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Speaker 3: does that come from, how does that enter into it?

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Speaker 3: And what are the other cases before the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: We would like to see rulings on We'll get into

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Speaker 3: all of that when we come back in our number

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Speaker 3: two on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment. And this is the Gun Guy a boom

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Speaker 1: boom boom.

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Speaker 2: Boom bang bang bang bang boom boom, boom boom bang bang.

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Speaker 1: Bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for our number two The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show here on ninety three WIBC. We're thrilled here with us.

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Speaker 3: As I was talking about before the break, there's a

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Speaker 3: case where a petition for Sushirara that is requested the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court to review. The case was just filed yesterday

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Speaker 3: and this is Duncan versus Bonta, and it's a lawsuit

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Speaker 3: over California's ban on any magazines that is ammunition storage

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Speaker 3: device used in semi automatic rifles and pistols and shotguns

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Speaker 3: for that matter, some shotguns, and it is asking the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court to declare a ban on magazines over ten

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Speaker 3: rounds to be unconstitutional. So what are the legal issues

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Speaker 3: in this Well, First of all, you go back to

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Speaker 3: the Heller case, the Supreme Court case in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and eight, and the Heller case was over Washington DC's

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Speaker 3: really total ban on handguns the way Washington, DC, and

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Speaker 3: by the way, Illinois or rather the city of Chicago

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Speaker 3: had a complete ban on handguns as well, and that

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Speaker 3: was overturned two years later in twenty ten in the

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Speaker 3: McDonald's case, but in Heller in Washington, d C. And

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Speaker 3: this is noteworthy now given what's going on in Washington

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Speaker 3: where President Trump has nationalized National Guard and otherwise nationalized

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Speaker 3: law enforcement to a large degree in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: In order to regain control over what has been and

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Speaker 3: out of control geographic area for a long long time,

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Speaker 3: with incredibly high rates of carjackings and robberies and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: And it's come out lately. They've been fudging the numbers

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Speaker 3: to try to say crime is down, but it looks

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Speaker 3: to be a problem just anecdotally, the number of people

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Speaker 3: who simply can't drive through Washington without getting cargas or

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Speaker 3: robbed or murdered or some combination thereof. But Washington DC

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight, until the Heller decision was

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Speaker 3: handed down, had a ban on handguns. And the way

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Speaker 3: they did that is they said, well, you can't own

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Speaker 3: a firearm at all unless you get a license to

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Speaker 3: possess that fire This isn't to carry a gun. This

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Speaker 3: is just to possess a gun at all. And you

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Speaker 3: can't possess a gun at all in Washington, d C.

652
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Speaker 3: Unless the district issues you a license. And oh, by

653
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 3: the way, we don't issue licenses for handguns. There you

654
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: go a complete ban on handguns. In addition, any firearm

655
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: you did have in your home had to be rendered

656
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: completely inoperable by you either being completely locked up or

657
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: disassembled such that it could not function. And those two

658
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: components of Washington d C. Law went ultimately up to

659
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court in case DC versus Heller, and the

660
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: Supreme Court first had to deal with the issue. And

661
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: I've mentioned this here on the show before because it's

662
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 3: so incredibly important and we only one I say we that,

663
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: as people who actually care about their Second Amendment rights,

664
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: we only won on this issue by one vote. This

665
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: is a five to four decision on this point, and

666
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: by one vote. The Supreme Court ruled that the Second

667
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: Amendment's preparatory clause that is, a well regulated militia being

668
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: necessary to security of a free state, that that didn't

669
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: limit the application of the Second Amendment or the protection

670
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 3: against infringement of the Second Amendment, that it wasn't limited

671
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: to those people serving in an active organized government military unit.

672
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 3: Today for you and I, it would be the National Guard.

673
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: If you're not in the National Guard, there is no

674
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: right to possess a firearm, which, by the way, is

675
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: an interesting discussion given that argument as it relates to

676
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 3: what we just finished talking about now our number one,

677
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: which is banned on military personnel being able to have

678
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: personal firearms on base. That sounds like a law review

679
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: article that needs to be written. But by one vote,

680
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court rejected the argument that the reference to

681
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: well regulated militia in the Supreme Court in the Second Amendment,

682
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: I should say, doesn't limit the application or the protection

683
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: of the Second Amendment only to those in the militia

684
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: for an organized military unit. But they went on from that,

685
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: and that was a foundational issue. We lost that one boom.

686
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 3: Private citizens have no rights protected by the Second Amendment

687
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: period and by one vote, Well, you don't think elections

688
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: may and who gets to appoint Supreme Court justices. Had

689
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: that gone the other way, it'd be a different world

690
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 3: right now, right here in these United States.

691
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 5: But the.

692
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: Issue of the meaning and scope of the Second Amendment,

693
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Speaker 3: as determined in the Heller decision went beyond that. And

694
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: they also said, well, we need to consider whether handguns,

695
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: which were the subject of the litigation there in that case,

696
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: due to Washington, DC's ban on handguns, whether handguns are

697
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: even armed protected by the Second Amendment. Because you and

698
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 3: I might disagree, by the way, and I think there's

699
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: a very logical legal argument for why this is wrong.

700
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: But courts have held in Supreme Court, even within the

701
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: Heller Discis vision, held that the Second Amendment does not

702
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: necessarily apply to all arms of any kind whatsoever. And

703
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: our own beloved President Biden during his term would often say,

704
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment doesn't give you any right to possess

705
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: any firearm whatsoever, any arm whatsoever, any weapon whatsoever. Well,

706
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: that part the Supreme Court agrees with, unfortunately, But he'd

707
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: then go on to say he can't own a canon

708
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: or and I forget his other common example of what

709
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: you could known. He said, well, you couldn't own a

710
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: canon like even the time of the founder, you couldn't

711
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: known a cannon. Well, you sure as hell you could.

712
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: The hell there were private ships called privateers that had

713
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: rows of cannon on them, and local citizenry who wore

714
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: the Yes, militia had cannon out the wazoo. But at

715
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: any rate, the Supreme Court has said you can't own

716
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: any firearms whatsoever. So the issue is if you can't

717
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: own any arm or weapon whatsoever the least according to

718
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, what arms are covered? And whatever arms

719
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: are covered, do they include handguns? And then the Heller

720
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: decision court came out and said, well, handguns are commonly

721
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Speaker 3: used for lawful purposes by United States citizens, and we

722
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Speaker 3: think that's the test. Handguns are the overwhelming favorite for

723
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: people to carry or possess or even having their home

724
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 3: for self protection. And self protection is part of the rights,

725
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: not all, of the motivation for their founders to have

726
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 3: passed the Second Amendment, because we know the reference to

727
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: necessary to the security of a free State refers to

728
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: the need to protect the citizenry to protect itself from

729
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 3: a trannical gun FN, but certainly personal security and protection

730
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: is part of that, as well as putting food on

731
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Speaker 3: the table, as part of the inherent right that the

732
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: founders were attempting to protect. And so there is a

733
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Speaker 3: right to self defense, There is a right to personal protection.

734
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Speaker 3: There is a right to defend your family and your home.

735
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Speaker 3: And that right extends to those arms commonly used for

736
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Speaker 3: lawful purposes in the United States, including those particular purposes,

737
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: and handguns fall within that definition or that scope. Okay,

738
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: that's great. We went on from there, and by the way,

739
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: they rejected the limitation to militia, they rejected the well

740
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: regulated part. How many anti gunners have you seen out

741
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 3: there on social media? Well, it says right there, well regulated.

742
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 3: That means lots of laws. That means highly regulated by

743
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: the government. And you can't oppose gun control laws when

744
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: that's what that's what well regulated means. Supreme Court addressed

745
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: that issue, said, no, well regulated, as used at the

746
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: time of the drafting of the Second Amendment, simply meant

747
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: well functioning, capable of its doing its job. With respect

748
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: to the local militia, it was being well trained and

749
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: well equipped. Well regulated had nothing to do with regulation

750
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Speaker 3: by the government. And wouldn't it be a ridiculous thing

751
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: for the Founders to do, to be listing personal liberties

752
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: that shall not be infringed by the government. That's what

753
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: the Bill of Rights was. That's what the Bill of

754
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: Rights is. It's a list of personal liberties that the

755
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 3: Founders thought so important part of the unalienable rights referenced

756
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 3: in a separate document, the Declaration of Independence. They wanted

757
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: to list them civically and say these shall be inviolate,

758
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 3: these shall not be infringed. And they listed them. And

759
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 3: wouldn't it be ridiculous for the same people who wanted

760
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: to list civil liberties that the government could not infringe

761
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: and use well regulated to mean regulated by the government.

762
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 3: It defeats the purpose, the specific publicly announced purpose, declared

763
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: purpose of the entire Bill of Rights as added to

764
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 3: the Constitution effect of seventeen ninety one. Here are a

765
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: bunch of rights that shall not be infringed by the government. Oh,

766
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: by the way, this particular right shall be well regulated

767
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: by the government. No, they meant just the opposite, and

768
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court dealt with that. So now let's bring

769
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Speaker 3: it back to the pending petition for Cerciarai just filed yesterday. Well,

770
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 3: not well regulated on high capacity magazines. Are they arms, Yes,

771
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: they're essential to the function of some of those popular firearms, rifles, pistols,

772
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: and shotguns in this country. Are they commonly used for

773
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: lawful purposes? Well, of course they are. Yes. There are

774
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 3: still people who carry revolvers. I know many of them,

775
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 3: and I respect them, and I understand the reasons why

776
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: they do so. But some automatics are by far the

777
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: most popular handguns for people to care. Some automatic rifles

778
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: the most popular rifles in America. Shotguns, Yes, I don't

779
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: know that I would put semi automatic shotguns necessarily at

780
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: the top of the list on most popular actions for

781
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: shotguns given over and unders and pump action shotguns and

782
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: side by sides, and a number of other actions employed

783
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: by chutgun manufacturers. But they're clearly commonly used. They don't

784
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: have to be at the top of the list. The

785
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: most popular, the most common just have to be commonly

786
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: used in shotguns as well. So yes, they're commonly used

787
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: for lawful purposes. Well that The only remaining issue then

788
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 3: comes out of the Bruin decision from twenty twenty two

789
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: and the test. There is a separate test and this

790
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: is is this really clarified? Heller to a large degree,

791
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: and gave us a new test to employ. Gave us

792
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: the test to employ. When I say us, I mean

793
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: the courts determining whether a particular gun control law is

794
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: constitutional or not out of the Second Amendment? What is

795
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: that test? How does that apply to high capacity magazines

796
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 3: or any of the other issues the Supreme Court is

797
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: being asked to take right now into the Second Amendment.

798
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 3: That's what we'll get into when we come back. Right now,

799
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 3: we're taking a break. We will continue to take your

800
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 3: calls as we have throughout the show. Three one seven

801
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 3: ninety three, ninety three three one seven, two nine three

802
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Speaker 3: ninety three. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

803
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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WYBC.

804
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

805
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: three WYPC in contry.

806
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

807
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. So the Bruin decision came

808
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: out twenty twenty two, I believe Supreme Court, and this

809
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 3: dealt with New York's restriction on the ability to carry

810
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: a handgun outside the home, and so the Court had

811
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: to address the issue okay, Well, Heller said, this's the

812
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: right to possess a handgun. What about carrying one for

813
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: your own protection outside the home? And then separately, how

814
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: do we decide what test do we apply? We know

815
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment is not limited to members of the military. Hey,

816
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: that's great, we knew that from Heller. We know that

817
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 3: commonly owned and possessed firearms or arms used for lawful

818
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: purposes are covered. Okay, But as to any additional restriction,

819
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: what's the test that should be employed? And courts all

820
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: around the country, especially those that were upholding gun control laws,

821
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: a lot of them, were using of sort of a

822
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 3: balancing test. They say, well, is there a compelling state

823
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: interest is involved, a compelling government interest in this gun

824
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: control law? And then what's the degree of infringement on

825
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 3: a core protection that is afforded by the Second Amendment?

826
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Speaker 3: And so, in other words, it was like, well, some

827
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: level of infringement is okay, and the level of infringement

828
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: is okay in particular cases, even a significant level of

829
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: infringement on a constitutional right is okay if there's an

830
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: important enough governmental interest involved. And I always hated that test.

831
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Speaker 3: I hated that test with a passion of a thousand sons,

832
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: because because it's anathetical what the founders were trying to do,

833
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: they didn't say the right shall not be infringed unless

834
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: the government really really wants to, or because the government

835
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:37,479
Speaker 3: thinks it's really really important, shall not be infringements, shall

836
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: not be infringed. And this balancing business, in my mind,

837
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: was always flawed. And any court, whether it was an

838
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: assault weapon band or any other gun control law, you

839
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 3: want to talk about high capacity magazine anything, courts could

840
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: always come out and say, oh, well, yeah, because of

841
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: this incredibly important governmental interest, because oh gosh, you know,

842
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: we're trying to keep the public safe. What more important

843
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: governmental interest is that therefore some level of infringement is

844
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: absolutely okay, even a very significant level infringement to some

845
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: degrade to the extent you have this really compelling governmental

846
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: interest to balance against. And so it was just a

847
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: recipe to uphold whatever gun control people wanted to pass,

848
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: especially in liberal jurisdictions. So I always hated that test,

849
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: and and thankfully the Supreme Court and the Brewin decision

850
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: rejected that completely. No, there is no there's no balancing.

851
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 3: We simply look at the text, history and tradition of

852
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 3: the Second Amendment. The text means, what's it saying. What

853
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: do the founders mean when they wrote it. That's text

854
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 3: and history and tradition, and there they say, we look

855
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: back to the time of the founding and to the

856
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 3: extent that the Bill of Rights also applies to the states.

857
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: That is, the states can't infringe your rights protected in

858
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: the Bill of Rights. That really came about through the

859
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 3: Fourteenth Amendment. The original Bill of Rights was really written

860
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: as a limitation on the federal government. So the state

861
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 3: of Indiana, for instance, could violate the rights set out

862
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: in the federal Bill of Rights all it wanted to,

863
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: right up until the Fourteenth Amendment passed. By the way,

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Speaker 3: That's why states passed their own constitutions. That's why Indiana has,

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Speaker 3: in the context of today's discussion, it has Article one,

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Speaker 3: Section thirty two. The people shall have the right to

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Speaker 3: bear arms for the protection of themselves and the state.

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Speaker 3: It is eloquent. I always say the same thing. It

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Speaker 3: is elegant in its simplicity, no discussion of militia, just

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Speaker 3: the people shall have the right to bear arms for

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Speaker 3: the protection of themselves in the state. Boom, there you go.

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Speaker 3: That's all we need. But what about the rights set

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Speaker 3: out in the Federal Bill of Rights. Well, those became

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Speaker 3: unquote incorporated. That's the term used to the states through

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Speaker 3: the Fourteenth Amendment, and it says exactly that doesn't use

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Speaker 3: the word incorporated. It says the states may not do

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Speaker 3: what the Bill of Rights prohibits the federal government from doing.

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Speaker 6: So.

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Speaker 3: The Brewing decision said, well, we should look to regulation

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Speaker 3: the time of the Founding and to some degree to

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Speaker 3: the time of the passing of the Fourteenth Amendment, which

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Speaker 3: I want to say was eighteen fifty six. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: somebody will google that for me and correct me if

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong. And unless there's a history and tradition, a

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Speaker 3: historical analog, that is that was accepted at the time

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Speaker 3: of the Founding as reasonable in terms of some kind

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Speaker 3: of a restriction on keeping in bearing arms. Unless it's

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Speaker 3: a historical analog, and it doesn't have to be an

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00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: exact match, that's been clarified case that actually upheld the

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Speaker 3: fact that people under a domestic violence order a protection

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Speaker 3: if they've been found to be a credible threat to

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Speaker 3: another person, they can be prohibited from possessing firearms. That's

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Speaker 3: what they were. Ahemi case a couple of years ago

894
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: came out and said but in that case, they said, listen,

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Speaker 3: we don't have to find the exact same law in place.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be an exact match, but it

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Speaker 3: has to It has to involve the same issues, It

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Speaker 3: has to have the same theme, it has to have

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Speaker 3: the same concept at its core as being dealt with

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Speaker 3: in the in the law in question and the challenge

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00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: to the constitutionality of the law in question. So we

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Speaker 3: need to find a historical analog or multiple historical analogs

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Speaker 3: to say that the current law is consistent with the

904
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Speaker 3: history and tradition and the regulation under the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 3: And so it's really interesting to read the cases that

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Speaker 3: have come down since Braun because they're history lessons and

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Speaker 3: they talk about what laws were in place in the States.

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Speaker 3: For instance, a lot of times you look to the

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Speaker 3: original thirteen States, what laws were in place at the

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Speaker 3: time of the ratification of the Second Amendment, that people thought,

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00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: governments thought, people who knew what rights were sought to

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Speaker 3: be protected by the Second Amendment, what regulations were thought

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Speaker 3: to be just fine. For instance, if you were a

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Speaker 3: particularly dangerous person or a dangerous criminal, a violent criminal.

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Speaker 3: Could you be disarmed? Well, history and tradition supports the

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Speaker 3: argument that you can out. A lot of people come out.

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Speaker 3: They quote the exact language of the Second Amendment and say,

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Speaker 3: hold on, unless you're in prison. If you're redeemed enough

919
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: to be released from prison, you ought to get all

920
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: your rights back. Problem you run into under the text,

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Speaker 3: history and tradition test, which, notwithstanding the words of the

922
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Speaker 3: Second Amendment, is the law of the land since the

923
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Speaker 3: Brewined decision says, if you can find historical analogs for

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Speaker 3: the idea that people who commit violent crimes should be

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Speaker 3: or maybe dispossessed of their firearms, then that's a supportable

926
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Speaker 3: law and it's likely to be found to be constitutional.

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Speaker 3: That's just like when the Rahimi case. This guy, interestingly enough,

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Speaker 3: and Rahimi again, he was under a domestic violence order

929
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Speaker 3: of protection and by all reports was a very bad

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Speaker 3: guy and had been violent with multiple women. There was

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Speaker 3: one report where he was he was shoving a woman

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Speaker 3: into her car in a parking lot and a bystander

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Speaker 3: protested and Rahimi took his gun out and shot it

934
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Speaker 3: in the air. But he was not convicted of any crime.

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Speaker 3: Arising from that, and he wasn't convicted of a crime

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Speaker 3: at the time that he was put under a domestic

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Speaker 3: violence order protection. But in order to have that domestic

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Speaker 3: violence order protection issued, a judge after a hearing had

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Speaker 3: to say, I find you to be a credible threat

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Speaker 3: to this woman. Therefore I'm granting the request for a

941
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Speaker 3: protective order. Supreme Court said, we can find historical analogs

942
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Speaker 3: to say someone who's found to be a credible threat

943
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Speaker 3: to another person can be disarmed legally and upheld the

944
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Speaker 3: law for that reason. So how does that test apply

945
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Speaker 3: to a whole bunch of cases. In the High Capacity

946
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Speaker 3: Magazine case, that is a text history and tradition test

947
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Speaker 3: or the people determined to be a credible threat test

948
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Speaker 3: not so much a test as that checks a box

949
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Speaker 3: to say yes that one passes muster under text, history

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Speaker 3: and tradition. How does that apply to a whole bunch

951
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Speaker 3: of these other cases the Supreme Court is being asked

952
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Speaker 3: to review. That becomes very interesting when you look at

953
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Speaker 3: the particular issues involved. That's what we'll go into when

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Speaker 3: we come back a little past bottom of the hour.

955
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Speaker 3: We're taking a break. There's this guy Ralford on the

956
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Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: He's the Second Amendment attorney, He's an NRA certified Firearms instructor.

958
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Speaker 1: He's the gun Guy. Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

959
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Speaker 3: Ed, welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guys

960
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. So, I love some of

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Speaker 3: the cases sprincourts being asked to look at in terms

962
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Speaker 3: of how they fit within the test to find by

963
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: the bruin Key decision. And let's look at high capacity

964
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Speaker 3: magazine bands again. Ten rounds are those commonly used for

965
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: lawful purposes? Absolutely? Is there a store analog? You think

966
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Speaker 3: at the time of the founding there were laws in

967
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Speaker 3: place where state legislatures or Congress up to that point,

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Speaker 3: Congress hadn't hadn't been formed all that long in terms

969
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: of its present four but look at the state legislatures,

970
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: you think it would have passed loss in the government

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Speaker 3: could pick some arbitrary limit on the amount of ammunition

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Speaker 3: you can carry your firearm. It makes no sense. But

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Speaker 3: it gets even more ridiculous in my mind when you

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Speaker 3: look at some of the other issues the Supreme Courts

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Speaker 3: being asked to take or will soon be asked to

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Speaker 3: take the prohibition against eighteen to twenty year olds being

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Speaker 3: able to buy firearms. In Florida, eighteen to twenty year olds, No,

978
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 3: you can't go in a gun store and buy a gun.

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Speaker 3: Federal law says you can't buy a handgun unless you're

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Speaker 3: twenty one, but you can buy long guns. Florida, though

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Speaker 3: after the Parkland shooting at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School

982
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Speaker 3: passed the law says you have to be twenty one

983
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Speaker 3: to buy a long gun, pistol or excuse me, a

984
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Speaker 3: rifle or a shotgun as well. That's being challenged Supreme

985
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: Courts being asked to take it. At the time of

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Speaker 3: the founding, there was early on a definition of militia.

987
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: It was people seventeen to forty five, able bodied men

988
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 3: seventeen to forty five. Today, the Indiana Constitution also talks

989
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: about a militia, talks to people seventeen plus who that's

990
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: who could just faint in a militia. And is there

991
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 3: some historical analog for a private citizen all the way

992
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 3: down or all the way up to twenty years old

993
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: not being able to possess a firearm, because if you

994
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 3: don't let them buy it. That's an infringement on your

995
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: right to possess it as well. You think it's a

996
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 3: historical analog for that, You think that's going to pass

997
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 3: mustered in the Supreme Court. This Supreme Court, I don't

998
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: see that coming. I predicted the Rahemi outcome. The Rahemi

999
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 3: outcome you could say when quote unquote against our Second

1000
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 3: Amendment rights. But I predicted it because Rahimi was such

1001
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 3: an incredibly bad guy and by all reports should have

1002
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: been convicted of multiple felonies long before the case ever

1003
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Speaker 3: went up to the Supreme Court, and should have been

1004
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 3: prohibited from possessing a firearm having been found to be

1005
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 3: a violent felon. But I predicted, based on the fact

1006
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 3: that he had been found to be a credible thread

1007
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 3: to a particular person, that the Rehimi decision was going

1008
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 3: to go that way. And that's exactly what it did.

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Speaker 3: But this Supreme Court, there Rahemi case not was standing.

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Speaker 3: I don't see them upholding a prohibition against eighteen to

1011
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: twenty year olds being able to buy a gun. You

1012
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 3: go in to the military at eighteen, but you're going

1013
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 3: you can't come home from being in harm's way in

1014
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: a foreign land carrying a select fire firearm, operating a tank,

1015
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 3: operating a drone, handing handling any number of other sophisticated

1016
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 3: weapons developed by this country and given to our our

1017
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Speaker 3: troops to carry in battle. And then you come home

1018
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Speaker 3: and you can't go in your local gun store and

1019
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Speaker 3: buy a shotgun. I don't see how in hell that

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Speaker 3: possibly passes muster one. That gets really more interesting in

1021
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: my mind. But I still think is a clear win.

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Speaker 3: And and and Amy Cony Barrett actually wrote a descending

1023
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Speaker 3: opinion when she was on the Seventh Circuit Court of

1024
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Speaker 3: Appeals on this issue. I mentioned violent felons, people convicted

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Speaker 3: a violent crime, determined beyond a reasonable doubt to have

1026
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Speaker 3: committed violent crimes. But yes, those past the text, history

1027
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Speaker 3: and tradition test. What about a non violent felony. What

1028
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 3: if you have and this is the case, what if

1029
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 3: you have a felony on your record because you lied

1030
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Speaker 3: on your application for food stamps. If there's a nonviolent crime,

1031
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Speaker 3: that's got to be it. I have a client where

1032
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Speaker 3: we're looking to challenge this exact issue. He ended up

1033
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Speaker 3: pleading to a felony for what amounted to bank fraud,

1034
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Speaker 3: very similar to what President Trump was convicted of. That is,

1035
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Speaker 3: he was accused of misrepresenting assets to obtain a loan.

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Speaker 3: Incredibly nonviolent, about as non violent as it gets. When

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Speaker 3: we come back from this break, let's discuss the federal laws.

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Speaker 3: Is of the Gun Control Act of nineteen sixty eight

1039
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Speaker 3: as amended by the Brady Bill in nineteen ninety four,

1040
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Speaker 3: that if you have any felony conviction that is a

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Speaker 3: crime punishable by more than one year in prison, not

1042
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 3: that you've got a year in prison, that the maximum

1043
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Speaker 3: penalty for that particular crime is over a year in prison,

1044
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Speaker 3: which is what most states call a felony. If you

1045
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 3: have any felony, including nonviolent, federal law says you cannot

1046
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Speaker 3: possess viral How does that do? That law part of

1047
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Speaker 3: the Brady Bill and therefore part of the Gun Control

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Speaker 3: Act in nineteen ninety area sixty eight. How does that

1049
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Speaker 3: hold up under text, history and tradition. That's all we'll

1050
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Speaker 3: go into while we wrap up this edition of The

1051
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Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show here on ninety three WIBC.

1052
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Speaker 1: Second to none on this second amendment. This is The

1053
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Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to the final segment here on ninety

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Speaker 3: three WIBC this edition of The Gun Guy Show, so

1056
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Speaker 3: nonviolent felons. Here's where I think the Raheemy case actually

1057
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Speaker 3: is a bit of a benefit. The Rahimi case certainly

1058
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Speaker 3: does not say that only if you've been determined to

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Speaker 3: be a credible threat against another person can your rights

1060
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Speaker 3: be stripped from you under the Second Amendment. Doesn't say

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Speaker 3: that in this particular case, because Raheemi had been determined

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Speaker 3: to be a credible threat. They said, as to him

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Speaker 3: and generally for people in his circumstance, the law is constitutional.

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Speaker 3: That is, you can't possess a gun if you're under

1065
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Speaker 3: domestic violence order protection. But in doing so, they went

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Speaker 3: through this historical analysis, and they talked a lot about

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Speaker 3: how the text, not only the text, but the history

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Speaker 3: and tradition of regulation under the Second Amendment really focused

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Speaker 3: on people that were dangerous, people that were a threat

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Speaker 3: to the physical safety of others, people that were a

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Speaker 3: threat to society in a violent context. And while the

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Speaker 3: decision certainly doesn't say that you have to be determined

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Speaker 3: to be a threat to someone else, it supports the argument,

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Speaker 3: in my mind, by inference or otherwise that where you've

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Speaker 3: not done anything that was in any way violent, which

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Speaker 3: you haven't even threatened violence.

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Speaker 1: You you.

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Speaker 3: You entered a transaction in a way that was found

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Speaker 3: to violate the law. Yes, you lied on your application

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Speaker 3: for food stamps. Okay, you pled guilty to having exaggerated

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Speaker 3: your assets to get a loan. How does that make

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Speaker 3: you violent? It doesn't make you violent. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: what interests does society have is tripping you of your

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Speaker 3: ability to protect yourself and your family? Does that keep

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Speaker 3: society safer when you've not done anything violent? You've not

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Speaker 3: done anything violent period, much less something violent with a gun?

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Speaker 3: What interest does society have? And say, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: the maximum penalty for that particular crime for lying on

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Speaker 3: your food stamp application is over a year. So gosh,

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Speaker 3: society is a better place by stripping you of your

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Speaker 3: Second Amendment rights, by depriving you of the ability to

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Speaker 3: possess a fire arm. There's no larger, not logical argument

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Speaker 3: to support that. And if you sent a poll out there,

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Speaker 3: and this is what you'll hear from the anti gunners

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Speaker 3: when when this case is pending before the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 3: and I hope that's sooner than later, you'll hear you know,

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Speaker 3: there was a poll conducted by MSNBC. I'm just making

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Speaker 3: this up. This is hypothetical that asked as as ask

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Speaker 3: our viewers, should felons be allowed to possess firearms? And

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Speaker 3: it was seventy six percent, no, eighty two percent with

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Speaker 3: some high percentage. That's because you're asking the question the

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Speaker 3: wrong way. Should people convicted of nonviolent crimes that had

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Speaker 3: no violent component to them whatsoever, no violence component whatsoever,

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Speaker 3: be stripped of their Second Amendment freedom? That's the question,

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Speaker 3: and that question, in my mind, under the text, history

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Speaker 3: and tradition of regulation going back to the time of

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Speaker 3: the founding or eighteen sixty eight as I was corrected,

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Speaker 3: means that doesn't pass muster. That's it for this week's show.

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Speaker 3: Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you come back and remember

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Speaker 3: always shoot straight and all to be safe.