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Speaker 2: So first and foremost, I wish we had the ability

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Speaker 1: It went from Indiana hasn't played anybody, to Indiana has

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Speaker 1: can give you some decent minutes, you know, in critical moments,

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00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: but it is not the first that you would lean on.

434
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: But there's enough there to say, Okay, let's roll with it.

435
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: But I don't know that we are ever going to

436
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: see a like solid starting piece out of this player.

437
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: Who am I talking about?

438
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: I believe you would be talking about Jeris Walker.

439
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: That is correct. I thought yesterday someone said this best

440
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: to me. Someone said to me, Jeris Walker is like

441
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: the C plus student that has the highest IQ in

442
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: the class. And that is not to say that that

443
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: means that Jeris Walker is a slacker, which in that

444
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 1: case someone would be if they're a C plus student

445
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: with a high IQ, but rather simply to say, all

446
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: of the physical gifts appear to be there and you

447
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: just keep waiting for it to all come together, and

448
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: he has shown it and flashes. But I think Jerris

449
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Walker is kind of a unique spot because he you

450
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: have seen enough to know that there can be contribution there,

451
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: but I don't see that. I don't know that you've

452
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: seen it regularly enough or transcendentally enough for there to

453
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: be a huge trade value for him. I don't know

454
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: what the intrigue would be for other teams, but I

455
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: do think that he is a guy that you can say, Okay,

456
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: you know you want to keep him through at least

457
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: his rookie deal, and then you know, maybe extend for

458
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: a year or something to see if something develops. Five.

459
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: I still think it's a fascinating point with Jimmy's because

460
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: he's still twenty two years old.

461
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: I know, he's still a young guy.

462
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: I know, and it's something that I've brought up with

463
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: Tony East a couple of times here and then on

464
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: his podcast as well, when he's been so gracious to

465
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: ask me to come on. Is the fact that there

466
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: hasn't really been a stability around Jemes Walker to the

467
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: point where we know what kind of position he's best

468
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 2: suited for. I understand that they may have envisioned him

469
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: in like this Draymond Green type of role where you

470
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: can have him be a ball handler, you can have

471
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: him be an initiator of the offense as an extra

472
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: ball handler out there. But you've asked him to do

473
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: so much so far in his first three seasons in

474
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: the NBA that I don't know if you still have

475
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: a full grasp on where he is best suited and

476
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: who he's best suited to play next to. Like he's

477
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: had a good stretcher of lately, being able to shoot

478
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: the ball. That's been one of his biggest issues this

479
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: season is just the consistency is shooting.

480
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: But consistency is the key here, yea right or lack

481
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: their up? Okay, Player number two a player that is

482
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: tricky because he is someone that you could utilize to

483
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: flip for more pieces. But you wonder now what exactly

484
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: you would get in return? That is I believe that

485
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: would be been a thing mathering correct. And here is

486
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: the bad analogy that I can come up with for this, Okay,

487
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: And I know it's a bad analogy and I don't

488
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: know that. Thank you for the bad analogies out I said,

489
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: fella playing the vacuum fish for the fish. Okay, Eddie,

490
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: I may have asked you this the other day. And

491
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: if I did, I apologize if I'm being redundant. Do

492
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: you like rum?

493
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Not not alone? It's got to be mixed with other

494
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: liquor from me?

495
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: Like it? Like what give me a drink that you

496
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: would put rum? In a long island? Okay? And and

497
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: so rum's fine, right, I mean, you know, like a

498
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: coconut rum. You know it's fine. People enjoy it. It's good.

499
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: But Benedict Matherin is rum rum is really good. And

500
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: rum can do a lot of different things. You can

501
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: put it a pina Colada. It's great. You can put

502
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: it in you know, you can drink it on the rack,

503
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, drink it cold. It's great. I mean, rum

504
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: is I think a lot of people like rum really

505
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: good and it can do a lot of different things

506
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: for you. But the Pacers' offense is an old fashion.

507
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: It requires different ingredients. And rum is wonderful and old

508
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: fashions are wonderful, but they don't really mix. You don't

509
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: put rum in an old fashion, at least I don't

510
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: think you do. And that's simply my point. I think Matherin,

511
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: we have seen, is a talented player and there is

512
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: a place for him within the offense. On nights when

513
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: the Halli Burton led offense of the high three point

514
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: area weave isn't going for them, then Matherin becomes valuable

515
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: because he is an isolation, knows down, get to the basket,

516
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: get out of my way, guy. But those circumstances are

517
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: situations are few and far between. And then this year

518
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: when you looked at it and said, okay, we're going

519
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: to see if this is the year that he truly

520
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: emerges and develops, and in the words of Rick Carr,

521
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: has a golden opportunity before him, But is he taking

522
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: advantage of that golden opportunity and if he isn't, which

523
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: I think at this point, and part of it is

524
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: the injury. Part of it is the injury. And I

525
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: think maybe even part of why they are super sensitive

526
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: and delicate about the tow injury is if he is

527
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: not playing at a high level, then there has to

528
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: be a reason for it, if you're trying to still

529
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: maintain his trade value. The other thing that I worry about,

530
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: and I know this is me overthinking it. I worry

531
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: about whether or not mather In being out is when

532
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: the Pacers finally started to come together and play well.

533
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: If teams don't look at that and thus say I

534
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: don't know, But then again, I think they would realize

535
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: that there are teams that really enjoyed the drinks that

536
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: Rum have and they could use a good bottle of rum.

537
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: The Pacers just decided to go with old fashions in

538
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: Manhattan's Okay, player number three. This player is like the

539
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: found ten dollar bill. When you're doing your laundry, You're like,

540
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: oh wow, I really thought this was someone that was

541
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: just here to round out the roster, And yet there's

542
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: a skill set there that's a little bit intriguing that

543
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: I think may have this player be around when Haliburton's

544
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: back and you've got a lottery pick or whatever it

545
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: might be, and you really are you know, I mean

546
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: a tenth or eleventh guy and not a significant player,

547
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: but a solid piece if called upon for a twelve

548
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: to fifteen minute stretch in meaningful games. That player is

549
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: Michael Ponter. That is exactly correct. You are three for three.

550
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: You know. He his ability number one to acclimate to

551
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: the way that they want to play. But he can shoot,

552
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: and he's pretty active. Bigger than he is around the basket.

553
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: He plays taller than he is. He's more active than

554
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: you would imagine, and he's a good passer too. Out

555
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: he is, he can do a lot of different things

556
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: for them. I mean none of them outstanding, right, but

557
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean like really good in a lot of areas.

558
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: And again, when you're fully healthy, a ten twelve to

559
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: fifteen minute per night guy that gives you quality minutes

560
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: and you're not losing a lot while getting somebody a breather. Okay.

561
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Player number four, a guy that we I think can

562
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: now see is the one player that has taken advantage

563
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: this year of opportunity in minutes and increased and improved

564
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: as the season has gone on, and is really to

565
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: a good side taking advantage of the opportunity that would

566
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: be I.

567
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: Think your friends in Australia are happy that I'm mentioning

568
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: Johnny Furphy for this category. Okay, not bad because I

569
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: think the player that you're going to say, I will.

570
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: Push back on. Okay, who do you think I'm going

571
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: to say? Jay Huff? Correct? I would push back just

572
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: a little. Okay, in what way?

573
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: There hasn't been a level of consistency there for me

574
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: to put him in the player that's taken advantage of

575
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 2: his opportunity.

576
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: But I don't disagree except for this Jay Huff. As

577
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: I mentioned yesterday, he hits the first two threes he

578
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: takes in every game. He's now a stylist dunker, and

579
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: he's a good rim protector. But what I'm getting at,

580
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: Idie is you have to temper what his role would be.

581
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you that he is not a

582
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: starting center night in and night out forty you know,

583
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes per game. But when you realistically look

584
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: at and I do anticipate this being the case. I

585
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: think you use Matherin to trade for a starting center.

586
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: It is my belief that when Tyrese Haliburton is healthy

587
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: and Pascal Siakam is, you know, towards the end of

588
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: his deal, and niece Nemhart, when everyone's healthy and on

589
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: board and Obi topping as well, that we forget about

590
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: when everybody's back next year and healthy. It is my

591
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: belief that whoever starts at center for them and is

592
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: their main starting center is not on the roster currently.

593
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: So Jay Huff has shown to me, when you didn't

594
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: know because he had limited minutes in Memphis, what exactly

595
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: his skill set was. I think he has shown that

596
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: he is going to be a very reliable spot fill

597
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: in center, but backup center for twenty to twenty two

598
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: minutes per night, and very capable of may And most importantly,

599
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to alter the system that you're playing

600
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: if you get somebody that plays a Miles Turner type style,

601
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: Huff can play that exact thing where you are able

602
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: to then play the same system when he comes in.

603
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: Is he to the minutes that he's getting right now?

604
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: Long term? Perhaps not, but he has at least shown

605
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: that you know what this guy is, somebody that is

606
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: going to be a good piece for them, and you

607
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: didn't know what you were going to get out of

608
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: him coming into the year. Now there's one other player

609
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: that will round us out with with this Eddie, I

610
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: think you'll agree with me on this. This one is

611
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: the and Johnny Furfey. I agree. They like Johnny Furfey

612
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot. They like his quick release, they like his defense,

613
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and he's twenty years old. He hasn't got a lot

614
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: of opportunity, but I think they know what's there one

615
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: other player and that is the aggressive rebounder. He is,

616
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: He's an underrated rebounder. The last player would be the

617
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: one that kind of easy to have forgotten about this

618
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: player partially because it's like what happened to him and

619
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: seems to have really just kind of fallen out of

620
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: confidence and gets a lot of minutes, but it feels

621
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: like empty minutes. Who is that for empty minutes? I mean,

622
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: just goes out and there is something this player brings

623
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: to the table which is not a stat line contribution admittedly,

624
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: but it seems as though the secondary area where this

625
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: player was a contributor seems to have gone away. That'd

626
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: be Ben Shepard. Correct. Yeah, still a good defender, but man,

627
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: he's got to become a more reliable outside shooter. Oh yeah,

628
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: uh huh. I agree. I have a question about the

629
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: transfer portal, and notably it kind of relates to Indiana.

630
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: We also have some college breaking news to get to

631
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: on the other side as well.

632
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: Jane, all right, we'll do it next. Love this song

633
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: my all time favorite. Okay, Eddie, you had mentioned before

634
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: we get into transfer portal talk, you had mentioned that

635
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: we have breaking news in the world of college football.

636
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Go ahead, hit the sound or form.

637
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: This justint just does not apply to I guess it

638
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 2: does apply to college football specifically. This is from David

639
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: Ubben of The Athletic. He covers college athletics specifically. He's

640
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: a national college football writer for them. The FBA head

641
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: coaches voted unanimously to expand the eligibility for red shirt

642
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: years from four games to nine. Now, this is just

643
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: a recommendation that will be put forth to the Division

644
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: one committees. But Jake, if this happens, I think this

645
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: is absolutely ridiculous.

646
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: Okay, So what you're saying is put this in language

647
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: I can understand you're saying that a player can play

648
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: up to nine games and then be held out in

649
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: red shirt and get another year back.

650
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Speaker 2: Yes, they can play up to nine games and still

651
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: be eligible for a red shirt.

652
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Speaker 1: Okay. Now along those lines of kind of the wild

653
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: wild West of navigating all of this new area, Okay,

654
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: you know it's I was thinking about this. Fernando Mendoza

655
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: went to Christopher Columbus High School, so too did his father,

656
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: so did Mario Christabaal, the head coach of Miami. And

657
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: it's almost fitting that Fernanda Mendoza went to Christopher Columbus

658
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: High School because in reality, Kurt Signetti is riding with

659
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza into this new world of college football, right

660
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: and Indiana is taking advantage of it better than anybody.

661
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: And I'm here for it, don't get me wrong. As

662
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, dare I say it, Eddie, I'll

663
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: show you. I mean, when it comes to the school

664
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Speaker 1: that's going to take advantage of all this and navigated stripping.

665
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm just opening up my sweatshirt to show you why

666
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: not Indiana? That is the reality, right, Indiana. As I've

667
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: talked about a lot, with all of the transfer portal

668
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: and nil and all of that was ahead of the

669
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: curve on everybody, and they basically caught everybody napping.

670
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going to be like your

671
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: old co host in Go Shirtless.

672
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: No, No. Kevin Boonen did that once and brought in

673
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: donuts and I couldn't need the donut as a result. Now,

674
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: when it comes to the transfer portal, and here's where

675
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: my question comes, it is worked to Indiana's advantage. One

676
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: of the things that Kurt Signetti did brilliantly and it

677
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: was a it's a very underrated aspect of all of this.

678
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Speaker 1: I talked to somebody yesterday that played basketball Indiana and

679
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: they said, you know, Jake, when I arrived on campus

680
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: to play for Bob Knight, the most important aspect of

681
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: my arrival was and they mentioned three guys Jeff Oliphant,

682
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Speaker 1: Eric Anderson, Jamal Meeks. Those three guys, he said, were

683
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Speaker 1: so invaluable in telling those of us that were coming in. Okay,

684
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: this is what to expect. This is the culture here,

685
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: this is the expectation here. This is how you read

686
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: coach Knight's mood. This is how you know coming into

687
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: a practice, whether we're going to get kicked out of

688
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: practice that day, or it's going to be a light day,

689
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. And you learn as the year

690
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: goes on, you kind of figured out the method to

691
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: the madness. But you needed those guys that had been

692
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: in the culture, in the system, in the locker room

693
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: to tell the other the younger players, hey, get on

694
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: board here right, this is how it's going to be.

695
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Speaker 1: And Kurt Signetti in coming to Indiana bringing with him

696
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Speaker 1: the players from and from JMU, you know, Surrat and

697
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: Fisher and Ponds. The guys that came in that are

698
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: able to say in black the running back, you know,

699
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: they're they're able to say, Okay, we are coming here,

700
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: and we know what coach wants, we know what coach's

701
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: expectation is, we know coach's demeanor. And that's been invaluable

702
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: for the rest of the Indiana program because Kurt Signetti

703
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: came in and knew that it needed a complete attitude adjustment,

704
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: a complete culture change, so he had guys with him.

705
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Speaker 1: It's one thing to come in and say we're going

706
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: to change everything around here, but it's another to say

707
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: we're going to change everything around here and then have

708
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Speaker 1: a group of guys standing right behind you that say,

709
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: and we can tell you that it will work because

710
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: let's let me tell you about what we accomplished already.

711
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: And so that's been invaluable. And they used the Indiana

712
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: used the portal in an expert sense in all facets,

713
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: and they have a veteran team. But now here's my question.

714
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: The situation we have that is very unique. Brock Shot,

715
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: brock Shot. Okay, if the name rings a bellots because

716
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: he's from Indiana, Leon, we'll say watch Shot. Sorry, no,

717
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: we celebrated that a couple of weeks ago. We love celebrating,

718
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we love talking about the relevance of Indiana

719
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: basketball by celebrating a regular season game victory over a

720
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: team later went on to win the national championship. But

721
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: Brockshot is a tight end.

722
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 2: By the way, saw big Sexy when I was down there,

723
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: very nice guy.

724
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Cody Zello was down there, right, Yeah, big

725
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: handsome too, right? Didn't he go by both names?

726
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, big handsome, big sexy.

727
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: Whatever. I'm glad that he goes by Big Hanson. And

728
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: you took it to the next level. That's cool. So

729
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: brock Shot is a tight end. At Leo High School

730
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: and played at Miami. Out of high school, committed to Miami,

731
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: went down to Coral Gables, played for the Hurricanes. Announced

732
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: this year at the end of the regular season that

733
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: he was entering the transfer portal and decided to come home.

734
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: Decided to come home to Indiana. This is what is

735
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: peculiar to me. I would think this has to be explored. Yes,

736
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: it is a unique and incredibly rare circumstance. But you

737
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: have a national championship game now, and Brockshot is already

738
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: involved with the Indiana football program. He transferred at semester break.

739
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: He was immediately eligible to be within the program in Indiana.

740
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: He's not playing in the game, but he's within the

741
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: program in Indiana and is actively part of the Indiana

742
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: football program playing against the team that theoretically he was

743
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: practicing with and knows the cadence, the playbook, the play calls,

744
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: the lineups, the formations, all of it from Miami from

745
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: when he was there a month ago. Yep, does it

746
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: not seem and listen I am, I like, I'm not

747
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: trying to put poo Indiana at all, and I'm here

748
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: for it. But at the same time, should there not

749
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: be some sort of regulation of that of what's that.

750
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Speaker 2: The calendar needs to change.

751
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the calendar needs change, is correct.

752
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 2: The calendar needs to change.

753
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 1: Because not only that, but Indiana going to the Rose

754
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: Bowl in winning and then immediately getting on a plane

755
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: because they're like, we got to come home because we've

756
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: got recruits in the transfer portal that are probably brock

757
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: shot one of them. That are we going to be

758
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: on campus as soon as we land? Yeah, the Hoover

759
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: being the other one, that's right. And then you've got

760
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: Alberta Mendoza. You got to wonder what.

761
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: His future is, right, Yeah, you heard what Sean McDonald

762
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: said on that telecast on Friday Night, right that he

763
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: was wondering if, like for the Mendozas would be upset

764
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: or if Alberta would.

765
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Speaker 1: Be upset about it. Well, they looked upset, not I mean,

766
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: not like angry upset, but disappointed. It looked at one point,

767
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm curious if I'm the only one that noticed this.

768
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Someone texts me if you notice this, five three nine

769
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Speaker 1: eighty eight my cell phone number. Am I the only

770
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: one that noticed that? Late in that game, they show

771
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: od Mendoza's parents and it looked like they were like

772
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: getting a second wind of excitement once the game was

773
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: well at hand, because they were fairly again body language here,

774
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: but it looked like they were anticipating and getting excited

775
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: for Alberta Mendoza to also come in the game. And

776
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: then when Fernanda Mendoza ran back out on the field,

777
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: they showed a camera shot and his parents looked disappointed

778
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: slash frustrated. Now that obviously went away with the euphoria

779
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: of the win and everything else. I get it.

780
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: I was not one of these people, but there was

781
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: a contingent of who's your fans up in the three

782
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: hundred level at least yelling for Alberto to come in.

783
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot were because there was definitely an

784
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: element of why put this at risk? Yep, why? But

785
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm curious if anybody else noticed. Did anybody else notice

786
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: that it looked like his parents were disappointed in that moment?

787
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: Or am I the only one that I make that up

788
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: in my mind? We can discuss this later.

789
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: I have a question for you, Jake, but is what

790
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: you could do on Monday night by winning the national championship?

791
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: Could it actually be bad for college football?

792
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: Fair? I see where you're going with that. Steven Holder

793
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: can give us perspective and we'll get into that. Steven

794
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: Holder can give us perspective on the Miami side of

795
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: things because he's a graduate of the U, he knows

796
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: football and he knows Miami. We'll talk to him about

797
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: that and more. Next, Pacers and Raptors Tomorrow night seven

798
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: o'clock pregame can be heard six thirty. It's the Pelicans

799
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: on Friday at the field House in the battle for

800
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Speaker 1: the worst record in the league. Steven Holder, who was

801
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,880
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Speaker 1: Java House dot com. Steven, I'm going to begin before

812
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: we get to colts with Miami Indiana breakdown? Is that fair? Yeah?

813
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: Let's go Okay, So you are a graduate of the

814
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: University of Miami. You obviously know football as a football

815
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: writer for ESPN dot Com. I would assume that you

816
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: actively follow the Hurricanes probably each game this season. Fair assessment,

817
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,479
Speaker 1: I have, Yes, Okay, So for this particular matchup, let's

818
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: begin with this. Miami's strength, or the thing that Miami

819
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: does and in particular in the playoffs better than other

820
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: teams that has put them to this point would be what.

821
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Speaker 4: So I think this showed up more than anything in

822
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 4: the the Ohio State game. If anybody watch that game,

823
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: you will probably recall that Miami just they just dominated offensively,

824
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 4: in particular at the line of scrimmage. They have this

825
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 4: power run game that I think is their biggest potential

826
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 4: edge against Indiana because Indiana doesn't have weaknesses. And that's

827
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Speaker 4: the problem with playing them, right, how do you attack

828
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Speaker 4: this team that does everything so well, or at least

829
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Speaker 4: at a at a decent level. You know, I don't

830
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 4: know that they do anything poor league where you would say,

831
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 4: all right, well that's where we got them. So, but

832
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Speaker 4: I do think Miami has you know, an extremely formidable

833
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 4: offensive line, they have very physical running backs, and they

834
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Speaker 4: can play a game that no one in college really

835
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: plays anymore, you know, college football is a spread offense,

836
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 4: you know, playing above the rim sort of game now,

837
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 4: and they play a very or a can at times

838
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 4: play a very old school brand of football offensively that

839
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 4: has been very effective, and I think that's their go

840
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 4: to right.

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Speaker 1: Here, do you in the time that you know Mario Cristobal,

842
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: the head coach at Miami, is is this style that

843
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: you're talking about from Miami aggression in the trenches right,

844
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: like punch you in the mouth kind of play? Has

845
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: that been Crystal Ball's mo o? Or is he adjusting

846
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: to the personnel that he has been able to acquire

847
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: so he likes this.

848
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Speaker 4: I really do think that he prefers to play this style.

849
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 4: In fact, it's interesting because I think they almost leaned

850
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: too much into it earlier in the season, and I

851
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 4: think it impacted them in those couple of losses they had,

852
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 4: at least the SMU game in particular, because I thought

853
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: they needed to open things up more offensively, right, and

854
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 4: to be more aggressive offensively because they do have makers

855
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: on the outside as well. You know, none more well

856
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 4: known than than Malachai Tony, the you know, superb freshman

857
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: wide receiver, and I actually thought they needed to actually

858
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: utilize that more. And so down the stretch when you

859
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 4: saw Miami scoring thirty five to forty points in those

860
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 4: games at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: They were doing that.

862
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: They were throwing the ball down the field more, throwing

863
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: it more generally in general.

864
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: And I thought that was good. But I think when.

865
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 4: You get to the playoffs and depending on your matchups

866
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: and who you're playing and what your strengths and weaknesses are,

867
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 4: this has now come back full circle and this plays

868
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 4: right into Mario crystal Ball's hands. I mean he is

869
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 4: he is a former offensive lineman. He played with those

870
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 4: teams back in the day, the Jimmy Johnson teams that

871
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 4: you know, while we might think of Michael Irvin and

872
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and things like that, I mean, they were a physical,

873
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 4: physical football team and that's his brand of ball. So

874
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 4: I love it. It's very old school and I don't

875
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 4: mind it at all.

876
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Miami's area of susceptibility or vulnerability would be ware.

877
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 4: Playing stupid. They make a lot of mistakes, or at

878
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: least they they can't. They They sometimes get out of character,

879
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 4: and they will, they will just you know, do undisciplined things.

880
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: They will.

881
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 4: They will have you know, sort of late hits or

882
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 4: you know, just undisciplined stuff. And it's not it's not

883
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 4: an epidemic or anything. It's not the nineteen nineties Canes.

884
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 4: You know who who did that, who did that repeatedly.

885
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: But but they do have they do have to be

886
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: on guard for that because I just think in the end,

887
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 4: is the kind of team you do that, and you're

888
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 4: serving the game up on a platter for them, So

889
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: I just they have to be extremely disciplined, mistake free,

890
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 4: and you just got to play clean.

891
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: You just got to.

892
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 4: And this ties back into the first point, right of

893
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: that power football and power run games that they have.

894
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 4: I think the benefit of that, if they can find

895
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: success doing it, is that you keep the ball away

896
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 4: from freaking Mendoza because you don't want that guy with

897
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 4: the ball in his hands. And so that also ties

898
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 4: into this other point of playing discipline and not getting

899
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 4: behind the sticks offensively long down the distance. If you

900
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 4: do that, which they did at times in the Old

901
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 4: Miss game, they got in long down the distance situations

902
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: and then they can't necessarily rely on that big, heavy

903
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: run game. Then you have to sit back and throw

904
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 4: the ball and hold the ball in the pocket to

905
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 4: throw down the field, and you open yourself up to

906
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 4: that defense. So anyway, that's kind of where I think

907
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 4: I would look at Miami and say, like, if they do.

908
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: That, they lose. Steven Holder is my guest ESPN dot

909
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: com of course where you read his work. He is

910
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: on the Java House peeling poor guest line Steve, And

911
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: I know you had told me you're going to the game,

912
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: correct I am? I am? Sokay, I don't. I don't

913
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: put on my fan hat very often, but this is

914
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: one of those rare times. Okay, now let me ask

915
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: you this because because we're gonna play a little game here,

916
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna you like money, right, you a

917
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: fan of money? It's it's it's okay, yeah, okay, money.

918
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: Money is a good thing. So I'm gonna make you

919
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: some money here. Okay. You have how you're going with

920
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: how many buddies? How many people? Uh? With two others?

921
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: So three of you total, and you're sitting in roughly

922
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: what the one levels the three levels? Where are we

923
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: sitting here.

924
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: We're we we are not in the chief seats, we're

925
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 4: in the good seats. We you know, it helps to

926
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 4: know people. Ill just leave it at that. I were

927
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 4: we're in the uh I think we're down there in

928
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 4: the corner on the first level end zone, sort of

929
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: in the corner there right by the tunnels.

930
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I'm looking right here, UH tickets right

931
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: now in that section. Okay, you could sell your tickets

932
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: right now. If you're in section one twenty nine, they're

933
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: going for fifty five hundred apiece. If you're in section

934
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: one twenty two on the other side of the tunnels,

935
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: you're looking at sixty four hundred. So based on that,

936
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: you're looking at nineteen two hundred bucks to sell your

937
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: three tickets. I mean, what the hell? Why would you

938
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: why not sell? Sell it? Stop at Denny's, get something

939
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: to eat, drive home, and then count your cash, buddy.

940
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, you're talking about paying the mortgage

941
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: for damn the other year, right right. That sounds pretty appealing.

942
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 4: Now when you put it that way, I mean, it's indicated.

943
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: I'll leave it at that way. It's definitely definitely you

944
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 4: make you make good points. Points were definitely made.

945
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll put it you this way, truth serum. Here

946
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: you ready, you're walking in. This happened to Buddy Mine

947
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals in two thousand Pacers Lakers. Buddy

948
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: of Mine's walking in. This is twenty five years ago,

949
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: mind you Okay, He and his dad are walking in.

950
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: A guy stops him right there and goes and he

951
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: was from LA and says, I've got ten grand cash

952
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: right now, and I will pay you for your two

953
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: tickets right here. That's back when you have paper tickets

954
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: and everything else. Oh youay, this is back in the

955
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: ticket scalp for days. Correct. So you're walking in and

956
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: a guy stops you and says you got three tickets

957
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: and you go yeah, And he says, listen, I got

958
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: my ticket Master app right here or whatever you know app,

959
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: so you can transfer me the tickets from your phone

960
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: to my phone right now. And I've got sitting right

961
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: here eighteen thousand dollars in cash in my pocket. Do

962
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: you do it?

963
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 4: I think I lean toward doing it. My friends would

964
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 4: have to make their own decision. I decide for my ticket.

965
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: I would have to decide on theirs. Since i'm you.

966
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: Know, it's pretty tempting mold.

967
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 4: Dated tickets, so they'll have to they'll have to decide.

968
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's like playing roulette, though, because if your

969
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: team wins and you're not there, you'd be like, oh man,

970
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: I would have been given anything to be in that stadium.

971
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, right, right? No, I get it.

972
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: It's funny because I know this.

973
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: Is awful to say, right, this is awful to say.

974
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: I I think when you do when you're in our

975
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: line of work, and you know this as well as

976
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: I do, right when you're in our lineup work. And

977
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 4: we had this conversation I think at the Pacers game

978
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 4: last night, right, like we we so rarely get excited

979
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: about going to a game.

980
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. I love my job, like I really.

981
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: Love my job, Okay, Like I am lucky as hell

982
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 4: to do what I do. However, when I roll up

983
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 4: to Lucasol Stadium on Sunday, I'm not like bouncing off

984
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 4: the walls like I can't wait for this game because

985
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 4: I'm going to work, man, you know what I mean? Like, right,

986
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 4: And I work hard, and I and I care about

987
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 4: what I do and I and I'm glad that the

988
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 4: fans care a lot, because if they didn't care, then

989
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 4: what the hell the purpose do I serve?

990
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: Right? But it is a very interesting thing.

991
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 4: So, like, I know, I have friends who would be like,

992
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 4: you're crazy, are you on crack?

993
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: You would do that? And I'm like, whoa, hear me out?

994
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,919
Speaker 1: And I just you know, I can't.

995
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 4: I guess I can't relate because I have been so

996
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 4: divorced from the emotions of caring about a game.

997
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, which is why, you know, Steven listen, It's

998
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: like I said last year when the Pacers went to

999
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: the finals, it has been so long, you know. We yeah,

1000
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: and I and I say this with all respect to

1001
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: the people listening to the show. You know, you do

1002
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: get a little bit cynical. And I guess the better

1003
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: way of saying it is that sports becomes a little

1004
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: more antiseptic when you do it for when you cover

1005
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: it for a living, because it does it does mute

1006
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: your fandom. And so that's why I will always be

1007
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: so grateful for that Pacers run, because it brought out

1008
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: for me a euphoria of sport that I had not

1009
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: allowed myself to enjoy for a long time. And it

1010
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: was nice to go back to that now. I love that.

1011
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: That's a that's a great way of putting it. It

1012
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 4: does become antiseptic. And I would say this the last

1013
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 4: full the last couple of Miami games, I've watched them

1014
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: on TV. Some of these same friends I'm going with,

1015
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: they actually attended the last couple of rounds, the Cotton

1016
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: Bowl and Fiesta Bowl, and I was I mean, I

1017
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 4: was invited, but I, you know, the Colts being the Colts,

1018
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was.

1019
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: Going to happen, and you know whatever, Oh you knew,

1020
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: I did know.

1021
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 4: I actually did know. I knew they weren't getting fired.

1022
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 4: But I also was like, if there's a one percent

1023
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 4: chance and I'm not around, that's gonna be my ass, right.

1024
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 4: So anyhow, I resisted the urge and I didn't go,

1025
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: and I watched on TV on the edge of my seat,

1026
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: and I hated myself for not being there. You know,

1027
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 4: So I get what you're saying. You know, this is

1028
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 4: kind of the same feelings with the Pacers that you had,

1029
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 4: and and I am excited, like I'm really looking forward

1030
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 4: to it. And there's also the element of like seeing

1031
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 4: your college friends and college college you know, your college

1032
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 4: team doing something is different than your favorite ProTem, you

1033
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And that's kind of how I

1034
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 4: see this. Last thing i'd say is that, you know,

1035
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 4: I think it was back in the two thousand and

1036
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 4: one they win the championship. I didn't really enjoy that

1037
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 4: as a fan because I was actually covering Miami in

1038
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 4: two thousand and one. I was at the Rose Bowl

1039
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: and covered that game as a reporter. Half the fan

1040
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 4: base hated me because you know, when you'd write a

1041
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 4: negative story, you know you're not their favorite person in

1042
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 4: the world. There was a message board back in the day.

1043
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: This is hilarious.

1044
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 4: There was a back when college message boards were a

1045
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 4: big thing.

1046
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: There was someone on a Miami.

1047
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 4: Message board that started a rumor that I went to

1048
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 4: Florida State, which only tells me that I was really

1049
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 4: good at my job.

1050
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: That was so good it covering this team. Impartially it's

1051
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: they couldn't believe I went there. It's like coaching a

1052
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: football team to such precision that people think that you

1053
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: hacked into an iCloud right, kind of the same thing,

1054
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: I guess. Okay, so yeah, anyway, Steven, let's switch gears

1055
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: to the NFL playoffs. Okay, the games that we have seen,

1056
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: is there anything that we can take away? Because sometimes

1057
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I think when like if you're Chris Ballard or you're

1058
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: Shanstikeen and you're on the sidelines and you're watching the

1059
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: games that are taking place, is there anything that it

1060
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: kind of tipped the hand to an area where you said,

1061
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: see that proves where the Colts fell short, or that

1062
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: proves an area that needs to be improved upon that

1063
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: perhaps even over the course of the regular season we

1064
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily learn when the style of play does turn

1065
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: up a wick a bit in the playoffs, what is

1066
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: the area that was exposed for Indianapolis that even more

1067
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: exemplifies its need to be addressed in the offseason.

1068
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think it's on defense. I mean,

1069
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 4: you got to get a stop when you need a

1070
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 4: stop man. And you know there's particularly when you get

1071
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 4: into these postseason games where you have elite quarterbacks that

1072
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 4: you're dealing with all of that. I just think, you know,

1073
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 4: when you see you had the defensive breakdowns in these games,

1074
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 4: they were very decisive. I mean, I look at the

1075
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe the Bears and Packers, for example,

1076
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 4: the Packers, if they have Micah Parsons, I think they

1077
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 4: win that game, right, I'm sorry, Yeah, I think if

1078
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 4: the Packers have Michael Parsons, I think they win that

1079
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 4: game because there was just in that fourth quarter they

1080
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 4: just needed They just need like one stop, you know

1081
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 4: what I mean, and they just couldn't get it. They

1082
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 4: couldn't stop the bleeding. You've got to have a defense

1083
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 4: that can just get off the field when all the

1084
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 4: chips are down. So much has to happen offensively. You know,

1085
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 4: the quarterback has to be protected. You have to get

1086
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 4: just right, the just perfect connection with the receiver, the blocks,

1087
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 4: the blocking scheme has to be perfect. I mean, so

1088
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 4: much has to go right on offense for you to

1089
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 4: go down and have a clutch winning touchdown drive or something.

1090
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 4: On defense, sometimes you just got to make one play, man,

1091
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 4: you know, is that.

1092
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: Can you make that third down or fourth down stop?

1093
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: You do that, you win the game.

1094
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 4: It's over, you know, in many of these cases. And

1095
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 4: I think if you go back and look at the

1096
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 4: Colts down the stretch, take a look at that, the

1097
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 4: Kansas City game comes to mind. The Seattle game more

1098
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 4: than anything, I think comes to mind. Those fourth quarters.

1099
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 4: All you needed was one stop and you change your season.

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01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 4: They're probably in the playoffs that they get two stops,

1101
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 4: one in the Kansas City game, one in the Seattle game.

1102
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 4: They're in the freaking playoffs period. Now do they win

1103
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 4: in the playoffs? I don't know, but I'm just saying,

1104
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 4: do you see how that changes your outcomes?

1105
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: Right? You've got to have a defense that you can

1106
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: count on. Okay, I want to know of these quarterbacks.

1107
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of defenses that need to get a stop, I'm

1108
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: going a list of quarterbacks that are remaining in the postseason,

1109
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: and I want you to tell me which one you

1110
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: least trust if the game's on the line and they

1111
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: got to take you down the field. You're ready, all right?

1112
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, Drake May, Matt Stafford, Brock Purty, Sam Darnold,

1113
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: c J Stroud, Josh Allen. I'm missing one whom I'm missing?

1114
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: Eddie helped me out. Uh did you say AFC, AFC remaining?

1115
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: What's happened? Did you say bow Knicks, bo Nix? Thank you?

1116
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 1: I keep forgetting Denver. Okay, so there's your list. Which

1117
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks do you least trust or do you

1118
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: have the biggest question mark about least trust. Hmm, this

1119
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: is tricky. I like them all to some degree.

1120
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 4: Ij Stroud is I don't know what's going on there.

1121
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 4: I'm not loving CJ. Stroud right now, but I think

1122
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 4: he has more track record built up though than maybe

1123
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 4: bow Knicks, even though I know how that sounds. Right,

1124
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 4: they're the number one seed. They had I think, you know,

1125
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 4: a pretty productive offense all year. I'm not saying they

1126
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 4: have a bad offense. All I'm saying is have we

1127
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 4: seen bo Nicks go down the field and have to

1128
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 4: to win a playoff game?

1129
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 5: Right?

1130
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a different ask, I guess, is

1131
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 4: what I'm getting at. You know, So we'll see.

1132
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, but but I want to see if

1133
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: he can do it.

1134
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 4: This is gonna be a big test for him, and

1135
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 4: I'm interested to see him in it. But the Texans offensively,

1136
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1137
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: They've got to They gotta figure some things out. But listen,

1138
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: because the way that defense is playing, Steven, I mean

1139
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: I know that that defense is playing at an exceptionally

1140
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: high level.

1141
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean that is a nasty championship defense. It's a

1142
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 3: championship defense. I don't disagree with you. It may not matter.

1143
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 3: You're right, it may not matter. If you're just asking

1144
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 3: me about the quarterback, then then maybe it's a different answer.

1145
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 3: But when you ask that question in the context of

1146
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: that Houston defense, that is a championship defense. Aaron rodg

1147
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 3: they put Aaron Rodgers out the pasture last night.

1148
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: I really feel that way. Why is San Francis able

1149
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: to overcome injury and continue to produce even with injuries

1150
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: at key areas all across the board and teams like

1151
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: Indianapolis or not.

1152
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 4: Okay, this is a great question because this is this

1153
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 4: has been talked about a lot, and I think there's

1154
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 4: a lot of the two one here. So the first

1155
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 4: thing is they did survive the brock thirty injury, which

1156
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: was multiple weeks.

1157
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: They did. They did survive that.

1158
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 4: The difference I think with them is they had a

1159
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: very formidable number two quarterback in Mac Jones, who was

1160
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 4: a first round pick who has one games in the NFL,

1161
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 4: and you coupled him with with a lot of playmakers

1162
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 4: on offense and and an excellent offensive coach. And it

1163
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 4: makes sense why that why that worked?

1164
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: Right?

1165
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 4: They still had a highly productive offense with Mac Jones

1166
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: in the lineup.

1167
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: The Colts.

1168
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 4: Obviously they were missing their top two quarterbacks, so I

1169
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 4: I think that's an important distinction.

1170
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: Is not an excuse.

1171
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 4: But if we're asking what's the difference, well, that's a

1172
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 4: huge difference, right, That's one thing. The other thing is

1173
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 4: I just think the forty nine Ers are the exception

1174
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 4: to the rule. Normally, any team, not just the Colts,

1175
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 4: teams that have that level of injury in a given season,

1176
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 4: they do not do what the forty nine ers have done.

1177
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 4: It's more credit to the forty nine Ers than I

1178
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 4: think it is a reflection of other teams that didn't

1179
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 4: overcome their injuries. Generally speaking, teams that lose all their

1180
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 4: best players, they suck. The forty nine ers keep overcoming it.

1181
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 4: I think they are the exception, and they are one

1182
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 4: of the great franchises in the league right now. Look

1183
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 4: at their consistency. They have been in the mix for

1184
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl for the most part in the last

1185
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 4: six years to some degree, with a couple exceptions, but they've.

1186
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: Been in the mix.

1187
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 4: For most of the past six years and that's remarkable.

1188
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 4: And that's what different quarterbacks that is. You know, with

1189
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 4: with a transition with their offensive line is you know,

1190
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 4: some a lot of their offensive lines changed all that,

1191
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 4: you know. So, Uh, there's just there's good, good coaching

1192
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 4: happening for sure. Kyle Shanahan is.

1193
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: The elite of the elite.

1194
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 5: Uh.

1195
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 4: They have drafted very well and they they have just

1196
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 4: gotten the most out of that roster.

1197
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a credit to them. That's That's the

1198
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: best I can tell you. They just do a great,

1199
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: great job. By the way. In conclusion, Steven, last night,

1200
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: I believe I asked you a trivia question as it

1201
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: relates to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and then

1202
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 1: we got distracted, and I don't know that I ever

1203
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: gave you the answer to the question. What was it again?

1204
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It was this the one about the

1205
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: no tell me again, the only prob the only member

1206
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: question of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. When you

1207
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: go to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in the

1208
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: shrine room, you've been to the shrine room there right

1209
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 1: in Canton. I have, yes, And you know I have

1210
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: been also to the I think they call it the

1211
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: gallery in Cooperstown where the plaques are. And yeah, the

1212
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: Cooperstown plaques to me were very underwhelming. I don't know why,

1213
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: but I anticipated them being much bigger per player, and

1214
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: they're not. It was surprising to me. But nonetheless, the

1215
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: Shrine room in Canton really is fabulous. I mean, you

1216
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: go in and it's pretty all. It's almost like you

1217
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: want to be quiet when you're in there. It's just

1218
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: that there's a.

1219
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 4: I agree, I think the football Hall of Fame. And

1220
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 4: I haven't been to Cooperstown in like twenty years, so

1221
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 4: I could be wrong about this, but my recollection is

1222
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 4: that I was more struck by the Pro Football Hall

1223
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 4: of Fame than I was at the Baseball Hall. The

1224
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 4: basketball I bet normandy of it felt that it felt bigger.

1225
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: I've been to the basketball one also, and that more

1226
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: just felt like a it was. I mean, there's nothing

1227
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: wrong with this, but it was more like an interactive

1228
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: thing for kids about the game of basketball than it was.

1229
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: But the shrine room is very impressive. So you go

1230
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: in and it has different ways that you can look

1231
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: up the enshrinees in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

1232
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: including place of birth. And I was surprised to see

1233
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 1: that there is only one member of the Pro Football

1234
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame who was born in Indianapolis, Indiana, And

1235
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever gave you the answer. You

1236
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: did not.

1237
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 4: You did not, and I do not know the answer this,

1238
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 4: so I feel like I should, but I'm dying to know.

1239
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: Well, here's what you're gonna have to do. You're gonna

1240
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: have to turn on your radio because as soon as

1241
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: we hang up, because I'm gonna tell everybody on the

1242
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: other side. How's that? All right? Fair enough, it's very

1243
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: clever of you. I do what I can. Stephen. Uh,

1244
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: you got kick those ratings up, baby, you know the drill?

1245
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: All right, Steven, appreciate it. Enjoy going home to Miami

1246
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: and watching the game, and enjoy watching Indiana win their

1247
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: first national championship.

1248
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 4: We'll see what happens, but it very well could be.

1249
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 4: I will say, Hey, fun fact, by the way, the

1250
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 4: last time I walked through that shrine room, this is

1251
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 4: why my job is cool. The last time I walked

1252
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 4: through that shrine room was with Tony Dungee.

1253
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Pretty cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool, very cool.

1254
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: All right. I appreciate it, Steven. We'll talk to you soon,

1255
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: all right, Steven Holder joining us here on the Java

1256
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line. All right, so I

1257
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: will tell you the only Hall of Famer. I've mentioned

1258
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: it before born in Indianapolis, Indiana. And we will get

1259
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: into Eddie's question, it would be fabulous if Indiana wins

1260
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: on Monday Night? It would it be bad for college football?

1261
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: He'll elaborate on his thinking next, Eddie, you have or

1262
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: have not been to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1263
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: I have not. It really is worth driving over for.

1264
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's funny because when you go into it,

1265
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: you walk in and you as soon as you walk

1266
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: into the facility, the first room that you go into

1267
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,440
Speaker 1: is the shrine room, and it's dimly lit with spotlights

1268
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: on the busts of all of the Hall of famers,

1269
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: and they have like touch screens where you can look

1270
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: up the bios, and I mean it's very impressive. Now

1271
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: the rest of it is somewhat almost like dilapidated, like

1272
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of and it is not just

1273
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: the NFL Hall of Fame, it's the Pro Football Hall

1274
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,480
Speaker 1: of Fame. So it has things in there talking about

1275
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: the Canadian League and you know, all kinds of different things.

1276
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: But it has a fabulous goes without saying gift shop,

1277
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: I mean you could go it's worth the drive over

1278
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: just to go to the gift shop because you could

1279
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: buy it. Literally, you know what I mean. You want

1280
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: to buy a thimble with the Chiefs logo on it.

1281
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: They got it. I mean they have everything there. But

1282
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: when you go through, the one thing that you see

1283
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: among the busts the following player. He spent the majority

1284
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: of his career with the Minnesota Vikings and also played

1285
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: for the Atlanta Falcons and the San Francisco forty nine Ers.

1286
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Speaker 1: An eight time Pro Bowl selection, three time first team

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Speaker 1: All Pro recording one hundred and fifty and a half

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01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: career Sacks a member of the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame in the class of two thousand and two. He

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01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: passed away in twenty twenty at the age of fifty

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Speaker 1: ffty eight in Duluth, Georgia. Went to high school in

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Speaker 1: York Pennsylvania College at the University of Pittsburgh. The fourth

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01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: overall pick in the eighty five draft, but born on

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Speaker 1: October the sixteenth, nineteen sixty one, in Indianapolis, Indiana, Chris

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: Dolman of the Vikings. Primarily of the Vikings, Chris Dolman

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Speaker 1: when I entered it in at least at the time

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Speaker 1: that I was there, the only member of the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame born in Indianapolis. He had brain surgery in

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, later diagnosed with gia blastoma and passed away

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 1: at the age of fifty eight. Honored prior to the

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Speaker 1: kickoff at Super Bowl the Super Bowl five days later.

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Speaker 1: So there you go, Chris Dolman, the late great Chris

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01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 1: Dolman born in Indianapolis. Okay, Eddie, you were saying your

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01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: question about Indiana if they were to win come Monday night, obviously.

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 2: It would be great for the local rooting interest here

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01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana and fellow who's just across

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,560
Speaker 2: the country, just because of the fact that this is

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01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: something that you know, nobody ever thought they was say

1309
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: that Indiana is not only playing in the college Football

1310
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 2: Playoff Championship game, that they are the champions and they

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01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 2: were the best team in college football. You know, this

1312
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 2: season in the first undefeated team in the history of

1313
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: college football in this new format, and on the year

1314
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: is fifty years of the celebration of as you've highlighted

1315
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 2: of basketball. Going undefeated got me thinking if it would

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 2: actually be bad for college football if a team like

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: Indiana won it and not in the aspect of it's

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01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: Indiana winning and the aspect in the aspect of how

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01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: they've done it, like it's been two years for Kurt

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01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 2: Signetti to do this. And you're and if you're a

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01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 2: team that's like Florida for example, You've got a large

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01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 2: fan base, you have a large alumni association with a

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01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: lot of you know, history in the football program itself.

1324
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: You look at Alabama in the history that they have

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01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: had in their football program, especially recently under Nick Saban,

1326
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 2: and like, is it going to start creating unrealistic expectations

1327
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 2: for some of these schools that have the big in

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01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 2: ale budget, that have the history of football and being

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01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 2: really good, competitive and among one of the best in

1330
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 2: the country, that they can't get it right in the

1331
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 2: nature and as quick as Indiana did with a guy

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: who is from James Madison.

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01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: The answer is, I think to an extent, yes, And.

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: We're going to see constant change almost every two to

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: three years, and these coaches aren't going to get a

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: chance to build up anything.

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01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: Here is what I think is going to be the

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01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: biggest question mark. And you're correct, it works two ways, Eddie.

1339
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of schools that are

1340
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: going to look at it and say, wait a minute.

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01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: You know, we are the Ohio State University. We are Clemson,

1342
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 1: we are Texas, we are Michigan, we are usc we

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01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:55,799
Speaker 1: are football schools. We are football schools that invest in football,

1344
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: believe in football, live and die by football. So how

1345
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: in the world, how in the world did Plucky feel

1346
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: sorry for them? Indiana come swooping in. Well, then they

1347
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: diagnose it, and you do the autopsy, you say, Okay,

1348
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,719
Speaker 1: several things had to come into play here. Number one,

1349
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,919
Speaker 1: very good strategy by their athletic director and their president

1350
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: to say and you know what, kudos to Tom Allen

1351
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 1: for saying even though I think towards the end it

1352
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: was this wasn't the main culprit. But Tom Allen was

1353
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: very open to anybody that would listen to it about

1354
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: his critique that Indiana did not financially invest in football

1355
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: the way that other teams did. And you heard when

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: we had Dave Rebson on and he talked about the

1357
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: story of Jerry DeNardo piping in crowd noise with speakers

1358
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: before they went to Oregon some twenty years ago and

1359
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: won by the way, and the university then saying well,

1360
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: who's going to pay for the speakers? You know, those

1361
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 1: sorts of things. Indiana finally said we was Scott Dolson

1362
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: and Pam Witten like football. They figured out football is

1363
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: the breadwinner. It's great to be a basketball school, but

1364
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't pay the bills. Football does. So they went

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01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 1: out and did it. What Indiana did, as I've mentioned

1366
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: many many times, is they got out in front of

1367
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 1: it and anticipated. I remember having a conversation with somebody

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01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: at Indiana before the NIL thing got full clearance, and

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01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: it was like, look, Indiana's ready to go. They got

1370
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: a war chest ready to go, and they're going to

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01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: be able to figure out how to navigate this new system.

1372
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Signetti was a big part of that.

1373
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: When Signetti came in and said everything year has to

1374
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: change everything. We have to literally turn this thing upside down.

1375
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: And the first thing we got to do is bring

1376
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: in go out and get players that are used to winning,

1377
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: that are you know, veterans whatever else.

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01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: Okay, And the other part to what they've done so well, Jake,

1379
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: is they're not typically going after guys that have the

1380
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 2: high talent with the star recruit whatever. They're looking for

1381
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 2: players that fit what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: Correct, that's correct.

1383
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 2: So it's more of a NFL roster build type correct

1384
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 2: versus I want to go get the best player to

1385
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 2: come play for me.

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01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: Now here is where Eddie, this gets interesting because you're

1387
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: correct in that, right does Indiana? There are two sides

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01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: of this question Mark moving forward. The first is this

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01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: Indiana's blueprint? How does it change? Now? Indiana can say

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01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: all they want that they've never wanted five stars. Guess

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01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: what it's because five stars never wanted Indiana, right, I mean,

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01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: that's just the reality of it. Like it's not like

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01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, the the under Armor All American Game that

1394
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: it wasn't like two years ago, people like he'll be

1395
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: choosing between Indiana, Miami, Alabama, and USC No. So the

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01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: now that Indiana has elevated its profile and it is

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01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: perhaps on the radar or in play for elite blue

1398
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: chip high school talent, does that change Indiana's tune about

1399
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: those players? Now? You would say likely not. You use

1400
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: them as a situation, but you don't lean on those players.

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,839
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's a balancing act because

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01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: if you are getting a five star kid out of

1403
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: Stone Mountain, Georgia or Dasal High School in Coronado, California.

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01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 2: Or even locally, Manchin Sales at Lawrence North. He has

1405
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: a five star recruit.

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: So if he's coming in and you're saying, okay, we

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01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: have that kid, but we also have a twenty three

1408
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: year old transfer from Kansas State that had nine hundred

1409
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: yards receiving last year, you may only have a year

1410
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: to get minutes out of that five star before he says,

1411
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: you know what I got, Kansas State offer me million

1412
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: and a half for next year, or whatever it may be.

1413
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: I think the more fascinating thing is going to be this,

1414
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: and I'm going to sound like an old man yelling

1415
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 1: at clouds. I realize Mark Cuban has essentially endless money.

1416
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: Fifteen million bucks to Mark Cuban is literally a pop,

1417
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: a bag of combos and a powerball ticket at the

1418
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: gas station. But even people with that kind of wealth,

1419
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: or even people that are boosters of Michigan or Alabama.

1420
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: But let's even go a step further and say the Minnesota's,

1421
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: the Mississippi States, the San Jose states of the world.

1422
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: How many times can you go to the same car

1423
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: dealer and say, hey, I know last year we asked

1424
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: you for eighty grand because there was a quarterback we

1425
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: really wanted. It was a transfer from you know, you

1426
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: see Santa Barbara because they phased out their program, and

1427
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: he was really good for us, and we went seven

1428
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: and six and that was cool and hopefully you and

1429
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: you enjoyed your your stop at the you know, the

1430
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: Hawaiian Punch Bowl. But we need one hundred grand this

1431
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 1: year because we got a guy. Now last year, that

1432
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: guy was good, but we got a guy this year

1433
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: that's coming from UTEP and they actually played in the

1434
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: Little Caesars Bowl, and so we need one hundred grand

1435
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: this year. And then that kid trains serves after a year,

1436
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: and then you go back to that guy and you go,

1437
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: it's now going to be one hundred and fifty. I

1438
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 1: mean eventually, Eddie, because and I know, television money is

1439
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 1: a huge revenue source, okay, but television money also through

1440
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: Title nine is helping to pay the scholarships for the

1441
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: cross country runners and the volleyball team and the girls

1442
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: swimming team and everything else the NIL collectives. As long

1443
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: as you are going to bowl games, in championship games

1444
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: and making these runs, theoretically people are going to continue

1445
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: to pay into that hopper. But even even success eventually

1446
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: get look at Alabama, Alabama. Why were there no Alabama

1447
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 1: fans at the Rose Bowl Because they've been there a

1448
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: hundred times. I mean it's far for them to travel,

1449
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: but not much further than Indiana. But they've been there

1450
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 1: one hundred times. And Alabama fans like, yeah, I mean,

1451
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: wake me up when we get to the final four,

1452
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: you know. And same reason why. I mean, Indiana travels

1453
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 1: really well for the NCAA tournament, but for years there,

1454
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,759
Speaker 1: you know, certain schools they didn't have a huge turnout

1455
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: in the opening round of the NCAA tournament because they're like, yeah,

1456
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the final four. I'm gonna save

1457
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: my money for that. And the same is true of

1458
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: when you start getting regular success within the NIL era,

1459
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: Eventually people are going to be like, yeah, I'm accustomed

1460
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: to this. Man Like the thrill and the excitement and

1461
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 1: the chasing of the high of can we get to

1462
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: the next level? I keep writing checks for you. That's

1463
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: what's going to be interesting. I do think that Indiana

1464
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: has broken the mold a little bit on how you

1465
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: build a program. Eddie to your point of when you say,

1466
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: is it going to be bad for college football? I

1467
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: don't know that it's going to be bad for college football,

1468
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: but I do think there's a group of people it's

1469
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: going to be bad for if Indiana wins. I do

1470
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: think there's a group of people that it's going to

1471
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 1: be bad for if Indiana wins, which we'll get into

1472
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: on the other side. And Scott Agnes joins us in nineteen.

1473
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: You know this band, by the way, Eddie falls into

1474
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: a j Querry fun category that I've brought up before.

1475
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: And a fun fact from yours.

1476
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,679
Speaker 1: Truly, what fun fact do you have about zz Top If.

1477
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: You go to the I Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

1478
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 2: they are the last band listed.

1479
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 1: Nice and presumably will be for the rest of time.

1480
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 2: Right unless there's like zz Z, I don't know.

1481
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: You know that if somebody would come up with a

1482
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: band name that is sleep you know the Eagles, the

1483
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: Eagles could be rebranded as Triple Z because they put

1484
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: you to sleep. It's sleepy music, right, Excuse me? I

1485
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: think the Eagles are sleepy. Laura Steele and I once

1486
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 1: had a furious debate about this. I think the Eagles

1487
01:23:58,800 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: are sleepy?

1488
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: Did she say crazy?

1489
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: Are you on crack that actually sounded like Steven and

1490
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: the Helium version right, Not really, I was just today.

1491
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: So ponder this question while I tell you my point

1492
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: about who I think it's gonna hurt for Indiana. Ponder

1493
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: this question the band or artist that you most enjoy

1494
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 1: but strangely have never paid for. In other words, you've

1495
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: never bought I mean back in the day. I realize

1496
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 1: now you just download everything, but or you stream everything.

1497
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: But a band that you never owned a tape, CD,

1498
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: whatever else, And you've also never gone to see them

1499
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: in concert, But whenever they come on, you're like, yeah,

1500
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: they I like all their songs. Zz Top might be

1501
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: that band for me. I think they've played carb Day once.

1502
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't there for that. I've never bought a CD, tape, album,

1503
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: whatever else, never seen him in concert, but they're cool.

1504
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: I kind of dig their tunes. So think about who

1505
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 1: that is for you, Eddie. I think when it comes

1506
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: to the direction of college football, now there and it's

1507
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: not going to harm. There are always going to be

1508
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: the same number of seats at the table. I get that,

1509
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: But in terms of players coming out of high school,

1510
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, at least temporarily because it's a copycat game.

1511
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: It always has been, and things are cyclical, you know,

1512
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: you get a team that every team every there's always

1513
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: a cycle in sports where you're like, this team is

1514
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 1: a dynasty. I mean, Florida had it with Urban Meyer,

1515
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: and then it was Alabama forever, and then it was

1516
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: kind of Clemson's turn at the wheel very briefly, and

1517
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: we thought it was going to be Ohio State. And

1518
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: maybe still they're going to be there. I don't know.

1519
01:25:54,640 --> 01:26:01,480
Speaker 1: But the the format of recruiting primarily having recruiting services

1520
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: primarily be the top high school players, I think that

1521
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 1: may maybe not forever, but in the short term here

1522
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: get replaced by the portal and the recruiting services that

1523
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: are analyzing the top players in college football and the

1524
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: top players in high school football. The first one might

1525
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 1: be the one now that gets more prioritized because people

1526
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: are like, hey, my program, we need a corner, we

1527
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: need a safety. You know, we were really good last year,

1528
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: but our starting safety went to the pros or he

1529
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: transferred to cal so we need a safety.

1530
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 2: We like Penn State, they just lost their top corner

1531
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 2: to Indiana.

1532
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, like it's all I mean, everybody seemingly

1533
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 1: is losing players to Indiana right now, right but now

1534
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: when those schools are looking Eddie to replace those guys

1535
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: instead of Hey, great opportunity for Johnny from you know,

1536
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: mister football from West Virginia last year. It's more so

1537
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: great opportunity for the safety at West Virginia that's looking

1538
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 1: to transfer the portal itself. And this is the real

1539
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: moral dilemma I have here my college career. My freshman

1540
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: year I went to University of Kansas. It was a

1541
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: disaster one hundred percent on me. Yeah, I was homesick,

1542
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: I was immature. So after my freshman year of the

1543
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 1: University of Kansas, I transferred. I came home to Indianapolis

1544
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: tail between my legs. First semester of what would have

1545
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: been my sophomore year, I didn't even go to school.

1546
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: I worked at Casey's Coffee and Tea in Clearwater Letter

1547
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: k Letter c What Yep, just like Kansas City's. But

1548
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: it was for Ken and Kim Cole who owned it.

1549
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Got it. So I was a barista. Okay, nice, did

1550
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: you make chewing team? I think I can tell you

1551
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: how to make a lot te cap, but you know,

1552
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: it's a unique skill. That I had, So I worked

1553
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: at Casey's Coffee and Tea to just kind of pick

1554
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: up the pieces from the disappointment of my freshman year.

1555
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: And then and then I ended up getting the job

1556
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: at the cigar store, but I worked the second semester.

1557
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 1: I went to Iepuy, kind of got my affairs in

1558
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: order and got my grade point average back up, and

1559
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: then did an inner campus transfer from Iupuy to Indianapolis,

1560
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean, from Iepuy excuse me, to Bloomington. Went to Bloomington.

1561
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: So now basically technically speaking, I'm on school number three,

1562
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: and then ended up finishing two years ago via online

1563
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: through Indiana University. Nobody, nobody thought twice about one in

1564
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: the world is this world coming to this guy's going

1565
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: to three schools in three years. I had to do

1566
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: those things because for my journey, I mean, part of

1567
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 1: it was my own mistakes, right, but to pick up

1568
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: the pieces on my journey and move forward to whatever else.

1569
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Those are the schools that had aligned with what was

1570
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: going to be best for me in those situations. And

1571
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: we unfairly say that a kid should not be able

1572
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: to play for three college football programs in a four

1573
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 1: year period or four and a five year period because

1574
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: they're milking the system and getting as much money. Okay,

1575
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: but wouldn't it be hypocritical to me, as somebody who

1576
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: had to attend three different schools under three different scenarios

1577
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: to finally get the footing underneath me or get the

1578
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: experience necessary for my own maturation, my own journey. Wouldn't

1579
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: it be hypocritical of me to say that some kids

1580
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: shouldn't transfer three times if in fact that's going to

1581
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: monetarily and from an on field performance be best for

1582
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: him or her. If it's a different a female sport,

1583
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 1: I mean, why are we holding players to a different

1584
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: standard than we're holding normal students. Well, part of it

1585
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: because of the compensation. I get it. And I also

1586
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: understand like the kid at Washington goes to Washington as

1587
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: a quarterback, gets a huge nil deal and then immediately

1588
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: backs out of it. Well, that's between he and Washington.

1589
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: And if there was a contract he had signed or whatever,

1590
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 1: that's that's on him, or that's cool. What's going back

1591
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: to Washington? He isn't want to go to the Supreme Court. Yeah, Well,

1592
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: in the quarterback at.

1593
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 2: Old Miss Trinidad, Chambliss.

1594
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: I understand why he is lobbying for it, and I

1595
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: understand both sides of it here. I mean, eventually you've

1596
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: got to say, okay, I mean, yeah, I have no

1597
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: problem with them putting a cap on, but you can

1598
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: only do this for X number of years now.

1599
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 2: Diego Pavia, though, got granted another year of eligibility. So

1600
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: I just don't know where the line is right.

1601
01:30:54,840 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: And here's the thing for Chambliss, right, I totally understand

1602
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: why he wants to get another year of eligibility because

1603
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: he's looking at it saying, Okay, I am a fringe

1604
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: NFL player, I'm probably a practice squad player. And I

1605
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 1: think he's a wonderful player, and he was really fun

1606
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: to watch in the post. He's really good. But he

1607
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: is good. But he's small, right, what's his size? I

1608
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: don't know.

1609
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he's what gotta be around Kyler, Murray, Russell Wilson,

1610
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 2: Drew brees Hyt.

1611
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: I think he's five ten, isn't he? I could be wrong.

1612
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 2: Trinidad Chamberliss lit to that six foot one.

1613
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: Two dred pounds. Okay, then that means he's five to ten.

1614
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: But if he is not going to be a lock

1615
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 1: and stock player. I mean, look, Eddie arch Manning made

1616
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: eight million this year, right, yep, Beck's making six, Fernando

1617
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: Mendoza's making three and a half million. Mendoza made more

1618
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:58,839
Speaker 1: by transferring to Indiana than rock Perty made in probably

1619
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: his first two years in the NFL. Well, so I

1620
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: totally understand why players are going to play the system

1621
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: and transfer as many times as possible if that's their

1622
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: best avenue to get that money. And in Chambers's case, right,

1623
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: this is probably the best chance for him to get

1624
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: that money, more than he would get if he was

1625
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: going in and trying to scratch and claw his way

1626
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: through the NFL.

1627
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: I think. And it's only going to get uglier Jake

1628
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 2: in this regard, just because of the fact that if

1629
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 2: this actually happens Earlier. David Elban of The Athletic reporting

1630
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 2: that the FBSI coaches that vuoty un animally to expand

1631
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 2: the eligibility of red Cairt years from four games to nine,

1632
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 2: meaning you can play fewer than nine games and apply

1633
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 2: for a retro and most likely you know, get it.

1634
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 2: Like how many players now're like, oh, yeah, you see,

1635
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, my ankle hurts, I'm gonna sit this one

1636
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: out right, and you know I'm gonna you know, I'm

1637
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 2: gonna set out these two by games so I can

1638
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 2: maintain my eligibility for another year, so I can secure

1639
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 2: another paycheck.

1640
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, And like, how like where is it

1641
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: going to stop? Is the question? I told you the

1642
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 1: Jake Querry plan. I know, freshman year, the school where

1643
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm most comfortable, I'm going to get opportunity that pays

1644
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 1: me handsomely. Sophomore year, throw my name in the portal.

1645
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: This is assuming, of course, that I'm having success as

1646
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 1: a player. Uh, throw my name in the portal, create

1647
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: a frenzy. Get my school to double my salary. Junior

1648
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,800
Speaker 1: year open season, baby, bring it on. Whoever's paying me

1649
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 1: the most. Southwest Arizona. Okay, fine, that's where I'm going.

1650
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: They're giving me four million. Senior year, elite academic institution.

1651
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: You will agree to take all of my credits. I'm

1652
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: graduating from your school. You don't owe me a dime,

1653
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: and people can tell me all they want. Well, those

1654
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 1: schools wouldn't do that. Okay, Okay, do you want to

1655
01:33:54,920 --> 01:34:01,679
Speaker 1: bet on that? I mean, it's a wild, wild west Man,

1656
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:06,679
Speaker 1: but I also understand that it's a free market enterprise.

1657
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: It is. And as long as and look, we love it,

1658
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: we love it. We love the game. The games are awesome.

1659
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 1: They're awesome. College football is awesome. There is nothing nothing

1660
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 1: like a Saturday afternoon, you know that late October, the

1661
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: air is kind of crisp, going out and going into

1662
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: a bar or restaurant or something, and the mid afternoon

1663
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: games are wrapping up and there's a big night game

1664
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: under the lights. Awesome watching it.

1665
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 2: Awesome To go back to what you were saying about

1666
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 2: the whole high school thing, Jake, with like recruits and

1667
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, kind of getting glossed over. You know, we

1668
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 2: were just talking about what Indiana, you know, winning the

1669
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 2: college football playoff be bad for college football? Would that

1670
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,600
Speaker 2: be good for college football? Where you're getting some of

1671
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 2: these young, really talented players going to like, I don't know,

1672
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 2: teams that like Michigan State for example, or some of

1673
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 2: these other power four, Power five schools that aren't typically

1674
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 2: good and now they're getting these top recruits and next

1675
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 2: thing you know, they're competing and so like there's a

1676
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 2: long or there's a deeper field and to warrant an

1677
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:13,839
Speaker 2: expansion in the college football playoff.

1678
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think what's gonna happen is this.

1679
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, when you go to a Pacer game or

1680
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 1: a Reds game and they say, all right, folks, it's

1681
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: more so you see this in baseball, and they bring

1682
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 1: out the four dots that are gonna race, and each

1683
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: one represents the different you know, based on the make

1684
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: noise and level two yours. Yeah, and so those dots

1685
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 1: are you know, ones way ahead, and then it falls

1686
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: back and the crowd gets more excited and they're racing

1687
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: up on the jumbo tron and it's back and forth,

1688
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: back and forth. YEP. I really think that what we

1689
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: may enter into here is an era where you see

1690
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,559
Speaker 1: two to three year eras for a bunch of different teams,

1691
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: because it's going to be based on who is able

1692
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: to load up via the transfer portal and the NI

1693
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: payments to build an elite roster, and they're able to

1694
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: push that elite roster in to see what they can do,

1695
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: and then they have to then once that roster is done,

1696
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,400
Speaker 1: they've got to wait like another five or seven years

1697
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: to reload again once they can allocate all of that

1698
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: that amount of money again. And I think it's very possible.

1699
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 1: And yes it helps that Indiana has what may be

1700
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: the best coach in college football, but I think it's

1701
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: very possible that you're going to see Look at Texas Tech.

1702
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 1: Texas Tech has all kinds of oil money, and Texas

1703
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 1: Tech has usurped Baylor at least right now. Texas and

1704
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: the schools out there because they've got the oil money

1705
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: that's pushing in and buy and they're just going out.

1706
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: And now that defense they had, that's nasty, they're just

1707
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,600
Speaker 1: adding pieces to it. Now Texas Tech is prime for

1708
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: next year. And one thinks that that probably would last

1709
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and eventually the boosters are

1710
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, I'm gonna sit out a couple of years. Man,

1711
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm good with it, Like I love going to

1712
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: those games. But you know, the kids got stuff going

1713
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: on now, whatever it might be. And so now all

1714
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Oklahoma State goes you know what, there's

1715
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: a void here. I mean, let's just got t boone

1716
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: Pickens isn't around anymore, but you know you've got some

1717
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: boom Arkansas.

1718
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,799
Speaker 2: Kate Hunningham, you got some money you can toss over here. Yeah, football,

1719
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, what I mean though, basketball you want to

1720
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 2: help support the football program, right.

1721
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 1: Or you know Arkansas with the you know, the Walmart money.

1722
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 1: I mean, eventually, you know whatever, it might be. All

1723
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 1: the stan Kronky stan Kronky is he married into the

1724
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Walmart family. He's a huge sports fan. So what does

1725
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: he do? He owns everything now sports wise. He owns

1726
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: the Rams, he owns the Blues. I think, I mean,

1727
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, and he was in Saint Louis and then

1728
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: he moves out to Denver. He's got the Avalanche and

1729
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you know.

1730
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 2: So Crypto Jedi on your band question on the text

1731
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,799
Speaker 2: line says sticks. My answer, that's a good My answer

1732
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 2: would be Rush. Okay, Styx is a good one.

1733
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: And the guy from Big Daddy that Adam Sandler played

1734
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: would agree with you, says there the most underrated band.

1735
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes George's next thank you by the way to

1736
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Cluster Truck for lunch today. We are fortunate enough to

1737
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: have them bring some buy each Tuesday, Eddie, what'd you

1738
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: go with today?

1739
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 2: I went with the barbecue chicken strips and I didn't

1740
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: ask for tater totts. I got a sight of him,

1741
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 2: so I want to thank Evan Sheryl will toss on

1742
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 2: those in because that's not going to be My lunch

1743
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 2: is just these tots, and then tomorrow's dinner is probably

1744
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:36,480
Speaker 2: going to be those chicken strips.

1745
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: By the way, not to say that I'm easily distracted,

1746
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: but I'm curious what's going on. JMV has parked his

1747
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 1: card in the parking lot and I could Yeah, he's

1748
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: got his trunk wide open. He's taking pictures of something. Huh,

1749
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: he's he's out there taking pictures.

1750
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 2: I think body in there.

1751
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. He's he's standing, he's

1752
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: gotten out of his car and he's just standing walking

1753
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 1: around aimlessly in the parking lot, snapping photos. I don't

1754
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 1: know if he's an insurance adjuster. What's going on here?

1755
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 2: By the way, if you are using Cluster Truck and

1756
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 2: you spend over twenty five dollars, you can get five

1757
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 2: dollars off by using the code big Fan.

1758
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: And it's still.

1759
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 2: Undetermined if this game day special will be offered on

1760
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 2: Monday for the College Football Playoff Championship game, but it

1761
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 2: will still be offered on Saturday and Sunday, so for

1762
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 2: your NFL Playoff viewing party. If you so have one

1763
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 2: two pizzas Pepperoni Classic or I can't even say this

1764
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 2: other word, two pounds of handbreaded chicken strips for twenty

1765
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 2: nine to ninety nine and you can use code Big

1766
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 2: Fan off of it, so you can get five dollars off.

1767
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 1: It's just a nice bundle right there. You could use

1768
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: that on Saturday, if you're watching Indiana and Iowa, that

1769
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: game can be heard at one o'clock on WBC, our

1770
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: sister station, also here on the Fan eleven thirty in

1771
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 1: the morning, Butler and Seaton Hall on Saturday, and Purdue

1772
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: and USC at six thirty in hoops that game can

1773
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: be seen on Peacock. So perhaps Cluster Truck can be

1774
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:05,639
Speaker 1: your companion for any of those. If you're thinking to yourself,

1775
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:07,759
Speaker 1: Jacket's gonna take a lot of energy to watch those games,

1776
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: no problem, get yourself a wrangler energy from Java House

1777
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 1: Java house dot com. Peeling Poor Guest line is where

1778
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:16,519
Speaker 1: we find Scott Agnes from Fieldhouse Files Pacers last night

1779
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: winners over the Boston Celtics who had their city Gold

1780
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 1: gold standard uniforms. Scott, I thought again, oddly, and you know,

1781
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 1: it's almost like this kind of band of misfits to

1782
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 1: borrow a Fernanda Mendoza term for the Pacers is starting

1783
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out some cohesiveness amongst themselves. It

1784
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 1: is is it that or is it the fact that

1785
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: they're playing teams like Boston with no Jaylen Brown.

1786
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 6: I think, first of all, I start out as they've

1787
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 6: gotten many of their guys back, meaning the Pacers right,

1788
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 6: Nie Smith being out there, significant, nim Hard when he's

1789
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 6: healthy significant. Then then I would go to the second point, whereas, look,

1790
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 6: you're facing the Celtics who are without Jason Tatum and

1791
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 6: Jalen Brown, and they've done a great job after the

1792
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 6: first month of the season of putting it together, although

1793
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 6: they've now lost three of four. But I think you

1794
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 6: just find a Pacers team that's finally being able to

1795
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 6: establish something because they're not dealing with all these ten

1796
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 6: day contracts or you know, those type of guys that

1797
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:15,679
Speaker 6: are coming in and out, and they're leaning more heavily

1798
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 6: on the players we expected entering this season.

1799
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: The Okay, last night in the game against Boston, I

1800
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: thought they got good play in good contribution from a

1801
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,839
Speaker 1: couple of plays. You know, nim Hard showed the ability

1802
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Scott to hit shots when they needed it. But I

1803
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: thought last night he was a better facilitator than he

1804
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 1: was scorer. Are they better when Andro Nimhard is serving

1805
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: that role as opposed to the shoot first guy. Does

1806
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: that make sense?

1807
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 7: It does?

1808
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 6: And I think so because that's how this system is built,

1809
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 6: That's how Tyres runs it as the primary facilitator. And

1810
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 6: then what we normally have seen previously with this group,

1811
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 6: right talking about Haliburton and Company, is when they need

1812
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 6: it in the third or fourth quarter, then he turns

1813
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 6: it on. So he might go from eight points to

1814
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 6: twenty five because of a big fourth quarter. And so yeah,

1815
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 6: I think the key thing is for Nimhar to be

1816
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 6: that facilitator, the organizer. Especially with the way in which

1817
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 6: this team is set up and organized. The challenge is

1818
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 6: you need somebody to be nim Hard, and nobody has

1819
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 6: been really able to accomplish that Scott.

1820
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,880
Speaker 1: Who has most taken advantage of opportunity this year?

1821
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 6: First name that came to mind was Jay Huff, Second

1822
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 6: is probably Johnny Furfey.

1823
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 1: To me, okay, that's fair. I would put Jeris Walker

1824
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: at a even In other words, he unfortunately, you know

1825
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: somebody asked me last night. It was a good way

1826
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 1: saying it. I'm watching the game and I get a

1827
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 1: text and it just says, when is the fog going

1828
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 1: to lift off of Jeris Walker? And I thought that

1829
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 1: was a very good way of saying it, because when

1830
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: the fog does clear, from time to time, he has

1831
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 1: shown flashes where you go, okay, like he's he's ready

1832
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,600
Speaker 1: to take that next step, and then he kind of

1833
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: goes back to just being a guy. And I think

1834
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 1: I've come to the conclusion that Jaris Walker may be

1835
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: a part of the future, but just as a guy

1836
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: just a minute, you know, a guy that goes out

1837
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: and gives you decent minutes but doesn't lift and or

1838
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 1: hurt you. But then there are other players that I

1839
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:30,639
Speaker 1: feel like have not that have probably regressed. Ben Shephard

1840
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: is one of them in that category. Now, Am I

1841
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,240
Speaker 1: too harshened saying that, and that Ben Shephard seemingly as

1842
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:39,440
Speaker 1: there was more opportunity for him this year has struggled.

1843
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 1: Am I being too critical? No?

1844
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 6: I think that was true early on, but I think

1845
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 6: since the injury, since coming back a couple of weeks

1846
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 6: ago from that calf spring, we've started to see more

1847
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 6: of his old self, and he's getting more minutes and

1848
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 6: he's knocking down shots. I think he's shooting better than

1849
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 6: sixty percent since coming back in the last two weeks

1850
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 6: from three point range. Same I would say is true

1851
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 6: from j Rris Walker. He went through an awful shooting

1852
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,719
Speaker 6: slump Jay Huff two and to me, it's it's probably

1853
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 6: no coincidence that these guys are hitting more shots now

1854
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 6: that things are more back to normal in terms of

1855
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 6: personnel and and because one of the big challenges is

1856
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 6: you're not just during that injury, not to beat this

1857
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 6: dead horse. But part of the issue is when these

1858
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 6: players are out, yes you're losing them, but then other

1859
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 6: guys have to be forced into playing different roles or

1860
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 6: playing outside themselves, including Shepherd, who was starting quite a

1861
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 6: bit for a while rather than playing his fourteen to

1862
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 6: twenty minutes off the bench. And so I think in

1863
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 6: that role, yes, being the starter, he struggled. Now back

1864
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 6: in coming off the bench playing with the reserve unit,

1865
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 6: I think we're seeing more of what we expected from him.

1866
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 1: And I realized it's going to be in a very

1867
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: back end role if he were to stay. In other words,

1868
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 1: bottom of the depth chart area here, But has Micah

1869
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 1: Potter played himself into Scott a role moving forward beyond

1870
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: this show year?

1871
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 6: I think absolutely all all spots are open from that

1872
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 6: center spot, and with him specifically, it's certainly the second

1873
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 6: or third big I think right now, from what I

1874
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 6: would gather, it feels like Jay Huff would be your

1875
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 6: perfect backup center, and Mike it could be your third

1876
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 6: string and you're still missing that number one.

1877
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 1: Okay, now the question is, and I do believe Scott

1878
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: I said earlier, Uh, if you were to close your eyes,

1879
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: Let's say next year, for the sake of my little

1880
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 1: experiment here, let's say the Pacers have a Christmas Day

1881
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 1: game next year. Okay, the Pacers are going to play

1882
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 1: in New York on Christmas Day next year. So you

1883
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 1: get done opening the gifts and you're sitting there and

1884
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,919
Speaker 1: you got your PJS on and you're drinking your eggnog

1885
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 1: and you turn it on. WHOA did you feel that, Jake?

1886
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 1: Did you feel like breeze? Yeah, it's our friend Robin

1887
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: the Genie and he's connected who day nog ahead to

1888
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 1: into the room. Oh, Genie's like eggon. I don't know if

1889
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: you knew that or not? Eddy, like I heard you

1890
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 1: talking about your Christmas Day scenario. So I have a

1891
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: question for Scott Aggies. Okay, Scott, you up for taking

1892
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 1: a question from Robin the genie. He doesn't pay on

1893
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 1: his bets.

1894
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 6: I do to please waitew it, Robin, I'm ready.

1895
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 1: For Okay, here's my question for you, Scott, as you

1896
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: are getting ready to watch the game on Christmas Day

1897
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: next year, if the Pacers were playing, when they do

1898
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: the starting lineups for one million dollars, you have to

1899
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: answer now, is the starting center in that scenario next

1900
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 1: year currently on the Pacer rost.

1901
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:40,600
Speaker 6: I don't see it, rob It, No, I don't think so.

1902
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 6: I think that upgrade will have to comb from the outside.

1903
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 1: You may have noticed in the Deal or No Deal

1904
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: at Pacer games they have a new feature known as

1905
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 1: the double or nothing. I will give you double anything

1906
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 1: by saying this, would you like to tell me what

1907
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: center you believe it may be that is starting for

1908
01:46:58,479 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 1: the Pacers next season?

1909
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 7: I think you should top it right.

1910
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 1: I'll come on.

1911
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,679
Speaker 7: I'd like Robin to tell me he should know that one.

1912
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:12,839
Speaker 1: I do not actually make predictions. I simply pay for others. Okay,

1913
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: fair enough. I think. Now I will tell you this.

1914
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: I will take the place of Robin here, Okay, Scott,

1915
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 1: I believe that it would be. And I'm just gonna

1916
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Speaker 1: throw a name I keep hearing about, like you know,

1917
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: Zubac's name keeps coming up, right, that price tag seems

1918
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: to be a lot A guy that I loved coming

1919
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 1: out of college. And I have no idea how accessible

1920
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,959
Speaker 1: he would be. But I loved Mark Williams.

1921
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Speaker 7: That's that's the first name that came to mind too.

1922
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Speaker 1: Totally that style. And I have no idea what kind

1923
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:48,759
Speaker 1: of shooter he is. But he's uber athletic, right, that's yeah.

1924
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Speaker 6: For sure, But there's there's some health concerns if you

1925
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 6: consider what the Lakers did, and that was take back

1926
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 6: the trade and decline it due to health.

1927
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: There, that's right, And I can't remember what was it,

1928
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember leave his lower.

1929
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 7: Back something with his back if I think, yeah.

1930
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just but but you know that kind

1931
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 1: of in other words, a very athletic gazelle type. Big.

1932
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the game plan. But so I

1933
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,879
Speaker 1: see that, and then I see Huff as the fifteen

1934
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,840
Speaker 1: to twenty minute really nice rotational piece. I mean I

1935
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 1: think Huff has shown that he's got some skill set there.

1936
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Speaker 1: Then the question becomes, okay, if you go with like

1937
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 1: Potter for example, at your three, does that mean that

1938
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson becomes a power forward or is he out?

1939
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 7: That would suggest to me he would be out.

1940
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 1: I would agree with that.

1941
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 7: He's a guy.

1942
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Speaker 6: Let's go back to what I think your second question was,

1943
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 6: and I treat it with some comfort or not comfort,

1944
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 6: with some understanding given his injury, and that is I

1945
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 6: will never say that's an easy injury to come off of.

1946
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 6: But he's a guy I want to and need to

1947
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 6: see more from.

1948
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: By the way, Eddie, do you happen to have the

1949
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:00,719
Speaker 1: breaking news sound or my apologies hang on this set.

1950
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is out in Pittsburgh the Pittsburgh Steelers announcing

1951
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,640
Speaker 1: I believe a mutual departure. I don't know, uh, you

1952
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 1: know when we will get a list or excuse me

1953
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,719
Speaker 1: clarification on that Eddie is at correct.

1954
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 2: This is from Ian Rappaport Jake. Steelers coach Mike Tomlin

1955
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 2: has informed the team that he plans to step away

1956
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 2: from coaching, and Rapp also adds that he informed the

1957
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 2: team in a meeting. There has been a lot of

1958
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 2: you know, steam lately, and I believe Pro Football Talk

1959
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 2: had this either a week or two ago that there

1960
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,679
Speaker 2: was a lot of interest between Mike Tomlin and moving

1961
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 2: to television, so that could be in the works as well.

1962
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 1: Now, keep in mind, one of the things that the

1963
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: Steelers have always prided themselves on, preached a little bit

1964
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 1: is the fact of stability and solidarity within their coaching

1965
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,599
Speaker 1: position or their front office. He is just the third

1966
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 1: person to coach the Steelers since the Nixon administration, so

1967
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, Chuck Noell, obviously Bill Kawer, and now Mike Tomlin.

1968
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:05,799
Speaker 1: But that's a big one and we'll see what happens

1969
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 1: with that. We'll get more into that later. Scott back

1970
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: into the conversation. Yeah, Jackson for me, and I feel

1971
01:50:11,400 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 1: bad because and the one thing that worries me as

1972
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 1: well is even and I know Jackson is hurt currently

1973
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 1: Isaia Jackson for the Pacers, but different skill set of

1974
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: where it's needed perhaps, but considering that he is coming

1975
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: off of the same injury that Tyrese Halliburton is right

1976
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 1: now wading through, Jackson to me seemed to have lost

1977
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 1: some of his burst or athleticism at least to this point,

1978
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 1: and that worries me a little bit about Halliburton. But

1979
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:46,879
Speaker 1: is that apples to Oranges.

1980
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 6: I think it's a little bit apples to Oranges. I

1981
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,879
Speaker 6: haven't seen as much as a decrease in him unable

1982
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 6: to be himself as much as just lack of productivity.

1983
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 6: And for a guy that's in year five, Jake, the

1984
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 6: issues is still a thing I've realized in my years

1985
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 6: covering this league. Biggs are slower to develop than any

1986
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 6: other player. You have to give them two or three years.

1987
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:11,000
Speaker 6: But you're now in year five. You don't want to

1988
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 6: be dealing and still having these issues where your starting

1989
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,680
Speaker 6: center has two fouls in the first two minutes and

1990
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 6: fifteen seconds. And so it's those little things that bother

1991
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 6: me much more than a lack of burst or anything

1992
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 6: like that. I don't see that as much as just

1993
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 6: the productivity is not there for a guy who knows

1994
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 6: this system in this team.

1995
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 1: Okay, and Scott, I apologize for asking Scott agress my guests,

1996
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Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and Port guest line. He's with Fieldhouse files,

1997
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:41,080
Speaker 1: Scott Win, is the trade deadline.

1998
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 6: You have about less than a week or excuse me,

1999
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 6: less than a month here coming up?

2000
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,519
Speaker 1: So what is the is it before after Valentine's Day?

2001
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 1: Let me ask you that.

2002
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:56,559
Speaker 6: It's well before, it's a week before February sixth, Okay,

2003
01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 6: February fifth, I'm sorry, February fifth at three pm Eastern.

2004
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:06,800
Speaker 1: So let's just say hypothetically that on Valentine's Day, you

2005
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 1: decide to go out for dinner and you walk in

2006
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: and you see a pacer player who's enjoying a Valentine's

2007
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 1: Day dinner and you're like, well, that's wonderful. I'm assuming

2008
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 1: they're not playing on Valentine's Day night and that player

2009
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: has been Matheren. Would you be stunned to see him

2010
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at that time?

2011
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 6: I would not know, just because the Pacers have options

2012
01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 6: and also former lottery pick a guy that is productive

2013
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 6: that you don't just trade for anything out there. But

2014
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 6: it's definitely something to watch.

2015
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 1: Okay, because I think Scott, and I keep saying this,

2016
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,480
Speaker 1: you tell me if you sounds like you might disagree

2017
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,600
Speaker 1: to me. Matherin is the piece they will use to

2018
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:46,960
Speaker 1: try to get themselves the center.

2019
01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 6: It might have to be if you're trying to do

2020
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 6: it via trade, absolutely, but you also have the advantage

2021
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:55,600
Speaker 6: of time here in that. Look, this is not a

2022
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 6: championship or even maybe even a playoff team this season,

2023
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 6: so it doesn't necessarily have to be done at the

2024
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 6: trade deadline. Matherin will be a restricted free agent, which

2025
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 6: gives the team more control potentially than usual, and an

2026
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:11,080
Speaker 6: unrestricted this summer. But yes, that would be that he'd

2027
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 6: be the player I think that would that would be

2028
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 6: available that they could get the most four uh you know,

2029
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:20,599
Speaker 6: I if they could reach a deal, and you mentioned

2030
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 6: Zubac earlier, I don't think his contract's too bad at all.

2031
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 6: I think it's about twenty million. That's below the going

2032
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 6: rate for a starting center right now. And Mark Williams

2033
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,559
Speaker 6: will need a new contract. I look that up, and

2034
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 6: so that's something to consider in that front.

2035
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 2: Scott, I kind of pushed back on the notion of

2036
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:38,759
Speaker 2: they need to they could wait with trading mathering because

2037
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 2: you mentioned the he's a restricted free agent. Look at

2038
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 2: how that played out for Jonathan Kaminga and the Golden

2039
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 2: State Warriors. Look how it played out for DeAndre Ayden

2040
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 2: and the Phoenix Suns. Like it just hasn't worked out

2041
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 2: league wide between players and that team. So I just

2042
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,839
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, it's better off for the Pacers

2043
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 2: to trade Mathering now because I think the value of Mathering,

2044
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 2: even though he is injured, is probably going to be

2045
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 2: higher right now than it would be if you let

2046
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 2: him get to that restricted free agency, because there could

2047
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 2: be a team out there that signs him to an

2048
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 2: offer that the Pacers may not be willing to make,

2049
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:17,640
Speaker 2: and either they're gonna let him walk for nothing, or

2050
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 2: they're kind of going to get their hands caught behind

2051
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,720
Speaker 2: their back a little bit and tied and forced to

2052
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,640
Speaker 2: sign into a contract they don't want to sign him to,

2053
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 2: and then you're kind of stuck with that awful contract potentially,

2054
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 2: and you may not be able to get then what

2055
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:31,880
Speaker 2: you could now.

2056
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's several things to that. First of all, since

2057
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:39,480
Speaker 6: the new Collective Bargaining Agreement several years ago, restricted free agency,

2058
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 6: what we have seen has heavily favored the teams, and

2059
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 6: so in terms of other teams not really having cap

2060
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 6: space like we saw this past summer, which is why

2061
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 6: there was not much of a market for kaminga.

2062
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 7: So that would be advantageous to.

2063
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 6: Sign matherin at a lower number than maybe you would

2064
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 6: expect or he would like. Yet at the same time,

2065
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 6: another thing you could consider as a sign and trade.

2066
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 6: The Pacers did that with Malcolm Brogden, receiving him from

2067
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 6: the Bucks and sent a couple of picks to the Bucks,

2068
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 6: who wanted to move on from Brogden anyway. But that said,

2069
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 6: I think there's also a lot to say in terms

2070
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 6: of if you don't have plans for a player moving forward,

2071
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:24,240
Speaker 6: then you don't want to keep around it unhappy player,

2072
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 6: which is I think the primary thing you're getting at.

2073
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 6: And that's not to say, by the way, Matherin's unhappy

2074
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 6: or not. I don't think so either way. But I

2075
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,160
Speaker 6: did take note, like many probably that his Instagram photo

2076
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 6: is now black, that he has nothing in his profile.

2077
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 6: I don't know what that means, if anything, but it's

2078
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,720
Speaker 6: something of note with him as he currently sits out

2079
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 6: with multiple injuries, and I think that was probably the

2080
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 6: right move for him. Ultimately, here is not have to

2081
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 6: He's in a contract year, so he feels the need

2082
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 6: and the desire to play. But turf Toe's awful right

2083
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 6: sprain has definitely impacted his thumb in his shooting hand,

2084
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 6: and so it's good right now that he's also sitting

2085
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 6: out for himself and for the team.

2086
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: Scott, can you briefly and I'm going to throw you

2087
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 1: a curveball here and I apologize Scott agnsonfield House files.

2088
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:12,120
Speaker 1: But I know that there is an ongoing labor negotiation

2089
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 1: discussion within the WNBA that has hit like a couple

2090
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 1: of temporary stalls and then seems to progress and then

2091
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 1: step back. Where do things stand in thirty seconds or

2092
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 1: less of a synopsis there?

2093
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, So right now there has been no progress toward

2094
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 6: an agreement between the WNBA Players Association and the league.

2095
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:34,960
Speaker 6: They've renewed, if you will, for a short term situation,

2096
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:39,000
Speaker 6: the collective Bargaining Agreement a couple different times. That last

2097
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 6: one expired January ninth. In the meantime since then, they

2098
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 6: decided not to continue it on the league and the

2099
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 6: players have agreed to a moratorium where no other deals

2100
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,800
Speaker 6: can be signed because there was some fears some players

2101
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 6: might sign new deals but those would be covered in

2102
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 6: the old collective bargaining agreement that would be favored. So

2103
01:56:58,040 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 6: right now this is all stall out and there's no

2104
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 6: real clarity on when this might get done.

2105
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: You going to Miami, I am yes, you were in.

2106
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 1: Were you in the Peach Bowl?

2107
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 7: Yes, as well as the Rose Bul Okay.

2108
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 1: So between the Rose Bull and the Peach Bowl, which

2109
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: one had the larger percentage of Indiana.

2110
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 7: Fans easily the Peach Bowl?

2111
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 1: Okay? And you anticipate that percentage to be what for

2112
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:27,840
Speaker 1: the National Championship game? Hmmm, fifty to fifty?

2113
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:31,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, nah, I don't think so. I think it'll be

2114
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 6: slightly more Indiana fans just because the newness of this

2115
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 6: and how everybody is bought in to this situation. And

2116
01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 6: I think you're gonna have some Miami fans that get

2117
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 6: tickets and go, hey, look, I'll just watch it from home.

2118
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:46,120
Speaker 6: I can do the tailgating and then I'll go home

2119
01:57:46,160 --> 01:57:48,640
Speaker 6: and pay for my mortgage for four months.

2120
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair.

2121
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 5: Uh.

2122
01:57:50,920 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Do they win?

2123
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 7: I think so.

2124
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 6: Everything we've seen from this group, the thing, Jake that's

2125
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 6: been most impressive to me is not even the on

2126
01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:01,760
Speaker 6: field results. It's the new characteristics. It's the standard. It's

2127
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:04,040
Speaker 6: the discipline, it's the although it was not the case

2128
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,360
Speaker 6: this last game. It's the lack of penalties and in

2129
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 6: the bonehead plays that we have seen in the past,

2130
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:12,680
Speaker 6: and that stuff has mostly gone away since Signetti got here.

2131
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, bonehead plays was the motto of Indiana football for

2132
01:58:17,000 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 1: like one hundred years. Right, all right, well, Scott, cheer

2133
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:24,200
Speaker 1: them on. It'll be it's gonna be exciting. Obviously Monday.

2134
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: We'll probably talk to you before then, but certainly appreciate

2135
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:30,480
Speaker 1: the time. Pacers and action again tomorrow night, raptors that

2136
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 1: will be here at the field. I appreciate it, Scott,

2137
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 1: You've got thanks, Jake. It's gott Agnes joining us. Back

2138
01:58:35,200 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 1: to that Mike Tomlin situation, Eddie. That means, now, let's

2139
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 1: go off the top of our heads here, okay, coaching vacancies.

2140
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:49,240
Speaker 1: You have Baltimore looking, you have the Giants looking, You

2141
01:58:49,400 --> 01:59:02,640
Speaker 1: have the Steelers looking, Vegas, Arizona, Arizona, okay, Vegas? Who else? Atlanta? Okay?

2142
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 1: Do you have the Giants on there already? Yes? Yeah, Jets.

2143
01:59:06,760 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 1: Jets haven't made a move yet, right.

2144
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:13,520
Speaker 2: Jets are sticking with Aaron Glenn, the Dolphins, Okay, Cleveland,

2145
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 2: the Browns. So three of the four teams in the

2146
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 2: NFC North WILLI fresh coaches next year? You wonder Tennessee

2147
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:25,160
Speaker 2: the Titans they're on that list as well.

2148
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 1: Does this in any way.

2149
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,720
Speaker 2: And the Chargers fired Greg Roman, their offensive coordinator and

2150
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:34,000
Speaker 2: their offensive line coach today two.

2151
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:39,800
Speaker 1: So you have nine vacancies right now, correct, Ah, yes,

2152
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:45,520
Speaker 1: nearly one quarter of the league. I would have to

2153
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:51,280
Speaker 1: look that seems like a high number. Do you think

2154
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:55,360
Speaker 1: there's any chance that that factored into the thought process

2155
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:58,800
Speaker 1: from Carl Ursa Gordon about whether or not changes could

2156
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:02,480
Speaker 1: be made this year for INDIANAPO. Probably not.

2157
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean she said that she had her mind made

2158
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 2: up before the finale. Understood, she had told the coaches

2159
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:09,560
Speaker 2: before that understood.

2160
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:14,480
Speaker 1: But I mean, is there any you know, people in

2161
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:22,440
Speaker 1: elite position, people in coaching situations, business situations, ownership, whatever

2162
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:27,280
Speaker 1: it might be, they don't necessarily make their money based

2163
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:32,160
Speaker 1: on acumen of the now. Oftentimes they make their money

2164
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:38,040
Speaker 1: based on anticipation of the future. And is it possible

2165
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:44,640
Speaker 1: that there was an inventory done or a speculation or

2166
02:00:44,680 --> 02:00:50,520
Speaker 1: an analysis done through an inventory done league wide of

2167
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:56,320
Speaker 1: assessment where she said, you know what right now, knowing

2168
02:00:56,360 --> 02:00:59,080
Speaker 1: that we have no first round pick the next two years,

2169
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:02,240
Speaker 1: and knowing that we have question marks at the quarterback spot,

2170
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:06,320
Speaker 1: and knowing that we are in a division with a

2171
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:13,320
Speaker 1: rising Houston Texans and a competent Jacksonville Jaguars. Maybe it's

2172
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 1: in my best interest to wait a year where we

2173
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:20,280
Speaker 1: get a higher waiver order, if you will, a pecking

2174
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:26,320
Speaker 1: order for a coach that would be available and general manager. Maybe.

2175
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:28,720
Speaker 1: But I go back to what I said.

2176
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:33,000
Speaker 2: I think it was last week when Miami ultimately, you know,

2177
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:35,560
Speaker 2: they were going to stick with Mike McDaniel as their

2178
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:38,000
Speaker 2: head coach and try to find a GM to marry

2179
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 2: the two together. And at the end of the day

2180
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:43,240
Speaker 2: they started conducting these interviews and they ended up realizing

2181
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 2: that most of these GAM candidates probably did not want

2182
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:48,000
Speaker 2: to retain Mike McDaniel and was going to limit them

2183
02:01:48,040 --> 02:01:49,840
Speaker 2: in terms of who they wanted to potentially hire, and

2184
02:01:49,880 --> 02:01:53,360
Speaker 2: so they al they ultimately part ways with Mike Mcdanielan

2185
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 2: I would have to do some research on this. I

2186
02:01:56,040 --> 02:01:57,520
Speaker 2: can't tell you, Jake, And I don't know if you

2187
02:01:57,760 --> 02:02:00,760
Speaker 2: may be able to recall the last time we witnessed

2188
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:06,120
Speaker 2: a franchise fire just the general manager but keep the

2189
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:08,840
Speaker 2: head coach on, Like would it be the Colts the

2190
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 2: last time? Would they be the last team? They did

2191
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 2: it when they retained Chuck Pagano but got rid of

2192
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 2: Ryan Grigson, and then they brought in Chris Ballard for

2193
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:18,680
Speaker 2: one year with Chuck pmgano, Like, is that the last

2194
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:19,400
Speaker 2: time we've seen it?

2195
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 1: Because you don't see it anymore. You see the two.

2196
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:25,360
Speaker 2: Tied at the hip, And so did Carlier say Gordon

2197
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:28,240
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, let's see. I don't want to do that, Like,

2198
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:31,360
Speaker 2: I feel like you may have a coach and Shane Steikeen,

2199
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:34,200
Speaker 2: and so I kind of forced to stick with Chris

2200
02:02:34,240 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 2: Ballard for another season.

2201
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do feel like of the two, I really

2202
02:02:40,760 --> 02:02:42,680
Speaker 1: do think this. I think of the two right now,

2203
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:47,400
Speaker 1: like there's more ceiling to Shane Steikeen. I think there's

2204
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:51,440
Speaker 1: room for growth there. But I think overall I like

2205
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:58,040
Speaker 1: steiking now. Does it Is he a little bit hampered

2206
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:01,840
Speaker 1: by having to also call plays at set? Maybe? But

2207
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:06,840
Speaker 1: I like him, And you know, with Ballard, I just

2208
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:10,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that I'm talking too much out of

2209
02:03:10,600 --> 02:03:15,040
Speaker 1: school here by saying that, and I don't think that

2210
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm misrepresenting the pulse of the fan base and saying

2211
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:23,440
Speaker 1: do I think Chris Ballard has competency? Of course I don't.

2212
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:25,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a bubbling idiot by any stretch.

2213
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:28,840
Speaker 1: And do I think that he's had some bad luck

2214
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:36,040
Speaker 1: or some curveballs thrown his way. Yes, but I mean

2215
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 1: at some point you just have to say, yeah, it

2216
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,360
Speaker 1: just how long is too long? Here? How long do

2217
02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 1: you go with it? You know? Mike Tomlin is kind

2218
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:45,920
Speaker 1: of in the same category. I mean, I listen, I

2219
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:47,720
Speaker 1: like Mike Tomlin a lot. I think he's a good coach.

2220
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:51,000
Speaker 1: But how many years in a row now has Pittsburgh

2221
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:53,560
Speaker 1: just kind of been hanging right there in the middle

2222
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 1: right now?

2223
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 2: Ty's I think Marvin Lewis is the longest playoff losing streak.

2224
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 2: He's lost their last seven games.

2225
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:04,160
Speaker 1: And I know that, I know that the big calling

2226
02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:05,880
Speaker 1: card for him is that what he's never been under

2227
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:08,520
Speaker 1: five hundred yep, never the last handful of years. It

2228
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:10,360
Speaker 1: feels like he's hardly ever you know, two games or

2229
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:15,320
Speaker 1: more over it, right, I mean, that's the one challenge there.

2230
02:04:18,120 --> 02:04:26,960
Speaker 1: Now another question regarding Mike McDaniel, Eddie, you might as

2231
02:04:26,960 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 1: well go ahead and queue up like Ragtime music. Queue

2232
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:38,240
Speaker 1: up some Scott Joplin, que up some Glenn Miller band,

2233
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:44,360
Speaker 1: because what I'm about to say next is going to

2234
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:48,160
Speaker 1: make me the oldest I've ever sounded on this radio station,

2235
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:56,720
Speaker 1: I promise. Okay, all of us go through this. Not all.

2236
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm fortunate in this regard, but you have

2237
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 1: some moment of epiphany in your adulthood that you realize, gosh,

2238
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 1: my elders got really smart. They were smarter than I thought,

2239
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:21,760
Speaker 1: whether it's a parent, a coach, you know, a boss,

2240
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:27,040
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Now, it's taken a long time

2241
02:05:27,120 --> 02:05:31,360
Speaker 1: for me to come to this epiphany or the realization

2242
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 1: of the possibility of accuracy here. But years ago, when

2243
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:42,400
Speaker 1: I was working at Channel six and I was a

2244
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, I was not on the air guy. I

2245
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:46,840
Speaker 1: was kind of a behind the scenes editor, you know,

2246
02:05:47,080 --> 02:05:49,280
Speaker 1: mixing coffee, terran scripts, whatever might be. It was in

2247
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:51,680
Speaker 1: my early twenties. So you're me of this radio station.

2248
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:56,120
Speaker 1: Uh kind of yeah, like you. I did, you know,

2249
02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:57,840
Speaker 1: whatever it was needed. I was happy to do it

2250
02:05:57,880 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 1: and whatever else, and I loved every minute of it.

2251
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:01,280
Speaker 1: Now that's different than you, because I don't know that

2252
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:02,640
Speaker 1: you ever ad minute of being with me. But you

2253
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:03,360
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying.

2254
02:06:03,480 --> 02:06:06,320
Speaker 2: I know you love being with me every possible second, Jake.

2255
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:07,840
Speaker 2: That's why you get out of that chair and come

2256
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:09,600
Speaker 2: over here and talk to me every break I do.

2257
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:16,080
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there and that you're trying to give

2258
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 1: me to smell you. I have on a Joe Malone today,

2259
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:23,000
Speaker 1: which is a line based cologne. Did you notice it?

2260
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:27,800
Speaker 1: I have not noticed it. Now I'm just I'm not

2261
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:29,480
Speaker 1: going to lie to you. I just put my wrist

2262
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:31,080
Speaker 1: up to my nose. I'm just going to sit here

2263
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:39,440
Speaker 1: and arouse myself. Okay, that is tremendous. Wow, Well I'll

2264
02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:43,400
Speaker 1: tell you what you're legituminely. Just are you trying to

2265
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:44,720
Speaker 1: get high off yourself over there?

2266
02:06:44,840 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 5: Well?

2267
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:48,040
Speaker 1: No, I trust me. There's a natural effervescent high that

2268
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:50,960
Speaker 1: comes just through my own You know the best thing

2269
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:52,840
Speaker 1: about being me? Do you know the best thing about

2270
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:56,400
Speaker 1: being Jake Quarry? I get to be around Jake Quarry

2271
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 1: every day, so at any rate, all of a sudden,

2272
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:02,200
Speaker 1: that's the same Shannon. She has to say about that.

2273
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:07,480
Speaker 1: So she likes my naturals pharamondnes. So my dad says

2274
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:09,160
Speaker 1: to me one day, are you getting ready to go

2275
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 1: to work? And I said yeah, I think I was

2276
02:07:10,920 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 1: living at home at the time. I was a younger guy.

2277
02:07:13,240 --> 02:07:16,480
Speaker 1: And he says, dress like that. I said, well, Dad,

2278
02:07:16,520 --> 02:07:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm in like a dungeon, like nobody even sees me.

2279
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm just editing tape all day, like no one sees me.

2280
02:07:21,800 --> 02:07:24,120
Speaker 1: And I was wearing jeans in a sweatshirt or whatever.

2281
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:28,680
Speaker 1: And he said, but what if they did? And I thought,

2282
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,840
Speaker 1: he has no idea what he's talking about. And we

2283
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 1: live in you know, today's day and world. Very few

2284
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:37,320
Speaker 1: people wear a suit and tie anymore. I mean, I

2285
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:41,720
Speaker 1: get it. It's definitely a more casual workplace, and certainly

2286
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 1: in our line of work. I mean, I'm wearing jeans

2287
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 1: and a sweatshirt a T shirt today, you know, we're

2288
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:51,680
Speaker 1: not in the office complex and setting. But at the

2289
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:53,560
Speaker 1: time that my dad said it, I thought it was

2290
02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:57,440
Speaker 1: the craziest thing I'd ever heard. And now I'm older,

2291
02:07:57,480 --> 02:07:59,800
Speaker 1: and I think it's funny how my dad's gotten smarter.

2292
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:05,640
Speaker 1: I look at Mike McDaniel now. Mike McDaniel in his

2293
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:10,600
Speaker 1: four years in Miami nine and eight went to the playoffs,

2294
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:16,600
Speaker 1: lost in Wildcard game eleven and six went to the playoffs,

2295
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:22,480
Speaker 1: lost in the Wildcard Game eight, nine and seven and ten. Yes,

2296
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:25,040
Speaker 1: obviously the last two years they've dropped off, considering the

2297
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:30,400
Speaker 1: first two and only people that were down there that

2298
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:32,480
Speaker 1: are down there would know and what care do we

2299
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:37,839
Speaker 1: have in Indianapolis, Indiana about the Miami Dolphins? Right? Except

2300
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 1: for this, would Mike McDaniel still have his gig or

2301
02:08:43,360 --> 02:08:49,320
Speaker 1: be taken more seriously if his presentation was different? How

2302
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:56,760
Speaker 1: much of the way that he presented himself, both just

2303
02:08:56,840 --> 02:09:02,920
Speaker 1: kind of his eccentricities, but also his kind of dressing

2304
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:07,440
Speaker 1: like a slob, I mean standing on the more often

2305
02:09:07,480 --> 02:09:10,160
Speaker 1: than not. If you're familiar with Mike McDaniel, the head

2306
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:13,440
Speaker 1: coach of the Miami Dolphins, it's not for the deep

2307
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:16,080
Speaker 1: runs or the accomplishments of the Miami Dolphins over the

2308
02:09:16,160 --> 02:09:19,880
Speaker 1: last number of years. It's that you've seen him in

2309
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 1: memes or gift Jiff or whatever he uses and things

2310
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:29,600
Speaker 1: like that as the poster child of the sloppiness of

2311
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:33,360
Speaker 1: coaches on the sideline, the antithesis of Tom Landry. I'm

2312
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:37,360
Speaker 1: not saying you got to be Tom Landry, but the

2313
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 1: different coaches that you know, Tony Dungee at least wore

2314
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:46,080
Speaker 1: like a sweater vest and you know, in khaki pants.

2315
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:49,960
Speaker 2: I watched the Lway documentary and uh, there was a

2316
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,080
Speaker 2: coach wearing suit and tie.

2317
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:53,280
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was. It's by Tom Landry, Yes,

2318
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:57,360
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah. And a hat. Yes, I mean think

2319
02:09:57,400 --> 02:10:02,640
Speaker 1: about you know Lombardi, the hell's got at that. You know,

2320
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:06,760
Speaker 1: he's wearing his he's wearing his coat right and his hat. Yeah. Now,

2321
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you need to do that. I mean,

2322
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:11,160
Speaker 1: I get it, but McDaniel took it to a whole

2323
02:10:11,200 --> 02:10:14,760
Speaker 1: other level. I mean he's wearing sweatpants, like pulled halfway up,

2324
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:17,040
Speaker 1: like capri pants. And his hair looks like he just

2325
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:19,600
Speaker 1: got off a boat bender. It's like what And I.

2326
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:21,680
Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, hasn't washed it in like six days?

2327
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he just looked. And I hate to say this,

2328
02:10:27,240 --> 02:10:32,440
Speaker 1: but unfortunately, and I've never felt older than when I

2329
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:36,560
Speaker 1: say this, but I do think that there is some

2330
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:42,400
Speaker 1: level of truth in the fact that eventually the manner

2331
02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:45,000
Speaker 1: in which you are presenting things is going to be

2332
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:48,200
Speaker 1: reflected by the manner in which it's ingested and interpreted.

2333
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,480
Speaker 1: And if you were to look at the Miami Dolphins

2334
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:53,720
Speaker 1: and say, okay, nine to eight eleven and six, eight, nine,

2335
02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:57,640
Speaker 1: seven and ten, thirty five and thirty three overall, I mean,

2336
02:10:57,720 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 1: good lord, good lord, he should be the GM of

2337
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:06,920
Speaker 1: the colts Hell. You double that at least you got

2338
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:09,600
Speaker 1: seventy and sixty six instead of seventy seventy eight and one.

2339
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 1: But the manner in which in the way in which

2340
02:11:12,840 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 1: you present yourself I think goes a long way. And

2341
02:11:16,920 --> 02:11:20,919
Speaker 1: it looked like he was not somebody that was focused

2342
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:25,240
Speaker 1: on attention to detail. And I know that that's unfair,

2343
02:11:25,960 --> 02:11:27,760
Speaker 1: but I think there's an element of truth to it.

2344
02:11:29,960 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 1: I do. I think there's an element of truth to

2345
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 1: the way in which you like Kurt Signetti. Kurt Signetti

2346
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:41,840
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. What do you see when you look

2347
02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:46,200
Speaker 1: over at him? He's the most non athletic looking dude ever.

2348
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:51,960
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti looks like a computer. Yes, he's always probably

2349
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:55,160
Speaker 1: Well here's what he looks like if you to just

2350
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:59,880
Speaker 1: look at him. Kurt Signetti looks like he might be

2351
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:07,800
Speaker 1: like part sociopath and part like seventh grade small town

2352
02:12:08,120 --> 02:12:15,200
Speaker 1: in Idaho middle school science teacher. Right. He doesn't look

2353
02:12:15,240 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 1: like anything having to do with the game of football

2354
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:22,200
Speaker 1: or athletics at all. He's got kind of a bad haircut,

2355
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:27,000
Speaker 1: his glasses are like a little bit outdated. He just

2356
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 1: wears the hoodie and you know whatever. And but to

2357
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:34,400
Speaker 1: your point, Eddie, when you look at him. What you

2358
02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:38,600
Speaker 1: see is laser intent focus all the time. When the

2359
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:43,560
Speaker 1: camera catches him, he is, You're like, what is being

2360
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:46,920
Speaker 1: computed to your point? Inside that head, he's got the

2361
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:50,959
Speaker 1: notepet out, he's writing it down, and he looks entirely

2362
02:12:51,200 --> 02:12:56,720
Speaker 1: focused on detail and honed in, and he looks impermeable

2363
02:12:56,760 --> 02:13:02,879
Speaker 1: to distraction. And guess how his team play seemingly exactly

2364
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:07,280
Speaker 1: like that. They're everywhere where the ball is they're making

2365
02:13:08,040 --> 02:13:09,920
Speaker 1: There's one guy hitting the quarterback one way and the

2366
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:12,160
Speaker 1: other one's ready to pounce and spin them around whatever

2367
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:15,440
Speaker 1: it might be. They are literally right where they need

2368
02:13:15,480 --> 02:13:19,040
Speaker 1: to be all the time, completely laser focused on attention

2369
02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 1: to detail. And part of that is because you see

2370
02:13:22,200 --> 02:13:23,760
Speaker 1: it on the sideline of the coach and you just

2371
02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:27,520
Speaker 1: naturally associate it in your mind as interpretation of what

2372
02:13:27,680 --> 02:13:30,920
Speaker 1: is happening. And there are certain coaches like a Mike

2373
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:33,720
Speaker 1: McDaniel that you look at and when you see the

2374
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:35,400
Speaker 1: Dolphins and I don't want I mean, I don't watch

2375
02:13:35,440 --> 02:13:37,120
Speaker 1: a lot of Miami Dolphins games. I'm not in the

2376
02:13:37,120 --> 02:13:40,960
Speaker 1: Pocatela prison, but if I did, there are a lot

2377
02:13:41,000 --> 02:13:43,520
Speaker 1: of plays that would happen in Miami that I would

2378
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:47,840
Speaker 1: automatically associate in my mind as being sloppy or not

2379
02:13:47,960 --> 02:13:50,520
Speaker 1: having attention to detail, because I look at where it

2380
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:54,120
Speaker 1: comes from the top, and that's how it's presented. It's

2381
02:13:54,160 --> 02:14:01,600
Speaker 1: how it's presented. You want to know an odd theory.

2382
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:05,040
Speaker 1: I have a weird theory, Eddie, A weird one that's

2383
02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:07,520
Speaker 1: going to make you think that I literally sit around

2384
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:09,800
Speaker 1: doing nothing but waking up at two o'clock in the

2385
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:12,440
Speaker 1: morning and pulling tubes till five am with deep thoughts.

2386
02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:15,040
Speaker 2: Which is not true. Laid on me, Jake, laid on me.

2387
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:24,720
Speaker 1: I have a theory that you drive your car more carefully,

2388
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:30,560
Speaker 1: more aware, and probably get better fuel efficiency the two

2389
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:35,520
Speaker 1: days after you get a car wash or after you

2390
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:41,480
Speaker 1: get your oil changed and your brakes adjusted, Because when

2391
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 1: your car is clean and you clean it.

2392
02:14:43,120 --> 02:14:45,560
Speaker 2: Out, everything okay with the Jeep, by the way, I

2393
02:14:45,640 --> 02:14:47,360
Speaker 2: know you had some maintenance.

2394
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:50,360
Speaker 1: Running great, okay, yep, just had to get some brake change,

2395
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:51,920
Speaker 1: got a whole new engine in it running like a

2396
02:14:51,960 --> 02:14:53,400
Speaker 1: top knock on wood.

2397
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:58,560
Speaker 2: But so you andy your car both with heart replacements.

2398
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:02,400
Speaker 1: That is correct? That that well, I don't have a RIP.

2399
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't have a heart transplant, but yes, heart procedures correct.

2400
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:09,480
Speaker 1: That is correct. And if you don't mind me saying,

2401
02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:13,400
Speaker 1: so that car, that Jeep I have sleek and sexy. Okay,

2402
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 1: but the but you literally, I'm not kidding you. Does

2403
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:20,680
Speaker 1: anybody else notice this? When you pull out of the

2404
02:15:20,720 --> 02:15:25,000
Speaker 1: car wash, your car is glistening clean. You just put

2405
02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:28,800
Speaker 1: a fresh gas in it. You just find that you

2406
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:32,160
Speaker 1: drive a little more carefully because you are you have

2407
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:35,879
Speaker 1: a You're like, my car looks clean, it looks crisp,

2408
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:40,000
Speaker 1: So I want to take care of it. And I

2409
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:43,240
Speaker 1: think with coaches, when they look clean and crisp the team,

2410
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:45,440
Speaker 1: it feels like they're taking care of it and it's

2411
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:48,600
Speaker 1: running more smoothly. These are the kinds of things I

2412
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:50,280
Speaker 1: think about at three forty eight in the morning when

2413
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there staring at the ceiling and I can't sleep.

2414
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:58,120
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel another one of those in terms of what

2415
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:02,440
Speaker 2: you know. He's got there wearing slacks, sweaters, sweater vests.

2416
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's very button down right, Yeah, yeah, he's

2417
02:16:07,480 --> 02:16:11,440
Speaker 1: who are the Sean McVay. Sean mcvay's hair is always

2418
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:15,720
Speaker 1: like perfect, looks well groomed. I mean, he doesn't dress,

2419
02:16:15,720 --> 02:16:18,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't wear suits per se. But he's a very

2420
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:22,200
Speaker 1: in shape guy. He's a handsome guy. Kevin O'Connell Holey

2421
02:16:22,240 --> 02:16:29,080
Speaker 1: gets manicures. Do you ever get a manicure? No? Excuse me. Yeah,

2422
02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:31,000
Speaker 1: you get him sawing on the tortilla chips, but you

2423
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:33,520
Speaker 1: don't get the hands taken care of. That's correct. Yeah, okay.

2424
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:36,360
Speaker 1: Do you like it when they when they put the

2425
02:16:36,400 --> 02:16:38,480
Speaker 1: hot stones on either side of your calves? I just

2426
02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:44,960
Speaker 1: like it when they rip my feet. You got any

2427
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:47,440
Speaker 1: hair on the feet? No? You know Derek Schultz Harry

2428
02:16:47,440 --> 02:16:49,560
Speaker 1: foot guy. Yeah, it looks like Fred Funstone.

2429
02:16:49,560 --> 02:16:51,560
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he looks like Sasquatch already, so.

2430
02:16:52,480 --> 02:16:54,960
Speaker 1: He definitely does. Uh. JMB is here as part of

2431
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:56,400
Speaker 1: the crossover. I'm going to find out why he was

2432
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:58,440
Speaker 1: taking photos of all the cars in the parking lot.

2433
02:16:58,720 --> 02:17:01,320
Speaker 1: I would I would have, oh, what's going on there?

2434
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:03,400
Speaker 1: I definitely want to know what's going on there, and

2435
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:05,000
Speaker 1: we'll get back into what happened last night at the

2436
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:10,320
Speaker 1: field House next. That promo could probably be removed right,

2437
02:17:10,920 --> 02:17:14,160
Speaker 1: but I liked it. I noticed the host screwed up

2438
02:17:14,200 --> 02:17:17,039
Speaker 1: there in the tees what I say? So coming up

2439
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:18,080
Speaker 1: on Tuesday.

2440
02:17:17,640 --> 02:17:24,439
Speaker 2: Will recap Pacers and Celtics is Tuesday.

2441
02:17:24,440 --> 02:17:27,680
Speaker 1: For some reason that that today was Monday. Today's Tuesday. Well,

2442
02:17:27,720 --> 02:17:29,640
Speaker 1: it's because you weren't here yesterday. I know it feels

2443
02:17:29,640 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 1: like Monday for me. Yeah, you had the four day weekend, right. Yeah?

2444
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:36,640
Speaker 1: Now what day did you get back from lant Pacers

2445
02:17:36,680 --> 02:17:38,360
Speaker 1: last night? By the way, that Celtics. We are about

2446
02:17:38,360 --> 02:17:40,200
Speaker 1: to recap that and I will give you the secret

2447
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:42,000
Speaker 1: sauce as we talked about over the course of today

2448
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:45,880
Speaker 1: against Miami, which is to take advantage of Miami's or

2449
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:48,600
Speaker 1: forced turnovers for Miami, because that is one area where

2450
02:17:48,959 --> 02:17:52,720
Speaker 1: the Hurricanes are susceptible. Eddie. You went to the Peach Bowl.

2451
02:17:52,760 --> 02:17:54,240
Speaker 1: We mentioned that off the top of the show. You

2452
02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:57,119
Speaker 1: broke down on Friday, got there basically right at game time.

2453
02:17:57,680 --> 02:17:59,360
Speaker 1: But did you then, I know you had to get

2454
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:01,240
Speaker 1: back yesterday because you were doing the photo shoot with

2455
02:18:01,240 --> 02:18:03,240
Speaker 1: the Oregon Head as part of the Big the Big

2456
02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:07,800
Speaker 1: Head Association. But our federation did you come back Sunday?

2457
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:10,520
Speaker 2: We left Saturday afternoon?

2458
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:13,400
Speaker 1: So did you do anything fun in Atlanta?

2459
02:18:13,800 --> 02:18:14,000
Speaker 6: We?

2460
02:18:14,200 --> 02:18:16,440
Speaker 2: Uh, well, well, yes, we went to the Peach Bowl

2461
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:18,959
Speaker 2: aside from that the Chick fil A peachbol Yeah, we

2462
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:21,240
Speaker 2: went to the Georgia Aquarium because it's renowned as one

2463
02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:24,880
Speaker 2: of the best aquariums in the country. So we went there. Yes,

2464
02:18:24,920 --> 02:18:27,960
Speaker 2: we did. Uh, that was really cool. They had some

2465
02:18:28,480 --> 02:18:32,360
Speaker 2: endangered and some exotic fish there that typically aren't at

2466
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:35,960
Speaker 2: other aquariums, and they had this neat little exhibit. I

2467
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:40,160
Speaker 2: don't know if it's exhibit, but you can track like

2468
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:42,760
Speaker 2: certain animals or where they've like like they've had them,

2469
02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:44,840
Speaker 2: like they rescued them and then they released them back

2470
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:47,880
Speaker 2: out into their natural habitat, in their natural home in

2471
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:50,000
Speaker 2: the ocean, and they put trackers on them so like

2472
02:18:50,440 --> 02:18:52,320
Speaker 2: you can track them. And they have like these bracelets

2473
02:18:52,360 --> 02:18:56,360
Speaker 2: that are dedicated to specific you know, animals that are

2474
02:18:56,400 --> 02:18:59,120
Speaker 2: out there and in the water. Then we went to

2475
02:18:59,360 --> 02:19:01,560
Speaker 2: walked over to the Coca Cola I don't know what

2476
02:19:01,640 --> 02:19:03,760
Speaker 2: it is, factory Museum or whatever the heck it is.

2477
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:06,640
Speaker 1: We walked there, drove around downtown Atlanta for a little bit.

2478
02:19:06,640 --> 02:19:07,879
Speaker 1: That's right about the Olympic Park.

2479
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:12,400
Speaker 2: Yes, both of the aquarium and the Coca Cola place

2480
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:13,480
Speaker 2: is right there by Olympic Park.

2481
02:19:13,600 --> 02:19:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we walked through that.

2482
02:19:16,160 --> 02:19:18,480
Speaker 2: And went to the Brave Stadium, drove around there and

2483
02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:19,720
Speaker 2: what's about it.

2484
02:19:19,720 --> 02:19:22,000
Speaker 1: It's a major metropolitan.

2485
02:19:21,320 --> 02:19:23,720
Speaker 2: Area though right it reminded me a little bit of Seattle.

2486
02:19:24,840 --> 02:19:28,280
Speaker 1: I could see that similar size, but near as naturally

2487
02:19:28,280 --> 02:19:31,480
Speaker 1: beautiful as Seattle. No, and you didn't bring back any

2488
02:19:31,520 --> 02:19:34,160
Speaker 1: of your candy, right, not that you know of. Okay,

2489
02:19:34,720 --> 02:19:36,200
Speaker 1: J and B is a ride. We're going to find

2490
02:19:36,200 --> 02:19:40,480
Speaker 1: out what the slew thing was. So John, I'm doing

2491
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:43,680
Speaker 1: the show here. And as you know, by sitting in

2492
02:19:43,680 --> 02:19:45,040
Speaker 1: this situation.

2493
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:46,840
Speaker 5: And you get see spy on everybody's ass down there,

2494
02:19:47,000 --> 02:19:47,400
Speaker 5: I can.

2495
02:19:47,320 --> 02:19:50,200
Speaker 1: See the whole parking lot right, and I can watch

2496
02:19:50,280 --> 02:19:52,800
Speaker 1: those that are parking lot is very tight, and so

2497
02:19:52,840 --> 02:19:55,080
Speaker 1: I can watch those that are circling around like buzzards

2498
02:19:55,080 --> 02:19:57,080
Speaker 1: waiting for a spot to open up. That's always fun.

2499
02:19:57,480 --> 02:20:00,480
Speaker 1: And I looked out today and I still to giggling

2500
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:01,959
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, I don't know what's going on.

2501
02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:03,840
Speaker 1: But J ANDV has parked his car and it's now

2502
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 1: getting out and he's taking pictures out there. Ye're like

2503
02:20:06,680 --> 02:20:07,880
Speaker 1: Ansel Adams, up I did.

2504
02:20:07,879 --> 02:20:10,879
Speaker 5: I took pictures of a car that's parked right in

2505
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:13,080
Speaker 5: the center of two And you mentioned there's not a

2506
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:16,440
Speaker 5: lot of parking spots out here, and it's literally backed

2507
02:20:16,440 --> 02:20:18,440
Speaker 5: in to two and I want to find out who

2508
02:20:18,440 --> 02:20:22,160
Speaker 5: it is and see how they like their car windows

2509
02:20:22,200 --> 02:20:30,240
Speaker 5: soapd because it's coming. Is it absolutely coming? It's a

2510
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:34,640
Speaker 5: white car, I do not. Does he know who it is?

2511
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:40,119
Speaker 5: I don't know who it is. So to explain here, well,

2512
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:43,280
Speaker 5: I'm all find out. We have very thin parking spots.

2513
02:20:43,400 --> 02:20:46,200
Speaker 5: And to your point, this car is straddled over so

2514
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:50,040
Speaker 5: that the left side, it's right in the middle, right

2515
02:20:50,040 --> 02:20:53,080
Speaker 5: in the middle, seconds right. You cannot take up too

2516
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:54,400
Speaker 5: with a car like that.

2517
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:56,879
Speaker 2: There was another one doing it on the other side

2518
02:20:57,080 --> 02:20:58,920
Speaker 2: as well, but that was a pickup truck.

2519
02:20:59,240 --> 02:21:02,959
Speaker 1: Now I have done that before when I have been

2520
02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:06,119
Speaker 1: in situations where if some I was at a restaurant

2521
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:10,680
Speaker 1: once and some guy parked diagonally backwards so that it

2522
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:15,400
Speaker 1: took out four spots. Yeah, four of them. Yeah, And

2523
02:21:15,520 --> 02:21:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, so I just went ahead and parked

2524
02:21:17,800 --> 02:21:20,240
Speaker 1: my car in the one way so that he then

2525
02:21:20,320 --> 02:21:21,560
Speaker 1: had no way to get out. Yeah.

2526
02:21:21,800 --> 02:21:24,560
Speaker 5: This is I mean really, And I would know this

2527
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:27,760
Speaker 5: because I've really transitioned to such a douchebag the way

2528
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:29,720
Speaker 5: that you guys have watched this over the past year

2529
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:30,160
Speaker 5: and a half.

2530
02:21:30,200 --> 02:21:31,080
Speaker 1: And I can't help it.

2531
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:34,359
Speaker 5: I'm not going to avalanche or a downhill slide into douchary.

2532
02:21:35,640 --> 02:21:40,200
Speaker 5: I recognize douchebaggery easily now because I am one, and

2533
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:44,080
Speaker 5: there is that represents exactly a high level of douchery.

2534
02:21:44,200 --> 02:21:46,280
Speaker 1: There are three kinds of people that you can never

2535
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:50,240
Speaker 1: trust in the world. Three people that don't know how

2536
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:53,440
Speaker 1: to deboard an airplane in the proper fashion on people

2537
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:55,760
Speaker 1: that don't use a voice when a dog voice when

2538
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:56,600
Speaker 1: talking to animals.

2539
02:21:57,320 --> 02:21:59,039
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, I got that.

2540
02:21:59,440 --> 02:22:02,760
Speaker 1: And people that cannot follow simple instruction in a parking

2541
02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:06,440
Speaker 1: lot or return their cart in the slot in the groceries. Yeah,

2542
02:22:07,320 --> 02:22:07,720
Speaker 1: that's it.

2543
02:22:07,879 --> 02:22:13,520
Speaker 5: Those are all fairly easy and certainly reasonable rules of

2544
02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:15,160
Speaker 5: a life existence right there.

2545
02:22:15,400 --> 02:22:17,600
Speaker 1: Certainly reasonable, I think, really.

2546
02:22:17,879 --> 02:22:20,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not talking about hurting the vehicle, but

2547
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:21,800
Speaker 5: soaping the windows.

2548
02:22:22,080 --> 02:22:23,039
Speaker 1: What would you soap on it?

2549
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Speaker 5: Well, I got a bar coast on the car in

2550
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:27,280
Speaker 5: just a case. But I mean, what would you write

2551
02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:30,560
Speaker 5: huh oh No, we're just yeah, we kind of do

2552
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:32,840
Speaker 5: it right in areas of vision right there, So you

2553
02:22:32,879 --> 02:22:35,160
Speaker 5: have to go out and tend to it. You not

2554
02:22:35,240 --> 02:22:37,240
Speaker 5: do that in Halloween? Did you not soap windows on

2555
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:38,600
Speaker 5: the north side of Indianapolis.

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02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't carry around that extra bar in the coast case.

2557
02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:46,199
Speaker 5: Right, Eddie, did you soap windows during Halloween over?

2558
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:48,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you that. I'll tell you the

2559
02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:50,080
Speaker 1: one thing that I did not do this, But it

2560
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:51,959
Speaker 1: was done at North Central, And I don't think people

2561
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:55,520
Speaker 1: realize that any of it is life saving somebody's car. Yeah,

2562
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:57,360
Speaker 1: if you put the lifesaver on the car and it

2563
02:22:57,400 --> 02:22:58,959
Speaker 1: melts into the paint and you can't get it off

2564
02:22:59,000 --> 02:23:00,720
Speaker 1: with that now that I'm not going to do anything

2565
02:23:00,760 --> 02:23:01,200
Speaker 1: to hurt it.

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02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:03,280
Speaker 5: But I'm on and we're going to add a little

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02:23:03,320 --> 02:23:05,800
Speaker 5: more work because I mean, essentially, it adds a lot

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02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:08,080
Speaker 5: of work to to folks out.

2569
02:23:08,120 --> 02:23:10,200
Speaker 1: There's somebody else skulking around looking at the car. They're

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02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:12,280
Speaker 1: looking at the car. They're double back, They're doubling back

2571
02:23:12,320 --> 02:23:14,400
Speaker 1: to the car. They're doubling back to the car. Did

2572
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:16,360
Speaker 1: you find the culprit? They might be taking a photo.

2573
02:23:16,400 --> 02:23:19,240
Speaker 1: Also might be taking a photo. No, no, no, I

2574
02:23:19,320 --> 02:23:21,200
Speaker 1: think we might have found the culprit. I think she

2575
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:24,120
Speaker 1: might I just gave away gender. Sorry, might be getting

2576
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:25,920
Speaker 1: in the car.

2577
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:29,160
Speaker 5: No, no, that is no, no, no, that is that

2578
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:29,640
Speaker 5: her car.

2579
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:33,400
Speaker 2: I think I think that person may have gone to

2580
02:23:33,440 --> 02:23:34,800
Speaker 2: the back to check the license.

2581
02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:38,560
Speaker 5: But we teach a lesson. I got to teach a lesson.

2582
02:23:38,600 --> 02:23:39,200
Speaker 5: I can't help it.

2583
02:23:39,360 --> 02:23:41,280
Speaker 1: Eddie might be right. I think that was actually a

2584
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:42,400
Speaker 1: license plate check.

2585
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:49,000
Speaker 5: Oh, somebody went out. They might be calling because I'm

2586
02:23:49,000 --> 02:23:52,080
Speaker 5: a big ass rat, right man to me, the toe man,

2587
02:23:53,080 --> 02:23:54,000
Speaker 5: I'm a squealer.

2588
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm a rat.

2589
02:23:54,959 --> 02:23:57,640
Speaker 5: I told you, I can't help it. Somebody, Can somebody

2590
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:01,039
Speaker 5: save me from my douchiary? Can somebody do? Jake, you're

2591
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:03,200
Speaker 5: kind of you're a little bit down the douche path too,

2592
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:05,440
Speaker 5: so I don't think you can say what Wait, wait, wait,

2593
02:24:06,400 --> 02:24:09,879
Speaker 5: I want to know. Darick Schultz told me that for years.

2594
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:11,960
Speaker 5: I don't think you're a douche. But Derrek Schultz thinks

2595
02:24:11,959 --> 02:24:15,520
Speaker 5: you're a high level one. Well consider the sorts here.

2596
02:24:15,800 --> 02:24:20,200
Speaker 5: Everything's high level to him. He's come on, I'd like

2597
02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:22,240
Speaker 5: to know what. I'd like to know what? What world?

2598
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:24,600
Speaker 1: How did I get roped into this? I ever done?

2599
02:24:25,160 --> 02:24:28,480
Speaker 1: You know what's on the big program now? Mike Tomlin

2600
02:24:28,560 --> 02:24:29,320
Speaker 1: out at Pittsburgh.

2601
02:24:29,520 --> 02:24:33,800
Speaker 5: I saw that Steve Walsh, the former Miami quarterback, former

2602
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:38,119
Speaker 5: Colts quarterback Dun Cruizann former Hoosier if you remember Rosewall

2603
02:24:38,200 --> 02:24:41,280
Speaker 5: sixty seven played in the NFL with the Dolphins and Jake,

2604
02:24:41,879 --> 02:24:45,240
Speaker 5: one of our all time favorites. Luther Campbell saw that

2605
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:47,640
Speaker 5: Uncle Luke is coming on the show.

2606
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:48,760
Speaker 1: Your favorite song by them?

2607
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:51,280
Speaker 5: Uh, get the Blank out of My House?

2608
02:24:51,640 --> 02:24:55,000
Speaker 1: I loved band in the USA. Yes, I got blank

2609
02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:56,240
Speaker 1: Martinez is a good one.

2610
02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:58,920
Speaker 5: Well, you know, Get the Blank out of My House

2611
02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:02,560
Speaker 5: is the B side mesa Horny Okay on vinyl.

2612
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:08,480
Speaker 1: You know the I Miso Horny. The song came out

2613
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:12,520
Speaker 1: before I had ever seen full Metal Jacket. So when yeah,

2614
02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:15,840
Speaker 1: when she comes out, I know right everything you want.

2615
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:17,959
Speaker 1: That's the beginning of So in the movie, I'm waiting

2616
02:25:17,959 --> 02:25:18,480
Speaker 1: for the song.

2617
02:25:18,360 --> 02:25:21,560
Speaker 5: To come on when he says sitting at home watching

2618
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,760
Speaker 5: our senial hall, Yeah, to keep it clean, instead of

2619
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:28,120
Speaker 5: what they really said. I want to know how they

2620
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:30,560
Speaker 5: came up with sitting at home watching our senial hall.

2621
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:32,000
Speaker 5: Was that them? Or do you think that was a

2622
02:25:32,040 --> 02:25:34,160
Speaker 5: record executive saying if this is going to get any

2623
02:25:34,240 --> 02:25:38,000
Speaker 5: radio airplay whatsoever, we're gonna have to substitute for staying

2624
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:40,199
Speaker 5: at home being very aroused.

2625
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:43,840
Speaker 1: I would think that it probably was because at that

2626
02:25:44,080 --> 02:25:47,880
Speaker 1: time it meant something within the hip hop world in particular,

2627
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:50,480
Speaker 1: but pop culturally in general to go on our Senio Hall, right,

2628
02:25:50,560 --> 02:25:52,760
Speaker 1: so it probably was like a so I hail Mary

2629
02:25:52,760 --> 02:25:54,240
Speaker 1: to try to go on our Sonia. Were you ever?

2630
02:25:54,400 --> 02:25:57,760
Speaker 5: Are you disappointed when you hear the lyric goes sitting

2631
02:25:57,840 --> 02:26:00,840
Speaker 5: at home watching our senial Hall, much like a disappointed

2632
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:05,360
Speaker 5: when you know that they skip over the the pheb

2633
02:26:05,440 --> 02:26:06,240
Speaker 5: Kate's getting.

2634
02:26:05,959 --> 02:26:07,879
Speaker 1: Out of the cool scene or the extra scenes in

2635
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:09,760
Speaker 1: fast time that you're like, I don't remember this, be like, oh, yeah,

2636
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:11,440
Speaker 1: they had to put this into makeup for the stuff

2637
02:26:11,440 --> 02:26:13,440
Speaker 1: they to take out. Yeah, there's nothing worse than the clean.

2638
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:17,040
Speaker 5: Yepika mister Falcon, yeah on diehard.

2639
02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the extra lyrics and to clean up

2640
02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:21,600
Speaker 1: a song will always tearing.

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02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,720
Speaker 5: I don't even think it's necessary these days because everybody now,

2642
02:26:24,879 --> 02:26:26,480
Speaker 5: no matter what age, And I don't know if that's

2643
02:26:26,480 --> 02:26:29,400
Speaker 5: a sadness or not, but everybody is privy to what

2644
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:33,119
Speaker 5: is being said. I don't even think like radio wives here,

2645
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:36,280
Speaker 5: why should we have to hold back? Nobody holds back

2646
02:26:36,320 --> 02:26:39,000
Speaker 5: except for us, that's right, Why do we That's right?

2647
02:26:39,360 --> 02:26:45,119
Speaker 5: Just curious family friend Live yep Uncle Luke at five

2648
02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:47,080
Speaker 5: thirty with the dumb button going there.

2649
02:26:47,160 --> 02:26:50,360
Speaker 1: James jmv is next. We will be back with you

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02:26:50,440 --> 02:26:52,120
Speaker 1: at noon tomorrow, and I thank you for listening to

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Speaker 1: Quary Company.