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Speaker 1: So Hammer and Nigel show. Hello, my name is Nigel

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Speaker 1: Jason Hammer right over there, and we have a plunch

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Speaker 1: of awesome in studio guests.

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Speaker 2: This is the safest place in Indiana right now. I'm

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Speaker 2: just telling you that right now. First, I will introduce

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Speaker 2: a friend of our show, FLP President Rick Snyder.

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Speaker 3: Rick.

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Speaker 2: I see you've brought some guests from North Carolina with

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Speaker 2: you today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guys, we've been going all over the capital city today.

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Speaker 4: This is a delegation from our counterparts over in North

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Speaker 4: Carolina with the Fraternal Order of Police over there. This

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Speaker 4: is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Back in twenty twenty four, we had Hurricane Helen, and

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Speaker 4: you guys were awesome in that you helped raise awareness

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Speaker 4: of the needs that were going on over there. You

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Speaker 4: let me call in and talk live when we could

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Speaker 4: get a phone signal out of Asheville, North Carolina area,

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Speaker 4: and you'll remember the need that was there. We had

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Speaker 4: people that lost their entire homes, officers and their families

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Speaker 4: while they were out serving the rest of the community.

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Speaker 4: And you guys helped make it possible for your audience

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Speaker 4: and so many people throughout Central Indiana to help donate

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Speaker 4: with relief supplies. We got those taken over there in

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Speaker 4: a semi and delivered to these folks and helped get

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Speaker 4: them back on their feet. And what's really cool is

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Speaker 4: they wanted to come all the way back to Indianapolis

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Speaker 4: just to simply say thank you to you guys and

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Speaker 4: your audience.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. So who do we have here, Rick, So.

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Speaker 4: We've got Cheed Effler, who is the state president for

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Speaker 4: the North Carolina State FOP. And we've got Mary Merritt,

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Speaker 4: who is a chaplain with the Asheville North Carolina FOP.

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Speaker 4: She's also a retired officer. And tragically, Mary was one

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Speaker 4: of the first ladies that I encountered when I got

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Speaker 4: the specific people that you guys and your audience literally

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Speaker 3: Mary.

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Speaker 2: We've heard your story told very passionately from Rick, And

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just such a loaded question, but

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Speaker 2: how are you? How are things going?

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Speaker 3: Things are going much better. We're working on our rebuild

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Speaker 3: still and but I had never lost my faith, and

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Speaker 3: with support from the FOP and Rick Snyder, and when

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Speaker 3: I found out later you guys drumming up support for

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Speaker 3: through the local radio once once they were able to

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Speaker 3: much better. I'm so thankful, so.

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Speaker 1: Grateful, thankful.

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Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for the opportunity to come up here

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Speaker 1: And really Hammer and Rick and Chett and Mary and

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Speaker 1: everybody else that you brought in. My thing is like

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Speaker 1: you guys the law enforcement charged with protecting the citizens.

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Speaker 1: Of course citizens need help, but who's watching your guys back?

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Speaker 1: And that that's what you were doing there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you remember I shared with you guys. You know,

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Speaker 4: one of the first things we did when we got there,

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Speaker 1: That'll choke you up right there, just that loud Yeah, wow.

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Speaker 2: Chet, let me go to you. We live in a

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Speaker 2: It's been a little bit since that hurricane caused such

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Speaker 5: You know what's really interesting through this whole process is

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Speaker 5: There's still people in the state of Indiana that are

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Speaker 5: being a part of the state law enforcement unit that

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Speaker 5: And there was just so much that happened during that

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Speaker 5: We were colleagues in law enforcement early on in my career,

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Speaker 5: And you know, that's one of the important things about

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Speaker 2: And Mary, at what point did you realize that your

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Speaker 2: And was there a moment where you realized there's a

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Speaker 3: Oh? Sure? And the people that flooded into our community

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Speaker 3: was hard to imagine once they could get there, you know.

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Speaker 3: Hearing the helicopters twenty four to seven made a real impact.

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Speaker 3: And those were people that we didn't know. They were

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Speaker 2: And Rick, you and I have a lot of conversations

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Speaker 2: about the worst of the worst of society. Sure, as

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Speaker 2: You know, officers who have been shot and killed in

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Speaker 2: it kind of restores your faith a little bit, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was remarkable seeing it in person,

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Speaker 4: And so to watch Neighbor, Loving neighbor. You know how

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Speaker 4: many times have I said it on your show. We're

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Speaker 4: called the love God and love our neighbor. These folks

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Speaker 4: And you'll remember those photographs. We stocked their FOP to

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Speaker 4: Now here's the key, true cop stuff. Once the officers

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Speaker 2: Just a moment, I do want to get your thoughts

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Speaker 2: But Chet, before we hit a break here, I want

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Speaker 2: listening right now. We've got a strong signal. This is

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Speaker 2: What would be your message to anybody that either helped

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Speaker 2: for the people in your state.

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Speaker 5: I think the most important thing for people to know

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Speaker 5: and I just want you to know that the smallest

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Speaker 5: donation reached someone and the smallest donation was appreciated. We

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Speaker 5: had people. I mean I made a call to some

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Speaker 5: command center. I'm having to do my state duties, but

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Speaker 5: we need help. We're going to have first honors that

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Speaker 5: need to be fed. We had other people who sent

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Speaker 5: borrowed food trailer fed sixteen thousand public safety workers and

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Speaker 5: mer fed sixteen thousand meals to public safety workers. And

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Speaker 5: I think that is critical to the fact that the

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Speaker 5: their care and love was shown to everyone in the

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Speaker 5: state of North Carolina and we love them well.

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Speaker 2: Check God bless the people the officers of your state.

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Speaker 5: Mary.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time I've ever met you, but

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Speaker 2: I feel like I know you just from hearing the

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Speaker 2: stories from Rick. It's an honor to meet you. God

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Speaker 2: bless you. Thank you so much. For coming in in

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Speaker 2: studio with Rick Snyder, President of the FOP Lodge eighty

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Speaker 2: sixth here in Indie. Rick, again, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for bringing this awesome crew to Indie and very humbled

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Speaker 2: that you guys thought of us, so thank you, guys.

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Speaker 2: I do want to get your thoughts on what we

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Speaker 2: all saw in Minnesota yesterday. There's a million different angles

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Speaker 2: like she's backing up, then she goes forward. There's an

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Speaker 2: telling her to comply. She does none of that. Next thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, shots are fired when it looks like she

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Speaker 2: I'm curious as to your perspective.

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Speaker 4: Well as always as I always share with you guys.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the simple answer is this, who the heck knows?

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're all going off of just video clips

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Speaker 4: caution community the community about is don't just go off

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Speaker 4: what you think you're seeing in a video clip. It's

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Speaker 4: important for an investigation to be done, and we know

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Speaker 4: that's going to get done, and I think you got

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Speaker 4: to be patient and allow that to play out. I

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Speaker 4: think set all that aside, the specific example in Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: I think you then have to look at what we

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Speaker 4: do know, which is that officers across this country are

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Speaker 4: They require the officers to respond, oftentimes with force that

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Speaker 4: can result in death. But you know, the facts are this.

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Speaker 4: You got to remember here in Indianapolis, even do you

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Speaker 4: you know, And people say, you know, again, set this

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Speaker 4: people would say, well, the suspect in that didn't have

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Speaker 4: which is the equivalent of several hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 4: I just think a fair point is always this, in

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Speaker 4: every very single one of these questionable or what gets

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Speaker 4: and that is compliance versus non compliance with lawful commands

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Speaker 4: by law enforcement officers. So I always ask the same question.

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Speaker 4: Tell me any other party within the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 4: If there was a judge standing in a black robe

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Speaker 4: that was a legitimate thing to do to the judge? Absolutely,

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Speaker 4: Not a prosecutor, the chief of police, a sheriff, anybody

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Speaker 4: this is, it's going to be an absolute political it

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Speaker 4: already is it already is. People are going to politicize it.

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Speaker 4: And the problem is this, it's an absolute tragedy. Somebody

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Speaker 4: and we're all left picking up the pieces.

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Speaker 5: Rick.

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Speaker 2: We always appreciate your honesty, and thank you so much

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Speaker 2: again for bringing this awesome crew from North Carolina in

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Speaker 2: with you today. We appreciate you. God bless you guys.

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Speaker 2: Be safe, safe travels and you're in the state of Indiana,

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Speaker 2: so it's okay to root for the Hoosiers tomorrow. Okay,

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Speaker 2: just remember that it's the Hammer and Nigel Show.