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Speaker 1: Steven Holder joins US now, and I'm sure thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be doing so. Based on that segue, he is with

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Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com Colts Get except for the Las Vegas Raiders. Steven,

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Speaker 1: I'll begin with this, did you happen to notice you're

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Speaker 1: a fashionable guy? I would say that in the sixty

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Speaker 1: two point six percent of the times that I have

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Speaker 1: seen you outside of a work setting, you are wearing

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Speaker 1: a baseball cap of some sort. Have you seen the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Indians redesigned uniforms?

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Speaker 2: No? I haven't. Well, in a minute, I saw a

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Speaker 2: tweet referencing it, but I don't know if I saw

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Speaker 2: the actual uniform. But now that you mention it, I

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Speaker 2: got to google it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm going to send you during the court

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Speaker 1: because I can multitask like there's nobody's nobody's business.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the computer. Okay, let's let's look.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's go go to go to the Indians

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Indians dot com or whatnot. And then if you

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Speaker 1: go to obviously under shop.

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Speaker 2: Well, I see the hat. Okay, I see the hat?

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Speaker 2: Is it? Is it the one with the I N

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Speaker 2: D Y.

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Speaker 3: You were just mentioning.

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Speaker 1: Correct, there's that, and then there's one with the old

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Speaker 1: and you know script kind of block eye from the

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Speaker 1: nineteen o two season. I personally believe both these to

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Speaker 1: be very clean looking hats, as the kids would say

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Speaker 1: your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I so. I see the one you're

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Speaker 2: I see the the interlocking I N D Y one,

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Speaker 2: not seeing the the retro one you're talking about. But

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Speaker 2: I do like this, and I think I see the

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Speaker 2: one you're talking about. Is it? What's the what was

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Speaker 2: the second one?

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Speaker 1: By the way, okay, the first one if you go

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Speaker 1: under just so that they have on their caps themselves. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they have the I N D Y which is the

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Speaker 1: new one, but then they have an alternate hat that

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Speaker 1: they're also wearing, which is a navy blue hat, and

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Speaker 1: then the white letter I on there is it says

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Speaker 1: Navy road clean and it's just it's like an ark

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Speaker 1: that Yeah, yeah, that's the that is the script that

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Speaker 1: is cool. Yeah, that's the script I that they had

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Speaker 1: in nineteen oh two when they first came out.

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Speaker 2: I see it. Yeah, I see the difference. I like them.

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Speaker 2: I do. I might have to get one. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't love the the nineteen forty seven one, I

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Speaker 2: guess is that is that what we're talking.

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Speaker 1: About forty seven is the brand? Yeah? I mean, so

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Speaker 1: you don't love this singular oppr?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeh, you're right, you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Do you like the interlocking I N D Y right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? They updated one. It's kind of cool. I like it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I do. That's cool. No, good uh good advice there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're a fashionable guy, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, I listen. When you're bald, it is not

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Speaker 2: a lot. You don't have a lot of options. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's either bald or you know, your hairstyle is your hat. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's all you got, man, So you know, work with me.

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Speaker 1: Do you, by the way, you are a fan of

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Speaker 1: Wu Tang clan?

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Speaker 2: Right? Oh? Big, big fan. I mean I remember when

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Speaker 2: they came out because that's of age, because I'm old.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. If Wu Tang clan

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Speaker 1: is is Brady or Manning or is you know Jordan? Right,

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Speaker 1: then what is tribe called Quest? Is it? Is it Lebron?

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Speaker 2: proper appreciation for a tribe called Quest. However, I would

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Speaker 2: say not everyone does. So I almost think you almost

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Speaker 2: have to put them in like the Joe Burrow conversation.

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Speaker 2: They're they're kind of in there somewhere like they're Matthew Stafford, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm writing these down so that we can do some

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Speaker 1: before we get to the game. Also, Steven Opine on this.

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Speaker 1: Eddie and I were discussing this earlier and I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying there's a right or wrong on this. I'm curious

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Speaker 1: your answer of the other thirty one general manage, well

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Speaker 1: thirty of the other thirty general managers in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: not in Indy or Jacksonville. If they needed a quarterback

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Speaker 1: and they had their choice between Daniel Jones and Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: many each GM would select?

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Speaker 2: H Are we taking money out of the equation?

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Speaker 2: That is as a very interesting question because I think

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Speaker 2: that is a much different conversation. I haven't seen a

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Speaker 2: but but he's got the longer track record, right, there's

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Speaker 2: still I think this school of thoughts that like, we

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Speaker 2: need to see more of Daniel Jones. I'm not talking

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Speaker 2: about my opinion. I'm just saying that's probably the prevailing

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Speaker 2: the longer track record. Even though I readily admit that

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Speaker 2: Traylor Lawrence has a lot of convincing to do out there,

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Speaker 2: I really think that's still true and has his his

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Speaker 2: low moments probably outnumber his his highs in a lot

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Speaker 2: of cases. But I think he's had more success over

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Speaker 2: the more ups over the course of his career than

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Speaker 2: perhaps Daniel Jones recently, So I don't know. I leaned

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Speaker 2: slightly to Trevor Lawrence, but it's not a slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: I thought Daniel Jones showed me a lot on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and let me tell you why. When he threw an

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, I think that's true, and I think it

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Speaker 2: He looks like a guy. He does not look timid

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Speaker 2: his ability to take something off and then come back

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Speaker 2: and say we got this. And I thought he did

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Speaker 2: a good job with that. I would agree. I don't

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Speaker 2: think he really was the issue on Sunday. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he really wasn't. I don't think anybody's saying that, but

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have any issue with how he played.

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Speaker 2: I think that that first interception is on him. Uh

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Speaker 2: he under threw the ball, you know, severely under through it.

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Speaker 2: It's his fault and and that is what it is.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you know what are we talking about.

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Speaker 2: I mean he went three games with out of turnover, right,

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Speaker 2: so uh it was it was bound to happen, and

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Speaker 2: it's inevitable. So I think overall, I don't think I

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Speaker 2: feel any differently about the Colts offense after that game,

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Speaker 2: Nor do I feel any differently about Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell and his blunders. Steven. You know it wasn't

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Speaker 1: once was twice. I know he was a young player.

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Speaker 1: I know that the you know, publicly, the colts said

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Speaker 1: the person of ad Mitchell. But the reality is that

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Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell, when he came out of college, we were

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Speaker 1: all told there were warning flags, red flags, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was red flags like this guy was,

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Speaker 1: He just wasn't necessarily a I'm all in on what

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Speaker 1: that all showed itself on Sunday. What is your assessment

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Speaker 2: No, I think the questions you just pose are totally fair.

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Speaker 2: You know, the what I saw is a guy who

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Speaker 2: don't know. I'm a big proponent. I said this during

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Speaker 2: the game. I'm gonna say it here. I'm a big

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Speaker 2: proponent of the thinking that you play, how you practice right,

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Speaker 2: and the things that you do in practice you will

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Speaker 2: continue to do in the game. So that's why practice

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Speaker 2: really matters and coaches repeat this too. And so if

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Speaker 2: you were at training camp at all this year, you

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Speaker 2: saw from Ady Mitchell every time he'd make a big play,

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Speaker 2: there was this big, grand celebration and it was, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's throwing the ball up in the air. He's hyping

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Speaker 2: People gravitate to that, and they're like, oh, that's cool,

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Speaker 2: great play, and you know it gets other teammates involved.

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Speaker 2: That's good to some degree. However, However, I really feel

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Speaker 2: like he didn't say yes or no or a confirmer

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Speaker 2: denied this. But I'm looking at that play where he

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Speaker 2: fumbled at the goal line, and what I saw was

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Speaker 2: a guy who couldn't wait to celebrate. He's trying to

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Speaker 2: I I think that's just my perception. Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in his head, but it certainly looked like

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Speaker 2: over his head or hold it out whatever, some sort

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Speaker 2: of expression, right, because he looks back at the defenders

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Speaker 2: and he cleared them, so he's not trying to reach

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get tackled. I think he's trying

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Speaker 2: to celebrate and it's it is exactly what he does

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Speaker 2: every freaking time he makes a play in practice. So

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Speaker 2: there's my theory is like, be serious in practice and

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Speaker 2: maybe you can have a serious performance on Sunday. That's

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Speaker 2: that's what I That's what I take away from this,

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Speaker 2: And it's it's sad because I like Ad. He's a

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Speaker 2: good kid. He's not, you know, some sort of serial killer.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the character quote unquote characters concerns

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Speaker 2: were about him. I don't think they were about his character.

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Speaker 2: I think they were just about can you get this

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Speaker 2: I think those questions are still fair.

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Speaker 1: What about X Clan? By the way, where do you

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Speaker 1: put them with? Tribe called quest dey la soul? X

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Speaker 2: What'm a big x Clan fan? I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: Grand Verbalized, Grand Verbaliza. What time is it you remember

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, a little bit. They were I would say

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Speaker 2: Okay, Big Daddy Kane definitely underrated. I would I would

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Speaker 2: we just got done Grill and lou Ana rumo about this,

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Speaker 2: I think this is a problem that we have to

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Speaker 1: The doc where's the doc rack?

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Speaker 3: That is interesting?

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Speaker 1: Whom I would say, who is a great quarterback that

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Speaker 1: Eddie helped me out here. That's that's it, because the DC,

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Speaker 2: I believe he's still out there. I believe people have

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Speaker 2: It's a great question, and it's totally fair. It's a

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Speaker 2: Lou and Rumo was very he was very adamant about this,

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Speaker 2: let's let's take a longer look at some of these

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Speaker 1: Digital underground seven. Who's digital underground?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean and when you say digital underground, I

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Speaker 2: we're talking about shock G. Right, more or less?

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Speaker 5: Who who is?

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Speaker 2: Who is also of the underrated? You're like all the

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: own world and it's kind of hard to know what's

434
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Speaker 1: coming out that's new. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Hmm, Yeah, that's fair. So yeah, Tupac would have been

436
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Speaker 2: like I think his first album was early nineties sometime,

437
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: but anyway, Tupac was was part of Digital Underground. The

438
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Speaker 2: shak G well I think passed away. I don't remember when,

439
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Speaker 2: but like in the last couple of years, uh shack

440
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Speaker 2: G was was the guy, uh you know, the humpty

441
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Speaker 2: thing that we had the whole like alternate personalities, you know,

442
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Speaker 2: the what do you call it? The uh you know

443
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Speaker 2: he had he had, he had an alter ego. I

444
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Speaker 2: guess that you would say. Anyhow, quarterback for for Digital Underground.

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Speaker 2: I like this. Let's think, well, how about Doug Williams,

446
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Speaker 2: because you know why, pioneer.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

448
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Speaker 2: Here's a pioneer. I mean, right, like like Doug Williams.

449
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Speaker 2: There's no Doug Williams. There's probably no like Lamar Jackson,

450
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Speaker 2: and there's no shock G.

451
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Speaker 1: There's no Tubac and like Doug Williams kind of without

452
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Speaker 1: people remembering it introduced and kind of brought in I

453
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Speaker 1: think Steve Young, right, and then Steve Young kind of

454
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Speaker 1: often did his own thing and whatever else.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's not bad? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 3: So the way to do this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the last thing. And I ask you this

458
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Speaker 1: every once in a while, Steven, I want you to

459
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Speaker 1: tell me this. Ten minutes from now, when you are,

460
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Speaker 1: when you've hung up the phone, you're going to say

461
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Speaker 1: to yourself, I can't believe that moron talked to me

462
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Speaker 1: about hip hop stuff and did not ask me about

463
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Speaker 1: Blank from the Colts, which is the obvious thing that

464
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Speaker 1: needs to be addressed, and we didn't get to it.

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Speaker 3: What was it?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's end on a good note. I think

467
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Speaker 2: in terms of the Colts at least, I think Liatu

468
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Speaker 2: Latsu probably the best game I've seen them play. I

469
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: think they got that one right now. He's no Jared Verse,

470
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Speaker 2: who they also could have drafted. That dude is a monster. Okay,

471
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Speaker 2: he is a monster. Go ask Bernard Raymond about him

472
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Speaker 2: right now. But that being said, they have the player

473
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Speaker 2: they have, and I do think Latu might be turning

474
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Speaker 2: a corner. He is. If you look at his advanced

475
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Speaker 2: stats right now, he ranks up there with the best

476
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Speaker 2: in the league. And I think he's on a great

477
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Speaker 2: trajectory right now. And if they can get him going,

478
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Speaker 2: teams are going to have to start making some decisions

479
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Speaker 2: about whether they double him, and that should free up

480
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Speaker 2: other guys.

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Speaker 6: And just from him.

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Speaker 1: When he turns that corner, he does so with incredible lean.

483
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Speaker 2: Just so you know, yeah, I mean, that's the stuff

484
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Speaker 2: you can't teach, you know. That's that's true. Stuff you

485
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Speaker 2: can't teach.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. He can he can running to

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Speaker 1: the side. Correct, That's what we were told Backley all right, Steven,

488
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Speaker 1: We're gonna play these great hip hop legends and pioneers

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the show.

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Speaker 2: How's that?

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Speaker 1: I love it you full credit of course, right, all right,

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Speaker 1: Steven ESPN dot Com. We will continue to watching. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that we're gonna see Waiver Wire stuff with

494
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Speaker 1: the defensive backs?

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, I'm not. I'm not predicting that. No, not predicting

496
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Speaker 2: that right now.

497
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Speaker 4: Okay, Steven, did they pick up a linebacker yesterday from

498
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Speaker 4: the Dallas practice squad?

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Speaker 2: Did I see that? I cannot? I think I missed that.

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Speaker 2: I should not this right, Wait a minute, I took

501
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Speaker 2: a red eye yesterday, so I was like unconscious.

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Speaker 1: You know, if they'd picked up one of the Ghetto

503
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Speaker 1: Boys out of Houston, then yes, we would have been

504
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Speaker 1: able to definitively know that, right we would be all

505
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Speaker 1: over also very underrated, by the way, Okay, although the

506
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Speaker 1: Ghetto Boys are probably popped, they're probably legitimately rated. I'm

507
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Speaker 1: looking right here to see about the practice squad there.

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Speaker 4: Per Aaron Wilson, They said he said that yesterday Culture

509
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Speaker 4: signing linebacker Buddy Johnson the Cowboys practice squad.

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Speaker 2: He was a former fourth round pick dealers. Well, I

511
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Speaker 2: mean they have no linebackers, so that tracks yes. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 2: I don't know much about them to be completely honest,

513
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Speaker 2: but I think that is there. That is probably their

514
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Speaker 2: weakest position, to be completely honest with you, So makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are Franklin and who right, And

516
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Speaker 2: I think the truth is the guys who they have

517
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Speaker 2: tried there, no one has really stuck, you know, so

518
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Speaker 2: they're definitely having some issues there.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, all right, Steven. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Tupac I Am Told first appeared on

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Speaker 1: what you Like in terms of Digital Underground, So there

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Speaker 1: you go. You are correct.

523
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I love the song.

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Speaker 1: There you go, There you go, all right, appreciate it.

525
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Speaker 1: Steven joining us from ESPN dot Com covered a lot

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Speaker 1: of ground there. Miles Turner kind of gave the gas

527
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Speaker 1: face to Indiana yesterday with his comments regarding, you know,

528
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Speaker 1: being appreciated or being celebrated by a city, and that

529
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Speaker 1: was why he was happy to be in Milwaukee. But

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Speaker 1: as for the Pacers themselves, his old team, Tyrie's Halliburton

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Speaker 1: yesterday opened up about his recovery from his injury, talking

532
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Speaker 1: about just the mental aspect of that, and it is

533
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Speaker 1: easy to forget that for the Pacers. This is a

534
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Speaker 1: year that you go in coming off of that finals

535
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Speaker 1: run and you got to kind of just keep things

536
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Speaker 1: going until Haliburton comes back and then you find out

537
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Speaker 1: who Turner's replacement will be long term. There was a

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Speaker 1: lot to discussed yesterday media day for the Pacers. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now from The Indianapolis Star. He is the Pacers

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Speaker 1: beat writer, Dustin A. Brick, who joins us on the show,

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Speaker 1: H Dustin. When you walked away yesterday, the overwhelming sentiment

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Speaker 1: you had about this Pacers team or their mindset was

543
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Speaker 1: what they're pretty.

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Speaker 6: Determined, and I think, you know, you could obviously see

545
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Speaker 6: that these guys who have just been through it, and

546
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Speaker 6: you know, I think they're they're somewhat bothered by the

547
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Speaker 6: idea of that people think they're going to take a

548
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Speaker 6: gap year or something that they're just not going to

549
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Speaker 6: be relevant, h you know, for a season, as I

550
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Speaker 6: think they just sort of shrunk that up because I mean,

551
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Speaker 6: I think at this point, number one, they're used to

552
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Speaker 6: being underestimated in the first place, and too it's just

553
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Speaker 6: you're just not like there's not a world in which

554
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Speaker 6: you get Andrew nem Harden, Aaronie Smith and Pascal Siakam

555
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Speaker 6: and TJ. McCollums take it easy. So you know, I

556
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Speaker 6: think these guys you it as okay, like we're we're

557
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Speaker 6: still going to play the way that we play. We're

558
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Speaker 6: still we're still going to have the standard, We're still

559
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Speaker 6: going to exhaust people, We're still going to wear them out. Uh,

560
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Speaker 6: and people still can't hang with the way we play.

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Speaker 6: I think that's still their view it And it's pretty

562
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Speaker 6: sort of simple a matter of fact at this point

563
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Speaker 6: because they know sort of how well it worked last year.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think they're they're aware there's going to

565
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Speaker 6: be complications. I mean, you know that you take away

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Speaker 6: a guy with not not only who has that much

567
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Speaker 6: production as Tiers Haliburton, but also creates the kind of gravity.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it is going to change the geometry of

569
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Speaker 6: the game to not have somebody out there that's commanding,

570
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Speaker 6: you know, two bodies to defend him so much. I mean,

571
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Speaker 6: they're they're going to have to function differently and they

572
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Speaker 6: know that, and I don't know if they realize what

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Speaker 6: kind of complication is coming there, but they're also just

574
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Speaker 6: not bothered by it because they've been through enough. I mean,

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Speaker 6: this is just this is a team that's decorated now.

576
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Speaker 6: You know, you see obviously the big difference in your

577
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Speaker 6: role players, in particular your net mark Jamie Smith. You know,

578
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Speaker 6: from a few years ago when they were just getting

579
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Speaker 6: into this and now there are guys that have seen

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Speaker 6: everything that have seen in the NBA Finals, in the

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Speaker 6: Eastern Conference Finals. They just seem very everything kind of

582
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Speaker 6: seems to what had this group all of a sudden.

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Speaker 6: They've just been through so much and she's like, yeah,

584
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Speaker 6: you know, like nobody thinks you can win, but we'll

585
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Speaker 6: be find because we're gonna work everybody. I mean, that

586
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Speaker 6: just seems to be how they how they look at

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Speaker 6: it right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you to play along with one of

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Speaker 1: my hypotheticals here you ready.

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Speaker 6: I love that My secorit part about doing this go on.

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Speaker 1: So you are native to Pittsburgh if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: correct or the area that's correct. Okay, So let's say

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Speaker 1: for Christmas this year, you're going to go to Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: but the Pacers have a game on the twenty sixth

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Speaker 1: of December. You don't want to have to rush yourself

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Speaker 1: back per se. So you're like, you know what, I'm

597
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Speaker 1: just going to go ahead right now in October and

598
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Speaker 1: kind of write a skeleton version of the game report

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Speaker 1: and yah, I'll change the names.

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Speaker 2: Here and there.

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Speaker 1: But so in it, you start your story by saying

602
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Speaker 1: against the Celtics, Indiana was led in rebounding by their

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Speaker 1: starting center. Blank, whose name do you put.

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Speaker 3: In it's going to be leading in rebounding.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be Isaiah Jackson. So there's there's kind

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Speaker 6: of like there's like a presumption in that hypothetical. I

607
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Speaker 6: do think, I mean, there's a chance Jehuff is going

608
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Speaker 6: to start. If Jay Huff starts, I don't think he's

609
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Speaker 6: going to leave them in rebounds, you know. I think

610
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Speaker 6: you know, basically you're gonna have to lean on Siakam

611
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Speaker 6: to grab your rebounds in that case. I mean, because

612
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Speaker 6: I know Jay is, I think he's got at about

613
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Speaker 6: the same rate or low or as far as rebound

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Speaker 6: rate than moles Turner did and mouth still I think

615
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Speaker 6: the pass gal I'll put it to this, do you

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Speaker 6: believe that Jackson to get the coin flop?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe Jackson will be their starting center because

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Speaker 1: they more covet rebounding or do you think Huff will

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Speaker 1: be their starting center because they more covet what he

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Speaker 1: can do offensively.

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Speaker 6: Right, It is such a coin flip for me, But

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Speaker 6: I do at this point if you said, right now,

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Speaker 6: I would say Jay Huff because of what he can

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Speaker 6: do offensively. But I mean I could be, you know,

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Speaker 6: absolutely totally wrong on that. I know that Carlos Hea

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Speaker 6: Jackson has been working with the one so far. I

627
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Speaker 6: think the fact that he's up to two forty is

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Speaker 6: a big deal, very interesting sea of well. That looks

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Speaker 6: like he says, he feels like he's doing it pretty

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Speaker 6: well and he's still got the same amount of bounds

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Speaker 6: for the most part. He says he has some days

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Speaker 6: where he feels like he doesn't but I mean very interested.

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Speaker 6: But that looks like, uh live and so I mean,

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Speaker 6: my my opinion, that could change very quickly. I mean,

635
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Speaker 6: they've got Fan jam on Sunday. I might look at

636
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Speaker 6: the world totally different after that. If he's if he's

637
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Speaker 6: every bit as fast and jumps every bit as high

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Speaker 6: at two forty as he did at to ten. Uh,

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Speaker 6: you know that that does change some things. But I

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Speaker 6: do think Jay helps h the floor matters, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I could see from ups and downs as far as

642
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 6: it is concerned, and I think they might need that spacing.

643
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 6: That might be something that's mission critical for them. And

644
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Speaker 6: in the fact he can block shots also matters. Rebounding

645
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Speaker 6: could be an issue. And and Jackson might you know,

646
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Speaker 6: might have an edge there. There's a good chance he

647
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Speaker 6: has an edge there. But the hubstability to shoot, I

648
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Speaker 6: think is is gonna matter.

649
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Speaker 3: One Worn thinks to be a key part of.

650
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 6: The rotation because he can give you a kick and

651
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 6: puffs three point option similar to what Turner did, and

652
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 6: he's the only one that's proven his start in that

653
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: work hard.

654
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the Pacers believe their starting center

655
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: that will start alongside Tyre's Haliburton once Haliburton's back is

656
00:32:58,880 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: on the current roster.

657
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't believe that, So I would have

658
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 6: a hard time thinking that they believe that. I mean,

659
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 6: I think you've got a swing bigger than what's what's there.

660
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 6: I think these guys are good. I think they're effective.

661
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think there's anything bad about them necessarily,

662
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 6: but you know, I mean, you made a championship run

663
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 6: with a guy who was gonna hit what one hundred

664
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 6: fifty three pointers last year? You know, I mean and

665
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 6: and as your all time league uh you know shot blocker,

666
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 6: you know was shooting a bus through thirty nine percent

667
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 6: on a pretty high volume. You know, if if that's

668
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 6: what takes to get to a championship, and I don't

669
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 6: know that you have that, I'll be interested to see

670
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 6: if you know. Certainly Jay Huff could prove me wrong.

671
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 6: I think that Jackson could prove me wrong. But I

672
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 6: feel like if you know, you've seen kind of a

673
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 6: template for what you have to have to really make

674
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 6: it work and take at the distance, I don't you

675
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 6: have something that that's at that level on this group

676
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 6: right now. And I think you're gonna have to look

677
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 6: for that in the offseason somehow.

678
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: What what overwhelmingly jumped out at you yesterday?

679
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 6: I think, I mean maybe that I wasn't overwhelmed by anybody.

680
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 6: I think it was just the like not quiet confidence,

681
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 6: but it was just like they definitely had this view

682
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 6: of like, yeah, we're back, Okay, Yeah, we're just gonna

683
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 6: do this thing again.

684
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: You know.

685
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 6: It just seemed they were so matter of fact, they

686
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 6: were so you know, like they were so used to it,

687
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 6: and it was almost like they had been that thing

688
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 6: just such through such.

689
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: A media country, through the finals, but this was just kind.

690
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 6: Of like nothing to them, And I guess it felt

691
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 6: like part of a build up the last couple of

692
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 6: years of you know, two seasons goes like okay, we're

693
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 6: making the playoffs. This year there's like and last year

694
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 6: was okay, like we think it would be a championship team.

695
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 6: Like they had something to say in that regard of

696
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 6: this group as like, Okay, we're back. We know ties

697
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 6: out what we find, you know, because we know we're

698
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 6: doing like we we know how to win. We you know,

699
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 6: we've proven how to win. We've proven we can do

700
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 6: this recruiting, our way work. We don't know what we're

701
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 6: gonna end up. We're not going to even guess to

702
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 6: what that's going to be, but you know, like we're

703
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 6: gonna be better than you think. You know, That's all

704
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 6: we'll say. That just sort of seemed like it was.

705
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 6: It was very sort of like quick. They didn't dive

706
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 6: into a lot, and I really tried to get them

707
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 6: going on strategy and how it changes and how the

708
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 6: offense going to be and what you've got to get

709
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 6: used to and they can you still play at the

710
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 6: same pace and they're going to be as wide open

711
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 6: and we're like, yeah, I mean, we all got to

712
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 6: do more, you know, but like we set a standard,

713
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 6: we can hit that standard. And it was everything just

714
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 6: seemed very matter of fact in terms of how they

715
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 6: approach yesterday.

716
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: You know, It's funny, Dustin, there was I was thinking

717
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: about the Pacers yesterday and there's one player and I'm

718
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: curious if you can decipher who I'm talking about. There

719
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: was one player that popped into my head and I

720
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: thought to myself, you know, we talk about other players

721
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: in the same area and whether or not you know

722
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: how those guys are going to take advantage of this

723
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: new opportunity for minutes, and then it dawned on me.

724
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: There's a third in that mix that we saw very

725
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: sparingly a year ago, and there have been flashes and

726
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: while still young, this is a player that I'm curious

727
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: if they break into rotation this year, and if so,

728
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: if that's like the found twenty dollars bill in your

729
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: pocket when you're doing your laundry, what player am I

730
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: talking about?

731
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 6: You're talking about Johnny Surphy being BEng Goo Yeah m

732
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 6: hm am, I right, yeah, no, I mean, yeah, no,

733
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 6: I agree. I mean I think, you know, I I

734
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be very interested to see. So I wrote

735
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 6: about this in like sort of a five questions thing

736
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 6: of you know what that young ring wing wing rotation

737
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 6: look like in the second unit. I mean, obviously, I

738
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 6: think it's pretty much been declared. All right, who four

739
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 6: of your five starters are? And you're you know two

740
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 6: to four on you know, on the starting lineup? Are

741
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 6: you know Masther and that Nie Smith and Sakham and

742
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 6: so you know you've got ob obviously penciled into be

743
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 6: your starting you know, your backup power forward. But for

744
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 6: those you know, two spots for shooting gardens all forward,

745
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 6: you've got three, you know, three pretty intriguing options between

746
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 6: Ben Shephard, Jars Walker, and Johnny Furthy. Shepherd obviously is

747
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 6: uh is the guy that you know is the constant.

748
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 6: You know, you know what Ben Shepherd is going to

749
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 6: be for better and for worse. And you know he's

750
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 6: not gonna put a massive numbers. But because he's gonna.

751
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: Shoot open three, he's passed the ball.

752
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 6: Otherwise run the floor hard, Uh, defend. I mean, he's

753
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 6: not necessarily a lockdown defender, but he's gonna he's going

754
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 6: to be aggressive and he's going to get after people

755
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 6: when he's going to be willing to warning the pressure.

756
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 6: And so you know you can trust what you're gonna

757
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 6: get at Ben Shepherd. You know, grit Carla loves Ben Shepherd.

758
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 6: So if those who are not impressed by Ben Shepherd

759
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 6: don't even get into this discussion, now, you know who's

760
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 6: going to play good over it now. But you know,

761
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 6: between Walker and Furfey, it's it's some very interesting stuff. Obviously,

762
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 6: they have they have different skill sets, they have different

763
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 6: potentials also, and I think there's both of them I

764
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 6: think have something that was kind of a calling card

765
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 6: for them going into the draft you haven't necessarily seen yet.

766
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: You know.

767
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 6: Furfey, I think it was being an outside shooter and

768
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 6: he's just been he's been just okay at that. And

769
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 6: Walker You're expected him to be this, you know, top

770
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 6: line defender, and he's been just okay at that. But

771
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 6: they've grown really in other ways. I mean, Walker is

772
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 6: really grown as a shooter. You know, you're you're seeing

773
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 6: some court vision from.

774
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: Him and that sort of thing.

775
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 6: There's some impressive stuff there, but Furfey, I think it's

776
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 6: played tougher than a lot of people expected. He's he's

777
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 6: been a willing defender, a good rebound, under runs really hard,

778
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: is physical, finishes through contact. You've seen him grow. H

779
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 6: you know he's way more muscled up therecause he add

780
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 6: at least twenty pounds.

781
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: You know during last season.

782
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 6: He might have added more since. I mean, like he

783
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 6: he turned into you know, he's he's heading towards the

784
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 6: grown man's body pretty quick. You know that was something

785
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 6: that happened. I think fast for him where you know,

786
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 6: you came in. Obviously he's baby face to start with,

787
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 6: but he looked skinny when they got him. He doesn't

788
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 6: look skinny now, you know. I mean he's got some

789
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 6: real man muscle now. And you saw that show up

790
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 6: with the dunk in Summer League. I mean you saw

791
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 6: some really good grown man moments in Vegas in the

792
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 6: couple of games he played. So yeah, no, I think

793
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 6: you know, I think he starts as the clear eleventh guy,

794
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 6: and you know, one guy gets hurt and he's in

795
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 6: the rotation, you know someplace, you know, whether it's basically man,

796
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 6: I think anything and anybody gets hurt really along the

797
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 6: line other than center. I think then, you know, basically

798
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 6: there's gonna be moving parts that lead to Johnny Furfrey

799
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 6: getting rotation minutes. So, you know again, and it's possible

800
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 6: if Jaris Walker doesn't you know, take substantial improvements.

801
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: It's possible.

802
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 6: Well, at first he could rip the you know, backup,

803
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 6: small forward job right away from you know.

804
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: What's interesting is Dustin Delpirek is our guest talking about

805
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers. We had Aaron Neismith on yesterday, Dustin,

806
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: and you know who am I to tell Aaron NEI

807
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Smith that he's wrong?

808
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: Right?

809
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: And maybe I had read it wrong. He was pretty

810
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: adamant to us yesterday that Indiana is going to continue

811
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: to play at the same pace, and that they are

812
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: going to run the ball and they're going to be

813
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: the same you know, kind of frantic nature that they

814
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: were before. I thought for certain I had heard, whether

815
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: it be Chad by Cannon Rick Carlisle basically indicate that no,

816
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: this year they're going to focus a little bit more

817
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: on isolation and then once Halliburton's back, they picked the

818
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: pace back up again. Did I hear that incorrectly.

819
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: You heard it mostly correctly.

820
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 6: I think where what Aaron, you know, the only day

821
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 6: you're both right. I mean, I think basically what they're

822
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 6: both sort of saying is when it gets into the

823
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 6: half court. I mean, basically, like they're going to look

824
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 6: for full court opportunities the same way they're going to sprint,

825
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 6: you know, like wingers are going to sprint the floor.

826
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 6: They're gonna try to get down as fast as they can.

827
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 6: You know, a big thing is just trying to get

828
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 6: into a situation where you're playing advantage basketball where you've

829
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 6: got more guys down the floor than they do, and

830
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 6: you know they've got a guard, a two on one.

831
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 6: You know, even if it's off of made baskets, they're

832
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 6: still going to attack the way that they've attacked. You know, basically,

833
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 6: they're going to they're going to push off of defensive rebounds,

834
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 6: are going to certainly push off the turnovers, and they're

835
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 6: going to push off of made baskets and try to

836
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 6: catch people celebrating and see if you can run back.

837
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 6: What's different in terms of how they're going to function is, uh,

838
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 6: you know, once you get into the half court, it's

839
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 6: going to be harder for the ball to pop the

840
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 6: same way that it did with Haliburton. I think the

841
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 6: big difference, I think is Halliburton's gravity that you lose

842
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 6: and you know the extent to which UH teams are

843
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 6: willing to put two guys on him, and so you

844
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 6: you know, basically you blitz them, you get the ball

845
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 6: out of Haliburton's hand, but then it pops. You know,

846
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 6: then it starts moving and it finds the open man.

847
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 6: And there is an open man because you dedicated two

848
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 6: guys to Halliburt and so you know, then you're scrambling.

849
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 6: Then you're in rotation and you're running on closed out

850
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 6: and there's a there's an open guy to find. And

851
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 6: I think they'll be in that situation less they're going

852
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 6: to have to break down defenses off the dribble, UH,

853
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 6: those sorts of things, because you have you know, Siakam

854
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 6: I think is still going to command some double teams.

855
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 6: But you know, basically when they're trying to double you know,

856
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 6: Halliburton early in the possession, you know, around half court, UH,

857
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 6: and you get the ball out of his hands and

858
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 6: it starts moving, it's going to find somebody. Whereas I

859
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 6: think that's going to be a little bit harder to achieve,

860
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 6: and you're gonna have to find different ways of creating

861
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 6: an open man, of of building gravity, of you know,

862
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 6: getting the ball in the paint. All those kinds of

863
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 6: things are gonna have to be executed a little bit

864
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 6: differently than they've been doing. So I think that's kind

865
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: of that that's at least what I've pieced together from

866
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 6: talking to all of them. But Chat did say that

867
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 6: it's going to be more of an execution game, particularly

868
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 6: in the half court. But I don't think they're going

869
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 6: to stop looking for, you know, sort of full court opportunities,

870
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 6: transition opportunities. I don't think they're going to pass those

871
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 6: up or or doubt back because I think they still

872
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 6: they still feel like they have the finishers, they have

873
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 6: the people that can run, and think they're conditioned enough.

874
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 6: They believe that wearing teams down is still a big

875
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 6: part of what they do. But I think they just

876
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 6: want to gets into half court. You know, the the

877
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 6: geometry will be different by virtue of not having a

878
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 6: guy in there that averages twenty points of.

879
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: Tennis more to prove Jaris Walker, Ben Matheren.

880
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 6: Jeez, I'm gonna say Benedict Mathm because he's in a

881
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 6: contract year. But I mean, obviously that's they are, you know,

882
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 6: they are who they are. I've called him the shiny

883
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 6: objects in the past because there's a lottery picks and

884
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 6: everybody is always going to look at them in terms

885
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 6: of what they achieve and and it's you know, like

886
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 6: it's wild that basically, you know, so many other guys

887
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 6: on this team have overachieved, uh, you know, for what

888
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 6: they were expected, how they were brought in, whether they

889
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 6: were drafted or where they where they were you know,

890
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 6: included as a you know throw in in their trade

891
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 6: sort of like neiw Smith was, and then how how

892
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 6: they sort of overachieved in what was expected. But mather

893
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 6: and Walker are top ten ticks, and I think people

894
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 6: will just always view them as just they are huge

895
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 6: assets and they have to they have to produce, and

896
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 6: that's that's true. They do and so I do think.

897
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: Mathern has achieved more.

898
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 6: But but they have to decide what they're gonna do

899
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 6: with him, and it's gonna be very very and we've

900
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 6: talked about it so many times in the past. I'm

901
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 6: very interest to see what Matherin's going to be like,

902
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 6: just because you know that's there, there is gonna be

903
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 6: temptation for him to just play the way he plays.

904
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 6: And you know, I think because you know, there's gonna

905
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 6: be times when they need that. There's many times when

906
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 6: they just need somebody to go get a bucket, and

907
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 6: they're gonna be like, Okay, well Ben's got to drive

908
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 6: into three people. Well, Hecker said, that's the best thing

909
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 6: we've got going with right now, So let him go.

910
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: And so you're wondering, was is he going to develop

911
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 6: into what they need them to him to be long

912
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 6: term or is he gonna take a step back this

913
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: year even if he puts up better numbers, because he's

914
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 6: just gonna rely on this basic and stick to plane

915
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 6: one on one. But I mean, I think Walker obviously

916
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 6: has less of an achievedment. You know, Matherine has proven

917
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 6: he can score. He has lived up to that billing,

918
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 6: and you know, but it's just a question of ken.

919
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 6: He's not a question of canny score. It's question of can.

920
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: Fit with Walker?

921
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 6: Like you still need to see the proof of production.

922
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 6: So I guess probably it's it's more important for mathroom

923
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 6: because it's more immediate. And you know, I mean, he

924
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 6: could he could have a twenty and still end up

925
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 6: on somebody else's roster next year. I think that's expertainly possible.

926
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 6: You know, Walker, though, I think needs so maybe I'm

927
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 6: changing my mind in the middle of this answer, but

928
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 6: you know, Walker needs to prove that he belongs in

929
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 6: the league. He needs to prove that he can be

930
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 6: a proactive NBA player, and so you know, you're seeing

931
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 6: signs of it, but you've got to see you know,

932
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 6: real I think measurable stuff.

933
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: This year, Dustin, do you think Rick Carlisle's stronger suit

934
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: as a coach is a recognizing where a team needs

935
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: to be adjusted and making the adjustments for the team,

936
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: or be recognizing where a team has weakness and getting

937
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: guys to buy into what it is that he's needing

938
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: them to do and getting them to adjust to him.

939
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 6: It's a great question because you've seen evidence of him

940
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 6: being really good at both, you know, I mean, I

941
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 6: think you know, it's it's really impressive what he's done.

942
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 6: You know, defensively, when you think about how easy it

943
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 6: was to score on the Indiana Pacers up until December

944
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 6: of twenty twenty three, you know, from you know, basically

945
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 6: the first two months of that year and.

946
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: You're giving up one hundred and fifty points.

947
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 6: You know, It's like, so it's really impressive that they've got,

948
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 6: you know, bought into this idea of Okay, you know

949
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 6: it's got to be pressure.

950
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: You know that's gonna be.

951
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 6: That's got to be the way that they achieved this

952
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 6: and get right is just to lean into pressure. And

953
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 6: you know you had to you know, I guess you

954
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 6: had guys that had the physical skills for that, but

955
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 6: you know still to say we're gonna do something nobody

956
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 6: else is doing, Like even though you know, we've been

957
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 6: horrendous on defense, so what we're going to do is

958
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 6: something no one else is even attempting. Uh, it's pretty well,

959
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 6: I think. I mean, I'm going to guess, remind me

960
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 6: exactly how you worked the first thing.

961
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: So it was do you think it is Rick Carlisle

962
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: saying gosh, I've got all of these pieces that that

963
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: most would put together a perfect triangle, and then you know,

964
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: realizing and recognizing that, or is it saying gosh, these

965
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: guys look like they might be triangular pieces, but I

966
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: want them to be a circle. So I'm going to

967
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: get them to buy into what it is that I

968
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: need them to be.

969
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 6: And that's I still win the first one. I mean,

970
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 6: I think in part just because I haven't seen the

971
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 6: Master and thing come together yet and it's been his

972
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 6: project the entire time. But you know, I but he's

973
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 6: good at both. I mean, he's very very good at both.

974
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: And I'm trying to like.

975
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 6: Even like some of those things really sort of weave together,

976
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 6: you know if you think about it, you know, like

977
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 6: over time, it's just he has he has looked at

978
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 6: this group and said, Okay, you know, like what what

979
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 6: what is this that I have? And men'ge to to

980
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 6: sort of look outside the box to figure that out

981
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 6: in terms of saying, Okay, you know, like this team

982
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 6: has to like I'm gonna this Tyrese Haliburton has got

983
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 6: to be you know, my sort of north star on

984
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,959
Speaker 6: this and and playing his way and piecing everything around

985
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 6: it so that it works, and we're going to play

986
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 6: it differ the way that anybody else is doing that

987
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 6: and then looking and saying, Okay, I got a defensive problem.

988
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 6: I don't know how to fix it, So okay, I'm

989
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 6: going to lean into this. This is the idea of

990
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 6: pressure because I don't have enough size. So I'm just

991
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 6: going to try to outwork people, and that's how it's

992
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 6: going to work. I mean, he's I don't know, he's

993
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 6: very good at reading sort of. I guess both sides

994
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 6: of that equation of where he is deficient or where

995
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 6: he has more than you know, or where he has

996
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 6: a lot of pieces and just folds them into a

997
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 6: over our convision.

998
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: Lastly, dustin this season, if you look at it, okay,

999
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me the guy from last

1000
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: season to this that is going to have the biggest

1001
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: differential in terms of their scoring average, either because it's

1002
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: going to uptick or because their role is different now

1003
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: and it's going to dip.

1004
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 6: I think, I mean, I think just them. Hart is

1005
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 6: going to go up because he has to score, you know.

1006
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think he's going to average twenty,

1007
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 6: but I think he's going to average you know, sixteen

1008
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 6: seventeen in that range. I don't think you're gonna have

1009
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 6: a bigger swing than seven points. But I think this

1010
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 6: as the trigger guy, as the guy who's going to

1011
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 6: be a picking a ball handler a lot, you know,

1012
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 6: as a guy who's going.

1013
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: To play a lot with this the ball in his hands.

1014
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 6: I think, you know, Memhart will be required to score

1015
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 6: more like I think I think there won't be any

1016
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 6: way around it. Where last year he was able to

1017
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 6: sort of still facilitate even though he was looking to

1018
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 6: deal then you know, falling into that. Okay, let's let's

1019
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 6: see Halliburton in up roll. In this case, I think

1020
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 6: it's just like he has to put the ball in

1021
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 6: the bucket, he has to take shots. You know it's

1022
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 6: going to be fired of him that the still goal

1023
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 6: attempts go up. And so by that nature, I think

1024
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 6: I'm like again, I don't you know, I don't know

1025
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 6: if you're to look at and say, well, Nenmark, it's

1026
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 6: not gonna appe thirty or twenty five or anything like that,

1027
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 6: but you know, like he'll be It'll be seventeen eighteen.

1028
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,959
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody else will have a seven points line.

1029
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: Dustin appreciate it as always. The next thing on the

1030
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: docket here for the Pacers before we get into preseason

1031
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: that you will be writing about will be what, ah Man.

1032
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 6: We got practice practice, now, we've got you know, Stan

1033
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 6: jam Saturday.

1034
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: Im As far as it's like you're asking, like, what's

1035
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: the next.

1036
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: Big development correct or the next just the next event.

1037
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, next event. I mean, I guess it's fan jam

1038
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 6: on Sunday. You know, there's practice all week stuff. We're

1039
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 6: just coming out of that. We're going to write about

1040
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 6: James Wiseman the one right and some of that stuff.

1041
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 6: But we see, we see actually real basketball even tho

1042
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 6: it's Tinner Scott Scrimmage on Friday, and then you know

1043
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 6: it's one week from today at preseason games.

1044
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 5: Pretty well, all right.

1045
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: We look forward to uh not only obviously your time today,

1046
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: but look forward to talking to you over the course

1047
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: of the year. Hard to believe it's here, but it is. Dustin,

1048
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: appreciate it.

1049
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 3: Absolutely things doll with chicks, all right.

1050
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: Dustin de pierrec joining us Indianapolis Star.

1051
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, Eddie.

1052
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: We've got Scott Agnes on the line. Jake Scott, Scott

1053
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: knows all this. Scott joins us on the program. He's

1054
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: well aware of my gas face dancing skills because they're

1055
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: probably still immortalized in the halls of our common high school.

1056
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: Uh.

1057
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Pacer or excuse me not Pacers, Fever and action. Tonight

1058
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, it is a game five to decisive

1059
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: Game five to see if they can advance to the

1060
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: w NBA Finals. So Scott, I will get right to

1061
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: this question. Can they advance tonight to the WNBA Finals?

1062
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 5: I think, going back to your trademark, why not, Indiana?

1063
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, time you.

1064
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 7: Want to continue to count them out, Jake, they prove

1065
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 7: us otherwise, so I think all of us would be

1066
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 7: foolish to go.

1067
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 5: Ahead and cross them out. Now there's going to be

1068
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 5: a lot that has to go right for him.

1069
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 7: We obviously will see how the officiating is called throughout

1070
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 7: this one, because it's different from game to game.

1071
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 5: But there's no reason I would even hesitate to say

1072
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 5: that they absolutely could get it done.

1073
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: Speaking of the officiating in the way it's been called,

1074
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: Stephanie White in a little bit of hot water, right

1075
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: for basically agreeing with or having the back of one

1076
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: of her counterpart coaches.

1077
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1078
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1079
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 7: A thousand dollars fine, And I'd laugh at that because

1080
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 7: she didn't add anything new. She just repeated what she's

1081
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 7: talked about all season when asked about it. And the

1082
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 7: challenge to me, Jake and all this is we're in

1083
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 7: the semi finals. They couldn't be any better getting to

1084
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 7: the Game five, and yet all the questions pre game

1085
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 7: last game where they got fined Becky Hammond two.

1086
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 5: Were about the officiating.

1087
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 7: And so this has been a NonStop conversation both in

1088
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 7: the playoffs here and throughout the regular season.

1089
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, part of me does not.

1090
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 7: Understand the fact that you know, coaches are going to

1091
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 7: support them one another and have their endorsements like it's

1092
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 7: a small grouping and so then to add another fine

1093
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 7: on top of that for not saying anything.

1094
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 5: New was a little bit baffling to me.

1095
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: Scott in terms of what Las Vegas has been able

1096
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: to do, for example, to take advantage of Indiana and

1097
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: vice versa. Will begin with the one side of it

1098
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: tonight for the fever. The one thing they need to

1099
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: make sure that they take care of that has cost

1100
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: them so far two games in this series would be what.

1101
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 7: I would say their defensive performance. If they're allowing too

1102
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 7: many easy buckets around the rims, lazy and falling and

1103
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 7: those sort of things. Then if they're in for a

1104
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 7: tough night here because you're you're not going to have

1105
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 7: a home crowd behind you. You gotta a sellout here

1106
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 7: of ten thousand people, so you need you need to

1107
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 7: get a stop defensively. That's what Stephanie White's been preaching

1108
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 7: all season long.

1109
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, the other side of that would be the

1110
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: Fever's key to success rides, where.

1111
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 7: I'll say, if they can set the pace into a tempo,

1112
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 7: if they're playing fast, if they're getting in fast, getting

1113
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 7: out in fast breaks, if they're getting to the rim,

1114
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 7: then I think it's in.

1115
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 5: Then the Fever are in for a good night.

1116
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 7: If if it's slowing down, if the aces are dictating

1117
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 7: tempo and all of that, then I don't like their chances.

1118
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: How important is the Leah Boston going to be.

1119
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 5: Significant? Because of what she has to do at both ends.

1120
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 5: On one end, you're dealing with.

1121
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 7: The MVP, and you know she's probably good for at

1122
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 7: least twenty five points, although we've seen age you have

1123
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 7: a couple bad games in this series, which maybe does

1124
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 7: not portend for a good game five for the Fever

1125
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 7: on that front. But and then on the other side,

1126
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 7: not only is she kind of the hub of the

1127
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 7: offense and playing through her even more this season, but

1128
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 7: on top of that, I mean, what she's had to

1129
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 7: do on the interior, and to me, Jake, what has

1130
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 7: stood out is how aggressive and how feisty and how

1131
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 7: she has not backed down from that challenge because it

1132
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 7: is no easy task and she's doing it and she's

1133
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 7: playing like thirty five or forty minutes per game as well.

1134
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: You know, would you look at and this is Kart

1135
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: before the horse. Scott Agnes is our guest Fieldhouse Files,

1136
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: Fever and Action tonight, Game five against Las Vegas, nine

1137
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: to thirty tip correct, Eddie, Yeah, nine to fifteen. I

1138
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: got the pre game. Eddie will have the pregame as

1139
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: he just mentioned, they're nine to fifteen.

1140
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 4: So for Scott at six fifteen, if he's interested in

1141
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 4: tuning in after Stephanie White's pregame media availability.

1142
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: That's right. Was there a if they were to get

1143
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: and I get it, I mean we're speaking fans speak

1144
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: here because I know from their standpoint it's all about

1145
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: getting the win tonight. But if if they were to advance,

1146
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, I was a little surprised to see Phoenix

1147
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: get past Minnesota. And now maybe that's because I'm not

1148
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: as nuanced in following the matchup of it, which was

1149
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: is that an advantageous matchup for Indiana versus Minnesota?

1150
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 5: I think more so than Phoenix. I mean more than

1151
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 5: just the curse of them playing.

1152
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 7: In Phoenix and all the different injuries that happened there

1153
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 7: was that was a grinded out, physical, grueling series that

1154
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 7: even though in the Fista Colliery if she was healthy

1155
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 7: for Minnesota, you never want to go against that talent.

1156
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 7: I just think Phoenix is a difficult matchup and one

1157
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 7: you would have liked to avoid.

1158
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: Scott. I mentioned this to Stephanie White, and it was

1159
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: interesting because she basically said no in every area without

1160
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: saying no in every area, and that is and follow

1161
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: me here, I'm almost embarrassed to ask it. Okay, they

1162
00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: win tonight, they get into the WNBA Finals, they let's say,

1163
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: steal game one. Any chance that Caitlin Clark makes a return.

1164
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 7: Zero because she's not eligible. They have to have an

1165
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 7: active list going into the postseason.

1166
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 5: She is not on that cause I thought therefore she

1167
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 5: is not available.

1168
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: Okay, see I thought that that. Didn't Stephanie say that

1169
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 1: she wasn't sure of like where that that lied or something,

1170
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: Eddie when we asked her about it. Because there's been

1171
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: so much discussion about it, Scott and I've seen varying

1172
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: accounts as to whether or not she she would be

1173
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: eligible to play. You're saying she would definitively not be eligible.

1174
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: And that's not a finals roll, that's a postseason rule, right, Yes, okay, well, good.

1175
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 5: Back, I understanding ories. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1176
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 7: This is all new territory because there and there's also

1177
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff that's going around the internet, like

1178
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 7: if they're down two more players.

1179
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 5: Do they get an add a place? And it's like,

1180
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 5: uh no, they can't.

1181
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 7: Add any more players should there be more injuries because

1182
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 7: there are no more hardship exceptions in the playoff And

1183
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 7: so the other thing is by not putting.

1184
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 5: Her on the active list, that allowed them.

1185
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 7: To keep the other players, like the hardship players, to

1186
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 7: still be on the roster, or else you would have

1187
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 7: had this sacrifice at least one of those spots.

1188
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: Do you get the impression that Las Vegas is more

1189
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: how do I word this? Their experience at this point

1190
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: is paying dividend for them? Or do they seem to

1191
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: be at times just as on their heels as any

1192
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: other team would be in this situation.

1193
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,959
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say the latter. I think they're trying

1194
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 7: to figure this out on the fly. In as much

1195
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 7: as the fever Head faced their own kind of adversity

1196
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 7: still has this Vegas team. I still think back to

1197
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 7: that early July game Jake and Indianapolis, where outside of

1198
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 7: Asian no one else on that Aces team showed up

1199
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 7: or I think made more than one field goal. It

1200
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 7: was one of the worst, if not the worst opponent

1201
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 7: performances collectively I have ever seen.

1202
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 5: And so then they navigate that, get over that in

1203
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 5: a few weeks, and then.

1204
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 7: They rattle off eighteen or seventeen of eighteen.

1205
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 5: Wins two in the regular season, and so yeah, I think.

1206
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 7: This is a classic case where they're going to hope

1207
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 7: to try to lean on some of that big game

1208
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 7: experience and such. But I don't necessarily have anything like

1209
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 7: one or two points there that we've seen.

1210
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, yeah, they've been here before. You could

1211
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 5: really see it in this moment.

1212
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: Scott, by the way, what have you done in Vegas

1213
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: in your free time?

1214
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 5: Just had a nice dinner and a little gambling.

1215
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: A little gambling, okay, and in the gambling aspect, Eddie's

1216
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: ears perked up. You gambled in what way? Like I

1217
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: only play roulette. By the way, Blacks thirty one hits

1218
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: every time you play what games when you gamble.

1219
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 7: Almost exclusively blackjack. If I'm one with the group, I

1220
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 7: like craps, but not when it's one or two of you.

1221
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: I've never understood that, Like, am I weird that I

1222
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: don't understand craps?

1223
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: Is that?

1224
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 7: Like?

1225
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: Is Crap's one of those games that once you learn it,

1226
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: you don't understand how you didn't learn it. Does that

1227
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: make sense?

1228
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 7: I think that's all the games quite frankly, even like blackjack,

1229
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 7: like all the little nuances right of when you doubled down,

1230
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 7: when you split, like that's where you really get the

1231
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 7: best odds ultimately, So no, I think I think you

1232
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 7: just have to learn by practice through all of these

1233
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 7: except maybe Roulette, where you just pick and choose Scott.

1234
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 4: In the last couple of games, Mikayla Timpson has been

1235
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 4: the first player off the bench for Stephanie White. There

1236
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 4: were so many games through out of the course of

1237
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 4: the regular season, especially down the stretch, A don't I understand?

1238
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 4: This is probably largely connected to Tamoor Staunton's being in

1239
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 4: the concussion protocol, and she's out again tonight for the

1240
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 4: Indiana fever. But what was it about the Las Vegas

1241
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 4: aces that allowed or I guess I should say spark

1242
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 4: Stephanie White to go to Mikayla Timpson instead of Brianna

1243
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 4: Turner or somebody else off to bench first.

1244
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1245
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 5: I think it was mostly physicality.

1246
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 7: She's got that defensive mindset the wingspan as well in

1247
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 7: her activity levels high on the on the Glass and

1248
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 7: they've been so good throughout most of this series on

1249
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 7: the Glass. But the number one thing step points to

1250
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 7: is is her physicality to battle inside and get after it.

1251
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Scott, the the gambling, By the way, I'm back to this.

1252
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: You won or lost?

1253
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 5: Sure, I had a good night last night?

1254
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: So he broke even to find good night? Did it

1255
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: pay for dinner? Yes, pay for the hotel.

1256
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 5: That was comped, but yes, comped.

1257
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: Well, I believe what we're dealing with here is a

1258
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: high roller okay, okay, uh pay for the flight home?

1259
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

1260
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 4: Oh my wow, Scott was a heater last night.

1261
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: You have to pay taxes on it?

1262
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 7: No?

1263
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: No, I wish wow.

1264
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's just a good night.

1265
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1266
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: I guess.

1267
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 5: Look, anybody that knows it knows it's just as easily

1268
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 5: it could be a bad night.

1269
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: Okay, true enough that you could buy yourself Taylor Swift tickets.

1270
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all.

1271
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, do you think it'd be weird if I

1272
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: go to see Oasis in Buenos Aires, Argentina, By the way,

1273
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: not at all if No.

1274
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 7: I think I learned through this whole Daylor Swift thing

1275
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 7: that the concert experience, for the most part, overseas is great.

1276
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 7: It's not better in some circumstance, totally circumstances than here

1277
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 7: in the US.

1278
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: Totally agree, totally agree, all right, Scott, Tonight it is

1279
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: fever in Las Vegas, aces Fieldhouse files all the coverage.

1280
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: Appreciate the time as always. All right, thanks guys, Scott

1281
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: Agnes joining us on the program, Scott, might I say

1282
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: high roller?

1283
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: Agnes?

1284
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 3: Right,