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Speaker 1: Why from Vall Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: When I say to you that the left wants the violence,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that there is nothing that shows me that

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Speaker 2: they are doing anything to try and tone down the rhetoric. Now,

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Speaker 2: I will tell you I have said on this show

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Speaker 2: before that I do not believe that when the writer

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Speaker 2: is told you have to tone down the rhetoric, that

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Speaker 2: they have to go oh yeah, absolutely right away, even

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Speaker 2: though jd Vance did say in the press are yesterday

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Speaker 2: that they want to tone down the rhetoric. What I

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Speaker 2: said to the political left is you first set it

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Speaker 2: right here on the show. And the reason I said

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Speaker 2: it that way is because none of us have rules.

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Speaker 2: We know how this game is played. You conservative, you, Republican,

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Speaker 2: you independent, you, moderate, you, you you you, you. You have

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Speaker 2: to do this and you have to do that, and

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Speaker 2: then everything will be better. You see, everything will just

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Speaker 2: calm down if ICE would just stop doing its job.

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Speaker 2: Everything would just calm down, if Republicans will just do

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Speaker 2: everything we tell them to do. And so you get

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Speaker 2: to a place, you get to a realization that they

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Speaker 2: don't view anybody who disagrees with them as somebody with

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Speaker 2: a political disagreement worthy of discussion. They look at that

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Speaker 2: person as the enemy, which is going to bring us

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Speaker 2: to the conversation from Melanie Phillips that I forgot to

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Speaker 2: get to you yesterday and I feel really bad about

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats. Tony Katz today. Good to be with you,

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Speaker 2: Good to be here. Find everything I do at Tony

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Speaker 2: kats dot com. The situation of toning down the rhetoric

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Speaker 2: doesn't come from the left. They don't tone down rhetoric.

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Speaker 2: They amp it up. And in the days since what

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Speaker 2: Good who was shot by Ice, the left is not

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Speaker 2: told the story of what has happened. Oh gosh, far

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Speaker 2: from it all. Hell No, as Holly Bacon would say,

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Speaker 2: what they have done is said, look at how Ice

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Speaker 2: murders people. These are authoritarians, These are are violent people.

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Speaker 2: They're fascists. Let's go get them and Ice. You have

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Speaker 2: crimes against Ice up eighteen hundred percent, attacks on ICE

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Speaker 2: and specifically the car rammings up thirty three hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: That was the data that I saw. You have non

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Speaker 2: stop attacks on these people. They're being shot at in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: You are seeing in New York where they have these rallies,

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Speaker 2: and what are these rallies about about wanting to see

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Speaker 2: Christine Nome hung? And you say to me, oh, Tony,

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Speaker 2: that's not happening, like I would come without receipts. Boo boo,

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Speaker 2: Christy Nome will hang. That is the sectary of homeland security.

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Speaker 2: That's what's happening. That is the violence. And there is

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Speaker 2: no one on the left, by the way, while they

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Speaker 2: hold signs, if you could see, if you're watching the

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Speaker 2: live stream, while they hold signs that read ice kills.

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Speaker 2: There is not a desire on the political left to

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Speaker 2: amp it up. I've got Congressman Eric Swalwell now saying, hey, Ice,

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Speaker 2: get the blank out of California. Such a tough guy

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Speaker 2: as Eric Swalwell, The mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Pray, get

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Speaker 2: the blank out of Minneapolis, that Beta Mail playing the

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Speaker 2: them with even a willingness to admit what happened that

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Speaker 2: you say to me, Tony, they don't want violence, and

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Speaker 2: watching what it is they're doing, and the only thing

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Speaker 2: me something else. Well, they're just fighting the authoritarianism. They

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Speaker 2: want to hang Christinome. They are attacking ICE agents. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, these attacks were going on long before

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Speaker 2: this woman, Renee Good, who was known as an ICE agitator.

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Speaker 2: By the way, she was known as an agitator, she

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Speaker 2: Multiple opportunities to save her own life, she didn't take it.

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Speaker 2: The left wanted this. I know that's an ugly thing

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Speaker 2: They wanted it. This is exciting to them. This is good.

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Speaker 2: This just proves our point. This is fantastic, This is terrific.

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Speaker 2: This is the mayor of Minneapolis. Now, Producer Landon, you

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Speaker 3: Well, I think what this does ultimately is expose the truth.

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Speaker 3: What did they say when they came in here. What

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Speaker 3: has this administration stated as their reason for coming into

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Speaker 3: driving down crime. We'll let our statistics speak for the trajectory.

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Speaker 3: They are clearly driving crime up. Up until last night,

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Speaker 3: we hadn't had any shootings in this city other than ice.

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Speaker 3: Our city is safe, Our city is welcoming. They are

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Speaker 2: So it is a massive.

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Speaker 3: Issue that they continue to exert their presence in Minneapolis

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Speaker 2: That where a lot of people who are legal hanging out.

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Speaker 2: How dare you? How dare anyone go out there and

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Speaker 2: do something about crime all across the country. It's all

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Speaker 2: what we're looking at. And the Left has absolutely no

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Speaker 2: the radical by the name of Keith Ellison. Again, producer

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Speaker 2: Landon on that dumb button just in case, as he's

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Speaker 2: on the Dino Badala show there from Sirius XM.

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Speaker 4: This is an aspiring fascist dictator tyrant trying to impose

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Speaker 2: That's what's happening.

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Speaker 4: And the sooner we all wake up to it, the

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Speaker 2: What he's saying is the sooner you do something about it.

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Speaker 2: Winky winky. That's exactly what they did regarding President Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump's a fascists, Trump's a dictator. Somebody has to do something.

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Speaker 2: We can't have this Trump, this Trump that those were

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Speaker 2: all calls for a lone wolf. That's how you got

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Speaker 2: the assassination attempt. It is imperative that we understand that

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Speaker 2: the desire here is the violence. That's all there is,

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Speaker 2: and the violence is a tactic utilized to try and

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Speaker 2: get other people to stop doing basic things like, you know,

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Speaker 2: they will stop if you simply stop existing, because the

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Speaker 2: ultimate reality is they have no interest and stopping. This

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Speaker 2: is who they are, This is their belief system, this

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Speaker 2: is how their mechanism works. Somebody has to be oppressing

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Speaker 2: someone somewhere, someone has to be a fascist somewhere in

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Speaker 2: order for them to exist, because if those things aren't

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Speaker 2: there let's say they'd actually have to look at their

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Speaker 2: that's what's causing all the heartache. As I'll get into

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Speaker 2: my conversation with Ed Morrissey, the answer for all central

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Speaker 2: planners when es central plan planning doesn't work is more

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Speaker 2: central planning, never admitting that central planning doesn't get you anywhere. Rather,

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Speaker 2: we need more government. So when you see the violence,

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Speaker 2: they'll never say, okay, we need to tone it down now.

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Speaker 2: The answer is we need more violence to make them stop.

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Speaker 2: We have to thwart these people. These people are destructive,

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Speaker 2: These people are fascists, These people are authoritarians, these people

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Speaker 2: are what was it dictators? Can't put the toothpaste back

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Speaker 2: in the tube or wherever it is, the toothpaste would

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Speaker 2: then go, this is what they want. This is how

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Speaker 2: violent they are. They will look at the attacks on

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Speaker 2: ice and say more faster, and the leadership will say nothing.

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Speaker 2: They're fine with it. They're good with it. But let's

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Speaker 2: make sure we understand what it is that that leadership

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Speaker 2: of Britt Hughes. I do not know Britt Hughes, but

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Speaker 2: Britt Hughes made a heck of points on social media,

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Speaker 5: Just want to get this straight here. Lake and Riley

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Speaker 5: Joscelyn Nungerray was twelve years old when she was raped

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Speaker 2: That's outrageously factual. When these things happen, they're not outraged,

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Speaker 2: they're not upset, they're not angered, they have nothing, and

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Speaker 2: they say, let's not solve the problem. They say, how

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Speaker 2: dare you solve the problem? That the that the idea

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Speaker 2: of admitting there's a problem is the most evil thing.

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Speaker 2: You can't even admit that, because that's to be bigoted.

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Speaker 2: We can't have that. No, No, the problem is problem

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Speaker 2: is you Republicans. So legal immigrants should remain on the streets.

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Speaker 2: The fraud should continue, whether it be from Samali Nationals

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Speaker 2: or Americans or anybody else. Ice should not exist, law

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Speaker 2: Oh but you Republicans, your conservatives, re education camps for

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Speaker 2: the lot of you. And please, it's not me saying it.

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Speaker 2: That is out there from esteemed voices on the left.

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Speaker 2: You think the violence is temporary. I think the violence

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Speaker 2: is the byproduct of years of Marxism that went unchecked,

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Speaker 2: and here we are. The class struggle is about the

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Speaker 2: and the oppressed is therefore justified in any violent act

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Speaker 2: someone somewhere must always be what the oppressor, and so

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Speaker 2: the violence continues. When I tell you that the left

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Speaker 2: wants this, this is not hyperbole. This is deducing what

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Speaker 2: it is that they have been engaged in. What if

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Speaker 2: they have been indoctrinated in, what they have been learning

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Speaker 2: and what they have taught, and this is the result

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Speaker 2: and we're in it and the only way out is

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Speaker 2: through and making sure these people don't win elections, starting

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Speaker 2: with the midterms. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz. Today.

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Speaker 2: depth with doctor Matt Will, economist at the University of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Me I'm Tony Katz. The show is Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, the UAE Ministry of Education moved all

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Speaker 2: British universities from its approved list for government scholarships, citing

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Speaker 2: risks of Islamist radicalization linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. So

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Speaker 2: the UAE won't allow citizens to study in British universities

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Speaker 2: for fear of being radicalized by the Muslim Brotherhood Islamists

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Speaker 2: on those campuses. That's two I have a friend. One

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Speaker 2: is a coincidence, two is a data point. Three as

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Speaker 2: a trend. He'll text me, He'll remind me what it

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Speaker 2: is we're seeing for the first time that I can

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Speaker 2: note a recognition that a reformation is necessary in Islam,

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Speaker 2: which we've discussed here. If you don't have that, and

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Speaker 2: you have these Islamists who truly believe they are they truly,

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Speaker 2: truly truly believe that their job is indeed takeover. This

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Speaker 2: is just one of many many posts that exists out

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Speaker 2: there from these Islamists on social media and other places.

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Speaker 7: We don't say that Islam is here to live, you know,

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Speaker 7: to coexists with sto lots of different religions and all

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Speaker 7: of us can just hold hans of befriends. This religion

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Speaker 7: was sent to dominate the world. It was sent to

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Speaker 7: be superior to extinguish the light of every other religion

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Speaker 7: and to be superior to it. But we're not shy

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Speaker 7: to see it. And we don't find that to be

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Speaker 7: something that we should be shy to see. That this

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Speaker 7: religion has been sent to dominate, to wipe out, to

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Speaker 7: take out every other religion too.

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Speaker 2: Well, sounds like a religion a peace to me. Are

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Speaker 2: we seeing a recognition that you cannot coexist with the Islamists?

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Speaker 2: You cannot have the Islamists? And we are seeing news

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Speaker 2: organizations refuse to report on what's happening in Iran because

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Speaker 2: they don't want to upset the Islamist. There's so much

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Speaker 2: truth in that. My God, Well said, keep it here.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Kats. This is Tony Kats today. So I'd

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Speaker 2: asked usial landon what did we be discussing next? And

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Speaker 2: he said, well, what about Representative Costume Cortes accusing Jesse

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Speaker 2: Waters of sexual harassment? And I said, oh, yeah, that

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Speaker 2: is insane. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be

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Speaker 2: with you. Did you not hear this? This happened. Jesse

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Speaker 2: Waters didn't do anything wrong. I've never met Jesse, I've

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Speaker 2: never worked with Jesse nothing but she actually accused him

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Speaker 2: of harassments, and it was caught on video. In terms

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Speaker 2: of the questions that were asked of a Cossio Cortes, here,

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Speaker 2: excuse them, buddy.

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Speaker 8: He has sexualized me on his show. He has sexually

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Speaker 8: harassed me on his show.

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Speaker 5: He has engaged in horrific sexually.

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Speaker 8: Exploitative It's true.

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Speaker 5: It is true, because he accused me of sleepy, of

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Speaker 5: wanting to quote unquote sleep with Stephen Miller. So why

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Speaker 5: don't you tell me what you think is acceptable to

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Speaker 5: tell a woman?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? I'll tell you. Maybe you want to sleep

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Speaker 2: with Stephen Miller.

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: Who the hell are you? Aren't you the one? Wait

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Speaker 2: a second, wasn't a Cosio Cortes who said about somebody,

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Speaker 2: Oh they just want to date me? Wasn't that her?

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Speaker 2: You don't think it's wrong to say. No one's ever

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Speaker 2: said of a man, oh he just wants to sleep with.

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Speaker 2: No one ever said a woman, oh she just wants

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Speaker 2: to sleep with I'm not saying that we shouldn't talk

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Speaker 2: like that, But here you are answering a question. I

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Speaker 2: think that's one of Jesse Water's producers. I think that's

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Speaker 2: who that was. And you just make this accusation of

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Speaker 2: sexual harassment. You're weak, you really are. You're weak. And

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Speaker 2: I think the issue is that she's upset that Jesse

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Speaker 2: Waters won't dat her. I think that's very obvious at

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Speaker 2: this stage. How dare he be a happily married man

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Speaker 2: with a new baby. Why won't he love me? That's

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Speaker 2: a jilted lover. Acossia Cortez right there, Tony.

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Speaker 1: Why from vall Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. And while absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Everything is about what's happening with Ice, what's happening across

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Speaker 2: the country, how the political left is not only engaged

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Speaker 2: in violence, they support it, they want it, They fantasize

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Speaker 2: about it. This is their moment. They don't look at

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Speaker 2: this and say, tone down the rhetoric. They look at

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Speaker 2: this and say, when will the right crack? Tony Katz,

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. Find everything

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Speaker 2: I do over at Tony Katz dot com. But it's

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Speaker 2: not just this that's happening. Yesterday, with very little fanfare,

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Speaker 2: House Republicans voted with Democrats to extend Obamacare subsidies for

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Speaker 2: three more years, just you know, because why not so

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Speaker 2: they had to shutdown. They didn't get what they want.

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Speaker 2: They were promised that we would have another vote, and

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Speaker 2: Republicans said, three more years of this, of subsidies that

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Speaker 2: were only covid era for an Obamacare that's opposed to

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Speaker 2: lower costs. Is this rational or is all politics local?

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Speaker 2: Ed Marssey joins me right now from hot air dot com,

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Speaker 2: where he is the Kappa dituiti kappo over there. Good

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Speaker 2: to see, Ed. We will get into ice we've got.

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Speaker 2: We can go very very deep there specifically and especially

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Speaker 2: about what we're talking about regarding Western civilization, which I

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Speaker 2: won't stop from. This is obvious. The Marxism has taken hold.

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Speaker 2: If you send your kids to universities, you're out of

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Speaker 2: your head. Well, depending on the university. We have a

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Speaker 2: real danger here. But Republicans voting for Obamacare subsidies seventeen,

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Speaker 2: I think Republicans voted with the Democrats. Do you see

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Speaker 2: this as well? I guess Obamacare is going to stay

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Speaker 2: for the rest of Trump's presidency or is this Well,

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Speaker 2: you do this so the Republicans can say they voted

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Speaker 2: for that, and then you make moves in the Senate

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Speaker 2: and it'll be what it.

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Speaker 9: Is, well, I mean, certainly the possibilities there right, and

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Speaker 9: we've talked about this is that I would have maybe said,

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Speaker 9: if you're looking to protect yourself on this, you do

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Speaker 9: year a one year extension of the subsidies, and then

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Speaker 9: you introduce a reconciliation package, you try to undo everything.

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Speaker 10: And that may still be what's going to happen, which.

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Speaker 9: Is that they can introduce a reconciliation package that will

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Speaker 9: then address the entirety of Obamacare. The problem is that

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Speaker 9: Republicans really don't have a plan to deal with the

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Speaker 9: entirety of Obamacare. They still fifteen years down the road

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Speaker 9: still have not figured out what it is that they

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Speaker 9: want to do about it, or sixteen years down the

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Speaker 9: road now, but at least that possibility does exist. A

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Speaker 9: three year extension doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

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Speaker 9: It's better than a two year extension, which would have

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Speaker 9: been in the middle of an election cycle. But really, honestly,

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Speaker 9: the one year extension would have been sufficient to do

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Speaker 9: what it is that's happening here. The reason why it's

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Speaker 9: a three year extension, of course, is because Mike Johnson

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Speaker 9: didn't get in front of this. Hakem Jeffries brought up

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Speaker 9: a a bill I'm trying to discharge petition that forced

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Speaker 9: the issue. And because Hakim Jeffries and his caucus wrote

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Speaker 9: that it was three years, and some Republicans who are

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Speaker 9: representing moderate districts who are at risk in the midterms

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Speaker 9: could not felt that they could not withstand the political

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Speaker 9: pressure of voting against this, and so winning Jeffries played

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Speaker 9: it smart.

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Speaker 10: I mean that's he played it smart. That was smart.

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Speaker 2: One of the other arguments could be, sa, you know

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Speaker 2: you can't I think that we need to get rid

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Speaker 2: of Obamacare. Of course, you know that is in the

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Speaker 2: end it has to be ripped out by the route,

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Speaker 2: but in the extension of subsidies. Now, if it is

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Speaker 2: indeed three years, Hakim Jeffries took it off the table

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Speaker 2: for the midterms, nevermind for twenty twenty eight. So is

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Speaker 2: that the smartest approach that the left could take here,

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Speaker 2: because now it looks like it doesn't even look like that.

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Speaker 2: Look what we did to the Republicans. The whole subject

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Speaker 2: kind of gets washed away.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean he teed it up for the presidential elections,

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Speaker 9: which is the reason why you have the three year Right, Well,

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Speaker 9: let me take that back. He teed it up past

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Speaker 9: the presidential elections. So yes, again, one in three are

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Speaker 9: not bad numbers for Republicans.

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Speaker 10: Two would have been the worst or excuse me, one

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Speaker 10: and well, I have.

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Speaker 9: To figure this out because the math changed after the

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Speaker 9: first of the year, and I have to go back

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Speaker 9: and rethink that three puts it to twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 9: so it's passed the presidential election. One would have put

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Speaker 9: it just past the midterms, but it would have been

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Speaker 9: an issue in the mid terms.

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Speaker 2: Two.

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Speaker 9: None of these numbers are great, But again, the Republicans

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Speaker 9: aren't on offense here, and that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 9: They should have They should have known that this was

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Speaker 9: coming up. Everybody knew that this was coming up. The

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Speaker 9: expiration of these subsidies has been known since they were

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Speaker 9: first passed. They chose to do a reconciliation package, but

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Speaker 9: didn't address this in the reconciliation package. They addressed other

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Speaker 9: issues in that one big, beautiful bill. This is a

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Speaker 9: strategic choice, I guess by Mike Johnson in the White

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Speaker 9: House is not a very good one. But they do

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Speaker 9: have the ability now with the new budget Resolution that

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Speaker 9: they can pass probably in February March to open up

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Speaker 9: a new reconciliation package that will deal with this issue.

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Speaker 9: But they have to have something to replace it, and

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Speaker 9: something that's going to get the majority in the House,

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Speaker 9: where now they're down to I think basically two seat

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Speaker 9: margin because the death of a Republican last week I believe.

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Speaker 2: It was in California, and then you have the retirement

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Speaker 2: to Marjorie Taylor Green. But the point is taken. You

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Speaker 2: can actually hear people saying, how is it possible that

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Speaker 2: this Republican Party does not have a plan? Nothing in

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Speaker 2: goats on the subject of Obamacare. How many years does

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Speaker 2: it take to engage your strategicy in order to be

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Speaker 2: able to say this sucks, this is better. We're going

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Speaker 2: to go do this and do it quick, do it fast.

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Speaker 2: You've got the leadership, you've got the control of the

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Speaker 2: House and the Senate. Boom, get it done. And still nothing.

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Speaker 2: And this is the frustration point. What do you know

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Speaker 2: about where that frustration point is within the Republican Party

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Speaker 2: or are they just like inurd to it and don't

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Speaker 2: actually care.

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Speaker 9: I think that they've kind of given up on getting

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Speaker 9: a head of healthcare in terms of credibility with voters.

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Speaker 10: It's a mistake, but I think they've.

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Speaker 9: Kind of given up on it, and I think they've

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Speaker 9: kind of given up on getting rid of Obamacare.

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Speaker 10: I think they figure that they're stuck.

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Speaker 9: With it now and the only thing they can do

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Speaker 9: is nibble at the margins of this thing, which is

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Speaker 9: a terrible decision. But the truth is that Democrats have

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Speaker 9: more credibility on this issue than Republicans do. That's a

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Speaker 9: historical fact. Even though Obamacare it turns out to be terrible.

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Speaker 9: The problem with making that decision is that Obamacare is

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Speaker 9: going to collapse one way or the other.

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Speaker 10: I mean, this is already part of the collapse.

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Speaker 9: And the only option at the end of that kind

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Speaker 9: of a collapse is Medicare for all, where you basically

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Speaker 9: adopt socialized medicine, you nationalize the healthcare system, and that's

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Speaker 9: an even bigger disaster.

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Speaker 10: That's where the left is pushing for.

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Speaker 9: Obamacare was always just a tee up for socialized medicine,

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Speaker 9: whether you call it, medicare for all, whatever you call it,

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Speaker 9: and that's exactly where the left wants.

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Speaker 10: To take this. It was a transition to socialized medicine,

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Speaker 10: and it's working.

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Speaker 2: Well. I don't I don't know if we say it

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Speaker 2: it's working. If you're arguing that as a matter of policy,

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Speaker 2: for Democrats who want Medicaid for all, it's the Bernie

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Speaker 2: Sanders dream. This failed, so you can use another failure.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yes, okay, and that does that's working.

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Speaker 9: The problem is that they're establishing more and more government

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Speaker 9: intervention in the healthcare markets. And this is I mean,

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Speaker 9: you can read Hyek for this is that when government

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Speaker 9: intervention in a in an economic central planning fails, the

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Speaker 9: answer is always more and more government intervention because the.

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Speaker 10: People who fail at it are really.

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Speaker 9: Aiming for that type of thing anyway, and they what

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Speaker 9: they believe that they can force outcomes through central planning.

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Speaker 9: And again, if you read The Road to Serve Them

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Speaker 9: by F. A. Hyek, you can see exactly how this

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Speaker 9: kind of thing works. It's not just on the macro.

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Speaker 10: Political scale of socialism.

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Speaker 9: It's also in these I wouldn't necessarily call it micro

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Speaker 9: but in the subsidiary subsets of economic questions of central planning.

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Speaker 9: Obamacare is central planning. It's failing. The answer to that

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Speaker 9: is going to be more central planning, with more force

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Speaker 9: and a little bit more brutal application, because that's exactly

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Speaker 9: the cycle that this coaster.

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Speaker 2: Then the left never learns from their mistake. They never

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Speaker 2: admit to the mistake. The problem is you didn't let

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Speaker 2: them implement it faithfully, properly in its totality. And it's

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Speaker 2: never been tried. True socialism has never been tried. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: socialism has never been tried. I've got more with Ed

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Speaker 2: Morrissey coming up. Keep it right here. I'm Tony Katz,

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Speaker 2: and this is Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 11: Well, when News Nation investigates, the impact can be swift

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Speaker 11: in part from a NewsNation exclusive we brought you last night.

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Speaker 11: We told you about how a small community in Maine

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Speaker 11: alleges that money for mass shooting victims instead went to

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Speaker 11: a Somali linked nonprofit.

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Speaker 2: dot tony katz dot com. This is Maine. The reporting

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Speaker 2: there from News Nation. They're raising money to help victims

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Speaker 2: of a shooting and it ends up in the pockets

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Speaker 2: of Somali nationals and people who hail from Somalia. And

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Speaker 2: when people say, well, you can't talk that way about Somalians,

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Speaker 2: I can notice something's happening in Minnesota. In Maine, where

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Speaker 2: did everybody learn to game the system so well? This

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Speaker 2: is this is unbelievable. Every time you see the gaming

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Speaker 2: of the system, everybody else is like, what am I

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Speaker 2: being such a schmuck working for Listen to this story.

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Speaker 11: Well, tonight, less than twenty four hours after our report aired,

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Speaker 11: Lewiston City council member Emmon Osman, who is a smally refugee,

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Speaker 11: is stepping down. He didn't give a reason, but News

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Speaker 11: Nation has learned his nonprofit was one of dozens that

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Speaker 11: received some of that money raised for these shooting victims.

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Speaker 11: Not only that, it turns out Osmond has two felony

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Speaker 11: gun charges and faked his address. News Nation investigative correspondent

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Speaker 11: rich McHugh has been digging into this and joins me, now,

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Speaker 11: you broke this news last night. How did this unfold today?

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Speaker 12: It's been wild, Elizabeth, and it's still actually unfolding. There's

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Speaker 12: an emergency city council meeting happening right now in the

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Speaker 12: building behind me. They're trying to figure out what exactly

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Speaker 12: to do. So just to reset, Lewiston had one of

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Speaker 12: the worst mass shootings in our country's history. The country

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Speaker 12: rallied behind, raised a bunch of money, over six million dollars.

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Speaker 2: There was the main community foundation.

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Speaker 12: They promised everybody that all of the moneies were going

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Speaker 12: to go to the victims and their families. Well, it

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Speaker 12: turns out that about thirty percent one point nine million

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Speaker 12: went not to the families and victims. We went to nonprofits.

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Speaker 12: We found that at least nine of them were immigrant focused.

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Speaker 12: At least seven of them were Somali linked nonprofits.

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Speaker 2: Now, I can't make it up. And if you want

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Speaker 2: to call me a znfo or a biggot or a racist,

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Speaker 2: first of all, secondly, it's the news. It's right there,

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Speaker 2: good lord man. People how how do they learn to

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Speaker 2: manipulate the system? And listen to how they did it.

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Speaker 12: One of those nonprofits is the Lewiston Auburn Youth Network.

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Speaker 12: They received sixty five thousand dollars. The Somali man who

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Speaker 12: runs it, you mom Osmond, sworn in a city councilor

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Speaker 12: this week. He stepped down this morning and so we've

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Speaker 12: done some digging. He's facing felony gun charges. He has

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Speaker 12: pled not guilty to that. He ran for city council

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Speaker 12: here using the dress. That is a condemned chicken restaurant.

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Speaker 12: I went there and looked inside earlier.

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Speaker 2: There's a picture of it. There's a picture. It's called

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Speaker 2: fast wicked Chicken. By the way, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's cliche or just genius that your location is a

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Speaker 2: condemned chicken restaurant. Not a shutdown chicken restaurant. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: not a doing poorly chicken restaurant. This guy clearly never

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Speaker 2: heard of Gus s. Fring. It's a condemned chicken restaurant.

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Speaker 2: And if you're like, who in the world does Gus Fring?

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Speaker 2: That's the guy who owned the chicken place in Breaking Bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're welcome. That's right. Tony got all culture all up

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Speaker 2: in there. I have questions. Galore directed thirty percent of

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Speaker 2: the money that was supposed to go to these victims

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Speaker 2: families to nonprofits. Seven of nine Somali run. This is his.

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Speaker 12: Nonprofit received the sixty five thousand from the Lewiston Victims Fund.

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Speaker 12: When survivors like Jennifer Zinka shot twice, received a mirror

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Speaker 12: thirty two thousand dollars and couldn't pay for her surgeries,

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Speaker 12: take a listen.

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Speaker 13: It didn't really hit me and really upset me until

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Speaker 13: I was in a position ninety three thousand dollars hospital

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Speaker 13: bill that I couldn't cover.

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Speaker 2: So that's a story that is a crazy story. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we're going to notice now I've been asked in a

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Speaker 2: very very silly question Tony, tell us about those Islamis

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Speaker 2: you're so scared of, why do they hate America? I

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Speaker 2: think that you're saying this very very wrong, and it's purposeful.

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Speaker 2: And it's purposeful because you either lack the ability to

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Speaker 2: engage honestly or you think this is some kind of dig.

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Speaker 2: The Islamist believes in a worldwide caliphate. The Islamist believes

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Speaker 2: that Islam should control the world. Remember, this is not

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Speaker 2: a religion, This is a political system, and they believe

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Speaker 2: that they are touched by God to engage this implementation

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Speaker 2: at all costs, including through lying, including through manipulation, and yes,

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Speaker 2: including through violence. Not because I say so, but because

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Speaker 2: they say so. Now, if you're angry at me, this

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Speaker 2: guy's name is Alexander. If you're angry at me, Alexander

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Speaker 2: for noticing what it is that they themselves, the Islamists

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Speaker 2: have said, you can be angry at me. But I'm

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Speaker 2: still gonna notice, kitten. I'm happy to notice what it

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Speaker 2: is that they say. Why won't you? Why won't others?

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Speaker 2: Christians cannot live with Islamist Jews cannot live with Islamists.

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Speaker 2: Muslims cannot live with Islamis. They can't This is the

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Speaker 2: reality of the situation. They have made it clear. They

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Speaker 2: want domination. They are believers that you must submit or die.

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Speaker 2: They want you to pay the jiji, which is the

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Speaker 2: tax for the non believers. Why in the world would

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Speaker 2: anybody question something that is clearly factual When it comes

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Speaker 2: to the Somali nationals or people who are Somalian and

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Speaker 2: are American citizens, the fraud connected to Somali something is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how can you not notice it? It's shocking.

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Speaker 2: The people charged with crimes are the ones dealing with crimes.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say you should go about attacking a whole

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Speaker 2: group of people. Oh your question is why would they

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Speaker 2: be attacking the United States? Oh gosh. Your answer, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to assume is because the US does this, does that,

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Speaker 2: and does the other. And my answer is because throughout

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Speaker 2: history the Islamist has been an invader and an attempted conqueror,

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Speaker 2: and they engage in making sure that they leave some

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Speaker 2: type of statement in places that they have had conquest over,

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Speaker 2: and they believe that once they've conquered it, they should

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Speaker 2: be allowed to reconquer it. And since the United States

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Speaker 2: and Western civilization stands in their way of a worldwide caliphate.

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Speaker 2: That's why. If you want to argue it's because the

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Speaker 2: US intervenes here and the US intervenes there, that is

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Speaker 2: not the facts. Even if you want to argue against

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Speaker 2: American policy in the pastor right now, that's totally fine.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't change what they believe. Their goal is as

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Speaker 2: presented to them through the Qur'an. Get angry all you want,

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Speaker 2: it's right there in Surah after Surah after Surah. That's

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Speaker 2: what we're dealing with. That's what we're dealing with. And

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Speaker 2: you ask, now, if they want to spread a caliphate,

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Speaker 2: you think they conquer smaller, weaker Christians countries first, you

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Speaker 2: mean like France in the UK. Hey man, thanks for

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Speaker 2: the comments. I'm more than happy to have explained this

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Speaker 2: to you. Keep it here. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: So exactly how violent is the left I'll answer you

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Speaker 2: outrageously violent. And there is nobody within that party, in

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Speaker 2: any level of quote unquote so called leadership, that wants

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Speaker 2: it to stop. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to

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Speaker 2: be with you. Let me bring back Ed Morrissey and

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Speaker 2: continue our conversation. Tony Katz, good to be with you

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Speaker 2: with Edmarrissey right here from hotair dot com. Let's get

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Speaker 2: into now the part two, which is what we are

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Speaker 2: seeing regarding immigrations, immigration and customs in enforcement. Now you

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Speaker 2: got the piece right here. The new CNN video activists

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Speaker 2: blocked the road accelerated toward ICE agent walking across is

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Speaker 2: about this woman, Renee Good, who was shot and killed

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Speaker 2: when engaged with ICE officers. She is the one who

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Speaker 2: is in her car blocking the roadway. She is the

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Speaker 2: one who did not listen to ICE agents when she

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Speaker 2: was ordered out of the car. She then backed up

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Speaker 2: the wheel spun when she started going forward. She started

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Speaker 2: going forward and turning to the right, shots were fired.

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Speaker 2: She was killed. The leftists call ICE agents murderers. They

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Speaker 2: don't even want to know what happened. They don't want

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Speaker 2: you to know what happened with the story. They just

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Speaker 2: want to scream murder. So does Alexandria Cosi Cortez, So

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Speaker 2: does Eric Swallwell, so Doaes the tough guy mayor of Minneapolis,

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Speaker 2: Jacob Fray. All they want to do is scream murder.

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Speaker 2: And then you had another incident with ICE in Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 2: You're seeing ICE agents being rammed by cars, being blocked

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Speaker 2: in by other people their vehicles all the time. First,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about what you're writing about with this new

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Speaker 2: CNN video that I guess in your review makes the

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Speaker 2: proof of this was self defense and the woman was

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Speaker 2: in the wrong concrete.

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Speaker 9: So what this shows is some some things that we

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Speaker 9: had been told, but the previous videos were very short, right,

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Speaker 9: so you didn't see the context of everything that happened.

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Speaker 9: This woman pulled up and parked normally on the street.

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Speaker 9: And this, by the way, this video is coming from

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Speaker 9: residential surveillance system that CNN acquired, and you know, kudos

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Speaker 9: to CNN for actually running this because they didn't have to,

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Speaker 9: but they did. It's about a four minute long clip.

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Speaker 9: You see the car pull up normally, park normally. A

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Speaker 9: woman gets out, who is very very likely, if not obviously,

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Speaker 9: the driver's wife, who was known to be on scene

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Speaker 9: in filming this for SoCal for social media output, and

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Speaker 9: then re park the car perpendicular to the curb so

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Speaker 9: that it obstructs the street at least partly obstructs the street. Now,

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Speaker 9: there's an ice operation going on there, and you mentioned this.

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Speaker 9: There have been numerous attempts to block in Ice agents

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Speaker 9: with vehicles or with crowds of people, which isolates them

855
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Speaker 9: and sets them up for an ambush. And we can

856
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Speaker 9: get back to what the Chicago Police she had to

857
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 9: say about that, maybe in a moment, but at any rate,

858
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Speaker 9: she's It shows her deliberately parking her car perpendicularly and

859
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Speaker 9: when Ice agents see this, they start coming to the

860
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Speaker 9: car and they we know from other videos that they're

861
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Speaker 9: trying to tell her to get out of the car

862
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Speaker 9: because she's obstructing a law enforcement operation, which is a crime.

863
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Speaker 9: Rather than get out of the car, which is what

864
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Speaker 9: she's supposed to do. This is a you know, is

865
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Speaker 9: a legal order and she's supposed to comply with it.

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Speaker 9: She accelerates and she's driving towards an officer, and this

867
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Speaker 9: video shows that the officer was just crossing in front

868
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Speaker 9: of the car at the time, probably to support one

869
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Speaker 9: of his partners at the driver's side door.

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Speaker 10: She accelerates toward the guy.

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Speaker 9: I'm still not clear whether or not he was actually

872
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Speaker 9: physically struck, but that is assault with the deadly weapon,

873
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Speaker 9: and considering the context of the potential ambush and everything

874
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Speaker 9: else that was going on that day, there is certainly

875
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Speaker 9: a reasonable fear that this person was trying to hit

876
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Speaker 9: and run over this law enforcement agent who pulls out

877
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Speaker 9: his weapon and fires I believe three shots, at least

878
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Speaker 9: one of which hit the driver and killed her.

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Speaker 10: And so this makes it clear that.

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00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 9: This isn't just oh, they just happened to pull somebody

881
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 9: over randomly and then shot her.

882
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 10: Being she was being.

883
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Speaker 9: Asked to get out of the car because she was

884
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Speaker 9: obstructing the street in this operation, and it looked like

885
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Speaker 9: an ambush, or at least the start of an ambush.

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Speaker 9: And it's not the first time that ICE agents have

887
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Speaker 9: had to deal with that sort of thing, So I

888
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 9: think it's very interesting context. Again, there's going to be

889
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 9: tons of video. Tom Homan made this point to CBS News,

890
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Speaker 9: So I'm not going to reach a conclusion on this

891
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 9: because there's going to be tons of video that I'm

892
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 9: gonna have to look at in order to conclude what

893
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 9: happened here. But it does show the entire context of,

894
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 9: or at least the entire sequence of what happened there.

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Speaker 10: It's a very deliberate.

896
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 9: Attempt to interfere with ICE operations that in itself is

897
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Speaker 9: at least a misdemeanor. It's an obstruction of law enforcement.

898
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 9: That's at least a misdemeanor, and it certainly a justification

899
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Speaker 9: for asking the woman to step out of the car

900
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 9: to determine what it was that her intentions were. She

901
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 9: could have chosen differently at many different steps. Right, She

902
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 9: could have chosen to not block the street. She could

903
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 9: have just been there as an observer and that would

904
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Speaker 9: have been legal. Stay on the sidewalk, put it, you know,

905
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 9: pull out your phone. You can videotape all you like

906
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 9: from there. That's legal. She could have left the scene.

907
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 9: She could have stepped out of the car when law

908
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 9: enforcement gave her a legal order to do so. Instead,

909
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 9: she chose to try to flee and hit an officer

910
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 9: at least looked like she was trying to hit an officer.

911
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 9: That that's a choice, and she suffered the consequences of it.

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Speaker 2: This is the point. Talking to Edmarssey of hotair dot com,

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Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey m O R R I S S E

914
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Speaker 2: Y on the Twitter X if you want to follow him,

915
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Speaker 2: and you should that first, we have the left unwilling

916
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Speaker 2: to tell the whole story. You had Chris Hayes on

917
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Speaker 2: with Stephen Colbert. You have Rachel Maddow on with Jimmy Kimmel,

918
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: where Rachel Mattow is actually having a conversation. Well, you know,

919
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 2: they tell us that if three and a half percent

920
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 2: of a population rises up against an authorian dictator, that

921
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: authoritarian dictator three and a half percent of the country,

922
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Speaker 2: if they rise up against an authoritarian, then that person falls.

923
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Speaker 2: They are still pushing for the violence, and this is

924
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: the story. They don't tell you what happened. We are

925
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: at the play set, and I think everybody knows this,

926
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: but as we have to be engaging it in full.

927
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Speaker 2: The response to this was not whoa whoa wah, everybody

928
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: needs to calm down. It was ier murderers iceer fascists,

929
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: ier authoritarians attack ICE more, go after Ice more. Let's

930
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 2: post more videos of people blocking ICE agents in and laughing.

931
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: Let's post more videos of this sixty some odd year

932
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: old woman screaming hysterically at ICE agents with her sign

933
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Speaker 2: shoot me. I don't know if you saw that video,

934
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: see that. It's maddening, you know, And I could go

935
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: into an entire ranch about liberal white women. But this

936
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: is this is bigger, This is stronger. The left as

937
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: a party is encouraging the violence. You had Jacob Frey,

938
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Speaker 2: the mayor of Minneapolis, tell Ice, get the blank out

939
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: of Ice. Then you have Eric Swalwell, the congressman from California,

940
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 2: telling Ice get the blank out of California. Me personally,

941
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Speaker 2: I want Swallwell just to say the blank out of

942
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: Chinese spies. That would make me much happier.

943
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Speaker 10: But you have I make the Chinese spy happier too.

944
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Speaker 9: Actually, I mean, let's face it, it might have made the

945
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Speaker 9: Chinese spy happier too, So.

946
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Speaker 10: Yes, okay.

947
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Speaker 2: The clear story here is that there is no desire

948
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: to reduce temperature. The only desire is to increase temperature.

949
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: And the only way this goes this increased temperature is

950
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 2: more violence, is more destruction. This is proof that the

951
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: Marxism is at play here. It has taken hold, and

952
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: the party doesn't actually have any connection to a Democrat

953
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: party that's over This is a progressive party. This is

954
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 2: a Marxist run party. If we want to talk about

955
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 2: who wants in relationship to the Obamacare conversation, it's Bernie

956
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 2: Sanders who has won this thing overall. And we are

957
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 2: here and the party must be prepared to address the Republicans, independence, moderates, Americans,

958
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: rational people, etc. Have to be prepared for the fact

959
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 2: that the violence is going to be taught in schools,

960
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: and the violence is going to be perpetrated on the streets,

961
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Speaker 2: and the media is going to look at the violent,

962
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 2: peopless heroes and the people saying leave me alone as

963
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Speaker 2: the villains. How is this counter Well.

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Speaker 9: First off, I agree with you, and I want to

965
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 9: just make a distinction here too, because we've always had

966
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 9: people shooting their mouths off right about about police in

967
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 9: general and all sorts of different things. In this case, though,

968
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Speaker 9: you had the governor of the state and the mayor

969
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 9: of the city that we're talking about going to war

970
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 9: with the federal government that the federal government didn't have

971
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 9: any jurisdiction in their state and in their city, and

972
01:04:55,800 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 9: trying to gin up outrage in the immediate aftermath this shooting,

973
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Speaker 9: trying to generate a riot in a place that famously

974
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 9: touched off riots across the United States six years ago.

975
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 9: We got a little lesson six years ago. Then, apparently

976
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 9: somebody must have whispered into Tim Watz's ear about the

977
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 9: Insurrection Act and Donald Trump's very likely decision to invoke

978
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 9: it if Tim Waltz kept talking about going to war

979
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 9: with the with Ice agents using the State National Guard,

980
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 9: because then Waltz got.

981
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 10: Up and said, Okay, don't do anything. Don't do anything.

982
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 10: Don't don't give Hi an excuse to invoke.

983
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 9: The Insurrection Act, because the Insurrection Act is something that

984
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 9: Trump has basically plenary authority to invoke. And Tim Watts

985
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 9: was basically declaring a rebellion by saying that the state

986
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 9: was or at least intimating that the state was going

987
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 9: to go to war against the federal government by blocking

988
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 9: federal agents from enforcing federal law.

989
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 10: In the state of Minnesota.

990
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 9: I mean, it's different when officials do this then it

991
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 9: is when just loud mouths on social media or on

992
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 9: street corners do it. That's the difference in this case.

993
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: Now, before we go any further, since it is everyone,

994
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: it is politicos, and it is those in the media,

995
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: whether they be on the so called news side, as

996
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: if you want to argue that MS now or miss

997
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 2: now is actually.

998
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 10: I call it M Snow. I call it M Snow.

999
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 9: I loved their ad where they were sitting there were

1000
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 9: all the all the white women were talking about how

1001
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 9: they were fighting for civil rights, and they had the

1002
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 9: they had the actors of color doing the chin stroking

1003
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 9: and nodding, their nodding their heads. I call it M Snow,

1004
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 9: and that is the way I'm always going to refer

1005
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 9: to that channel from from this point forward. M.

1006
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 10: Snow.

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01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: You've got the so called news, the so called journalists,

1008
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: you have the late night TV. You have the politicos

1009
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: all in concert pushing for, advocating, for supporting and not

1010
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: condemning violence. Therefore, the violence becomes the standard in the

1011
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: norm and the you know, I argue often that the

1012
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: only way out is through. But is this different in

1013
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: the pantheon of American politics and American culture?

1014
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 9: I think it's similar to what we saw in the

1015
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 9: late sixties and early seventies, with more in Vietnam especially.

1016
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 10: You know, it calmed down after the war was over,

1017
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 10: but we were seeing.

1018
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 9: This type of radical stuff, even from even from politicians

1019
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 9: in that period of time. And I've talked with people

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01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 9: who were adults who passed through that era. I was

1021
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 9: a kid, and so I have at least some you know,

1022
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 9: some recollection of this era, but not in depth and sophisticated.

1023
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: I've read about it since then.

1024
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 9: So I understand it, but it didn't necessarily lived through

1025
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 9: it as an adult. People who did say that this

1026
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 9: is actually starting.

1027
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 10: To approach those levels where they were very.

1028
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 9: Concerned about things like armed rebellions, and you're going to

1029
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 9: see groups like the Weathermen and the Symbionese Liberation Army

1030
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 9: and that sort of thing start to form if politics

1031
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 9: don't start acting responsibly, and if the media doesn't start

1032
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 9: acting responsibly and I'm talking about the media across the

1033
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 9: entire board the the Just to make this point, your

1034
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 9: point a little bit broader.

1035
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 10: The movie that's probably going to win.

1036
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 9: The Oscars and the most Oscars this year is the

1037
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 9: one with Leonardo DiCaprio. And I'm trying to think no

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 9: battles left on fought or something I want. Yeah, but

1039
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 9: it's all about but it's all about taking up arms

1040
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 9: against immigration forces, right, And I mean that's fine for

1041
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 9: a movie, but that's the type of thing that the

1042
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 9: media culture is celebrating. Is this insurrection type of you know, the.

1043
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 10: La Revolution type of you know culture. So yes, it's bad.

1044
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 9: I don't know if it's as bad as it was

1045
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 9: in the late sixties and early seventies, but it's bad.

1046
01:08:54,360 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 9: And until people start gaining some perspective on what it

1047
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 9: means to responsibly govern a constitutional republic. It's not going

1048
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 9: to get better. And until people start paying political prices

1049
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 9: for this type of thing, you're going to see it

1050
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 9: continue to escalate. And unfortunately, people like Renee Good are

1051
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 9: going to be the cannon fodder that ends up dying

1052
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 9: so that people can continue to fund.

1053
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 10: Raise and gin up more outrage.

1054
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 9: This is a woman who was manipulated at some level,

1055
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,440
Speaker 9: was manipulated by a bunch of people who are demagoguing

1056
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 9: immigration enforcement. And that's Tim Waltz, That's Jacob Fry, that's

1057
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Speaker 9: Alexandria Cassio Cortes. It's basically most of the Democrat Party leadership,

1058
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 9: and voices like John Fetterman are few and far between

1059
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Speaker 9: on that side of the aisle.

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Speaker 2: Yes, John Fetterman, the voice of reason. I mean that

1061
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: tells you.

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01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 10: Who would have guessed, who would have guessed? Right much?

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Speaker 2: Ed morrisseyha dot Com. Listen, I believe the midterms are

1064
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Speaker 2: winnable for the Republicans, but we'll yet. I do that

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Speaker 2: another time. I'll be doing that having that conversation. January

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Speaker 2: twenty fourth. Tickets to Tonycats dot com. Get your tickets,

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Speaker 2: going to be an incredible event with the bourbon and

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Speaker 2: everything else at Marci Hodair dot com. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: More is coming up. I'm Tony Katz and this is

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today. So just say a follow up to

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Speaker 2: the story I was talking about about the Uranians and

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Speaker 2: the Iranian people there and rising up and engaged in

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Speaker 2: protests and trying to get rid of the Ayahtola, and

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Speaker 2: I'll get into this more. You'll notice that no one

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Speaker 2: is standing up for them. Where are all the protesters

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Speaker 2: who are there for the poor Palestinians stand up for

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Speaker 2: the Iranians. Well, one of the places they are is

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Speaker 2: in front of a synagogue in a Jewish school in

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Speaker 2: New York while they scream, we support Hamas, not the

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Speaker 2: Palestinian people Hamas. I appreciate that we are no longer

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Speaker 2: pretending that this was about supporting terrorists. That you know

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Speaker 2: that all this talk about the Palestinians was always nonsense.

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Speaker 2: It was about how can you destroy Israel? At least

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Speaker 2: how they're honest about it. You have a piece deal,

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Speaker 2: you gave back hostages. Other nations are involved, and they're

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Speaker 2: still going in front of synagogues to protest and try

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Speaker 2: and intimidate. They told you who they are. It's who

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Speaker 2: they always were, only the left tried to copy. Boy.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: Line from the Heartland and the crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Kats today. I have no issue with Maduro

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Speaker 2: being removed from absolutely none. This entire move done by

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Speaker 2: the US military, we can argue was unbelievably successful and

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Speaker 2: well planned, well thought out, well prepared. I think that

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Speaker 2: is a very very defensible thing that oil would now

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Speaker 2: be sold in benefiting the Venezuelan people. I'm also okay

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Speaker 2: with taking a look at the oil that's been sanctioned

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Speaker 2: and how we keep it out of the hands of

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Speaker 2: the Russians and the Chinese. I'm down with that. And

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Speaker 2: of course this very idea of a rethink, if not

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Speaker 2: just a re implementation of the Monroe Doctrine and the

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Speaker 2: protection of the United States and of the Western hemisphere.

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Speaker 2: Is this what our new world requires? These I think

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Speaker 2: are good things, smart things, and worthy things. Tony Kapps,

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Speaker 2: Tony caps today, good to be here, good to be

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Speaker 2: with you. But how does one think that there is

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Speaker 2: success in Venezuela when Delsa Rodriguez is still there, that's

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Speaker 2: Maduro's vice president. Everybody else is still in place, and

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Speaker 2: is the argument being made from the administration that they're

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Speaker 2: going to stay. Noah Rothman joins me right now. You

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Speaker 2: know his work from National Review. Nationreview dot Com is his

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Speaker 2: latest piece at National Review. Trump's approach to Venezuela lives

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Speaker 2: down to the left's caricature of the Iraq War, which

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Speaker 2: is which is a perfectly Noah Rothman thing to write,

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Speaker 2: because it's it's it's not only you saying we're handling

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Speaker 2: something wrong, but we all we in your view, we

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Speaker 2: all misunderstood what happened in the Iraq War, and there

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Speaker 2: was more good there than not. It's the caricature that

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Speaker 2: we're fighting. Now. You're gonna get disagreement, maybe on both parts.

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Speaker 2: But let's start where we start. The taking out of

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Speaker 2: Maduro as it was done by the United States military.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that mission, and it's quote unquote.

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Speaker 14: Success incredibly successful. I mean not just successful, tactically successful,

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Speaker 14: strategically certainly warranted literally by an American court. Madua went

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Speaker 14: through the justice system, was sought by the US justice system.

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Speaker 14: Could not be a more legitimate exercise law enforcement. The

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Speaker 14: legality of the strikes is a little bit of a

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Speaker 14: self looking ice cream cone. In the Trump administration's estimation,

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Speaker 14: they were serving this warrant. Therefore, those who were serving

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Speaker 14: the warrant were under threat. Therefore offensive operations had to

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Speaker 14: be taken. Therefore those offensive operations were defensive in nature.

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Speaker 14: It's a theory, but it's not one that I think

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Speaker 14: would hold up under any scrutiny.

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Speaker 8: But that doesn't mean I don't like the results.

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Speaker 14: I certainly think that the operation itself was justified, even

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Speaker 14: though the regime is in place. It communicated to our

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Speaker 14: adversaries abroad Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, et cetera, the efficacy

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Speaker 14: of US special forces in combination with combined arms and

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Speaker 14: our air assets.

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Speaker 8: It was a spectacularly successful operation.

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Speaker 14: Even China's you know, propaganda's mouthpeat the Global Times, you know,

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Speaker 14: and its piece covering this was said, oh, this is

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Speaker 14: horrible as a violation of international law, but subtextually it

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Speaker 14: read you got to hand it to them.

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Speaker 8: It was a heck of an operation.

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Speaker 14: So it's the sort of thing that conveys to our

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Speaker 14: adversary is that we are a potent force not to

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Speaker 14: be messed with, contrary to a lot of the dour

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Speaker 14: conversations inside the United States.

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Speaker 2: And I think that matters. I think that that is

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Speaker 2: a piece of this that is left out when the

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Speaker 2: Israelis hit has blowed with the pager attack. Certainly for

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Speaker 2: the Israelis one could argue, you never want to let

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Speaker 2: your adversary know what exactly are capable of what it

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Speaker 2: is that you can do. And then the other side

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Speaker 2: of it, oh my gosh, look at what the Israelis

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Speaker 2: just did here. It kind of sets to hey, maybe

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Speaker 2: I don't want to mess with them. Is there in

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Speaker 2: your view? Was there a little bit or a lot

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Speaker 2: of bit of that that this was a we really

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Speaker 2: can get anywhere anytime and you're not even going to

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Speaker 2: see us coming.

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Speaker 14: A lot of it not just our capabilities when it

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Speaker 14: comes to hard power assets, traditional hard power assets things

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Speaker 14: that blow stuff up, but our cyber elements were at

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Speaker 14: play here. We shut off the electricity in Venezuela via

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Speaker 14: cyber operations in ways that we're pretty impressive, and our

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Speaker 14: clandestine assets I think was actually something that also communicated

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Speaker 14: to our adversaries a very important message. There's been a

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Speaker 14: lot of reporting inside the United States that while American

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Speaker 14: signals intelligence intercepts are bar none the world standard, we

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Speaker 14: can intercept communications electronically wherever and anywhere we want. And

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Speaker 14: a lot of our allies depend on our signals intercepts capabilities,

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Speaker 14: but our human intelligence capabilities, our capacity to develop clandestine assets,

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Speaker 14: flit assets on the ground in places where we need

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Speaker 14: human intelligence, that has been in doubt for some time.

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Speaker 14: We have been we are considered an unreliable spread for

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Speaker 14: many reasons that are perfectly valid. But we have information

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Speaker 14: that's publicly reported now that we were developing intelligence sources

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Speaker 14: close to, indeed inside Cuban intelligence, which had surrounded Madurea

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Speaker 14: with his security team and amateur security team and generally

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Speaker 14: penetrated the people very as close as possible to the

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Speaker 14: regime here, which sends a signal to other anti American

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Speaker 14: regimes out there that we can get close to you too,

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Speaker 14: all very very valuable, however good how we get to

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Speaker 14: the however, Yeah, there's this very bizarre conspiracy of shared

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Speaker 14: interests abroad between Trump's critics and the President's allies and

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Speaker 14: the President himself, all of whom are devoted to calling

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Speaker 14: this operation a regime change operation.

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Speaker 2: It was not, and that's what we need to get into.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Noah Roffman of National Review, and this is

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Speaker 2: this is the point of your piece. And I had

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Speaker 2: discussed this on my morning show, and I bring it here.

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Speaker 2: If you still have Delsea Rodriguez, the vice president now

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Speaker 2: running the show, if you still have the rest of

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Speaker 2: the Maduro regime in place, it's just like Nicholas Maduro

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Speaker 2: is on some kind of extended vacation, but he's still

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Speaker 2: the CEO. I mean, that's even we're taking the oil,

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Speaker 2: we're selling the oil. We're going to give the proper

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Speaker 2: If it's part of the prophets of not half the

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Speaker 2: profits of not more than that to the Venezuelans, well

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Speaker 2: it only matters that the Venezuelan people can stop eating

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Speaker 2: pigeons and actually turn on the lights in their house. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a real disconnect between this unbelievable operation

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Speaker 2: and the result that one would think, or at least

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Speaker 2: the Venezuelan people, from their celebration would think, which is

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Speaker 2: the better day? Is ahead? Trump saying it's not. This

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Speaker 2: is just we just got rid of a guy.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, my wife, you know.

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Speaker 14: Just as a personal note, My wife's dear friend is

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Speaker 14: a Venezuelan expat. She grew up with her and her

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Speaker 14: mother was, you know, in the very celebratory mood, was

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Speaker 14: making tentative plans to move back, and I had to say,

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Speaker 14: why the regime is in place, nothing has changed.

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Speaker 8: This was never the Nicholas Maduro regime.

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Speaker 14: It was the Hugo Chavez regime, establishing in nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 14: survived the two thousand and two coup in which it

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Speaker 14: purged all dissenting elements and really established the socialist spatism

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Speaker 14: that it that it became. Nicholas Maduro was like Brezhnev.

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Speaker 14: He was in the right place at the right time

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Speaker 14: when you go. Chavez died in twenty thirteen. He was

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Speaker 14: a bus driver, He was a union thug. He was

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Speaker 14: not never the power behind this regime. He was an

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Speaker 14: avatar of it. And the regime, as you said, is

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Speaker 14: largely in place. Delveza Rodriguez, one of Maduro's deputies, has

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Speaker 14: blood on her hands, is implicated in the regime's worst crimes.

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Speaker 14: More than that, the Ostado called Cabello, who is in

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Speaker 14: charge of the military and in political apparatus, the intelligence

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Speaker 14: apparatus is still in place. The regime is still as

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Speaker 14: dependent as ever on the militias, the collectivos as well

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Speaker 14: as the drug cartels for domestic legitimacy. It is as

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Speaker 14: dependent as ever on anti American powers abroad for support overseas, Iran, Cuba, Russia, China.

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Speaker 14: It hasn't changed his character in any appreciable way, save

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Speaker 14: for the fact that it's surrendered to the United States

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Speaker 14: one tanker which has thirty to fifty I think, uh

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Speaker 14: yeahon million ares of crude sour crude, which is by

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Speaker 14: no means the highest quiet quality, and that's approximately what

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Speaker 14: the United States produces domestically in about three days of production.

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Speaker 14: And they've released a couple of political prisoners five last

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Speaker 14: I checked, which is great, which is good, and the

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Speaker 14: Trump administration deserves credit for leaning on Karakas to do that.

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Speaker 8: But that's just a drop in a.

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Speaker 14: Barrel, and it's not a chape and a change in

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Speaker 14: the character of the regime. It's a sap with a

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Speaker 14: gun pointed to their head. Again, which is great. And

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Speaker 14: the administration's work is not over. It has been ongoing

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Speaker 14: and attempts to seize these, for example, the ghost fleet

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Speaker 14: ships that are transporting illicit weapons and oil to and

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Speaker 14: from Russia and Iran. That's all valuable, but it does

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Speaker 14: demonstrate why the Venezuelans are correct in public reports to

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Speaker 14: temper their enthusiasm, their initial enthusiasm for what they believed

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Speaker 14: because everybody was telling them that it was regime change

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Speaker 14: when it turns out that it's not that we could

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Speaker 14: just be in the Trump administrations. Who knows where the

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Speaker 14: Trump administration is going with this. Their statements are so conflicting.

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Speaker 14: I don't think they have a strategy.

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Speaker 2: So let's just.

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Speaker 14: Could end up with something akin to a Turkey or

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Speaker 14: a Saudi Arabia in the Western hemisphere and authoritarian regime

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Speaker 14: that we can nevertheless work with.

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Speaker 2: So first, there's a piece in the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 2: about the ghost ships and how this oil is maneuvered.

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Speaker 2: It's a very interesting piece as a kind of a

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Speaker 2: primer for exactly what's going on and how many of

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Speaker 2: these ships that are out there, and you can find

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Speaker 2: that at Tony Kats dot com. But it isn't regime change.

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Speaker 2: And so now you have these two very unique conversations,

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Speaker 2: which is the no More Forever Wars, Donald Trump and

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Speaker 2: the Donroe Doctrine. Trump and the Monroe doctrine. The Western

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Speaker 2: hemisphere belongs to us, and we're going to protect it.

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Speaker 2: Right now, as you have now laid this out, these

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Speaker 2: two things cannot exist. A George divided against itself cannot stand,

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Speaker 2: said Seinfeldt. That's but I'm not I don't think I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm staring at this properly. These two things

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Speaker 2: are in conflict. What wins out, what should win out?

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Speaker 14: Well, it's just not the nineteenth century anymore. There's no

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Speaker 14: way for you to execute the kind of hemispheric operation

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Speaker 14: in which you're attempting to area deny our adversaries abroad

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Speaker 14: without conflicting with our adversaries abroad in their hemisphere, in

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Speaker 14: part because the United States is positioned all over the

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Speaker 14: planet Earth and has been since World War Two, and

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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 14: rolling that back is not something that you can simply decree.

1283
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 14: And if you were to try to actually actively withdraw

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Speaker 14: retrench from our interests abroad, you would create a lot

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01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 14: more chaos than we've seen so far, because they're not

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01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 14: actually doing that.

1287
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Speaker 8: They talk a big game, but they're not actually doing that.

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Speaker 14: And to get to the piece about Iraq, the extent

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Speaker 14: to which the President seems inclined, in my view, to

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Speaker 14: live down to the left.

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Speaker 8: Smiths about the Iraq War.

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Speaker 14: It's because he talks about this again sort of in

1293
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 14: a delusional way, as though we've executed regime change. He says,

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01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 14: we're there, We're going to run the country. We are

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Speaker 14: in charge now. These are quotes that he has said.

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Speaker 14: And in New York Times he was asked how long

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Speaker 14: we are going to be the political overlords of Venezuela,

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01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 14: and he says pretty much indefinitely for a very long time,

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Speaker 14: which is just an outlook divorced from reality, but it

1300
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:28,839
Speaker 14: does convey an element of imperialism, a semi colonialist enterprise

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01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 14: that he's trying to incept here, and it is entirely

1302
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 14: for in his estimation, commercial benefits that we are going

1303
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 14: to take the oil, he says this very plainly, will

1304
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 14: take the commodities that Venezuela very has mismanaged. It used

1305
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 14: to produce more than two thirds the amount of oil

1306
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 14: that it produces today. Its oil industry essentially exists to

1307
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 14: keep the regime in a stasis level state of comfort,

1308
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 14: not for the Venezuelan people, and it would take a

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01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 14: lot to redevelop that that industry. But it's sort of like,

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01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 14: it kind of sounds exactly like how the left characterized

1311
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 14: the Iraq War, which was always wrong. The left characterization

1312
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 14: of the Iraq War was that it was a war

1313
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Speaker 14: for oil, blood for oil, it was an imperialist, colonialist enterprise,

1314
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 14: and it was never those things.

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01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 8: It was just the opposite of those things.

1316
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 14: In fact, the Bush administration was so self conscious over

1317
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 14: the administrator or his left wing critics attacks on that

1318
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 14: enterprise that it actually kind of hindered the operation because

1319
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 14: he would play into that. We didn't follow the Powell

1320
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 14: doctrine deploying overwhelming force because the Bush administration was afraid

1321
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 14: that the footprint would look so large that it would

1322
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 14: look like an imperialist enterprise. He got a lot of

1323
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 14: criticism for pushing to have national elections in Iraq in

1324
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 14: January of two thousand and five.

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Speaker 8: It was not ready.

1326
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 14: The insurgency was already blooming, Fallujah had just fallen. So

1327
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 14: he was getting a ton of criticism for that, But

1328
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 14: the Bush administration forged ahead. Why because he wanted to

1329
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 14: assuage those who were concerned that the United States was

1330
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 14: running Iraq like it was a satrap And Paul Bremmers.

1331
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 14: In two September two thousand and three, Paul Bremmer's Occupational

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01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 14: Authority privatized the Soviet style oil industry in Iraq, not

1333
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 14: so that we could pilfer it and take the proceeds,

1334
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,440
Speaker 14: so that Iraq could stand up its own oil industry

1335
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 14: and fund of government, which by two thousand and five

1336
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 14: funded the government to the tune of ninety four percent.

1337
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 14: It was basically the sole revenue source on which the

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 14: Iraq regime managed to survive. The Iraqi government survived so

1339
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 14: and by the way, I linked to this piece, which

1340
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 14: is very funny, and Jacob in this was as far

1341
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 14: left magazine, so by the time it was clear that

1342
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 14: the United States was not actually pilfering Iraqi oil. This piece,

1343
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,520
Speaker 14: rather than confront its own misleading priors said, well, it's clear.

1344
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 8: That this was a war for oil, but Bush just

1345
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 8: messed it up.

1346
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 14: Not that I was wrong all along, but that Bush

1347
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 14: probably just screwed it up, like he screws up everything.

1348
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 2: By the way, great word satrap, which is about having

1349
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 2: like a subordinate ruler. I mean, yeah, the sometimes I

1350
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 2: just enjoy your vocabulary. Talking to Noah Rothman from National

1351
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: Review before I let you go. So what we're looking

1352
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 2: at from Trump's as a guy who sees things as

1353
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 2: transactional in almost all regards. As long as we can

1354
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 2: get the oil, whatever happens there happens there. As long

1355
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 2: as we can keep Shina in Russia out, that's enough

1356
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 2: of Monroe doctrine for us. We don't need to do

1357
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 2: anything else. The problem there is that it doesn't satisfy

1358
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 2: I think in American populace that would say out loud, wait,

1359
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: we're going to leave that regime in control.

1360
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 14: Yeah, it also sacrifices our interests. I mean, if you can't.

1361
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 14: There's sort of a Turing test thing here. The international

1362
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 14: environment is a narcic hard power. Military power is what

1363
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 14: moves the wheels of history. Granted, I've been saying that

1364
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 14: since I've been talking to about international affairs, since I

1365
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,719
Speaker 14: was a graduate student. Arguing with people about the nature

1366
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,480
Speaker 14: of soft power. Soft power, diplomatic power, or international institutions

1367
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 14: are really fictions that are buttressed by hard power. This

1368
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 14: has been my position forever. But I also understand that

1369
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 14: soft power exists. And if you can't tell me what

1370
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 14: soft power is and what it does or what it's

1371
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,839
Speaker 14: supposed to do. I don't trust you to actually navigate

1372
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 14: the environment. And soft power does matter insofar as it

1373
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 14: contributes to the desire of people who are living in

1374
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 14: captive nations to yearn for freedom, to celebrate liberty an

1375
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 14: individual and individual agency.

1376
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 2: And that's a story.

1377
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 14: And the United States is predicated on the notion that

1378
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 14: power is justly derived from the consent of the governed,

1379
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 14: and that does provide us with some benefits. And the

1380
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 14: President himself acknowledges that from time to time, as we

1381
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 14: have seen in Iran, the President has adopted something like

1382
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 14: a neo con position on steroids. When it comes to

1383
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 14: the Iranian protests. He is now saying, and has and

1384
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 14: seems really inclined to follow through with it, that if

1385
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 14: the Iranian regime were to violently suppress the demonstrations that

1386
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 14: are represent at this point in existential threat to the

1387
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 14: stability of that regime, that you would intervene in a

1388
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 14: humanitarian way on their behalf. I don't think there's a

1389
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 14: lot of neocons back even in two thousand and five

1390
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 14: who would have agreed with that position. It's essentially it's

1391
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 14: a kin to a Samantha power right to protect doctrine

1392
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 14: which would get the UNITEDS to which I oppose because

1393
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 14: it would get the United States involved in conflicts where

1394
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 14: it didn't have any material or strategic interests. But we

1395
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 14: certainly do have material and strategic interests in Iran, in

1396
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 14: the Middle East in particular. This is the most evil

1397
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 14: regime on the planet Earth in my view. It has

1398
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 14: fueled conflicts for the better part of a half century.

1399
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 14: It has killed and targeted Americans on American soil. It's

1400
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 14: an enemy of the United States, and the day that

1401
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 14: it has gone will be a better day for the

1402
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 14: United States and the world great. I like that, but

1403
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 14: the administration and the President doesn't really want to make

1404
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 14: the case for it.

1405
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 8: They're sort of back to Iraq.

1406
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 14: They're sort of predicated on this origin myth that the

1407
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 14: Maga movement exists in opposition to the Bush administration's foreign policy,

1408
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 14: and yet it is executing a venezuela again, a cartoonish,

1409
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 14: caricatured left wing vision of what George W.

1410
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 8: Bush's foreign policy.

1411
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 14: Was, while at the same time rehabilitating the instincts, at

1412
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 14: least in Iran and perhaps nowhere else, but at least

1413
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 14: in Iran, that the world will be a better place

1414
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 14: when Iranians managed to achieve the full flourishing of their

1415
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 14: human desire for liberty and freedom. That could not be

1416
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 14: a more Bushian. It belongs in the two thousand and

1417
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 14: five inaugural address. It is as a bushy and a

1418
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 14: foreign policy of approach as you can get.

1419
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: His name is Noah Rothman. Find his work at National

1420
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: Review dot com. Noah, I appreciate you taking the time

1421
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 2: to be with us. More is coming up on Tony Katz.

1422
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: This is Tony Katz today. So Miami is able to

1423
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: get best Old miss in a really incredible game the

1424
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: Fiesta Bowl, and now it's just a question of whether

1425
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 2: or not the Indiana Hoosiers are going to join them.

1426
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today. You guys know I broadcast

1427
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: that of an the end, and I did not go

1428
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 2: to IU or anything like that, but I live here

1429
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: and IU basketball was always the thing. And the fact

1430
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: that football is this good under coach Signetty has this

1431
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 2: place out of control nuts, It has it nuts. I

1432
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 2: don't think Oregon is easy to get past. I know

1433
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: they did it before. I'm just I just don't think

1434
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 2: it's written on the win. But of course it's what

1435
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 2: you want because for for the Hoosiers and understanding this

1436
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 2: team to go and have to play in Miami, because

1437
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 2: that's what the National Championship is against Miami. You mean,

1438
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 2: it's like a home game. And now the IU Hoosiers

1439
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 2: will think of themselves as the underdogs. The Hoosiers love

1440
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 2: thinking of themselves as underdogs like that's that's the kind

1441
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 2: of thing that moves and motivates them. So I I

1442
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 2: I look at that Miami game. Not Miami has been

1443
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 2: unbelievably surprising, as that's the game where I think IU

1444
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 2: has its best shot. Man, I do think they can

1445
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 2: beat Oregon. It's just not easy. None, that is just

1446
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 2: not an easy team. That said, this place is going nuts,

1447
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 2: and if they go to a championship, the state of

1448
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 2: Indiana is going to go crazy crazy. Hope it happens.

1449
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. So the jobs report comes out and

1450
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 2: it's less than the expectation, but then again, it's Midston.

1451
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 2: It has been so long since we've seen a job's

1452
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 2: report that comes out on time, and this one is

1453
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: I guess out on time. We're like, my gosh, what

1454
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 2: do we do with this information? Well, the market seems

1455
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: to not know what to do with this information. Maybe

1456
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 2: less jobs means we need to cut more rates so

1457
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 2: we can spur this economy. Maybe less jobs means we're

1458
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 2: not manufacturing any and that in and of itself is

1459
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: a problem. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be

1460
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 2: with you. Doctor Mattwell joins the economist at the University

1461
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 2: of Indianapolis. Fifty thousand instead of seventy six thousand. The

1462
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 2: November Jobs report got revised downward to fifty six thousand,

1463
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: and the unemployment rate falls to four point four percent.

1464
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 2: What do I care about? What do I not care about?

1465
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 6: Oh gosh, this is the most fascinating report I know.

1466
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 6: On the headline looks like it's blah, but it's not. Okay, Yeah,

1467
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 6: we only added fifty thousand jobs, but if you dig

1468
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 6: into the details, there's some very interesting parts here. We

1469
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 6: lost eight thousand jobs in manufacturing. We lost twenty one

1470
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,799
Speaker 6: thousand jobs in goods production. We lost twenty five thousand

1471
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 6: jobs in retail. That's the bad side. On the good side,

1472
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 6: we added fifty eight thousand private jobs in healthcare government

1473
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 6: that's not good. And leisure and hospitality forty seven thousand.

1474
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 6: But the most important part of this is why why

1475
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 6: was this such a low number. Why was fifty thousand,

1476
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 6: Why was fifty six thousand revised down? It's actually for

1477
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 6: two good reasons. I know this sounds weird. Productivity and

1478
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 6: at broad based recovery. These two things are happening Tony.

1479
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 6: We saw yesterday the productivity report came out. Productivity increased

1480
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 6: four point nine percent. That is the amount that you

1481
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 6: and I produced per hour of labor, how much we

1482
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 6: can produce as workers. That is three hundred percent higher

1483
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 6: than last year. We are blowing it out of the

1484
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 6: water in this economy as far as productivity driven by

1485
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 6: you know the answer to this AI, And that's why

1486
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 6: the employment rate is not that good. That's why we

1487
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 6: aren't adding the number of jobs, because AI is making

1488
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 6: us a much more productive economy. And let me finish

1489
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 6: my whole thing here, the broad based economy recovery is here.

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Speaker 6: He saw that, and I've talked about this on the

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Speaker 6: show before. The S and P went up eighteen percent

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Speaker 6: last year. It wasn't driven by the MAC seven for

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Speaker 6: the first time. Yes, they were hired, they were twenty

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Speaker 6: eight percent, But the S and P four ninety three

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01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 6: was still up eleven percent last year. We have a

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Speaker 6: broad based recovery. That is a good thing. AI is

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Speaker 6: making us more productive. So there's a lot of good things.

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Speaker 6: There is some bad parts, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: good in this report.

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Speaker 2: Talking to doctor Matt Will, economists at the University of Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: recovery is everything because not only is recovery good for

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01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 2: the economy written large, but that's a conversation about the midterms.

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Speaker 2: That's a conversation about how this information is utilized by

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01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 2: parties when they're trying to sell America on whether or

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01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 2: not they should get votes. A recovery is a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Explain it to me.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let me explain the recovery is not a good thing.

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Speaker 2: I know that's using confusing. Man. You just said this

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01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 2: is the good part of the report.

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Speaker 6: The report's good because of the productivity because they broad

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01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 6: based recovery. But you said the midterms, And let me

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Speaker 6: tell you why it's a bad report for the midterms

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01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 6: because the one area that's super weak in this is

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Speaker 6: manufacturing goods production. These are the two areas that are

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01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 6: massively down in the report, and they're down. Why. Okay,

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01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:29,759
Speaker 6: I'm a professor, I have to give a test Tony.

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01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 6: They're down because of one word, and what's the reason.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought that was AI. That's the answer to everything.

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Speaker 6: Manufacturing is down because of tariffs. Manufacturing and goods production

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01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 6: are down because of tariffs. The terriffs are shrinking the

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01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:53,120
Speaker 6: economy relative to manufacturing. Broad based recovery fantastic Trump. I've

1522
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 6: talked about this many times. Trump's his own worst enemy.

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01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 6: He's doing everything right when it comes to the economy

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01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 6: except for tariffs. Tarrists are dragging this economy downs. GDP

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01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 6: is up, the employment report looks good. Productivity is doing great,

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01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 6: the broad based recovery is here. But the tariffs are

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01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 6: hurting manufacturing, and that's going to hurt it because those

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01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,759
Speaker 6: are jobs. There's are people in factories that are losing

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01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 6: their jobs. They're not working, and they vote and that's

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01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 6: what's going to hurt him. So as all the good

1531
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 6: things in this report are going to be counteracted by

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01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 6: the fact that the bad part of it is the

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01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,440
Speaker 6: tariffs are hurting manufacturing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that isn't necessarily how it's going to play

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Speaker 2: in a midterm. You could argue that the tariffs overall

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01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 2: are a giant pain in the butt, which I agree

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01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 2: with that it makes Americans pay more for things, and

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Speaker 2: I agree with that too. But if there is a

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01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 2: conversation that the White House can have about broad based recovery,

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Speaker 2: that's a win. That's a plus. When you say recovery,

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01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 2: give me the places that I should be looking, others

1542
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 2: should be looking that we actually see the tangible results,

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01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 2: we see the recovery in action.

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, when I say the recovery profits, So profits

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01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 6: are up across the board for companies. That's why the

1546
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 6: market is up and the profits are up because costs

1547
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 6: are down. Why are costs down because AI companies are

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01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 6: more efficient. We're able to do more with fewer people.

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Speaker 6: That's why I go back to the harming it politically.

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01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 6: Now I am not the political guide. I will defer

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01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 6: to you on that. But from my standpoint, all this

1552
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 6: good news, which is more productivity, more profits, expanding private economy,

1553
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 6: it's coming at a cost. And what's the cost people?

1554
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 6: The AI and the increase in productivity is reducing the

1555
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 6: amount of labor that we need. The tariffs are reducing

1556
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 6: the amount of labor that we need. So this report,

1557
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 6: the headline is not a good headline, but underneath it,

1558
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 6: I see good things for the economy. It's kind of

1559
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 6: like when the Internet came out, and when computers came out,

1560
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 6: we were oh, no, no more typewriters, Oh no, less

1561
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,839
Speaker 6: manual labor. Well, that was good in the long term.

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Speaker 6: AI is going to be in the long term, but

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Speaker 6: it's going to cause a short term pain to people

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Speaker 6: and people vote.

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Speaker 2: Talking to doctor Matt Will economists at the University of Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: I've argued that as long as that gets explained, you

1567
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 2: can get people on your side. People want to be

1568
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 2: in the fight. They don't want to have just things

1569
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 2: happen to them. They want to be part of something

1570
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 2: that's going to create the better opportunity for them, for

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01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 2: their kids, etc. The other part of this was how

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01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 2: the market responded and reacted and whether or not the

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01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 2: markets would go up or down in this field that

1574
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, if you've got less jobs than you thought,

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01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 2: this could be a way to pressure Jerome Powell into

1576
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 2: more rate cuts. Now the pressure has been on Jerome

1577
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 2: Powell for a year and a half to get more

1578
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 2: rate cuts, they haven't necessarily come. Does this signal to

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01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve this is a good time to cut

1580
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Speaker 2: a quarter point or more.

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Speaker 6: No, absolutely not, because we have a very robust GDP

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Speaker 6: at the moment. You've talked about it on the show,

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01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 6: I've mentioned it. This GDP is good, so we don't

1584
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 6: have a problem there, and we're technically still at full employment.

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Speaker 6: Even though the jobs number is getting worse, it's not

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Speaker 6: as good as it should be. It's still technically within

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Speaker 6: a range of what we call full employment. So the

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Speaker 6: two mandates, which is price stability and employment. Again i'm

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01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 6: not a fan of The employment part is not a problem,

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01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 6: so there's no reason to cut rates for employment purposes.

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Speaker 6: But there is a reason to keep rates higher because

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01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 6: of inflation. And we've seen inflation. It's still there. It's

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Speaker 6: in the PMI report and the CPI report and the

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01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 6: PPI report. We still have inflation. It's not at two

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01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,439
Speaker 6: percent yet we should be.

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Speaker 2: Never mind never mind the reports for a second, gold

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Speaker 2: at forty four and eighty four dollars an ounce, silver

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Speaker 2: at seventy nine dollars and twenty two cents an ounce.

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Speaker 2: Of course that can change is when people hear this weather,

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Speaker 2: it's podcast or anything else. The point is we've got

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01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 2: silver that has crossed eighty dollars an ounce that isn't

1602
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 2: happening because people think, oh, silver is the future. It's

1603
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 2: the hedge conversation. So this tells me that the market

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01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: still does believe that inflation is there.

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Speaker 6: You're correct. You added data to exactly my point, which

1606
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 6: is inflation isn't dead. Silver and gold are perfect indicators

1607
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 6: of that. In addition to the data, the nerdy data

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01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,679
Speaker 6: points I just gave to you, you gave a real

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01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 6: hands on example of what people see every day that

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01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 6: inflation is here and the said needs to fight inflation.

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01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 6: Now will they fight it? We'll see what the next

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Speaker 6: SED chairman does. But if it's Kevin Walsh, I'm optimistic

1613
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 6: he's going to do the right job really quick.

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go talking to doctor Matt Well,

1615
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 2: economist at the University of Indianapolis. And maybe you're not

1616
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 2: totally up on this. The President has said he wants

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01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 2: to help people with housing, and the idea is to

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01:40:56,240 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 2: buy mortgage loans, like two hundred billion dollars in the

1619
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 2: purchasing of mortgage loans, and that's going to now create

1620
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 2: a great opportunity to home buying. I have not been

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01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 2: able to make any sense of this whatsoever. This just

1622
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 2: took place yesterday. I don't think everybody has has seen

1623
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 2: it yet. The question is, is there something the government

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01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 2: can be doing about buying mortgages that is going to

1625
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 2: bring down the cost of buying a home?

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01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 6: No, no, no, oh, tony. This is where I said,

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01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 6: Trump is in the in the boxing ring with himself.

1628
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 6: He's winning, he's losing. He's winning, he's losing. And this

1629
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 6: is the losing part of it. He announced, for people

1630
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 6: that aren't aware of it, two hundred billion dollars that

1631
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 6: the government is going to purchase of mortgages. That's what

1632
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 6: they did during the quantitative easing. That's what they did

1633
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 6: in the too Big to Fail crisis. The government stepped

1634
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 6: in and bought mortgages to produce the economy. That's the

1635
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 6: opposite that will cause inflation. We need the government to

1636
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 6: be selling all the mortgages that they own. The government

1637
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 6: is the largest owner of mortgages at the moment it

1638
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 6: started in two thousand and nine. That's wrong. He's got

1639
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 6: the wrong attitude on this. He's got to not get

1640
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 6: in the home buying business. He can't get into the

1641
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 6: denying companies to invest in homes business, which he mentioned

1642
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 6: for us to regulate the salary of executives, the payments

1643
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 6: that they make to their employees and to their shareholders. This,

1644
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 6: I don't know what happens. Trump wakes up on one

1645
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 6: side of the bed and he's awesome, he wakes up

1646
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 6: on the other side of the bed and he's a disaster.

1647
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 6: I can't figure it out.

1648
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:48,600
Speaker 2: That is doctor Mattwell, economists at the University of Indianapolis.

1649
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 2: Dr Matt will on the Twitter X if you want

1650
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 2: to follow him there, I appreciate you, sir As always

1651
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Speaker 2: more coming up. I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony

1652
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 2: Katz Today. Find everything at Tony kats dot com. Something

1653
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 2: to note as we watch all of these people engaged

1654
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:07,559
Speaker 2: in their protests, and I'm not just talking about the

1655
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 2: protests about ICE, which are not protests. The left is

1656
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 2: trying to kill members of ICE. The left is only

1657
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,799
Speaker 2: interested in destruction. They want to set things on fire.

1658
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 2: They want George Floyd two point zero. Then they want

1659
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 2: George Floyd three point zero. This is who they are,

1660
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 2: this is what they want. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today,

1661
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 2: good to be with you. I'm not going to listen

1662
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 2: to them, and I don't think you should either. I mean,

1663
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 2: they're gonna say things. We know, what's what they want

1664
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 2: to call people fascists, they want to call people authoritarians.

1665
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 2: You get people like Rachel Maddow going on to Jimmy

1666
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:48,759
Speaker 2: Kimmel's show, Dear Lord, Jimmy Kimmel still has a show,

1667
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 2: and you get conversations out there that go on like this.

1668
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 2: I know you highlight these peaceful protests on your show regularly.

1669
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,639
Speaker 2: Peace do any good? Do you think that anything comes

1670
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 2: from them?

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01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:02,759
Speaker 6: Yes?

1672
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 2: You do, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 15: I mean, in political science terms, there's what's called the

1674
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 15: three point five percent role, which is that if you

1675
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 15: look at authoritarian regimes of various kinds all over the

1676
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 15: world over the last century, once you have three and

1677
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:25,839
Speaker 15: a half percent of a population protesting non violently against

1678
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 15: a dictator or an authoritarian, that is essentially an unstoppable force.

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01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 2: That is the news media and the culture media telling

1680
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 2: you that the person you may have elected, Donald Trump

1681
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 2: and you are authoritarians and dictators and you have to

1682
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 2: be stopped. That only gets stopped with violence. And these

1683
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: people feel good about it when they ram ice agents.

1684
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 2: They feel good about it when they shoot at ice agents.

1685
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 2: They feel good about it when they assassinate Charlie Kirk.

1686
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 2: They feel good about it when they almost assassinate Donald Trump. Oh,

1687
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 2: if he had only turned his head a little bit

1688
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,559
Speaker 2: faster or a little bit slower, whatever it is they say.

1689
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what violent people say, but it's something

1690
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 2: like that. Always remember that the thing that they say

1691
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 2: that they're doing isn't the thing that they're doing. And

1692
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: allow me to give you an example. And I'm not

1693
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 2: the first person to come up with this example, but

1694
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 2: I think it's good that others have done it first.

1695
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 2: All those people who are on the streets saying that

1696
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:26,440
Speaker 2: Israel is involved in a genocide and Israel is oppressing

1697
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 2: the people in Gaza and free Palestine, where are they

1698
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:37,120
Speaker 2: for the Iranian people? Where are the protests in favor

1699
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 2: of the Iranian people throwing off the shackles of a

1700
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 2: true authoritarian regime, a hellscape wherever nineteen hundred people were

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01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 2: executed by the mothers, the hardliners and the clerics. Where

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01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 2: are they? Where are those people marching to the streets

1703
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 2: of New York, NLA at Chicago and name your city,

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01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:02,839
Speaker 2: saying free the people of Iran, my brothers and sisters

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01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 2: in Iran. Free them little. The answer is they're nowhere,

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01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:11,719
Speaker 2: and why are they nowhere Because they never cared about

1707
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 2: the quote unquote Palestinian people. They only wanted Jews dead.

1708
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 2: They wanted to destroy Israel, which will then make it

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01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 2: easier and allows them to move on to destroy America.

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Speaker 2: It's always been the one to punch. We have discussed

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01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 2: this numerous times. How many more ways do you need

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01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 2: to see it? This is who they are and I

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01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 2: get it. It sucks and it's dangerous, and you've heard

1714
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,840
Speaker 2: me say this a million times. I don't lie. I

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01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 2: don't lie for anything. The only way out is through.

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01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 2: That's it. The only way out is through. Because this

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01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 2: is not stopping anytime soon. Now. There are things we

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01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,639
Speaker 2: can do to help curtail it. You got to stop

1719
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:57,520
Speaker 2: sending your kids to schools that engage and promote this nonsense.

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01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 2: I don't think that means every person has to stop

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01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 2: sending their king to a public school, although I oppose

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Speaker 2: public schools and I send my kids to public schools.

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01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,719
Speaker 2: In the end, if the teachers' union is in charge

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01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 2: and not the actual student and the parents, it's an

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01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 2: untenable situation and anything involving the NEA or the American

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01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 2: Federation and teachers. Nope, you can't have it. And you

1727
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,879
Speaker 2: can't send your kids to colleges that teach this nonsense

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01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 2: and promote this nonsense, and that you decide where your

1729
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:26,599
Speaker 2: money goes. If a kid doesn't like and tell them

1730
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 2: too bad, you're saving their life. Then we have to

1731
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 2: stay away from the cultural things like Kimmel and his

1732
01:47:35,160 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 2: sponsors that promote this violence. And you got to starve

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01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 2: them economically. And you say to me, Tony, those are

1734
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Speaker 2: small things, yes, but they're the start sup thinkings are.

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Speaker 2: I'll have more on this find everything at tonycotts dot

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Speaker 2: com Monday. Everyone to take care