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Speaker 1: Well, very fitting weather on this Tuesday morning to what

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Speaker 1: in town here as the Pacers lose their eighth straight

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Speaker 1: last night. Nine o'clock today for Rick Carlisle late night

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Speaker 1: traveling back from Detroit to the Pacers head coach will

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Speaker 1: join us at nine. NFL Draft analysts that would be

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler. Always enjoy his insights, and honestly, we might

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Speaker 1: have an Indiana and potentially Anotherre Dame player go quite

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Speaker 1: early coming up in April, so a typical bye week

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Speaker 1: for us. We tend to talk a little NFL draft,

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Speaker 1: even with the Colts not having a first round pick

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Speaker 1: up at eight thirty. Gentlemen, good morning to you. It's

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Speaker 1: the same trio as yesterday. Hopefully, Jeffrick, it'll be back Manyana,

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Speaker 1: James Boyd, Mark Dyton, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I watched that Pacers game last night, Kevin, and

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Speaker 2: it was painful to watch throughout another fifteen point loss.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's their sixth straight fifteen point loss for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get into that. I know I had a

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Speaker 1: know the old halftime interviews. Yeah, in the interviews JJ,

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Speaker 1: on the morning commute and Mark, you can certainly relate, James,

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Speaker 1: Last night was one of those nights where Nellie Bowen

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Speaker 3: Boy, I don't remember off the top of my head.

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Speaker 4: Does it feel longer? If it like? Does six hours

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Speaker 1: Well? I thought the power went out of the house

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Speaker 1: But I'm thinking myself, Okay, when was that? The night

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Speaker 1: that she did was when TJ. Warren went off in

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well that did that was probably at home

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Speaker 3: See, I didn't have any sports like memories that happened

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Speaker 1: I also had to remind myself, boy, those memories in

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Speaker 1: And I have to be in the bubble. We have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these are tough times for this team.

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Speaker 1: Eight in a row. I believe that's now six by

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Speaker 1: Like that is crazy to me. James Boy, you've covered

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Speaker 1: And the Pacers have been outscored in twenty one consecutive

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I feel like to pivot a little bit.

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Speaker 2: We did get to talk to Shane Styching yesterday kind

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Speaker 4: What'd you think of how?

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Speaker 2: I don't know cautious he was about Javerius Ward Kevin

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Speaker 2: Javeria's Ward can Anthony Richardson technically can if he comes

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Speaker 2: off ir But when Shane said, ah, I should have

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Speaker 1: I've said this for about Shane Stik and he answers questions,

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Speaker 1: Louanna Remo's success against Patrick Mahomes will definitely be a

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Speaker 1: more into that, So again we'll talk Dane Brugler, not

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Speaker 1: necessarily Colt's draft, but more is Fernando Mindoza truly the

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Speaker 1: top quarterback in this draft class. Where could Jeremiah Love go?

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Speaker 1: We did another guy up picking up Elijah Sarrott. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think he's made himself some money year. The other

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Speaker 1: Indiana guys yees for Is there anybody else you know? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think Omar Cooper juniors, some like Baby Deebo, Samuel Trade.

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Speaker 4: I think he's boosted his stock for sure this year.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just a catch like if you watch him,

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Speaker 1: At eight thirty last night Monday Night Football, Dak Press

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Speaker 2: God bless you because I I mean I turned it

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Speaker 2: I can't stick through this. Did you go more Pacers

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Speaker 2: I've seen this move with the Raiders before. My dad's

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Speaker 2: there's a reason why I only name a few players

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Speaker 1: Crosby tried to do his part early in that game.

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Speaker 2: He did, but as we've seen, I mean, Miles Garrett

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Speaker 1: Indian officially announces if you will, I should say officially

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Speaker 1: as it sounds, conference championship games have lost its luster.

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Speaker 6: You know, we got to be better and really, Paul Areas.

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Speaker 7: Twenty one turnovers? Is there anything thematic you saw with those?

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Speaker 2: We'll be going through the fire here and an hour

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Speaker 1: He's done the thing where they've taken so many timeouts

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Speaker 1: Here lately he just doesn't care, doesn't care. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: It is odd. I sometimes walk like past the Colts

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Speaker 2: This is the point where you wonder if his body

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Speaker 4: I think he has to leave though, right?

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Speaker 1: What was the Internet room or yesterday? The FAMI only

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Speaker 1: went to Baton Rouge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like on a tour basically of I don't know,

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Speaker 2: the university and the city or something like that.

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Speaker 1: They're just visiting campus, can they not just you know,

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Speaker 1: have the nice.

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Speaker 4: Tour now when your daddy is laying Kiffin.

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Speaker 2: I will say this though, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 2: how deep ole missus pockets are to keep him around,

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Speaker 2: but we all know it's all about money and it's

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Speaker 2: not like he would be going to a know nothing

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Speaker 2: institution here.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of campus tours, Fernando Mendoza strikes me as the

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Speaker 1: kid on the campus tour who won't stop asking questions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was going to go the other way and

448
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Speaker 2: say he strikes me as the guy who would be

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Speaker 2: the campus tour guide. Oh, yes, yes, like he he

450
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Speaker 2: he strikes me as the guy who would have the

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Speaker 2: great he's either walk to the tour guide or yes

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Speaker 2: he has the excellent.

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Speaker 4: Would walk and he's pointing and tea.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 1: I needed him when I was overseas in Berlin to

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Speaker 1: give me a tour of everything I need to learn.

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Speaker 1: He had that.

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Speaker 4: Choice to command of a kind. He's a very likable dude.

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Speaker 1: He went mister McAfee yesterday. Yeah with path there so uh,

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza, heutsman campaign officially, mister McAfee under all right.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on the other side, sold, the Colts make

462
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Speaker 1: a roster move that maybe not everyone's thinking about. I'll

463
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Speaker 1: toss that James Boyd's way and a little injury update

464
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Speaker 1: from Shane Stiken yesterday. Much more on the Pacers and

465
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Speaker 1: what has been a historically bad start to this season.

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle will join us coming up at nine. Dane Brugler,

467
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Speaker 1: NFL Draft analyst at eight thirty. This is a fan

468
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Speaker 1: Morton Show. On a Tuesday Minor Rick Carlisle and nine

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Speaker 1: o'clock today as they got back late last night from

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Speaker 1: the Motor City. Eight thirty NFL draft analysts Dane Brugler.

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Speaker 1: We tend to have a draft centric conversation sometime during

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Speaker 1: the bye week, and this time it's not about the Colts.

473
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Speaker 1: It will be about more of the draft prospects in

474
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Speaker 1: the state of Indiana, particularly the quarterback in Bloomington, the

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Speaker 1: running back in South Bend, among others. We'll chat with

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Speaker 1: Dane coming up at eight thirty. For those that have

477
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Speaker 1: not been outside yet, it is ugly. Good luck on

478
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Speaker 1: the morning commute. It is rainy, and it is a

479
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Speaker 1: bit dicey, and I have a feeling. Matt Bear is

480
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Speaker 1: a busy man over on WBC with some accidents.

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Speaker 2: So you know, my grandma used to always say, and

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Speaker 2: I could tell like you are a non driver. I

483
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Speaker 2: leve you, Grandma, but you don't drive, she used.

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Speaker 4: To always say.

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Speaker 1: She still says, it's not ugly weather because God made it.

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Speaker 4: It's all good weather. And that's a great perspective until

487
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Speaker 4: you have to drive in it. Grandma.

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Speaker 1: That is the most Grandma comment I've ever heard. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you lucky to even see in some weather you above ground.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I don't want to get into the hall.

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Speaker 1: I should be grateful for everything at all times. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for rain, but right now I am not.

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely dropping a few God references while I'm driving

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Speaker 3: this weather, that's for sure. I'm seeing drivers with no

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Speaker 3: light sign or something.

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Speaker 2: She will, she will tell me that at nauseum, to

497
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Speaker 2: the point where I feel like I can hear a

498
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Speaker 2: little voice in my head every time I walk outside.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's cold. She's like, boy, just puts

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Speaker 2: along John's on, It's good weather.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for those in the YouTube chat suggesting questions

502
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Speaker 1: to ask Forrick Carlisle coming up at nine o'clock about

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Speaker 1: his favorite holiday or maybe the Colts game on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Lord, I think pray for us.

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Speaker 1: I can't say looking forward to that one. He did

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Speaker 1: have a sauce Gardener comment. I believe it was, you know,

507
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Speaker 1: a week or two ago when the sauce gardener trade happened.

508
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Speaker 1: He walked into the media room and mentioned that pre

509
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Speaker 1: game sauce Gardener to Miami during the bye week. Is

510
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Speaker 1: that right, James Boyd. He was out. This is a

511
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Speaker 1: second bye week for Sauce Gardner. The man's living right.

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Speaker 1: He got two bye weeks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two bye weeks, two overseas trips, not a bad life.

514
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Speaker 1: Max Stick went overseas for the Jets game. Correct, they

515
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Speaker 1: were in Dublin, if I'm not mistaken, and then he

516
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Speaker 1: also went overseas on the Jets bye week, and then

517
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Speaker 1: with the Colts he obviously played in Germany last week,

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Speaker 1: and then Miami, which I guess is kind of clost overseas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sauce kind of strikes me as the guy who

520
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Speaker 2: probably said a little bit more than he probably should

521
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Speaker 2: in some situations, because even yesterday when he's signed what

522
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Speaker 2: he did in the bye week, he just goes and

523
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Speaker 2: goes kind of rambles and he was like, oh, yeah, Miami,

524
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Speaker 2: and we're like oh. When he said that, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I could sweet this out right now and just get

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Speaker 2: a bunch of stupid reactions. I did not, because I

527
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Speaker 2: was like, that's probably not fair to him.

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Speaker 1: But he strikes me as a guy who plays hard

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Speaker 1: and enjoys player's travel. I think Cam Biden went to

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Speaker 1: Hawaii during the bye week. I mean, players travel during

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Speaker 1: the bye week.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's if this team is as good as

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Speaker 2: we think it is, and I believe they're a team

534
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Speaker 2: that at least won one playoff game. Shocking, I know,

535
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Speaker 2: and going on a limb here, But if that is

536
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Speaker 2: the case, this is your last little recharge before you

537
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Speaker 2: try to lock in and go on to run.

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Speaker 1: Uh Okay, Travarius Ward the update there, James yesterday, Shane

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Speaker 1: Stike and pretty much the most pe would say on

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Speaker 1: Ward was I'll have I should have some more information

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Speaker 1: for you on Wednesday. Yes, if I'm reading tea leaves,

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Speaker 1: does that mean they open up the twenty one day

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Speaker 1: window for him to return to practice Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: That's what I would think.

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Speaker 2: And the biggest reason I'm already kind of on that

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Speaker 2: train is because he traveled to Berlin, and you would

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Speaker 2: not travel that far if you were still feeling the

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Speaker 2: effects of a concussion. And Kevin just to give everyone

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Speaker 2: kind of the scene so over in Berlin. This is

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Speaker 2: probably the most access I've had pregame ever in my career.

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Speaker 2: They allowed us to basically stand right where they're p

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Speaker 2: players run out to the field for warm ups, and

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Speaker 2: if you knew nothing about the Colts in their injury

554
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Speaker 2: history or who was on IR and who wasn't, you

555
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Speaker 2: would think that mooney Ward was going to play in

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Speaker 2: that game. He came out cleats, you know, warm up

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Speaker 2: on a little sweat going. He was basically trying to

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Speaker 2: warm up as if he were going to be playing

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Speaker 2: in a game, and that whole presentation to me indicated

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Speaker 2: that he's on the right track to play sooner rather

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Speaker 2: than later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is great context. He has done something along

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Speaker 1: those lines that they get practiced too before they headed

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Speaker 1: over there. So you know, the thing about a concussion,

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Speaker 1: particularly one way you're out for four weeks, it does

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Speaker 1: offer a timetable that as long as you get over

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Speaker 1: some of those early symptoms, you can probably ramp up

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Speaker 1: your cardio decently. Well. You know, it's not like a

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Speaker 1: ankle injury, for example, where you might have some cardio limitations. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: you need the twenty one day window, which again just

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Speaker 1: remind everybody. Once you return to practice on an you

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Speaker 1: have twenty one days to either be activated to play

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Speaker 1: in a game or you have to say an IR

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. So again I think

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Speaker 1: signs point to mooney Ward practicing tomorrow, therefore playing on

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Speaker 1: Sunday inter reminder, this would be his first game back

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Speaker 1: in Arrowhead he has played four years. He played four

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Speaker 1: years his first four years in the NFL with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: He's played Kansas City before, most recently, of course, with

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, but this would be the first time he's

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Speaker 1: been back in Arrowhead since he played for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: To Forrest Buckner, I I don't know. He did the

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Speaker 1: stem Cell thing and Shane Stike and is hopeful he

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Speaker 1: returns the season. And hope is the word he continues

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Speaker 1: to use.

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Speaker 4: And I'll hold yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like I said yesterday on the show, I hope to

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Speaker 2: Mary Cayliney one day. It ain't gonna happen. I would

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Speaker 2: have to get in the same room with her, which

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Speaker 2: ain't gonna happen either. So as far as the Forrest

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Speaker 2: Buckner goes, this is where I say, I hope that

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Speaker 2: I'm Mary Keshers. Just be very happy that Maddie said yes.

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Speaker 2: I was about to say again, Maddy, if you listen

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Speaker 2: and you want to black his eyes, I will.

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Speaker 4: I'm no snitch.

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Speaker 1: I'll turn the other cheek and you know, let that happen.

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Speaker 1: But usually say that about Jeff I do and honestly,

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Speaker 1: he usually told the line a little bit uh worse, but.

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Speaker 4: Love your boss.

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Speaker 1: But going back to the forest bucker, which I probably

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Speaker 1: should on this show. I think the next real update

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Speaker 1: that we can ask for is when he's eligible to

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Speaker 1: really return from IR, which will be in week fifteen

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Speaker 1: for the Seattle Seahawks game.

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Speaker 4: Because at that.

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Speaker 2: Point, you have what three games left in the year,

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Speaker 2: We can straight up ask three or four. I believe

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Speaker 2: with fifteen sixteen seventy EF so yeah, you would have

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Speaker 2: four games left in the year. I would straight up

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Speaker 2: ask Shane is he coming back this year?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 2: He back for the playoffs, because at that point, I mean,

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Speaker 2: who cares about the last two rare season games at

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Speaker 2: this point. If there is a possibility for him plague

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Speaker 2: in this year, you just hope that it's when the

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Speaker 2: games count the most. And that is obviously after the

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Speaker 2: RECORDSSON ends.

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Speaker 1: I have to bring up Anthony Richardson because technically, like

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Speaker 1: Javeri's Ward James, he is eligible to return to practice tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: He and of course Mooney both got hurt in the

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Speaker 1: pregame warm ups of the Arizona game. Their stay on

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Speaker 1: IR is complete in terms of the eligible Yeah, after

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Speaker 1: that four games on IR.

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Speaker 4: Then I read that he leaves correctly though there.

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Speaker 1: When I hear Shane, though, I hear not as much

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Speaker 1: clarity like Mooney Ward. I feel like he practiced tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, it doesn't sound like it. No.

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Speaker 2: I think those terms or words that he used were

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Speaker 2: still rehabbing. And someone comments that when I put that

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Speaker 2: out there on social media, how do you rehab your face?

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking to myself, in a non joking manner,

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Speaker 2: that's a good question, because if it's just a I

633
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Speaker 2: need this just.

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Speaker 4: To heal thing, I am not sure how.

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Speaker 2: Orbital fractures really work. Is it something that you just

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Speaker 2: give it a certain amount of time? And I don't

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Speaker 2: think there is a rehabbit.

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Speaker 1: Kids he had surgery, yeah, and so now the thought is, ye,

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Speaker 1: I would assume just arrest.

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Speaker 4: Mostly there's no like workout.

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Speaker 2: You can't put a weight on your face and say

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Speaker 2: all right, flex this must like that's not realistic. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not so sure when he'll be back. And I

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Speaker 2: think the question you might ask Kevin was about who's

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Speaker 2: the backup?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he did say that when Richardson gets cleared.

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Speaker 1: I believe he said if he said it's cleared, yes,

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Speaker 1: then he would go back to being the backup again.

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Speaker 1: It's been Riley Leonard for the last four games. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I just I bring all this up, James,

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Speaker 1: because Daniel Jones has had exceptional health through the first

652
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Speaker 1: ten games this season. If Jones plays every snap on Sunday,

653
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Speaker 1: it'll be the first time in his NFL career he's

654
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: ever gotten to this point of a season and not

655
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Speaker 1: miss a snap due to injury or poor play. So

656
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Speaker 1: it's in Jones's career, which is what this is now

657
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: seventh year in the NFL, I think it is. Yeah,

658
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: it's rather unprecedented. He's reached this point of a season

659
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: and he's taken every snap without injury or bad play.

660
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Speaker 1: So you know, the Colts have not needed any other

661
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Speaker 1: quarterback this year for a meaningful snap. We'll see if

662
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Speaker 1: that continues now as the Colts get back from.

663
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Speaker 2: Their questions about the Colts, that I can have some

664
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Speaker 2: numbers about the Colts that we can get into.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, maybe a little te's there for.

666
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Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, for sure, I went down a rabbit

667
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Speaker 2: hole on a couple of these different things related to

668
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Speaker 2: the Colts and so there are some numbers out there

669
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Speaker 2: that really stood out to me about this season.

670
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Speaker 4: I think our listeners.

671
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Speaker 2: Can appreciate that kind of paint the picture of how

672
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Speaker 2: different things feel this year versus last year and a

673
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Speaker 2: few years prior.

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Speaker 3: When Quinn just called and he asked, if you guys

675
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Speaker 3: heard anything on Jalen Carlis, what's his status?

676
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 4: I have not. I will follow up.

677
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: And this is something I'm kicking myself for because that

678
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: a few people reach out to me to ask Shane

679
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: this yesterday, but I will ask tomorrow Wednesday. But here's

680
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: my own personal belief, and I know people are just

681
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: like I.

682
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Speaker 1: Set the scene on car last for a second here,

683
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Speaker 1: because I think some people might not know what He's

684
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: second year linebacker was thought to be a starter next

685
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: to Desire Franklin this year. I don't think he really

686
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: grasped the starting job. With lou An Arrumo coming over

687
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: this offseason and then an ankle injury, James proved to

688
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: be very nagging and that I think contributed to him

689
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: definitely not winning the starting job. And we've seen them

690
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: start a slew of linebackers. Jermaine Pratt, of course, has

691
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: come over in the last month or so, and he

692
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Speaker 1: is kind of locked down. I would say that starting job.

693
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Speaker 1: So I just want to throw in a little context

694
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Speaker 1: before you got into carliston.

695
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Speaker 2: Right, and to add to that context that you gave.

696
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Speaker 2: Jermaine Pratt is someone who's played in luin a Roumino

697
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: system for years now, so he knows it probably as

698
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Speaker 2: well as anybody on the roster when it comes to

699
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: his assignments what he's supposed to do.

700
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Speaker 4: That's number one, number.

701
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Speaker 2: Two with Carlis at this point in the year, I

702
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Speaker 2: personally wonder how much can you really rely on him,

703
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Speaker 2: especially if they position for him to be a starter

704
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: when he hasn't played.

705
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Speaker 4: Really any football.

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Speaker 2: I want to say it since training camp, Kevin, If

707
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Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, the guy has been on ird.

708
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Speaker 1: He has he been eligible this year for a game?

709
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Speaker 1: If he has been, no, yeah, he's off training camp.

710
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: I think he was one of those that practicing training camp. Yeah,

711
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: then got hurt.

712
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Speaker 2: And so from that perspective, I'll follow up on it.

713
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't hold my breath on this guy being

714
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Speaker 2: a big focal point of the defense this late in

715
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Speaker 2: the year, with so many reinforcements already kind of put

716
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Speaker 2: into those positions at linebacker and other places. Obviously they

717
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: really bolsted their quarterback room, but for linebacker purposes, he's

718
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: not somebody that I would really think that he's going

719
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: to be a big factor down the stretch because of

720
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: not playing this year, not really having a chance to

721
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: play in Leuin Orumo's system, and just the health. This

722
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: is a guy who no knock on jail in Carlis.

723
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Speaker 2: It's just the reality he has not been healthy since

724
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Speaker 2: they drafted him. And I get that he's supposed to

725
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Speaker 2: be the more rangy linebacker because of the former safety

726
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: history at Missouri Missou, but again that's all about potential

727
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: and things that might be in the future. Right now,

728
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: the culture in the moment, in the present, and I

729
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: personally would not sub out Jalen Carlis for Jermaine Pratt

730
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Speaker 2: just because he might become healthy, and even then we

731
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Speaker 2: don't know, so I'll definitely follow up on that. But

732
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Speaker 2: from what I understand, it is just his ankle. He

733
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Speaker 2: hasn't had much success with it when it comes to

734
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Speaker 2: the recovery. And that's not me like speculating, that's just obvious.

735
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Speaker 2: He would have been back by now if the ankle

736
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Speaker 2: was right. That's just reality.

737
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Speaker 1: I've gotten the vibe. It's not eminent by any means,

738
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Speaker 1: like I think the Moony war thing is imminent. I

739
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: don't get that vibe with here.

740
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Speaker 2: There are a couple of players like him. Damn Scott's

741
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: been out for a while with a knee injury. He's

742
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Speaker 2: eligible to come back from my R So I'll follow

743
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: up in a couple of those guys. But again not

744
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: to be dismissive. Whenever I'm asking injury updates for me,

745
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm usually going towards Okay, who is a surefire star

746
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: or in this case Mooney Ward, and then the Forrest Buckner,

747
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: and then for Anthony Richardson. Your backup quarterback is usually

748
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: more important as a backup than any other position on

749
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Speaker 2: the team.

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Speaker 1: We'll give those Colts numbers James mentioned here eight o'clock hour.

751
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: I also want to get to some Michael Pittman junior audio.

752
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: He had quite the amount of praise for Alec Pierce yesterday,

753
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: great teammate praise. I do think there was an interesting

754
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: angle that we can get to with. Oh yes, with

755
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Pittman's comments yesterday that had me laughing a little bit.

756
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Speaker 1: If you are a Colts fan right now, would you

757
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: rather have Michael Badgley kicking or Matt Gay kicking for you?

758
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: Badly? Badly?

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00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: Matt Gay doesn't miss extra points.

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Speaker 4: I know that, but you already had the mag Gay experience.

761
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Speaker 1: And he makes extra points. Michael Badley missed his extra points?

762
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Speaker 4: Was every missed that Matt Gay had last year?

763
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Speaker 1: Mac fifty one extra point in the last three years.

764
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Speaker 1: Michael Badgley's missed two in four weeks.

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Speaker 4: M I don't know, Kevin.

766
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Speaker 1: I feel like once you kick you X at a curb,

767
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't got you ca can't, you cannot

768
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: pull you turn. Brother, if it's good enough for you, you

769
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: might be calling him back here. Sometimes the grass ain't

770
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: always greener, and you can take that in a different directions.

771
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: On this Tuesday morning, I'm saying where the grass is

772
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: to be able to clear on this QPG. But and

773
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Speaker 1: I bring that up because Matt Gay cut yesterday by

774
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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. For those that haven't been paying attention

775
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: to the Matt Gay post Colts life, the Commanders signed

776
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: him relatively quickly after the Colts cut him back in

777
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: the spring. He has done what we saw Matt Gay

778
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Speaker 1: do here. He has missed from fifty north to fifty

779
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: he missed. I think it was two of them in

780
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Madrid from past fifty yards They ended up cutting him,

781
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: So I I mean, I say it a bit jokingly.

782
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: I assume they are sticking with Michael Badgeley, But James,

783
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: aren't we one more badgely short mess away from this

784
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: being a like? I know the Colts have had some

785
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: kicker struggles and Matt Gay was obviously a part of that.

786
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: But Matt Gay did not miss short field goals. He

787
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: did not miss extra points. So how greedy do you

788
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: want to get? It's not like Michael Badgley's banging them

789
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: home from fifty eight and sixty two.

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00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 4: I hear you, But boy, this is like.

791
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Speaker 1: Mark, would you rather have Michael Badgley kicking for you

792
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: or Matt Gay? I think Happy Gilmour sums up pretty good.

793
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: I Am not spending the rest of my life with

794
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: a loser. I'm gone, sure, then get the hell out

795
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: of my life. Who need you beat it? Leave me alone?

796
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, babe, I didn't mean that either.

797
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Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways. Well that to be

798
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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard on the phone to Matt Gay so bad

799
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Speaker 1: you can't.

800
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Speaker 3: Have it both ways. No, I would say we did

801
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: the Matt Gay experience. I mean we were fielding kickers.

802
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 3: You were fielding calls left and right.

803
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to go down that road again.

804
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to go We just didn't ignore the

805
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: missed extra points by Badley. No, but I okay, so

806
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: you know what you're getting.

807
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 4: Though, he was would you go get mag Gay?

808
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: I would think you've been telling me how you need

809
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: to be starting.

810
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: Matt Gay kicked and Michael Badgley. Okay, that's all I

811
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: got to hear you say. If you say it, maybe

812
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: I can believe it. I mean it's interesting to me

813
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: like they have it, And I get it when you

814
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: when you go to a third kicker in NFL season,

815
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: you're admitting we have a massive problem. And again the Colts,

816
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: obviously Spencer Trader's injury is the reason why they had

817
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: to go to a second kicker. Like third kicker is

818
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: def con mark. You've got kicker issues. Yeah, you know

819
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: how it is, so I but it is kind of

820
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: wild that like Matt Gay and Michael Badsley both can't

821
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: make from north to fifty yards. And when I say

822
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: that they both don't make it very consistently. Obviously, they've

823
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: made field goals from north of fifty. I want to

824
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 2: say Matt Gay was four of nine this year from

825
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: north to fifty in Washington and then for the most

826
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Speaker 2: part has made every other kick. Whereas with Badgeley, you

827
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: do have these two missed extra points here in recent weeks.

828
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Speaker 2: And just to put that into further perspective, the last

829
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Speaker 2: time the Colts missed two extra points pre badly, you've

830
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 2: got to go back four years years. He's missed two

831
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Speaker 2: in five weeks.

832
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you don't want to get desperate and

833
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, make the happy Gilmore phone call.

834
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, but also I mean Michael Badgley is somebody

835
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: that certainly has a resume that precedes everything else.

836
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: He's not homecoming queen and valedictorian. I think you have

837
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: to have a longer streak than just like to miss

838
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: point two missed extra points in the last two games.

839
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Speaker 1: I think if it, Mark will be the first one

840
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: tweet about this Sunday if you missed in the same

841
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: boat with the Bears, because Cairo Santos can't hit north

842
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: of fifty and they had Jake Moody on the practice squad,

843
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: and now he just got signed by the Commanders. So

844
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: you're the guy who has the booming leg.

845
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: He's gone now, so you're kind of like, all right,

846
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 3: we're gonna pull the trigger on Santo's should have done

847
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: it last couple of weeks.

848
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: They didn't, and now Moody's go.

849
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: So more concerning.

850
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: Michael Badgley being as short as he was in fifty

851
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: three or the missed extra point, I.

852
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: Think it's the extra points. Honestly, the extra points need

853
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: to be layups. Now north of fifty has turned into

854
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: a free throw. To put it into basketball terms, Okay,

855
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: but I can somewhat live with that. Trust me. It's

856
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: not ideal by any means in today's NFL. You know,

857
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: kickers are not coming up short from fifty, to be

858
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: very very clear. But the extra points need to be layups.

859
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: So that's what I agree. But yeah, it's probably a

860
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: stupid hypothetical that the Colts aren't.

861
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, give another week and we might be

862
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: having a serious conversation of.

863
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: The next four games outdoors. Just something to keep an

864
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: eye on. One thing. Note Rick Carlile at nine o'clock today,

865
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: not eight o'clock for him, James, I watched that game

866
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: last night, and boy, I know you and I are

867
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Speaker 1: in the same wave length at Jaylen Duran as a

868
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: grown man.

869
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: When did he.

870
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: Get that good? I was looking at his career stats.

871
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: He's made a massively.

872
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: When he dribbled into that pull up, I was like, yes,

873
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: what I was like, I was not familiar with the game.

874
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: I was thinking him, like, oh, yes, this is exactly

875
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: what I want to see. Kay Cunningham's out.

876
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: This guy's thinking he's dunked and caught lobs.

877
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: Well, he's turning into a star big man for them,

878
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: And honestly, I'll stink of boy, this would be the

879
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: perfect guy to pair of Talaburton.

880
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. When he dunked on Matheren and then

881
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: the next possession he threw Tony Bradley out of the

882
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: club A big dude.

883
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

884
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: And when he threw him out of the paint, I

885
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: was and.

886
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: They said he's only like I think he turned twenty

887
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: two today. I was like, boy, he's gonna be. Are

888
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 2: they like a divisional opponent? I'd never keep up with

889
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: NBA divisions B. Yeah, that will be somebody the Pacers

890
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: up to see for years to come. Yeah, and I

891
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: will give mather In this credit. I love his competitiveness

892
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: because he is nuts. The man gets dunked on by

893
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: Jillen Duran and just smiles like I'll get my look back.

894
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: And I love that about him. I missed that.

895
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, math he's talking to the Piston's band, which I

896
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: mean the guy he is wired differently. We need that

897
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: full forty eight minute Mathering experience last night. Yes, if

898
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: you had the bet at halftime you wanted to pull

899
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: your hair out with Matheren And then the second half

900
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: he is literally team climb on my back and watch.

901
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: Kevin's knocking down the statue at one point. Now he's

902
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: in rebuilding the backup higher than Daniel Jones paper mache.

903
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: Did you really pull out put out a show? Twitter

904
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: pulled to the cold back Mac.

905
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: Gay because I think it's a ridiculous question. So you

906
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: think it is a ridiculous. I don't think it's that ridiculous.

907
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: After he kind of talking about what Matt Gay's name was.

908
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 3: Bob Jones, but you already went down the Bob Jones

909
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: experience before he makes extra points.

910
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean our extra points. The one you really want, yes,

911
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: especially for a team that scores at this rate. You

912
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: got change stiking goes for all the fourth downs. Anyways,

913
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: how many field goals are the Colts are really kicking?

914
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 6: No?

915
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: That's why I posed the question, because do the fans

916
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 3: want to see Matt Gay trotting into West fifty sixth again?

917
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 5: Oh?

918
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: That happy gil Moore clip made me la if Dan

919
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: Burglar draft analyst at eight thirty. Much more cults, much

920
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: more pacers. The Heisman campaign officially announced from Indiana. Fernando

921
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Mendoza will hit on that.

922
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 6: I'm laughing.

923
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: One of the people in the YouTube jet said, good morning, coach,

924
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: how are you good.

925
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's a that's a rick that's gonna you, that's

926
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: gonna be you, and he goes good. I think it's

927
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: just say okay.

928
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's what it is. It's okay, which is

929
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: probably more soccer falls.

930
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Yes, give us the nine thirty Kevin Bellen game. Voyd

931
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Mark Dyton here on a Tuesday.

932
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 5: Good are you, honey?

933
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: You're going nowhere happy and you're taking me with you.

934
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: All you ever talk about is being a pro hockey player.

935
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: But there's a problem. You're not any good.

936
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: I am good.

937
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 1: You know what, you're a lousy kindergarten teacher. I see

938
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: no finger paints you bring home and they suck.

939
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, baby, I didn't mean that. I think the

940
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 5: excellent finger paint.

941
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: Please don't go late night getting home for the pacers.

942
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: So it'll be Rick Carlisle at nine o'clock here on

943
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning, looking forward to chatting with Dane Brugler,

944
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: NFL draft analysts coming up at eight thirty. We have

945
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: Dane on probably a couple of times during the year,

946
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: definitely the combine, almost annually, it seems like. So we'll

947
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: chat about Fernando Mendoza with him Indiana officially, publicly, social

948
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: media wise, if you will, backing the Heisman campaign. Point

949
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you can just rattle off Heismandoza, Oh man,

950
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: doesn't that just sound great?

951
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: He did enjoy that.

952
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that, And I'm a sucker for the typical

953
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: and I'm sure they're all great human beings. I want

954
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: you tell me the backstory of the kid, and I

955
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: believe is it his mom or someone in MSMs?

956
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, yeah, him and his brother have really done

957
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: a lot off the field to raise money. Yeah, I

958
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: believe there's a burger at Buffalo Louise. I want to say,

959
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: which didn't you stop there?

960
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: I did? I'm sorry.

961
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: I didn't know what burger that was, Otherwise I would

962
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: have ordered it. But shout out to buffalois that was

963
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: some good eat.

964
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: It is very good eating down there. So yeah, I mean,

965
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: he just you know, we're half joking, half serious of

966
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's the campus tour guide down there with

967
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: his just pure and genuine joy. He was on again

968
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: with Pat mcfeh yesterday. He mentioned him and Daniel Jones

969
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: recently had a conversation. So yeah, maybe that'll be something

970
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones will enlighten us about here coming up

971
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: tomorrow and just remind people from a Heisman standpoint. Antoine

972
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: Randa Law one of my favorite players to watch growing up.

973
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: He finished sixth in the Heisman Trophy back in two

974
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: thousand and one. The winner of the two thousand and

975
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: one Heisman.

976
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 4: Trophy, Matt Lioner.

977
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: Matt Lionerd is James Boyd's guest Mark Dyton.

978
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: Where's he Bush? I think I think Bush's late.

979
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Shout out to Rex Grossman, runner up, a man that

980
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he ever played a game

981
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL.

982
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 4: Oh, I definitely got this wrong.

983
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: Oh there Crouch, Mark dyked In, whoa, what a pull? Unbelievable. God,

984
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: do you have some like AI glasses that you just

985
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden just yeah, I've got the Uh

986
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: did he play a snap of the NFL. I've got

987
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: the Chelsea Billups special third round pick of the Rams

988
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: while he was that high? Uh so Randal l six

989
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: of course, Anthony Thompson, that was the one of the

990
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: closer Heisman racist hm and Andrea. I think was Andrea aware?

991
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: By the way, it's still a great athlete. Told y'all

992
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: played against him in a pickup game during the combine.

993
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: They usually have like these basketball runs super early in

994
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: the morning before everything starts Combine week, and we'll gather

995
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: at the YMCA, the a YMC right down town at

996
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: like six am. And he was out there and I

997
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: was guarding him and did not go well for.

998
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: You, boy, the Bears. I wanted you to hire him

999
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: instead of kurts Well. I to be honestly, I've never

1000
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: really heard of Kurtz Signetty before taking the job. That's

1001
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: why I wanted you to hire He.

1002
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: Is with me it would have been he would have

1003
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 4: got good reception though.

1004
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: He's like high up with the Bears, right like assistant

1005
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: head coachman Ben Johnson. Yeah, and wide receivers coach. Yeah,

1006
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: he's with Dan Campbell and then sappened Detroit, now with Chicago.

1007
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: So he was the guy that my uncle was getting

1008
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: mad at when uh, well, who was it that dropped

1009
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: the pass?

1010
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: DJ Moore dropped one and that was just terrible.

1011
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that was a non DJ Moore. I tell

1012
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: my uncle at chillout, that's an I you legend right there.

1013
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: You hush your mouth speaking of whiteouts. Michael Pittman, Junior,

1014
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: yesterday I met the media again. Colts off today, back

1015
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: to practice tomorrow, and just to kind of give a

1016
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: lay of the land of where the Colts are at

1017
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: contractually at white out. Alec Peerce is in a contract year,

1018
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: James Boyd, I would say he is flourishing in this

1019
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: contract year, continuing to tack on a comma, continuing to

1020
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: attack on a zero with how Alec Pearce has played

1021
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, Junior, franchise tag what last year two.

1022
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 4: Years ago, two years ago? Due this was twenty twenty.

1023
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: Four and the Colts ended up getting that extension done

1024
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: with them. But then and did the three year extend

1025
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: A la little Terry McLaurin from this past offseason here

1026
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: and the hopes and the belief that he would hit

1027
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: then the open market.

1028
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he basically said, you're gonna pay you boy again.

1029
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: A third contract. Yes, So that was the reason doing

1030
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: the three year and not a four year deal is

1031
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: I want to get to extension territory quicker than signing

1032
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: the bigger second contract there. Here was Michael Pittman Junior

1033
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: yesterday when asked about the season his fellow White Out

1034
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: Alec Pierce's having.

1035
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1036
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 8: I mean people have always seen him as a deep thret,

1037
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 8: but I think what he's doing in the intermediate game now,

1038
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 8: I mean like he's really opening up his game and

1039
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 8: showing people what he can do. And if we don't

1040
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 8: sign him click, I mean, the price.

1041
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 6: Just keeps going up.

1042
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 8: I mean, and he's not gonna slow down the way

1043
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 8: they keep him.

1044
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior yesterday on Alec here sounded like aps agent. Yeah,

1045
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: I know, pay my guy, CIA intern. Michael Pittman Junior,

1046
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: rut there. I I'm very curious how the what and

1047
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: it's a great problem to have. Very curious how the

1048
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver money will be allocated here in future years

1049
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: for the cult you, for the Colts. Yes again, Pierce

1050
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: contract here. Pittman. Next year will be the final year

1051
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: of his contract. The thought when he signed the second

1052
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: contract was, I'll get the extension this coming off season.

1053
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: Another extension, right, Josh Downs will be in a contract

1054
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: year next year. Yes, So if I just played this

1055
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: game for you, James, it's I don't like this game

1056
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: already twenty twenty seven. Okay, so two years from now

1057
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: you can only have two of the three Pittman Pierce Downs.

1058
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: Who do you think I'll.

1059
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 4: Tell us your I don't like this game?

1060
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: That bringing a lot of fun games to table? Or

1061
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: Michael Badgley, where's our poll at that our game that

1062
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: was just torture at the might put a poll on

1063
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: both the Twitter page and on the stream, and currently

1064
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: seventy percent say no. On the stream they don't with

1065
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: their xpac nope the questions and don't play me.

1066
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: Every time I had I had excellent, it always go

1067
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: back to wait. She she was pretty fine though I

1068
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: might be able to.

1069
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: Figure something out.

1070
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: I respect you publicly admitting that I am oh Man, right.

1071
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: He look, I'm being honest. It's never, It's never the

1072
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: other stuff. It's like, but people in their brains are

1073
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: going all sorts of ways in their cars right now,

1074
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: and not because of the morning rain here on this commute.

1075
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm a Michael Pittman dude. I take downs and Piers.

1076
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1077
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: To me, it's all about traits you that are harder

1078
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: to find, you know what.

1079
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 4: I might lean downs and Piers as well.

1080
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: We got a divert to fight the room.

1081
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 4: The VERSTI five of the room.

1082
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: Yes, But I think Pittman's age also probably creeps up

1083
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: in my mind too, because isn't he I want to

1084
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: say he's maybe twenty six, twenty seven.

1085
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: Mark, look that up. I think he might even be

1086
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: older than that. H Pittman was an old draft pick.

1087
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 4: I want to say he's twenty seven.

1088
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: So two years from now twenty nine, do I want

1089
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: to pay another receiver that much money at that age?

1090
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: Probably not, So that's probably a factor as well. He

1091
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: is twenty eighth, just turned twenty eight or October at

1092
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: that point, then I'm probably not trying to give him

1093
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: a big bag again.

1094
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: Well, and when I heard that those comments yesterday and again,

1095
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's his typical pit. He's a great teammate,

1096
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: and he stands for so much of you know, I've

1097
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: said it a million times. He's not your typical diva

1098
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: wide out. There's no usc pretty boy in Michael Pittman Junior. Yeah,

1099
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: he stands for so much of what you want to

1100
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: be about James. His cappit for next year is twenty

1101
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: nine million. I know the Colts only a four cap

1102
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: pits north of twenty million for next year. So this

1103
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: is a bigger cap hit than the dors Buckner, than

1104
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson, than Mooney War.

1105
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: And it doesn't include Daniel Jones getting paid.

1106
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: Jones could obviously shift that. But even if you, let's

1107
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: say Jones' capit will be bigger, which probably will. I

1108
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: don't think many people would view Michael Pittman Jr. As

1109
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: the second highest cap hit on the team. If you

1110
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: rank the top ten Colts players, Michael Pittman Junior is

1111
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: not second right on the list. So you know, these

1112
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 1: are all good problems to have, but these are all

1113
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: curious things that I think the Colts will have to address.

1114
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: And it's just kind of like bi week fodder honestly,

1115
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of curious. I don't know. Maybe we'll

1116
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: ask Alec next time we get the chance to talk

1117
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: to him of does he feel like there could be

1118
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: an nd season extension? We don't see it often with

1119
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: Chris Ballard, but I would say Alec Pierce's close to

1120
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: deserving that when do we retire the line?

1121
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: We don't see this often from Chris Ballard as well,

1122
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: because everything we've seen from the man for the last

1123
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: eight months has not been anything that's happened previously.

1124
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: I know I've I've joked, but now I'm serious. You

1125
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: know you have BC and maybe a D Right.

1126
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: That's so good?

1127
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 6: Is that right?

1128
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 4: That's so good?

1129
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: Don't we say that about Chris Ballad?

1130
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 6: No?

1131
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 5: Man?

1132
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, had I known he changes ways, I don't

1133
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: know if I would have written back in January, fire

1134
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: the man. Yeah, but pre CB, if I can go

1135
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: down that path, YEA a man that was very plugged

1136
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: into wanting a vanilla defensive scheme and a man that

1137
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: wasn't going to spend in free agency. Now what would

1138
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: it be? A D C B. I I should stop

1139
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: with my acronyms here, but it's a different. Chris Ballard

1140
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: the simplest way to put it. And again, and I

1141
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: say it's in all seriousness, and I've said it about

1142
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: Chris Bouerd prior or Kevin Pritchell, I should say prior.

1143
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: I think in those positions of authority, James, you obviously

1144
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: have done something in your career to get to that point.

1145
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: You have accomplished something that ownerships around the league, leagues

1146
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: plural have you you enough to hire you? So I

1147
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: understand you have core beliefs, you have principles. You don't

1148
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: want to waver from no, no, no, Like I earned

1149
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: this job. I got it for a reason. Don't waiver.

1150
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: Adversity is gonna hit you, don't, you know, all of

1151
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: a sudden deviate from your plan. But I think it

1152
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: also comes a point in time where you just can't

1153
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: be stubborn as well. And for Kevin Pritchard and you

1154
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: probably lived it on the Pacers beat that was saying

1155
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: no to Demantas Sabonis and Miles Turner next to each other.

1156
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: That's when at.

1157
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: One point they had to change their stripes too to

1158
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: have that breakthrough, kind of like the cults are having.

1159
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think in a way I don't know

1160
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: if you know the Turner Sabonis personnel grouping necessarily played

1161
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: out from an NFL standpoint, but I think Ballads clearly

1162
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: changed his ways.

1163
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 4: Here one thing on Alec Pierce, and I'm looking.

1164
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: At spo track, which is one of the NFL salary

1165
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: websites we often use, and they project Alec Pierce's market

1166
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: value to be for his next contract four years at

1167
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 2: an annual average of about sixteen million dollars. I'm telling

1168
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 2: you right now today, I think that Alec Pierce will

1169
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 2: command twenty million dollars next year as a wide receiver.

1170
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: Oh agreed, I think north of it exactly, and I

1171
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 2: can already hear people telling me that's an overpay, that's

1172
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: too much for him. Yes, he's made strives, he's not

1173
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: number one, but in today's league, man, it's either you

1174
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: pay over their price to keep the guy or you

1175
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: let him walk, because there's no way. I mean, he

1176
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 2: stays healthy and clears a thousand yards for the first

1177
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 2: time in his career and continues sort of versatility beyond

1178
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: just being a deep threat. Who by the way, I

1179
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: looked this up yesterday, Kevin, He's still the only receiver

1180
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: in the league, averaging over twenty yards to catch. That's

1181
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: in addition to everything else that he's done. He's a

1182
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 2: great run blocker. Does say he's starting to round out

1183
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: the real route tree? Yeah, so this is still being

1184
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: argue the best of you thread in the game, rounding

1185
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: out the route tree, being an exceptional blocker. I mean,

1186
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,959
Speaker 2: coming the tape from Berlin, the guys on the other

1187
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: side of the field lined up out wide when JT

1188
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: breaks won and he ends up being his lead blocker

1189
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: to the end zone. Like, those types of things get

1190
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: you paid. And so I do wonder how much money

1191
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: he'll be able to command, especially if let's say you like,

1192
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: I don't know what the Colts franchise tag him.

1193
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: I think I would highly look into the tag for

1194
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: either Jones or Piers.

1195
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: The tag will be very high for the quarterback. Get

1196
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: me forty six million dollars for one year projected.

1197
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: Man, you really got to see these final seven games.

1198
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 8: I know.

1199
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: And you know what's crazy again, going back to uh

1200
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: spows track, they have Daniel Jones and his projected value

1201
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: annually on his X deal will be like forty plus million.

1202
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be that high, but this is

1203
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: where I get into the and I don't want to

1204
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: get too far in the weed, too ahead of myself.

1205
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: And we'll have this conversation plenty of times when the

1206
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: off season rolls around. But how much can he ask

1207
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: for that the Colts are willing to give because he

1208
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: has gained so much leverage, assuming he doesn't have a

1209
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: major injury.

1210
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 1: I know part of it, like the way he realized

1211
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: this opportunity here in Indy doesn't grow on trees and

1212
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: he should be grateful for it. But I wasn't born.

1213
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: I'd give me grateful and still get paid a lot

1214
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: of money. I mean, I'm very grateful to give you

1215
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: for you to give me more.

1216
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: Money, and agents and grateful are probably worth.

1217
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't strike me as that type of guy,

1218
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 2: which is why he has agents to play that kind

1219
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: of game, because if he says I want forty million

1220
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 2: dollars a year, what are the Colts gonna say?

1221
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 5: No?

1222
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1223
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: Was Antoline randellil giving you buckets? I totally forgot No

1224
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: played basketball voue.

1225
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 4: No he did. He gave me buckets and it really wasn't.

1226
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: I'm maturing like him and Dan Campbell in the two

1227
00:56:59,400 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: man games.

1228
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't necessarily like him coming down and like

1229
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: pulling up for three or I'm gonna cross over. It

1230
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: was he would put me on the freaking post. And

1231
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: he's still in pretty good shape. And as a former

1232
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 2: football player, man, I can't really, I can't hang in

1233
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: the post.

1234
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 4: I love that five.

1235
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: Eleven he's posting you up. Yeah, but no, his chest

1236
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: sits out here in Patrick. It was a lot of

1237
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: mouse in the house.

1238
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: Uh, And yeah, it got to the point where I'm like,

1239
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: if you guys don't send help, he might score all

1240
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: fifteen for his team. He's a good player, I mean

1241
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: the guy. He's a great athlete. And it's just funny. Afterwards,

1242
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: I'm going, hey, I'm James Boy, and he goes, yeah,

1243
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm Antwine.

1244
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, I know.

1245
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 1: Who you are. Like, it's cool that he's still humble

1246
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: enough to act that way. We'll talk a little NFL

1247
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: draft here in fifteen again. Normally this time we're chatting

1248
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: with Rick Carlisle. That'll be nine o'clock, but the Pacers

1249
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: head coach Dan Brugler going to join us here in fifteen.

1250
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: One note on the NBA Draft James. Yeah, Kevin O'Connor

1251
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: from The Ringer, I saw mention this the other day

1252
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: and obviously has sadly, I guess plenty err. I don't know,

1253
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not sadly. Maybe it's the best thing for

1254
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: the Pacers. Frankly as humbly in as that said, this

1255
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six NBA draft, a lot of people are

1256
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: already starting to hype up O'Connor. NBA draft analysts for

1257
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: The Ringer was chatting with an NBA executive and this

1258
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: person mentioned to him that Cooper Flag would likely have

1259
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: been and again, remember Flag reclassified, so he actually should

1260
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: be in this year's draft. The twenty twenty six draft,

1261
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: he likely would have been the third ish pick and

1262
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: potentially dropped to five or six in the twenty twenty

1263
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: six NBA draft class. Now, even if you don't want

1264
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: to get into Cooper Flag hyperbole, there, yeah, the fact

1265
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: that there is even a glimmer of that chatter just

1266
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: goes to show you this draft class coming up here

1267
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: in April for the NBA or excuse me whatever, June

1268
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: for the NBA. April would be the NFL draft. Generational

1269
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: is a word we use way too much. In sports,

1270
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: but it sounds like it's got some legit, high end quality.

1271
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1272
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 2: It got Mark so excited he started playing love songs over.

1273
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: There and it started firing off. Mark sens that X

1274
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, you know online one there like I don't

1275
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: want to after that.

1276
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: Black and your eyes either, So hum, you know everyone,

1277
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: I'm down here, I would say to that extent, Kevin

1278
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: and I was joking at first. It really does get

1279
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 2: to a point where you start thinking, is there a

1280
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: chance for us to get a generational guy?

1281
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: And you would be naive as an organization, Yeah, to

1282
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: ignore that as much as you want to play to

1283
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: a standard and as much as you're all about winning

1284
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: and we don't tank. I mean we are what fourteen

1285
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: or the pictures one and thirteen? Is that right?

1286
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 4: Yes? I believe after last night's lost.

1287
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're fourteen games into a season. Mark, do

1288
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: that math? What is that one fifth of the way through?

1289
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: Something along those lines. I'm not a math guy, so

1290
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, yes, you're corruct like we're you know,

1291
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: we're not there, you know, Tony East Mitchen do us

1292
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: yesterday he said we're about a fifth. He said about

1293
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: mid to December might need a fifth to get through

1294
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: the uh pacer seas. Again, nothing with that, we never

1295
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Speaker 1: we necessarily need to dive into too much with Benedic

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01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: Matheren coming back last night. But still you'd be just

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: frankly not doing your due diligence as an organization if

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Speaker 1: you ignore that. So much more on that here coming

1299
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: up in a few uh but James, unless you got

1300
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: anything else, let's hit in a morning checked out.

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Speaker 2: No, I would just say, again, we see those Duke games,

1302
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: Kansas games.

1303
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 4: Turn it on and see if there's.

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01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: Champ Classic tonight. There you go, Yeah, Champions Classic tonight.

1305
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: I believe it's in Michigan State, Kentucky. I want to

1306
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: say six thirty. In between those two games, you'll get

1307
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: your next iteration of the college football playoff poll. I

1308
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: don't think too much really reason for Indiana to jump

1309
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 1: or fall. Necessarily expect them to be a two. Notre

1310
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: Dame will be interesting. You know how much of the

1311
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: two loss teams. Now Oklahoma getting another notable win, do

1312
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: they jump Notre Dame? Does that push Notre Dame a

1313
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: little bit further down? That'll be something to keep an

1314
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: eye on coming up tonight. All right, last night in Detroit,

1315
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: Mark Dyke. Then let's let Rick Carlile's words describe what

1316
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: he witnessed there with the Pacers.

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01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 6: You know, we got to be better and really all

1318
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 6: areas twenty one turnovers?

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01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 7: Is there anything thematic you saw with those?

1320
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 6: Throw to the team in blue and out the team

1321
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Speaker 6: in white.

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: James forty minutes from now, Rick Carlisle will join us,

1323
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: says you count down the minutes.

1324
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to. It's gonna be great stuff. And

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01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: I do appreciate him taking the time. Well, one of

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01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: the things I want to ask him, and I will

1327
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: ask him, is how do you balance development because you're

1328
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: playing so many young guys, and so many guys perhaps

1329
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: out of their natural positions, or you're asking them to

1330
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: do more than their probably capable of this point in time,

1331
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 2: versus trying to stack wins, So development versus wins, and

1332
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: the frustration of you know, not really seeing the latter

1333
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 2: when it comes to this team, especially being so far

1334
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: removed from what feels like a lifetime ago of playing

1335
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: for everything, So very interested to talk to Rick Carlo.

1336
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: And again, as much as we joke about how tough

1337
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: the interview will be, I think people want to hear

1338
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 2: from him, because this is a team that has their

1339
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 2: dna is to play hard and to compete at a

1340
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: high level. But we're just not seeing the results like

1341
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 2: we normally would.

1342
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: You better bring it, Kevin, right out of the gate.

1343
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: What's going on with your team?

1344
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: Rick wins.

1345
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 2: Last time he checked to run you know, the flex

1346
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: offense like I did in fourth.

1347
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: Grade twenty five for Bendick Mathernin last night twenty five

1348
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: minutes as well, So good news there in terms of

1349
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: his back in the lineup. Struggled early, but was Benedic

1350
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: Matherin in the second half as the Pacers tried to

1351
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: make it interesting. But that is now eight straight losses,

1352
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: six in a row by at least fifteen points, which

1353
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: extends their franchise record. Monday Night Football Last night it

1354
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: was the Cowboys all over the Raiders. Dak press got

1355
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: through for four touchdowns and George Pickens reminded all of

1356
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: us that he is extremely talented and probably very frustrating

1357
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: as well as the coach he is.

1358
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 2: We gotta get uh, maybe an anonymous Paul going at

1359
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: the athletic leg how often he been late to meetings?

1360
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: You ever been sleeping at the facility tell me the

1361
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: truth because both him and.

1362
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 4: CD Lamb, I guess, So I don't know what.

1363
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll come out at some point, but what

1364
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: their issues were.

1365
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 4: But maybe it was a.

1366
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: Playing Papa shot in the locker room, I don't know.

1367
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: And you missed the morning meeting or you walked in

1368
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 2: a little bit late for your team gathering. I don't know,

1369
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: but yeah, between spitting and sleeping, not a good look

1370
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 2: for a lot of spitting in the sleep the NFL

1371
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: players later.

1372
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: I guess on the saliva front as disgusting of a

1373
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: transition as that is. Jamar Chase suspended for Sunday's game

1374
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. So that is of note because the

1375
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: Colts want the Patriots to lose Denver on a bye

1376
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: this week. New England has a very hey schedule the

1377
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: rest of the way, not good news for the Colts.

1378
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: Although it was out there as well. And I laughed

1379
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: because one of.

1380
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: My followers on Twitter said they think that Jamar Chase

1381
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: shefs suspended another game for lying, Like I don't know, Like.

1382
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: Well, you were all over this when Jalen Carter did

1383
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: Week one. You thought multiple games for Jalen Carter, did

1384
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: you not.

1385
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: I thought that it was stupid for him to say

1386
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 2: he didn't play in the game. Yeah, because he didn't

1387
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: log a snap.

1388
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: Yeah my opinion, because he didn't play.

1389
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he should have been injected from that

1390
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: game and then spend the following game. I think that

1391
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 2: should have been the case, which is kind of what happened.

1392
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 2: Actually didn't happen with Jamar Chase. He didn't get ejected

1393
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 2: from that game. But yeah, that was my thinking. But

1394
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: I laughed at the whole Like you spit on a guy,

1395
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: you should be honest about it.

1396
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know it. Yeah, I spit on him.

1397
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 4: Doesn't sound any better to me.

1398
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: Local injury news is always something that I don't want

1399
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: to share, but yesterday announced it sounds like a season

1400
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: ending knee injury for Michael Pennox Junior. We have unfortunately

1401
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: been down that road before there. I don't believe it's

1402
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: the same knee that he needed surgery on twice at Indiana.

1403
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: So again Pennick's controversial pick for al Hi. He was taken.

1404
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: The Atlanta season has been a disaster. The regime is

1405
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: a to stay there doesn't sound good at all, and

1406
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: Juju Brentz. Unfortunately, the oft injured Man Warren central project

1407
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: continued for him foot injury suffered in Madrid for the Dolphins.

1408
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: He is out for the season. You just want to

1409
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: turn injuries off. Frankly, video game it up with some

1410
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: of these guys. So he has now played in eighteen

1411
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: of a possible fifty one games. He was a former

1412
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: second round pick of the Colts. Speaking of the drafts,

1413
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: speaking of the Colts, I guess it will be a

1414
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: little bit of Colts, but more of the other Indiana prospects.

1415
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: Is Fernando Mendoza going to be the number one overall pick?

1416
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: How would Dane Brugler view Jeremiah Love as a running

1417
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: back on the top ten?

1418
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 4: Oh, they're talking about Jeremiah Smith. You're the favorite player we.

1419
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: Will talk about draft next to Dane Brugler. Alright, eight

1420
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: thirty on a rainy Tuesday. Here, we've done this the

1421
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: last couple of years. When the Colts bye week hits,

1422
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: we talk a little bit about the NFL Draft, and

1423
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, obviously things have shifted a whole lot a

1424
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: When the team you cover is eight and two, the

1425
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: draft maybe gets pushed a little bit further to the

1426
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: back Berner and then when they trade the twenty twenty

1427
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: six and twenty twenty seven first round picks. You don't

1428
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: find it totally relevant from a team standpoint, but we

1429
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: know the draft never sleeps in the state of Indiana

1430
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: oddly could have some picks be called quite early coming

1431
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: up in April of next year. And to talk more

1432
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: about it, he is the best in the business. We

1433
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: always appreciate his chat with us kind of been an

1434
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: annual thing at the combine in person, but from the

1435
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: athletic the great Dane Brugler is with us. Dane, good morning, sir,

1436
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: how are you.

1437
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 5: Good morning guys?

1438
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 7: Man?

1439
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 5: I prepare it all morning for a twenty twenty eight

1440
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 5: month draft? Are we not doing that?

1441
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: Is Marshall Manning eligible? Other than to say you sick

1442
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: twenty eight know in Dane, I'm like some people have

1443
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: the Bible next to their bed. Other people have the Beast,

1444
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: And courtesy of Dane Brugler, he provides that for us

1445
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: this is true.

1446
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this as the athletic guy, but the

1447
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: Beast still gets cracked open every now and then when

1448
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: I got to refresh my memory on like where does

1449
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: player come from? What weird fun fact can I use

1450
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: for a feature down the line. So, Dane, thank you

1451
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: for the serve his brother.

1452
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 5: It's very humbling to hear that, because, Yeah, it's the

1453
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 5: thing I love about the draft guide is it's eternal, right,

1454
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 5: I mean even like you know, I hear it from

1455
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 5: fans all the time, like in free agency, Hey we

1456
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 5: just signed this player. I went back to the Beast

1457
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 5: from six years ago and found this out and that's

1458
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 5: pretty cool, and so I'd love to hear that.

1459
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go to Bloomington, and the hype train is

1460
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: obviously alive and well. Heisman wise for Fernando Mendoz, I

1461
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would be keeping an eye

1462
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: on a week from Saturday, NFL people if indeed it

1463
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: plays out of Indiana and Ohio State here for the

1464
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship. Do you view him as a separator

1465
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: in a quarterback class that maybe has lost some of

1466
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: the preseason hype.

1467
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's the one quarterback who has lived

1468
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 5: up to the expectations based off of what we thought

1469
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 5: over the summer. In my initial top fifty back in August,

1470
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 5: I have four quarterbacks in the top twenty, and Fernando

1471
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 5: Mendoza is the only one of those four still in

1472
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 5: the top twenty, and he is looking like a strong

1473
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 5: contender for that QB one spot. You know, it's an

1474
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 5: interesting quarterback class because the top guys are all underclassmen

1475
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 5: and they could all really have a case to go

1476
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 5: back talking about Dante Moore at Oregon, Tys Simpson at Alabama,

1477
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 5: Leonora Sellers South Carolina, So you know, it'll be interesting

1478
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 5: to see how that all shakes out. And then even

1479
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 5: with Franda Mendoza, I think most expect him to take

1480
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 5: that jump to the NFL after the season, especially with

1481
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 5: his younger brother waiting in the wings to take over.

1482
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 5: But you know, we'll have to see how the season

1483
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 5: ends for for Indiana. Is it you know, lifting the

1484
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 5: National Championship Trophy?

1485
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 6: Is it?

1486
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 5: Do they win the Big Ten? Could it be a

1487
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 5: put in a position where maybe the Mendoza feels like

1488
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 5: there's unfinished business. You know, we'll have to wait and

1489
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 5: see how that plays out. But he is arguably the

1490
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 5: top draft eligible quarterback this year. In a year where

1491
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 5: there's plenty of team to the top of the draft,

1492
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,919
Speaker 5: they're gonna need a quarterback. Talking about the Browns, the Saints,

1493
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 5: the Jets. You know, there's multiple teams that could be,

1494
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 5: you know, really looking to jockey for position to get

1495
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 5: one of these quarterbacks and f Mendoza's. If it's a

1496
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,919
Speaker 5: one or two quarterback class, Mendoza's is gonna be awfully popular.

1497
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 5: And so it'll be interesting to see how these next

1498
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 5: few months play out.

1499
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: And to stick with IU for a second here, Dane

1500
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: and again we have Dan Brugler, the Athletics draft guru

1501
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: here on our paylof Slickers Hotline and Dame. Two of

1502
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: the receivers I think they have earned themselves some money

1503
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: this year, Elijah shah Rot and Omar Cooper Junior. So

1504
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: for those two players, how much do you think their

1505
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: stock has risen given the spotlight has been on IU

1506
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 2: and the performances they've had against some of these opponents

1507
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: and to help this team remain undefeated this year.

1508
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt.

1509
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 5: Omark Cooper Junior has been a lot of fun of

1510
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 5: WA because he's, you know, the ball skills are outstanding

1511
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 5: and then his run after catchability really stands out. So

1512
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 5: you want to line him up in the slot, line

1513
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 5: him up outside. Yeah, he's a player that I think

1514
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 5: he has put himself on the top one hundred conversation

1515
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 5: and then Elijah'sarrod. I mean, he came in to this

1516
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 5: season as a fourth or fifth round pick, that's where

1517
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 5: the grades were from NFL teams, and he's only helped himself.

1518
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 5: You know, six to two and ten pounds, probably going

1519
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 5: to run the four to fourth somewhere. He's so good

1520
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 5: with the chemistry with Mendoza on those back shoulder throws.

1521
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 5: You know, the ball skills are there. He is more

1522
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 5: explosive than you think, like he he kind of looks

1523
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 5: like a possession receiver, but he's got more explosion than

1524
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 5: I think. You know, you just you expect going into

1525
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 5: the tape. And so he definitely has a basketball background,

1526
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 5: but he is an NFL athlete as well, and so, uh,

1527
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 5: I love the story with him. Kind of not a

1528
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 5: type of guy you want to bet against. And so

1529
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 5: I think those types of players just gravitate towards coach

1530
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 5: Signete and you really see that playout on game day.

1531
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 5: And so I'm you know, I'm selfishly hoping to see

1532
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 5: Ohio State get over the hump against Michigan just so

1533
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 5: we make sure we get that Indiana. Ohio State matchup

1534
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 5: in the Big Ten championship game, just to see how

1535
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 5: these two teams will match up. Seeing Mendoza and these

1536
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 5: receivers up against a defense the caliber of Ohio State

1537
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 5: and then a really good Indiana defense, to see how

1538
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 5: they can hold up against a really explosive offense. Aiden Fisher,

1539
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 5: what he's done a linebacker, Michael Kamara the defensive end

1540
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 5: for the Hoosiers. These guys are all draft picks, and

1541
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 5: so I think it's been fifty years since Indiana has

1542
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 5: had more than four draft picks in a single year.

1543
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 5: But I think the way that this season is going,

1544
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 5: that's going to happen this year, or it's going to

1545
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 5: happen in April.

1546
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: So call Matthew Lucan, John Dan Brugler, or the author

1547
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,919
Speaker 1: of The Beast. It's coming out here in the spring,

1548
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,759
Speaker 1: and he is with us yere on the Payloffs Sickers

1549
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: Hotline as we take a little bit of the look

1550
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: ahead to that twenty twenty six draft. Dane, I am

1551
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: a very unapologetic Notre Dame fan. Jeremiah Love to me

1552
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: is insane. I mean, it's it's some Reggie Bush vibes.

1553
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: I would add from a draft standpoint. I think the

1554
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: attraction of his durability, of his three down ability, and

1555
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: of his blocking ability would also be something NFL team's covet.

1556
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: How high is you know, legit talk when you're talking

1557
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: about a running back in Jeremiah Love coming up in

1558
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

1559
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 5: It's the same conversation you know, we had with Ashton

1560
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 5: Gent last year or Jon Robinson when he came out.

1561
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's you can't paint with a

1562
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 5: broad brush, you know, drafting a running back in the

1563
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 5: top ten, top fifteen, it doesn't make sense for every team.

1564
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 5: You know, some teams in terms of their timeline of

1565
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 5: their roster, dropping a running back in doesn't really mesh

1566
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 5: with where they are as a team. And I think

1567
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 5: we're seeing that right now with the rate, the offensive line,

1568
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 5: the way things are the passing game. Ashton Gent is

1569
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,839
Speaker 5: a really good player, but he's kind of being wasted

1570
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 5: in that offense in Vegas, and so now is the

1571
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 5: opposite with Atlanta. He dropped jonn Robinson in there, and

1572
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 5: he's a top three back in the NFL. So with

1573
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 5: Jeremiah Love, there's no doubt he's one of the top

1574
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 5: ten players prospects in this draft, but figuring out exactly

1575
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 5: where he's going to land will be a little bit

1576
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 5: more interesting. He's so electric with the ball in his hand.

1577
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 5: He has that uncanny balance where he can stay afloat,

1578
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 5: you know, he absorbs contact well, he's kind of got

1579
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 5: a linear frame, but he's so explosive and I've been impressed.

1580
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 5: My one big knock on him coming into the year

1581
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 5: was just.

1582
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 6: The lack of patience.

1583
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 5: He was a foot on the pedal, go go go,

1584
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 5: and that helped him be productive, but there are times

1585
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 5: where he would run into his own blockers or not

1586
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 5: allow the blocking scheme to set up some of those holes.

1587
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 5: This year, he's doing the much better job of that.

1588
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 5: And so the production is there, especially the touchdown production.

1589
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 5: I mean he's going to have you know, almost or

1590
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 5: over thirty touchdowns the last two years alone. And I

1591
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 5: think you hit on the the versatility. That's key because

1592
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 5: you can line them up in the slot, you can

1593
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 5: keep him in the backfield, and he can pass protect.

1594
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 5: So you could just do so many things with a

1595
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 5: weapon like that. And so I think some teams are

1596
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 5: going to look at it. This isn't the strongest draft

1597
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 5: at the top and they're going to look at Jeremiah

1598
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 5: Love is like, Okay, this is the most explosive player

1599
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 5: in the draft. And even though we don't love the

1600
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 5: idea of drafting a running back in the top ten,

1601
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 5: we can hold our head high that we're coming away

1602
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 5: with the most explosive player in the draft. Someone's going

1603
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 5: to help our offense from day one. And you know,

1604
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 5: whether that's the New York Giants or Evenoles are at

1605
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 5: the Texans could use this. So it'll be interesting with Love.

1606
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 5: The debate will rage on between now and April about

1607
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 5: how early you should draft the running back, but there's

1608
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. Love is one of the top

1609
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 5: ten prospects in this class.

1610
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 2: Last one I got for you, Down and I'm looking

1611
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: at one of your latest big boards, and I want

1612
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: to say this is probably about a week ago. You

1613
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: have Caleb Down's third overall. And for those listening, he

1614
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 2: is the younger brother of Josh Downs, the Colts wide

1615
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: receiver who was taken in the third round a couple

1616
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: of years ago. How special of a safety is he

1617
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: Because normally, when I look at these lists today and

1618
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert by any means, I don't watch

1619
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 2: tape as much as you do by any means, But

1620
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: safeties usually aren't ranked this high by you or anybody else.

1621
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 4: What makes them different.

1622
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 5: He's so football smart, and you combine that with a

1623
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 5: really good athlete, the toughness is off the charts. And yeah,

1624
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 5: I mean he's the youngest in the family and you

1625
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 5: know he's got an NFL that obviously, I think, you know,

1626
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 5: Colts fans are familiar with the Downs family, you know,

1627
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 5: I think that toughness was developed by growing up in

1628
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,480
Speaker 5: that family. The athleticism, you know, growing up in Georgia

1629
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 5: where it's you know, very football rich, a lot of athletes.

1630
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 5: But he's been training for this for a long long time.

1631
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 5: And I think that even Josh has kind of admitted

1632
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 5: in the past that Caleb was always the best athlete

1633
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 5: in the family. And he also has a little bit

1634
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 5: better size than Josh does. And with Caleb, it'll be

1635
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 5: you know, we just talked about it with running back

1636
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 5: and how early do you draft a running back. It'll

1637
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 5: be the same thing with safety and Caleb Downs. The

1638
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 5: NFL has told us they don't draft safety is very high,

1639
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 5: at least in the top five, top ten, but Caleb

1640
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 5: downs Is. You know, he's not an edd read where

1641
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 5: you play him single high and he's going to play

1642
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 5: both sidelines. But he's more versatile where you can play

1643
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 5: him in the nickel, you can play him as a robber,

1644
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 5: you can play him in the post, you can do

1645
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 5: all these different things with him. He's so smart. He

1646
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 5: understands football geometry. But he also has the athleticism too.

1647
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 5: So I think at the end of the day, he

1648
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 5: won't go top five, but I think maybe top ten.

1649
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 5: He has a really good chance to do that. And

1650
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 5: he'll be the first safety to be drafted that high

1651
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 5: in a decade, So that says a lot about him

1652
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 5: as an athlete and a player.

1653
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: I had to hold back on the CJ. Car twenty

1654
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: twenty eight mock draft questions for the Colts here. Maybe

1655
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: save that for the combine when we bug Dan Brugler again. Dan,

1656
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: your stuff is second to none.

1657
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: Man.

1658
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: We really appreciate the time and enjoy breaking down the

1659
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: film here as we get into the playoff season.

1660
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 5: All right, I'll see an Indian a few months.

1661
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: That is a great Dan Brugler right there on the

1662
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: pay Less Liquors hotline. Rick Carlisle in fifteen, James Boyd

1663
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 1: says he's got some Colts numbers.

1664
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 4: Yes, the other way.

1665
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 1: We'll do that next and Mark, we'll update us on

1666
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 1: the kicker pull. Michael Badgley or Matt Gay. Who do

1667
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: you want kicking for the Colts? It's time to call

1668
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: your ex at home with the Hornets. Who is a

1669
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: team well outside of the playoff picture? Right now? James Boyd,

1670
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,480
Speaker 1: you have teased us with some Colts numbers.

1671
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 4: Yes, what do you got? All right?

1672
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna just throw out a couple of them.

1673
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 4: One of them is six hundred and seventeen. Give me

1674
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 4: a guess. Would you think that number relates to.

1675
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren's receiving yards.

1676
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren's receiving yards, which, by the way, great guess, Kevin,

1677
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 2: right off the bat, is more yards combined then the

1678
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: Colts tight end had tight end had all of last

1679
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: season together. He's already cleared that mark by himself. He

1680
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 2: has six hundred and seventeen receiving yards this year. Last year,

1681
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: the Colts tight ends combined have four hundred sixty seven.

1682
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: So he's gonna double it. Isn't that something that's probably

1683
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: more than a lot of recent seasons with Colts tight ends,

1684
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: does it not.

1685
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 4: It actually wasn't the year before.

1686
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three they had about like eight hundred,

1687
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: which still isn't that great for an entire group of

1688
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: tight ends, but that lets you know how much he

1689
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 2: has changed their fortunes at that position.

1690
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we might be underrating what Warren is

1691
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,440
Speaker 1: meant to this team. I don't know if it's underrating.

1692
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: It's just that so many guys deserve some love, right right, Yeah,

1693
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: that's probably the better way to put it.

1694
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 4: And I think we've done may have certainly given him

1695
01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 4: as flyw right.

1696
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there're that like I raise my hand when

1697
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't feel like we've done enough of you know,

1698
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: the warrant thing. I do think we've probably you know

1699
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: whatever hyped up enough. But I mean, like simply you

1700
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 1: lose it. You lose the game in Germany with that

1701
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: warn like point blank period, the Colts tight ends are

1702
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: not making that fourth and due catch, and they're not

1703
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: making the catch then in overtime.

1704
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 4: The other number I have for you twenty two point seven.

1705
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna give out your cell phone

1706
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: number and be like, hey, X call me up.

1707
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, I don't want to go that far.

1708
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: Been thinking during the break like it wasn't always hot lights.

1709
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: See twenty two point seven.

1710
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 4: Points per game for the Colts. Nope, they're in the thirties.

1711
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: Actually the thirty two twenty two point seven, I'm gonna

1712
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: guess it's Pierce's yards per catch.

1713
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: It is not twenty two point seven. He's averaging about

1714
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 2: twenty yards a catch. Twenty two point seven is their

1715
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,520
Speaker 2: blitz percentage this year, which ranks fifteenth.

1716
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 6: In the league.

1717
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 2: Again, middle of the pack, not super high, but last

1718
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,879
Speaker 2: year that number was seventeen point five and they were thirtieth,

1719
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: So Gus Bradley has been but don't break.

1720
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 4: We rarely blitz. That is not the case anymore.

1721
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 2: You're saying more aggressive Colts defense thanks to lou Anarumo,

1722
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,799
Speaker 2: and my question going forward, which I wrote my story today,

1723
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: is how aggressive can you be moving forward with the

1724
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: addition of Chaveria's ward, but the subtraction of to Forest Buckner.

1725
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, you don't have to worry Colts fans about

1726
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: your defense not being aggressive because they've proven at this

1727
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 2: point in the year that they can be aggressive at times.

1728
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 2: And I would argue that leu Anarumo is more timely

1729
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 2: with his blitzes than other coordinators in the league, because

1730
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 2: you saw it over there in Berlin. They didn't blitz

1731
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 2: a ton, but the timeliness was great because as we

1732
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: saw with cam Binham, he came on.

1733
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: A blitz, got a strip sack. So the guy is cooking.

1734
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: I think one thing we can get into maybe in

1735
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: the nine o'clock hour, certainly more tomorrow James is again

1736
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: lou An Rumo against Patrick Mahomes. You know he's had

1737
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: this history against them where you know, the bad scientists

1738
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: and all of that. There is kind of a common

1739
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 1: theme in the games that Anna Rumo's Bengals had success

1740
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 1: against Mahomes's Chiefs, and and it'll be interesting to see

1741
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: how much that applies to Sunday and just how much

1742
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: of a key ingredient that is to the Colts getting

1743
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: it done. That is the math. Was there James Boyd

1744
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: throwing some numbers at US, Mark Dyton on the ones

1745
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: and twos. I'm Kevin Bowen hopefully Jeff back tomorrow. On

1746
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: the other side. It will be PACER's head coach Rick

1747
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 1: Carlisle joins US now nine o'clock here on a Tuesday.

1748
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle scheduled to join us. Obviously, the late travels

1749
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: back last night up there in Detroit. The Pacers will

1750
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: be back at home coming up tomorrow against Charlotte. Brandon Miller, right,

1751
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: is he back yet? Banged up for a while, isn't he?

1752
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure.

1753
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 6: Shoulder three.

1754
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: I think for him he was h They've had a

1755
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: couple of rookies that have had to step up for

1756
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: them big time. So again, the Pace will be back

1757
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: at home tomorrow at Cleveland on Friday, as they around

1758
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,879
Speaker 1: out the week. Let's head of paye us Lookers hotline

1759
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: right now. We appreciate his time after a late one

1760
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: last night. He is the head coach of the Pacers.

1761
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: He is Rick Carlisle coach. Good morning to you. How

1762
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: are you?

1763
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 6: I'm okay, let's get to I guess.

1764
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 1: I'll start with last night. Obviously, the return of Benedict

1765
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: Matherin probably a tailor of two has there, you know,

1766
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: both teams down some key personnel. Uh. Ultimately, what do

1767
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: you point to is kind of the whole being, you know,

1768
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: too big to dig out of. Despite Matheren's efforts there

1769
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: in the third and fourth.

1770
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, we've had struggles really on both sides

1771
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 6: of the ball. That said, you know, in looking at

1772
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 6: the stats and looking at the overall picture, we got

1773
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 6: to look for positives. Positives were you know, we out

1774
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 6: rebounded him for the game towards the great rebounding team,

1775
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 6: like we end up out reinvining him by a couple

1776
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 6: and then, uh, you know, we won the second half

1777
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 6: by a point, and you know Ben's return and getting

1778
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 6: into a rhythm, particularly in the fourth quarter was a

1779
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 6: big part of that. And uh, you know, things are

1780
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 6: things are rough right now, but the guys had a

1781
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 6: good spirit last night. We didn't play well, but we

1782
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 6: hung together and we got to keep doing that.

1783
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: When you mentioned the struggles on both ends right now,

1784
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: do you see one side of the floor contributing more

1785
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: to the others struggles? You know, his defense leading to

1786
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: the poor shooting numbers we see vice versa. Has some

1787
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: of the poor shooting led to the defensive struggles or

1788
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: do you think it's pretty balanced?

1789
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 6: I you know, it's probably a little more tipped one

1790
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 6: way than the other. But it's it's been been both

1791
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 6: sides of the ball. That's it's been tough. But look,

1792
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 6: there's a lot of a lot of excuses that can

1793
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 6: be made. We've gotta we've got to ignore circumstance and

1794
01:23:58,560 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 6: just work at doing better.

1795
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 2: Rick, You've talked about that a lot throughout your career,

1796
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 2: not making this usees ignoring circumstances. So what is that

1797
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 2: balance like when the reality is, Okay, we don't have

1798
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: our normal rotation of guys, but we saw games to

1799
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 2: play and ultimately want to win.

1800
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it comes down to, you know, where your

1801
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 6: focus is. Our focus has got to be very much

1802
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 6: on what's happening right now and what's about to happen

1803
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 6: next when it comes to games. You know, in the

1804
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 6: in the Toronto game, one of the things that was

1805
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 6: I thought difficult about that game was we had a

1806
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 6: very good start. I mean, we're up ten halfway through

1807
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 6: the first quarter, and then we allowed the lead to

1808
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:53,600
Speaker 6: go away with some controllable things, unforced turnovers, some decisions

1809
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 6: that needed to be better, et cetera, et cetera. And

1810
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 6: you know, right now, you know we're we're trying to

1811
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 6: get back on the on the winning side of things.

1812
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 6: A big, a big part of being successful in the

1813
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 6: NBA is good starts. And you know, finding a way

1814
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 6: to win the first quarter.

1815
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: Uh.

1816
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 6: You know, the stats will tell you that the best

1817
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,440
Speaker 6: way to win an NBA game is to be ahead

1818
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 6: the head going into the fourth quarter, and the best

1819
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 6: way to do that is to win the first quarter.

1820
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 6: The NBA is much more of a first quarter league

1821
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 6: than a fourth quarter league. I mean, the statistics just

1822
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 6: say that. So, look, start's got to be better overall.

1823
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 6: Players got to be better. Defense has got to be tighter,

1824
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 6: communication has got to be has got to be really good,

1825
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 6: and you know then we've got to get the ball

1826
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 6: in the.

1827
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 4: Hole great to follow up.

1828
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 2: Defensively, there's been some slippage there for your team, And

1829
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: often I've been there in the media where it's like, oh,

1830
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 2: they haven't tried hard enough, where's the effort? And I

1831
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: feel like effort is always distributed to defense, but not offense.

1832
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 2: There are some tactical things. So what things do you

1833
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 2: look at defensively for your ball club to say, here's

1834
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: what we can be better to get stops here.

1835
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 6: Well, they answer to that is transition defense. And we

1836
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 6: gave up a ton of transition points against Toronto. We

1837
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 6: made some adjustments for the Detroit game. We did better

1838
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 6: against Detroit. Well, look it. You know your defense starts

1839
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 6: with the shot that you take, and you know your

1840
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:40,919
Speaker 6: your assault on the offensive boards. And it's very important

1841
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 6: that everybody is doing exactly what they're supposed to do.

1842
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 6: If you're supposed to crash, crash, and if you're supposed

1843
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 6: to be back, be back. And so you know we've

1844
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 6: we've tried to clean things up there and then you

1845
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 6: know the first three steps back in transition. I think

1846
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 6: the stats will tell pretty much any NBA team that

1847
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 6: they're going to do better defensively when they're guarding a

1848
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 6: team in the half court rather than in transition. So

1849
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 6: the huge chunk of points we gave up in the

1850
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 6: first eight seconds against Toronto is an area where we're

1851
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 6: focusing heavily and we got to do better.

1852
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: It's a voice of Rick Carlisle. He's with us here

1853
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: on the payloss, slickers, hotline, pacers, hornets, back inside of

1854
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 1: Gamebridge Field House coming up tomorrow night, Coach. Some of

1855
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: the shooting numbers are pretty historic, obviously not in the

1856
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: positive light there. Do you feel like the do you

1857
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 1: fe like the the the equality of the looks has

1858
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: matched the poor shooting numbers.

1859
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 6: At times. At times we've had some very good looks

1860
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 6: at haven't gone down and in most cases, you know,

1861
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 6: we need to try to get better shots. And so

1862
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 6: you know, as you as you mentioned early on here,

1863
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 6: the you know, the the effect that defense has on

1864
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:14,879
Speaker 6: offenses is very important and vice versa. So yeah, it's

1865
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 6: it's a it's a tough stretch and we just gotta

1866
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 6: we just gotta work work at improving and just simply

1867
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 6: be better.

1868
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Well, a few guys that has been healthy for you

1869
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: here to start the season has been Jaris Walker. You

1870
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: use the word force quite often with him in our

1871
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: off season conversations in that department, I guess the the

1872
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: forced department. What have you seen from Jaris here this season?

1873
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 6: Well, this is a this is an amazing opportunity for

1874
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 6: him right now, you know, the chance to you know,

1875
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 6: he's had a significant stretch of games that he started,

1876
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 6: you know, when he hasn't started, you know, sometimes it's

1877
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 6: been through the matchup or matchup stuff or whatever. But

1878
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 6: he's he gets in the game quickly and as a

1879
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 6: as a lot of leash. You know. So what we

1880
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 6: need to see there is hard running, rebounding defense. You know,

1881
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 6: simple decisions on offense and make the simple play. You know,

1882
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 6: it's yeah. I think the Toronto game was was a

1883
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 6: good example of I think what he's naturally good at

1884
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 6: is rebounding. I think he had eight or nine rebounds

1885
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 6: in the Toronto game. He's done some good things with

1886
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 6: attacking the paint, attacking space. We know he can pass

1887
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 6: the ball, we know he can shoot the ball. You know,

1888
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 6: right now, when you're undermanned, everybody has more responsibility than

1889
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 6: than they probably should. And as a coaching staff, our

1890
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 6: job is to try to alleviate that as best we can.

1891
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 6: They make sure guys aren't trying too hard to do

1892
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 6: too much and really focus on the simple things. And

1893
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 6: I think with Jaris it starts with defending and rebounding

1894
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 6: and it builds up from there.

1895
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 2: Again, we have Rick Carlile, PACER's head coach, joining us

1896
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 2: on the Payless Liquors hotline. Rick going back to Benedict

1897
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 2: for a second. Here, we know how confident he is

1898
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 2: as a player and what he can do as a scorer.

1899
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 2: How much do you think his shot creation and just

1900
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 2: the ability to get his own look can help alleviate

1901
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 2: some pressure on other guys when it comes to helping

1902
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: the flow of the rest of your offense, because you know,

1903
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 2: if push comes to shove, that's someone who can still

1904
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 2: get you a pretty good look.

1905
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 6: Well we need him, that's pretty clear. And yeah, yeah,

1906
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 6: I mean it's shot creation. It's the way that he

1907
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 6: stretches the floor with his ability to shoot long range.

1908
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 6: I've been I've been very pleased with his shot selection

1909
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 6: in a lot of cases. I mean, he's spacing the

1910
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 6: floor better, he's finding the space on the floor to

1911
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 6: release the shots of the shots that he's very good at.

1912
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 6: And we haven't seen him a whole lot this year.

1913
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:23,839
Speaker 6: I mean, this is only the third game he's played,

1914
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 6: but his awareness of the floor has got better and

1915
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 6: he's passing the ball more effectively all the time. So yeah,

1916
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 6: definitely need more scoring. You know, early in the year,

1917
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 6: in the first couple of games, he was he was

1918
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:40,600
Speaker 6: taking the hard matchups to start games. You know, he

1919
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 6: was guarding SGA and he was he was guarding some

1920
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 6: of the better players. And so as he returns to play,

1921
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 6: we're gonna need him to be a very good player,

1922
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 6: not only offensively, but on the defensive side of the

1923
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 6: ball as well. And you know, when he was drafted

1924
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 6: here he talked about the fact that you know, he

1925
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 6: wanted to be pushed to be great on both sides

1926
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 6: of the ball, and this is this is a great

1927
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 6: opportunity for him to help us, to help his teammates

1928
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 6: and truly work at getting better.

1929
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 2: Last one on Matherin and I have to appreciate his

1930
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: confidence no matter what. Reading a story from Dustin de

1931
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 2: Pierreic this morning, Indie Starr and Matherin said, according to Dustin,

1932
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 2: why can't we win ten games in a row? And

1933
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 2: you know when he says stuff like that, he's dead serious.

1934
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 2: So when you have someone who's as confident as mathering

1935
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 2: how much does that help when times are hard? And

1936
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 2: it has to be sort of this intrinsic motivation from

1937
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 2: players to go out there and play hard even if

1938
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 2: things might look a little bleak, because you know, Mathern

1939
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 2: doesn't care who it is. He's gonna go out there

1940
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 2: and think he can probably win anything.

1941
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 6: Well, I think I just answered this question. We need him,

1942
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 6: we need him back, and we need him and it's

1943
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 6: and it's great to have him back. And you know,

1944
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:02,839
Speaker 6: the return to play stuff is is challenging too, because

1945
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 6: you know a little think a guy that's been out

1946
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 6: for three and a half weeks and thrown throw him

1947
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 6: in there for you know, thirty five or forty minutes.

1948
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 6: The great thing last night was that, and you know,

1949
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 6: the way the game was going, you know, all of

1950
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 6: a sudden, he had four fouls in the third quarter,

1951
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 6: and you know, I left him in because I thought

1952
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 6: it was important, and he tried to get some kind

1953
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 6: of rhythm going. He hit a couple of shots early

1954
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 6: in the fourth as as you guys saw, and did

1955
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 6: get it going. And then you know, at one point

1956
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 6: he's playing pretty early in the fourth quarter, I think,

1957
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 6: with five fouls, you know. And so anyway, right now,

1958
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 6: right now, we've got to focus on little things. We've

1959
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:49,759
Speaker 6: got to look for positives, and the pretty significant positive

1960
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 6: is having him back.

1961
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: Ken Pace's hornets coming up tomorrow night. Just a couple

1962
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: of minutes left here with her, Karla. I appreciate his

1963
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: time and flexibility here on this Tuesday morning, coach. Yesterday

1964
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: we played some Pascal Siakam audio. I believe it was

1965
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: after the game on Saturday night, and you know, I've

1966
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: been rather blown away by his leadership over the last

1967
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: few years. This year, I assume it's a different type

1968
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 1: of leadership, but I thought the words were pretty strong

1969
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: Saturday night and describing the start to this season specifically

1970
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: with Pascal. You know, the numbers are obvious, but maybe

1971
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: what have you seen behind the scenes from a leadership

1972
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: standpoint this year.

1973
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's been great. You know, you can't say enough

1974
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 6: about his approach, and he's been patient, he cares. I mean,

1975
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,520
Speaker 6: there's certainly an element of frustration there and you can

1976
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 6: since that when he talks about how difficult it is

1977
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 6: to have this kind of a start. But yesterday, you know,

1978
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 6: in our prep session in the morning and during the game,

1979
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 6: even when it was really difficult, you know, he was

1980
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 6: staying very positive, very encouraging. And right now we have

1981
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:03,560
Speaker 6: to we have to work being a very well connected

1982
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 6: team even though things are tough, and you know that

1983
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 6: that can be a very difficult task. But he's he's

1984
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 6: a big part of our ability to continue to do

1985
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 6: that even though things are tough.

1986
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: Coachel end of this, you know, you mentioned a few

1987
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: weeks back, you know, about your history in the league,

1988
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: and I think I asked you something along the lines of,

1989
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: you know, have you ever dealt with this type of attrition?

1990
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: Available bodies et cetera, et cetera. And you did reference

1991
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: the brawl, and you've mentioned how the NBA can be,

1992
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, such a humbling league. Have you ever, I guess,

1993
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:38,719
Speaker 1: in your thirty plus years of coaching, been a part

1994
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: of something like this from a whether it's an available

1995
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,720
Speaker 1: bodies or just a general start to the season like

1996
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:44,559
Speaker 1: you've had this year.

1997
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 6: Probably not, Probably not, But you know with with this

1998
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 6: kind of adversity comes opportunity. We got to find the opportunity.

1999
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 6: As I mentioned, we got to continue to find things

2000
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,680
Speaker 6: to be positive about and not kid ourselves about how

2001
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 6: dig we have to how deep we have to dig,

2002
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 6: you know, to have successes. So touch stretch are you know?

2003
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 6: Our fans have been have been great. They've given us

2004
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 6: great support even though it's been difficult, and we're going

2005
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 6: to continue to have to lean on them and lean

2006
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 6: on each other.

2007
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: Back in front of the home fans. Smart night again,

2008
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,679
Speaker 1: Pacers and hornets, seven o'clock tip inside of gamebridge Field House, Coach,

2009
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: I know it was a long night, so we appreciate

2010
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: the time as always.

2011
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,520
Speaker 6: Okay, thanks guy figure.

2012
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle right there, payless slickers hotline. That last kind

2013
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: of quote for me James of the opportunity is there.

2014
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,839
Speaker 1: You know, we probably asked a good amount about Benedict

2015
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Matherin and Jarris Walker. I don't think it's fair to

2016
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: label them together, you know, just because they both were

2017
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: top ten picks. Mathering has done light years more in

2018
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: his NBA career, yeah, for sure than Walker. But the

2019
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: truth is there. Aaron Eismith's not coming back for about

2020
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,719
Speaker 1: a month, so opportunity is there. And whether that's Mathering

2021
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: in a contract here, whether that's Walker showing he is

2022
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: a puzzle piece moving forward despite his really poor start

2023
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: to the season. You know, if you don't want to

2024
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 1: look at the record at all, just look at those

2025
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 1: two dudes and what does it look like? How does

2026
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: it play out? I think that's where you if we

2027
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: can't go team storylines, I just point to those two

2028
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: and again, they're different stories, I want to be clear,

2029
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 1: but they're critical stories to what life with Tyrese Haliburton

2030
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,719
Speaker 1: looks like coming up in twelve months. Yeah.

2031
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 2: I've hammered that a lot this year, and I think

2032
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 2: all of us have, but even more since the losing

2033
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 2: story has started. Because you're looking for some positive, some

2034
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 2: silver linings. It starts with the guys who, ideally, when

2035
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 2: Halliburton is back, will be a part of your new

2036
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 2: core going forward. And on one hand, of Benitict Matherin,

2037
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 2: I'd be very hesitant to move him at the trade

2038
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 2: deadline and move on from him or let him walk,

2039
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, because he is a very

2040
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 2: talented scorer, and I don't care what error we're in,

2041
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 2: what team you're on. In the sport of basketball, guys

2042
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 2: that put the ball through the hoop, which is the

2043
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 2: whole point of the game, are hard to come by

2044
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 2: at that rate. So I think he's done himself, even

2045
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 2: in just three games, enough to kind of give you

2046
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 2: some Okay, you guys better make sure I'm around when

2047
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,879
Speaker 2: this thing gets rolling again. With Halliburton, whereas with Jaris,

2048
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure what the identity of his game is.

2049
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,759
Speaker 2: And that's as nice as I can put it. With Matherin,

2050
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 2: even if my biggest knock on him is, oh, he's

2051
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 2: only a scorer, so what.

2052
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 1: At least he does that at a pretty great rate.

2053
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 2: With Jaris Walker, I'm not looking at any parts of

2054
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 2: his game and I can say he does this great

2055
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 2: and honestly, what I'm really asking for at this point

2056
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 2: is what are you even doing just confidently, whether it's shooting, driving, defending, rebounding,

2057
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 2: what are you doing that looks like you know what

2058
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,599
Speaker 2: you're doing. Because when he's out there, and this isn't

2059
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 2: a knock on Jarris Walker and his talent, it looks

2060
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 2: like he has so much going on in his head,

2061
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 2: like well, should I do this?

2062
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 4: Should I drive?

2063
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 1: Should I pull potato?

2064
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2065
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:19,839
Speaker 2: So I would like to see him be more confident

2066
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 2: in this stretch of the season.

2067
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Rick points

2068
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: to his rebounding, but yeah, it just both ends. I

2069
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: struggled to find like calling cards.

2070
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 4: You know, that's a good Yeah, there is no calling

2071
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 4: card for his game right now.

2072
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,560
Speaker 1: Even when you wanted Alec Pierce to round out the tree,

2073
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,600
Speaker 1: you knew specifically what the one trait he had. And

2074
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, again, some guys in the may get labeled

2075
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: to certain things, and you can make a lot of

2076
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 1: money with a label. Look at the guy last night

2077
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: coming off screens for the Pistons. You think he's made

2078
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 1: some good money for himself and Duncan Robinson. You know,

2079
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, some guys can can get that.

2080
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: But as we talked about yesterday and it probably was

2081
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,560
Speaker 1: quite the poor analogy. So you two obviously had some

2082
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 1: audible reactions when I went Tiger Woods Brothel with Benedict

2083
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 1: Mathern there, But last night you saw it, and I think, Rick,

2084
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: that's the most I've heard from Rick with Matherin, James

2085
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:13,040
Speaker 1: in the we need his scoring. Usually when it comes

2086
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: to Matherin, Rick doesn't go there. Yeah, but like you

2087
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: hear him and it's a little bit of Sanna. We

2088
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: need a scoring buddy. I mean, we need it. We like,

2089
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: that's what we need. And last night, I mean, if

2090
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: you watch the game, you certainly saw it. So and

2091
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: Pacers Hornets coming up tomorrow. We do appreciate that, and Nick,

2092
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 1: thank you for this, Nick reaching out here. Coach Carlisle

2093
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: is the best. The team sucks this year, but he's

2094
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 1: honest about it, and I would agree with that, so

2095
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 1: we do appreciate his time amidst what has been a

2096
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: very very trying season here. All right, Mark Dykton, let's

2097
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: go ahead check it out. All right, James boy, let's

2098
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: cover a little bit of Colt's injury news. Let me

2099
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 1: throw three names at you and you provide the snippet

2100
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,560
Speaker 1: for us. If you don't mind Shaverius Ward, your expectation

2101
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: is what.

2102
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:06,759
Speaker 4: For this week?

2103
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 2: He will be practicing and playing Sunday in Kansas City.

2104
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner clarity is still lacking?

2105
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 4: Is that fair to say yes? At this point, I'm like,

2106
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 4: will he be back this year?

2107
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 1: Is my question? Okay? And then Anthony Richardson Senior, he also,

2108
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 1: like Chaverius Ward, is eligible to practice tomorrow.

2109
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 2: And again, like the Forest Buckner, I'm asking myself will

2110
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 2: he be back this year?

2111
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 1: Again? Colts back to practice tomorrow? They are a three

2112
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 1: point underdog. This will be Nanson Romo Chiefs Colts one

2113
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,640
Speaker 1: o'clock on Sunday. That will be the broadcast crew for

2114
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: that one. They did do Colts Chiefs back in twenty

2115
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: twenty three. And yes, the wildest Patrick Mahomes stat of all,

2116
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: the only team he has yet to beat in the

2117
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: regular season of his NFL career, That would be the

2118
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Can you guys name the two quarterbacks that

2119
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: beat Patrick Mahomes a Colts uniform?

2120
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 4: Matt Ryan was one of them.

2121
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,080
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan Gardner Minshew's Mahomes' is backup right now, isn't

2122
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: he huh, it is not Gardner, Minshew?

2123
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 6: Was it?

2124
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 4: Carson Wentz?

2125
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: Not Carson Wentz. I'm not Jacoby and Matt Ryan. Those

2126
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: are some names, now, how about that?

2127
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 3: For some it's another stat you bring to the Thanksgiving

2128
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 3: table last week.

2129
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: Uncle Tad's gonna think, boy, they a smart little nephew

2130
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 1: right here, Mark Dykon, give me a pat on the heads,

2131
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,720
Speaker 1: slit me a dollar. Hey, well you go, you know,

2132
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 1: give me a second slice of pumpkin pie here. Last

2133
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 1: night Monday Night Football, it was the Cowboys all over

2134
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 1: the Raiders there, Dak Prescott four touchdowns, George Pickens showing

2135
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 1: once again he is very talented and probably equally is

2136
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 1: frustrating as well as him and Ceedee Lamb had to

2137
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: sit out that opening series there Texans and Bill's coming

2138
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:55,799
Speaker 1: up Thursday Night Football. That is a big one for

2139
01:42:56,479 --> 01:43:00,600
Speaker 1: the Colts as it is in relation to the Houston Tech's.

2140
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 1: The Great Evan Cheryl from Cluster Truck is in the

2141
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: building here, Evan CT Fan CT dash Fant CT Fan.

2142
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,360
Speaker 1: That is five dollars off your order of twenty five

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Speaker 1: or more. And I could not endorse this more. The

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01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,680
Speaker 1: tailgate special. We got a cold home game coming up

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01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 1: next Sunday. But I don't care. If you got a

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01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: gathering for Colts Chiefs this weekend twenty nine to ninety nine,

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01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 1: you're getting two large pizzas and two pounds of chicken tenders.

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01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely excellent and it's great with kids. I cannot endorse

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01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: that as well. The chicken tenders, Mark Dyton, My crew

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01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: loves it. My kids too, they love it as well.

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01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: Dipping sauce options loved it. Church trip and that was

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01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 1: a tough one over the weekend for Coach you and company.

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01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 4: But shout out Evan Cheryl, best smelling human being ever.

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01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 1: He does, he does, man does he does. And the

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01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: only other thing that smells is beautifully That is Jeff's

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01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: beef and broccoli. So hopefully Jeff will be back coming

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01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 1: up tomorrow. Only other items I've got here around the NFL, Unfortunately,

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01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:58,719
Speaker 1: news that I don't love, and that is a season

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01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: any injury to some local guys. Juju Brent's a foot injury,

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01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix Junior a knee injury, and James. I think

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01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 1: it's also worth pointing out with both those guys, I

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01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 1: get they were drafted differently. Juju, of course not by

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01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 1: that team, but those are two coaches squarely on the

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01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 1: hot seat, so you know, Pennix, it probably applies to more.

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01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: Granted he was a top ten pick, but just curious

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01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: what his future will be there in Atlanta if ra

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01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: him Morris is let go.

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01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 2: That's a great question, and a lot of it has

2169
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 2: to do with just the health to Michael Pennicks. Ultimately,

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01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 2: you can't tie your future to a guy who's going

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01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 2: to go undergo his what his third major knee surgery,

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01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 2: I would think, because yeah, he's had two previous ACL tears.

2173
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if it's the same knee, but regardless,

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Speaker 2: we know this sport is very brutal on your body,

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01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 2: and to already be what is he twenty six? You

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01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 2: can't tie your future to that. So things are very influx,

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01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,959
Speaker 2: I would think in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: From another local tie new news items standpoint in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Matt Gay was cut yesterday by the Washington Commanders. It's

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01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 1: pretty much been the same season as he had last

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01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: year here. He's for the most part made everything inside

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Speaker 1: of fifty yards, but he was four of nine from

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Speaker 1: north to fifty miss two of them in Madrid on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: for the commanders. Our poll earlier in the show, who

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Speaker 1: do you want kicking for the Colts moving forward? Michael

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01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: Badgley or Matt Gay, Mark Dyden or the Colts calling

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01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,400
Speaker 1: their X not according to what fans won, sixty five

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Speaker 1: percent say. Now, I'm a little surprised it's that close, though,

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01:45:36,479 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 1: you think that's close. Sixty five to thirty five is

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Speaker 1: not that crazy. I thought it was gonna be eighty twenty.

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Speaker 1: People hated Matt Gay because money I made.

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Speaker 3: You threw it out there. You're like, oh, it's not

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Speaker 3: so bad. I'm like, you didn't have to field the calls.

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Speaker 3: I was on the other end, and get it, you

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01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 3: was in the field. I was answering the phone. Then

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Speaker 3: you would have thought I was Matt Gay.

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Speaker 1: At times, both guys say, north of fifty yarders, Matt

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Speaker 1: Gay makes extra points? Been there done that? Do you

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Speaker 1: not want to make extra points? I would like to

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Speaker 1: make extra points, But there's also more kickers than just

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Speaker 1: Matt Gay that can do that.

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Speaker 3: Justin Tucker Well, I wouldn't go down that road. That

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01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 3: sounds like a pr nightmare. I don't think the RSA

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01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 3: daughters are doing that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree on that I would certainly be

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01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 1: a pr nightmare and a lot of work for you, boy.

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Speaker 4: So I'll veat all that.

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Speaker 1: One tonight college football playoff Pull eight thirty, it'll be announced.

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Speaker 1: You've got the Champions Classic sandwiching that tonight on ESPN.

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01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 1: I believe it's Michigan State Kentucky the first game, and

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01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 1: then Kansas Duke the second game. James Boyd to the

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01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:37,759
Speaker 1: NBA Draft music right for that second game.

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Speaker 2: Mark if you have the sound, get it ready, sure,

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01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 2: Cameron Boozer, and you got Darren Peterson too.

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01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Peterson a little banged up. I think watch that. I

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01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: think a hamstring injury if I'm not mistaken for him,

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01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, Boozer went off that's against Indiana State here

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01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 1: last week.

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01:46:57,080 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 2: Yes, he's certainly looked like someone who will not be

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Speaker 2: playing Colls basketball very long.

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Speaker 1: All right. On the other side, we've got some Fernando

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01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: Mendoza Heisman hype. Will hit on that and much more

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Speaker 1: to get to here at all right, Rick Carlisle, that'll

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Speaker 1: be up on the podcast. We appreciate him joining us

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01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 1: after a late one here last night. This time tomorrow

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01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: will be chatting with Nate Taylor covers the Chiefs used

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01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: to cover the Pacers for the Indianapolis Star.

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01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 3: I'll get that uploaded when I can. If if you've

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Speaker 3: been on line today, Twitter is down, our podcast company

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Speaker 3: is down.

2231
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 1: So cloud Flair. Yes, I don't know what that is.

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01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 1: I've never heard of it, but it's causing issues all

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01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: over and uh yeah, so we'll we'll get the podcasts

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Speaker 1: up when we can, but it might be a little bit. Yeah,

2235
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:46,160
Speaker 1: it seems to be quite the issue here from a

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Speaker 1: internet standpoint on this Tuesday morning. But we'll have Nate

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01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 1: join us here coming up tomorrow to talk Colts and Chiefs.

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01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: Aaron points out here in the chat. Yeah, you think

2239
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: back to those Colts wins over Kansas City Jacoby Brissett

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Speaker 1: and twenty night team. That was a Sunday night football game.

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01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 1: Marlon Mack was outstanding in that game. Colts ran for

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01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: one eighty and then twenty twenty three. That was Matt

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01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:12,680
Speaker 1: Ryan beating them. That was not necessarily a Colts like

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01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 1: run and keep the ball away from Mahomes and company.

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01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: Uh in that one as much there, But really Kansas

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01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 1: City just had several drives that didn't end in points.

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01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 1: And I know that sounds very slim pisss.

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01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 4: Some simplistic slim slim pickens.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're trying to say? Piss stick simplistic? Boy, Gosh,

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Speaker 1: you can tell it was a rough night of sleep,

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01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 1: all right, Nelly when you boy at the Boone household here,

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01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Ne's a nap. Yeah, I was gonna say.

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01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you're trying to say.

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01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 1: After James boy takes a shot with that, I want

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Speaker 1: to respond to James. You want to come over and

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01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 1: be in the bone household here for the next couple

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01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 1: of nights. You know, he's got the similarc ready, he's

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01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: ready to roll. The Chiefs out gained him by sixty. Actually,

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01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: in that twenty twenty three game, all four second half

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01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 1: drives got to Colt territory but only three points. So

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01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, Romo, he goes nuts overall Colts Chiefs or

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01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 1: I should say Chiefs games, but he is right in

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01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,360
Speaker 1: the you're holding them to three. Those sorts of drives.

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01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: All mahomes are a huge pick in the red zone

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01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: last week. That was a fatal play that you know

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01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: in a three point game, that's the difference there. So

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01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: storylines for you, James, as you look ahead to Sunday.

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01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 4: One return to Saveria's Ward.

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01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 2: How do you look against his former team if he's

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01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 2: out there, and how much does that enhance your defense?

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Speaker 2: Like we talked about, you really hammered this, Kevin. Does

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01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:38,560
Speaker 2: the return Severia's ward to a degree offset the absence

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Speaker 2: of DeForest Buckner, which I don't think is a one

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01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 2: for one trade at all. I think that the loss

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01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 2: of the Forest Buden is even bigger than return of

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Speaker 2: Chaverius Award.

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Speaker 4: But if you got to.

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01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 2: Pick one or the other, or you can't pick both,

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01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 2: you would still welcome Mooney war back with open arms,

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01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 2: for sure.

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Speaker 4: That's one.

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Speaker 1: The other one, Kevin from the Colts offensive perspective is

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01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: can your offensive line be more formidable than it's been

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01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 1: in the past couple of games, because we've seen Daniel

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01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 1: Jones be under siege a little bit. Granted, maybe he's

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01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:10,519
Speaker 1: head onto the ball a little bit longer than he

2287
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 1: needs to on some of those plays, but it's not

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01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 1: all on him, just like it's not all the offensive line,

2289
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 1: but there is something there that hasn't.

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01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 4: Worked like I did early in the year.

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01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,719
Speaker 1: Can you get back to that level of okay instead

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01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,600
Speaker 1: of him getting sacked five times, seven times, whatever the

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01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: case may be, it's one or two and you're able

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01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 1: to kind of sustain your drives better and ultimately good points.

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01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 1: You know, when we talked to Nate Taylor tomorrow covers

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01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:33,719
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, so be curious, you know, when the last

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01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 1: time the defcon meter has been this high in his

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01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,759
Speaker 1: coverage of Kansas City. I would guess quite a while.

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01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: One thing Andy Reid did kind of admit to yesterday

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01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,599
Speaker 1: is at times, and again we get in this debate

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01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:48,000
Speaker 1: with Shane's taking quite often, you know, the the balance

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Speaker 1: of play calling and the RPO game has, yeah, you know,

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01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of confused some things of like maybe the numbers

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01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 1: indicate that it's an RPO, but you don't run it

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01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: as much as people would like for you to run

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01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 1: the football. And Andy Reid said, yeah, I probably should

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01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 1: call a few more of the kind of hard runs

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01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: is what he labeled them as. And again that's a

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01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 1: debate We've had a lot with Jonathan Taylor and Chane

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01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:14,640
Speaker 1: Siken of it seemed like at times Denver granted their

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01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,240
Speaker 1: defense is a different animal, but they were giving Kansas

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01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 1: City numbers had indicated pass believing that their pass rush

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01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 1: was you know going to win, and quite often they did.

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01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:29,839
Speaker 1: Can the Colts offer that same recipe without the Forest Buckner? Now, granted,

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01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,719
Speaker 1: you've got reinforcements in the secondary that should put you atop,

2316
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, really any other secondary in the league. So

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01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 1: I think that'll be something also to keep an eye

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01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 1: on as well. I still can't believe this Tony Eat

2319
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 1: stat from last night. The Colts had gone twenty one

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01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:45,879
Speaker 1: excuse me, the Pacers had gone twenty one straight quarters

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01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: without winning it. Yeah, they won the fourth quarter last night.

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01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: In that game, they lost the first, second, and third,

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01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:59,200
Speaker 1: and they had lost the previous twenty one quarters before

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01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: that fourth quarter.

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Speaker 4: That's gotta be a record for all the wrong reasons.

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01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: For all you kind of had to tuck.

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01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:09,800
Speaker 2: A little bit under my breath when you were talking

2328
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 2: to Rick and you go, yeah, you know, shooting historically

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01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 2: not in the most positive light only, Yeah, it's historically bad.

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01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean their numbers right now shooting wise, are

2331
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:24,920
Speaker 1: historically bad. Exactly. Again, they've lost six straight by at

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01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 1: least fifteen points. That is a franchise record. I think

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01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 1: it is nearing an NBA record now. Tomorrow night against

2334
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 1: Charlotte with Brandon Miller's injury situation. I do think LaMelo

2335
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 1: ball is playing for them, but like that's an opportunity

2336
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 1: that you definitely have a chance to, yeah more than

2337
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:44,200
Speaker 1: compete and win the game. Then you have Washington up

2338
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 1: coming to I mean that's one that again, if you

2339
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: look at the standings, you got to get that win.

2340
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Speaker 1: So this PACER's playback presented by Ce and Jay Water,

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01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 1: the official water treatment partner of the Indiana Pacers, c

2342
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:59,760
Speaker 1: injwater dot com. Did you guys watch the Fernando Mendoza

2343
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:02,679
Speaker 1: heisman video that Indiana released yesterday?

2344
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 4: Yes, and I enjoyed it.

2345
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 2: I thought it was a nice way to use his

2346
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 2: name sort of for the campaign, and it kind of

2347
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 2: fit with I guess who he kind of is too,

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01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:16,120
Speaker 2: It wasn't. I thought it was kind of like a

2349
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 2: little nerdy, a little fun in a way.

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01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 4: So I enjoyed it.

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01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:23,959
Speaker 1: And they went with the Google LinkedIn theme. Yeah, basically

2352
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:29,640
Speaker 1: they sprinkled in Mendoza football highlights of course with his

2353
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,320
Speaker 1: you know passions off the field and by any count

2354
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 1: he's he He says he loves LinkedIn and he has

2355
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 1: raised him and his brother raised a lot of money

2356
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: for MS which is something that their mom is is

2357
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: dealing with just a horrific disease, so you know that

2358
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 1: is something that they have done, you know, been pretty

2359
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 1: outspoken about there. His brother is the backup quarterback for Indiana.

2360
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: For those that have not totally followed, he did say

2361
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was his football idol. So that's probably about

2362
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 1: the only thing that's gonna knock him here in the

2363
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 1: state of Indiana. But just so much joy, so much period,

2364
01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:03,280
Speaker 1: and hearing him talk about his mom I thought was

2365
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:06,480
Speaker 1: really really cool. You can tell that his family, specifically

2366
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:11,799
Speaker 1: his mother, means a ton to him. Boy, he's just wired.

2367
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 1: It almost seems like he's a robot with like all

2368
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 1: the comments he makes. It's like, yeah, this dude has

2369
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,600
Speaker 1: never made a mistake in his life outside of an

2370
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 1: occasional interception.

2371
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:21,880
Speaker 4: Not a bad life to be living.

2372
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:23,400
Speaker 1: Where does LinkedIn rink it for you?

2373
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:23,759
Speaker 6: Guys?

2374
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 3: You go on it regularly, There's people I see that

2375
01:54:27,240 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I'll get like notifications like oh

2376
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 3: anniversary you can I'm like, I don't check LinkedIn work.

2377
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 1: Real jobs, you know, like this and isn't it isn't

2378
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 1: real job? Well, so like I think if we got

2379
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 1: fired and we had to work a real job. Then

2380
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 1: we'd be more plugged into LinkedIn.

2381
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 3: I play that Elie de la Cruz line, that that

2382
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 3: Jeff drop. I might be having update my LinkedIn.

2383
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 2: I keep doing it, well, I usually will do, and

2384
01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 2: I've done this for years where it's like I'll post

2385
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 2: the story to Twitter, copy paste of Facebook, saw mom,

2386
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 2: Mom's friends can see that I'm alive and well, copy

2387
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 2: paste of LinkedIn, so I look kind of professional. But

2388
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:09,200
Speaker 2: even then, my profile picture on Twitter, which is me

2389
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 2: on a hockey sled, is the same one I put

2390
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 2: on LinkedIn because I was like, you know what, me

2391
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 2: and just the tie and all that, that's fake, James,

2392
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 2: I gotta be real. So the LinkedIn is on there,

2393
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 2: and yeah, I probably have a bunch of notifications haven't checked.

2394
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 4: And to me, it's like the worst of the.

2395
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 2: Social media apps because whenever I do get on there

2396
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 2: and i'll scroll for a little bit, there's it never failed.

2397
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 2: There's somebody who's posting some long thing about work life

2398
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 2: balance or you know, how to get extra money or

2399
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:42,160
Speaker 2: how to prioritize certain things, and it is the fakest

2400
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 2: thing I've ever read in my life. And I'm just like,

2401
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 2: you know what, No, I don't want to subject myself

2402
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 2: to this.

2403
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is one of the Again I

2404
01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 1: say it in all seriousness.

2405
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 2: I feel like I went to work today and I

2406
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 2: was tired, but I got a coffee and I had

2407
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 2: an epiphany in that moment that you know what, if

2408
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 2: you just keep.

2409
01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:58,880
Speaker 1: Pushing, you can elevate your career. Here's five steps on

2410
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,240
Speaker 1: how to change your life. And it's like, I don't

2411
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,160
Speaker 1: want to see this garbage. Yeah, I think like some

2412
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 1: people that have again, real jobs, they do spend more

2413
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 1: time on it than us. I mean, it's just an

2414
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 1: easier way to network, and yeah, it is probably transitioned

2415
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:13,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more to that. I I think I

2416
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,680
Speaker 1: posted like a Rick Carlile clip a few weeks ago

2417
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: because I don't know about you guys, but I would

2418
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:20,880
Speaker 1: say the thing that people are most curious about with

2419
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 1: our show, or when I see people in public, they

2420
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,640
Speaker 1: do ask about the Carlisle interviews. I would say that's

2421
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,480
Speaker 1: the most popular thing people ask about. And so I

2422
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 1: feel like that audience. You know, Rick has a name

2423
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 1: here that's been alive in this market for two decades,

2424
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: and so for older people out there, which you know.

2425
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 1: I guess there are some people on LinkedIn that you know,

2426
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 1: might be a little bit older. They probably are like,

2427
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: oh wow, I didn't realize that show is Rick Carlisle on.

2428
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I should click on it. So I don't know.

2429
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:51,360
Speaker 2: No, the best content I've seen on LinkedIn recently was

2430
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen in a bacon costume.

2431
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 4: That's what I want to see on LinkedIn. That's real.

2432
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 1: I gotta wear my turkey hat. Next week, mark, So

2433
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 1: we are a show next Winnesday? Is that right? But

2434
01:57:01,120 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: not next Friday?

2435
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 4: Correct? Or next Thursday? We have one next Thursday.

2436
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 8: No.

2437
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 4: I was about to say, hold on, I'm not showing

2438
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 4: up a second. I got to be able to give

2439
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 4: me a meal.

2440
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 1: I thought Thursday was the given. So yeah, yeah, out, yeah,

2441
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,080
Speaker 1: you go right ahead, and the key card will work.

2442
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 2: How do we do the breakdown for food? Is this

2443
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 2: like you're going somewhere else? Does the wife cook at

2444
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 2: your wife? I not cooking, just cook the baby, but

2445
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:30,560
Speaker 2: you know she definitely cooked the baby. Yeah, about nine

2446
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 2: months of it there.

2447
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we're we're fortunate to that family in town,

2448
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,400
Speaker 1: so we'll head to uh actually, we'll do my family's

2449
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:40,960
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving this Saturday and then do my inlaws coming up? Actually,

2450
01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:43,240
Speaker 1: I assume you two traveling across the border. Yep, going

2451
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 1: to my parents' house and my sister in law's house

2452
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:46,000
Speaker 1: in Cedar Lake.

2453
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll probably go into my grandma slash aunt's house.

2454
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 2: They live together, and my aunt is a sous chef

2455
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 2: and she's been a sous chef for I don't know

2456
01:57:54,240 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 2: thirty years, so she can throw down comes this time

2457
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:57,040
Speaker 2: of the year.

2458
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I feel like the Cults have had

2459
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:03,720
Speaker 1: a home game every single Thanksgiving Sunday. I swear it's

2460
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 1: like a guaranteed col home game. I'll take it, which

2461
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: means Lucas Oil Stadium is very busy. This is a

2462
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 1: state final Friday, State Final Saturday into Lucas Oil Stadium

2463
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 1: on a Sunday. All right, let's do it one final

2464
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 1: time here. This is the fan Morning show here on

2465
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. Well, thanks for spending this Tuesday with us,

2466
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen, James Voyd, and Mark Dyton. Hopefully lo have

2467
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 1: Jeff back in the saddle with us tomorrow. Really enjoyed

2468
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 1: the Dane Brugler combo earlier NFL Draft analyst. I believe

2469
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 1: he gave a label of a top one hundred pick

2470
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:40,480
Speaker 1: for Omark Cooper Junior. That's a guy that I think

2471
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: will have a nice NFL career. I think there is

2472
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 1: some elite athleticism, yard after catchability to his game. And

2473
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, I said this before about Elijah Surat James,

2474
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 1: I get to Michael Pittman Junior vibes to him. You know,

2475
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:57,200
Speaker 1: might not be like the freakish testing app like Cooper

2476
01:58:57,200 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 1: will probably test better than Sarat. I guess kind of

2477
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,480
Speaker 1: compare the two. But you just throw the ball to

2478
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:08,640
Speaker 1: Surat and fifty to fifty becomes seventy thirty, eighty twenty. Yeah,

2479
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 1: and it's hard to explain why, but there's just a

2480
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 1: there's just a strong moment of truth aspect to his game.

2481
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:18,800
Speaker 1: You know, Puku Nakua has that quite well. You know,

2482
01:59:18,840 --> 01:59:21,040
Speaker 1: Puka didn't test well and what was drafted in the

2483
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 1: fourth round, fifth round, whatever he was, and they just

2484
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: some guys had that aspect to it and it makes

2485
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 1: up for maybe not the combine traits that NFL guys

2486
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 1: salivate over.

2487
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2488
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 2: I think one of the best comments you can get

2489
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 2: is just your dude, And I think that's what Pook is.

2490
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 2: We had this conversation. I believe it might have been

2491
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:41,040
Speaker 2: with Shane Steichen a few weeks ago before they played

2492
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:45,200
Speaker 2: the Chargers. And you know what makes them different. It's toughness,

2493
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 2: it's grit, It's the ability to just do things on

2494
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 2: the football field that matter more than running straight for

2495
01:59:51,960 --> 01:59:53,760
Speaker 2: a forty yard dash, which you've probably never seen the

2496
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,680
Speaker 2: NFL anyway. So I don't want to dismiss the testing

2497
01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 2: at all because a lot of that does help with

2498
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 2: you know how you translate to the n FELL.

2499
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:01,520
Speaker 4: But that's a dude that.

2500
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 2: Dane, like he said, you don't want to bet against,

2501
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:09,040
Speaker 2: and that's a good moniker or not Monker's not the

2502
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:12,520
Speaker 2: right word, but good label to have on your game,

2503
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:16,720
Speaker 2: on your reputation going from one level to the next.

2504
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:19,800
Speaker 1: BK throws in here, Mike Evans app that is a

2505
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 1: that is a nice compass. Well, obviously super high praise

2506
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:24,120
Speaker 1: Mike Evin's, in my opinion, is the future Hall of Famer.

2507
02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:28,040
Speaker 1: That is good. We get Bucks Rams, by the way,

2508
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 1: is that on the slate this week?

2509
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:30,200
Speaker 6: Mark?

2510
02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:33,240
Speaker 1: I got to check and see otherwise Bucks Rams, I believe, Yes,

2511
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:36,400
Speaker 1: I think we lack a lot of great games this week,

2512
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 1: but boy, that's quite the back to back for Baker Mayfield. Yeah,

2513
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 1: Josh Allen one week and Matthew Stafford. The next I

2514
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:47,040
Speaker 1: would assume is Stafford our MVP favorite right now. He

2515
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 1: is on a unbelievable.

2516
02:00:48,960 --> 02:00:52,600
Speaker 4: It might be Drake Mays because of the record, but yeah,

2517
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:53,280
Speaker 4: he's on a heater.

2518
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:56,000
Speaker 1: And I think that it really started with that Bolts game.

2519
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it did, honestly.

2520
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,800
Speaker 2: But if you look at the three leaders, it has

2521
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:03,800
Speaker 2: to be the two quarterbacks and j T I would think.

2522
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 2: But looking at again the numbers, Jonathan Taytor's on pace

2523
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:11,600
Speaker 2: for twenty nine touchdowns this year.

2524
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:15,520
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford is currently the favorite for MVP at plus

2525
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:18,440
Speaker 1: one thirty five. Drake may plus one seventy five, Josh

2526
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:21,480
Speaker 1: Allen plus four fifty, Jonathan Taylor plus nine hundred.

2527
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 2: Maybe this is a quarterback award, Lord, Yeah, the other

2528
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:26,960
Speaker 2: guys get Josh Allen scored six total touchdowns, though.

2529
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 3: After Jonathan Taylor it's Mahomes, Hurts, Goff, Darnold Knicks, Jordan Love,

2530
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:32,360
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones.

2531
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm scrolling.

2532
02:01:33,400 --> 02:01:34,880
Speaker 4: Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback.

2533
02:01:34,920 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 1: The next the next non quarterback is Jackson Smith and

2534
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 1: Jigba at plus ten thousand and you know, I struggle

2535
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 1: with this at times with quarterback, and look, it's the

2536
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:47,520
Speaker 1: most important position in sports. But like, let's look at

2537
02:01:47,560 --> 02:01:50,600
Speaker 1: Fernanda Mendoza for for a second. Obviously he has been

2538
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:55,720
Speaker 1: exceptional in so many areas this year. Yes, what is

2539
02:01:55,880 --> 02:02:01,320
Speaker 1: part of Mendoza's big Heisman candidacy right now? What would

2540
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 1: you guys say is like a big part of his appeal?

2541
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 1: Or you know when they show the resume, I mean

2542
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:11,120
Speaker 1: you watched the highlight film yesterday, Like what do they show?

2543
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean they show them the final drive against Penn State, Yes,

2544
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 1: the final drive against Oregon, the final drive against Iowa. Clutch,

2545
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 1: what he's got, the clutch gene? What came before all

2546
02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:30,160
Speaker 1: those drives? Interception, Mendos interception, Mendos interception, Mendo's interception. Like,

2547
02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get that opportunity to where they can have their

2548
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 1: own screw up, but that then sets the stage for

2549
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:39,200
Speaker 1: the dramatic.

2550
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:41,680
Speaker 4: Oh man, I have my Heisman moment out there in Oregon.

2551
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,560
Speaker 1: So like that's that's where I'm always like, I feel

2552
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:46,720
Speaker 1: bad for these running packs. I feel bad for some

2553
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:50,720
Speaker 1: of these other positions that can't self create that in

2554
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:53,960
Speaker 1: a way. If that makes sense of like, well, yeah,

2555
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean these are unbelievable final drives, but like maybe

2556
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:01,000
Speaker 1: you don't get that if you just don't throw the pick.

2557
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:06,680
Speaker 1: That's true, That is true, and maybe that's his life

2558
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 1: of quarterback. Yeah, it's definitely biased, and it's gonna come

2559
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:12,320
Speaker 1: down in that Arab whatever. The Big Ten Championship is

2560
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:16,480
Speaker 1: a couple of Saturdays from now, Julian Saying or Banana Medoza,

2561
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 1: I think the winner of that game will not only

2562
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:19,760
Speaker 1: win the Big Ten Championship, but will win the Heisman.

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Speaker 2: I can agree with that, and I think the same

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Speaker 2: can kind of be said in an NFL perspective with

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Speaker 2: quarterback play. And that's why when I look at Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 2: I think the total touchdowns he gets will be the

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Speaker 2: best indicator if he'll have a chance to win MVP.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have the Patriots lose, gotta have the Rams lose.

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Speaker 4: You gotta know, I know.

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Speaker 2: But if he gets the thirty touchdowns, I know, second

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Speaker 2: running back ever do that.

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Speaker 1: It's running back though, that's as greate as that's the

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Speaker 1: greatest case you can build. Yeah, people just look at

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Speaker 1: him sideways. Thank you to Rick Carlisle, Thank you to

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Speaker 1: Dan Brugler. Those will be up on the podcast We

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Speaker 1: will Talk to You coming up seven am at Wednesday morning.