1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: It has been a very weird week. 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: It has been the week of the twenty fourth anniversary 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: of September eleventh, there was the what can only be 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: described as the assassination of political commentator Charlie Kirk. It 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: has been nuts and it doesn't matter whether you're a 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: political person or not. It is these are the stories, 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: and it has affected And then for whatever reason, we 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: decided this was the week to try some Cubans that 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: our digital director Sarah gave us. So smoke them if 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: you got them, no matter what it is, it's eat, drink, smoke. 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz and that right there is America's favorite 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: amateur drinker. Fingers molloy will get to these stories and 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: our thoughts on them. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: These cigars come from Cuban. 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: They were given to us by Sarah, who does all 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: our digital work, and from a place called Benito's Tobacco Farm. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: So this is a twenty five acre farm in Cuba. 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: It's one of the largest tobacco farms in Cuban. Of course, 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: Cuba is still communist regime. 20 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: The farmer in. 21 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: Cuba is required to give ninety percent of their crop 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: to the government. Seems fair that ninety percent is based 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: on what the lowest cost of the leaf would be. 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: So even though they may be giving some very very 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: prime tobacco to the government, not giving being forced to give, 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: we should say it clearly, this is they get the 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: lowest price. 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: So there's a real question about why we're smoking it today. 29 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: I cannot tell you that since there have been embargo changes, 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: that somehow it is wrong to purchase the Cuban cigar. 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: And certainly some can make the argument that the embargo 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: never got Cuba to come off of communism. The nation 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: still hasn't come off of communism. They're way too close 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: to China. We can have all the geopolitical conversations, but 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: we were given these and we were asked to try them, 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: and we said we would, and it allows us an. 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: Opportunity to talk about two things. 38 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: First, this real kind of back and forth struggle that 39 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: exists with purchasing the Cuban cigar because of the communist regime. However, 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: there are these farmers who are trying to survive and 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: this is part of their survival, So what do you do? 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: And then secondly, what has happened in the world of 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: Cuban cigars where they have had crop issues Europe, which 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: does a lot of Cubans. That number has come down 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: a dramatic amount. And actually there have been boutique cigar 46 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: manufacturers that have not had a real opportunity over the 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: last twelve month period to push into those markets. 48 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: So there's the story of the Cuban. 49 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: Is first things first, in your smoking fingers, maloy And 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: by the way, this I would say is a robusto 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: kind of five and a half maybe five inch by 52 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: let's call it a five inch by fifty five x fifty, 53 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: which means it's five inches long. T always makes fingers 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: when way laugh. And the ring gauge is a fifty 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: the diameter of the cigar or how thick it is 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: around me, I get. 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: Have you changed that up? 58 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: Though? Well, when it's a little bit. As we get 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,559 Speaker 3: smaller and smaller on the ring gauge. 60 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: People look forward to the t heat T. Thank you 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: so very much. A sixty four ring gauge is a 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: full one inch around. So this is this is a 63 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: good hand feel. I can't tell you what this tobacco is. 64 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: What's really interesting is they when they do cigars. If 65 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: I have this right, there's an issue with nicotine and 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: so they pull a lot of the veining out to 67 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: not allow that, because that's where a lot of the 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 2: nicotine forms. This is a really interesting wrapper. First of all, 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: much smoother than I thought. It really does look like 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: it would be in the Connecticut shade, but since everything 71 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: is from that farm, I'm not sure how they would 72 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: describe it. 73 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: Much smoother, and oddly, I think this. 74 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: Might be from the packaging itself. It looks like it 75 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: has striping. Yeah, it looks like a stretch mark. Yes, 76 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: is exactly what it looks like. And I assume that's 77 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: from some level of packaging and having nothing to do 78 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: with the actual tobacco itself. 79 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: That's probably a fair assessment. Also, it is a lot 80 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: heavier than I was expecting when I lifted this thing up. 81 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: With the size, is it just me? Does it feel? 82 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: It's true? You're very weak? 83 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: That's true, you're very weak. I get three SUPs this morning? 84 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: Is that you tried to get out of bed three times? Yes, 85 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: that's what I thought right there. 86 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: Interestingly, it's smoking very very well. We just lit this 87 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: up and again the same rules apply. First, third, second, third, 88 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: final third. You get out your notebook. What'd you eat today? 89 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: What'd you drink today. Temperatures are in great in Indianapolis, Indiana. 90 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: They are creeping back up. We'll see things back into 91 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: the nineties soon in September. 92 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: Fingers more less terrible. 93 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: I can tell you right now, this past week has 94 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: been absolutely perfect in central Indiana. If you want to 95 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: go out in the evening on the back deck, on 96 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: the back porch and enjoy a cigar. 97 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: And if you don't have a good back deck, use 98 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: your neighbors. 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: And so you take the cigar and you break into 100 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: the thirds. What'd you eat today? What'd you drink today? 101 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: Put it in your notebooks, write that down, and then 102 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: what are the flavors you're getting out of each third 103 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: of the cigar? And then when you try that cigar 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: three months from now, six months from now, whatever it is, 105 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: you do it again, you're able to compare notes, get 106 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: an idea of the through line and what it is 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: that you're picking up from this. 108 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: So we don't have any notes on this. 109 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 2: There's nothing we can do to go find something about 110 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: this cigar. We can find out a little bit more 111 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: about the region. There's actually for anybody who does any 112 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: level of traveling, there are ways to kind of visit 113 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: the farm and do some tourism there, to the extent 114 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: that anybody's going to Cuba. What say you fingers from 115 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: what you experienced thus far? 116 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 3: I mean so far, I'm getting a little litle bit 117 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: of pepper and then a leather. Uh, and that's about it. 118 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: Not much more than that. But we just lit this. 119 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: It's where the first third of the first third of 120 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: the cigar is yours burning funny or is it just me? 121 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: It's it's just you. I think I think that's mostly 122 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: fine right here. I don't think there's any issues there. 123 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: I think I tight of a draw looks to your 124 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: ashes blooming well. You know, what can I say? I 125 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: bring life to all it's all things. That is what 126 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: I do. This whole area. So you said leather, I'd 127 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: like for you to think of it a little bit differently. Okay, 128 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: this area, as as I know it is. 129 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: The is the Vignales Valley v I N A L E. S. 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: This is actually a UNESCO World Heritage Site, So to 131 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 2: an extent it's protected by the un if you feel. 132 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: That brings you any protection whatsoever. 133 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: It has these massive limestone mounds all around it. 134 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if what we're getting out of this is. 135 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: Not a leather but a mineral? Is it a mineral 136 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: taste that you're kind of experiencing? And I don't know 137 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: how to properly describe what that is? 138 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: What is mineral? You know? Are you telling me Tony 139 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: that it tastes like rocks? 140 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: Well no, but now that you mention it, that's a 141 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: kind of interesting way to do it. 142 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: Is it almost a little bit like a salty like 143 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: a sea spray. Maybe that's the way to describe it. 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: So I think leather is is directional, but I don't 145 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: know to the extent that it is accurate to what 146 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: it is. We'rocks. 147 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying? 148 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: Directional? You're you're in an area. I absolutely am dancing 149 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: with you. I just I just think that there's I 150 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: think there's something more happening here. I'm actually kind of 151 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: impressed by the construction. It's holding up pretty well. We 152 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: were like, I don't know where these came from, Like 153 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: we we could be seriously injured by these cigars, but 154 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: we trust Sarah. That's implicitly and so you don't know. 155 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: You sometimes don't know, and that's a dangerous. 156 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: Thing to play. 157 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: We're playing a dangerous game right now, I should have 158 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: just let you smoke this and see what happens. 159 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 3: If you wanted to play a dangerous game, I would 160 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: have suggested hungry, hungry hippos not dangerous. 161 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: Also, we have a moth in the studio. 162 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 3: Considered good luck lying around. 163 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what it's flying right into the camera, 164 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: but always wants to be the center of attention. 165 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: You're going to be a star. 166 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Wait till we tell the Norm McDonald's joke. 167 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: There it is this from Benito's tobacco farm. 168 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: This cuban right here. We'll talk more about cubans. September 169 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: is a National Bourbon Month. We were so busy last 170 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 2: week because we did the Tomahawks. 171 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: We totally forgot. 172 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: But it is Bourbon Heritage month and you should go 173 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: out and celebrate some fantastic bourbon. There's actually a toast 174 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: that's taking place in places all across the country on 175 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: September fourteenth, which I believe is National Bourbon Day. 176 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: Isn't it? Isn't that the official day of bourbon. 177 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 3: Some for some of us, Tony every day is National 178 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: Bourbon Day. 179 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: Sea drink smell gom Tony Kats, and that right there 180 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: is America's favorite amateur drinker, Fingers molloy. 181 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Bourbon the great American drink. It is. 182 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: It will this Sunday, depending on where you are, there's 183 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: gonna be a big toast. Everyone's gonna be toasting National 184 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: Bourbon Heritage Month. You should go to enjoy that. We 185 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: should also be clear so you know Bourbon does not 186 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 2: have to come from Kentucky. 187 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 3: Bourbon is the. 188 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: Great American drink. 189 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 2: There are rules as set by Congress, maybe the only. 190 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: Thing our federal government ever got right. 191 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: And you can find all those rules at Let's Go Bourbon. 192 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: That is our bourbon book, available at Amazon dot com. 193 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: Let's Go Bourbon, the bourbon reader You've always needed. It's 194 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 2: an easy read, it's got the got some great quotes. 195 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: It's perfect for the bathroom. Put it next to the bar. 196 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 2: A couple of great recipes in there that we use 197 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: all the time. 198 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: So have it. Give it to someone. 199 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: Just a fun, easy read and just quick look up 200 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: reference for some of the things you want to know 201 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 2: about bourbon. Let's Go Bourbon, available at Amazon dot com. 202 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: The Fall is here. 203 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: Speaking of September, it is fall. There was a chill 204 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: in the air, and what we talked about the heat 205 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: coming back here in Central Indiana. But that means that 206 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: it's time for all your favorite comfort foods. Fingers maloy. 207 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: You worked a hard day, there's a little chill in 208 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: the air, and you want to come back to a 209 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: big heap and bowl of something meat in some kind 210 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: of potato. 211 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: You're exactly right. My number one comfort food if I 212 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: were creating a list, cigar. 213 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: It's not a food. 214 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: Not with that attitude. 215 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: So they've got a list here. 216 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 2: We always have a list at all recipes dot com, 217 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: which is excellent. All recipes has some absolutely fantastic recipes. 218 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: They do great work, a lot better than a lot 219 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: of recipes dot com. 220 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of recipes dot com not that many recipes. 221 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: Uh. They start with a beef and Guinness stew and 222 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: I just want to put this out here right now. 223 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: I do not like stew at all. 224 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: What What did st dow ever do to you, dude? 225 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: I'm not a fan. I'm not even gonna tell Stu joke. 226 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: I don't I I don't like it. 227 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: I like stew. Uh, I'm not a big fan of 228 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: using guinness for cooking. 229 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: No, no, And I. 230 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 3: I've we've did we do because Guinness has come out 231 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 3: with products food products. I think the Guinness mac and cheese. 232 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,599 Speaker 3: Did we ever do that? I want to say that 233 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: we did, but maybe we didn't. I I'm just not 234 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: a big fan of using the flavores work. It just 235 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: doesn't work for me. Uh in food form, uh, drinking it, 236 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: I'm all for it. 237 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: So they've got here a simple beef stroganof, which is 238 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: one of those things where people here stroging off and they. 239 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: Go, yeah, exactly, what's a complex beef strogan off? 240 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. 241 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: This is egg noodles, ground beef, a can of fat 242 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: free condensed cream and mushroom soup, garlic powder, sour cream, 243 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: and salt and pepper. 244 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 3: Okay, that's it. 245 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: That's it. It's just meant to stick to you. It's 246 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: meant to give you a crap ton of calories. It's hot, 247 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: it's easy to digest. Done again, hot, hot and easy, 248 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: hot and easy. Just how I like it. 249 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: Yep, that was his name in college. It is right there. 250 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: The Marry Me chicken soup is on the list. No, yes, 251 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: I would. 252 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: I would like to know what kind of chicken soup 253 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: is so fantastic that it would make a man drop 254 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: down on one knee and say marry me. 255 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 2: First of all, it is it is a cream based 256 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: not a standard chicken soup. 257 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: Right there. 258 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: You start with you you are gonna get yourself a 259 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: half a cup of Julian cut sun. 260 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: Dried tomatoes in the oil. 261 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: Uh, you're gonna do the some more oil from the 262 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: sun dried tomato jar, some onion, garlic cloves, tomato paste, 263 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: chicken broth, heavy whipping cream. 264 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: Uh, you got the. 265 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: Fresh basil kosh or salt dried Italian season. You see 266 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: what they're doing here, They're layering this mother up. Yes, 267 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: they're laying Basically, it's it's not even a chicken soup. 268 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: It's a version of a tomato creamy tomato soup. 269 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: Do you like tomato soup? No, it's terrible. 270 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: You don't do tomato soup and grilled cheese, No, do not, 271 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: absolutely not. 272 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: Admittedly, that is a brilliant commet that that is a 273 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 2: good comfort, comfort enjoyment. 274 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: Right, better than coupling peanut butter and chocolate. 275 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: For comfort food. 276 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: No, just in general, when you're you're pairing two things together, 277 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: what is better the grilled cheese with tomato soup or 278 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: peanut butter all. It depends on what you're doing. You 279 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 3: can't compare these things. You must compare it right now. 280 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: That's like apples and other apples. You can't compare those 281 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: other apples, is my choice? 282 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: No? 283 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: No, What would you rather have? Peanut butter and chocolate 284 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: and peanut butter and jelly. 285 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: Oh, peanut butter and chocolate. 286 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: Okay, you're wrong. 287 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: Peanut butter and jelly all day, all day, not even close. 288 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: I was with a group of friends last week. The 289 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: story started as a lie, and one of. 290 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: Our mutual friends, Mark, brought up the episode where we 291 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: were arguing about grape jelly because I like strawberry. I 292 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: don't like grape, yes, And he thought you were crazy. 293 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: And then the subject of orange marmalade came up, and 294 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: then the whole thing just went down. 295 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: Strawberry jam. Strawberry preserves better with peanut butter than grape jelly. Oh, Hill, 296 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: I'll die on gladly joyfully. 297 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: Is a peanut butter and jelly sandwich comfort food? Yes? 298 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: I won't. 299 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I will not disagree with you on that one 300 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: thousand percent, especially with milk. 301 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: Uh. 302 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: Then you've got the stuffed cabbage rolls. 303 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: Didn't your mother rest her soul, my grandmother, Okay, And 304 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: they were terrible, and they stunk up the whole house. 305 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: The whole neighborhood knew. Grandma was making cabbage rolls, not 306 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: my jam. You like the stuffed cabbage rolls? 307 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: Do? 308 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 309 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, but but but I know what I'm doing. Are 310 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: you saying that grandmother Maloy did not know how to make, 311 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: did not know how to make? How dare you, sir? 312 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: How dare you better than a stuffed pepper? 313 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: Oh, I'd much rather have a stuff pepper. 314 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: Oh, ten thousand percent would rather have a stuffed pepper, 315 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: mainly because I think it's easier, it holds up better, 316 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: you can do so much more. By the way, stuff 317 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: peppers are one of those dishes that are so easy 318 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: to do, and it looks so great, like as a 319 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: matter of sheer presentation, people go wow, like it's it's 320 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: basically cut, slice a pepper, slice the top off right, 321 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: keep the keep the little stem scoop it out. 322 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,479 Speaker 1: Then make a sloppy joe. Pour it inside. 323 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: It's basically a dryer sloppy joe. Put it inside, bake it, serve. 324 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: You can serve it on a bet of pasta. You 325 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: can serve it on a bed of rice. You can 326 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: you can do a million things with it. 327 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: It looks so good. It is fantastic. 328 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: When done right, and much better when you're not using 329 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 3: a green pepper. 330 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't why I'm asking. 331 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: I think a lot of it has to do with 332 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 3: for me because I have a sweet tooth, the sweeter peppers. 333 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: Uh. 334 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: And then also the color of anything other than green. 335 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: I get it's quite, it's festive. 336 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: I get it right. 337 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: So really it's about how you eat with your eyes 338 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: before you eat with your stomach. 339 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: That's right, right, I get what you're saying, because has 340 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: gotten weird. 341 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: This is a good list. This is a good list. 342 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 2: Now something like, for example, they've got on this list honey, garlic, 343 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: pork chops not a comfort food. That's dinner, Italian sausage 344 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: tortellini that is both, that is both. This is a 345 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: pretty good list. Some things really worth trying this winter 346 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 2: and fall. 347 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: Eat, drink. 348 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: Smoking is your cigar bourbon foody extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz. 349 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: That is America's favorite amateur drinker. Fingers maloy. We're smoking 350 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: these cubans from Benitos Tobacco Farm. Our digital director Sarah 351 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 2: gave us these to try that she got from somebody 352 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: who had been visiting Cuba, and it gives us a 353 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 2: chance to really kind of engage a little bit this 354 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: Cuban story. Admittedly, we are smoking this. We're into the 355 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: first third of this cigar. There is a real white 356 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: pepper developing. 357 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: Roof of mouth. 358 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: Towards the back, heading into the throat. There is you know, 359 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: you say that it's leather. I think it's I'm going 360 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: with like a mineral tang, and I know that sounds dumb. 361 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: I don't have a good way of explaining it. 362 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 3: I am. 363 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: I am kind of shocked by the cigar. I wouldn't 364 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 2: argue that this is my full on flavor profile. This 365 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: is not like in the world of Cubans, my cigar, 366 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: or I shouldn't say my cigar. The one that I've 367 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: had the most of and I do enjoy is the 368 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: money Christa number two. That is a real, real fascinating smoke. 369 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: But we start with what has happened with Cuban cigars 370 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: in Toto, in that there was a time agreed we 371 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: would all agree that the Cuban cigar was the cigar. 372 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: It was the rolex of cigars, and certainly you felt 373 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 2: it was if you were Cuban, you were smoking the 374 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: best of the best of the best. After the advent 375 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: of communism and so many people fled, they took the 376 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: seed with them. And while it took decades really to 377 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: find good levels of cultivation, whether that be in Nicaragua 378 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: or in the Dominican now we're seeing things out of Honduras. 379 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: They have been able to so utilize that seed in 380 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: other soils, find the better ways to grow that fingers. 381 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: I think that the idea today that the Cuban is 382 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: some kind of exemplary stick compared to other cigars is 383 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: no longer in any way a truism that people can 384 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: hang their hat on. 385 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: I'd agree with that. I'd also be curious to talk 386 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: to lounge owners, talk to people who run a cigar 387 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 3: shop and see. I talked to I can't remember who 388 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 3: was a cigar lounge owner a year ago, and I asked, 389 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: how often do you still get people walking in and saying, hell, okay, 390 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: come on now, where ready to keep the Cubans? You 391 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: know you got a couple back there. I want to 392 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 3: try one, you know. I wonder if that sentiment is 393 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: fading a little bit that the want of having one 394 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: has diminished, you know, because there is that that feeling 395 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 3: of oh, because I can't have it, I want it. 396 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: But also because of the the belief and I think 397 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 3: a true belief that the quality of cigars from other regions, 398 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 3: other countries has the quality has gotten better, that maybe 399 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 3: some of that mystique has has diminished a little bit. 400 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: So I would argue the first people absolutely still go 401 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 2: in and ask for that, and there is still a 402 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: mistique to it. And if you had a chance, if 403 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: you were with a group of friends and you were. 404 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 4: Like, guys cubans, everyone would go oh like, it would 405 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 4: just be because it's that thing that that that concept, thatilosophy, 406 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 4: This is what this is what JFK was doing, This 407 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 4: is what Sinato is doing. 408 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: This is this is it like look at me and 409 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 3: you're doing. 410 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 2: Something a little bit not not so much for sky 411 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: but risky, and you're like, oh my gosh, and has 412 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 2: that specialness. 413 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 3: So I don't have any doubt that people still do that. 414 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: Then there's a price conversation because when you if you 415 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: if you were to say, well, this box of cubans 416 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 2: is fourteen dollars, I'm gonna have myself a camacho. 417 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: They're not. 418 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: They're not gonna gonna do that in in In the main, 419 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: that's a different conversation than what it is the cigar 420 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 2: world has been able to create. And I'm just I'm 421 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: thrilled it how well these farmers have done over the years, 422 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: and they've had time in adapting to soils, adapting to environments, 423 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: making these changes. 424 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 3: And really for for for. 425 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: Everything you could say about cigars, levels of consolidation that 426 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: have taken place, issues with tariffs right now and during COVID, 427 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: the salivat issues, packaging issues. 428 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: We live right now in a and I think it's. 429 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: Been for years now a real not only renaissance, but 430 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: just a spectacular time for people trying cool stuff and 431 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: making even a lot of the only fair stuff is 432 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 2: still pretty good stuff. 433 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 434 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: I would also like to know, and there's no way 435 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: of knowing for sure, obviously, is the cigars that come 436 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: to the United States and the Americans who are smoking them, 437 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 3: how many of those cigars percentage wise are actually legitimate 438 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 3: Cuban cigars or their counterfeit. Oh, because there's that whole 439 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: thing too. I think it was the Travel Channel. I 440 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: was Channel surfing a few years ago and the subject 441 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: of cigars came on and they were talking about Cuban 442 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 3: cigars and this one gentleman, I don't know if he 443 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: was an expert or not, but he must have been. 444 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: He was on the Travel Channel. Yes, as you know, 445 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 3: that's where I get all my cigar. Now, yeah, he 446 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 3: claimed that it's quite possible that you could go to 447 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 3: a cigar vendor who's rolling cigars on the streets of 448 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 3: Cuba and he's not using Cuban tobacco. But lets you 449 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: believe that it's a Cuban tobacco cigar. If you can't 450 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 3: even trust that, it's gotta be, you know, you got 451 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 3: to think about that. When someone says, oh, I got 452 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: this from a buddy, My buddy Jake has got a 453 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 3: connection and this is an authentic Cuban cigar, do you 454 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: really know it. 455 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: Is the Goheba fakes are real big out there. Yeah, 456 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: it's hard. It is hard to know. But then again, 457 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: sometimes it's again if they told you it was a 458 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: Cuban so you're just gonna go with it because you 459 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: want to go. 460 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: With the story, right. 461 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: But the other part of this is the do you 462 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: feel guilty when you smoke a Cuban, You and I listen. 463 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: You got people know that we we do a lot 464 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: of political work. We each have a radio shows, Fingers 465 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: in Michigan, myself in Indianapolis, both mornings and nationally syndicated midday. 466 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: We Fingers used to write for The Washington Times online. 467 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: We have consulted with people, we have been in these 468 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: high level meetings. We've engaged with a whole slew of 469 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: people that you see regularly on TV and other things. 470 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Is it in today's world a problem? 471 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 2: Are you giving aid and comfort to a communist regime 472 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: seriously by smoking a Cuban? 473 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: Well? 474 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 3: Yes, But also it's selective, right, I mean, you are 475 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: feeling guilty about it while you're you're getting on your iPhone. 476 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: It's it's it's hard to say China by slave labors, 477 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 2: people kill themselves exactly. It's it's hard interesting, it's hard 478 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: to feel guilty about it. 479 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: Sure, we should feel guilty about it, but we're very 480 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: selective in our guilt. 481 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: That's a good point. Oh, that's going to give me pause. 482 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: Because I I I don't search them out. They sometimes 483 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: find their way to me. That much is true. People 484 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: know that I do cigars. They know that I've got 485 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: the human or that will house every cigar that was 486 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: ever made, and. 487 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: I built a studio just so we could do just this. 488 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: I sometimes wonder. 489 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 2: Maybe it is selective, because I would feel much differently 490 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 2: about the cigar from Cuba than I would the cigar 491 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 2: from from Russia, even though Russia isn't communist anymore. 492 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: But that's kind of. 493 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm now, I'm stuffed by the way. 494 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: This is very iron rand for me. 495 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: If if you're having a contradiction, you have to check 496 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: your premises, and so I need to go back and 497 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 2: do it. 498 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 3: Maybe some of it, maybe some of it is the 499 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: cigar our industry is so focused in family oriented where 500 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: you feel like, okay, these are family businesses. There's a 501 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: bit of that that are getting I mean ninety percent 502 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 3: the state takes, yeah. 503 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: The communist regime takes, and. 504 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: So that farmer is trying to survive, and I, in 505 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 2: the end, I probably should just say no, I should say, 506 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: you know, not to do it. We were given these 507 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: We're like, okay, we will give them a go, and 508 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 2: it allows us for this conversation and maybe we just 509 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 2: leave to each their own or maybe Honestly, I think 510 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: I I was not expecting to walk out of this 511 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 2: conversation being, oh my gosh, I'm the bad guy. I 512 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: might be the bad guy. Maybe the answer is no, 513 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 2: just can't be supportive. Communism has to fall. Yeah, but 514 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: I still buy goods from China and from Vietnam and 515 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: a lot of time too. 516 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: But I do a lot of times you don't have 517 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: a choice. 518 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: That's true too. Let us know what you think in 519 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: the comments. 520 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 2: It has been a very strange week. Eat Drink Smoke. 521 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. That is fingers from Well. I find 522 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: everything at Eat Drinks Smoke show dot com. 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Now, I'm a guy who was 564 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: in d c h for September eleventh, working as a 565 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: restaurant manager at ninth and E, which is kind of 566 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: halfway between the White House and the Capitol, and watching 567 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: this unfold. I was I was doing a training as 568 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: a manager and some of the staff said, you got 569 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: to see this. I saw the second plane hit. The 570 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: stories in DC you were learning about the Pentagon. There 571 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: were there was reports. I remember that there were there 572 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: were car bombs, but I don't think that ever actually happened. 573 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: And my fifteen minute commute home was three hours. 574 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: It was it was an insane feeling in the fighter 575 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: jets overhead, and the jeeps, the man jeeps and you know, soldiers, 576 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: firearms on the corners. It was really and truly something else. 577 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: Of an experience, and I think I think it was 578 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: different in the Midwest, but I don't think the concept 579 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: of loss was different here. But to think that it's 580 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: been twenty four years and I don't know where you 581 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: were for September eleventh, twenty four years, that is stunning 582 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: to think about. 583 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was working in a factory at the time. 584 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 3: I remember driving to work and I only had an 585 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: eighth of a tank of gas, and I said, I'll 586 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 3: get gas on my way home. And I don't know 587 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: if you remember what happened afterward. There was a panic 588 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: and Americans all over the country raced to the gas 589 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 3: station to fill up. I waited an hour and a 590 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 3: half to fill up my tank and then I went home. 591 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: And it was a really bizarre day because you're sitting here, 592 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: you're in complete shock, your mourning the the loss of life. 593 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: I had people traveling to my house because Jimmy Buffett 594 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: and the Coral Reefer Band we're going to perform at 595 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: Deer Creek. I think it was called Verizon Wireless Music Theater, 596 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: but it's for those in Central Indiana, you know, it 597 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: is Deer Creek. And of course Jimmy Buffett postponed the show. 598 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: But meanwhile, everybody still showed up at the house and 599 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: we had a beer in barbecue and everybody's just sitting 600 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 3: around around a campfire, completely stunned, shocked over the days 601 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 3: of Alleys and what it looks bad now when I 602 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 3: see you know, there were photos taken of people sitting 603 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 3: around a campfire drinking beer. And this kid's was when 604 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 3: you had to take the film to the photo Matt 605 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 3: and the date of the photos are on the corner 606 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 3: and it says, you know, nine to eleven, two thousand 607 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: and one, and it looks like a big party. And 608 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 3: believe me, nobody was partying. It was a really strange experience. 609 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: And of course it's just to me. I just cannot 610 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: believe it's been over twenty years. 611 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: So the one thing I think that we do well 612 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: in America is remembering. And you know, every year in 613 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 2: New York they read every name, two nine hundred plus names. 614 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: They read every name. 615 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: And I think that those names have grown because as 616 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: firefighters and first responders have died from the injuries received 617 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: what they were breathing in there on September eleventh. 618 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: That number grows. 619 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: But there is something remarkably profound and impactful about that 620 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: because it takes hours and they have people up there 621 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: reading names, and they go on and on. Some people 622 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: give a little remembrance or a little speech, but it 623 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: is it's kind of incredible to hear that all and 624 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: to go through that every single year. 625 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: But it's important, and I'm a believer. I don't know 626 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: you agree or disagree that it is. 627 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: It is not only imperative to talk about September eleventh 628 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: and what happened and and being attacked by by what 629 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: can only be described as Islamists, people who want to 630 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: destroy Western civilization. It's you got to talk to your 631 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: kids about it. You have to talk to each other 632 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: about it, and you have to go back and watch 633 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: the videos. And I think you have to watch the 634 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: awful videos, whether that's towers coming down, these people who jumped, 635 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's such a horrifying thought the people 636 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 2: who were trapped in those upper floors and the heat 637 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: was so hot or the intensity was so great that 638 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: somehow jumping in that second made sense because they could 639 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: that you simply could not be up there, and the 640 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 2: phone calls and the phone calls home, and remember these 641 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: this was not the day of voicemail, right, You weren't 642 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 2: gonna get someone on their cell. You left a message 643 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: on the answering machine, and people out and doing their things, 644 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 2: and they didn't know until until later. And the messages 645 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: and the and the those conversations. It's to this day. 646 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: I I if I'm on air, I play them all 647 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 2: on air all the time. If it's a weekend, I'm 648 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 2: still listening. You have to hear it to remember how 649 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 2: absolutely horrific this was, because if you don't, these things 650 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: kind of get memory hold into oh yeah, you remember that, 651 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 2: you can't you can't, Oh yeah, do you remember that 652 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: the worst attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor? And 653 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 2: the the imperative of remembering that, you can't let that 654 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: happen again. The vigilance matters. So I find myself constantly 655 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: on September eleventh in that in that stage of remembrance 656 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 2: and encouraging the remembering. 657 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 658 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 3: There was a debate for a while there whether you know, 659 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 3: news networks, television networks in general should replay a lot 660 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 3: of that video footage, and the debate goes on to 661 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: this day. I completely agree with you. People need to 662 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 3: see exactly what happened. On that day, and it's a 663 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 3: tough watch obviously, but it was a heck of a 664 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 3: lot tougher for people that have family and obviously the victims. 665 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 3: But it needs to be reviewed and looked at. So 666 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 3: people it's very easy to memory hole a lot of 667 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 3: this stuff. 668 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 2: So I grew up in a place called Middletown, New Jersey, 669 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: right not too far from Route thirty five for anybody 670 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: who knows Middletown, New Jersey, And I believe this is 671 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 2: still the statistic as a matter of percentage, Middletown lost 672 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: more people on September eleventh than any other town or 673 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 2: city outside of New York because people would take the 674 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 2: train right. 675 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: I know where the train station is. 676 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 2: I've parked of that train station, taken the train into 677 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 2: into Manhattan. We always referred to it as the city 678 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: Growing Company, New Jersey. No, it was never Philadelphia. It 679 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 2: was always New York. And that kind of still that 680 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 2: remembrance sticks with me a little bit. 681 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: But I. 682 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 2: Don't know if I recall a debate about whether or 683 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: not these things should be replayed, but I would have 684 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 2: no doubt in believing there are plenty of people who like, ah, 685 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: let's just move on. 686 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: Right on. 687 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 2: No no no, and we shouldn't talk about that because 688 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: it might bring up bad feelings. Let's just move on. 689 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: Not a chance, zero chance at all. So take the time, 690 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: even this weekend to remember to share, to engage, and 691 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: let's make sure that never happens.