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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom, boom,

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Speaker 1: We'm Guy Ralphord on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: Well, good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 3: here on ninety three WIBC. We're thrilled that you're with

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Speaker 3: He gave me sort of an equivocal yeah, you bet.

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Speaker 3: Look Gavin took a vacation. I'm curt but hey, we

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Speaker 3: is a lot to get into, as there always is.

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court is considering new cases, including Second Amendment

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. And as I mentioned before

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I checked the Insurance Committee's agenda just before

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Speaker 3: It's actually they call it the first floor. It's the

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Speaker 3: you'd like public comment on that, wouldn't you, Representative?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, i'd let you know, any business owner

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: This is an insurance company is requiring these types of

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Speaker 3: more open ended than that, what kind of RESPONSI have

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean so, I actually have two bills in this space.

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Speaker 6: then that becomes common practice, right, So let's prevent that

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Speaker 4: And that that's my intent with this.

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Speaker 3: You know, one thing that if I were to testify

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, I'd totally be open to that, you know, with

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Speaker 4: But you know, I completely agree with you on that.

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Speaker 4: Make you more safe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, they.

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Speaker 4: Endanger you more and more or less.

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Speaker 3: Well, one thing I've learned from being involved with legislation

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Speaker 3: relatively new in the General Assembly, are you not.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my first term. I'm from Warren County's third

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Speaker 6: most rural county in the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 4: I grew up here.

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Speaker 6: It was in the Army for five years of the

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Speaker 6: Infantry Mental Station, the eighty second Airborne Division and Fort

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Speaker 6: Bragg Awesome. I did two tours in Afghanistan. On my

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Speaker 6: second deployment, I stepped on id lost part of my

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Speaker 6: right leg.

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Speaker 4: Spent two years at Walter Reid.

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Speaker 6: Transitioned out of the Army, went to Ivy Tech and Purdue,

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Speaker 6: got my degree in education. Where you know, I've been

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Speaker 6: teaching for eight years now, coach football. Up until I

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Speaker 6: ran this campaign, I was in local government. I have

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Speaker 6: a wife and two kids here on Warren County. Couldn't

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Speaker 6: do anything without my wife. She's phenomenal and puts up

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Speaker 6: with all the things I get us into. And then

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Speaker 6: you know, it's fortunate to win a race a couple

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Speaker 6: of years ago from Indiana State House and yeah, you know, filed.

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Speaker 4: My paperwork on Monday to.

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Speaker 6: Run again and represent the thirteenth district, which is the

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Speaker 6: largest geographic.

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Speaker 4: District in the state.

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Speaker 6: That's just a little bit about me. And you know,

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Speaker 6: from my army background and school background, you know, school

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Speaker 6: safety is huge to me.

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Speaker 4: Always been a big pro gun guy.

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Speaker 6: But you know, on a bill like this, it was

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Speaker 6: which super simple, like I said, but you know, like

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Speaker 6: when out, you know, most people would say that indian

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Speaker 6: is a very pro gun state, and we are. We

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Speaker 6: have constitution carry We're a great leader in that, but like,

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Speaker 6: how can we continue to push that that? You know,

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Speaker 6: that was another part of this is like where can

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Speaker 6: we you know, further solidify our Second Amendment rights and

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Speaker 6: make sure that like you know, God forbid the other

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Speaker 6: side ever gets control?

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Speaker 4: Like may it harder to call back.

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Speaker 3: At Yeah, I'm with you completely, I'll be I'll be

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Speaker 3: happy to work with you on that going into the future.

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Speaker 3: And listen. Thanks so much for joining us here this

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Speaker 3: afternoon on the Gun Show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you guys.

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Speaker 3: All right with that, I'll tell you what a little

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Speaker 3: pass bomb the arro. Let's take a break. We'll be

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Speaker 3: right back. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guys

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC, the.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: In fact, sometimes I'm having two different conversations at the

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Speaker 3: Thanks again to Representative Matt Common, not only a combat veteran,

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Speaker 3: a wounded veteran who now is continuing to serve as

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Speaker 3: country and serve as state and serve as local community

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Speaker 3: in the Indiana General Assembly, but also with a bill

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Speaker 3: that would help protect our Second Amendment rights. He and

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Speaker 3: I are texting actually back and forth during the break

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Speaker 3: and we may actually try to broaden that bill a

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Speaker 3: little bit when it goes over to the Senate if

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Speaker 3: we get it out of the House. I do think

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Speaker 3: there's more to do to protect Second Amendment rights when

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Speaker 3: we have insurance companies. I think in a very short

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Speaker 3: sighted way, you have people in these insurance companies who

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Speaker 3: just have this simplistic mentality of well, guns are bad.

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Speaker 3: People get hurt from guns, and gosh, if there's guns around,

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Speaker 3: then somebody's gonna get hurt, and that means there's liability,

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Speaker 3: and that's bad for insurance. And they're not experienced enough

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Speaker 3: in the issue. They don't know enough about security, they

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Speaker 3: don't know enough about keeping people safe, they don't know

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Speaker 3: enough about how you actually keep people safe from bad

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Speaker 3: guys who may want to, yes, do something like a

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Speaker 3: mass shooting at a business, whether it's a store, grocery store,

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Speaker 3: or restaurant you know, or other business at the mall.

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Speaker 3: We've seen all this over and over again. I mentioned churches.

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Speaker 3: How many times have we read about or seen on

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Speaker 3: the news an attack on an attempted mass shooting or

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Speaker 3: an actual mass shooting at a church. And you have

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Speaker 3: insurance companies who are coming out saying, well, just guns

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Speaker 3: are bad, so we don't want guns and so well

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Speaker 3: they're not thinking about is that there is no such thing.

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Speaker 3: And I've done this before. I've gone through this before

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Speaker 3: on The Gun Guy Show. But it absolutely bears repeating,

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Speaker 3: and we have new listeners all the time, and sometimes

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Speaker 3: it just makes sense to refresh our collective recollection on

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Speaker 3: these issues. There is no such thing as a gun

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Speaker 3: free zone. Representative Commons Bill House Build twelve seventy fources.

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Speaker 3: Insurance companies can't require a gun free zone notice to

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Speaker 3: go up as a condition of insurance. That makes all

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Speaker 3: the sense in the world. But at gun free zone notice,

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Speaker 3: that whole concept is based on a fallacy. It's based

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Speaker 3: on a fiction. It might as well be based on

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Speaker 3: a belief in unicorns or the tooth fairy. It is

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Speaker 3: a fiction. There is no such thing as a gun

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Speaker 3: free zone. And you may be looking at your radio

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Speaker 3: or your YouTube screen right now going what the hell

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Speaker 3: is he talking about? Of course, there are gun free zones.

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Speaker 3: We talk about gun free zones all the time. No,

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Speaker 3: it's a complete fiction. Why is that? Because there are

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Speaker 3: places where only good guys have guns. What's an example,

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Speaker 3: the secure area of the airport. Are there guns in

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Speaker 3: the secure area of the airport. Of course, there are

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Speaker 3: are people there in uniform, and some people there that

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Speaker 3: you may not recognize and see they are not necessarily

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Speaker 3: in uniform, but they're good guys. They're doing their job,

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Speaker 3: and their job is to make sure that bad guys

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Speaker 3: who try to take a gun or another dangerous weapon

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Speaker 3: into that area or otherwise into the airport or get

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Speaker 3: it onto an airplane are not going to be allowed

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Speaker 3: to do that. And if they try, they have the

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Speaker 3: capacity to shoot them with guns. It's not a gun

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Speaker 3: free zone. A prison. Are there guns in prison? Of course?

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Speaker 5: There are.

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Speaker 3: Are there a lot of security features to keep bad

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Speaker 3: guys from getting guns. In a prison. Yes, there's not

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Speaker 3: a gun free zone. So there are places where only

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Speaker 3: good guys have guns. There are places where everybody can

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Speaker 3: have a gun. There's no law, there's no rule, there's

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Speaker 3: no policy. You walking on the street in public, cand

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Speaker 3: a bad guy have a gun there? Well, of course,

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Speaker 3: because there's no security feature. There are no X ray

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Speaker 3: machines or metal detectors or or stopping frisks going on

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Speaker 3: to keep bad guys from carrying guns. So they could

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Speaker 3: be a felon, they could be a multi time fellon.

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Speaker 3: It could be who knows the worst of the worst

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Speaker 3: carrying a gun. There's nothing physically there to prevent them.

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Speaker 3: And good guys, realizing there's a risk, can carry guns

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Speaker 3: as well. So is that a gun freezing Well, of

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Speaker 3: course not, because everybody has the capacity to have a

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Speaker 3: gun there. And then there are those places where only

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Speaker 3: bad guys have guns. And you say, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: how can that be. How can they only Well, those

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Speaker 3: places where it's illegal to have a gun, it's illegal

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Speaker 3: for you, as a private citizen to have a gun there.

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Speaker 3: So let's say there's a school that does not have

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Speaker 3: its own security, they don't have school resource officers they

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Speaker 3: don't have private security, they're just a gun free zo,

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Speaker 3: and it's against the walls of felony for you to

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Speaker 3: have a gun, for me to have a gun on

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Speaker 3: school property. Now, there are exceptions to that which we

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Speaker 3: can talk about, but certainly as far as in the

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Speaker 3: building itself, there's a federal Gun Free School Zones Act

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Speaker 3: actually prohibits guns within a thousand feet of a school.

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Speaker 3: So if there's no private security there, there's no school

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Speaker 3: resource officer there, then good guys can't have a gun

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Speaker 3: there because it's a felony to have a gun. Does

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Speaker 3: that mean the bad guys don't have guns there? I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Every school shooting we've ever heard about, read about, seen

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Speaker 3: broadcast about a bad guy's gotten a gun onto school

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Speaker 3: wouldn't a gun free zone. It's just there were a

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Speaker 3: place where no good guys could have guns. Only bad

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Speaker 3: guys had guns there. They go there on purpose because

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Speaker 3: they know good guys don't have guns there, and they

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Speaker 3: kill as many people as they possibly can. But it's

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Speaker 3: not gun free because bad guys carry guns there. There's

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Speaker 3: no such thing as a gun free zone. What you

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Speaker 3: need to avoid those places where only bad guys can

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Speaker 3: have guns, and that's exactly what House Bill twelve seventy

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Speaker 3: We'll come back for a very short segment before we

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Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on the Gun Guys

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. And we've got a very

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Speaker 3: short segment here. As I mentioned here, coming up in

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Speaker 3: church security that came up in the discussion with Representative Commons.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get more into that issue. In fact, I'm

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Speaker 3: speaking at a church security conference that is coming up

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be An Anderson in Indiana. We'll give you

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Speaker 3: the organizers of that of what they're trying to accomplish.

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Speaker 3: But that's something I'm passionate about. Listen, my dad retired.

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Speaker 3: You may have heard me say on the air before

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Speaker 3: and that's kind of how I was brought up. And

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Speaker 3: church security where there have been over and over. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we can sit here and we can I'm sure many

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Speaker 3: of the people listening to the show right now could

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Speaker 3: start ticking them off, could listen to them one after

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Speaker 3: the other. White Settlement, Texas it being a prime example,

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Speaker 3: and and and and many many many others as well.

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Speaker 3: Just recently shooting in a church attached to a school

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Speaker 3: where school children and teachers, uh and and and other

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Speaker 3: worshipers in church are getting shot. And it's something that's

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Speaker 3: near and dear to my heart, and so it's something

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Speaker 3: that bears a lot of discussion. Keeping people safe in church,

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Speaker 3: I think is absolutely essential. And listen, it's not news

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Speaker 3: to anyone, but there are people out there, whether because

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Speaker 3: they are religious zealots, whether because they're crazy, and any

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Speaker 3: number of other reasons, there are people there out there

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Speaker 3: who want to kill you simply because of how and

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Speaker 3: whom you worship. And so church curious of hugs. So

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Speaker 3: we'll get into that more here later on the show.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we're approaching the top of the hours. Time

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Speaker 3: three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom,

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Speaker 2: boom boom bang bang ban.

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Speaker 1: Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC, And welcome.

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Speaker 3: Back for our number two of The Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 3: here on ninety three WIBC. A little bit before the break,

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Speaker 3: we were talking about church security, as you've heard me

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Speaker 3: talk about over the years here on The Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 3: That is a topic that's near and dear to my heart.

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Speaker 3: Not just because my dad had a long, long career

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Speaker 3: as a Methodist pastor and that's really how and where

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Speaker 3: I grew up, but I've also been involved in training

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Speaker 3: a number of church security teams, and I'm working with

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Speaker 3: several teams around the state as we speak, and some

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Speaker 3: just want to hear information on when they are and

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Speaker 3: are not justified in using force, including deadly force. I

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Speaker 3: want to know the law in Indiana around things like

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Speaker 3: citizens arrest, which can come into play. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: someone creating a scene but not necessarily trying to kill

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Speaker 3: someone in your church. How do you deal with that?

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Speaker 3: When can you go hands on? When can you not?

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Speaker 3: It's a fairly detailed discussion, and I've worked with a

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Speaker 3: lot of churches on that issue. And I've dealt with

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Speaker 3: a lot of church security teams armed security teams to

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Speaker 3: get their team set up and then to actually train

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Speaker 3: on the deadly forced component of that actual firearms training.

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Speaker 3: Talk about coordinating as a team, communication issues, and how

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Speaker 3: does the team communicate, how does a team deal with

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Speaker 3: things like an active shooter within the confines of the

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Speaker 3: church or trying to get into the church any I've

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Speaker 3: worked with church security teams on all those different issues,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's something again that I'm passionate about, and

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Speaker 3: for that reason and others I'm happy to bring into

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Speaker 3: the show. We've got Tommy Meeks and Jimmy me excuse me,

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Speaker 3: forgive me it is Jimmy Meeks who's a who's with

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Speaker 3: I should say Bulletproof Ministries, Sheep Dog and Faith faith

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Speaker 3: based security and based out of Texas. But but but listen, Jimmy,

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Speaker 3: I I heard faith based ministry and uh, bulletproof ministries,

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Speaker 3: sheep dog. Those are all words that that mean a

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Speaker 3: lot to me, and so obviously I like what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: But you and I are both going to participate in

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Speaker 3: a conference just coming up a week from today, as

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Speaker 3: we wanted to bring you on. And have you talked

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Speaker 3: about that a little bit?

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Gay.

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Speaker 5: What a privilege to talk to a man who's in

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Speaker 5: his state with the greatest football team in the history

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Speaker 5: of Indianapolis or I mean new brguy of Indiana. What

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Speaker 5: a show to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Coming from somebody from Texas,

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Speaker 3: that means something that you're willing to offer that high praise.

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Speaker 5: I'm a diehard Razorback. Matter of fact, I'm back in

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Speaker 5: my hometown today in Arkansas, and I can remember we

711
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Speaker 5: used to win games too.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, well I'll tell you what. I had

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Speaker 3: a good, good, good friend from Arkansas for a lot

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Speaker 3: of years, uh, and I became sort of a Razorback

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Speaker 3: fan by proxy because I was so tight with a

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Speaker 3: good buddy for a lot of years. He's not with

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Speaker 3: us anymore. And but now thanks for your kind words.

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Speaker 3: But hey, let's talk about this conference coming up a

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Speaker 3: week from today in Anderson, Indiana, and I'll be there,

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Speaker 3: You'll be there. What are we trying to accomplish at

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Speaker 3: this conference?

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Speaker 5: Well, guy, I you know they say, if you want

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Speaker 5: to make God laugh, telling me your dreams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But I was a police I was a police officer

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Speaker 5: for thirty five years, about sixteen sixteen years ago when

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Speaker 5: I was a police officer in the foot Worth, Texas area.

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Speaker 5: I live in the foot Worth, Texas area, in the

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Speaker 5: suburb called Hurst. I was a police officer with Hirst

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Speaker 5: for thirty years and now I'm an elected the Fisher.

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Speaker 5: I'm a city councilan there. But about six years before retiring,

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Speaker 5: I put on a seminar for churches. You know, I

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Speaker 5: didn't know really what was going on. It just seemed

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Speaker 5: like a good idea and I had a packed house

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Speaker 5: about two hundred people and things began to happen. That

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Speaker 5: was five hundred seminars ago in forty states. And I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't know till later. And most people do not know this.

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Speaker 5: And you can only know that if you went out

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Speaker 5: and researched it. But more people, more people die of

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Speaker 5: violent death at a house of worship than they do

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Speaker 5: in school shootings, and most people don't know that. Now.

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Speaker 5: I say violent death because about seven or eight hundred

743
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Speaker 5: people have been shot to death at church, and another

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Speaker 5: four or five hundred have died in other means. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I know preachers who were burned to death. I know

746
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Speaker 5: preachers who were beaten to death. A preacher by my

747
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Speaker 5: house a few years ago was beaten to death with

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Speaker 5: a guitar inside his church. I know a preacher in

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Speaker 5: Oklahoma attacked on a Sunday morning before the service, and

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Speaker 5: she was slot on any other where to put it,

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Speaker 5: but she was stripped of her clothing and cutting to

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Speaker 5: pieces and laid in the rusified position and or hair

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Speaker 5: set on fire. Carol Daniels an Anti Darko, Oklahoma, and

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Speaker 5: I were south of Oklahoma City. So we tell people

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Speaker 5: all the time and I'm a long time minister. I'm

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Speaker 5: down the street from where I preached my first sermon

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Speaker 5: fifty three years ago. I'm a long time minister, and

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Speaker 5: I tell people all the time that I've read the

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Speaker 5: Bible through five hundred times. But I never noticed until

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Speaker 5: about fifteen years ago. But the Gospel of Matthew Jesus

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Speaker 5: said be on your guard. That's military language, be on

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Speaker 5: your guard against men. They will harm you in the

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Speaker 5: house of worship. And that just came alive to me

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Speaker 5: about fifteen years ago. Now, in all truthfulness is to

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Speaker 5: be true to the record, only about nine percent of

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Speaker 5: these deaths are related to persecution. I mean, people say

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Speaker 5: all the time, I appreciate what you do, Jimmy, because

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Speaker 5: you know they hate us as Christians. I say, well,

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Speaker 5: that's just not true. Only about you know, Fox said

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Speaker 5: nine percent, nine out of one hundred incidents was somebody

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Speaker 5: mad at them because they were believers or because of

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Speaker 5: their faith. Most of these were domestic violence. You know,

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Speaker 5: if you remember the massacre in Texas, No, remember the

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Speaker 5: Fifth twenty seventeen, He shot forty eight, killed twenty six. Sure,

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Speaker 5: he was mad at his mother in law. He didn't

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Speaker 5: care what they believed.

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Speaker 3: He was about that Sutherland Springs as I recall.

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Speaker 5: Him, Yeah, population, you know, one thousand, he walks in

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Speaker 5: there with a long rifle and while he's laughing, while

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Speaker 5: he's laughing, he shoots forty eight of the fifty three

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Speaker 5: people there. He kills twenty six and he did it

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Speaker 5: because he was mad at his mother in law. Like

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Speaker 5: I said, he was there five days earlier at the

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Speaker 5: church with everybody else. Nobody saw that coming. And I

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Speaker 5: should tell you too, a guy that that pastor Frank Palmerway,

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Speaker 5: he's a good friend of mine. His daughter was killed.

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Speaker 5: And the day before that happened November four of twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 5: he was in Oklahoma City at a training seminar and

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Speaker 5: he went to dinner with a man that night, November

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Speaker 5: the fourth, and that man asked him, are you keeping

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Speaker 5: up with all these shootings at churches? And Frank told him,

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Speaker 5: And this is on the front page of my website,

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Speaker 5: it's a video that I made. Frank said, I don't

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Speaker 5: keep up with that. We're a small country church. No

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Speaker 5: one would think to come to our church and do that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no one.

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Speaker 5: And that's just tears, jerk, And that just brings me

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Speaker 5: to tears. And I've sat down with him and he said, Jimmy,

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Speaker 5: that's what I said to him. And then the next morning,

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Speaker 5: about eleven o'clock, he gets a text saying there's been

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Speaker 5: a shooting at the church. He sends a text back

802
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Speaker 5: that says that's not funny. He gets one that says,

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Speaker 5: we're not kidding, and then he finds out his daughter

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Speaker 5: is dead, and twenty five others. It's worth noting also

805
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Speaker 5: got that the police did not get there for eighteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: Right, you had Stephen Williford, as I recall, I've had

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Speaker 3: many conversations. Yeah, you know, Stevens. I've had many calls.

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Speaker 3: I've never met him in person. We were supposed to

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Speaker 3: speak at a couple different events that I couldn't make

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Speaker 3: it to. I've spoken to him many times, especially after

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Speaker 3: I represented He like Dickon who stopped the mass shooting

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Speaker 3: in the Greenwood Park Mall here in Indiana. I remember

813
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Speaker 3: that and I helped him through that investigation. Steve Wilford

814
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Speaker 3: reached out to me. He wanted to make sure just

815
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Speaker 3: that Eli was doing okay and wanted to share his

816
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Speaker 3: experience in having been involved in stopping a mass shooting.

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Speaker 3: And I got to know him a bit through that.

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Speaker 3: But hey, you know when when police are minutes away, right,

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Speaker 3: second's count.

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Speaker 5: Now the police are only minutes away, and you know

821
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Speaker 5: Stephen was one hundred yards away.

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Speaker 7: And ran there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly what I've.

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Speaker 5: Been there I've been there three times. And you know,

825
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Speaker 5: she the daughter ran in the house and said, Daddy,

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Speaker 5: somebody shooting an ar fifteen at the church. And he

827
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Speaker 5: grabbed his and ran up there and hit me down

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Speaker 5: a red Dodge truck and he called him by name.

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Speaker 5: Well I'm sorry, he shouted, and the man came out

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Speaker 5: and got in the car and Stevens shot at him

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Speaker 5: six times, hit him three. It's interesting, two guy, because

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Speaker 5: Stephen told me, he said, you know, it wasn't really

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Speaker 5: a challenge hitting him because Stephen, most people don't know

834
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Speaker 5: because people Stephen had been shooting guns and training for

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Speaker 5: twenty five years. So all these folks and I meet

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Speaker 5: him all the time. I've done five hundred seminars. Have

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Speaker 5: you on church safety team and you haven't shot your

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Speaker 5: gun since the Civil War? You need to get off

839
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Speaker 5: that team.

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Speaker 3: I talked to those guys.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, here's anything else I've said up there today. Please,

842
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Speaker 5: if you don't practice, get off the team. You're a

843
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 5: disaster waiting to happen. Yeah, even that twenty five years

844
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Speaker 5: of training, half his life, he knew what he was doing.

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Speaker 5: I've been in his house, I've seen his guns. I

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Speaker 5: know what this man is like, and you know, he's

847
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Speaker 5: a wonderful, godly, sweet talking man. He's this incredible guy.

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Speaker 5: But I do these seminars all the time, these guys

849
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Speaker 5: carrying guns and they don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Now, how about Jack Wilson from White Settlement, Texas stopped.

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Speaker 5: A friend of mine, Jackie, been training forty.

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Speaker 3: Years, yeah, forty years well, and made a headshot from

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Speaker 3: fifteen yards forty five feet away across the seat exactly right,

854
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Speaker 3: and with one shot went seven seconds exactly right outside.

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Speaker 3: There were a whole bunch of us. There were a

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Speaker 3: whole bunch of us in rangers trying to simulate that

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Speaker 3: shot without screaming people, without people ducking down in front

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Speaker 3: of us. Who are you know in the church. A

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Speaker 3: lot of us were just trying to make that headshot

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Speaker 3: from forty five feet away in that amount of time.

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Speaker 3: And that's not an easy thing to do. And Jack

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Speaker 3: did that and something that will always make him a

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Speaker 3: hero in my book.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's, you know, like with Stephen twenty five years

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Speaker 5: of training, Jack had forty years of training. But the

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Speaker 5: downside of these things too, guys, many people forget this.

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Speaker 5: If you have a tragedy at your church that if

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Speaker 5: you had a team that could have prevented it, you're

869
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Speaker 5: not going to recover quickly. Let let me point to

870
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 5: the other side of this, Jack Wilson's church, and he

871
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 5: was at his falling apart. They're barely hanging on by

872
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: a thread. Stephen Wiliford. That church has already split in two.

873
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 5: They built them a new I don't know, four or

874
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 5: five million dollar building. I went down there the first

875
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 5: sunday they had it. I listened to Governor Governor Abbott

876
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 5: preached a sermon. I smiled at Senator Cornyn. I saw

877
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 5: the other ones. It all looks so wonderful that they'd

878
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 5: all come together, but they really never recovered from that.

879
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: And now that church is split. Jimmy, Jimmy, let me lets.

880
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me stop you there, brother, and just for

881
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: a moment, we need to take a break. We we

882
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: have always have to pay the bills around here. But

883
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: can you stick around because I want to get into

884
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: the details of this conference, because you and I can

885
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 3: get can I would love to sit around and have

886
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: a beer with you sometimes because we get we can

887
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: go into the weeds on a lot of these situations

888
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 3: and whatnot. But the beverage of your choice. And UH,

889
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: but in the meantime, I really want to let people

890
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: know what's going on with this conference in Anderson, what

891
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: you and I are both going to try to accomplish

892
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: there and uh, and then wrap it up a bit

893
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: if you can stick around, because right now when you

894
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 3: take awesome, Right now when you to take a break.

895
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

896
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 3: ninety three WYBC.

897
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: He is a Second Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified

898
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: Firearms instructor. He's the Gun Guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

899
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: three w YPC.

900
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Guys Show

901
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: on ninety three WIBC. And we're talking to Jimmy Meeks

902
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 3: who's with Sheep Dog Ministries and this is part of

903
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: Bulletproof Ministries, and we he and I are both going

904
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: to participate in a in a church security conference coming

905
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 3: up a week from today. Come me and Anderson, Indiana,

906
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: and Jimmy tell folks what it is that we're going

907
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 3: to try to accomplish at this uh, at this conference

908
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: coming up a week from today.

909
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, the place they need to go is Bulletproof

910
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 5: Worship dot Com. That's what we're calling that bulletproof out gotcha.

911
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: I think I think I bastardized that a little bit.

912
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: But I'm good. I'm glad you got that out there.

913
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 5: And you can just click on the one that says,

914
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: you know, next Saturday and Anderson and the church is

915
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 5: charging forty dollars because they're going to fix your lunch

916
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 5: and you know, take care of expenses involved. But well,

917
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 5: we'll talk about you and me and the sheriff will

918
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 5: be there now, you know to you're already so I've

919
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 5: never worked with you or the sheriff. Now. My focus

920
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 5: is I want people to know exactly what they need

921
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 5: to do. I've been doing this so long now, five

922
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 5: hundred of these things. And guy, I don't know whether

923
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 5: you know it or not, but forty five years ago

924
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 5: I was married in the church where a man walking

925
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 5: on a Sunday morning shouted, this is war and shot

926
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: fifteen and killed five.

927
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 3: I did not move.

928
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 5: And as matter of fact that we have a movie

929
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 5: out about it right now that's doing real well called

930
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 5: Faith under Fire. You can watch it on Prime Amazon.

931
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 5: And I don't make any money from that. I'm not

932
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 5: trying to make I don't make a dime from it,

933
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 5: but they've never recovered. It's been forty five years and

934
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 5: they've never recovered. But what I focus on in these

935
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 5: seminars is I've learned that people need to do the

936
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 5: one oh one part guy. They need to know what

937
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 5: to do. So I show them, here's what you do

938
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 5: when you get to church. Here's the first thing you

939
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 5: do before you go on the door. Here's where you

940
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 5: station yourself, Here's where you need to be. All these

941
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 5: killers are doing the same thing. This is not rocket science.

942
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 5: And I know a lot of people that are doing

943
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 5: these seminars and I sometimes want to ask, and what

944
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 5: are you telling these people? You know, you don't need

945
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 5: to have a seminar on what to do if you

946
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 5: have bad weather, my goodness, get on Twitter and tell

947
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 5: them don't come. You need to show them how to

948
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 5: stop these shooters. And we're also going to deal with

949
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 5: sex crimes. Sex crimes are in the thousands. That's about

950
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 5: anywhere from three to five thousand incidents a year where

951
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 5: people are being victimized in sexual assault in a church

952
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 5: related setting. We'll show you. I'll show you how to

953
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 5: stop these things, but I'll show you here's where you

954
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 5: need to be you know, stationed. Here's what you need

955
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 5: to do. You know, here's what you need to do

956
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 5: when church is over. Don't leave until the pastor's gone.

957
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 5: Everything that we give is based on this is what

958
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 5: has been happening. These are how these people are dying.

959
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 5: If you do these things. I'm just real confident in

960
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 5: my message that if you will do what I tell

961
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 5: you to do here, you're going to have a better

962
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 5: chance of stopping these guys. And then we'll also talk

963
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 5: about what to do during the week. Guy, I don't

964
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 5: think I've said this yet, but sixty five percent of

965
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 5: this violence at churches happens during the week. It's not

966
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 5: Sunday morning. There's only been eighteen massacres at churches in

967
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 5: the last fifty years, eighteen times with over four hundred

968
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 5: and fifty five million church services a year. That's not,

969
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: you know, epidemic proportion, but sixty five percent of the

970
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 5: violence occurs during the week. So we'll show you here's

971
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 5: what you need to do during the week, and we

972
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 5: try to help churches break through. And I want to

973
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 5: be careful how I say this, guy, but a religious

974
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 5: mindset can really keep you from exercising common sense. Does

975
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 5: that make sense?

976
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: I think it does, And in fact, there's in a

977
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 3: question I wanted to ask you because something I've heard

978
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: when people have come to me and wanted to get

979
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 3: my input and or training from me for their church

980
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 3: security team. I've had people say, for instance, well, you know,

981
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: we've met on this and as a church, and we've

982
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: prayed on it, and we've decided we want to have

983
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: a security team, but we're just not really comfortable with

984
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 3: having our security team be armed.

985
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 5: And you're not going to off these guys off you.

986
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 5: I know, we're all tired of that saying. You know,

987
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 5: a good guy with a gun is best waited to

988
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 5: deal with a bad guy with a gun, But you're

989
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 5: not gonna stop somebody who comes in with a gun,

990
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 5: you know, by tackling it. Now, there has been some exceptions,

991
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 5: but you look at the Stephen Williford's and the Jack

992
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 5: Wilson's if you want to have a chance, think of

993
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 5: the New Life Church, Colorado Springs shooting, December nine, two

994
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 5: thousand and seven. He pulls up, it's ten minutes after one,

995
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 5: the church is over. He gets out with a log

996
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 5: rifle and they had no big old church ten thousand people.

997
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 5: Nobody at the door, and they would have seen him

998
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 5: coming with the rifle. He shoots a friend of mine,

999
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 5: David Works. He kills two of his four daughters. Can

1000
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 5: you imagine, guy, you come to church with four children,

1001
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 5: but you only can go home and two because the

1002
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 5: other two are dead. The other two are dead they had.

1003
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 5: If I sound like I'm choking up, it's only because

1004
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 5: I'm choking up. That was so preventable if somebody would

1005
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 5: have been at the door. How do you have a

1006
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 5: church safety team and not cover the You have you

1007
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 5: met it one?

1008
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: Jimmy, Have you met a guy named Ed Munk? I've

1009
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 3: heard about him.

1010
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 5: I think I've talked to him one time, but I've

1011
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 5: heard about him. I wish I had a dollar every

1012
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 5: time I've heard that name.

1013
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you what he has just come out

1014
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: with it. He published a book. I've met him a

1015
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: number of times, and he let me come to his

1016
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: school security conference. But frankly, everything we're talking about and

1017
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: everything we're going to talk about a week from today

1018
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 3: and Anderson, it fits perfectly with with with his discussion

1019
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: because what he and he's a gentleman, also had a

1020
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: law enforcement background, military background, there was a teacher for

1021
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: a while and got very very interested in school security

1022
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 3: and studying mass shootings. And he decided to study every

1023
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 3: single mass shooting in this country as far back as

1024
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: he could find records, including school shootings, but beyond that, churches, malls,

1025
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 3: you name it, and and and he said something at

1026
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: the conference I attended, and this was several hours long.

1027
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: He at one point he said, listen, He said, I

1028
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: can tell you. You give me the you give me,

1029
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 3: you give me, give me two variables. I'll tell you

1030
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: how many casualties wounded and dead within within a range

1031
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: you're gonna have from any given mass shooting event. He goes,

1032
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: It's determined one hundred percent by two things, time and math.

1033
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: And he said, he said, what do I mean by time?

1034
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: He said, the amount of time it takes for someone

1035
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: who's willing and capable to deliver ruthless, ruthless, deadly force

1036
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 3: to to stop that threat. He said, the amount of

1037
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 3: time that person has before they're met with with with

1038
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: with a willingness and a capacity to deliver ruthless, deadly force.

1039
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: He goes. Beyond that, he goes, I'll tell you how many,

1040
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: how many casualties you're gonna have you give me how

1041
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: many potential victims are on site, how much time it

1042
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: takes for the second gun to arrive. I'll tell you

1043
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 3: how many casualties you're going to have. And I'm sitting

1044
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 3: there with these bunch of school security people, including principles

1045
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: and others, and a lot of them were there to

1046
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: basically preach that they don't want guns in their schools.

1047
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: They're all looking at each other and their mouths are

1048
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: hanging open. And in Ed's book, he just came out

1049
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: with it's called The First thirty Seconds, and you would

1050
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 3: love this, Jimmy, you probably could have written something similar

1051
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: frankly from this discussion, but you would love this book.

1052
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: It's called the First thirty Seconds, and it's exactly what

1053
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: we're talking about.

1054
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 5: Well, guy, I have the tape of the I found

1055
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 5: a tape a few years ago, the audio of the

1056
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 5: shooting that took place the church I was married at

1057
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 5: in East Texas, and the tape is thirty one seconds long,

1058
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 5: oh man, thirty one seconds. But the biggest challenge school

1059
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 5: principles and stuff and pastors and church leaders is and

1060
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 5: once again they you know, they just don't get it.

1061
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 5: They have more concerns sometimes for the I don't know.

1062
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 5: I don't want to say this wrong, but I I

1063
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 5: tell pastors, well, why don't you just love your people?

1064
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 5: And that offends them and they said, what do you mean,

1065
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 5: we do love our people. I said, now, the Bible

1066
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 5: says love all these protects. And then they don't know

1067
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 5: what to say. You know, first Corinthians thirteen. I mean

1068
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 5: even the Pagans know that chapter. That's the love chapter,

1069
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 5: and it says love always protects. You know, guy, you

1070
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 5: wouldn't You wouldn't take your five year old of Walmart

1071
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 5: and tell them I'm gonna leave you in the toy section.

1072
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 5: I'll be on the other side of the store becomp

1073
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 5: those groceries.

1074
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: Mamba wanting exactly.

1075
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 5: You know, I have a neighbor. Her name is Donna.

1076
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 5: You don't know her, but you know her daughter. Her

1077
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 5: daughter's name is Amber Hagerman, for whom the Amber Alert

1078
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 5: is named. He kidnapped that girl, kept her life for

1079
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 5: three days, and tortured her and at some point, pastors,

1080
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 5: school administrators, church leaders, you have to wake up to

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Speaker 5: the world that we live in. School shootings have been

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Speaker 5: taking place since seventeen sixty four, when the first one

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Speaker 5: occurred ten students shot in the principal and at some

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Speaker 5: point you have to say, you know, I love my people.

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Speaker 5: There's only been about two school shootings that occurred at

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Speaker 5: a school where there was an arms person. There. These

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00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 5: killers coming to your church, your schools. They don't want

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Speaker 5: to shoot out. They want a body count.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's why. That's why they're looking for a gun

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Speaker 3: free zone. Exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're looking for a gun free zone. They don't

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Speaker 5: want that. So I would encourage the people to you know,

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Speaker 5: I've done five hundred seminars, guy, and I don't know

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Speaker 5: what you're going to share. I've heard great things about you,

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00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 5: but every time I do a seminar, nobody's gonna leave

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Speaker 5: with questions.

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Speaker 3: You do I love that?

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Speaker 5: No, I know my stuff. This is this is the

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Speaker 5: life that God has given me. I did not ask

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Speaker 5: for this life. I'd rather I'm retired. I'm supposed to

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Speaker 5: be laying on the couch while my wife waits on me,

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Speaker 5: and that's just it's just not happened. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to drive all the way up there and

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Speaker 5: back two thousand miles to come share with the people.

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00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 5: So I'll even go so far as to say this,

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Speaker 5: everybody up there, what I'm going to share with you

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Speaker 5: is a thousand times more important whether or not Indiana,

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Speaker 5: Indiana beats Miami on Monday Night.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 5: I'll take it that far.

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Speaker 3: I got you, Jimmy Meeks. Let's leave it with this.

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Speaker 3: How can people find more information or even sign up

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00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: to attend this conference that you and I are both

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00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: going to anticipate in a week from today in Anderson, Indiana.

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00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 5: Well just get on the web and go to Bulletproof

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00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 5: Worship bu l l e tproofworship dot com and you'll

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00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 5: see it. Just you know, spend a few seconds looking.

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00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 5: Don't say you can't find it because it's their bulletproof

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00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 5: worship dot com. Or if they want to call my number,

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Speaker 5: I'm at eight one seven, I'm in the foot Worth

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Speaker 5: THEREA four three seven nine six nine three. I'll sign

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 5: you up. You'll need your credit card because we need

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00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 5: that forty bucks to pay all these expenses. But I'm

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00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 5: sure you could go to bulletproof worship dot com. Bulletproof

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Speaker 5: worship dot com. It won't take you a minute to

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Speaker 5: throw you and we don't ask a lot of questions,

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00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 5: just what's your name, you know, give us your car

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Speaker 5: and it's done. You should be in and out in

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Speaker 5: a minute. But what you're going to learn, folks, is

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Speaker 5: you're going to learn how to save lives? How do

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 5: I how do I put that? So please go to

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Speaker 5: Bulletproof Worship dot com and get there next Saturday. Yes,

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Speaker 5: we'll be there for about eight hours, seven hours, but

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Speaker 5: you're going to come out there. I mean, there are

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Speaker 5: a peace people that I'll think of that shooting at

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Speaker 5: that mall a few years ago. That kid carried that

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Speaker 5: gun in there. That was a gun free zone if

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Speaker 5: I remember correctly.

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Speaker 3: Guy that was the mall had a.

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Speaker 5: Big You would like to meet that guy if you could.

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Speaker 5: I've thought about him a thousand times. If you can

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Speaker 5: ever arrange that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, I'll tell you what. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: bring you a T shirt because Eli Dickon and I

1145
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: collaborated on this, and the money all goes either the

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Speaker 3: Two Way Project, a nonprofit gun rights group, and the

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Speaker 3: other half goes to Eli to help him in his journey.

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Speaker 3: But we have a we have a shirt and on

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Speaker 3: the front it says fifteen seconds because that's how long.

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Speaker 3: That's how long it took for Eli to stop that

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Speaker 3: mass shooting.

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Speaker 5: And that's his name, right, guy, His name is Eli, right.

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Speaker 3: Eli Dicken is his name. That's why a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are doing this so called Dickon drill all across

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Speaker 3: the country trying to to to do what he did

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Speaker 3: in fifteen seconds. But he stopped that mass shooting in

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Speaker 3: fifteen and listen, three people tragically lost their lives. And

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Speaker 3: I don't everyon want to lose sight of that, but

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Speaker 3: that person had over one hundred rounds of AMMO and

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Speaker 3: a chest rig He had thirty rounds in his magazine

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Speaker 3: when he started with as a are and he killed

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Speaker 3: three people, and he would have killed a hundred if

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Speaker 3: it wasn't for Eli Dickon, and he stopped that mass

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Speaker 3: shooting in fifteen seconds. It goes and Ed Munk go

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Speaker 3: back to that point, uses that as one of his

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Speaker 3: prime examples. He goes, it's about time and math. You

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Speaker 3: had Eli Dickon in a gun free zone, willing to

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Speaker 3: apply ruthless, deadly force when it was called for, and

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Speaker 3: he saved dozens and dozens and dozens alive. So that's

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Speaker 3: what our goal is going to be, is to set

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Speaker 3: more people up for that kind of success and to

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Speaker 3: limit the tragedy we otherwise are going to see. And Jimmy,

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to meet you and shake your hand.

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Speaker 3: I already feel like you're a brother, and I.

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Speaker 5: Can't help but think that there ought to be another

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Speaker 5: movement too, that every killer needs to hear. In the

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Speaker 5: words of three Dollar Night, Eli's coming.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I'll tell you what. We'll leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Jimmy Meeks, thank you. We'll see it.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you a week from today. And folks, I

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Speaker 3: encourage you to come out. I'd love to see you there.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we're past the bottom of the Hour's time

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Speaker 3: to take a break, This says Guy Ralford on The

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Speaker 3: Gun Guy on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to the Gun Guy Show here on

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Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC. I'll tell you what I was looking

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Speaker 3: forward to participating in this church security conference a week

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Speaker 3: from day up in Anderson. I'm definitely looking forward to

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Speaker 3: it now. And after having that segment with Jimmy Meeks,

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Speaker 3: I have not met Jimmy in person before. In fact,

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Speaker 3: that on the air was first time off talked to him,

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what, what a great guy and

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Speaker 3: I know he's going to have a tremendous amount to

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Speaker 3: share as I am at this conference. So if you're

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Speaker 3: interested in that again, you can go to cheap Ministries

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Speaker 3: is what I heard. And you ought to be able

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Speaker 3: to register for that. I'll get those links and put

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Speaker 3: them on both my Facebook and my Twitter feed or

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Speaker 3: X and you'll be able to see those links to

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Speaker 3: sign up for this conference. I'll do that both on

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Speaker 3: X or Twitter and on Facebook. I'm just at Guy

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Speaker 3: Relford in both places. But I'll say what, let's go

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Speaker 3: back to the phone lines, and we've got Kelly Myers.

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Speaker 3: Kelly and I have worked together for a long long time.

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Speaker 3: Kelly is co director of Legislative Affairs the Indiana State

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Speaker 3: Rifle and Pistol Association and my organization, the two A Project.

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Speaker 3: We've been out there as is RPA has been right

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Speaker 3: out front working with NRA, as isrpa's national organization trying

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Speaker 3: to get Pro two A legislation pastor in Indiana, trying

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Speaker 3: to protect Indiana gun owners from Anti two A legislation,

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Speaker 3: which we've been universally successful in doing for a lot

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Speaker 3: of years, and we want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 3: about what's going on in this legislative session as particularly

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Speaker 3: where we'd like some public support and public input. And

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Speaker 3: first of all, Kelly, welcome back. You've been on many times,

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Speaker 3: you've called in several times, but welcome back to the

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Speaker 3: Gungeih show.

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Speaker 7: It's good to be back, guy. Thank you for having

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Speaker 7: me on.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so as far as the priority list in terms

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Speaker 3: of what we're trying to get accomplished in the Indiana

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Speaker 3: General Assembly this session, it's a short session, and there's

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Speaker 3: other things the legislature's focused on to some degree, but

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Speaker 3: what are we trying to get done on the two

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Speaker 3: A side of things?

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Speaker 7: Well, from the State Rifle and Pistol Association, Number number

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Speaker 7: one A has to be Senate Bill one seventy six

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Speaker 7: that is Regulation of Firearms and Shooting Ranges. What this is,

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Speaker 7: it's a Senator Jim Thoms introduced this bill and it's

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Speaker 7: kind of the new front. Charley Hilltoon and president of

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Speaker 7: the BIAS RPA, he's taken lead on this one. He

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Speaker 7: is very familiar with it. It is they come in

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Speaker 7: and they basically try to put ranges out of business

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Speaker 7: because of lead remediation. And what they're saying is they

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Speaker 7: have to do it so often it's they can't afford

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Speaker 7: to keep the range open. And per Charlie, you know,

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Speaker 7: this is kind of the new front. It's where the

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Speaker 7: Brady Bunch lawyers and everytown lawyers are now going at it.

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Speaker 7: He has already been involved and is, like I said,

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Speaker 7: he's taking point on this one. Plus I know nothing

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Speaker 7: about zoning, so it's probably a good thing he is

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Speaker 7: another one. Now I'm not saying.

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Speaker 3: Kelly, let me interrupt you there, buddy, if you don't mind,

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Speaker 3: forgive me, let me back you up. What's the status

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Speaker 3: of that bill? What's the number? Again? Would repeat that

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Speaker 3: for us? And what's the status is? Except we're hearing

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Speaker 3: can people show up? Where we're going with the gun

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Speaker 3: range bill?

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Speaker 7: Seventh Bill one seventy six. It is assigned to Corrections

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Speaker 7: and criminal Law in the Senate. Of course, that is

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Speaker 7: Senator Aaron Freeman, who is the chair. I'm not saying

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Speaker 7: I might have ambushed him at the fifteen hundred yesterday,

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Speaker 7: but I was strategically placed to wait for him to

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Speaker 7: come out of the out of the promoter's office and

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Speaker 7: just happened to be standing there. So I did mention

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Speaker 7: these this bill, and there's another, Jim Tom's Bill one

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Speaker 7: seventy seven Return of Firearm to Rightful Owner, that is,

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Speaker 7: to where as part of a plea agreement they're not

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Speaker 7: taking people's firearms when they're not a prohibited possessor. I

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Speaker 7: spoke with him briefly about it, and he said he

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Speaker 7: hadn't talked to Senator Tom's yet, but he's sure he

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Speaker 7: would be. So I would look for this one, not

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Speaker 7: this week but next week to be up in Senator

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Speaker 7: Freeman's committee.

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Speaker 3: You know, one thing that I get calls on it

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Speaker 3: seems like weekly. That's probably an exaggeration. But about return

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Speaker 3: of Firearms to Rightful Owner, you know, IMPD has been

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Speaker 3: just horrible and it's intentional there, I think essentially trying

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Speaker 3: to steal guns from people. You can be the victim

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Speaker 3: of a crime where you know someone you had to

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 3: break in of your vehicle or of your home, you

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01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 3: were mugged on the street, whatever it might be. Your

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Speaker 3: gun gets stolen, or let's say you were even arrested,

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Speaker 3: but but your gun was seized in a way that

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Speaker 3: where the gun had nothing to do with the crime.

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Speaker 3: Let's say you just had a duo on your way home,

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Speaker 3: happen to have a gun in the car. They'll seize

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Speaker 3: your gun. Your case is over. It's not evidence in

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Speaker 3: the case. It's irrelevant. Or like I said, you could

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Speaker 3: have been the victim of a crime and that case

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Speaker 3: is over. It's not needed for evidence. And I MPD

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Speaker 3: is taking years consistently to return guns to people and

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Speaker 3: refusing to give them back if unless you can produce

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Speaker 3: at least a copy of your original receipt? How many

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Speaker 3: how many of my guns that I owned do I

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Speaker 3: have an original receipt for? I mean some I bought

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Speaker 3: from individuals, some I inherited, some I built. I didn't

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Speaker 3: keep all the receipts from each component that I bought

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Speaker 3: to build that gun. And and IMPD he's going to say, no, sorry,

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Speaker 3: you can't prove it's yours, even though we took it

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Speaker 3: out of your car when we pulled you over, or

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Speaker 3: even though you gave us a serial number and identified

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Speaker 3: the gun after it was stolen out of your vehicle

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Speaker 3: or stolen from your home. We know it was yours,

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Speaker 3: but we will not give it back to you without

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Speaker 3: that receipt and we're going to run ballistics on it,

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Speaker 3: which can take years and years and years to even

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Speaker 3: get through the queue on that. Does Sontor Thomas bill

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Speaker 3: on return firearms to right full owner with that address

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Speaker 3: some of those issues that we've seen with IMPD and

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Speaker 3: other departments around the state.

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Speaker 7: I think this is strictly as part of a plea agreement.

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Speaker 7: It looks like, ok it's a very short bill, so

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Speaker 7: it sounds like, Okay, we'll do this plea agreement, but

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Speaker 7: you have to surrender your firearms. Well are they Oh?

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Speaker 3: I got you, sir?

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Speaker 7: If not? Yeah, it looks like a step in right direction,

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Speaker 7: but not going after the property room in IMPD, which

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Speaker 7: I don't. Richard Essex get an outstanding job covering that, and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I worked with him. I was, I was on that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the longest TV news appearance I ever had.

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Speaker 3: I was on there for a lot of minutes talking

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Speaker 3: with Richard Essex about that way. You know, let's put

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Speaker 3: that on the list, Kelly for I s R p

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Speaker 3: A and I'll be glad to take lead through the

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Speaker 3: two way project. We I think state legislation is the

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Speaker 3: way to go. We're never going to fix it at

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Speaker 3: impd uh and with the with the Mayor's office. We're

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Speaker 3: especially not going to do it during the Hogshead administration.

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Speaker 3: But these these people are stealing guns from people and uh,

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Speaker 3: and that's something that we need to address as well.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what have you got? Have you

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Speaker 3: got time to come back for for our last segment here,

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Speaker 3: because I know there's more bills we want to talk about. Uh,

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Speaker 3: we got to take a break. We'll come back and

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Speaker 3: we'll wrap up this edition of the show with Kelly Myers,

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Speaker 3: co director of Legislative Affairs for i s RPA Indiana

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Speaker 3: State Rifle and Pistol Association, talking about what's going on

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Speaker 3: in the General Assembly when we come back. This is

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Speaker 3: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Second to none on this second Amendment. This is the

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Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. We're talking to Kelly Myers,

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Speaker 3: co director of Legislative Affairs for Indiana State Rafe and

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Speaker 3: Pistol Association. And Kelly, we've only got about three and

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Speaker 3: a half minutes or so on a prioritized basis, what

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Speaker 3: else are we working on? What would IRPA like to

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Speaker 3: see done in this legislative session.

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Speaker 7: Well, you had Representative Commons on earlier with Houseville twelve

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Speaker 7: seventy four. That is something I don't think I had

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Speaker 7: ever considered. But with the a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 7: we were there when we went against credit card processors

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Speaker 7: who were discriminating against gun stores, people purchasing guns, trainers,

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Speaker 7: and so we see that something that could definitely be

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Speaker 7: a problem. And I see it's the s up for

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Speaker 7: a committee on two Tuesday. I'm going to do everything

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Speaker 7: to be that for hearing on Tuesday. It sounds like

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Speaker 7: you have to be in Bartholomew County or your client

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Speaker 7: might be handcuffed.

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Speaker 5: Or radiator out all way.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know if it works that way or not, but.

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Speaker 3: It certainly can. But yeah, I'm not going to I think,

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Speaker 3: be able to be there. But you know what if

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Speaker 3: it passes out and it makes its way over to

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Speaker 3: the Senate. Because Representative Commons and I talked about a

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Speaker 3: potential amendment in the Senate too. In fact, he and

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Speaker 3: I were texting back and forth about a potential Senate sponsor.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to get involved in that because I

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Speaker 3: agree with you. I think that one needs to be done.

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Speaker 3: We can't have insurance companies dictating policies to businesses based

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Speaker 3: on allowing people to have the capacity to defend themselves

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Speaker 3: when they're at that business.

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Speaker 7: Yep. If they own the building, if they lease the building,

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Speaker 7: then it's their house, their rules. But if not, no,

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Speaker 7: we need to put the brakes on that. And now

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Speaker 7: this week, with the session moving so fast, House Build

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Speaker 7: twelve twenty one, which is antique firearms. Now, this was

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Speaker 7: pushed National Shooting Sports Foundation Christopher Lee, not the man

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Speaker 7: with the Golden Gun, the other one was behind this bill,

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Speaker 7: and it is aligning Indiana code with the US Code

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Speaker 7: on what does then does not come under the Gun

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Speaker 7: Control Act of sixty eight. That requires nixt check.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we're dealing with antique firearms.

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Speaker 7: Correct, just correct cap'n ball like a cap'in ball eighteen

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Speaker 7: sixty revolver, you know. And there's a few exceptions like

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Speaker 7: your Thompson Center Pro hunter I think it is. You

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Speaker 7: pull two pins and you can make it a center

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Speaker 7: fire rifle or it can be a muzzleoader. That one

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Speaker 7: is excluded from it, but most of your other antiques,

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Speaker 7: you know, made before eighteen ninety nine, or a replica

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Speaker 7: of such a gun that doesn't take fixed cartridges eighteen

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Speaker 7: sixty Army Colt, which Ubert I think makes some replicas

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Speaker 7: of those. Yeah, if you're a gang member, Yeah, I

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Speaker 7: want this gun with an eight inch barrel that weighs

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Speaker 7: about two and a half pounds before you load it. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and you better measure the powder rider it might blow

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Speaker 7: up on you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that one is a priority, like you said, for

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Speaker 3: the National Shooting Sports Foundation, And it's because we really

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Speaker 3: see a disconnect between state law and federal law on

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Speaker 3: what is or isn't an antique firearm. Is that a

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Speaker 3: good way to summarize that, Kelly, Yes?

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Speaker 7: And definitely what is Indiana code covers more that has

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Speaker 7: to go through a background check or a Knicks check

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Speaker 7: than the US code. So you're going to through NIX

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Speaker 7: on it. Who is then going to say, why are

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Speaker 7: you calling this in? This does not require one, and

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Speaker 7: it puts the FFL in a bad position because they

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Speaker 7: need to have a good relationship with the people at NIX,

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Speaker 7: and I'm thinking they're very busy because you know, you

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Speaker 7: get record numbers of Knicks checks every month, it seems like,

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Speaker 7: so we don't need to send more work their way

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Speaker 7: than they're already busy.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I gotta tell you what. And Kelly, we got

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Speaker 3: to leave it there. We're at the end of the segment,

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Speaker 3: but thanks so much. We'll check back with you guys

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Speaker 3: as a session goes forward. Right now, we're signing out.

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Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gunk Guy Show on

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Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.