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Speaker 1: Joining us in studio The Traffic Beast, Matt Bear. Matt,

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Speaker 1: you joined us a little bit yesterday to talk about

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Speaker 1: the latest in this Jim Ersay story.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to that and reset that here

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Speaker 2: in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: But first things first, I think the biggest story in

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Speaker 1: Central Indie right now is the weather and what it's

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Speaker 1: going to look like this weekend.

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Speaker 2: We heard from Marcus Bailey.

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Speaker 1: Earlier sounds like we're going to get two different waves

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Speaker 1: of this one to two inches and then a little

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Speaker 1: pause and then overnight Saturday just dumping some heavy snow

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Speaker 1: on us.

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Speaker 2: What do we need to know as we head out

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Speaker 2: if we have to head out this.

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Speaker 3: Weekend, we need to know be careful with morning rush

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Speaker 3: coming on Monday morning, that morning commute could be really slompy.

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Speaker 3: So allow yourself extra time, you know, do the thing

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Speaker 3: we're talking about. Whatever the snow comes in like this,

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Speaker 3: And I know it's travel conditions, it's employment, it's keeping

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Speaker 3: your job, you know, making that money, make it the dollar.

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Speaker 3: But we can't forget about the cold either, because it

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Speaker 3: is dangerously cold outside right now and it's going.

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Speaker 4: To continue to be like this.

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Speaker 3: So not only allow extra time, Monday morning for the

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Speaker 3: commute in the snow and the you know lanes as

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Speaker 3: they get all confused on four sixty five. But also

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Speaker 3: packed something that'll keep you warm too, because we've had

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Speaker 3: a lot of stalls, a ton of stalls. We had

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Speaker 3: five of them this morning and during the last cold spill.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was December when we had that awful,

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Speaker 3: awful cold that came in a lot of breakdowns. So

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Speaker 3: do what you can to do with your car and

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Speaker 3: make sure it's ready for Monday morning rush hour. Now,

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Speaker 3: as far as tomorrow goes, I'm parking my car at

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Speaker 3: noon and I'm not getting.

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Speaker 4: It out until Monday morning. Again.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's just the way I'm gonna go. I've

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Speaker 3: done my errands today. I was in the Meyer parking lot.

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Speaker 3: That was a lot of fun Southport Road, baby, and

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Speaker 3: we we were successful. So I'm just a thunderdome.

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Speaker 4: Oh man.

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Speaker 3: Almost knocked over three shopping carts. Thankfully nobody was pushing them.

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Speaker 3: That was the benefit. But I thought, you're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna say, three old ladies, and you know what, what's

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Speaker 1: even gonna be mad at you?

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Speaker 2: Maybe they deserved it. I wasn't gonna judge you at all.

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Speaker 3: Matt, I've got a bag full of Social Security checks

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Speaker 4: Had a big day in the Meyer parking lot. It

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Speaker 4: was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Please take care of each other, you know, watch out

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Speaker 3: for each other and be careful when you drive to

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Speaker 3: work Monday. As far as the thing in Bloomington tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: the championship that's still on, I want to let everybody

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Speaker 3: know you can take I sixty nine up and down.

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Speaker 3: That looks pretty good right now, and it should be

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Speaker 3: good for the one to one thirty celebration that now.

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz rescheduled his event that he was supposed to

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Speaker 1: have tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: He moved that to late February.

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Speaker 4: I believe, yeah, and I'm happy for him on that.

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Speaker 4: It's still gonna be a magnicent event. But you know,

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Speaker 4: he's in the bulk of the storm.

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Speaker 3: You know, that event Downtown Indiana plis in the bulk

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Speaker 3: of the storm, and that's gonna go. I was just

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Speaker 3: gonna uber on over, but I was thinking to myself, yes,

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely gonna go, But do I even want to

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Speaker 3: take that uber and put this on somebody else? Because

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Speaker 3: downtown streets are bad enough when there's nuts snow on them.

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Speaker 1: Can I can I just give a little public service

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Speaker 1: announcement from a former college pizza delivery guy who's had

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Speaker 1: to deliver in this kind of stuff before. If somebody

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Speaker 1: is bringing you your food, whether they're a door dash

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Speaker 1: driver pizza delivery driver, you better tip the hell out

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Speaker 1: of them. Do not be the guy that calls and

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Speaker 1: complains I ordered my pizza an hour ago. It's not

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Speaker 1: here yet. Yeah, but there's also ten inches of snow outside.

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Speaker 1: How about you just be a little patient because I

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Speaker 1: promise it's probably.

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Speaker 4: On the way.

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Speaker 3: Dominos doesn't bring it a thirty minutes or less. No, no,

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Speaker 3: it would be happening. And Chick fil A's closed on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: It's be patient with everybody.

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Speaker 3: And I love the fact that you're talking about the

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Speaker 3: gratuity because we're already paying the service fees and sometimes

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Speaker 3: cool man.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday, Matt, we had the story that the FEDS

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Speaker 1: maybe looking into the death of long time Colts owner

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Speaker 1: Jim or Say, and there are a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: about whether doctors are going to be investigated. Here, take

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Speaker 1: me through your thoughts. You've had about twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: to let all of this sink in. And again, for

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Speaker 1: those who may be listening for the first time, you're

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Speaker 1: kind of our expert on this. You're part of the

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Speaker 1: Supporting Sobriety podcast where you and Ryan Hendrick of the Newsroom.

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Speaker 1: Both of you have had your battles with addiction of

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Speaker 1: various substances in the past. You do this podcast now

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Speaker 1: where you try to help families and those trying to

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Speaker 1: better themselves. Take me through your thoughts on the Ersay story.

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Speaker 3: Now, my thoughts are, Okay, they're investigating this doctor for

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Speaker 3: possibly potentially over prescribing, kind.

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Speaker 2: Of like the Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Thing, and kind of like the Michael Jackson thing, and

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Speaker 3: I have a couple of thoughts on it. Yeah, if

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Speaker 3: the doctor is found guilty of this, Heratunian I believe

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Speaker 3: that they're investigating right now the doctor for possibly over

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Speaker 3: prescribing Jim Mersey. There is also a signing of the

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Speaker 3: deaths Ortypica say natural causes on this, and my thoughts

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Speaker 4: Okay, what led to that natural cause? All right?

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Speaker 3: What led to the cardiac arrest? Because as a recovery alcoholic,

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Speaker 4: My hands would shake so bad.

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Speaker 3: My dts were so bad I could have gone into

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Speaker 3: listed as natural causes. So there's going to be a

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Speaker 3: And if that's the case, yes, throw the book at

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Speaker 3: the doctor. I have no problems with that. But as

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Speaker 3: love in my heart, is somebody that's relapsed multiple times,

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Speaker 3: mister erthsaying, as I understand it was clean at one

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Speaker 4: That's on us. That's on us.

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Speaker 3: If I go out here and I feel my bath

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Speaker 4: That's my relapse. And I would want to hope.

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Speaker 1: But you can fill a bathtub up without a prescription.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you could go home and just do that.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's got to give you a legal prescription that you

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Speaker 1: take to a pharmacy or a doctor provides to you.

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Speaker 2: That's either a shot or pills.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to this, I believe if precedent has

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Speaker 3: be It's tied up in court right now. But essentially,

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Speaker 3: you know, back in the nineties two thousand's, oxycotton was everywhere.

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Speaker 3: write it, any doctor would write vic it in hydro

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Speaker 3: And one of the big manufacturers, Perdue Farmer, owned by

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Speaker 3: the Slacker family, did this really clever marketing. They'd said,

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Speaker 3: and everything else. And they were soon for faulty advertising,

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Speaker 3: faulty marketing, and a lot of money is being paid out,

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Speaker 3: I believe for Purdue Farmer itself it's one billion dollars immediately.

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Speaker 3: In the Slacker family it was fifteen billion over fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: Now. This is still tied up in core.

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Speaker 3: But to me, that sets that President that yes, there

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Speaker 3: is some guilt here outside of just the addicted, outside

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Speaker 3: no problems whatsoever sue the hell or charging these doctors

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Speaker 1: Here's the doctor's still out there because one of the

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Speaker 1: arguments I hear is that the family just wants us

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Speaker 1: That's why they just said no autopsy. They want it

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Speaker 1: But this doctor is still out there, and you don't

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Speaker 4: No, you don't.

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Speaker 3: And that's why you know, the President has said, you know,

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Speaker 3: needs to move forward. On something like this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: If I want the drug, I'm gonna find it. I

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Speaker 3: codone race. Like another, Well do you think you're actually

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Speaker 3: getting that opial we want From the first time we.

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Speaker 4: Take that drug, we want it so badly. It is

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Speaker 3: And when we start into the withdraw symptoms, you know,

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Speaker 4: We're like, man, this sucks.

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Speaker 3: And if you have a stack full of money, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna go get that oxycuton and you're gonna get the

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Speaker 3: best kind. And if you have a buddy doctor who says, yeah,

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Speaker 3: those prescriptions. Man, I'm taking anywhere from twelve to fourteen

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm doing. I'm not saying that was what

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying me as my experience as the recovery addict,

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Speaker 3: I am getting that drug and for him, with those resources,

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Speaker 3: I don't see how it's a problem for him to

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Speaker 3: get that drug. So yes, bust the doctor if the

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Speaker 3: doctor needs to be busted. But we are the addicts

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Speaker 3: make the choice to use again.

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Speaker 1: Matt, We've got about thirty seconds here. What are you

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Speaker 1: working on these days? And if somebody's listening right now

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Speaker 1: and wants to talk to you, like, is that okay?

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Speaker 2: Can they reach out?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yeah? Yeah, man.

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Speaker 3: People have been doing it through Facebook Messenger. I do

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Speaker 3: have a messenger on my phone. I'm not a big

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Speaker 3: social media guy. I need to work on that. But

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Speaker 3: if you reach out me through Facebook Manager, I've had

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Speaker 3: several conversations with people through there. They've been productive, they've

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Speaker 3: been fruitful, and sometimes people make it, sometimes people don't.

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Speaker 3: But as a recovery alcohol and addict, that's always good

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Speaker 3: for me. So selfishly, I say, please reach out. That'd

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Speaker 3: be awesome, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, Thank you for being so candid.

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Speaker 1: Get some sleep, my friend, because I think Monday morning

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have your work cut out for you.

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Speaker 4: I've got the best people that work with me, I'm

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Speaker 4: blessed man. Thank you.

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