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Speaker 3: And good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guys Show

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Speaker 3: college football. Even tomorrow, Notre Dame plays on a Sunday night,

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Speaker 3: You don't tune in to the Gun Guy Show to

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Speaker 3: And since Ohio for the last few years has been

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Speaker 3: recognizing the Indiana license to carry handgun, then a lot

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Speaker 3: of us take our handguns with us when we go

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. So Vante Garrett is an

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Speaker 4: When you get pulled, when you get pulled over and

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Speaker 4: Well, the reason is the last time I got pulled over,

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Speaker 3: experienced ones, they've gotten to the point where they're used

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Speaker 3: to having guns and vehicles. It's just not a big deal,

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Speaker 3: especially anymore, and especially in Indiana. And in the last ten

435
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Speaker 3: years or so, I've had officers tell me they go, hell,

436
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: it's weird if there's not a gun in a car.

437
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: So they're very relaxed about it. And in one time,

438
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Speaker 3: I got pulled over for speeding on my way down

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Speaker 3: to the studio. Actually, I was on Fall Creek Boulevard

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Speaker 3: coming across and got pulled over. I was only like

441
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Speaker 3: eleven miles an hour over to speed limit there on

442
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Speaker 3: Fall Creek, and I thought, oh, really okay, And so

443
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: I pulled off on a little side street and the

444
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Speaker 3: guy pulled up behind me, and he was kind of rushed,

445
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: like he was in a hurry to get somewhere else.

446
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: And they handed him, you know, a license registration, proof

447
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Speaker 3: of insurance, and I put my license to carry right

448
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Speaker 3: on top. And I've done that a number of times before,

449
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: and the times I've done it, it's worked great because

450
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: an officer looks at it and says, oh, I take it.

451
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Speaker 3: There's a gun in the car, Yes, sir, there is.

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Speaker 3: Where is it? It's in a holster. I'm carrying an

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Speaker 3: appendix holster today. And just like Tim said, just now,

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Speaker 3: you know, I've had several officers because I drive a

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Speaker 3: little fast and sometimes I get pulled over. I've had

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Speaker 3: several officers say all right, let's just leave it where

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Speaker 3: it is, shall we? Or again i'd won an officer

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Speaker 3: with a smile on his face. He said, you won't

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Speaker 3: touch yours, I won't touch mine, and we both laughed

460
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Speaker 3: and went on about business. This officer, that IMPD that

461
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Speaker 3: pulled me off on Fall Creek or on Fall Creek Boulevard,

462
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Speaker 3: he looked at my license security goes, what did you

463
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Speaker 3: give me this for? I don't need this, and he

464
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Speaker 3: handed it back to me and he never mentioned the

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Speaker 3: gun again. But I think officers were experienced officers tend

466
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Speaker 3: to have that approach. Now, I think younger officers tend

467
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Speaker 3: to be just because they're younger and less experienced, and

468
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Speaker 3: they're a little more nervous about traffic stops and listen,

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Speaker 3: I've never been a cop, and I can't imagine what

470
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Speaker 3: it's like walk walking up I mean, if you're doing

471
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Speaker 3: this consistently, especially at night, walking up the window after window,

472
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Speaker 3: car after car, not knowing if you're going to be

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Speaker 3: met with a friendly smile or you know, the muzzle

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Speaker 3: of a gun. I mean, I understand that can be

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Speaker 3: a scary proposition, but in my mind that a lot

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Speaker 3: of the experienced officers are not when they know when

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Speaker 3: when someone is otherwise not presenting in any kind of

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Speaker 3: you know, alarm or threat to the officer and simply says, sir,

479
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Speaker 3: yes there's a gun in my car. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: let you know, most officers that are having the experience

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Speaker 3: at all don't react much to that, and that's certainly

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Speaker 3: been my experience. But in doing the show, I mean,

483
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Speaker 3: I've done I've done shows. I've done a complete two

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Speaker 3: hour show on traffic stops, and it's really kind of

485
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Speaker 3: fascinating because people keep calling in with with story after story,

486
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Speaker 3: just like Tim just did, of what happened to them,

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Speaker 3: and it can really vary. I had one person this

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Speaker 3: is probably five or six years ago, you know, we've

489
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Speaker 3: been doing the Gun Guy show for ten years now

490
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Speaker 3: as of what Joel ass Lets just lasted July last month.

491
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Speaker 3: But I had one person five six years ago. I

492
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Speaker 3: was doing a show on traffic stops. Guy called and said,

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Speaker 3: he said, oh man, he said, I have state police

494
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Speaker 3: trooper call pulled me over, very young officer who who

495
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Speaker 3: asked me for my driver's license, and I said, well,

496
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Speaker 3: it's in my wallet. Let me get it, he said,

497
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Speaker 3: And I pulled my wallet out and as I was

498
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Speaker 3: going through the cards in my wallet looking for my license,

499
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Speaker 3: the officer saw my license to carry, and he said.

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Speaker 3: The officer pulled his gun, pointed it at the side

501
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Speaker 3: of my head and started screaming, where's the gun, where's

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Speaker 3: the gun? That it was just one caller a long time,

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Speaker 3: not a long time ago, five six years ago is

504
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Speaker 3: my best guess. And that's and that's a really extreme thing.

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Speaker 3: Although I've had other people, whether I've talked to them

506
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Speaker 3: at the office or have called the show, or or

507
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Speaker 3: or on social media or otherwise. Another person said, I

508
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Speaker 3: voluntarily disclosed I had a gun in the car, and

509
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Speaker 3: the officer took me out of the car, put me

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Speaker 3: in handcuffs and parked me in the back seat of

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Speaker 3: his car. Well, he took possession of the gun and

512
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Speaker 3: ran the serial number, and I ran my license to

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Speaker 3: carry and make sure it was still valid. This was

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Speaker 3: before constitutional carry. And then when he gave my gun back,

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Speaker 3: he put it on the back seat dismantled. He had

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Speaker 3: he had done a field strip on the gun. And

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Speaker 3: did somebody else say that they they got their gun

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Speaker 3: back the same thing, put it in the back seat,

519
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Speaker 3: but the officer kept the ammunition. Another one guy said

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Speaker 3: he he'd been drinking, so he had his teenage son

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Speaker 3: who had a driver's license, who was who he had

522
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Speaker 3: driving the car, and they got pulled over. The kid

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Speaker 3: took a turn without a turn signal or some such thing.

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Speaker 3: It was something minor, and officer came up started asking

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Speaker 3: questions and quickly became a parent that the person who

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Speaker 3: owned the car was having his sun drive because he

527
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Speaker 3: had a bunch of cocktails. And at some point it

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00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 3: came up there was a gun in the car, and

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Speaker 3: he goes, well, if you've been drinking and the kid's underage,

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Speaker 3: I'm taking the gun. And the officer this is in

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Speaker 3: a more rural county and I will on't want to guess.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to cast any expersions on any departments

533
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Speaker 3: that don't deserve It was. It was in a county

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Speaker 3: south of Indianapolis, and the officer took the gun I

535
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Speaker 3: think there were a couple of guns in the car,

536
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Speaker 3: took him and took him to the police station or

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Speaker 3: sheriff's office and said you can pick them up tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: and didn't even didn't even allow them to continue in

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Speaker 3: possession of the guns. And I you know, you've got

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Speaker 3: one person who's who's who doesn't have a license, for instance,

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Speaker 3: and has a driver's license, doesn't have a license to carry,

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Speaker 3: but is underage to possess a gun, and another person

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Speaker 3: who's been drinking. All right, it was that officer being

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Speaker 3: heavy handed or looking out for people's safety. I could

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Speaker 3: argue that either way. But by the way, I don't

546
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Speaker 3: tell those stories. I just went through to bash police

547
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Speaker 3: officers because my personal experience officers have been great and

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Speaker 3: professional and relaxed, and you know, I try to be respectful.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to wave or relinquish or voluntarily give

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Speaker 3: up any of my constitutional rights, but I'm going to

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00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: be absolutely cordial polite, pleasant hands at ten and two.

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Speaker 3: I've got a bit of tin on all four windows

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Speaker 3: in my car. I'm going to put all four windows down.

554
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna turn on the interior light. If it's nighttime,

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00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: I'll have my hands at ten and two. And I'm

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00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: sure this and mam that, and that's not giving up

557
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: anything other than just being respectful and cordial my mind.

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Speaker 3: But my experience with police officers in and around the

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00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: Indy area has been great. But I go back and

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Speaker 3: revisit this issue in Ohio. And that's really why I

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Speaker 3: wanted to get that word out there, because even with

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Speaker 3: with Ohio recognizing the Indiana license, a guy still facing

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Speaker 3: fellony charges for having a gun in the car. Man,

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Speaker 3: that is so spooky to me. And I hate learning

565
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Speaker 3: something like that for the first time because I didn't

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Speaker 3: already know it. And again, I focused on Indiana law certainly,

567
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Speaker 3: but Ohio is just one stayed over and that was

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Speaker 3: important information to me. We're a little past the three quarters.

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Speaker 3: I will come back for a short secment. We will

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Speaker 3: go right to the phone. So we've got James and

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Speaker 3: Bob on hold. We'll get to both of those guys

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Speaker 3: if we have time. Right when we come back, says

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Speaker 3: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Rights sure, responsibility your guns. This is the Gun Guy

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Speaker 1: with Guy Ralford on ninety three w IVC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. We got a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: short segment, but let's go right to the phone lines

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Speaker 3: and James has been on hold. James, welcome to the

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Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 5: Hi, I appreciate you taking my call. Sure, have a

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Speaker 5: quick question when you're outside the vehicle, if you have

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Speaker 5: an Indiana license in Ohio, are you okay with them

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Speaker 5: with carry? And also if you're on your Harley it's

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Speaker 5: on your side, are you okay? I appreciate you taking

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Speaker 5: my call and.

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Speaker 3: I'll great great, great questions James, and listen, a huge

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Speaker 3: caveat I'm not an Ohio attorney. I'll give you based

588
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: on a little bit of speculation and not legal advice.

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Speaker 3: First of all, talking about vehicles and listen, I'm a

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Speaker 3: Harley rider. If you if you're on a motorcycle and

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Speaker 3: the carrying of guns, I've always I've always said that

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Speaker 3: that I think you know on on a motors is

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Speaker 3: going to be interpreted as being in a vehicle when

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Speaker 3: you go read these statutes and where it says you

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Speaker 3: can't be in a vehicle or have a gun in

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Speaker 3: a vehicle where it's accessible, I got to believe that's

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Speaker 3: going to apply. So this news I shouldn't say broke

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Speaker 3: because it may not be news to anybody else. It

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Speaker 3: was certainly knows to me news to me. But you

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Speaker 3: know what we were discussing about, you can't have a

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Speaker 3: gun accessible. I got to believe that would include having

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Speaker 3: it on your hip in Ohio, on a motorcycle, outside

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Speaker 3: your car. The statute we're talking about about not having

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Speaker 3: a gun in a vehicle that's accessible without getting out

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Speaker 3: of the vehicle doesn't apply if you're just walking around.

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Speaker 3: And my god, if you can't have a handgun on

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Speaker 3: your person, then what good is Ohio recognizing the Indiana

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: license at all? When does it ever apply? And so

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Speaker 3: I have to believe, and truly want to believe, because

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Speaker 3: I've been in that circumstance often, that having a gun

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00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: on your hip in Ohio outside of vehicle is going

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Speaker 3: to be totally legal. I'll tell you what, if you're

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Speaker 3: on the hold, we'll get back. We'll get right back

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Speaker 3: to you as soon as we can. We have to

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Speaker 3: take a break here at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom

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Speaker 2: boom boom bang bang.

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Speaker 1: Bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for hour number two The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show here on ninety three WIBC. In the first hour,

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Speaker 3: we were talking about a really disturbing case, a prosecution

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Speaker 3: of a gentleman who was in Ohio. Vante is his name.

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Speaker 3: He was in Ohio traveling back to Indiana's an Indiana

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Speaker 3: resident and had an Indiana license to carry and was

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Speaker 3: pulled over disclosed he had a gun in the car

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Speaker 3: and is being prosecuted even though he has a license

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00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: to carry, and even though Ohio recognizes the Indiana license,

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Speaker 3: because there's an Ohio statute that says he can't have

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Speaker 3: a gun accessible to you, a loaded gun accessible to

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Speaker 3: you inside a vehicle. It can't be accessible to anyone,

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Speaker 3: the driver or the passenger without getting out of the vehicle.

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00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 3: And then there's an exception to that, which if you

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Speaker 3: have a concealed carry license, which is what Ohio calls

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Speaker 3: their license, and the prosecutor in that county, it's Lucas County,

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Speaker 3: Ohio is taking the position that means exclusively the Ohio license.

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Speaker 3: If you have a license from another state like Indiana,

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Speaker 3: that Ohio recognizes that's not good enough, so that you

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Speaker 3: cannot have a gun accessible to you inside a loaded

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Speaker 3: gun accessible to you inside a vehicle. That's shocking to me,

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Speaker 3: and that's why I wanted to get that out there.

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Speaker 3: But in the meantime that has sparked a number of calls,

648
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Speaker 3: including I think from Bob, who's been on hold for

649
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Speaker 3: quite some time. Bob, thanks for.

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Speaker 6: Your patients related the situation to your previous caller. Truck,

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Speaker 6: no toolbox, standard cab, what happens in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, I suppose if you had not

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Speaker 3: that I would ever in a million years advocate for

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Speaker 3: this or even say it was acceptable. But I suppose

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Speaker 3: if you had a gun, you know, sliding around in

656
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Speaker 3: the back of your open bed of your pickup truck

657
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: that's not accessible from the cab of the truck without

658
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Speaker 3: getting out of the vehicle, right, So I suppose that

659
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: would be okay, now if you had it in a case,

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Speaker 3: in a bag, strapped down, or even secured somehow. I mean,

661
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 3: I've got a couple of safes that have security cables,

662
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Speaker 3: So I could have a safe secured in the back

663
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Speaker 3: of a pickup, you know, with a steel security cable

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Speaker 3: keeping it in place, keeping anybody else from accessing it.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like that would be okay, Bob in Ohio, because

666
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Speaker 3: I couldn't get to it without getting out of the vehicle, right,

667
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: makes sense to you?

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Speaker 6: Uh, I wanted to hear.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean that's why, that's why this is

670
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Speaker 3: so scary. Let's go back to the phone lines, and

671
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I always have a hard time

672
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Speaker 3: reading Vluth. That's that's what.

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Speaker 6: We have in here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome to the gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 4: Hi, gay Ye love your show.

676
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Speaker 3: Okay, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great?

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Speaker 3: How are you very well?

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Speaker 2: Good?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 7: My question was similar to Bob, I have it s

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Speaker 7: UV not as trunk?

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Speaker 4: What do I do?

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Speaker 3: I think I think the one thing it would be

685
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Speaker 3: if you're in Ohio. And again this doesn't matter if

686
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Speaker 3: you're here in Indiana possessing, for instance, a handgun either

687
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: under constitutional carry or with an Indiana license. But in Ohio,

688
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 3: I would have it unloaded, since you know, essentially the

689
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: entire interior of an suv is accessible from the interior

690
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: right to either you or a passenger. The Ohio statute

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Speaker 3: is limited to having a loaded gun accessible to someone

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Speaker 3: in a vehicle. So I would have it unloaded, and

693
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: then me even locked up. So there are multiple steps

694
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 3: you'd have to take, like unlocking a box, a safe,

695
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Speaker 3: a lock box, something along those lines before you can

696
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Speaker 3: access it. That to me, would would provide you some security.

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Speaker 3: Back to the phone lines again, Brian, Brian, you're on

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Speaker 3: the Gun Guy show.

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Speaker 7: Good I the comment about Premiere Arms. I just got

700
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Speaker 7: back from there. Little did I know it was a

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Speaker 7: gun store for rich They would only sell Lamborghineas and

702
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Speaker 7: Mercedes and BMW's.

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Speaker 3: Well listen, hey, full disclosure.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Premiere Arms are one of our very best sponsors here

706
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Speaker 3: at wib C. They do a lot with Tony Katz.

707
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 3: They sponsored Monday Gun Day for me with Hammer and

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Speaker 3: Nigel for my segment there every Monday and I gotta

709
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Speaker 3: tell you, I've been out there a lot, and they've

710
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Speaker 3: got I mean, they've got you, you know, your basic

711
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: you know, middle of the market type guns, and they

712
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: have clocks and SIGs. I mean that they're not only

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Speaker 3: selling Wilson combats and and you know, high end firearms

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 4: You got time for a historical question.

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Speaker 7: Sure, why was the British AA s A is so

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Speaker 7: enamored with the Browning nine millimeters high power?

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Speaker 3: Is that a question or you want to show off

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Speaker 3: what you know about that, because I honestly don't know.

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Speaker 4: That is the honest question.

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Speaker 7: As you well know, no one will shot more people

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Speaker 7: than the British sas with the pistol.

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Speaker 3: Well you know what that that's why it is a

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Speaker 3: fair question. I look, a lot of people are huge

725
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Speaker 3: fans of the Browning high Power. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: you know where where John Moses Browning I don't know

727
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 3: why that wasn't coming to me right away, where John

728
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: Moses Browning gets an awful lot of love for the

729
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: nineteen eleven as he should, as well as several other

730
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Speaker 3: inventions of his. I mean, my gosh, the bar and

731
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: they're just he goes on and on and on. But

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Speaker 3: in terms of handguns, a lot of people say, oh, man,

733
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, the nineteen eleven has been such a venerable

734
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Speaker 3: and respected firearm for so long. I've got the original

735
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Speaker 3: patent drawing from John Moses Browning's patent of the nineteen eleven.

736
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Speaker 3: I've got that up in my office. But a lot

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Speaker 3: of people that really know firearms very very well are

738
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Speaker 3: actually more in love with the high power than the

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Speaker 3: nineteen eleven. So I know it gets a lot of

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Speaker 3: love from a lot of different sources. Well'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: Let's switch gear a little bit. Let's switch gears a

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Speaker 3: little bit. I always want to continue to take calls

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Speaker 3: throughout the show. Feel free to join us three one

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Speaker 3: seven two nine ninety three ninety three as we go

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Speaker 3: throughout the show. But let's switch gears a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And it was interesting to me. I saw a news

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Speaker 3: article that said that, and I mentioned this just very

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Speaker 3: briefly at the start of the show, that Kentucky Representative

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massey, And look, he's I think a true conservative.

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Speaker 3: He bumps heads with even the other Republicans in Washington

751
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: quite a bit. In Congress. He tends to stand on

752
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: principle on spending issues, which I respect. He tends to

753
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: stand on principle on Second Amendment issues, which I deeply respect.

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Speaker 3: But he announced here just this last week after the

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Speaker 3: Minneapolis church slash school shooting, it was a Catholic school

756
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Speaker 3: also had its own church on the premises and uh,

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Speaker 3: some deranged transgender again transgender individual who by the way,

758
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: rote a manifesto and that has been reviewed by law

759
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: enforcement and excerpts of it continue to be released. But

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Speaker 3: after this as shooting on school property, Thomas Massey proposed

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Speaker 3: repeal of the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act, and

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Speaker 3: he said, look, schools as so called gun free zones

763
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Speaker 3: just means that they're safe places for mass killers to

764
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Speaker 3: go perform mass shootings. And then you want to go

765
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Speaker 3: murder a bunch of people and murder as many people

766
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Speaker 3: as you possibly can. Then you want to go where

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Speaker 3: you're not going to meet armed resistance, or at least

768
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: there's going to be a substantial response time before you're

769
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Speaker 3: met with armed resistance. And a lot of mass shooters

770
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Speaker 3: select schools for exactly that reason. So Thomas Massey says, well,

771
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Speaker 3: at least part of the reason that schools are safe

772
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: zones for mass shooters is the Federal Gun Free School

773
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Speaker 3: Zones Act, so he wants to repeal it and a

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Speaker 3: couple of things. First of all, is it true that

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Speaker 3: the Minneapolis shooter who killed a couple of young kids

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Speaker 3: who were just in church praying. I mean, what a demented,

777
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: low life piece of you know, what do you have

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00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: to be to want to kill young kids that are

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Speaker 3: praying in church, sitting in pews. It's mind boggling to

780
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Speaker 3: me that the depths of depravity some of these people

781
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Speaker 3: sink to. But is there any indication that this person

782
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Speaker 3: actually selected this particular church slash school because it was

783
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Speaker 3: a gun free zone? Well, actually, yeah, that's in his manifesto.

784
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Speaker 3: And yes it's a hymn who was pretending to be

785
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: a female calling himself transgender. And even in his manifesto

786
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Speaker 3: when he's talking about shooting up this particular church and school,

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Speaker 3: he said, it seems like the kind of school to

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Speaker 3: not arm their teachers. That's a quote I'm reading from

789
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Speaker 3: one news account from his manifesto and another place in

790
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: the same manifesto quote, I bet that liberal school does

791
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Speaker 3: not allow teachers to carry end quote. He's selecting that

792
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: church and in that school specifically because he doesn't think

793
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Speaker 3: he's going to meet armed resistance. And listen, that fits

794
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 3: perfectly with something I've talked about before, which is, and

795
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Speaker 3: I've gone to training courses on this. And there's a

796
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Speaker 3: gentleman named Ed Monk. I went to his training course

797
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: for the National Association of School Resource Officers when it

798
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: was here in Indianapolis a couple of years ago, and

799
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Speaker 3: he was nice enough to invite me. I went to

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Speaker 3: the whole thing, and he says, listen, the number of

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00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: victims you're going to get, the number of casualties killed

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00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: and wounded in a mass shooting. He goes, it comes

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00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: down to time and math. I mean, in other words,

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00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: we know before a mass shooter meets armed resistance. And

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00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: it's not dependent on the type of firearm, although we

806
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: hear that NonStop. It's about time and math. Because a

807
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 3: certain amount of time goes by before there's armed resistance,

808
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: we know the number of people are going to die

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00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: within parameters. We know how many people are going to

810
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: get wounded and how many are going to die based

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00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 3: on simple time, the time before the second gun arrives,

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00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: the time before armed or resistance arrives, and if there's

813
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 3: armed resistance already on the scene, like Eli Dick and

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00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: my friend and my client in the Greenwood Park Mall.

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Speaker 3: He was in the food court when the bad guy

816
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Speaker 3: who will not be named on my show showed up

817
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Speaker 3: in the food court and started murdering people. And that

818
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: mass shooting lasted fifteen seconds period total, because that's how

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Speaker 3: long it took for Eli to see what was going on,

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Speaker 3: realize what the situation was, decide to take action and

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Speaker 3: stop that mass shooting, which he did by shooting the

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Speaker 3: mass shooter starting from forty three yards away all the

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Speaker 3: way across the food the food court, but from Eli's

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Speaker 3: first shot which hit the bad guy from forty three

825
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Speaker 3: yards away, bad guy did not pull the trigger another time.

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Speaker 3: So time in math fifteen seconds. Damn few people died.

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Speaker 3: Now three innocent people lost their lives. And I don't

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Speaker 3: ever want to talk about that shooting without mentioning that

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Speaker 3: you know did to some degree. People celebrate the Greenwood

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Speaker 3: Park Mall shooting because it showed a heroic citizen carrying

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Speaker 3: concealed legally stopping a mass shooting, even though we hit

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00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: here from anti gun people that that quote unquote never happens,

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00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: and so well a lot of us look at that

834
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 3: as a positive thing because it proved just the opposite

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Speaker 3: that yes, it does happen. It did happen. It happened

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Speaker 3: right here in central Indiana. But three innocent people lost

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Speaker 3: their lives. But you know why only three innocent people

838
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: lost their lives and not three dozen or more, given

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Speaker 3: the number of people who were in that mall on

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Speaker 3: a Sunday night near closing time. It was because an

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Speaker 3: armed citizen was there. And the whole thing lasted fifteen

842
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 3: seconds time and math fifteen seconds. Damn few people died

843
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: because the armed resistance was already there. And you know

844
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Speaker 3: who knows that. Mass shooters know that, which is why

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Speaker 3: this guy, who also will not be named in Minneapolis

846
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: will not be named here on my show said, you know,

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Speaker 3: this seems like the kind of school did not arm

848
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Speaker 3: their teachers. I bet this liberal school does not allow

849
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 3: their teachers to carry That's why he selected it. So

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00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: Thomas Massey wants to repeal the federal gun Free School

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Speaker 3: Zone ZAC if that were to happen, and that's certainly

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Speaker 3: not anything I'm predicting, notwithstanding the narrow majority of Republicans

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00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 3: in both houses of Congress. But if it were to happen,

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00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: what difference would that make. That's what we'll get into,

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00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: as well as take your calls and get back to

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Speaker 3: the phone lines here when we continue, give us a call,

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Speaker 3: join the discussion. Three one seven two three nine ninety

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Speaker 3: three ninety three. That's three one seven ninety three ninety three,

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Speaker 3: says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety

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Speaker 3: three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYPCA.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back on, Guy Ralford on The Gun Guys Show.

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Speaker 3: So Thomas Massey, representative from Kentucky, wants to repeal the

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Speaker 3: Federal Gun Free School Zones Act. What would that really mean? Well,

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Speaker 3: what the Gun Free School Zones Act, the federal statute.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, we have an Indiana state law

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Speaker 3: as well well, a lot of people refer to as

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Speaker 3: the Indiana Gun Free School Zones Act that also proivents

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Speaker 3: firearms on school property. But would we have to as

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Speaker 3: Representative Massey seems to imply in his press release, well,

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Speaker 3: we have to repeal the Gun Free School Zones Act

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Speaker 3: the federal statute in order for teachers or armed security

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Speaker 3: or anyone else to have guns on school property. Well,

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Speaker 3: the federal statue, it has a big exception to it.

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Speaker 3: It says, in some sense, it's much broader than the

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Speaker 3: Indiana statute. But it has a huge exception. And the

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Speaker 3: reason it's much broader as it says, you can't have

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Speaker 3: a gun in a school zone. And a school zone

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Speaker 3: is defined as a school property, that is property actually

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Speaker 3: owned by a school, or anything within a thousand feet

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Speaker 3: anywhere within a thousand feet of school property. So if

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Speaker 3: a school owns right out to the sidewalk, you can't

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Speaker 3: be within a thousand feet of the edge of that sidewalk.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a bunch of exceptions. You're on private property,

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Speaker 3: not a part of the school. I mean a lot

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Speaker 3: of people live within a thousand feet of a school. Well,

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Speaker 3: doesn't apply to that. But it has several other exceptions,

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Speaker 3: but a huge one is the federal statute does not

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Speaker 3: apply get this, if you're licensed by the state in

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Speaker 3: which the school is located to possess a firewarm So

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Speaker 3: in Indiana, if you're licensed by the state of Indiana,

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Speaker 3: the federal statute and don't get too excited, because the

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Speaker 3: Indiana state statute prohibiting guns on school property does not

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Speaker 3: have this exception for crying out loud, don't go to

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Speaker 3: parent teacher Knight carrying your gun in a holster. Because

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Speaker 3: you have a license, you wouldn't be arrested under federal law,

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Speaker 3: but you're sure as hell would under state law. But

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Speaker 3: the federal statute that represented Massey wants to repeal has

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Speaker 3: law enforcement exception, but has enforcement for anyone licensed by

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Speaker 3: the state in which the school is located. Indiana says,

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Speaker 3: you cannot have a gun on school property itself. We

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Speaker 3: don't have any buffer zone, this thousand foot or any

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Speaker 3: other distance. You just can't have a gun on school

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Speaker 3: property itself. Several exceptions to it. In fact, I've helped

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Speaker 3: write and written some bills entirely that have dramatically improved

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Speaker 3: the Indiana guns on school property law because, for instance,

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Speaker 3: now on school property, if you lawfully possess that firearm,

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Speaker 3: you can leave that gun in your car on school

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Speaker 3: property when you get out of your car, as long

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Speaker 3: as is locked in the glove compartment of a locked car,

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Speaker 3: it's locked in the trunk, or it's otherwise stored out

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Speaker 3: of sight in a locked vehicle, out of sight in

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Speaker 3: a locked vehicle. That's new. That's within the last five

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Speaker 3: years or so we passed that used to be if

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Speaker 3: you got out of your car and left a gun

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Speaker 3: in it, even if it was locked in the trunk

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Speaker 3: or locked somewhere in the vehicle itself out of sight,

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Speaker 3: used to be a felony. Now it's totally legal, something

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Speaker 3: that directly applies to what just happened in Minneapolis. It's

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Speaker 3: never been against the law, specifically in Indiana to have

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Speaker 3: a gun, to possess a gun in a church, But

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Speaker 3: as I say, it's against the law to have a

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Speaker 3: gun on school property. And school property is defined as

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Speaker 3: any property or other building co owned or on the

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Speaker 3: same land, the same property with a school. And so

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Speaker 3: up until twenty nineteen, if there was a school and

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Speaker 3: a church on the same property, you could not go

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Speaker 3: to church and carry your gun, even though the school

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Speaker 3: was closed on Sunday or Saturday, whenever it is you're

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Speaker 3: attending a worship service, you could not take your gun

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Speaker 3: because it was school property. Could not take your gun

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Speaker 3: to church because there was a school somewhere on the

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Speaker 3: same property, or a licensed daycare on the same building

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Speaker 3: or on the same property. And that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: K through twelve both a federal law and the state law.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about K through twelve and licensed daycares in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: If they'd have had Indiana's law before twenty nineteen, anybody

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Speaker 3: going to church in that church, which was on school property,

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Speaker 3: could not have legally carried a gun. We changed that

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Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, if you're attending a

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Speaker 3: worship service or a religious ceremony in a house of worship,

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Speaker 3: you can carry any gun that you lawfully possess. So

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Speaker 3: if you have a licensed to carry, you're carrying under

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Speaker 3: constitutional carring, you can carry that to church even though

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Speaker 3: it's on school property. But the federal statu has this

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Speaker 3: big exception. If you're licensed by this by the state

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Speaker 3: in which the school is located, then you're not violating

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Speaker 3: the federal statute. So as far as mister mass here,

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Speaker 3: Representative Massey wanting to repeal that federal Gun Free School

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Speaker 3: Zone Zact, Hey, anytime we're eliminating gun control, I'm a fan.

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Speaker 3: That wouldn't affect the Indiana statute. And it's not a

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Speaker 3: huge deal because a long as you have your license

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Speaker 3: in Indiana, that federal statue doesn't apply to you. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Now that is a reason I say often even though

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Speaker 3: we have constitutional carry, and I fought for ten years

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Speaker 3: to get that passed. I helped write the bill that

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Speaker 3: finally passed in twenty twenty two, and I spent a

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Speaker 3: lot of time at the State House, a lot of

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Speaker 3: time on the phone and on an email and every

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Speaker 3: other mode of communication I could think of to try

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Speaker 3: to get that passed. Over ten years, we got it passed.

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Speaker 3: But let's say you're within a thousand feet of a school,

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Speaker 3: but you're carrying under constitutional carry. Now you don't fall

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Speaker 3: within that exception where you're licensed to possess a gun

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Speaker 3: by the state in which the school is located. Now

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Speaker 3: you've got a potential problem under the Gun Free School

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Speaker 3: Zones Act. But do we need all this to happen

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Speaker 3: in Indiana? Do we need to repeal the Federal Gun

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Speaker 3: Free School Zones Act to have guns on school property,

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Speaker 3: to allow teachers to carry, or to allow the school

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Speaker 3: to have armed security private security. No, we don't, because

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Speaker 3: as long as those people have a license to carry,

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Speaker 3: they're outside the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act. And

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Speaker 3: get this in Indiana, even though there's not the licensing

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Speaker 3: exception that is, there's no exception for having a license

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Speaker 3: to carry to the prohibition about having a gun on

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Speaker 3: school property under the Indiana statute. So even though I

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Speaker 3: have my license to carry, if I now again, there's

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Speaker 3: an exception for having a gun in a vehicle or

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Speaker 3: leaving a gun in a locked vehicle out of sight.

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Speaker 3: Those are exceptions. Let's say I walk onto school property

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Speaker 3: carrying a gun and a holster in Indiana, I just

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Speaker 3: walk right up into the parking lot and approach the

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Speaker 3: front door. I've got a gun in a holster, I'm

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Speaker 3: carrying openly. I've got my Indiana license. I'm not violating

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Speaker 3: the federal statute. But I sure as hell I'm violating

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Speaker 3: the state statute, and I go to prison on a

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Speaker 3: level sixth felony because having a license is not an

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Speaker 3: exception under the state statute. However, we have a different

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Speaker 3: exception in Indiana that would allow schools to arm teachers

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Speaker 3: or other security private security, which is, you can have

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Speaker 3: a gun on school property separate apart from any license,

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Speaker 3: which does help you under the federal statute, but separate

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Speaker 3: apart from that under Indiana law, you can have a

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Speaker 3: gun on school property. Can possess a firearm on school

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Speaker 3: property if you're authorized by the school board to do

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Speaker 3: so so. If a school board decides to arm teachers,

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Speaker 3: and again, a lot of discussions since the Minnesota shooting,

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Speaker 3: it's a there's been a lot of discussion periodically since

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Speaker 3: Sandy Hook in Connecticut many years ago. We don't need

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Speaker 3: to change the law to allow teachers or staff or

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Speaker 3: other private citizens to carry a gun on school property.

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Speaker 3: If they have a license, they're good under federal law,

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Speaker 3: and if they have the permission of the school board.

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Speaker 3: In some schools, like charter schools don't have boards, but

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Speaker 3: it says a school board or body that administers are

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Speaker 3: charter school, if you have authorization from that school board

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Speaker 3: or other body that administers a charter school to have

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Speaker 3: a gun on school property, you can have a gun

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Speaker 3: today on school property. We don't need repeal now, not

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Speaker 3: that I'm saying Thomas Massey's having a bad idea to

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Speaker 3: repeal the federal gun free school ZONESE. Anytime we repeal

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Speaker 3: gun control, I'm generally going to favor it. But we

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Speaker 3: don't need that to happen in Indiana to have armed security.

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Speaker 3: Are there any schools in Indiana doing this. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: there are and get this. For about the last two

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Speaker 3: or three years. It's a bill passed that was authored

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Speaker 3: by Jim Lucas down in District sixty nine. Jim authored

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Speaker 3: a bill that's a great bill, and I went and

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Speaker 3: argued for it. I had nothing to do with writing it.

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Speaker 3: That was all Jim and people he worked with at

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Speaker 3: the Law Enforcement acadey the Indiana Law Enforcement Academy out

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Speaker 3: on Plainfield. There is now a bill that has a

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Speaker 3: forty hour curriculum outlined right in the bill, and it

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Speaker 3: says if a school system, a school board wants to

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Speaker 3: arm its teachers and gives them authorization to be armed,

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Speaker 3: they can go through this forty hour firearm training curriculum.

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Speaker 3: It's not just firearms field first aid, it's gunshot first aid,

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Speaker 3: it's active shooter response, it's firearm security and retention, which

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Speaker 3: is huge in a school environment. Obviously, Then if they

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Speaker 3: wanted to put their teachers through that, it provides the

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Speaker 3: curriculum and the state will give grants to pay for it.

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Speaker 3: So in Indiana we have the infrastructure legally, we have

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Speaker 3: the infrastructure funding wise, we have the infrastructure for schools

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Speaker 3: to arm teachers or other staff if they want to.

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Speaker 3: It's up to the school board. You don't have to

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Speaker 3: worry about the federal statute. If they have a license

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Speaker 3: to carry, you don't have to worry about the state statute.

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Speaker 3: If they have authorization of the school board or body

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Speaker 3: that it administers a charter school, that's huge. That's huge.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying Representative Massey's idea is a bad one.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying we don't need that to happen in Indiana

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Speaker 3: to do the right thing, given the fact that the

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Speaker 3: number of casualties. This is proven detailed study again, detailed

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Speaker 3: study on every active shooting that's ever happened in Indiana

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Speaker 3: by mister Monk, who I talked about earlier. Ed Monk

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Speaker 3: shows it's all about the timing of the first responder

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Speaker 3: with a gun, and if they're already armed, there's already

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Speaker 3: armed security right there on site to respond immediately. That's

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Speaker 3: going to dramatically cut down casualties every single time. And

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Speaker 3: it's time and math, as Edmunk says, and he's proven it.

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Speaker 3: You want to read a great book on this, it's

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Speaker 3: on Amazon. It's the first thirty seconds. It's the name

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Speaker 3: of his book is just out. It's only been out

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Speaker 3: a month or two. The first thirty seconds you want

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Speaker 3: to know about mass shootings, you will know what it

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Speaker 3: takes to reduce the number of casualties. I mean that, hell, Liberals, Democrats,

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Speaker 3: what have you believe? Will we just passed through a

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Speaker 3: saw weapon ban it'll stop mass shootings. I keep hearing

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Speaker 3: that Congress and Republicans in Congress and President Trump have

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Speaker 3: the ability to stop school shootings. They just won't do it.

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Speaker 3: They don't have the political courage to ban ass all weapons.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. The worst school shooting in history at Virginia

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Speaker 3: Tech was done with two handguns, and I had the

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Speaker 3: most casualties of any school shootings we've ever seen school shootings.

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Speaker 3: The worst school catastrophe in terms of murder of students

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Speaker 3: in a school was in Michigan, where there were no

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Speaker 3: guns involved. It was done with explosives. So this idea

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Speaker 3: of stopping mass shootings by taking legal firearms away from

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Speaker 3: law abiding gun owners is ludicrous to me. And the

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Speaker 3: idea we're going to quote unquote stop mass shootings by

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Speaker 3: banning certain classes of weapons is moronic. It's not just counterintuitive,

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Speaker 3: it's downright stupid. But what we can do is limit

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Speaker 3: the number of casualties, and one of the ways to

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Speaker 3: do that is having an armed response on property. And

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Speaker 3: in Indiana that's completely doable for any school in any

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Speaker 3: school district where they have the political will to get

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Speaker 3: it done. I'm way past the bottom of the hour's time.

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Speaker 3: Take a break, we'll come back and I'll get to

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Speaker 3: the phone lines. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun

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Speaker 3: Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Second to nine on this second amendment. This is the

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Speaker 1: Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. I had a caller who

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Speaker 3: couldn't stay on the line, but he had a question.

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Speaker 3: He said, he walks his dogs past school property and

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Speaker 3: carries a gun when he does so. Does he have

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Speaker 3: a problem. Well, the federal Statute Gun Free School Zone

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Speaker 3: ZACH says you can't be within a thousand feet of

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Speaker 3: a school and possess a firearm. But there's a big exception,

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Speaker 3: which is if you're licensed by the state in which

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Speaker 3: the school is located to possess that firearm. So if

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Speaker 3: you have a handgun license, you're good to go. If

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Speaker 3: you don't have a handgun license and you're carrying under

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Speaker 3: constitutional carry, you could theoretically have a problem. Now, I

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Speaker 3: have never once heard of somebody being prosecuted, certainly not

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Speaker 3: in Indiana for just being close to a school while

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Speaker 3: they're carrying a gun. And get this, there's no exception

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Speaker 3: to the federal statue. There's a reason to repeal it

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Speaker 3: right here. There's no exception to the federal gun free

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Speaker 3: school zone, Zach, that says you can't have a gun

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Speaker 3: with one thousand feet of a school thousand feet of

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Speaker 3: school property. There's no exception for being on a public street.

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Speaker 3: I mean everybody driving past a school as we all do,

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Speaker 3: most of us several times a day. If you don't

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Speaker 3: have a license for whatever guns in your vehicles, you

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Speaker 3: drive by that school, you're violating the gun free school zone, Zach.

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Speaker 3: Go again, if I ever heard anybody saying, wow, gosh,

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Speaker 3: you got pulled over for a traffic stop and you're

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Speaker 3: here on a public street in front of a school. Therefore,

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Speaker 3: we're going to prosecute you. It's a federal statute, so

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Speaker 3: only a federal law enforcement officer would probably be focused

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Speaker 3: on that point. But it's not an exception under the law.

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Speaker 3: If somebody wanted to be a complete colossal jerk in

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Speaker 3: law enforcement, they call their buddy in the FBI or

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Speaker 3: atf whoever it was. Hey, this guy is driving down

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Speaker 3: the streets with a thousand feet of a school. There's

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Speaker 3: no exception for being on a public street, as ridiculous

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Speaker 3: as that is. Let's go to the phone lines, and

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Speaker 3: Jack has called with a question. Jack, welcome to the

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Speaker 3: gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 8: Hey guy, I'm always doing a great job. I appreciate it. Hey,

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Speaker 8: my son was going to I don't really do computers,

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Speaker 8: but my son was going to and I was looking

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Speaker 8: at stuff with him, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 8: this thing popped on up that said that there's a

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Speaker 8: federal license if you've got a state license, and you

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Speaker 8: could apply for this federal license and you could carry

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Speaker 8: in all fifty states. Is that true or is that

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Speaker 8: just a some kind of scam?

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Speaker 3: No, that's you know what. I'm really glad you asked

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Speaker 3: that question, Jack, because there are a bunch of scams

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Speaker 3: out there and they all make me mad. And when

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Speaker 3: I see them on social media, I always call them

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Speaker 3: out and say, hey, This is a complete and total scam.

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing other than maybe having a federal

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Speaker 3: law enforcement badge, and there is for law enforcement. There's

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Speaker 3: also LEOSA, the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act that as

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Speaker 3: long as they remain qualified, police officers have some protection

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Speaker 3: carrying in fifty states. But there's these ads that say, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know, for a limited time only the apply for

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 3: this license or apply here and we'll get you a license.

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Speaker 3: It's good for all fifty states. There's no such thing.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I went and applied for a Utah license a long

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01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 3: time ago because that was good in something like thirty

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Speaker 3: eight states, when Indiana's at the time was only good

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Speaker 3: and I don't know it was in the low twenties,

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Speaker 3: I think. But Indiana's license now is good is I

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Speaker 3: think it. We're up to thirty two states now where

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Speaker 3: they recognize the Indiana license. Plus there are now twenty

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Speaker 3: nine states. I think North Carolina is gonna become the thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: I have constitutional carry, and so in those twenty nine

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Speaker 3: other states currently twenty eight other than Indiana, if you

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Speaker 3: want to travel with your handgune, they have constitutional carry. Again,

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Speaker 3: subject to the caveats I was talking about earlier is

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Speaker 3: you got to know the other laws there. But these

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Speaker 3: these websites, let's say, oh, apply here. You know I've

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Speaker 3: seen them to say, apply now for the Indiana license.

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Speaker 3: And you go to this website and they ask you

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Speaker 3: the same questions, and of course you got to pay

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Speaker 3: them money. We ask you basically the same questions that

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Speaker 3: are on the Indiana License to carry, and they go, congratulations,

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Speaker 3: you're eligible for the Indiana license if you answer correctly

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Speaker 3: on all these questions about are you eligible? And then

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Speaker 3: it just refers you to the Indiana license to the

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Speaker 3: Indiana State Police website, where you could have just gone

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Speaker 3: there yourself directly and applied and not paid these bozos

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Speaker 3: any money. So and someone say, come take this training

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Speaker 3: course and if you pass this course, you qualify for

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Speaker 3: the Indiana No, there is no training course required for

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Speaker 3: the Indian Ana license. You want an Indiana license, go

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Speaker 3: to the state Police website. But separately, this fifty state license,

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Speaker 3: there's no such thing. There is no such animal. And

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Speaker 3: if you fell for one of those scams, I feel badly,

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Speaker 3: But that's why I'm glad Jack called and asked, because

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Speaker 3: it is an absolute scam. They want money from you.

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Speaker 3: And you get nothing in return. Let's take a break there,

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Speaker 3: we'll come back and wrap it up on this edition

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Speaker 3: to the Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC, second.

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Speaker 1: To nine on this Second Amendment. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back. As we wrap up this edition to

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Speaker 3: the Gun Guys Show. A little Scotus watch going on here?

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Speaker 3: What's going on in the Supreme Court? A new petition

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Speaker 3: for SIRT for Sircirari, which is asking the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: to take a case it was here filed this last

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Speaker 3: week a number of Second Amendment groups, including the Second

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Speaker 3: Amendment Foundation. You know, one of the reasons it breaks

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Speaker 3: my heart that we have these clowns, the Indiana Firearms

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Speaker 3: or in Indiana Firearms Coalition is they sound too much

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Speaker 3: like some legitimate organizations out there, like the National Firearms

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Speaker 3: Coalition that are doing good work. But another group that's

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Speaker 3: doing good work is the Second Amendment Foundation two af as,

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Speaker 3: I like to call them, and they filed along with

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Speaker 3: some other local gun rights groups and other states around

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Speaker 3: the country, as well as the Second Amendment Law Center,

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Speaker 3: which also do absolutely good work. They filed an application

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Speaker 3: here recently they went the Supreme Court to take a

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Speaker 3: case involving the constitutionality of short barreled rifles being included

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Speaker 3: within the NFA, and I talked about tax stamps going

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Speaker 3: to free starting January one. Hey, that's great, but we

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Speaker 3: all we all know the vast, vastly preferable response to

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Speaker 3: I think what is the abuse of the NFA is

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Speaker 3: to simply repeal it. And if we can do that,

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Speaker 3: one provision at a time, including the SBRs be included

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Speaker 3: within NFA, then I'm a big fan. Suppressor shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: in it, shot barrel, shot gun, shouldn't be in it.

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Speaker 3: We ought to repeal it all together. But this is

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Speaker 3: a nice step in the right direction. That's it for

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Speaker 3: this week's show. Hope you enjoy it, Hope you come

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Speaker 3: back and remember always be safe and always shoot straight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,