Speaker 1: The Frames per second podcast. YOA, what's good? Everybody is
Speaker 1: ride back with another France per second episode. Today we
Speaker 1: are reviewing Hamnet Himnet. It also was for like uh
Speaker 1: awards and stuff like that, and we're right now we're
Speaker 1: doing like a little little mini series of nominated films
Speaker 1: and things. But I am not here alone reviewing this
Speaker 1: with along with me is to my right can be Inge.
Speaker 1: In front of him, we got Spike and next to
Speaker 1: him we got Mike c Town.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 1: That's good, y'all. Y'all good? Mm hmmm, all right, cool man.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into this, man, we ain't gonna
Speaker 1: waste too much time. I know we're trying to get
Speaker 1: get through this, you know, super Bowl, but this is
Speaker 1: hamnet Man, a twenty twenty five historical strategy film directed
Speaker 1: by Chloe zau As also co wrote, who also co
Speaker 1: wrote the screenplay with Maggie O'Farrell, Based on the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty novel by O'Farrell. The film dramatizes the family life
Speaker 1: of William Shakespeare and his wife Agnes Half the Way,
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting because we just reviewed. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure which one is gonna come out first. Where
Speaker 1: We just reviewed Sentimental Value, and the girl's name in
Speaker 1: that movie was at one of the girls names in
Speaker 1: there was Agnes, and they also referenced to Hamlet in
Speaker 1: that movie. I don't know if y'all realize that. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was like kind of interesting that we
Speaker 1: were doing doing two movies that kind of kind of
Speaker 1: relate to tragedy, so and I wanted one if that
Speaker 1: was intentional in that movie. But but yeah, basically they're
Speaker 1: coping with the death of their eleven year old son, Hamnet,
Speaker 1: which stars Jesse Buckley, Paul mescal And as Agnes, and
Speaker 1: William along alongside Emily Watson, Joel Allen and Noah Juke
Speaker 1: in supporting roles. What was I gonna say the film? Well,
Speaker 1: before I get into that part, how did you guys
Speaker 1: feel about this film? Like it was this something that
Speaker 1: was on yall radiar or you know, just because we
Speaker 1: were gonna review it. We reviewed it and also did
Speaker 1: you like it?
Speaker 2: Spike God, No, this was worse than the reality. I
Speaker 2: just couldn't this was this was even in English. This
Speaker 2: was like I didn't get it. I didn't understand the hype.
Speaker 2: But I felt like that even when I've seen this preview.
Speaker 2: When I went to go see something else, and even
Speaker 2: a preview, I was like, this movie looked all pretentious
Speaker 2: and it just the preview irritated me. But then when
Speaker 2: we got in the world and I started looking at
Speaker 2: it like it's it was one scene in here, I.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, all right, we'll get into that, ken, how
Speaker 1: did you like it?
Speaker 3: It received eight OSCAR nominations, a Best Picture, Best Director,
Speaker 3: Best Actress, Adaptive Screenplay, costume design, production, nown score, and casting,
Speaker 3: and some other joints. I did enjoy though, I actually
Speaker 3: did enjoy it. It was oh I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: actually like that? What did you like about this?
Speaker 1: Did you? What did you like about this? Mike Spike
Speaker 1: wrapped my mind just now asking came what the this
Speaker 1: was awful? I wanted to slit my throat and my
Speaker 1: wrists at the same time. I fucking hated this. Man.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking like Shakespeare. I don't like this fucking
Speaker 1: third world time. I don't not third world. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't like this time period. This was fucking a chore.
Speaker 1: I was gonna yet, oh man, Yeah, y'all can stay
Speaker 1: on that couch with this bullshit. Oh man, I can't you.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not the biggest fan of of uh
Speaker 1: English literature or whatever, like like, I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 1: It's weird. I have a weird relationship with Shakespeare because
Speaker 1: I can respect the stories. I just hate all the
Speaker 1: the way they speak, how it's written. That's the part English. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that part kind of gets me sometime. But when people
Speaker 1: starting to monernize it a little bit, I could it's
Speaker 1: more palable at that point, like like oh, I like
Speaker 1: oh like but but yeah, so that's what I appreciated
Speaker 1: about this. It's like the times where they did do that,
Speaker 1: they were reenacting things. It wasn't like part of the
Speaker 1: actual dialogue. Oh you feel that way, yeah, am my
Speaker 1: trip reenacting? They were they were talking all stupid the
Speaker 1: whole movie. Do you think that I've seen it worse? Well, sure,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean it's not here. So I guess
Speaker 1: this was enough for me. This This was more palatable
Speaker 1: for me because I've seen it to where they I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like, it wasn't this down fun that woman, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like that.
Speaker 3: It was it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't heavy handed.
Speaker 1: I wasn't heavy. Hen it wasn't heavy handed. Oh man,
Speaker 1: the hand was heavy enough. Oh my god, I was
Speaker 1: cussing the funk out of jailing on this one description.
Speaker 1: He was upset. He got.
Speaker 4: So as I walked around the corner. Why the fun
Speaker 4: we're doing him decisions? I missed this hold on. I
Speaker 4: was like, I thought we was gonna skip it. I
Speaker 4: thought we talked about skipping on later.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm glad we did watch it because I
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I enjoyed it too. I enjoyed it too,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Like, oh man, what flabbergast did y'all liked this?
Speaker 1: Me too? Oh? Well, well, I think it was beautifully shot.
Speaker 1: Can we agree that sentimental value was solid? But this ship,
Speaker 1: y'all like it? I'm blowing the funk away. Damn. This
Speaker 1: was so much worse than I appreciate sentimentalbod much more now.
Speaker 2: I thought we would all be in agreeance and this.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no no. I thought we was going
Speaker 1: into it, especially if they all liked talking. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was gonna like this, but I did.
Speaker 1: I end up liking it. I ended up enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I like this anyway. Damn all right,
Speaker 1: So we start off like with the prologue, was a
Speaker 1: Hamlet and Hamlet were considered the same name. I didn't
Speaker 1: know they are even being cared to know that or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it made sense in the movie. Whatever. Right, So
Speaker 1: we started off with with the man. He's known just
Speaker 1: the husband. He works as a tutor to help pay
Speaker 1: his family's debt. And then we also are introduced to Agnes.
Speaker 1: So we see her in a beautiful shot coming from
Speaker 1: above and she's like just in the wood, in the
Speaker 1: forest or the woods or whatever, and then she summons,
Speaker 1: not summons, but like calls on a hawk or whatever.
Speaker 1: How did y'all fell about the opening of this movie?
Speaker 1: I was done immediately, damn Why because she's out here
Speaker 1: fucking talking to birds. She's a witch, She's a forest witch.
Speaker 1: She didn't do nothing cool. She's gonna be a witch.
Speaker 1: Do something cool, at least the chicken. The witch flew
Speaker 1: talking this ship. She over here, fucking come to me
Speaker 1: bird and the bird just landing on her. What the fun?
Speaker 1: But she can see things too, She can see into
Speaker 1: the future, and she didn't see her little punk ass
Speaker 1: kid died. Stupid ass. She didn't watching him. Apparently you
Speaker 1: ain't parents. That's what Eminem said. I thought that was forecast.
Speaker 1: I thought she did. So she read that forecast. Real shit.
Speaker 1: She got the same odds as those motherfuckers that were
Speaker 1: reading the weather for Atlanta. But her her premonition was right.
Speaker 1: But she was confused about the premenation. She was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, now there were two of them, but
Speaker 1: I just had three something made right, Yes, stupid, one
Speaker 1: of them was gonna die. It was.
Speaker 3: It was early technology. Wasn't to say, you know, the
Speaker 3: reception was a little they had to plays How did
Speaker 3: you feel about the opening the same way? Just immediately
Speaker 3: turned off?
Speaker 2: Had nothing immediately turned off? I wouldn't. I wasn't curious
Speaker 2: as to how she was calling the bird and none
Speaker 2: of it. And I was like, what what is fucking
Speaker 2: beast master out here?
Speaker 1: Bro? Damn bro animals. When I thought about the opening, uh,
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was cool. It was cool.
Speaker 3: I think they kind of, you know, it was kind
Speaker 3: of foreshadowing, like the whole sort of haunting horror elements
Speaker 3: that you know that kind of played around throughout the
Speaker 3: rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: You know, and uh, well, I don't know, we we
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to him yet, but I will say that yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well we we kind of got into him because he
Speaker 1: sees her do this or whatever, and then that he's
Speaker 1: intrigued and he stops what he's doing. Like I said,
Speaker 1: he's a tutor. He stops what he's doing and he
Speaker 1: goes on and you know, introduces himself and they pretty
Speaker 1: much immediately hit it off.
Speaker 3: That was the thing that got me. I was like, God,
Speaker 3: damn Christ Like, I was like, okay.
Speaker 1: Looking at him, like he's crazy. You see a chick
Speaker 1: talking to a burden. She's like, I got to hit that.
Speaker 1: The immediate is wrong with you.
Speaker 3: He said he was bewitched by her.
Speaker 1: Here. Yeah, but yeah, they share a moment and she
Speaker 1: gives she basically gives him a premonition and early on
Speaker 1: just saying like, uh not things that I guess you
Speaker 1: see with him, and she also and I don't think
Speaker 1: that happened yet. So but yeah, so williams uh damn,
Speaker 1: he's not revealed. I don't think he's revealed this William yet.
Speaker 1: He's revealed this William just's not William Shakespeare.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he is revealed as William. You had to
Speaker 1: be a I'm sorry you got well. I was saying,
Speaker 1: you have to be a real dumb motherfucker. Rod didn't.
Speaker 1: When they said it later, I was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: come on, Broad I know, I know, I know how
Speaker 1: many Williams could there be in this world? I feel you,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't thinking about it. I take it back.
Speaker 1: You're not dumb, but it's just you know it's fun. No,
Speaker 1: it's not fun. It's fun because I didn't. Did you
Speaker 1: think about it? Like I'm dumbing alone? That is a question.
Speaker 1: How did you know he was not to be?
Speaker 2: Who did you think it was?
Speaker 1: The will didn't even think about this, that this was
Speaker 1: the story of I didn't think he was in the
Speaker 1: story William Shakespeare. You didn't know. You didn't know Hamlet
Speaker 1: it was this No, No, I didn't know him. It
Speaker 1: was a son, So yeah, I didn't know that. I
Speaker 1: didn't have that context. Is that is that part of
Speaker 1: the Hamlet story? I thought Hamlet was Hamlet was about
Speaker 1: the king. Yeah, but it's pretty much known that he
Speaker 1: was writing about his kids. I didn't. Again, I told you,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't really care for English literature like that.
Speaker 1: I it's like one of my worst subjects. But really
Speaker 1: for you English, well know, this type of English regular
Speaker 1: literature I could kill. But this type of ship I
Speaker 1: hated and I hated it, especially like when they wanted
Speaker 1: us to like emulate that write and explain what he's
Speaker 1: talking about. My fucking are you serious? I hated it.
Speaker 1: I hated it. But anyway, so William's mother Mary, and
Speaker 1: for some of the rumors about acting, is it that
Speaker 1: daughter of the forest witch who taught her or herbal
Speaker 1: lore which uses later to heal this cut on his forehead.
Speaker 1: So I know you mentioned about her being a witch
Speaker 1: anything any of this part and trigued you guys that
Speaker 1: you know about her being a witch anything.
Speaker 2: I was wondering what she was doing when she was
Speaker 2: mixing up a little potion forest pharmacist or something like
Speaker 2: making crack. But I did wonder what she was doing
Speaker 2: when she took the fly with it.
Speaker 1: Honey, she put it there.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the shit was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's just some horror shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: snake es, you know all of that. So it did
Speaker 1: just stand out to anybody else. I was excited for
Speaker 1: her for about ten minutes because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe this is a horror movie. Okay, you everything, it's
Speaker 1: a horror movie. I was hoping. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know she was. It was about witches, so
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, she's a witch and she's making
Speaker 1: some kind of potion and she put it on his forehead.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll grow horn out of it and this will
Speaker 1: get cool.
Speaker 3: But no, I was like, Mike, I did think horror too.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they putting a horror spin on it.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I like this. And it was dark,
Speaker 3: you know, like what happened, and there were these premonitions
Speaker 3: and stuff, which is one of the things that.
Speaker 1: I liked about it.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I knew she wasn't a witch, but
Speaker 3: you know, back in the old times, bruh, Like all
Speaker 3: you need is the accusation.
Speaker 1: But she was a witch, wasn't she. I mean not
Speaker 1: in the like I don't think you hast spells on people.
Speaker 1: She was a witch? How many inublical cords did you
Speaker 1: see this movie? That's just that's just nah.
Speaker 2: The babies didn't have blood on them, right.
Speaker 1: She's a witch. That's just direction. Bro. No, they had
Speaker 1: to do that unintentionally because none of the kids had
Speaker 1: in bilical cords. I feel you, But this was a
Speaker 1: low budget film. I'd be with you, but for something
Speaker 1: like this, this wasn't at budget, no budget go there,
Speaker 1: because I didn't dad that series like where.
Speaker 2: Always I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't think this is just like
Speaker 1: a movie that didn't have any kind of budget to
Speaker 1: put in a biblical cord. This seemed like an indie
Speaker 1: film to me, but it was. But and the guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty five mil. That's enough for in the bilical cord. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know people do that though in movies and
Speaker 1: shows they won't have it. Yeah, and shitty movies and shows,
Speaker 1: but like good movies, they haven't bilical cords. Like even
Speaker 1: Saidie Sweeney had the biblical cord. Yeah, I get you.
Speaker 1: But why she having the baby in the woods? Then
Speaker 1: if if she wasn't some kind of witch, I feel you,
Speaker 1: I feel you. I don't know. I just didn't see
Speaker 1: any any witch ship other than the fact that she
Speaker 1: can see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these these sort of premonitions that may or may
Speaker 3: not come true, and I think some of them did.
Speaker 1: But I think her having a baby in.
Speaker 3: The woods, I think they were trying to play on
Speaker 3: the on the accusations of her being a witch.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: I thought I knew the answer, but exactly. Weird.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember why would she go because I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think that she was trying to hide the
Speaker 3: baby because that baby was still born, right, the one
Speaker 3: that Judith was was Hamnet was wait, it wasn't Hamon
Speaker 3: or the girl, but but but he ended up coming
Speaker 3: he ended up coming back to like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that was Judith. Judith was still born.
Speaker 3: But the first baby she had in the woods, she
Speaker 3: didn't have that child. I think that one was she
Speaker 3: was pregnant.
Speaker 1: She was pregnant. So she had three total kids? Yeah, yeah, three, Yes,
Speaker 1: the baby one of them died. Where did you call twin?
Speaker 1: The two twins handing in and judiful twins?
Speaker 2: They kind of split the screens though. It woods hard
Speaker 2: to track because I asked the same thing.
Speaker 1: It was not one of them was old and then
Speaker 1: she had one and the lady was like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: still in label.
Speaker 3: No, no, those are the twins, right, So she had
Speaker 3: one before, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: In the woods, one of the woods was still alive
Speaker 1: and walking around. Okay, that was the oldest kid. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: the one that fucking hamd that killed himself for like
Speaker 1: a dumb ass, stupid little ship. It was I hate
Speaker 1: that little punk ass boys. What you wanting. You're gonna
Speaker 1: come over here and save you, get your stupid ass
Speaker 1: out of here. But we ain't got there yet anyway
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Do I be that bad? Yes? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: Sorry ship anyway, So moving on and moving on. I
Speaker 1: had another question when I forgot we were sucking around.
Speaker 1: I said that, so, yeah, Agnes spends a lot of
Speaker 1: time in the forest. We were just talking about what
Speaker 1: there's a mysterious k which I kind of comes back
Speaker 1: around later. William visits Agnes again in the forest, where
Speaker 1: she asks for a story. He recounts the legend of
Speaker 1: Orpheus Euris. I thought this was really you didn't like
Speaker 1: this part? Oh man? They was basically even just telling
Speaker 1: the same story we're already watching. I know, but but
Speaker 1: it was just it was just it was just nicely
Speaker 1: not the way he delivered it was was I don't know,
Speaker 1: yeah he was.
Speaker 3: He was like, you want a motherfucking store, I got it.
Speaker 1: In tregue like I like that, which comes back around
Speaker 1: later like like he was really good at storytelling, especially
Speaker 1: now that well I didn't know he was William Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh no, wonder this motherfucker that ship.
Speaker 5: But that's why that story Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: But that's why. That's what I was thinking watching it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, of course he tells the stories.
Speaker 1: It's William Shakespeare.
Speaker 3: Man, you are you're not telling me you weren't all
Speaker 3: up in that story. You were like, pen is what
Speaker 3: I just know.
Speaker 1: She looked bad. Damn she there for eternity. But it's Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like I expected that. I was like, okay, really holding
Speaker 2: in on the fact that he's a really good story too.
Speaker 1: I'm bucking y'all thought this was a good story. You
Speaker 1: sul already know this story. I know the story, but
Speaker 1: he told it. Well, it's just the way the Bible,
Speaker 1: it's just the delivery of it, bro the same damn story.
Speaker 1: We know the story. But I was also looking at
Speaker 1: it from her perspective. She heard. She was like, She's like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, out man, this is good. I was checked
Speaker 1: out the second I here, complaining she had that burling
Speaker 1: on her arm. I told you that, oh man, this
Speaker 1: was a good scene. Man, I really like this, and
Speaker 1: it hit harder, like because I really did not know
Speaker 1: he was Shakespeare. I didn't, uh, but no, I really
Speaker 1: liked this scene. So you liked the scene. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought because because because I knew the story. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was like when he started, I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, well, because I honestly I was like, well,
Speaker 3: she had to hear the story too. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I think I was like, you done hurt this ship. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I thought she was just called.
Speaker 1: Up in the ways.
Speaker 3: It's almost like like remake, right, he was like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: some such and such that song, but damn the way
Speaker 3: you say.
Speaker 1: This, all that one held that ship. That's how I was, man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Mike. And she was caught up. She
Speaker 1: would the rest because she's lame too. She would in
Speaker 1: the rest of the movie. Yeah, she was so yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, they abruptly had Now yeah, it's sex
Speaker 1: like at some point. But anyway, I'm losing my.
Speaker 2: Dog and a witch in the fucking on the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she didn't get Wait a minute, I've never robbed
Speaker 3: the witch on the second day, No, I never.
Speaker 1: She was a witch.
Speaker 2: Right, you found out afterwards, I'm in trouble now, you
Speaker 2: don't know that witches that little.
Speaker 1: Saying let's come on yup. Oh my god. Anyway, Agnes
Speaker 1: predicts William's future by holding his hand at his thumbs
Speaker 1: or whatever for telling the successful future for him and
Speaker 1: two children at her bedside, and that's where they you know,
Speaker 1: they consummate their relationship and pregnating Agnes, leading her UH
Speaker 1: family to just own her and forcing her to move
Speaker 1: into move in with William Uh to marry. Agnes gives
Speaker 1: birth to Susannah in the woods. So we already kind
Speaker 1: of talked about most of this stuff. Any of this
Speaker 1: stood out to y'all, like her having the preminisions for him,
Speaker 1: you know, her having to move in. How did y'all
Speaker 1: feel about this at this point?
Speaker 3: Well, that's definitely some old school ship you get. You
Speaker 3: get a girl prednant and ship like that, then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden that's your wife, you know. But I
Speaker 3: ain't gonna lie Spike. She ran some good game on him, though. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when she told us that we're gonna have two kids,
Speaker 3: she ran the whole game on it. He bought that ship,
Speaker 3: hook line and sinker.
Speaker 2: He did didn't she have She had a baby in
Speaker 2: the woods, right, that was her? Yeah, yes, and then
Speaker 2: she had two babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was inside. I hadn't gotten there yet though.
Speaker 2: And then she had the one baby. So why are
Speaker 2: you like she said it was a baby that already
Speaker 2: she had one kid. She was out there with the hawks.
Speaker 2: She had a kid.
Speaker 1: No, No, that was just she didn't have no kids.
Speaker 1: That was just the bird. It was a bird. And
Speaker 1: she was there. She was there with with the family.
Speaker 1: That was That was just okay. So I thought one
Speaker 1: of them that was not her kids. That's my mom
Speaker 1: at least. I don't think it was out in the streets.
Speaker 1: She might have been. It wasn't anybody else, any of
Speaker 1: these nothing. No, yeah, I guess y'all kind of already
Speaker 1: allude to how y'all felt about the birth. Did you
Speaker 1: have anything? Can positive? More positive? Said?
Speaker 3: But no, Yeah, like I said, I like that she
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, foreshadow what was going to happen. Again,
Speaker 3: I think there's this idea that she's a witch. She's
Speaker 3: having this premonition, she's doing all this funky ship. She
Speaker 3: definitely got him bewitched and caught up because the first
Speaker 3: first time he laid eyes on her, he was hooked,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh and she put the move on him.
Speaker 3: And you know, because that wasn't his baby, wasn't the
Speaker 3: first baby, his baby.
Speaker 1: That's all of them were his baby. What wrong with y'all?
Speaker 1: That's when he was having on the table. That's that's
Speaker 1: that's what's what Susannah. Oh, yeah, yeah, damn yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's up. That's what Susanna. Susannah bro I thought that
Speaker 1: was some baby. I thought that. Yeah, what I was
Speaker 1: thinking because because they had the little the cave thing
Speaker 1: where it was like it shuts to a scene with
Speaker 1: it was like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so this whole time you're having like this
Speaker 3: because the way the whole movie was shot, it had
Speaker 3: this dark kind of element, you know, visual to it.
Speaker 1: So and then you have this dark cave. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting I'm like, man, some crazy ship about to happen.
Speaker 3: It didn't really, but I love the haunting like part
Speaker 3: of it, or her being accused of being a witch
Speaker 3: and them kind of playing into it with the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for some reason, I never thought that that was
Speaker 1: gonna come around. It's her being an actual witch. I
Speaker 1: just I just didn't see that for this movie. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was, but yeah, I'm tripping the
Speaker 1: y'all don't think she was an actual witch. How do
Speaker 1: you think she sees the future? Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: She a witch in a way of like wicked witch,
Speaker 1: like you know, like like spells, like a single way.
Speaker 1: She's a witch.
Speaker 6: I didn't see a cauldron. She was mixing up children.
Speaker 6: They had a little, small, little cauldron. But she was
Speaker 6: making she was healing like ointments and ship.
Speaker 2: We just do that. She's a witch doctor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was a witch doctor, like like in fucking
Speaker 1: fucking New Orders and ship. She will witch in the
Speaker 1: sense of like the chicken sinners, she will she'll witch
Speaker 1: in that sense. She a little empty and she was God,
Speaker 1: she's making a herbal tea because it healed up real quick.
Speaker 1: Put that ship on it, that eye of newt Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Anyway, man, So now she's living there and
Speaker 1: everything she noticed. William has frustration with writing, so she
Speaker 1: suggests that her brother bark Bar through the mal.
Speaker 7: Through That's Walking book.
Speaker 1: By thollow Me by Tholow. Yes, oh my god, and
Speaker 1: I had it to I had That's what happened all
Speaker 1: the time, like I know this word, I know thom
Speaker 1: to put it in the words spot yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you get out. Oh man, you just forget your fundamentals.
Speaker 1: You do use your syllables. God damn, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: God damn. Anyway about to do it again? Stolen I'm
Speaker 1: not even to say. And then you bark bark all
Speaker 1: all right, man, look, send him to London. I don't
Speaker 1: even think this is gonna be like a funny fucking
Speaker 1: room in the hell going up. Send him to London
Speaker 1: for for theatrical career. Oh my god. At this point,
Speaker 1: I'm still not realizing that this is fucking Will Shakespeare
Speaker 1: leaving her and Susannah and Stratford. How did y'all feel
Speaker 1: about this, like her like sending them off? Did y'all
Speaker 1: think it was anything up with this? Y'all think he
Speaker 1: was like doing something while because it kind of for
Speaker 1: me alluded to maybe he was had a life outside
Speaker 1: of her or something like that. Did anybody have that thought?
Speaker 2: I just took it as he was passionate, like he
Speaker 2: was passionate about what he did. He didn't do it,
Speaker 2: and he does he doesn't do a good job of
Speaker 2: communicating the passion that he has for it, Like she
Speaker 2: looking like you gotta go out away to London to write.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, oh she didn't send him off to London.
Speaker 1: She did. She said she wanted to go to to go.
Speaker 1: That was part of the premonition. She was saying like, no,
Speaker 1: this is your calling basically, this is what you need
Speaker 1: to be doing. But I thought he brought up that
Speaker 1: he wanted to go there. No, this is later. Later
Speaker 1: he was like I need Later, he was like, I
Speaker 1: need to go, whereas before she was pushing him to go.
Speaker 1: You know, a good woman to do that. Man, they
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be the best version.
Speaker 3: What you gotta do, baby, go do it because I
Speaker 3: know I've seen the greatness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You know I don't touch your hand, so
Speaker 1: I got Yeah. So that's all y'all got on that part.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, she probably regretted later, but go ahead.
Speaker 1: No not Yeah, we do see that. Later she's pregnant
Speaker 1: and tries to go outside and give birth. This is
Speaker 1: what you were talking about earlier outside the house because
Speaker 1: it was part of something like her mom's mom always.
Speaker 2: I guess that's what she was bent over trying to
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I thought was weird because you don't give
Speaker 1: birth like that. But anyway, people.
Speaker 2: That really okay, they done it Game of Thrones if
Speaker 2: I'm mistake.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah they did. They did know something I just
Speaker 1: recently wanted to do. Oh and walking down what she
Speaker 1: tried to before. You know're not supposed I can't remember
Speaker 1: exactly why, but you're not supposed to. This is where
Speaker 1: she gets get to the twins, Hamnet and Judith, the
Speaker 1: latter appearing still born, which is Judith. Judith was the
Speaker 1: one that was still born. Remembering her mother's death. Actus
Speaker 1: demands to hold the baby despite superstition, and Judith away.
Speaker 2: So that's what the witch. It was obvious both of
Speaker 2: us just hit me right then when I because she
Speaker 2: wanted to hold us so she could bring the.
Speaker 1: Back to life. She said give me my baby because the.
Speaker 2: Lady wanted to do it, and she knew she could
Speaker 2: break go back to life. So that's I see what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all thought she brought the baby back the life.
Speaker 1: You didn't what happened to it was dead.
Speaker 3: I've just seen this in movies where you know, like
Speaker 3: giving the baby and then yeah, the mother's touch and
Speaker 3: then the baby just come back to life.
Speaker 1: Anytime there's a mother's touch, and that motherfuck comes back
Speaker 1: to life. There a witch. So that's why I took it.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were gonna be twins, so I just like,
Speaker 3: and again, it's just a movie.
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 3: They were just trying to build suspense, intension of drama.
Speaker 3: So that's how I took it, you know. But she
Speaker 3: maybe she would because that when.
Speaker 1: Yeah, turned the ass around real quick, like here you go.
Speaker 1: And y'a didn't think the belching like agony was was
Speaker 1: good and the belching like she was just like like
Speaker 1: when she realized that she thought the baby was dead. Oh,
Speaker 1: the acting was throughout the film. I thought the movie
Speaker 1: was whack. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't follow the story. Well, that's what I
Speaker 2: didn't like about.
Speaker 3: The acting was fine, the superstition aspect, because again you're
Speaker 3: playing into the whole witch elements.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the guy that plays Shakespeare did amazing. Oh God,
Speaker 2: did a great job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that and that's that's what That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna say earlier. That's the guy from Gladiator, right,
Speaker 1: I think that's the Yeah, I think that's something I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. I could be giving my wife and
Speaker 1: this stuff, but he looks like it's all good. So
Speaker 1: then they do like a pretty it's like a jump
Speaker 1: jump here where it's eleven years later. And that's that's
Speaker 1: another thing I liked about this movie. They didn't have
Speaker 1: to show eleven years later or such such later. You
Speaker 1: could they clearly tell that we were jumping to a
Speaker 1: different point, did y'all?
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was eleven years later.
Speaker 1: I thought she was a witch and the goddamn ya
Speaker 1: some help around the house. This motherfucker was gone for
Speaker 1: eleven years. No, no, no time, No, he was for
Speaker 1: eleven They just showed that, you know, he was obviously
Speaker 1: coming back.
Speaker 2: Back and forth for eleven years.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well if they didn't say it, then how
Speaker 1: did you know it was eleven years? Well, that's just
Speaker 1: that's in my notes that it was eleven. It was.
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was up. It was definitely.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they said I don't know if
Speaker 1: they said it, but they were, you know whatever, But
Speaker 1: you could you just tell they were older, honestly. And
Speaker 1: now William is successful. He returns and while the children
Speaker 1: grow up very close to Agnes, for tells the uh
Speaker 1: that Hamnet who wishes to join his father's theater company
Speaker 1: would flourish. So this is her seeing it again, just
Speaker 1: like those things. Also, what happens in this moment too?
Speaker 1: The hawk dies and is buried. She tells the children
Speaker 1: and children to make a wish to the hawk spirit,
Speaker 1: who she says, will carry them in his in his heart.
Speaker 1: How did y'all feel about any of this? While you
Speaker 1: rolling your eyes like this again, I was, I was
Speaker 1: thinking that, Okay, this is a horror movie, so at
Speaker 1: some point something interesting is gonna happen. Now that it's not,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't care. Who cares, y'all? The
Speaker 1: fucking bird dies? Oh tell the birdy wish? Shut up?
Speaker 2: Shut up?
Speaker 1: This is stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, the way they did the
Speaker 3: old shot of the bird, I think for music it
Speaker 3: did continue along with that thing of the which thing
Speaker 3: overhanging that you know, she may or may not have something,
Speaker 3: But I mean, for the most part, she her premonition
Speaker 3: were right, So you know, I guess maybe there is
Speaker 3: something there. But but yeah, I mean we you know,
Speaker 3: Hamlet did go join It's just not in the way
Speaker 3: you thought.
Speaker 2: He wrote that Burden to the afterlife.
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Speaker 1: to London. William Wonder's the streets doing an outbreak of
Speaker 1: the bublonic plague and watches a puppet show depicting the
Speaker 1: plague carrying people off to death. Do you remember this
Speaker 1: or whatever? And so in Stratford, Judy also contracts the play.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and this is where a Hamnet evokes the
Speaker 1: tell her the hawk to encourage her and lies beside her,
Speaker 1: proclaiming he wants to take her place. So I know
Speaker 1: y'all talking about this earlier. Indeed that it was dumb,
Speaker 1: But I thought it was sweet that he wanted to,
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe we can trick him, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like and I can, you know he'll
Speaker 1: he'll take me instead. Like oh, though this this is
Speaker 1: very Shakespearean like like stuff right here, Like how did
Speaker 1: y'all like this? It didn't register with me. I did
Speaker 1: when you say trick, trick who death? Death? M hmm.
Speaker 2: So death was gonna.
Speaker 1: Come for her. She didn't want to have the plague.
Speaker 1: He didn't confuse her. You didn't go for him.
Speaker 2: That's what was going.
Speaker 3: Like, he's not getting his jobs like he.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this. It's like death. Death was ready
Speaker 1: to clock out that day. He saw him and was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you here to hey man, we seeing in the final definition.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Death don't always get it right,
Speaker 1: but always it may take a minute, but he gets
Speaker 1: your as This ship was stupid stupid. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not stupid that this little kid would do that, because
Speaker 1: little kids are stupid, and it makes sense that little
Speaker 1: kids do stupid ship. I was more so just like
Speaker 1: where the fuck is where you witch? You know the
Speaker 1: daughter has the plague? How do you even get in
Speaker 1: there with her in the carne. How you get in
Speaker 1: it by herself?
Speaker 2: Why do he? It seems like as much as many
Speaker 2: This is why it frustrated me as many people that
Speaker 2: died from the plague. I knew it was a crazy thing.
Speaker 2: She's not like you said, I don't know what they
Speaker 2: got to put in the barn, but that I'm damn
Speaker 2: sure gonna watch my son because he may be naive
Speaker 2: enough to not know how fucking deadly this is or
Speaker 2: how this virus spreads, like, no, you not going anywhere
Speaker 2: near your sister. It's never gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Did were they knowledgeable about the plague? I know William knew,
Speaker 3: but did they know? Did the news they reach into them?
Speaker 3: You know they didn't know? And it was just the
Speaker 3: regular illness. Then she may not have had the wherewithal
Speaker 3: to do that, you know, so I could I could
Speaker 3: see that. But but what I will say, as a parent,
Speaker 3: when one kid is sick, you do keep the other
Speaker 3: kid away. So that's just that's just stand up protocol.
Speaker 1: You know what she did know what that her premitition
Speaker 1: says she only had two, so why wouldn't she be like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, this little motherfucker got this, got this sickness.
Speaker 1: Let me isolate her and put everybody else in another
Speaker 1: place because she might die whatever, whatever, whatever. It just man, No,
Speaker 1: this wasn't powerful to me. This wasn't emotional. It was like,
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. You're you're a shitty ass witch.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't focusing so much on her. I was just
Speaker 1: focusing on the moment with Hamnet, and especially be since
Speaker 1: it's called Hamnet, so I was wondering, you know, I
Speaker 1: was just really focusing on like, Okay, why you know
Speaker 1: it's called hamded it, Like, I guess you need to
Speaker 1: pay attention to this boy. He didn't even do ship,
Speaker 1: I know, and I was I was a little disappointed
Speaker 1: by that, but I do like he did so he
Speaker 1: died and yeah, yeah, I mean he was. He was
Speaker 1: the inspiration behind the place. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that's what what it was gonna be.
Speaker 3: It's you know, Shakespeare, so you knew something fucked up
Speaker 3: was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a of course, but for the whole
Speaker 1: movie to be named after this little motherfucker, I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna do some cool ship I did think that too.
Speaker 1: I did think that, but I wasn't mad at dying.
Speaker 1: That's not cool. It was not cool. It's not cool,
Speaker 1: but you know, I like I like that it was
Speaker 1: dedicated or whatever. Anyway, So because he did that, Judith
Speaker 1: recovers and Hamnet himself gets sick and basically dies. But
Speaker 1: on his deathbed, he envisions himself on a stage calling
Speaker 1: for his mother and acting, and the hawk is appearing.
Speaker 1: William like rushes home and he's you know, he's sad.
Speaker 1: I thought this was really good. Y'all. Didn't like this
Speaker 1: When he came in he saw that Judith was was
Speaker 1: was not sick anymore, and she was alive, not realizing,
Speaker 1: oh ship, now my son has died.
Speaker 2: Y'all didn't like this work, y'all? Yeah, I mean again,
Speaker 2: the acting was great. It just the story was so
Speaker 2: I did like this boy him reacting to it. How
Speaker 2: you could tell how herd he was as a dad.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he was happy at first because she was
Speaker 1: because he's still because he didn't know because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't he didn't have phones and no ship.
Speaker 1: All he knew was that the daughter. While he was traveling,
Speaker 1: he was going to try to see if his daughter.
Speaker 1: How do you know that part? I mean I thought
Speaker 1: he saw was that bird. He was like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: the bird's flying, let me run home. Well, I just
Speaker 1: you know, you know word traveled that I don't know see. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't need that because we knew that they got met.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we've all seen Game of Throws and
Speaker 1: all the other ship. I would be with you if
Speaker 1: this motherfucker didn't look at this flying bird and jump
Speaker 1: on his horse and start going. But I think he
Speaker 1: would have known about the bird too, right, Rob, He's
Speaker 1: not going to race home because he heard a bird died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he heard word of his his daughter, which is why
Speaker 1: he got there. He thought it was the daughter because
Speaker 1: he's been traveling and he has no other word that
Speaker 1: is his son. So when he gets there, he's concerned
Speaker 1: about the daughter. So I thought that was good that
Speaker 1: you know, that shows the time and that you know,
Speaker 1: in his travel he's worried about his daughter. But when
Speaker 1: he gets there, he's like, oh, ship, him knew, How
Speaker 1: did you feel about it?
Speaker 3: No, I thought it was I thought it was good.
Speaker 3: Like he was like a lady. He was happy. He
Speaker 3: was like, oh, you better cool, We're good, we Gucci,
Speaker 3: and then he was saying it was like my poor son,
Speaker 3: my poor baby, and you know it was it's always
Speaker 3: your one of your worst nightmares as a parent. But
Speaker 3: you walk in and you you see that your daughter
Speaker 3: is as well, and you're happy, you're relieved, only to
Speaker 3: you know, for that nightmare to be around right around
Speaker 3: the corner, like right there right behind you. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: and oh my god, the mom, oh man, the scream,
Speaker 3: the pain that she shown.
Speaker 1: I think this is the part where she screamed, not
Speaker 1: the not the first Yeah, that part was good, And
Speaker 1: so was the part where the daughter Judith, which is
Speaker 1: the older daughter Susannah Susannah, when she was getting dragged
Speaker 1: away and she was like, no, he needs me. That
Speaker 1: part was really good. Yeah. Yeah, oh and then she
Speaker 1: also said that I thought the daughter was also like,
Speaker 1: don't you see that he's done? Like he's gone, like
Speaker 1: like the mom didn't want that was the other lady
Speaker 1: that was the that was that was the other lady
Speaker 1: that said that they say, can't you see that's he's gone?
Speaker 1: That was either that that was either William's mother, and
Speaker 1: there was also some other lady that was like a
Speaker 1: midwife or some I think it was some mom that's
Speaker 1: actually really good in stuff. I forgot her. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: is really good.
Speaker 2: I fear her name too, but she's a really good actor.
Speaker 1: But anyway, this causes like some strange strain in the marriage,
Speaker 1: like because he's you know, the death of the son,
Speaker 1: so she's basically depressed and and grieving and then he's
Speaker 1: dealing with it in his own way. He's going back
Speaker 1: to London working things like that. But in the intern though,
Speaker 1: he does buy the largest house in Stratford and departs
Speaker 1: for London again. Agnes holds his hand and says she
Speaker 1: now sees nothing because at this point, like she doesn't
Speaker 1: want them to go. What you said, it came back
Speaker 1: and by it in the butt. Like first she was
Speaker 1: telling him like, yeah, go there, get money for the family,
Speaker 1: you know, come back with the bread and we live.
Speaker 1: Well what he did, yeah, yeah he was bomb but
Speaker 1: yeah it just wasn't enough for her, like especially in
Speaker 1: this moment, in this time or whatever. So how do
Speaker 1: y'all feel about this conflict?
Speaker 3: You know, seeing them kind of deal with and process
Speaker 3: grieving in their own way. You know, her losing a
Speaker 3: child that she carried, you know him probably is feeling
Speaker 3: some sort of guilt for not being there, you know,
Speaker 3: being in the whole of the city, leaving her there alone,
Speaker 3: not being there to support her through this moment. If
Speaker 3: he was there, he p really he could have been
Speaker 3: the one who was like, no, you don't need to
Speaker 3: be in there with your sister. Your sister needs to
Speaker 3: get get well. We need to we you know, he
Speaker 3: probably knew more about the play. It was like, this
Speaker 3: is a very serious disease that is going around, so
Speaker 3: we need to keep everybody like isolated. So who and
Speaker 3: you know his way is to I'm a just floss.
Speaker 3: I'm but just buy the biggest house that he doesn't
Speaker 3: even live in, you know. And you know we see
Speaker 3: later on which I'm sure to get to him also
Speaker 3: reacting on all other people, so you know, I you know,
Speaker 3: it was it was good seeing all that kind of
Speaker 3: play out.
Speaker 1: Got you an y'all got anything on this.
Speaker 2: You can see the strain from him being away. He
Speaker 2: was pouring all of his passion and emotion into his writing.
Speaker 2: He wasn't point any into his home, and I think
Speaker 2: that kind of when she said she doesn't see anything
Speaker 2: no more, because there was no passion for his family.
Speaker 2: She didn't believe, but he was a certain all of
Speaker 2: that to what he was writing.
Speaker 1: Right, So, you knowing that he's William Shakespeare at this point,
Speaker 1: did you like that? Did you?
Speaker 2: It made sense because like, how else would William Shakespeare
Speaker 2: become William skespeare passionate as he was that liking? So
Speaker 2: it made sense.
Speaker 1: I like, Mike, Yeah, I was like, man, she is
Speaker 1: sorry as they should have fucking burned her at the stake.
Speaker 2: She's sorry.
Speaker 1: I never said that she was a witch. She didn't
Speaker 1: have to say it. I could tell she had a
Speaker 1: fucking three babies with no umbilical course. It's a movie, man. Nah. Nah,
Speaker 1: she couldn't bring a little motherfucker back to life. She
Speaker 1: is sorry, ass witch. She should have tried that again.
Speaker 1: Give me my baby, Bobby Boo, bring that motherfucker back
Speaker 1: to life, all right? Man. So now we move into
Speaker 1: like where William is rehearsing Hamlet in London, And at
Speaker 1: this point I know y'all think I'm stupid, but I
Speaker 1: still don't not realize that this is William Shakespeare. But
Speaker 1: it's frustrated with his cast for the lack of passion.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. And this is where we hear the famous
Speaker 1: quote to be or not to be that when it clicked,
Speaker 1: y'all was like, oh shit, I think this is uh
Speaker 1: Wayne Shakespeare. Wow. And but yeah, so yeah, how did
Speaker 1: y'all feel about that? I mean, I know I was dumb.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it, but there was that A nice
Speaker 1: review to y'all or I like that the it was.
Speaker 2: Like you said, the Leo moment. Yeah, I mean like,
Speaker 2: oh he said the thing.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt too, he said, word, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it was cool.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a famous line. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it hit in the in the way that I guess
Speaker 3: maybe they thought it it would, but you know it,
Speaker 3: it was still cool. They had to write it in
Speaker 3: and there. I just like the fact that he was
Speaker 3: just cussing out everybody else that was working there.
Speaker 1: He was like, again, y'all not passionate enough, like but
Speaker 1: then he did it and he saw the difference. But
Speaker 1: I was like, that's not fair, man. This is your experience,
Speaker 1: so of course you're gonna gonna deliver it differently. You know.
Speaker 2: I think the director would be a good director would
Speaker 2: be like that. I think, what do you mean, like
Speaker 2: in movies when you see people actors say like some
Speaker 2: directors bring certain stuff out of them because they want
Speaker 2: them like they are that passionate and telling them like,
Speaker 2: you're not doing it right, Do it again, do it again,
Speaker 2: do it again. I think that's part of good directing,
Speaker 2: your storytelling.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he was acting that way before, before.
Speaker 2: It had to do with the loser of his son,
Speaker 2: they should have said, I thought your little son died,
Speaker 2: maybe a fucking babysitter or something. Why you yelling at me,
Speaker 2: punk ass?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see.
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew this that though, not unless
Speaker 2: he told him.
Speaker 1: I don't think he knew that, because that's in a
Speaker 1: whole nother place where that bird ghost told him. But
Speaker 1: and then I also noticed that, you know, the play
Speaker 1: was called Hamlet and not ham Knitt, and I I
Speaker 1: just initially thought that he was just trying to protect
Speaker 1: the instance of his son's name or I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I just thought, yeah, he just tried to change
Speaker 1: it a little bit so it won't be his actual
Speaker 1: son's name, which I thought was interesting because I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know that about Hamlet. I read that,
Speaker 1: but I still don't really get it? What were they
Speaker 1: say that those names are interchangeable. Basically they mean the
Speaker 1: same thing, So that's what I'm saying. So I think
Speaker 1: that's why, because this worry is about his son, so
Speaker 1: he just in this movie, just in general, I think
Speaker 1: they're saying that the name Hamlet and ham Net just
Speaker 1: in the term in English, the term the the literature itself.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. I thought they were basically like saying,
Speaker 1: like Mark and Mike are the same name. You're saying
Speaker 1: they're saying specifically in this reference. So maybe stood is
Speaker 1: it two different like languages or something. It's not because
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: In Spanish they called like it translated George is similar.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's funny, but but but I think
Speaker 1: they just are the same. They're interchangeable. It's basically what
Speaker 1: but specifically to this maybe I don't call me, don't
Speaker 1: don't quote me on that. At first I thought that
Speaker 1: was right, but it could be it could be handed
Speaker 1: his Hamley for real, right, that's why.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, because this is historical fiction, you know,
Speaker 3: built around Shakespeare's son Stealth. But that part in the beginning,
Speaker 3: I thought maybe back in the day that it did
Speaker 3: mean the same thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't look up to see how in a way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then when we get to this part, I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: maybe that's what they meant, Like since he changed the
Speaker 3: name of the play to Hamlet, that's why they they
Speaker 3: were saying, they kind of meant the same thing.
Speaker 1: So what Google says is that the play Hamlet draws
Speaker 1: from an older Danish legend, but the similarity in names
Speaker 1: Hamnet Hamlet, and the timing fuels the popular theory that
Speaker 1: Shakespeare channeled his grief into his famous tragedy. So it's
Speaker 1: not really I guess I don't know where I read
Speaker 1: that they were the same, but it's not. Okay, yeah, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, what actually happened to Himnet isn't the
Speaker 1: Hamlet store right right right, I'm saying. So I thought
Speaker 1: that was interesting. It's just an inspiration for the story
Speaker 1: he wrote for Hamlet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is that yeah? Yeah yeah, So they
Speaker 3: put that at the beginning. They wanted to take the
Speaker 3: truth story of his son dying and try to use
Speaker 3: that as the inspiration for Hamlet.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was good. I thought I really
Speaker 1: liked that. I'm want to put out some things about
Speaker 1: the play itself. But so yeah, Agnes stepmother Jones. She
Speaker 1: shows her the play bill for the production of Hamlet
Speaker 1: in London and but but Agnet basically rebukes her and
Speaker 1: and they travel to London and see William, finding him
Speaker 1: absent from his home. They resolved to attend his performance
Speaker 1: at the Hamlet at the Golden Globe Theater, and Agnes
Speaker 1: is initially offended at her son's name being profane. They
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, yeah, don't you say the name of
Speaker 1: my son? That was? That was not damn you say
Speaker 1: the name of my thunnest. I think at this point
Speaker 1: this is where they started saying that it's William Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh ship, they said it was
Speaker 1: William Shakespeare right when they got to town. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: remember the dude said, why is William Shakespeare living in
Speaker 1: a place? Like that's right and that You're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, damn it. Yeah, I was. That's hilarious. I
Speaker 1: know I watched this alone.
Speaker 2: I did, Okay, I did earlier.
Speaker 1: I did watch it alone. But yeah, I don't know, man, Like,
Speaker 1: like I just didn't I didn't know. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking, Like I just
Speaker 1: it just wasn't connecting that that this was William Shakespeare,
Speaker 1: and so I thought that was so cool that he
Speaker 1: was William Shakespeare. And I was like, oh, ship, that's
Speaker 1: why the motherfuckers so cold with with with the lyrics,
Speaker 1: was so cold with the bars.
Speaker 3: Shakespeare my number one rapper in the of the day, right,
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn three. I did think it was funny
Speaker 3: when she tried to lie at and tried to lie
Speaker 3: to the people in the city about what the play
Speaker 3: was about. And she was like, nah, we know your child, Danny,
Speaker 3: we know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Don't sit here and try to pull that ship on us.
Speaker 1: That was when she handed the play building ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she went in.
Speaker 2: I think this was the best part of the movie.
Speaker 1: So okay, well you didn't like this work.
Speaker 2: He was supposed to be the ghost of it on
Speaker 2: right when he came out in Yes, I believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was fire.
Speaker 2: He absolutely fire. He put his foot in his acting
Speaker 2: bag because he came out and he nailed it, like
Speaker 2: he absolutely he made her shut up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was. She was just like y'ost she had
Speaker 1: to be quiet and appreciate greatness. She's like, oh, ship, dude,
Speaker 1: this was captivating. Would you not think it was captivating?
Speaker 1: Because I don't fucking like Shakespeare's plays, So having to
Speaker 1: watch someone watching a fucking play, I was like, what
Speaker 1: is this ship man? Are y'all serious? That not y'all
Speaker 1: but the movie? Are they serious? Like? Are we seriously
Speaker 1: watching them watch this fucking boring ass play?
Speaker 2: I felt like they're going into that in that scene.
Speaker 2: But then he acted out and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: but I swear I said the same thing, like we're
Speaker 2: not gonna watch him watch a play, like we're not
Speaker 2: going to watch her watch a play. And then she
Speaker 2: on top of that, she's interrupting it too. But then
Speaker 2: when he came out in the white and shit, was like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, this thing so and then you talk about
Speaker 2: the team, team, team like that was a part of
Speaker 2: the play. And then and if you think about it,
Speaker 2: he was doing that with his son. So that's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. It was like inspired. The Hamlet story was
Speaker 2: inspired because Hamlet was about him with his son. It
Speaker 2: was just about like revenge from the killing.
Speaker 1: Of the king. I got that because I knew it
Speaker 1: was Shakespeare. Yeah, I mean, but like, but it was cool.
Speaker 1: It was a callback because it's just like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: where that came from. Think he's drawing from things with
Speaker 1: his family and things with you know, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: damn that, that's that's really cool. How did you feel,
Speaker 1: a buddy king? No, I liked it. I liked it.
Speaker 1: I was I was like her. I was offended too.
Speaker 3: I was like, bro, the nerve with you to see
Speaker 3: it and run off to England, leave your wife behind
Speaker 3: with her own grief. You bought this big ass house,
Speaker 3: you're not even standing and she back there in this
Speaker 3: fucking cabin or whatever it is, and uh and and
Speaker 3: you're up here living the life, and then you don't
Speaker 3: have the nerve to write this damn play.
Speaker 1: The play was called Hamlet, and didn't they say ham
Speaker 1: Let in the play? That's what I think might be like, Man,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, I ain't talking about your little past.
Speaker 1: Can she heard him? Then? Yeah? So?
Speaker 3: But nah, I thought I thought, I thought this this
Speaker 3: was good, like seeing her drastic like turn around from
Speaker 3: from horror and you know, being upset to appreciation, you
Speaker 3: know as well, so Mike, you know, like when when
Speaker 3: he held out his we didn't held out his hand,
Speaker 3: and the way she's just like man were like touching her.
Speaker 3: She got to touch her kid for one last time.
Speaker 1: Almost No, she didn't. That motherfucker beard with that bird.
Speaker 1: But that's how strong that that That's how that's showing
Speaker 1: how powerful the playing because it's like this lady was grieving,
Speaker 1: like really she remember she came into this whole ship
Speaker 1: distraught and turned out a whole new chick like she
Speaker 1: was laughing by the end of this.
Speaker 3: I was grieving and handless. Handless backstage like fuck I
Speaker 3: killed that ship. He did, but I wrote the hell out.
Speaker 1: Of that ship. I didn't know what I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to do this ship. I do this ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm like, I am big motherfuckerg Yeah for real, kid,
Speaker 1: that's how he was. I just didn't. I can't look
Speaker 1: at this scene and really understand why they're all reaching
Speaker 1: out to touch his hand like that. It didn't hit
Speaker 1: me like that, so it's like, this is ridiculous. Why
Speaker 1: are y'all acting like this? Y'all don't even know him
Speaker 1: in it. But that's how that's how much you're into
Speaker 1: the story, which I thought was cool because we get
Speaker 1: into stories like I mean, we watched movies, right, we cry,
Speaker 1: We laugh. Last Cloud acted, I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 1: You know, y'all Cut y'all, I'll reach your hands out
Speaker 1: and cut. That's true. So I think in this time
Speaker 1: it was a really good depension of depiction of like
Speaker 1: them being really into the story. That how good of
Speaker 1: a writers. But we saw that they do the little
Speaker 1: puppet plays and ship and that's just wax. I guess, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's why he wanted Michael Jackson. No, I ain't
Speaker 1: Shakespeare wasn't. No said one of those puppies like Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: I said, it's like Michael Jackson, everybody be trying to
Speaker 2: touch it this.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, but Noah, Man, I really enjoy
Speaker 1: I'm with Spike Man and Ken. I really enjoyed this
Speaker 1: part because it just showed like that that time period's
Speaker 1: equal like equality to like you know, how we watch
Speaker 1: a good ass film or whatever. Like I thought that
Speaker 1: was dope, man. And you know, her going in there,
Speaker 1: like I said, realizing that it's it's actually about her son,
Speaker 1: because what actually happens is when when he does come
Speaker 1: out as the ghost of Hamlet's father, she realizes that
Speaker 1: the play is a tribute to Himnet and you can
Speaker 1: see that realization, and she's like, oh, Ship, this is
Speaker 1: what you've been doing. This is how you've been grieving,
Speaker 1: you know, because she can you know, she know she's
Speaker 1: been grieving, and this is the way he's he's he's
Speaker 1: been handling, which moves her to tears. By The scene
Speaker 1: between Hamlet and his father with your guys already kind
Speaker 1: of alluded to backstage is where we see William notice
Speaker 1: Agnes break down in tears while listening to the play
Speaker 1: and returns to watch her from the wings. Played progressions
Speaker 1: through the scenes, swore fighting, which we talked about, uh
Speaker 1: doing the scene where Hamlet dies, that's what we did,
Speaker 1: talked about the reaching out towards the actor's hand. Then
Speaker 1: she had visions then this after that, that's what she envisions.
Speaker 1: Hamnet on the stage, seen earlier as his dying vision,
Speaker 1: now moving from sadness to a smile before disappearing into
Speaker 1: the backstage through a hole like the one of the
Speaker 1: mystical forest in the cave for the first time since
Speaker 1: Hamnon's death, Agnes lasts and smiles. Stupid correct man, This
Speaker 1: was so man, This was beautiful was on stage. This
Speaker 1: was beautiful, man. That damn ghost was the smile too.
Speaker 1: I thought they bodied the end of this man like
Speaker 1: it was very similar to the For me, I thought
Speaker 1: it was very similar to the to the one we
Speaker 1: just had. We just watched with sentimental value, with the
Speaker 1: expressions of like how you see it changed without her
Speaker 1: actually saying something, and you see the connection between with
Speaker 1: William and her they look at each other. It's just
Speaker 1: like an unspoken relief, Like he feels relief that people,
Speaker 1: you know, that he made something that's very powerful in
Speaker 1: the name of his son to uh what am I
Speaker 1: trying to say? To honor him? To honor his son?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought that was dope. And then she
Speaker 1: she appreciated and I know that was the satisfaction for
Speaker 1: him that she actually appreciated it and got it right.
Speaker 1: So nah, man, I thought they did very well with it.
Speaker 1: And like I said, even though it's a tragedy, she
Speaker 1: was able to find the silver lining in it or
Speaker 1: whatever to be able to laugh and smile. So that's
Speaker 1: how I felt about it. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: fuck was funny, even if I'm just looking at the play.
Speaker 1: What are you giggling about? Woman? Your son is? It's
Speaker 1: like relief, It's like you. It's like the laugh after
Speaker 1: you have some after grief, right Like. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you ever had that moment before, but I've had
Speaker 1: similar moments like that, where you know, laugh no not
Speaker 1: not like somebody's dad was gonna be on stage the
Speaker 1: sun Yeah, said that Hamlet was gonna be said earlier
Speaker 1: you checked out.
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought that's what she chuckled about.
Speaker 1: Okay, that see he's played better. But Mike, he's gonna
Speaker 1: ask her, what the are you laughing at? When he came.
Speaker 1: I didn't put nothing funny. I thought you was in
Speaker 1: my play? Are you laughing about.
Speaker 2: Laughing at my sol?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be dad, if you was at home paying tention,
Speaker 1: you're laughing at my play. And she was blaming him too,
Speaker 1: she was, I was fucked up. How are you gonna
Speaker 1: blame me? I wouldn't even here. I was with them,
Speaker 1: you were, you're with him? He was upstairs told me
Speaker 1: to leave. You sure did. And you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: all seeing ass witchet to go back to witch school. Bro,
Speaker 1: you suck that the original gas are you right now? Bullshit?
Speaker 1: That was messed up? That was really should have put
Speaker 1: her on the fucking pole. And let her on fire.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's sorry as hell. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you don't think she was a witch. She sees
Speaker 1: a dead sorry. She got all of it right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. She saw a dead person on
Speaker 1: the stage. Nobody else saw that dead ass motherfucker but her.
Speaker 1: She is a witch. This is a connection she had,
Speaker 1: man to the witch world, to the witch world anyway, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought even the way he redesigned the
Speaker 1: set like to be you know, as a dedication to
Speaker 1: her as well, because she was so connected to the forest,
Speaker 1: that cave, all of that, so all that he thought
Speaker 1: about all of that, I thought that was really cool. Man.
Speaker 1: It was like a love like just like a letter
Speaker 1: to to her, like because she just would not listen
Speaker 1: to him, and she and she was mad at him.
Speaker 1: And this play was so powerful that it basically brought
Speaker 1: him back together. But we don't know what they got
Speaker 1: back to. We don't know if they got back together
Speaker 1: or she. I don't know. He in the city with
Speaker 1: a big ass house, He wouldn't found some better ship
Speaker 1: this witch. No more, bro moved up. Have me another
Speaker 1: song with somebody else. But do y'all have any any,
Speaker 1: any last thoughts about the about everything but the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm glad y'all liked it because I was gonna when
Speaker 1: I walked in here, I was gonna say that we
Speaker 1: need to be a little bit more discerning about the
Speaker 1: movies we paid because I really expected everyone here to
Speaker 1: hate this. I thought I was gonna hate it. But
Speaker 1: since y'all liked it, then fine, I me, we can
Speaker 1: yeah where it is this week. And I honestly don't
Speaker 1: think we always always got a review ship that we
Speaker 1: know we're gonna like. I don't mind reviewing ship that
Speaker 1: out of my wheelhouse. I don't either, But if it's
Speaker 1: something that everybody here yeah, like I don't want to
Speaker 1: watch this, then that's a different story. That is a
Speaker 1: different story. So y'all ended up liking it, then it
Speaker 1: worked out. But I don't want to watch no more
Speaker 1: Shakespeare bullshit.
Speaker 3: That's why sometimes I like watch this stuff out of
Speaker 3: my wheelhouse because I will I may actually end up
Speaker 3: liking it.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe you like this anyway. I see the
Speaker 1: awards with sentimental value with this, I do not see it. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what this was nominated for the
Speaker 1: Best Picture that's crazy unless it's to put people to sleep.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, man, this this hit, this
Speaker 1: hit what this this doesn't even sound right like? I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, just it was. It was a good
Speaker 1: story from from starting to finish to me, especially being
Speaker 1: that that hacause you like romance, but this wasn't really
Speaker 1: as a trate you like. And then the you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of overhanging thing of her being a witch
Speaker 1: is what I like. See that didn't go anywhere. That
Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere for him. That's my problem. Don't introduce
Speaker 1: her being a witch and she's not gonna do nothing cool.
Speaker 1: I feel like they didn't need that part. How would
Speaker 1: you expect them, man, I already asked you the fact
Speaker 1: that they need the witch for it, then they needed
Speaker 1: in bilical cords. Man, movies do that, not movies like this,
Speaker 1: movies do this. Maybe they didn't have the bblical cords
Speaker 1: back in the day like that. I liked it because
Speaker 1: it was like because they always.
Speaker 3: They always accused people to being a witch, but without
Speaker 3: actual real proof, it's just kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: It's just like you're just talking about some of the
Speaker 1: rumors and ship like that. Well, if the movie left
Speaker 1: that ambiguous, that would be a different story. But she's like,
Speaker 1: oh I see my son on stage and a premonition.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, so then you're a witch then so
Speaker 1: do something cool, fly make some kind of love potion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was hoping for a different movie. I was hoping
Speaker 1: for something good. Yeah, he was living for something different.
Speaker 1: But that's fine. But yeah, man, no I enjoyed them.
Speaker 1: Glad you enjoyed the King would have been up shit
Speaker 1: create Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 1: Fighting for my life up but but I wouldn't have been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I thought it was good man. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: glad we are ended up watching it. It wasn't task
Speaker 1: too though. I will say that this one took me
Speaker 1: two times to get through. So yeah, but once I
Speaker 1: got through it, I was like, all right, cool, I
Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, man, yeah, this has been another
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