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Speaker 1: Live from val Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: I am only one man with one opinion on President

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Speaker 2: Trump's speech last night.

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Speaker 1: You are your own man or woman or man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's basically your options, Tony Kats. Tony Kats today, Good

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Speaker 1: to be with you, and you've got your opinions on

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Speaker 1: the speech last night. Ed Morrissey has his opinion as well.

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Speaker 2: Ed Morrissey joins me right now from hotair dot com.

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Speaker 2: President Trump speaks to America last night prime time address. Now,

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Speaker 2: I will tell you, Ed that I have been saying

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Speaker 2: for a while that they have to sell the story

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Speaker 2: to America.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's going on with the economy. We understand things

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Speaker 1: aren't great.

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Speaker 2: Right now, here's what we did here, here's what we

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Speaker 2: did there. Here's what's going to start working. And here's

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Speaker 2: what it's gonna matter. And yes, we have these investments,

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Speaker 2: and yes they're not yet in the ground yet, they're

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Speaker 2: not shovel ready yet. We're not seeing the dollars yet.

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Speaker 2: But when we do, here's what happens, and here's how

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Speaker 2: it's better. Here's how this all turns around. They had

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Speaker 2: started this with we're gonna fix this in a day.

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Speaker 2: And now they want to get into well, we had

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Speaker 2: to fix Biden's mess. I don't mind the admission that

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Speaker 2: you have to fix Biden's mess. I think it was

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Speaker 2: very poor messaging from the beginning. I have said so repeatedly.

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Speaker 2: I said so on Sean Spicer's show. That got to

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Speaker 2: Scott Bezett, the Treasury Secretary. Steve Bannon brought it up

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Speaker 2: to Scott Bessett and then referred to me as a

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Speaker 2: stock Republican, which might be the most insulting.

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Speaker 1: Thing I have ever heard in my entire life.

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Speaker 2: Stock Republican Steve Bannon kiss Mike Anyway, And now I'm

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Speaker 2: seeing them tell the story, which is really good and

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Speaker 2: really important, except I don't know if I liked the

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Speaker 2: way they told the story.

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Speaker 1: Last night. You read the speech, you didn't watch it,

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Speaker 1: which I love.

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Speaker 2: You read the speech, and there's always a little bit

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Speaker 2: of difference in the two things.

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Speaker 1: What did you take from it? Well?

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Speaker 3: I took that this is really the launch, the official

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Speaker 3: launch of the midterm campaign. You know, the White House

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Speaker 3: has been saying that Donald Trump is really going to

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Speaker 3: put himself at the top of the ticket. This is

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Speaker 3: a little unusual for presidents who generally like to have

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Speaker 3: really want to make it a referendum on their presidency.

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Speaker 3: But this is a little bit different situation. The majorities

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Speaker 3: are so narrow in Congress that Donald Trump is really

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Speaker 3: needs to make sure that he can do whatever he

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Speaker 3: can to hold serve in both the House and the

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Speaker 3: Senate if he wants to have any of these policies

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Speaker 3: be made permit. Most of the stuff that he's done

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Speaker 3: so far has been on executive authority, right, which can

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Speaker 3: be reversed. This is the reason why he was able

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Speaker 3: to reverse a lot of what Biden did was because

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Speaker 3: Biden didn't get a lot of this stuff through Congress.

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Speaker 3: Biden did it on executive authority, and so legitimately, I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying that was legitimate, but the thing about executive

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Speaker 3: authority is that when you get a different executive they

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Speaker 3: can change everything. And Trump has done that, and Biden

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Speaker 3: did it to Trump before that, and Trump did it

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Speaker 3: to Obama before that. What I took from this is

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Speaker 3: then this morning he got a gift because the consumer

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Speaker 3: Price Index numbers came out and it was unexpectedly significantly

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Speaker 1: Seven percent as opposed to the three point one percent

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Speaker 1: that was predicted.

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Speaker 3: Right, And it's down from the summer spike. And you know,

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Speaker 3: and I know that inflation rose over the summer, but

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Speaker 3: did we elect Donald Trump to do? We elected him

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Speaker 3: he's done that as well. So he took victory laps

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Speaker 3: on all those things and that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 3: But he did focus mostly on economics, which is what

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Speaker 3: we talked about this last week. We said, you know,

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Speaker 3: go out and get his he needs to tune this

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Speaker 3: message up. The only way he's going to do that,

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Speaker 3: you think the performer is to go out on the

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Speaker 3: road and tight and do the youth.

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Speaker 1: I think last night was his tight ten.

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Speaker 3: No, I think he's getting closer to it.

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Speaker 3: I think he's getting closer to it. And that wasn't

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Speaker 3: really a format for a tight ten anyway. I mean this,

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Speaker 3: a White House address that is sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: the whole thing. Seemed like he delivered it fairly in

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Speaker 3: a fairly disciplined manner, didn't stray too much, had all

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Speaker 3: the usual bomb bass that was written into the speech.

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Speaker 3: So if you read the speech, it's written into the speech,

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Speaker 3: and that's classic Donald Trump. And I think he's going

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Speaker 3: to be who he's going to be. But yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think it was. It's a fairly effective speech. Whether it

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Speaker 3: But it's not going to move the needle by doing

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Speaker 1: Let me, let me engage in some disagreement here talking

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Speaker 1: to Ed Marssey off hot air dot com. It's an

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Speaker 1: effective message. It was not an effective speech. It was

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Speaker 1: in a matter of delivery. It didn't. It did not

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Speaker 1: So it makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is going down the road a better explaining oneselves,

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Speaker 2: and yes, there are plenty of good things to talk about.

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Speaker 2: The problem is there hasn't been a messaging until now,

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Speaker 1: So you've got people engaging in these very kind of

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Speaker 1: we're there everywhere scattershot conversations trying to figure out which

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Speaker 1: to be able to lead that down.

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Speaker 2: There are successes, for sure, and now you've got to

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Speaker 2: go about pummeling a media that refuses to talk about

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Speaker 2: those successes. So sending the proper message is one thing.

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Speaker 2: Now how do you get media to come along with you?

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Speaker 2: And how do you counter that? That's I think the next.

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Speaker 1: Step for this White House as you start to build

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Speaker 1: the momentum towards what happens with this economy on July first,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I or you can argue maybe July, the

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Speaker 3: but it's rumored to be around four persons.

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Speaker 1: We all agree four percent GDP is out of control growth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So again I think, but there's going to be

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Speaker 3: I guess to Reagan's midterm message in nineteen eighty two,

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Speaker 3: And Reagan's message in that midterm was stay the course.

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Speaker 3: And that's going to be Trump's message. He's just not Reagan,

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Speaker 3: so he's not going to deliver it like Reagan. Reagan

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Speaker 3: go out and dazzle people with this message. But the

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Speaker 2: Talking to Ed Morrissey off hotair dot Com, one of

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Speaker 2: the things in the speech really quick was the Warrior

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Speaker 2: Dividend seventeen hundred and seventy six dollars to four hundred

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Speaker 1: I don't mind military members getting a bonus.

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Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to complain about, but seventeen hundred

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Speaker 2: this could very much be taken as, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: like paying off student loans. We're just going to buy

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Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if a mechanism already exists to

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Speaker 2: see people complain about this. But this is just a

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Speaker 2: little bit of qt QTEs and I don't know how

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Speaker 2: You want to give the bonus, Give the damn bonus.

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Speaker 3: I would have preferred seventeen eighty seven because that's when

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Speaker 3: in eighteen oh four. We should have done eighteen hundred

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Speaker 3: stimulus checks, which is what this is. Really. I am

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Speaker 3: fine with them doing a bonus to the military. Uh,

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Speaker 3: they're paying for it through the tariff income that's going

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Speaker 3: military dividends, the warrior dividends, the prop They probably won't

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Speaker 3: fight it because it's just it's going to look too

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Speaker 2: They get four Republicans, including Representative mich Lawler of New York,

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, let's just talk about the discharge petition.

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Speaker 2: But I do wonder just on the politics of it.

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Speaker 2: You talk about malpractice, right, That was the word that

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Speaker 1: That's the word you used. This is the.

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Speaker 2: Second discharge petition going around regular order. You have a

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think they want to do that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: With the idea of the money not going to insurance companies,

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Speaker 2: not going to hospitals, but going back to the people.

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Speaker 2: This is the idea that somehow this is going to

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Speaker 2: lower the costs. I haven't seen where the great cell

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Speaker 2: job on this has taken place and how Republicans are

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Speaker 2: supposed to fight the Democrats response of you're taking away

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Speaker 2: people's health care, so it anything that is market solution

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Speaker 2: by ninety nine percent favor right. I got to hear

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Speaker 2: protect Grimes. That's the thing that keeps me from one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. But they haven't sold it. All I did

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Speaker 2: is say it's got to lower costs in a very

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Speaker 2: well might, But they never sold it and never explained that.

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Speaker 1: How do you expect us to win?

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Speaker 3: Well exactly, no, no, no, I completely agree with you

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Speaker 3: on this. They have never come back in full throated

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Speaker 3: favor of a market based plan to eliminate the third

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Speaker 3: party payer issue, to go back to a reform that

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Speaker 3: where the healthcare market resembles other parts of the healthcare

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Speaker 3: market that actually work properly, like you know, elective plastic

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Speaker 3: surgery LASIK, that type of thing, where insurance companies aren't involved,

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Speaker 3: which prompts a lot more providers to enter into the market,

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Speaker 3: It reduces the overhead costs, it creates a competition among providers. Instead,

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Speaker 3: they're just trying to tweak around the insurance company model,

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Speaker 3: the comprehensive insurance model, which is part of what the

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Speaker 3: problem was and which Obamacare actually amplifies rather than reforms.

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Speaker 3: And the problem with that is John McCain actually tried

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Speaker 3: to argue this in two thousand and nine twenty ten.

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Speaker 3: He offered a different He offered a market based plan,

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Speaker 3: and the Democrats, demagogue did into you know, into oblivion.

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Speaker 3: Of course, they had you know, firm control over Congress

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Speaker 3: at that time, large majorities about the House and the Senate.

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Speaker 3: They were able to basically dictate things anyway, but at

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Speaker 3: least they put it out there at that time. They've

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Speaker 3: never come back to that. And this is that is

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Speaker 3: the actual solution for this. It's the it's you know,

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Speaker 3: health savings accounts, catastrophic coverage or hospitalization coverage, however you

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Speaker 3: want to frame that, and everything else is you know,

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Speaker 3: cash payment through your through expanded health savings accounts, and

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Speaker 3: prices will drop, providers will enter the market, You will

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Speaker 3: get better results, and you will eliminate third parties from

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Speaker 3: making medical decisions that really should be between doctors and

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Speaker 3: patients and Ed, nobody wants to stand up for that.

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Speaker 1: Insurance should be for cancer and car accidents and everything

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Speaker 1: else should be handled like the way you handle your mechanic.

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Speaker 1: You need new brakes, you pay for new breaks, exactly, absolutectly.

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Speaker 1: Ed Morrissey, hotair dot com. I appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 1: time to be with us. More coming up on Tony

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Speaker 1: Katz than this is Tony Katz today