1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Live from vall Hartbayer and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Here's a Mayor Bowser surprising comments perhaps on what's happening here. 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: We greatly appreciate the surge of officers that enhance what 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 3: MPD has been able to do in this city. Well 6 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: we know it's not working. Is a break and trust 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: between police and community, especially with new federal partners. 8 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: That is the Mayor of d C, Muriel Bowser, and 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people ran with those comments yesterday, Tony Katz, 10 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. I'll be 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: getting more into the DC crime conversation and where this 12 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: falls politically, with Bob Brooks of. 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Newsmax coming up in just a few minutes. 14 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: But the real question here is why is it that 15 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: the left cannot say that fighting crime is a good thing? 16 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: Why is it that they cannot bring themselves to do 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: this thing that is so rational. Trying to find an 18 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: answer for that has been very, very difficult. I have 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: to wonder whether Mayor Bowser is going to get vilified, 20 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: pilloried by her own party for saying this is good. 21 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: You remember, as we've discussed it here, and of course 22 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: other Some of my colleagues out there in radio worlds 23 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: have done the same, where the Left hasn't. It was 24 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: Muriel Bowser as mayor of d C who asked for 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: help from the Biden administration, but it did not come. 26 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: It did not come because if you gave the help, 27 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: you would have to admit that things weren't doing well. 28 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: And why would you admit that things aren't doing well? 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: Just let people suffer and tell other people that everything's fine. 30 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: Don't worry. 31 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: The useful idiots will buy into it, believe it, and 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: tell the story. We should never be dishonest with each 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: other about the things that we need. The base things 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: that we need safty insecurity and a willingness to at 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: least try to get there, and when something doesn't work, 36 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: the honesty and the respect enough for one another to say, 37 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: this isn't working, let's try something else. Because the best 38 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: idea is not necessarily your idea, it's the one that works. 39 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: Why can't we get the left to learn this? I 40 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: continue the conversation with Bob Brooks from Newsmax. Keep it here, guys, 41 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. So we 42 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: have now seen that a man who claims their woman 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: shoots up a church, kills two children in your seventeen children. 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: And we still have people saying allegedly, and then we 45 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: have people saying, let's not jump to concluellusions. But if 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: this was a conversation of a racial shooting, we know 47 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: what would happen. 48 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Now, this is a horrible thing to say. It's an 49 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: awful thing to. 50 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: Say because it's callous. The problem is we know it's true. 51 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: So we have to be the callous ones in order 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: to engage the honest conversation, the one that they refuse 53 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: to engage in. We must address these things as they are. 54 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats today, Good to be with you. 55 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: Bob Brooks joins me right now. He is the host 56 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: of American Agenda over there at Newsmax. Pennsylvania Guy, penn 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: State guy. They call him a Nitney lyon. Don't you 58 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: know worked his way up in local media, including a 59 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: series of years in Philadelphia. And if you can last 60 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, you can last anywhere. 61 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: I want to talk Minneapolis. 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: But first, you know you work out of the New 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: York offices there of Newsmax, and certainly you've been covering 64 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: the DC crime story. Trump engaging a level of takeover 65 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: that he is allowed to because of how DC is 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: created through this Act of Congress. And he's talking about 67 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: Chicago being next Kenny or Kenny not. 68 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: Federalize the National Guard. 69 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 4: There. 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: You are in New York. 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: You've seen the crime issues there. There are plenty of 72 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: New Yorkers who would love to see this happen. And 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: you have seen the political left from a very very 74 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: close distance, say we're opposed. 75 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: To being tough on crime, even though the mayor of d. 76 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: C, Muriel Bowser, is giving a presser yesterday saying these 77 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: things are working. I don't know if anything is shocking anymore. 78 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: But what is the recovery path as you see it 79 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: for the political left in coming out against being tough 80 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: on crime? 81 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 4: You know, Tony, it was great to be on. By 82 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: the way, it's great to be here with you. Love 83 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: the show. Love having me on my show as well. 84 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: You always bring it. I think that we've seen the left. 85 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 4: You're talking about how to Rectifie. I don't know if 86 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 4: they can because at this point it's been clear they 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: got clear messaging that. You know, whatever President Trump says, 88 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 4: he's going to do. They have to regit at all costs, 89 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 4: And on so many issues like being tough on crime, 90 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 4: whatever it may be, they have to do the opposite. 91 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 4: And so a lot of these issues are common sense, 92 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 4: being tough on crime. So what's the opposite of common sense. 93 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: It's insanity. So they find themselves digging themselves into bigger 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 4: and bigger holes, like you're seeing some of the stats 95 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 4: that come out of these cities, Tony, I'll use Chicago. 96 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 4: We've been talking about it non stuff. So President Trump 97 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: in order to get into there, he's going to have 98 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 4: to declare an emergency. And that's what their governor, Fritz 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 4: Kerr was saying. We don't have an emergency. Oh you don't. 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 4: I'll just use one staff. For instance, just this year 101 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: alone through almost to September at this point, over ten 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: thousand carjackings. Okay, this is the United States of America, 103 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: a first world country. We're supposed to have first world 104 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 4: decorum in a first world society. Ten thousand carjackings and 105 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 4: you need to tell me that that's acceptable. And then 106 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 4: they'll all make the argument, oh well, well, crime stats 107 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: are down. Crime stats are down down from what from 108 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: where you see where the soft on crime approaching God 109 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 4: and us. You see where the lack of prosecutions, on 110 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: the broken windows theories, quality of life crimes have got us. 111 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 4: So when they come out and resistance, Americans are like, 112 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: we've been waiting for somebody to do this, Democrat or Republicans. 113 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 4: I heard Jimmy r ask In, the congressman from Maryland 114 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 4: the other day say, oh, well, you know he's only 115 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 4: going after these cities because it's the opposition Democrat Party, 116 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 4: Democrat led city. I'll say this, I don't care what 117 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 4: city it is, Tony a Republican led Democrat lad wherever 118 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: there is crime, high crime, any crime. Really, if President 119 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: Trump's the only one that want willing to come in 120 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: and tackle this issue and be hard on it and 121 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: be tough on it and arrest people for all crimes, 122 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 4: I think both Americans are and I think that's why 123 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: a lot of people have their They have a hard 124 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 4: time wrapping their heads around what Democrats are saying and 125 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 4: doing it. And that's it does make any sense, and 126 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 4: that's it. I hope I worded that well, No. 127 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you. I don't think people disagree 128 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: with you. Bob talking to Bob Brooks of Newsmax. But 129 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 2: rather it is you know, I make this argument that Democrats, 130 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: and when we're talking about in a political sense, they're 131 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: not dumb. These people got elected. They're not dumb people. 132 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: We disagree with them about policy, and some of them 133 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: in terms of the trolling nature on social media, the 134 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: antipa folks, they are dangerous fools, but they're not dumb. 135 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: They must know that being the people against being tough 136 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: on crime, or being against even being anything on crime 137 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: is a losing position, but they have taken it. That 138 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: would mean that they simply can't bring themselves on any 139 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: level to say Trump did something acceptable here. 140 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: How do you go? How do they think they're. 141 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: Going to go about winning any election if they can't 142 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: even admit to the basics that fighting crime is good. 143 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: You know, I wanted this a lot myself, and I 144 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 4: think at least this is a conclusion I've come through, Tony. 145 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 4: It's they've gone so far left and you're seeing kind 146 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 4: of the end result where that they cannot believe that 147 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: other people think differently than they do, but they live 148 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: in their you know, coastal elitist societies. This woke the 149 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: leftist ideology and so that that's why I'm like, it's 150 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: always so hysterical. You ever know the reaction of President Trump, 151 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: it's always so hysterical that, oh he's a Nazi, Oh 152 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 4: he's a dictator, you know, he wants to create a 153 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 4: police state by getting tough on crime. It's because it's 154 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 4: just I always I like to make a graph of 155 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 4: people when I explain this. All right, you have a 156 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 4: straight line, and you have one end, the left end, 157 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: the right end, and the middle. You make a middle 158 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: point and the left and in the middle point in 159 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 4: the left end, they just go in a circle around. 160 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: It's like they almost get it, but they never can 161 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 4: because they just they they've never been to these parts 162 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 4: of the country. They've never been outside of their woke circles, 163 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 4: they never been off the elite of society, so that 164 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 4: they can't understand it. Yeah, you know, Americans, the majority 165 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 4: at this point, don't think that way, and they can't 166 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 4: grasp it, and they can't comprehend it. I don't think 167 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: they ever will. And you see where the party's gravitating 168 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 4: towards even more left instead of coming back towards the middle. 169 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 4: We got associates maybe very well, maybe the next mayor 170 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: of New York City, and that's where it's going. 171 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: Talking about zorroon mom Tani. I have often said one 172 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: of my lines, the leftist, the progressive hates you for 173 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: who you are and what you believe, but most importantly 174 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: they hate you for not thinking like they do, which 175 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: is exactly that's right what you were saying. But come 176 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: the other way with this, is there a moment where 177 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: President Trump can go too far with trying to engage 178 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: this law and order, he can try and take too 179 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: much power. 180 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: Can he go too far from Middle America? Go too 181 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: far from MAGA? 182 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: It's a good question, and I think some of the 183 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: people are wondering, well, what's going on with you know, 184 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 4: he mentioned a ten percent stake in Intel or some 185 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 4: kind of profit sharing with other companies. I got to 186 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: look into more more to that and how exactly that 187 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 4: would work. That's raise some eyebrows. That's raised some eyebrows 188 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: some Republicans and GP so some MAGA. I guess you 189 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 4: could call it politicians. I don't know. I just know 190 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: that pretty much everything he's done at this point, and 191 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 4: I always ask I have a couple of people within 192 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: my circle that I'll gage and I'll read. I'll be like, hey, 193 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 4: what are you feeling about this? Because I think they 194 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 4: already be true Middle American, hardworking people who want common sense, 195 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 4: common sense policy, you know, stopping wars, being tough on crime, 196 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: getting inflation down, getting the cost of living down, getting 197 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 4: woke out of our colleges, getting getting woke out of policy, 198 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 4: and dei out of every government branch. I don't know. 199 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: Up to this point, I don't know if he can. 200 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 4: I know a lot of what he does has a 201 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: lot of support, So at this point I think he's good. 202 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: I think he's approval rating within the Republican Party is 203 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 4: very high right now, and that that's the true test. 204 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, his approval is high. Republicans, I think are a 205 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: different beast. Talking to Bob Brooks of Newsmax, catch him 206 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: on American Agenda each and every Monday through Friday, and 207 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: I'll just for the sake of clarity, I'm someone who 208 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: opposes the Intel thing. 209 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: There's a whole conversation. 210 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 4: A lot of people do Tony, A lot of people do. 211 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 4: I get that. 212 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: It is Trump's a socialist, not a socialist, but he 213 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: is a populist and that's a whole different conversation. We'll 214 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: save that for another day. I want to bring you 215 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: over to Minneapolis. The murder of these two children, seventeen injured, 216 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: this man who claimed to be a woman, family that 217 00:11:55,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: bought into the mental illness, writing on magazines, rifle magazines, 218 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: kill a President Trump things about Jews and his manifesto 219 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: about the Zionists. I am a guy who waits, and yesterday, 220 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: as we were doing the show, I did wait to 221 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: make sure I had everything and made sure I had 222 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: everything confirmed confirmed before I started talking. 223 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in so much being first. I want 224 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: to make sure I'm right. 225 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: That's different than the other left leaning cable news outlets 226 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: who you're up against, who don't want to engage the 227 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: conversation that might be detrimental to their audience or narrative, 228 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: specifically to the idea that this mental illness and transgenderism 229 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: is starting to have a real trend. 230 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: In these violent acts. 231 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: And if you buy into mental illness, you're creating a problem. 232 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: They wanted to not only push against what happened, but then, 233 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: how dare you politicize this? But if it was somebody 234 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: white and somebody and a victim of somebody who was black, 235 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 2: or Asian or Hispanic. Then you could politicize it all 236 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: you want. You're covering this story yesterday as it's happening, 237 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: like like I was on on air. At what moment 238 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: did you feel comfortable with sharing the information that you 239 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: had and the level of sourcing that you had. 240 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 4: You know, I took each of us arrived at our 241 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 4: own point on air. You know, I have a co host. 242 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 4: Other anchors do things differently. You know, for me, I 243 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 4: think the American people are smart enough to come to 244 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 4: their own conclusions. So as we're going about this right 245 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: before the show, you know, I hopped on social media. 246 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 4: Here here's how it was for me. I typed in, 247 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: you know, Minneapolis shooter, and all this stuff about him 248 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 4: popped up. Okay, that it's Robin. He goes by Robin Westman. Well, 249 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 4: then you come to find out a couple of years 250 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 4: ago he's Robert. Changed his name from Robert to Robin. 251 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 4: Then you go online, look at some of the pictures. 252 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 4: The writing's on the wall here. And we couldn't go 253 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: on officially in that moment and say, hey, clearly this 254 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 4: is a trans person. But I just said, look, look 255 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 4: I'm gonna just lay off the fact, here he was Robert. 256 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 4: Now he's robbing. Take a look at his pictures online, 257 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: Take a look at the manifesto, the book he had 258 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 4: written out. They can look at the guns riding all 259 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 4: over it, you know, kill Jewish people, kill Trump, all 260 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: the crazy stuff. I just said, Look, clearly there's an 261 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 4: issue here. You can all make your own a judge, 262 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: your on acceptance chair. I laid it out for you. 263 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: It is what it is. That's what it is. And 264 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 4: they don't want to address it, Tony, because it goes 265 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: against the narrative that it's okay that as they like 266 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: to call it gender affirming, there a positive connotation. 267 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: But when you lay it out to rupt for a moment, Bob, 268 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: you do take the time. 269 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: To lay it out. 270 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: This is what we know, which we would argue is 271 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: our cry from competitor outlets that don't believe they should 272 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: lay it out at all. 273 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: Well, that's it, and they don't. They don't lay it 274 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: out at all. I laid it out to the point 275 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: to where it's obvious. Okay, but that's what is. This 276 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: is what it is. You know, it's you know, we 277 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: just haven't officially said it yet. Other they won't because 278 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 4: it goes against the narrative that Okay, you know what, 279 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: maybe this whole thing that we're doing with this is 280 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 4: wrong and it's not right, and it's got real issue here. 281 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: There's been many cases the one down in Tennessee. There's 282 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: almost a half dozen at this point, I could say, 283 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 4: just off the top of my head. But it goes 284 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: against their narratives, so they don't want to talk about it, 285 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 4: and that act is great disservice. So what we're going 286 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: to bury our heads in the stand when it comes 287 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: to this and act like there's nothing wrong, nothing going on. Well, 288 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 4: that's not right. Like you said, if it was the 289 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: other way around, if it was somebody else, somebody else's 290 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: different skin color, it'd be a lot different. 291 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: Talking to Bob Brooks of Newsmax, catch him every single 292 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: day on American Agenda. That is the show weekdays at 293 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: two pm Eastern. Yes, I know my show is still 294 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: going on, but you can watch Bob and Katrina. It's 295 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: totally fine by me. Before I let you go in 296 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: knowing this, in seeing this, you know you talk. I 297 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: I am not employed by Newsmax. I appear, but I'm 298 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: not employed by Newsmax. 299 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: Newsmak great job. I appreciate you. 300 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: Newsmax talks about its growth and how it's building and 301 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: what it's building, and certainly, uh, there's a a very 302 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: Trump friendly component. I sometimes find myself as a guy 303 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: on there's like, well I'm not so sure about this 304 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: thing or that thing, and I'm always welcome back. So 305 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: they allow for an open conversation. But that's the question. 306 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: It's about the open conversation. To what extent could you 307 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: tell us about how you how you as a host, 308 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: you and Katrina as co hosts, view the conversations you're 309 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: going to have and the idea of whether or not 310 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: it is about your trust in the audience to understand 311 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: what's happening versus other people not trusting their audience. 312 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: Is that what brings people to you? 313 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: How does how do you believe that the approach either 314 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: for newsmaxs from you personally has created a positive result. 315 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 4: I think of that kind of thing. Tell me the 316 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 4: trust that the audience is earned over time. And I 317 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 4: go back to Americans are smarter than in a lot 318 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 4: of the mainstream media give them credit for. And I'll 319 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 4: just psyche a twenty twenty four elections when it comes 320 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: to that, because if you look at the media coverage 321 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 4: for President Trump versus Tamala Hare. I think MRC Media 322 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 4: Research Center did some kind of study. It was high, 323 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 4: high ninety percent negative coverage to President Trump. So if 324 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 4: you were to go on that metric that it was 325 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 4: all negative coverage and people believed what mainstream media was 326 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 4: telling them, Tamala Harre should have won an absolute pulverizing landslide. 327 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: She did not. It actually went the complete opposite. So 328 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 4: if we're looking at the impact of the effect that 329 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: mainstream media, left wing media has on the American public, 330 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 4: I should honestly say it's almost irrelevant at this point, 331 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: can't you? Based on that theistic it's almost irrelevant because 332 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 4: if they were to listen to what they were told 333 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: before going to the loading booths back in twenty twenty four, 334 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 4: President Trump should have gotten no votes or next to none. 335 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 4: So it's totally skew. There is no trust. People are 336 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 4: looking for authenticity. I think they want to be entertained 337 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: a little bit. They want to last. You know, it's 338 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: not all doom and gloom, but they want people that 339 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 4: are authentic. Regular people get you have walked a little 340 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 4: bit in their shoes, you know, I'm from western Pennsylvania, 341 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 4: small little town. I've also been working in the country's 342 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 4: biggest city for the last you know, fourteen years, fifteen years, 343 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 4: and I've kind of seen both sides, and I get it. 344 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 4: I can get why people are so upset. I can 345 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: get why people who want to have a nice shape 346 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 4: community want that back and they don't want this wokesoft 347 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: on crime approach. And that's just one example. So I 348 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 4: think it's time. It's authenticity and it's just being honest, 349 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 4: not telling the audience what to think, but with them, hey, 350 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: this is what's going on. Okay, you make your own choice. 351 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 4: You're an adult, you pay taxes, you wake up, go 352 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: to work every day, you have a family, you're raising kids. 353 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 4: If we get that, I'm not going to belittle you. 354 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 4: But the elite to all or you know, kind of 355 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 4: running things an accessule within the mainstream news media, they 356 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: don't get it because they've never been there and they're 357 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 4: never going to get it. And that's the way it is. 358 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Bob Brooks is his name. 359 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: You can find him on Newsmax every single day there 360 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: from two to four pm. Bob Brooks underscore NmX for 361 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: Newsmax on the Twitter x Bob, I appreciate taking the 362 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: time to be with us. 363 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: More coming up on Tony Katz. 364 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: This is Tony Kats today. 365 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: All right, walk me through it as I walk myself 366 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: through it. 367 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Why in the world is Fox Sports. 368 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: Saying, wait, it's not Fox Sports. 369 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: It's Ohio State saying that Dave Portnoy can't be a 370 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: part of coverage on Fox Sports at Ohio State. Do 371 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: I have this right, Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, good 372 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: to be with you now, Ohio State. 373 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: That's the that's theologies, guys. I'm fine, I'm good. It's 374 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: just the voice. I apologize. Ohio States. They're denying it. 375 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: So Dave Portnoy is the guy who. 376 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: Owns Barstool Sports, and Dave Portnoy has done a very 377 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 2: good job of making himself the heel, making himself the 378 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: center of attention, making a tremendous amount of money in 379 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: the process selling barstool, buying it back for a dollar, 380 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: the whole thing, really really incredible stuff. Has he said 381 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: some things that I think are wrong? Absolutely nutty? 382 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: Has he done some things they are nutty and wrong? 383 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Is he the pariah that some people make them 384 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: out to be? I I guess it's that's a question 385 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: of personal opinion. 386 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: It is. 387 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: But if if my if if Dave Portnoy is per 388 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: sona Nograda, But somehow Mike Tyson is fine. 389 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson raped a woman and went to. 390 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: Jail for it, and they gave that guy cartoons, a 391 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 2: Broadway play, and put him in movies and they call 392 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: him the champ. So I'm not so sure what's going 393 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: on here. Maybe Portnoy is not the guy you look 394 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: to as. 395 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: A as a role model. I don't think he's the 396 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: end of civilization. And I would. 397 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: Argue because there was this very very low class columnist 398 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 2: here in my city by the name of Greg Doyle. 399 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: Greg Doyle is the guy who is famous for being 400 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 2: so creepy to Caitlin Clark from the Indiana Fever that 401 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 2: the local paper here, the Indie Star, banned him from 402 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: covering Indiana Fever games. He is their premier sports writer. 403 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: Like that's that's pretty bad. That's pretty bad, indeed. And 404 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: then he also, according to friends of mine who were 405 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: in the Sweet me for a concert where he happened 406 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: to be because we got free tickets, he threatened to 407 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 2: punch me in the face. 408 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: So that's there's there's that as well. 409 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 2: He pens this whole column about how IndyCar is going 410 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 2: to partner with Dave Portnoy and they're gonna have him 411 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 2: in the two seater and how despicable, and you want 412 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: to attract women and you're gonna bring in Dave Portnoy. 413 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: I would argue, Dave Portnite can bring in more women 414 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: than this writer. His name is Greg Doyle. Ever could right. 415 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: Not everybody is disgusted by Portnoy, and I can find 416 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: plenty of people that. 417 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: I find disgusting. 418 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 2: If you put Adam Schiff in the back of the 419 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: two seater, I'd be like, well, you're not getting any 420 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: ladies now, because he doesn't attract anything except sadness. That 421 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 2: was my line about Greg Doyle. I can apply that 422 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: easily to Adam Schiff. So there was this idea that 423 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: Portnoy is so hot, oh my gosh, he's so unacceptable 424 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: that that Ohio State isn't going to allow him to 425 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: be there. Well, Ohio State denies this. They say it's 426 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: not true. Dave Portannoy, according to Sports Illustrated, insists that 427 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: both he and Barstool Sports were banned from Ohio State. 428 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 2: Do I know it's true. I have absolutely no idea 429 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: which one is true. And Portanoy had the emergency press conference. 430 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: You know, he makes these videos and he goes back 431 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: doing it, and of course he makes a video while 432 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: he's wearing a University of Michigan hat. He does all 433 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 2: the things. That's that is it, that is that is 434 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 2: what he does. He does it very very very well. 435 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: Portanoy said, you banned me. 436 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: You're scared of Michigan And the only way you guys 437 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 2: are ever going to compete with us again is if 438 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: you can look yourself in the mirror and be honest 439 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: with yourselves. 440 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Not this, Oh we didn't do this, they're stealing signs, 441 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: et cetera. It's you, guys. 442 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: It's not the block m until you can look in 443 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 2: the mirror and be like, take account of bit for 444 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: your actions. Yeah, we banned him, just say it, Yeah, 445 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: we banned him. I don't know what took place here, 446 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: but very much this is a conversation of marketing. How 447 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 2: does one keep themselves in the press, How does one 448 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: keep their name up? How does one garner the attention 449 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: that allows them to then profit from it. 450 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: That's what we're looking at here, and that's the part 451 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: that's fascinating. I will tell you that I have always. 452 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: Been somebody who believes that my success comes from simply 453 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 2: doing it better. 454 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: Just be good at what you do and it will come. Now. 455 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 2: I have lived through enough cycles now where people have 456 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: gotten far bigger than me and have fallen far farther 457 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: than me. 458 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: Right? 459 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: Is my approach right or is my approach wrong? And 460 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: the answer is well, I don't know. 461 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. 462 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: Have I ever done anything? I was one speaking to 463 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: an executive at a cable news outlet, well Tony. If 464 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: you want to get seen, if you want to spend 465 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 2: more time doing this, if you want to get opportunities, 466 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: you got to do a crazy blank? Right, do cool blank? 467 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: Do crazy blank? I don't know what that is. I 468 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: don't know what that is is at all. Right, do 469 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: crazy blank? You know what the blank is? 470 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: Right? 471 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: Well, isn't that exactly how people do things on social media? 472 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: Hey? 473 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: Look how much skin I could show it. I'll call 474 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: myself an influencer. You're not an influencer. You're not an influencer. 475 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: You're a skank. Now that's women. And someone's gonna say 476 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 2: to me, how dare you say that about women? I 477 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 2: say it because I have eyes, and I'm using terminology, 478 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 2: not the terminology that I would really like to use, 479 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 2: but I'm on radio, respect my stations. 480 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: There are a tremendous amount of women who do that. 481 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 2: That's what they do. How how absolutely promiscuous sounding can 482 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: you dress and be in order to get some clicks? 483 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: Guys do different stuff. Some of them try down that 484 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 2: road or they act the fool. They're doing pranks and 485 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: other things and being outrageous. 486 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: And all this, and it garners an audience. Is that 487 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: what it takes? Is that what you mean? 488 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 4: Now? 489 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what Dave Portnoy is doing here. 490 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: I think he has just. 491 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: Built himself up into a place where he can just 492 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: continue to make himself the center of attention and make 493 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: the allegation. I'm sure there's some level of truth to 494 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: and I don't think he's lying about this. I think 495 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: he took whatever Ohio State said, is he's being banned, 496 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: or whatever Fox Sports said to him about Ohio State. 497 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 2: I think that's the way he took it, and he 498 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: has no reason to think about it otherwise. But how 499 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: far does one have to go? How outrageous does one 500 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: have to be? I mean, that's the question, how just 501 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: nutty over the edge? Because I'm not so sure I 502 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 2: can get away with it. 503 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure my brands. 504 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: Can get away with it. I don't know if it 505 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: would be authentic. I think the things that I say 506 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: are the things that I say. Maybe it's just being 507 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: better at pushing that out there, what it is that 508 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: you say. 509 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: But importantly has done a very very good job this. 510 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 2: And there are people who do a very good job 511 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: of this, of keeping themselves in the news and relevant. 512 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: And there you know who's done the best job of 513 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: this out of anybody in the history of mankind, well, 514 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 2: at least in the last twenty years. Chris Jenner, the 515 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: Jenner matriarch who had to deal with Bruce and whatever 516 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 2: was going on there from the Kim Gardashian ray je 517 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: A tape to he was so reinventing her own daughter Kylie. 518 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: Remember Kylie doesn't look like that. Kylie doesn't look like that. 519 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: Kylie looked like a normal girl. 520 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: And then I don't know how many plastic surgeries later, 521 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: here she is hanging with Timmy Thay Shalomey, the guiding 522 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: of this family to the billions. This might be the 523 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: great She might be the greatest manager of talent and 524 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: promoter of talent since Don King. 525 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's unbelievable. And you say to me, 526 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: but Tony, look at the cost Ooh yeah. 527 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: What's interesting is whether or not any of them think 528 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: it was a cost at all? Was the cost worth it? 529 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: As the expression would be, was the juice worth the squeeze? 530 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: Kylie Jenner is a completely different human being who now 531 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: sits on an empire of over a billion dollars. She 532 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 2: has a billion dollars her not Kendall the model, not 533 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: Kim and all her things, not Chloe who completely redid 534 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: her face, and not Courtney. By the way, how do 535 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: I know all this? Corney always seemed to be the 536 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: most normal. I don't watch the show. I just happen 537 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: to know the name Sue me because I think this 538 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: is an insane phenomenon. 539 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: It was one sex tape. 540 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: One billions and billions, and a brand that. 541 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: Still has staying power. 542 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: You know how hard that is? Do you know how 543 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: hard that is to still have staying power, to not 544 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: be the flash of the pan, to not experience that 545 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: drop off they're not welcoming people at a casino like 546 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 2: a former prize fighter, they're still commanding top tier. 547 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: What do you have to do and what are you 548 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: willing to do? 549 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: And if you're not willing to do it, do you 550 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: accept the fact that you'll never get there? 551 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: Feel the air quotes? And do you accept the fact 552 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: that if you do do it, you still might not 553 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: get there? Yeah, it's the idea of. 554 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: To do cool blank and do crazy blank. Well, I 555 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 2: don't know if in the end that gets you where 556 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: you want to be. What if it doesn't come naturally 557 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: to you, What if it doesn't roll trippingly off the tongue. 558 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: What if that's just not where you can bring yourself 559 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: or you know that it's not where you should bring yourself, right, 560 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: You got to know yourself and be like this, this 561 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: is not the thing that's going to work for me, 562 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: And certainly that could lead to opportunity, not getting opportunities, 563 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: getting opportunities, et cetera. So I look at this and 564 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: this whole Portnoy story, I was like this, this was 565 00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: interesting because this seems very much like a bunch have 566 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: manufactured hokum. 567 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: Did he get banned? 568 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: No? 569 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: But something got said, so you could take it that way. 570 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: So why not take it that way because it could 571 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: build you some opportunity, And then they're going to defend it, 572 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: and then people are gonna talk about it, and now 573 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: your name's being talked about again. Some people are really 574 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 2: good at taking advantage of the opportunities. 575 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: I think Portnoy is one of those people. 576 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: Does that mean he's perfect, God know, but if this 577 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: is the game in terms of fame, he's playing it 578 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 2: pretty well. I'm Tony Katz. Oh, by the way, I'm 579 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: not saying that the game is a good game, Don't 580 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: get me wrong. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. 581 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't know who Dimitri Dasclochis is except that he's 582 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: a doctor and he serves at the National Center for 583 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. 584 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: At least he did. 585 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: And now he has resigned, and it is in the 586 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: resignation then I share the story with you, Tony Katz, 587 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. Columbia University, 588 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: New York University, Harvard University. My gosh, this man must 589 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: be really, really smart. He resigned and put his pronouns 590 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: as he his him. Sometimes it doesn't matter how many 591 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: degrees a person has. It matters whether or not they're rational. 592 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 2: And if you are a doctor using pronouns, you're not rational. 593 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: I'm telling you that I am past the moment where 594 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: I meet a doctor. I'm like, Okay, they can take 595 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: care of me. They're a doctor. Nope, I'm checking social 596 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: media histories. I'm doing research that I would never have 597 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: fathomed doing. Not just if they're utilizing pronouns like he, his, him, 598 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 2: but the amount of doctors, the amount of people in 599 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: medicine on the side of hamas. You think I'm gonna 600 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: let them touch me, my wife, my kids. Not a chance, 601 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: Not a chance. No trust that they would be able 602 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: to take care of me, No trust that they wouldn't 603 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: try and hurt me. 604 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? 605 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: You take the side and doctors are doing this. I'm 606 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 2: not making this up. I'm not engaging in something that 607 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: isn't happening. Doctors all over the place are taking these 608 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 2: political opinions in support of AMAS, and they're getting hired 609 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: by hospital groups and other groups. 610 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: You think they should be allowed to care for patients, They. 611 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: Shouldn't be allowed out of their homes supporting a terrorist organization, 612 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: but you will think I'm gonna let them treat my family. 613 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: Stop it. I don't want this guy as part of 614 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 2: the CDC. He has decided to resign, and while I 615 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: hold him in disrespect for the institution of my colleagues, 616 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: I believe it is imperative to align my profess national 617 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: responsibilities to my system of ethics and my understanding of 618 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 2: the science of infectious disease immunology. And I promise to 619 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: serve the American people. I am unable to serve in 620 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: an environment that treats CDC as a tool to generate 621 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 2: policies and materials that do not reflect scientific reality and 622 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 2: are designed to hurt rather than to improve the public 623 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: s health. You mean, like how you treated us during 624 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 2: COVID and told us to be six feet away from 625 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 2: each other and told grandma she. 626 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: Can't be with her husband of sixty two years while 627 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: he dies. I'm sorry. Don't ask for my respect when 628 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: you didn't give it. 629 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: Don't tell me about how you're being burdened when you 630 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: burdened others, And then, most importantly, do not say to 631 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 2: me that Some examples include the announcements of the change 632 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: in COVID nineteen recommendations for children and pregnant people, the 633 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: firing of scientists from ACIP by ex post and an 634 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: op ed rather than direct communications with these valuable experts. 635 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did you just say pregnant people? 636 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 637 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're glad you're gone. 638 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: There is absolutely no place for you in medicine if 639 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: you don't say women. There are no pregnant people. Only 640 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: women get pregnant. You See, I didn't go to Columbia 641 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 2: or NYU or Harvard, and I don't have a medical degree, 642 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 2: but I know that. So what good are your degrees? 643 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 2: If you're saying pregnant people and utilizing pronouns none, You're 644 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: not a valuable doctor. You're not a valuable medical professional. 645 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 2: You're not somebody who should be seeing patients. And I 646 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: would never let you treat my children. So I'm glad 647 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: you're gone from the CDC because you're not good enough 648 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 2: for us, for Americans, for rational people who want real 649 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 2: healthcare and medical schools. We gotta be taking a hard 650 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 2: look at them immediately and what it is they're graduating. 651 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: Find everything at Tony kats dot com. 652 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: Tomorrow. Everyone take care