1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Why from dall Hertbland and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. So is there a peace deal between 3 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine? Well, maybe not yet, but maybe it's 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: in the offing. Is it a deal for Ukraine? And 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: is it the best deal for the United States? And 6 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: something happening with med school training. 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody knew about, but Senator Todd 8 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: Young is trying to bring it to everybody's attention. Tony Katz, 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. Senator Todd 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: Young joins me right now on the phone, Republican senator 11 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: from the state of Indiana. 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: I want to. 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: Get to this legislation that you're introducing about protecting medical 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: students and residents from being coerced into abortion training, how 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: that might conflict with their moral or religious beliefs. 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: But before we do that, these. 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: Reports of a possible peace deal with Russia and Ukraine, 18 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: which would involve obstensibly Ukraine giving up more land than 19 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: Russia's already taken. It doesn't make NATO a it doesn't 20 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: make Ukraine a NATO nation, but it would make it 21 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: kind of, I don't know, NATO adjacent if you will 22 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: from what you know, What can you tell us if 23 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: you know anything more? 24 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: And what do you think of the possibility of a 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: deal here? 26 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 4: Well, thanks for having me on, Tony. You know, we're 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 4: all watching this situation in Ukraine and throughout Europe as 28 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 4: they hold negotiations about the future of Ukraine and the 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 4: Russia Ukraine War, watching it pretty intently. I've got to say, 30 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: you know, Marco Rubio, UH Secretary Driscoll who is our 31 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: army secretary, and the President himself, they're working very hard 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: to make sure we get adjust in peaceful resolution to 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 4: this war. Uh. It's it's it's horrible. It's been an 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: absolute blood letting and and it's and it's just obviously 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: not good for anyone. So I have been vocal, you know, 36 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: through social media and interviews and all the rest, that 37 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: any peace deal has to be a good piece deal 38 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 4: otherwise that you know, it's a surrender. And what does 39 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: a good piece deal look like. Well, it should not 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: limit the size of Ukraine's armed forces, because we want 41 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: Ukraine to deter any further aggression, and it should not 42 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: deter Ukraine from being a viable independent nation in the future, 43 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: controlling its own future. So that should reserve to the 44 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 4: Ukrainian people, through their government, the ability to dictate what 45 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 4: their future relationship to other European neighbors looks like. That 46 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: should not be something that Vladimir Putin gets to dictate 47 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: in the terms of an agreement. So I hope that 48 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: we can, you know, at this point in the conflict, 49 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 4: which has turned into really a stalemate now for a 50 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 4: number of years, I hope we can get some sort 51 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: of agreement that it will not include the provisions I've had, 52 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: but will bring this horrible fighting to a close so 53 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 4: that the Ukrainian people can resume, you know, economic growth 54 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: and prosperity and peace, and and Vladimir Putin will go 55 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: back to uh, you know, being the leader of his 56 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: country and not mettling in his what he likes to 57 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 4: call nearor abroad, the countries of Europe, just outside of 58 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: his borders. 59 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: Is this a deal that is pro America? Is this 60 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: a deal that is dear Lord? The best we can 61 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: do is just stop the killing, because we don't have 62 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: the resolve, the dollars or the hardware to push of 63 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin all the way back. Is there anything that's 64 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: going to be seen in this from your colleagues as 65 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: we're wimping out here, we're not doing enough, we're not 66 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: pushing hard enough to stop Vladimir Putin and not reward 67 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: this kind of naked aggression. 68 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 4: Well, the original terms of the twenty eight points of 69 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: this agreement were, you know, they began the conversation and 70 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 4: I think the Ukrainian government Zelensky appropriately said that there 71 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 4: are some points here that would undermine our sovereignty, our security, 72 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 4: our future prosperity, and he couldn't live with them. Now 73 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: we're down to I think the number is nineteen points 74 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: that are more acceptable, and it's in the balls in 75 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: the court of Vladimir Putin to see whether or not 76 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 4: he can accommodate himself make some moves in terms of 77 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: the negotiation to bring this horrible war which he started, 78 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: to an end, and he hasn't done so. In fact, 79 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 4: he's doubling down on his position and being stubborn. So 80 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 4: what's in it for the American people? Well, the American 81 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: people need to understand that since this war began, there's 82 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: been a real blood letting, not just on both sides, 83 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 4: but especially with respect to our adversary of Russia. In fact, 84 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 4: Russia's casualties in this war have exceeded America's deaths in 85 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 4: World War Two. So there are a lot of Russians 86 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 4: dying in this war. And because Russia is our adversary, 87 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: that would, though kind of horrible to talk in these terms, 88 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: that is geopolitically, to the advantage of the United States. 89 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 4: Russia has also not been advancing a perception that's been 90 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: created by some I think in the media, not you, 91 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 4: of course, that the Russians are on the march, since really, 92 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: you know, for the last couple of years, the Russian 93 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 4: forces have seized just over one percent of additional Ukrainian territory. 94 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 4: That's not obviously a lot, it's basically a standstill now. 95 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: All the while, one of our primary adversaries against Russia, 96 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 4: which is in a lot clients with China. Their economy 97 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 4: is precarious. They're basically bootstrapping their entire economy and oil 98 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 4: sales to the Chinese and Indians and some to the Europeans, 99 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 4: and so there's real pressure. I think that we have 100 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 4: the ability to apply a lot more pressure on Russia 101 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: to offer concessions at the negotiating table if they don't 102 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 4: do so. Now, and I know Secretary of Rubio understands 103 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 4: that we can sanction not just Russia itself, but any 104 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 4: country that will trade oil with Russia if they don't 105 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: agree to give the Ukrainians peace and to respect their sovereignty. 106 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 4: So that's where we are. That's frankly, what a good 107 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: outcome looks like is to see Guten start to move 108 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 4: towards the American position that we are now representing the 109 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 4: nineteen points. And it's unclear if he will. It's unclear 110 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 4: if Vladimir Putin can bring himself to create an environment 111 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 4: of peace. And I will say that the president has done. 112 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: He's very good at you leverage he has in negotiations. 113 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: He's trying to get the Europeans to step up support 114 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 4: more of the resourcing given to the Ukrainian freedom fighters, 115 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 4: and he's having some success there. So the Europeans are 116 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 4: also involved in this chess game. And I know the 117 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 4: President wants peace. I want peace, but it has to 118 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: be a very good negotiation so that it's a peace 119 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: worthy of its name. 120 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: Talking to Senator Todd Young, Republican senator from Indiana, Yet 121 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: Russia continues to be obstinate, and Russia certainly did not 122 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: bring itself to the tables, continue to act with impunity. 123 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: There's always the concern that Russia doesn't care because eventually 124 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: it's going to be the vassal state of China anyway, 125 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 2: where that's where it's money comes from, and therefore that's 126 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: who it does the bidding of. 127 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: But we put that to the side just for a moment. 128 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: This legislation that you have sponsored with Senator James Langford, 129 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: I said Mark Langford earlier. I apologize Senator James Langford 130 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: of Oklahoma about protecting medical students. I did not know 131 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: that all medical students have to go through some level 132 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: of abortion training. What is there are abilities already to 133 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: opt out? So you call this the Conscious Protections for 134 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: Medical Residents Act. 135 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: How did this come to your desk? And what is 136 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: the hope here? 137 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? So James Langford, my colleague from Oklahoma, and I 138 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 4: are both members of pro life Caucus within the US Senate. 139 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 4: We work with stake holders who bring us changes in 140 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 4: the law they would like to see in order to 141 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 4: advance the pro life cause. So that's how this came 142 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 4: to our attention. And James is shown by the way 143 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 4: great great leadership on this and it's great to work 144 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: with them. I don't think most Americans understand that if 145 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 4: you have a moral not just reservation, but an outright 146 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 4: objection to abortion, you are still required in order to 147 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: be accredited as a doctor, as an obg y N, 148 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 4: you're required to receive abortion training. You can opt out, 149 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: but then there's pressure on the student. You know, they're 150 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 4: wondering whether it's going to adversely impact their evaluations, their recommendations, 151 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: their future career opportunities, and so that sort of pressure 152 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: should not exist and perhaps persuade some people to contradict 153 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 4: their values in order to be a medical doctor. So 154 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: we want to change. We want to flip the script 155 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 4: as it were, and make sure that the default position 156 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: is no one who does this has to you know, 157 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: who pursues a doctor's certificate and wants to be a 158 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: credit has to do abortion training. You can opt in, 159 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 4: but you're not required to opt out. The assumption should 160 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 4: not be that everyone wants to learn how to do abortions. 161 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 4: That should not be something that they have to undergo. 162 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 4: So that's all we do is we change the default 163 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 4: setting on abortion training in the United States of America. 164 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 4: We know affecting life, not taking it. 165 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: We know how Democrats feel about abortion and how they 166 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: believe it moves voters. What is the you know, you 167 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: don't bring legs unless you feel that there's real opportunity 168 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: for it to pass. What is the feeling you're feeling 169 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: in the Senate of if this will pass? 170 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: And if so when. 171 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 4: You know it's interesting? I think this's got a fighting chance. 172 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 4: Er as you indicate, we wouldn't, we wouldn't bring it 173 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: to the four We've gotten an amazing amount of feedback, 174 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: positive feedback from constituents and really from people around the 175 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: country encouraging this legislation to be brought through the committee 176 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 4: and in past. I imagine my Democrat colleagues are hearing 177 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: from these constituents as well, and I think there's an opportunity. Listen, 178 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 4: Democrats just lost the last election very badly, and the 179 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 4: American people were tired of their positions, particularly on social issues. 180 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: They've just gone way outside of the mainstream. Whatever one's 181 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 4: views are on abortion, I think in this case, the 182 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: vast majority of Americans will agree that a doctor who 183 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: has moral to abortion shouldn't be trained in abortion. That 184 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 4: shouldn't be the default position. So I think on account 185 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 4: of the common sensical nature of this and the feedback 186 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 4: I've received so far, I think there's a good shot 187 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 4: at this getting done. But we need to hear from 188 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: our constituents. We need them to register their views to 189 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: other members of Congress who haven't yet co sponsored this legislation. 190 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 4: My colleague Jim Banks has signed on. I want to 191 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: thank him publicly for that, and just encourage Hoosiers who 192 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 4: regard themselves as pro life or even not pro choice, 193 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 4: but they don't think pro life doctors should have to 194 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: train an abortion the register that view with their own 195 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 4: Members of Congress. 196 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: Senator Todd Young of Indiana, I appreciate you taking the 197 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: time to be with us and to be here. 198 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: Appreciate that. Go have a good Thanksgiving. More coming up. 199 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. 200 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 5: In regard to air travel, this is going to be 201 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 5: the busiest Thanksgiving that we have on record, and I 202 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 5: think you all might note that it seems like every Thanksgiving, 203 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 5: every Christmas, every fourth of July seems to be an 204 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: announcement of record travel. I'm gonna come to that in 205 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 5: a second, but this week there'll be thirty one million 206 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 5: passengers flying by air. As we look to the week 207 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 5: that's per the airline industry, Tomorrow will be the busiest day. 208 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 5: There'll be fifty two thousand flights tomorrow as Americans board aircraft. 209 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: Fly across the country. 210 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: Maybe they're gonna go to sporting events, they're going on vacation, 211 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 5: or hopefully they're going to spend time with their families. 212 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 5: Now we anticipate there's going to be solid staffing in 213 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 5: our towers and traycons and centers throughout the airspace, and 214 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 5: that's different than what we had over the shutdown. 215 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 3: But we do have some weather in the forecast. 216 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: I'm not a weather man, but if you look out 217 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 5: to the Seattle area in the Midwest, the Great Lakes, 218 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 5: we're all going to have some weather. 219 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: And so if you are try air, I would just ask. 220 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 5: That you stay in touch with your airline or update 221 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 5: your appsun as you know if your flight has been 222 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 5: delayed or moved at all, as you're planning to come 223 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 5: to the airport. 224 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: That's the Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. Yes, travel is going 225 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: to be rough over Thanksgiving. Certainly people heading home, it's 226 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: going to be rough. And as a guy who lives 227 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: in the Midwest. Allow me to explain to you that 228 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving weather is sizzling hot garbage. It's on a 229 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: scale of one, on a scale of one to Nancy Pelosi. 230 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: Honestly, I could have picked anybody for the scale. 231 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: I picked Nancy Pelosi on a scale of one to 232 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: Jasmine Crocket. On a scale of one to Jasmine Crocket, 233 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: this is two fake eyelashes? 234 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: Is that too? 235 00:15:59,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: Is that? 236 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 5: No? Oh? 237 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: Really, I can't say so. Is it racist or as 238 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: it's sexist? Can I get a ruling on that? Could 239 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: someone get back to me. Okay, all I know is 240 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: my mother flew in yesterday. My mother is here. My 241 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: mother is just footsteps away. She's not in the in 242 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: the studio. My mother's footsteps away. 243 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: My mother. 244 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: My mother has been sick and it's been it's been 245 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: a rough few years and she had not feeling. She's 246 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: actually in the hospital for a few days and then 247 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 2: she needs to get some strength. 248 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: Actress. 249 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: She was in rehab for a few days, not that 250 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: kind of rehab, rehab for a few days, and she 251 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: she yesterday she checked herself out and she's like, I'm 252 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: going I'm going to see my son and my grandkids by, 253 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: and they're like, well, really, what she's like? 254 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: Did I say I'm leaving and this woman. 255 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: Arrange the ride, grab some stuff, got on a plane 256 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: seventy eight. Now you know that there are some seventy 257 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: eight year olds in absolutely perfect health. 258 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: My mother is not that woman. But I am. I 259 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: can't believe. I could not believe it, but for her, 260 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 3: because you know, she's supposed to go back over the weekend. 261 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: I'm looking at the weather and there might be some 262 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: real snow, it might be possibilities, snow, things might get delayed. 263 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, she might be here a couple 264 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: more days. 265 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 3: That's very possible. 266 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 2: Anybody who's looking to the Midwest of flying out the 267 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: weekend after that's good. 268 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: That could get difficult. 269 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: And the only thing I'm going to suggest is don't 270 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 2: get worked up, don't get angry. 271 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: You know it now, It's not. 272 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: Like you got to the airport, you got to the 273 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: gate and they said, hey, we decided to cancel the 274 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: flight because we hate you. That's not going on. It 275 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: could be, but it's not happening. So have a plan, right, 276 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: have have a have a kind of relaxed attitude about 277 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: it all because people they you know, I love this, 278 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: this move on flying hey, stop wearing pajamas, which I 279 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: take complete and full credit for. I take total credit 280 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: for this move of of the uh of the trap 281 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: secretary secretary to say, stop wearing pajamas. Dress properly, properly 282 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: on a plane. I've been saying it for years. I 283 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: wear a suit on a plane. I do it all 284 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: the time. People laugh at me. 285 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 4: I was right. 286 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: You gotta have some respect for yourself and respect for others. 287 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: That's the way it works. You wear a suit on 288 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: a plane. Oh but I like to be comfortable. Then 289 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: stay at home. Nobody wants to see your gnarly feet anyway. 290 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: And you know those yoga pants you wear. Hate to 291 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: break it to. 292 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: You, you weren't built for yoga pants. 293 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: Go to the airport being calm, cool and collected. Understand 294 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: the things may not go great. Understand there could be delays. 295 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: Think about it now, don't get nutty. Meanwhile, X has 296 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: changed some rules, and now we see who the fraudsters are. 297 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 3: And oh there are many fraudsters. 298 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today. I 299 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: do believe we're not giving enough credit to Elon Musk 300 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: and I think the people who wanted to push him 301 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: to the side when he had his little row with 302 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: President Trump. 303 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: We're making a huge, huge mistake, because every day. 304 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: It seems we get a little closer to realizing how 305 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: much garbage is in our social media feeds and who 306 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: is selling us the garbage. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, 307 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: good to be with you. William Jacobson joins me right now, 308 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: Cornell Law professor, the mind behind legal insurrection dot com. 309 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: I want to get to the story about this new 310 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: tool on X the fake accounts, really how it has 311 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: affected this war regarding Hamas and Israel, and how it 312 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: lied to millions and millions of people around the globe. 313 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: But before I do, we saw the cases against James 314 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: Comy and le Teacher James kicked out by a judge, 315 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: the argument being that, especially in the James Comy case, 316 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 2: that the prosecutors put in place was not properly put 317 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: in place. This Lindsay Halligan, there's been a lot of 318 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: issues about this, and therefore if there's no real prosecutor, 319 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: there's no real person in place, there's no. 320 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: Real case to be brought here. 321 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: I don't want to get into the case, the details 322 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 2: of the comy case, but rather get into the details 323 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 2: or the thoughts about the. 324 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 3: Pam Bondi Justice Department. 325 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 2: I had high hopes for I don't think she's living 326 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: up to the high hopes. Is this more ag and 327 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 2: competence as you see it? 328 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I wouldn't sweep her away completely. But this 329 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 6: is an example of a judge finding that the federal 330 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 6: government improperly exercised their right to have an interim appointment. 331 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 6: So basically the gist of the decision, without getting into 332 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 6: the specific wording, is that the statute that authorizes the 333 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 6: appointment of interim United States attorneys only allows you to 334 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 6: do that once. 335 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 3: It does not. 336 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 6: Allow success successive interim appointments. That after you've done it 337 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 6: once in one hundred and twenty days has passed, then 338 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 6: you have the decision to be made by the district 339 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 6: court the judges, and so here the judges asserting they 340 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 6: messed up that procedure. I don't know if they did 341 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 6: or they didn't. It has to do with statutory reading 342 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 6: and things like that. But the issue is if there 343 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 6: had not if there had been multiple prosecutors, for example, 344 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 6: participating in the presentation of the indictment, this would be 345 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 6: a non issue. But because the government chose to only 346 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 6: use one prosecutor before the grand jury and one prosecutor 347 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 6: to certify the indictment, and that prosecutor is the one 348 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 6: in question, they're saying was unlawfully appointed, that's where we are. 349 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 6: But if they had multiple prosecutors participating, this wouldn't even 350 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 6: be an issue. So I think you can say this 351 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 6: is another example of arguably the Trump administration perhaps not 352 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 6: dotting the eyes and crossing the t's, perhaps not backstopping 353 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 6: them with alternatives. This was an entirely predictable problem. So 354 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 6: I think this really calls into question. You know, how 355 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 6: much attention to detail are they spending. 356 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 3: I mean, that is just it. 357 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: You know, is the attorney General of Pam BONDI doing 358 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: your job? You said, you know, don't sweep our away altogether. 359 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: I feel often that I'm not seeing results, and what 360 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm seeing is just not a really clean, professional message 361 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: and professional placement of the work. 362 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 3: I think that's the way I'm doing it. 363 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 6: I think a lot of others, Yeah, well, you know, 364 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 6: results sometimes take time. So I'm less critical of horror, 365 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 6: I'm less critical of the FBI. Everybody's complaining about Cash 366 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 6: Fittel and Dan Vongino, who I like a lot. You know, 367 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 6: I'm not as worried. Things take time, particularly since we 368 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 6: have met a really unprecedented level of obstruction by the 369 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 6: Democrats and by the district courts. Now I'm not saying 370 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 6: this decision was improper by the district court judge. I 371 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 6: did read the decision and the judge went through the 372 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 6: statute statutory interpretation. But we have had many decisions from 373 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 6: district court judges around the country which read like political manifestos, 374 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 6: which read like a campaign speech, and so it's been 375 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 6: a problem. Also, there's been a problem getting US attorneys 376 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 6: confirmed by the Senate, and that Why has the Trump 377 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 6: administration not forced that through? Why haven't Republicans in the Congress, 378 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 6: in the Senate forced that through. We're in this predicament 379 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 6: because the Democrats have been successful in obstructing Trump's ability 380 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 6: to get his people into place, which is the only 381 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 6: reason you needed successive interim appointments, which created this whole problem. So, 382 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 6: you know, I don't blame Pambondi for this problem. I 383 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 6: frankly blame the administration and the Senate Republicans for not 384 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 6: getting Trump's people appointed. What is the problem here, and 385 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 6: that's really what caused all this Democrat obstruction has been 386 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 6: pretty successful. 387 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: Talking to William Jacobs and Cornell Law professor legal insurrection 388 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: dot com, let me bring. 389 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 3: You to this. 390 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 2: You've got the story there at legal insurrection dot com. 391 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: Barnfake Maga, anti Israel accounts exposed in X location disclosure. 392 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: Take the time walk me through it. 393 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: What is it that Elon Musk and X have now 394 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 2: allowed to take place? 395 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 3: What can you see and what in. 396 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: Your view and as you're writing about it, what does 397 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: it expose that people who are utilizing social media as 398 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: a way of getting news needs to know. 399 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 6: Well, for a long time, many of us, including me, 400 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 6: have been complaining that what's happening on X is obviously 401 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 6: a foreign information operation. It's obvious interference, it's obvious bought activity. 402 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 6: None of this is new. And what has happened is 403 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 6: that X bases its algorithms and other things on engagement, 404 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 6: and the more you get engaged, the more they boost you. 405 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 6: And so what you have is you have foreign operations 406 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 6: getting their people boosted on X to create a false narrative, 407 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 6: and unfortunately, it's been particular with regard to Israel, but 408 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 6: it's also negative towards Trump. And so what you finally 409 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 6: had happened. Finally, after years of this, you have x 410 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 6: turning live a feature where you can see where the 411 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 6: account is posting from or if they're trying to hide 412 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 6: that through a VPN, then you it will show you 413 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 6: that they're using a VPN, which is a signal they're 414 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 6: trying to hide or could be a signal. And what 415 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 6: we found was that there's an entire industry out there 416 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 6: of and I'll break it down into multiple tiers. First 417 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 6: of all, fake Gaza war accounts, people supposedly posting from 418 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 6: Gaza about atrocities that of course never happened, and in 419 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 6: fact now know that they're not in Gaza, they're not 420 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 6: in the Middle East. A lot of them are nowhere 421 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 6: near where you're staying a dash. You know, these are 422 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 6: operations of you know, people posting you know, I'm sitting 423 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 6: in attent in Gaza and eight children just got killed 424 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 6: by Israel. Well that person's posting from Bangladesh and in 425 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 6: one case from Poland. So these are complete fakery that 426 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 6: has created a narrative of genocide and other things in 427 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 6: the Israel gods of war which are simply not true, 428 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 6: and that has penetrated, that has changed the public consciousness. 429 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 6: So those are the fake accounts posting fake information. And 430 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 6: then you have the fake MAGA accounts which are very 431 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 6: viciously going after Israel America First America only you know, 432 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 6: I can't afford a house because we give three billion 433 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 6: dollars a year to Israel. All those sort of narratives 434 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 6: which have also penetrated, but it turns out that they're 435 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 6: not by real America First accounts. A lot of them 436 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 6: are not by people even in the United States. Again 437 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 6: the usual suspects in Nigeria, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, elsewhere in 438 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 6: the least. So what you have is you have stoking 439 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 6: of hatred towards Israel by supposedly America First accounts accounts 440 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 6: which often say I'm from Texas and I'm not going 441 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 6: to stay and i don't like the Israel occupation of 442 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 6: our government and I'm in Texas and the person's actually 443 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 6: in Bangladesh, and it's just complete fakery. So you have 444 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 6: a real narrative, and I think damage has been done. 445 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: Talking to William Jacobs and Cornell Law professor legal insurrection 446 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: dot com. 447 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: I agree with you that the damage has been done. 448 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 3: Elon's doing this was this. I've heard some people say, Hey, 449 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: it was this person's idea or somebody spoke to them 450 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: about this. 451 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: This is really a lifting of the veil and more 452 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: transparency that we've seen from certainly any other social media platform. 453 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: Before we get just a little bit deeper. 454 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: Is there a belief that this will change how people 455 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: see or engage with the content that's now out there. 456 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 6: I hope so, you know, I really do hope so. 457 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 6: And there's also a third tier of this manipulation which 458 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 6: really has not been exposed by this location data, which 459 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 6: is the promotion of certain accounts. So not only do 460 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 6: you have fake accounts posting fake news about what's happening 461 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 6: in Gaza, what's supposedly the feelings of America first people 462 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 6: towards Israel stoking that, you also have bought accounts that 463 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 6: are promoting legitimate American accounts. So we should not be deceived. 464 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 6: This is not all foreigners. There are Americans doing this 465 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 6: stuff too, and they are getting boosted and that's not 466 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 6: been exposed. What I'd love to see is transparency as 467 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 6: to where the people retweeting, reposting, sharing, liking posts are, 468 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 6: so in addition to saying where is the person posting from, 469 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 6: I think it would be great to have a country 470 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 6: by country breakdown of who's sharing their content, because I 471 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 6: think what you're going to find is a lot of 472 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 6: legitimately American accounts who are nasty people are getting promoted 473 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 6: just in the way that these fake accounts promoted themselves. 474 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 6: And I think that's really got to be the next thing, 475 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 6: because this is a massive disinformation operation, This is a 476 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 6: massive manipulation of our country. 477 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: Not at all you and I are on the same 478 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: page on this. Is there a legal remedy or is 479 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: there an legal obligation that Elon. 480 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 3: Musk has and X has to not allowing not to 481 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 3: take place? I mean, can you regulate who retweets whome? 482 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 6: Well, you know, criticizing it and exposing it and providing 483 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 6: transparency is not the same as preventing it. And so 484 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 6: that's a whole different argument. And one of the reasons 485 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 6: the rules were relaxed so much is that we saw 486 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 6: under the Biden administration, pressure on Facebook, pressure on other 487 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 6: social media operations to censor content. I mean, I remember, 488 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 6: in our own account at Legal Insurrection on Facebook, we 489 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 6: just avoided posting anything about climate change or COVID or 490 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 6: whatever because they so heavily censored it. We'd get you 491 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 6: tagged on it by Facebook, and you get three or 492 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 6: four tags, and all of a sudden, they kick you 493 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 6: off the platform. So we just avoided it completely because 494 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 6: we didn't agree with the popular narrative. And so that's 495 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 6: the extreme that people reacted to and said we should 496 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 6: have absolutely no limitations on Twitter and social media. And 497 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 6: now we're seeing the byproduct of that is that foreigners 498 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 6: have jumped into the void to manipulate systems that have 499 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 6: no control mechanism in them. What is the right answer. 500 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 6: I think we're heading towards the right answer, and it's transparency. 501 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 6: It's don't allow these foreigners to pretend, you know, I'm 502 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 6: a redneck from Texas and I don't want my money 503 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 6: going to Israel or I'm not going to die for Israel. Meanwhile, 504 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 6: you're sitting in Bangladesh, you know that sort of stuff. 505 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 6: I think transparency is probably the best answer rather than censorship. Now, 506 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 6: I do believe that it would be consistent with free 507 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 6: speech and free you know, exchange of ideas for Twitter 508 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 6: to say, if you are going to lie about where 509 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 6: you are, then maybe that's a violation of our terms. Okay, 510 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 6: we're not going to sensor you for your opinion, but 511 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 6: if you're going to conduct fraud on our platform and 512 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 6: you're going to misrepresent yourself as being you know, a 513 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 6: farmer in you know, Missouri, but you're actually just a 514 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 6: bot farm in India, you know, that's a misrepresentation. That's 515 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 6: a fraud on the platform. And I would like to 516 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 6: see that sort of outright fraud and misrepresentation addressed by 517 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 6: X because it's already in their terms of service, they're 518 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 6: just enforcing it. I don't think we need opinions censored, 519 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 6: but fraud should absolutely be regulated, and it would I 520 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 6: don't know if it's a legal obligation, but it certainly 521 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 6: would be an ex's interest because up until recently and 522 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 6: certainly with this exposure, you know, it has now the 523 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 6: reputation of being a you know, a manipulation device, and 524 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 6: I don't think that's what Elon Musk wanted it to be. 525 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 6: He wanted to be a place where people could freely 526 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 6: exchange their ideas. Instead, it's a site for rampant freud. 527 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: William Jacobson, Cornell Law professor, Legal insurrection dot com. I 528 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 2: appreciate you taking time to be with us more to 529 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: get to I'm Tony Katz. 530 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz today. So is the president losing Republicans? 531 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: No? 532 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: Look, fifth is phil Donald Trump's Republican party, and we 533 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: can see it here. They it's like a rock. 534 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: To quote Bob Figure, I mean, take a look here 535 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 2: Republicans who approve of Trump. 536 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 3: Six months ago, it was eighty seven percent. Now, WELLO, 537 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 3: it's the same number. It's eighty seven percent. 538 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 6: He has not lost any support among Republicans can compaired 539 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 6: to six months ago. 540 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: As I said at the beginning, he's like a rock. 541 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: He's like a rock. 542 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 6: The Republican base is sticking by Donald Trump at this. 543 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: Point in te Really. 544 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 2: Now, the question before us is if this is the case, 545 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 2: what is this idea that things are There's bad morale 546 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: in the house. Republicans are unhappy and some of them 547 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: were going to say, you know what, it's not worth 548 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 2: being here anymore, and they're going to go if the 549 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 2: voter is still with them, because they're still with Trump, 550 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 2: what's the or are we saying As we have stated 551 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: here more than once, there's a very large scale difference 552 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 2: between the Trump brand and the Republican brand, and that 553 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: the support for Trump amongst Republicans is not indicative of 554 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: support overall. That they won't support their member of Congress 555 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 2: if there's it's some level of disagreement. That is one 556 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: of the things they will have to work out. One 557 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 2: of the things I'll be discussing. January twenty fourth, twenty 558 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 2: twenty six, Trump one year later, a red tie gala. 559 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: You can get your tickets at WIBC dot com. 560 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: Oh, it's gonna be an incredible event right here in 561 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: Indianapolis coming out for it. 562 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 3: You're gonna have a great time. 563 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 2: You're gonna meet good people, great bourbon, great food. I 564 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: promise a good time. 565 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 3: You go to WIBC dot com and get your tickets. 566 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 3: I'm tounning bats