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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, thanks for making us part of

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Speaker 1: your morning richeal this Thursday morning. Later, clinical psychologist doctor

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Speaker 1: jerome E. Fox will take over our classroom now. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Fox is the author of the best selling work book

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Speaker 1: You've heard it before, Addicted to White the Oppressed in

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Speaker 1: League with the Oppressor, a shame based alliance. But before

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Speaker 1: doctor Fox, writer Simeon Booker Muhammad will provide us with

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Speaker 1: a UFO update and also discuss why Barack Obama backtrack

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Speaker 1: from his earlier claim and have seen her the UFO. But

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Speaker 1: to get us started momentarily, and he speaks with a

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Speaker 1: hood doctor, doctor Kakaya Patterson. But first let's get Kevin

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Speaker 1: to reopen these classroom doors. Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, my man, man man, And what.

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Speaker 3: Do you mean the hood doctor.

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Speaker 1: We'll ask him when we speak to him.

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, will he sound pretty nice when I was

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Speaker 3: dug to them?

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Speaker 2: Hey, look, but it is a wonderful Thursday, the nineteenth

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Speaker 2: of February.

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Speaker 3: How you feeling, Karl Nelson?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, man. It's an ongoing process here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's great. Like you said, it's your legacy

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Speaker 2: to making that ongoing. What is it self improvement? Personal development?

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Speaker 2: How do you see that as after you say it

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Speaker 2: and it has now become synonymous with who you are?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's synonymous with Neelie Fuller. Really a tap, a

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Speaker 1: tip of the hat to Neely his brother, Neeli Fuller Man.

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Speaker 1: He just nailed it, between doctor Fuller and doctor Francis

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Speaker 1: Crest Welson. What our main problem is the system, the

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Speaker 1: system of racism, white supremacy, and the code that we

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Speaker 1: have to have a code that the other folks is.

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Speaker 1: We don't know it. We wonder why they dislike us

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Speaker 1: so much. It's in the eight in them to stick together.

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Speaker 1: For us, it's it's it's we've been programmed to hate

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Speaker 1: it's doctor Fox talks about that. So when when you

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Speaker 1: think about Neelie full and doctor Wilson, you try your

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Speaker 1: best to stay on the code. For for us, it's

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Speaker 1: it's trying because you know, some of our folks really

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Speaker 1: hard to love and like, you know, so like needfully. Yeah, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: you heard his famous Rushman the guy try to talk

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Speaker 1: about shopping. They said, mister Shopton said what he said,

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Speaker 1: So we keep it moving, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a good impression of nearly fuller too, Carl. There

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Speaker 2: Hey, look man, there's a lot happening, a lot happening.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where to begin, and so let's begin

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Speaker 2: with Zuckerberg. He had his day in court yesterday and

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Speaker 2: Zuckerberg claimed Meta, the new name for Facebook, had improved

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Speaker 2: the plaintiffs's lawyers hit back and said, you expect a

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Speaker 2: that's your basis, what swearing on the oath that children

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so right, well, we're trying to throw it back

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Speaker 1: you can't regulate it, as you said, as they you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, as we get back to the

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Speaker 2: What do you know about this? It happened England.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they arrested him this morning. You know, you

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Speaker 3: Was arrested for a connection with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: No, he's he mentioned that only one person has been

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, like a nickname, like a

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Speaker 2: The Thames Valley Police previously previously rather said the force

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Speaker 2: This is as unbelievable as the thing about the Prince Karl.

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Speaker 2: I never really knew that there were lots of that.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Kevin. My guess that happens to be

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Speaker 1: the Hood Doctor. Doctor Gokaya Patterson, good doctor, grand rising brother.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program, doctor Patterson. There have lost

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Speaker 5: Am yeah, brands you and the WL family again always

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much. I appreciate that, and you know

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Speaker 6: understood that this person was a person who would go

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Speaker 6: into the bowels of the community where the issues were

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Speaker 6: and take the healing and take the services to the community.

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Speaker 6: And of course, as you know, this is a major

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Speaker 6: major issue in our community to day, with heart disease

438
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Speaker 6: being the number one killer, cancer being number two, and

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Speaker 6: then number three is medical issues or medical problems or

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Speaker 6: medical misconduct is the third leading cause of death in

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Speaker 6: this country. And you know, it's something that we really

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Speaker 6: need to begin to deal with in terms of self care.

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Speaker 6: They called it prevention, you know, but self care is

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Speaker 6: the thing that we need to do. So the hood doctor,

445
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Speaker 6: you know, goes in to the jails. The hood doctor

446
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 6: goes on to the corners in the box where they're

447
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Speaker 6: selling drugs where uh women are prostituting and uh and

448
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Speaker 6: we go out and we do acupuncture seed program. We

449
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Speaker 6: have what we call the plant, the seed program that

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Speaker 6: we named after doctor Matubush Court. We call it the

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Speaker 6: Doctor Matubush Court ABS Collective DC Chapter.

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Speaker 9: UH.

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Speaker 6: And as well, we have a Blani in Baliani blaw

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Speaker 6: Son our lead chapter in Atlanta.

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Speaker 7: UH.

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Speaker 6: We have a chapter in Detroit named after the great

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Speaker 6: Chokway Lamumba who was the lawyer for all of us

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Speaker 6: for the brinks and the side of the court trial

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Speaker 6: over the years. And you know, we just continued uh

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Speaker 6: to do our work UH in the community. My nephew

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Speaker 6: Kamal is on the line. UH. He works with the

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Speaker 6: Detroit UH Acupuncture detox Fessialists. Collected that he can share

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Speaker 6: a little bit about the three acting puncture services that

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Speaker 6: they providing up there. Him and his daughter have been

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Speaker 6: trained by me. His mother, who was a long time revolutionary.

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Speaker 6: My sister Nobleco was a long time revolutionary. You can

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Speaker 6: share a little bit of her history and her work

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Speaker 6: with the Panthers and Revolutionary Action Movement and so many

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Speaker 6: other different organizations through the years.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's bring him on to doctor doctor Kokai

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Speaker 1: passion just waking up at twenty nine minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top of her that's a voice you just heard.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Detroit and mom hmu, grand rising brother,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the program, ground.

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Speaker 10: Rising to you who lessings to all. It's a pleasure

476
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Speaker 10: and honor to be here and to respond to doctor Coca,

477
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Speaker 10: my uncle's you know, morning call. Hey, hey, nephew, jump

478
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Speaker 10: on here with me. So it's a pleasure the morning

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Speaker 10: with everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: So originally from from Los born in Los Angeles, but

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Speaker 10: you know, kind of I would say, a child of

483
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Speaker 10: the movement of my father, a companion of Malcolm X

484
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Speaker 10: in the Nation of Islam and you know, basically becoming

485
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Speaker 10: uh in later years a revolutionary with after Matulu Shakur

486
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 10: helping people in the community. This is my father's story

487
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 10: getting off of heroin, getting off of methadon and other

488
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Speaker 10: drugs through this protocol of acupuncture and social and political education.

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Speaker 10: That people not only needed to get their bodies balanced

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Speaker 10: through this innovative method of the five points protocol in

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Speaker 10: the ear acupuncture, but also to understand that this infusion

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Speaker 10: of drugs is a weapon against our young people, weapon

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Speaker 10: against our communities that has broken trust and so forth

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Speaker 10: through you know, oppressed oppression through drugs in the community.

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Speaker 10: So that was a movement to get people healthy, to

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Speaker 10: get people mentally clear, spiritually clear, in order to stand

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Speaker 10: up in dignity and organize one another. So I would

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Speaker 10: say I've been blessed to you know, connect with doctor

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Speaker 10: Kokai in that tradition. But I did grow up around

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Speaker 10: these natural methods of you know, acupuncture, natural methods of diet,

501
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 10: and I would say clear trying to be clear on

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Speaker 10: what is happening in our communities spiritually, politically, socially in

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Speaker 10: order to take a step back from oppressive habits and

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Speaker 10: take care of our health actively. And so I presently

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Speaker 10: work in the healthcare system advocating through spiritual care, through chaplaincy,

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Speaker 10: but also through health equity consultations. As doctor Kokai had mentioned,

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Speaker 10: you know, there are bias and stigma and systemic racism

508
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 10: is just part of our entire system. So how do

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Speaker 10: we remind people to bring compassion back, bring accuracy back,

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00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 10: bring safety back to our interactions so people can at

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Speaker 10: least have an accurate, you know, way of communicating, of treating.

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Speaker 10: And so that's within the medical system, but in the

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Speaker 10: community we're doing I got trained by doctor Kokai how

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Speaker 10: to learn the five point protocol and to continue in

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Speaker 10: the tradition of community based heally.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty six away from the top of that.

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Speaker 1: That's a brilliant mom cam Move joined us from Detroit

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Speaker 1: along with who doctor uh, doctor Kokai Patision in Washington.

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Speaker 1: The you see doctor Patterson, you mentioned the five point program?

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Speaker 1: What is that for our listeners?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you so much. I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot

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Speaker 6: that back to my student Kamal. But let me just

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Speaker 6: say that that five point protocol goes back to doctor

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Speaker 6: Matulash Corps in nineteen seventy. You know, there was an accident.

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Speaker 6: One of his children you heard me tell the story,

526
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 6: was paralyzed and another one of our revolutionary's sisters, Yuriko Chiami,

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Speaker 6: another friend of Kamal's mother, and she worked very closely

528
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Speaker 6: with Malcolm X told Matulu about the acupuncture and he

529
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Speaker 6: saw the acupuncture and working, and he used it and

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Speaker 6: bought it back to Lincoln Hospital and that's how they

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Speaker 6: started to do that, which of course came out of

532
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Speaker 6: the work that Miles Sayton did in China using acupuncture

533
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Speaker 6: nerves to deal with the opium epidemic that they had there.

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Speaker 6: And they began to use one specific point in the ear,

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Speaker 6: a lung point and they got some great reactions as

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Speaker 6: a result of that, and then they begin to add

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Speaker 6: five other points. I'm sorry, four other points that covers

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Speaker 6: so many different things addiction, trauma, depression, et cetera. But

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Speaker 6: let me turn that back over to Kamal who can

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Speaker 6: explin a little bit about those five points, and I'll

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Speaker 6: shine in you know, on top of that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Ja, well hole a response, brother Kliule, because

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Speaker 1: we've got to step aside and get caught up with

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Speaker 1: the latest news, traffic and weather and not different cities.

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Speaker 1: Family just joining us is twenty four minutes away from

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Speaker 1: the top of the hour. I guess this doctor Kokai Patterson,

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Speaker 1: he's known as the Hood Doctor in Washington, d c.

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Speaker 1: For along too one of his relatives, brother imm Camus

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Speaker 1: in Detroit, and they have a program that they're going

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Speaker 1: to share with us later as well for young people,

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Speaker 1: especially for the summer. So keep our young people occupied.

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Speaker 1: You two can get in on this conversation. All you

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: have to do is really reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls. That's we check the

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Speaker 1: latest news, traffic and weather in that different cities. That's next,

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us on

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Speaker 1: this Thursday morning. We're seventeen minutes away from the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour with the hood doctor doctor Kayle Patterson

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Speaker 1: out of Washington, DC. Also his relative I Mom and

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Speaker 1: cameu is ri us as well come out, I A

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Speaker 1: should say it's with us as well. He's in Detroit

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Speaker 1: and they have a summer program coming up at our youngsters.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a moment, but before he's

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Speaker 1: going to tell us about the five point protocol program

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Speaker 1: that they have as well. Before we do all of that,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind you calling up later this morning

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Speaker 1: that we're going to be joined by clinical psychotoist doctor

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Speaker 1: Jermy Fox. But before we hear from doctor Fox, Sime

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Speaker 1: and book A Mohammed the writer, we'll provide this for

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Speaker 1: an update UFO update. And also that's tomorrow was Friday.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give you a chance to free your mind

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00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: and all that means is thing for yourself and join

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Speaker 1: us for our open phone Friday program again promptly at

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Speaker 1: six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten

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Speaker 1: ten WLB. Also in the DMV on fourteen fifty WL.

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Speaker 1: All right, brother in mom come out, can you can

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Speaker 1: you finish? Tell us about this the five Point Protocol program,

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Speaker 1: a Dtror Patison mentioned.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so again a reminder that this was developed with

581
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 10: the innovative thinking of doctor Batulus Shakur and those that

582
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 10: he worked with and educated from the community to get

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Speaker 10: people off of methadon, which was seen as a shackle

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Speaker 10: on the hearts and minds and bodies of folks trying

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Speaker 10: to get off of the heroin. That was a result

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Speaker 10: of sort of you could say, chemical warfare on the community,

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Speaker 10: and it still comes in so many different ways on

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Speaker 10: our people. But that five point Protocol basically teaches us

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Speaker 10: that in the ear, your ear represents your entire body.

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Speaker 10: So if you look at the ear, you can see

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Speaker 10: the image of a fetus, with the head being the

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Speaker 10: lobe and your spine being the edge of your ear,

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Speaker 10: and you have this unique shape inside the ear. And

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Speaker 10: so those those points in the ear, there are many

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Speaker 10: of them, but the five point Protocol focuses in on

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00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 10: five points that affect your entire system to help you detect. So,

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Speaker 10: as doctor Kai had mentioned, they started off with the

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Speaker 10: lung because the lung was related to pain control to

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Speaker 10: help people get through the symptoms of withdrawal from the

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Speaker 10: from the opioids and so. But lung the system affects

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00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 10: you on a physical, mental, and spiritual level, which we

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Speaker 10: won't go into all of them, but the lungs are,

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00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 10: for example, related to the emotion of grief. How many

604
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 10: of us go around, you know, with grief just stored

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00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 10: in our bodies, that shows up in different ways and

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Speaker 10: it affects our breathing. Then we also have the kidney point,

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Speaker 10: and the kidney point is related to the emotion of fear.

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Speaker 10: There's also you know, an upside to that is determination.

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Speaker 10: So a person might be afraid of change, but when

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00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 10: they're balanced in their kidney then they'll have more determination

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Speaker 10: to change their habits.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 10: There's also the liver point. The liver point is related

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Speaker 10: to the emotion of anger. Right, so if you're able

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00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 10: to treat that, how many of us our lives are

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Speaker 10: affected by anger and we see you know, with alcoholism

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Speaker 10: and things like that, leading fighting, the killing and so forth.

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Speaker 10: And also you have the sympathetic nervous system, so that's

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Speaker 10: helping our entire nervous system find calm. We have the

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Speaker 10: the shen Min point, which is like the spirit gate,

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Speaker 10: which is related to accessing your higher self over your

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00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 10: lower cell. So the spirit gate men the sympathetic nervous system.

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Speaker 10: That the the kidney point, the long point, and the

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Speaker 10: liver point. So those are the five points that I

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00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 10: get us an entry into detoxifying our system, managing symptoms

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Speaker 10: of addiction and withdraw and other benefits to help us

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Speaker 10: relax and recenter and do away. To think about how

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Speaker 10: he wanted to transform my health.

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Speaker 1: All right, wow, great thirteen away from the top of that, ASSIMAULM. Camal.

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Speaker 1: He's in Detroit along with doctor Kakaie Patterson, the Hood

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Speaker 1: doctor from Washington, DC and doctor Patterson. You tell me

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Speaker 1: have a program that you put them together for our

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Speaker 1: young people for the summer. Can you share that with

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Speaker 1: a family.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, let me vet you back right quick on my

636
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 6: nephew and where he just talked about the five points.

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Speaker 6: The great job, Thank you nephew. The protocol, as he stayed,

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00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 6: had dealt with so many different things. But I want

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00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 6: people to connect up those symptoms and those circumstances that

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00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 6: we can use that five point protocol with connect that

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00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 6: up with the results of slavery. We call it post

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00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 6: traumatic stress slaves syndrome or something like that. He got

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00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 6: this long title for it, you know. But it's the

644
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 6: effect of us just beating us up and raping us

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Speaker 6: and killing us and terrorizing us. And this is some

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Speaker 6: of the fear that we deal with, you know. But

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Speaker 6: as he stated, his other fear also that has to

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 6: just do with our will, but also the depression, the loneliness,

649
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 6: the separation anxiety that all Africans went through for those

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Speaker 6: years of being in slavery because they were always separated

651
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 6: from their children, their brothers, their siblings, their mama did that.

652
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 6: So we constantly dealt with that and it becomes it

653
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 6: became a norm now. So this five point protocol can

654
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 6: deal with that post traumatic stress slade syndrome or post

655
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 6: traumatic stress syndrome. As the military has taken that five

656
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 6: point protocol and they call it battleground acupuncture. So this

657
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 6: being done in the Veterans administrations all over the country.

658
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 6: As a result of the toolsh coor putting this profile

659
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 6: file together, they started using it for court intervention programs

660
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 6: for first time offenders. I know, I was offered deposition

661
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 6: back in ninety eight here in Washington d C to

662
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 6: do that work, and I turned them down because again

663
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 6: it wasn't to be correct in terms of the way

664
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 6: that they were doing it. They did not want to

665
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 6: compensate people for it, so they just wanted to use it.

666
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 6: But we see it as a tool for liberation. We

667
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 6: call it liberation medicine that if you can get a

668
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 6: black person to get to a balanced state, get them

669
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 6: to a conscious state, get them to open up and

670
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 6: deal with a variety of issues, we can then begin

671
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 6: to politicize and educate them and get them become a

672
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 6: part of the human race in terms of being able

673
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 6: to change some of these issues. So that five point

674
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 6: Protocol is a revolutionary two in its liberation medicines. I

675
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 6: just wanted to throw that out for quote the Street

676
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 6: Code Ambassador's program we're looking for this summer. So I

677
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 6: just want to put out right quick to all of

678
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 6: the listeners who are in the metropolitan area that we're

679
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 6: looking for volunteers. We need about three or four volunteers

680
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 6: between the hours of nine am and three pm. This

681
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 6: is a five hour youth employment program where the district

682
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: government to Marion Bury summer youth employment program where they

683
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 6: pay young people thirteen to seventeen years of age a

684
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 6: stipend or a salary for those two or three months

685
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 6: that they're out of school. I was a part of

686
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 6: that summer program going back to the seventies and I

687
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 6: ran the summer program for probably about fifteen straight years

688
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 6: that we worked with the summer program. So the staff

689
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 6: that work in the program will not be salaried. So

690
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 6: we're always looking for organizations and individuals who have some

691
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 6: kind of stability who can absorb these young people into

692
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: the arena, into their organization, into their institution, into their church,

693
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 6: into their community center. So we're always looking to collaborate

694
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 6: with people who want to work with these young people.

695
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 6: So last summer we applied for it and we were

696
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 6: able to get the grant, but we weren't able to

697
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 6: go through it. We had about ten young people report

698
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 6: to us and we had to turn them away because

699
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 6: the staff that I had rounded up had to make

700
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 6: some other choices and decisions around employment and things of

701
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 6: that nature. So we're looking for volunteers for this summer

702
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 6: youth program that will be starting in June, and we're

703
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 6: calling it the Street Code Ambassador's Programs. UH, the Street

704
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 6: Code excuse me. The street code came out of what

705
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 6: people know as the thug life code Tupac share cord.

706
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 6: My nephew had on his stomach thug life uh in

707
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 6: Matulu asked me. He said, well, son, what is this

708
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 6: uh thug life stuff on your on your on your

709
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 6: stomach and he said, oh, well, you know popped us,

710
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 6: you know lifestyle so far he said, well, we can't

711
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 6: get clear about that because we don't understand that doesn't

712
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 6: mean you're going out to rob old ladies and snatch

713
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 6: pockety books and now no, it's principles of the street. Okay,

714
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 6: well we need to write that up. So what Matuud

715
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 6: did was reached out to some gang members of the

716
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 6: Bloods and the Crypts and Gangs, the Disciples and you know,

717
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 6: I can't think of the other group uh and asked

718
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 6: them to write a code for street life. That's how

719
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 6: Pop got it. So once they wrote it, Matuad received

720
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 6: it and he gave it to pot and popped me

721
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 6: and to promote it in the community. Fast forward, when

722
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 6: the two came home, as you very well know, I

723
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 6: moved out to California with him and stayed out there

724
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 6: in Hollywood with him at his son's house, Mopreme and

725
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 6: took care of him for those five months that he

726
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 6: was still with us. And he asked me, said, okay,

727
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 6: said I need you to take the street code and

728
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 6: rewrite it. So we took the street code and I'm sorry,

729
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 6: the thug life code, and we rewrite it and we

730
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 6: called it the street code and missiless codes that you

731
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 6: know people have in the street. I know I came

732
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 6: up with those codes in the streets. And even though

733
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 6: we were out in the street doing wrong, there were

734
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 6: certain things that we could not do that were taboo

735
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 6: in the community. You didn't rob the candy lady, which

736
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 6: was the elder who sold candy to the kids and

737
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 6: gave candy away to the community. You did not break

738
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 6: into old folks homes. You didn't break them homes in

739
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 6: your neighborhood. If you did these kinds of things, you

740
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 6: couldn't hang out in the neighborhood. You had to go

741
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 6: to another neighborhood. We would shun you. Hey man, that's

742
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 6: witch com man he broke in and mar Jones' house man,

743
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 6: you know mar Jones give us candy and stuff, you know.

744
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 6: So we had some principles out there. You didn't sell

745
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 6: drugs to pregnant women. You know, you didn't beat on women.

746
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 6: You know, all of these kinds of things that we

747
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 6: grew up with as codes when we were in the street.

748
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: So we rewrote the street code and we're presenting it

749
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 6: to the community. We've been presenting it for a few

750
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 6: years now, and we developed a program called the Street

751
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 6: Code Ambassadors that we're going to implement this summer where

752
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 6: we're going to take twenty to fifty young people, depending

753
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 6: on the size of staff that we get. If we

754
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 6: get about three or four staff members, we can't have

755
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 6: that many, and these young people will be distributing this

756
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 6: street code document out in the community. We'll be going

757
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 6: to the summer schools. As I stated, we go uh

758
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 6: into specific communities UH and pass these out. But we'll

759
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 6: be tapping into the youth organizations UH this summer because

760
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 6: we don't want to put our young people in dangers,

761
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 6: so we will not take them to some of the

762
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 6: places that we go to UH, but we will be

763
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 6: hitting the summer schools, and we will be hitting the

764
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 6: churches and the community centers and the youth groups and

765
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 6: the youth organizations and in some areas in the community

766
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 6: will be able to go out uh and pass out

767
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 6: this street code. But the whole purpose is to bring

768
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 6: some kind of order to the street, which is what

769
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 6: the original thug like code was about.

770
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 11: UH.

771
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 6: And when I was coming up, this was not even uh,

772
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 6: something that was written down on paper. As you talk

773
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 6: a lot of times called about the codes UH and

774
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 6: that codes are unseen UH, but they are innate within populations.

775
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 6: And this was an innate principle with us as we

776
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 6: were coming up, that there was a code in the street.

777
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 6: There was certain dudes, and don't that even if you

778
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 6: were out there committing crimes or doing things to damage

779
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 6: the community, but there were certain things that you would do.

780
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 6: So in this summer program with the Street Code Ambassadors,

781
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 6: these young people a.

782
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: Hold up thought right there, because we got to step

783
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: us out here a few moments, doctor Patterson. We got

784
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: to check the trafficking weather. But thank you for connecting

785
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: the dots because many of us are seeing the pitch

786
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: of Tupac with thug on the tattooed on the stomach.

787
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Now we know, right, and now you're sharing to us

788
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: what it really means, because I think people thought it

789
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: was something else, you know, something negative. Eight hundred four

790
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six number to call

791
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: you want to join our conversation with the Hood Doctor,

792
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Dotor Kakhai Patterson in Washington, d C. And also a

793
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: Moan Camal calling us from Detroit. You could reach us

794
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: an eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

795
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls after we check

796
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: the trafficking, weather and the news in similar cities. That's next,

797
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us.

798
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: Admitted after the top of down. I guess doctor kakaink Patterson,

799
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: known as the Hood Doctor in Washington, d C. Is

800
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: an nephew in Mound Kamal is also whether us. He's

801
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: in Detroit and what they're discussing is a summer program

802
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: they have for youngsters. So doctor Pantison, I'll let you

803
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: finish it and sharing the information about the summer program.

804
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 6: Absolutely. Let me go back one more time about the

805
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 6: acupuncture detached protocol and just make a point that we're

806
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 6: having great results with that protocol as we relate to

807
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 6: add and ADHD and this all goes all the way

808
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 6: back to the late seventies and eighty, you know, with

809
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 6: this attention deficit stuff, and it's working very well on

810
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 6: autism and all kinds of psychologic coin balances. So again,

811
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 6: these are the results of trauma, you know, and slavery

812
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 6: through the years. So I just wanted to touch on

813
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 6: that and let folks know that this protocol worked well

814
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 6: for add ADHD, autism, etet. Get around a lot of

815
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 6: those drugs and a lot of the other stuff that

816
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 6: they're doing to those children. Okay, running back to the

817
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 6: street code, let me just give one example of one

818
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 6: of the street codes. It says his number ten. It says,

819
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 6: having children sell drugs is against the code. Carjacking in

820
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 6: our hood is a ganks of the cold. We have

821
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 6: the responsibility. This is number thirteen. And the original number

822
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 6: thirteen was f the police. You know, we controlled our

823
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 6: own community. So again this is why two wanted me

824
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 6: to clean some of it up, and we right, and

825
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 6: we wrote up we have the responsibility instead of saying

826
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 6: that we have the responsibility to control violence in the

827
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 6: hood and make it safe for our families, elders, and

828
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 6: the squares. Who are the squares, Those are the young

829
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 6: men and women who are going to school, trying to

830
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 6: get their acts together, and it was against the code

831
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 6: to take their tennis shoes. It was against the code

832
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 6: to take their jacket. Found out that somebody in our

833
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 6: crew took little Billies, you know, tennis shoes, and little

834
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,439
Speaker 6: Billy is a good kid. He goes to school every day. Man,

835
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 6: you'd get beat down, you know, you'd be told to

836
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 6: take those sneakers back to that young man, because this

837
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 6: is somebody who is going to be doing some good things,

838
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 6: you know, in our community. Another code, and this is

839
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 6: just getting out of our control. No shooting or stabbing

840
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 6: or fighting your baby daddy or your baby mama, or

841
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 6: your children, or your family members, or your boyfriend or

842
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 6: your girlfriend or your spouse. This stuff is getting out

843
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 6: of hand, you know, in terms of young people being

844
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 6: involved in what they call domestic violence in the community.

845
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 6: You know, no shooting or stabbing or fighting at parties, schools, churches, mosque,

846
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 6: religious centers, funerals, playgrounds, recreation centers, parks, basketball called zoos, stores, malls,

847
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 6: Lonbie match restaurants, fast food carry outs and musement park,

848
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 6: connor Wills fairs, shopping centers, parties, clubs, cookouts. I mean

849
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 6: they're shooting everywhere. We had to explain the list every

850
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 6: week when we already shooting where the church? What they're

851
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 6: shooting in a mosque? Hey, wait a minute, what the

852
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 6: shooting in the grocery. What the shooting at the at

853
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 6: the zoo, they're shooting at the at the party, at

854
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 6: the disco, they're shooting after Hey wait a minute. These

855
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 6: were no nos when we were coming up. You did

856
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 6: not start a fight at a party or at a school.

857
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 6: You you know, you were thrown out of those spaces.

858
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 6: So the street code, you know, really permeates, you know,

859
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 6: uh and talks about the issues in the community directly

860
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 6: in what those behaviors are, in how we need to

861
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 6: you know, get control of it. So this summer we'll

862
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 6: be conducting educational seminars on a daily basis. When the

863
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 6: young people come in h they will go through an

864
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Speaker 6: orientation around the street code, but we will also give

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Speaker 6: them information about what's going on in the community. We

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Speaker 6: will educate them about drugs and what drugs are, and

867
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Speaker 6: we will teach them the use of the monoxalone. I

868
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Speaker 6: can never pronounce that word, but this is a product

869
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 6: that they have in the community where you can spread

870
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Speaker 6: up somebody's nose if they odd on the street from

871
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Speaker 6: the fentanyl, which we know now is taking over one

872
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Speaker 6: hundred thousand people a yearly when at one point in

873
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Speaker 6: time we only had maybe one hundred to three hundred

874
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Speaker 6: ods across the country. Now we got one hundred thousand

875
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 6: just with fentanyl. So again, street codes, no selling drugs

876
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Speaker 6: to children, no selling drugs on school property, no selling

877
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Speaker 6: drugs to pregnant women. You know, these are street codes

878
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Speaker 6: that we need to get back to that we've gotten

879
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 6: away from. And a lot of it has to do,

880
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 6: uh we're just people dropping the ball. A lot of

881
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 6: our elders, a lot of people didn't see it coming

882
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 6: because they were blinded, you know, by the media, you know,

883
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Speaker 6: in terms of all of the shows and uh, you know,

884
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 6: the music and all of the things that are distracted

885
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Speaker 6: to our community. So we want to highlight these behaviors.

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00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 12: We want to.

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Speaker 6: Talk about the importance of coming together in establishing a mindset,

888
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Speaker 6: establishing a title way if you if you, if you will,

889
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 6: of individuals absorbing the street code and seeing uh, the

890
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 6: street itself turn these issues allow.

891
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Speaker 1: Right, nough right, Because we got to move on to

892
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: a brother Simeon Book of Mohammazan deck. We'll get to

893
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: your momentail. Doctor Patterson, how can we? And I want

894
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: to thank you brother Amom Kamal from join us in

895
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: Detroit as well. But doctor Patterson, how can we if

896
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: we want to volunteer for the program for this summer?

897
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: How do they reach you?

898
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Speaker 6: Absolutely? Uh, you want my nephew to talk a little

899
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 6: bit about Ramadan. But they can get in touch with

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00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 6: me directly. They can call me at two zero two

901
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 6: for one two four eight eight zero. Again that's two

902
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 6: zero two for one two four eight eight zero. And

903
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 6: if I don't answer, just please leave a text that

904
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Speaker 6: you're interested in working with the UH Summer Youth Program

905
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 6: sponsored by the African All the sculpt Association and the

906
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Speaker 6: ADS Collector Street Code Ambassadors.

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Speaker 1: All right, quickly, brother Ama Camal uh Ramaed, I'm a

908
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Speaker 1: bog to you, so tell us a little bit about Ramadan.

909
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Speaker 6: Ramadan Khalid, Yes, Ramadan Koreem. Yeah.

910
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 10: We just started this lunar month. By starting the moon,

911
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 10: folks will be all over the world and all the

912
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 10: country will be fasting from sun up before before sun

913
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 10: the sun rises until don uh until the sunset uh.

914
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Speaker 10: And that is a time of purification, purification of our values,

915
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 10: our minds, our hearts, our souls, in intensive prayer, charity,

916
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 10: UH and service and community and families. So it's just

917
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 10: a time of peace, a time of purification and transformation

918
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Speaker 10: and liberation through the practice of fasting and UH, engaging

919
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 10: the Koran and prayers and remembrance and charity. So Romanambara

920
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 10: to everyone, and continue to be a blessing to the

921
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Speaker 10: world wherever you are. People, all right, and.

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Speaker 1: Thank you doctor Passion, Thank you, Brother Comal as well.

923
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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that with us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you, thank you. We appreciate, yeah, we

925
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Speaker 6: appreciate you know, the work that you're doing. Brother and nephew,

926
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Speaker 6: thank you so much. It's important for the community understand

927
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Speaker 6: that this is a period of time for everybody, not

928
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Speaker 6: just Muslims. You know, this is a period where people

929
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 6: can collaborate and come together get better understanding. Except it's

930
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Speaker 6: the highlight for us, you know, as we struggle to

931
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 6: deal with this insanity here on this planet.

932
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Speaker 7: So a game.

933
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Speaker 6: We want to thank everyone for their support of African

934
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 6: Or the Skelf Association and the ABS Collective as well

935
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,919
Speaker 6: as our Street Code Ambassador's program. Thank you a call

936
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 6: and the wl family, and thank you nephew for coming

937
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Speaker 6: on at such a late notice.

938
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Speaker 10: All right, the pleasure, Thank you all.

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Speaker 1: That's doctor good Kind Pattison his nephew, I Mom Kamal

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Speaker 1: in Detroit, join us, and thank you for explaining what

941
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Speaker 1: Ramadan is because we got to say Ramadam obarka, Ramadam Kareem.

942
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Speaker 1: To our next guest, Islama lakem brother, send me and

943
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Speaker 1: book of Mohammad, welcome back to the program.

944
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Speaker 7: Wellam Slam Ramadan Kareem.

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Speaker 1: Here, Yes, sir, thank you, and then shout out to

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Speaker 1: all I must brothers and sisters. But with you about

947
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Speaker 1: UFOs and just give us an update. What's the very

948
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Speaker 1: latest that you can share with the family about UFOs.

949
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean the latest thing is I would say,

950
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Speaker 7: is President Obama's interview recently where you know, I you know,

951
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Speaker 7: some might think that he walked something back, but I

952
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 7: think there was a strategic interview and the net effect

953
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Speaker 7: of it was focusing light on this issue again and

954
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Speaker 7: breaking through the media silence. I mean, in the context

955
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Speaker 7: of what he did, the net effect was responding to

956
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Speaker 7: President Trump's racist tweet about the Obamas and black people.

957
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 7: His aliens are real comment caused the interview to go viral,

958
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 7: giving it more attention and more intention more attention to

959
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 7: his interview and his response to President Trump, because you know,

960
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Speaker 7: clearly he was not gonna make an outrageous or sensational

961
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Speaker 7: response to Trump. So this was a way strategically to

962
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Speaker 7: get more people to hear and listen to what he said. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And again, brother sim Bookhammad and family, brother Simeon Book.

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Speaker 1: Homedi is a writer and you know he probably failure

965
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Speaker 1: with his name Simeon Book and his father is a

966
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Speaker 1: well known journalist. But with Simon Book of Mohammed, what

967
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Speaker 1: did actually what did Obama say? What did as an

968
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Speaker 1: Obama actually say? And why did why you think he

969
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Speaker 1: walked it back?

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Speaker 7: Well, I wouldn't say that he walked it back. I

971
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Speaker 7: think this was an opportunity and he took it to

972
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Speaker 7: focus on the existential threat of UFOs and it's also

973
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Speaker 7: a popular issue with the public, as I covered the

974
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Speaker 7: last time I was on your show, as a bipartisan issue,

975
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Speaker 7: and he was able to get his personal opinion on

976
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Speaker 7: UFOs and aliens or ets out to the public. You know,

977
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Speaker 7: of course he's sworn to secrecy on the issue and

978
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Speaker 7: so basically what he was saying was his personal opinion.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 7: Maybe I'm reading more into this, but it's actually what happened.

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Speaker 7: It's time with the Iran situation in the Middle East,

982
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Speaker 7: where you know, the world is basically on the brink

983
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Speaker 7: of all out war in the Middle East and World

984
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Speaker 7: War at the same time. It ties into and this

985
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Speaker 7: time with the El Paso Airport incident, which some of

986
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Speaker 7: your listeners might be familiar with, where you know, you

987
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 7: basically had an airport being shut down, being threatened to

988
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Speaker 7: be shut down for ten days due to a swarm

989
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Speaker 7: of Mexican drones. Turns out that there haven't been any

990
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 7: confirmed reports of Mexican drones, and apparently a high energy

991
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 7: laser was being tested or planned to be tested for use.

992
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 7: And at the end of the day, they're saying the government,

993
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 7: that's the Department of Defense and the FAA is saying

994
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 7: it was just a party balloon. So you know, this

995
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 7: is a real threatened danger from whatever perspective you look

996
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 7: at it on. And he also was highlighting and focusing

997
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Speaker 7: on President Trump's promised to release the UFO files, which was,

998
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Speaker 7: you know, a big part of his campaign, and he

999
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 7: promises base that and there's been no movement of that,

1000
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 7: so he, you know, kind of put the ball back

1001
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Speaker 7: in President Trump's lap on that issue. And at the

1002
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Speaker 7: same time, from a political standpoint, you know, in Congress

1003
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Speaker 7: as we speak, their bills seeking support for the UFO

1004
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 7: Disclosure Act as well as a Whistleblower Protection Act. So

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Speaker 7: you know, rather than looking at it as walking it back,

1006
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 7: I just think it was a strategic move on his part.

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01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: Wow. So you think he did that deliberately to prompt

1008
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: Trump to now reopen the UFO files. You think that

1009
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Speaker 1: was a strate strategic move by Obama to do that.

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01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 7: I tend to look at it that way because he's

1011
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 7: a sharp brother and I don't think he would. He also,

1012
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 7: you know, went on part a podcast as opposed to

1013
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 7: doing interview on a mainstream media channel, so you know,

1014
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 7: that offered more options and freedom of speech and movement.

1015
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 7: So I mean, I could be wrong, but if I

1016
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 7: am reading more into it, that is and that effect

1017
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 7: of what.

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Speaker 1: He did, well, you know what'll come from Frank. Let

1019
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: me come back though. Should we be concerned about UFOs

1020
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: even if they are UFOs, and you know, should we

1021
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: be concerned it's something that's negative that's going to impact

1022
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: us or is it just another phenomenon as it seems

1023
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: to be for the average person that it really not

1024
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: honed into UFOs like you are. This is something you

1025
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: write about, something you've researched. But for the folks who

1026
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: are listening to planning on UFOs, you know, okay, so

1027
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: you know. So when we got back to explain to

1028
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: the audience why you think this is important for us

1029
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: to know? Family just joining us. It's seventeen minutes after

1030
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: the top day. I guess it's sim and Book of Mohammad.

1031
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: He's a writer and he's also doing a lot of

1032
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: research into UFOs. What are your thoughts? You could join

1033
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: this conversation by reaching out to us at eight hundred

1034
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

1035
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

1036
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,959
Speaker 1: for starting your Thursday with us. At twenty minutes after

1037
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: the top of day, I guess his writer Sime and

1038
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: Book of Muhammad. His father is a famous award winning journalist.

1039
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Speaker 1: Sime and booker the Simi Book of Mohammad all part

1040
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: of the Nation of ISLAMI. So we want to thank

1041
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: you for joining the nation of Islam and sharing this

1042
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: and this uh and Ramadam mubark to you if I

1043
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: failed to mention it. But my question to you before

1044
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: we left the break, brother semn, what why should we

1045
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: be concerned about UFOs? This is a research you've done

1046
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: and a member of the nation's nation has been talking

1047
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: about UFOs from its existence. All of a sudden, now

1048
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: it's coming front and center. So should should we be concerned?

1049
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: What should why should we be concerned about UFOs?

1050
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Speaker 7: Well, I think you've just given some good reasons right there.

1051
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 7: If you look at the history of the nation and

1052
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 7: American history and Black history and uh, the uf UFO

1053
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 7: concept in terms of being systematized, organized, written about, spoken about,

1054
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 7: originated uh in through the nation UH nearly one hundred

1055
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 7: years ago. UH. Beyond that, you know, we're an ancient

1056
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 7: people and the euthology is part of our Pan African

1057
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 7: tradition as well. In terms of extraterrestrials other dimensional beings,

1058
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Speaker 7: this is a part of our history and culture going

1059
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 7: back eons from a historical context dealing with Egypt, the

1060
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 7: Dogon peoples and the Syrian connection Southern Africa, connection with

1061
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 7: UFOs and other dimensional beings. We have the biggest or

1062
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 7: one of the most well known UFO incidents in America

1063
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Speaker 7: with basically a brother and not to mention the aerial

1064
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Speaker 7: school incident in Zimbabwe, which is one of the biggest

1065
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 7: mass sightings and experiences with UFOs. You know, just sticking

1066
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Speaker 7: with the ancient part of it, there's a spiritual dimension

1067
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Speaker 7: to this UFO phenomenon. And you know, again we're talking

1068
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 7: about ancient history and our history beyond just the history

1069
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 7: in America, I'm sure excuse me, going back into the

1070
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Speaker 7: slavery days, and we know this from music and songs

1071
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Speaker 7: that Negro spirituals have a connection with UFO experience. So

1072
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 7: just from a history and cultural perspective, you know, it's

1073
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Speaker 7: something that's deeply involved in the black experience in the

1074
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Speaker 7: modern context. Just from a financial perspective, you know, we

1075
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Speaker 7: pay something like two hundred billion dollars a year in

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Speaker 7: income tax alone, and this country has spent trillions of

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Speaker 7: dollars on this UFO cover up research and development, making

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 7: crafts and weapons. So you know, in just ten years,

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Speaker 7: we're paying what a trillion dollars In five years, we're

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Speaker 7: paying a trillion dollars in income tax, and our money

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01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 7: is being spent on all sorts of things that we

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Speaker 7: have no control over. So that's just one practical reason

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Speaker 7: to be interested in this, in what the government does

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01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 7: with this. If the government is so concerned about this

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01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 7: that in itself said let people know, there's really much

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01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 7: more to this than meets the eye.

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Speaker 1: So right, family the twenty five after the top that

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Speaker 1: I was seeming book of Mohammed's a writer has done

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01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: a lot of research into the UFOs, And you've talked

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Speaker 1: about the l Paso airport that was closed recently, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't say it was UFOs. They said it was

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01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: it was because of drone activity. How do we know

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01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: the difference between a drone what is it we nano

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Speaker 1: as drones and the UFO.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I think it's very clear how the

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Speaker 7: conventional drones operate and what they look like, just in

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Speaker 7: terms of movement, shape, and speed. I would also connect

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Speaker 7: that l Paso incident to the incident in the end

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Speaker 7: at the end of twenty twenty four over in New

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Speaker 7: York and New Jersey where hundreds and thousands of sightings

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Speaker 7: were made of drones and other objects. So you know,

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Speaker 7: so when you're talking about a UFO, you could be

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01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 7: talking about something that can be stationary, that is anomalousts

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Speaker 7: and unknown. You could be talking about something that has

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01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 7: the ability to just instantaneously accelerate at fantastic speeds.

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Speaker 10: You could be.

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Speaker 7: Talking about people experiencing visitations or dreams or visions or

1108
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 7: telepathy or something of that nature. You could be talking

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01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 7: about orbs of light. You could be talking about on

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Speaker 7: all types of different anomalous phenomenon related to the intelligence

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Speaker 7: behind the UFO and specifically going back to that l

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Speaker 7: Paso incident, there was no evidence or reports or confirmation

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Speaker 7: of any drones that were actually seeing. Furthermore, you know,

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Speaker 7: in a comparison or bringing the drones into this picture,

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Speaker 7: why haven't for example, in the weeks and months of

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01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 7: sightings and New Jersey, New York and the Eastern Seaboard

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01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 7: at the end of twenty twenty four, not one drone

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01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 7: was the mobilized, shot down or captured. So the insertion

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Speaker 7: of the term drone and drones into this discussion, more

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Speaker 7: than anything else, is just part of the disinformation surrounding it.

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Speaker 7: But I think any.

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Speaker 1: Thought, brother Seaman who left the right there, because Monte

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01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: is checking in from the Pentagon City in the war room.

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01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: He wants to join the conversation. He has a question

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01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: for you as well. Fami, you could do the same.

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01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: Just reach out to us at eight hundred and four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six, brother Man tell

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01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: you and my brother Sam and Book of Muhammad and.

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01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 7: Readings, Morning Riseing.

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Speaker 13: I had a few questions for you, and I wanted

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 13: to know because you tell me what's the difference between

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 13: a Palladian and an Annaki.

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Speaker 10: That's the first question.

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Speaker 7: Well, you're talking about ancient theory, ancient history. If you're

1135
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 7: talking about the Pleiadians, you're talking about beings or extraterrestrials

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01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 7: coming from the Pleiades constellation. And the Ananaki is something

1137
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 7: out of ancient history and culture that goes back thousands

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01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 7: of years and it's tied to ancient extraterrestrials coming to

1139
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 7: Earth and enslaving human beings and so forth. So you're

1140
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 7: basically talking about extraterrestrials.

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Speaker 13: What could you give me a description that a Canadian

1142
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,879
Speaker 13: and a description that an ANONOPTU think.

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 7: Well, I don't subscribe to.

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01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 9: That.

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 7: They're actually physical descriptions like that. My perspective and this

1146
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 7: is drawn from my experience with the nation where this

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 7: started in the modern era, and just from the concept

1148
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 7: or the scientific position of evidence of this in the

1149
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 7: modern day context. I'm not in a position to do that,

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01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 7: and I don't think anybody is.

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01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 13: Okay, I heard you mentioned the Ezekiels weird a few times.

1152
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 13: I heard you want to come across the radio, and

1153
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 13: that's what caught Matt.

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 7: I've been a couple of years ago. Yes, yes, I

1155
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 7: have mentioned Ezekiel Wheel in relation to biblical context for

1156
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 7: UFO phenomenon and beings, as well as connecting that with

1157
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 7: the Nation's the Great Wheel, the mother wheel, the baby

1158
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 7: planes coming out of the wheel. But as far as

1159
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 7: far as as far as anybody claiming to be an

1160
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 7: expert on specific extraterrestrials or the different descriptions of extraterrestrials,

1161
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:56,520
Speaker 7: whether you're talking about the Grays or you're talking about

1162
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 7: the Nordics or the Reptilian, we're basically talking about individual

1163
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 7: reports and experiences of people that you know, from from

1164
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 7: a strict scientific standpoint, are open to discussion. Ami mall

1165
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 7: sighting shit. Now go ahead, I potgiz to interrupting you.

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Speaker 6: What do you think about that?

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01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 13: Miami alien siting. I think it was last year. A

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Speaker 13: year before that, what was over three hundred It was

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01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 13: over three hundred police in southeast Miami at the at

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Speaker 13: the mall. They said the aliens, they should The aliens

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01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 13: came in I guess to a portal and they had videos.

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 13: I saw the videos. They had videos and they were

1173
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 13: like drinking in and out, like they were coming out

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01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 13: of another dimension, like in and out.

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Speaker 6: And it was like over three hundred police there.

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01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 13: That was in Miami.

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01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 7: Uh right, you know last year.

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Speaker 13: You know you didn't hear that.

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01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm familiar. I'm familiar with that, and you know

1180
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 7: I wasn't there, But that could definitely be There could

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01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 7: definitely be something to that. There were scores of eyewitnesses,

1182
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 7: there's apparently visual or recorded evidence, and there's also it

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01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 7: looks like the police and the authorities shut it down

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01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 7: right away and there really hasn't been any follow up

1185
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 7: investigation on that. So there definitely could be something to that.

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01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 7: And remember that.

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Speaker 13: Gentleman is missing. That eyewitness's missing, the black you black gentleman.

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Speaker 13: He never could find them after that they actually had

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Speaker 13: the video.

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Speaker 7: Well, if that's actually the case, and that would certainly

1191
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 7: fit in with the UH cover up and disinformation that's

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 7: been going on on this subject UH for quite some

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01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 7: time by the government.

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Speaker 14: Thank you, question, thank you quick question, Yeah, real quick.

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Speaker 6: Do we live in a draconian system?

1196
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 7: What system? Do we live in?

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Speaker 10: The draconian system?

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Speaker 7: I'm not in a position to answer that question for you, No, Fri.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate, thanks, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Alright, all right, thank you. A lot of questions from questions. Yeah,

1201
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: interesting because you know, this is really deep and there

1202
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: is a sort of a cover of as a brother

1203
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 1: Simeon Book of Muhammad, as we mentioned. And before taking

1204
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: the coffee, you can can you address the situation with

1205
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: Area fifty one. This is when I first heard about

1206
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: this stuff. T. Cochley would talk about this about what's

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01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: going on in the area fifty one, that it's classified

1208
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: and they try to keep going on secrets, and he

1209
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: said there was something to do with the UFOs and

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01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: also aliens there.

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01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 7: So what say you, Well, that that's been in the

1212
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 7: U that's been reported, and part of that's been reported

1213
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 7: and part of the folklore going back to the Roswell

1214
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 7: incident in nineteen forty seven where the bodies were allegedly

1215
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 7: or purportedly taken to Area fifty one, and since that

1216
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 7: time that's been reported or alleged to be someplace where

1217
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 7: UFO research and activities occur. But again, you know from

1218
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 7: a journalistic and scientific standpoint of one being able to

1219
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 7: confirm that those are two different things, like some of

1220
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 7: the questions your last guest was answering, and so I'm

1221
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 7: only going to report for the record or to the public,

1222
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 7: which I can have absolutely proved one hundred percent as

1223
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 7: as fact and not conjecture or fiction. One. I know

1224
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 7: that some of the Congress people took a visit to

1225
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 7: Area fifty one sometime over the past year.

1226
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:23,879
Speaker 5: And.

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01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 7: Apparently they weren't allowed to see everything at the facility.

1228
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 7: And I do know, well we heard President Obama make

1229
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 7: a statement about Area fifty one that he's sure there

1230
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 7: are no alien bodies there. So you know, we can

1231
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 7: we can take all of this with a grain of salt,

1232
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 7: I think. And that's how I approached this across the board.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I thought four minutes away from the take

1234
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 1: open mind, Yes, you have to have an open mind

1235
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: when you discussing UFOs. And let me just say this

1236
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: could come up a break of Marvin and Baltimore has

1237
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: a question for it. Wef we take the break. Let

1238
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: me just remind folks, Area fifty one this is a

1239
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: classified Air Force facility. It's just north of Las Vegas

1240
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: in the Nevada Desert, and this is where they supposedly

1241
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: the government does all kinds of secret experiments. And you know,

1242
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: when the UFOs are there's something that even some presidents

1243
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: don't even know exactly it was there. As brother Simeon mentioned, me,

1244
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: let me.

1245
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 7: Let me correct something real quick. The alien bodies, the

1246
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 7: purported bodies from Roswell were taken to right Patterson Air

1247
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 7: Force Space and Dayton, Ohio. So let me correct that

1248
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 7: as opposed to Area fifty one.

1249
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,440
Speaker 1: All right, And this is the thing. It's highly classified

1250
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: as top secret. Even as I mentioned, even presidents don't

1251
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: really know what's going on there. This is what they's

1252
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: what they're doing, running experiments there, and that's where they

1253
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: say they've seen that there's probably where the UFOs are there.

1254
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: But let's take the break. Let's check the news, trafficking

1255
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: weather in our different cities before we and Marvin we

1256
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: get back. Marvin has a question for you and family.

1257
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: When you hear a people. Our supporters are commercials. Please

1258
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: support the people who support this program so we can

1259
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: keep it rolling. Twenty three minutes away from the top

1260
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,799
Speaker 1: of the hour, I guess this Sime and Book of Mohammed.

1261
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: He's a writer and he does a lot of research

1262
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: into UFOs. What are your thoughts? Reach out to us

1263
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight

1264
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: to seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls that

1265
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: we check the news, trafficing, weather in our different cities.

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: That's next, and grand rising family, thanks for starting your

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01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: mornings with us, and this Thursday morning, and at sixteen

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Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of the hour, I guess

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01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: is writer Sime and Book of Mohammed. Before we go

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: back to simeon the let me just remind you coming

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01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: up later this morning, we're joined by clinical psychiatrist doctor

1272
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 1: Jerome Fox. You'll be here talk about his book is

1273
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: best selling work book I actually say Addicted to White,

1274
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: the Oppressed in League with the Oppressure, a shame based alliones. Tomorrow,

1275
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: of course, is Friday. We're going to give you a

1276
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: chance to free your mind, think for yourself and just

1277
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: join us for anything. The exciting happening in your community

1278
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: or any of the programs you heard before. You can

1279
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: comment on it. Then all you have to just reach

1280
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred and four or five zero,

1281
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: seventy eight to seventy six. We started taking your phone

1282
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 1: calls at six am right here in Baltimore on ten

1283
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,520
Speaker 1: ten WLB and also in the DMV on fourteen fifty WL.

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: Brother Simon, as I mentioned, the Marvin has a question

1285
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 1: for you. He's online too. It's called from Baltimore City,

1286
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: Grand Rising. Marvin. You a question for brother Sime and

1287
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: Book of Mouhammad.

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Speaker 7: All right, greetings, Grand Rise, And this is Melvin.

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Speaker 15: I stumbled upon this situation by taking our documentaries in

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Speaker 15: Balmore County Library and in the Prat Library in Baltimore City,

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Speaker 15: and I ran into Ancient Aliens documentary and they have

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Speaker 15: a situation where this this big battleship engaged this like

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Speaker 15: tick tack ship and when it moved, it moved at

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Speaker 15: incredible speed, and when it moved it the water bubbled up,

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Speaker 15: so it was like a visual coming from a ship.

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Speaker 15: And that that really convinced me. That situation kind of

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Speaker 15: like told me that there's something to this thing. And

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Speaker 15: not only that, it's too many, too many, many situations

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Speaker 15: from the whole community, around the whole world, from Alaska

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Speaker 15: with polits and all kinds of people documentary these situations.

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Speaker 15: I believe it because it's too many. Congress has been

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Speaker 15: allocated money and they have been numerous studies.

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Speaker 6: I believe it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, thanks Melvin, so he believe.

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Speaker 7: I agree.

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Speaker 1: But well, let me ask you this brother, See, man,

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Speaker 1: how can the cover be so complete? Though at least

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Speaker 1: somebody's got to leak something. I mean, it's almost a

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Speaker 1: wall of silence when it comes to talking about UFOs.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean that there's been like the brother just said,

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Speaker 7: then you've got all of these documentaries Ancient Aliens, the

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Speaker 7: History Channel, You've got all types of books from the

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Speaker 7: slave species of the Gods, of the secret history of

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Speaker 7: the Anonaki and their mission on Earth. You've got voluminous

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Speaker 7: amounts of information. And then you've got millions of people

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Speaker 7: who have been who have experienced this phenomenon, whether they

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Speaker 7: had an actual visitation or physical or dream experience or

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Speaker 7: something like that, or they saw something, or just the

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Speaker 7: fact that this UFO phenomenon is just ingrained in the

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Speaker 7: culture so you know, most people think there's something to it.

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Speaker 7: The majority people think that there's a government cover up.

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Speaker 7: And so do you believe in or not your experience

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Speaker 7: it because when the idea or concept of a UFO

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Speaker 7: comes up, if you don't believe or a year in denial,

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Speaker 7: then that causes a chemical reaction and physical reaction if

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Speaker 7: you do the same thing. So we're all experiencing this.

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Speaker 7: And as to the cover up, it again, it just

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Speaker 7: shows the incredible power of socialization and the media. And

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Speaker 7: when you talk about whistleblowers for example, well, there have

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Speaker 7: been whistleblowers going back to the beginning of this, and

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Speaker 7: we've just had hearings last year where you have had

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Speaker 7: whistle blowers and you had actual video evidence of phenomena.

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Speaker 7: So I mean, when you combine those together and you

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Speaker 7: add to fear factor and people just being consumed in

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Speaker 7: their everyday lives to survive, and you add to that

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Speaker 7: the negative effect. I mean, it takes a lot to

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Speaker 7: come out and say that you've seen something. You know,

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Speaker 7: so the deterrent factor is very strong, whether it's just

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Speaker 7: deterrent of fear or the deterrent of pear pressure is

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Speaker 7: very strong. So you add all of that together it

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Speaker 7: causes a plausible denial. So even as we speak, nobody

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Speaker 7: can say one, actually, what's going on? It's really quite incredible.

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Speaker 1: And the key is, brother, shall you kind of have

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Speaker 1: an open mind when it comes to things like this?

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Speaker 1: Just doesn't write it off just you know, because that's

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Speaker 1: how they get us. But I got a tweeted as

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Speaker 1: a question for you, brother. See when he says, really,

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Speaker 1: ask your guests, are UFOs and different dimensions more of

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Speaker 1: a consciousness and ancient technologies?

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Speaker 6: Is it more?

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Speaker 7: Is that an either or question?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's what I'm just really, I think

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Speaker 1: that's what he's trying to say.

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Speaker 7: It's both as far as I can tell. And again

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Speaker 7: I'll repeat to me, there are no experts on this subject.

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Speaker 7: There are people that know more or less or more

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Speaker 7: than other people or have done research, but from what

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Speaker 7: is commonly available to people, you know, there are no

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Speaker 7: experts and so my experiences, there's a consciousness factor and

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Speaker 7: there's also a technological factor involved in this, and I

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Speaker 7: can't answer it any simpler than that. Right, it's not

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Speaker 7: either or?

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you. This is nine away from

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Speaker 1: the top. Now, were talking about UFOs, but other possibilities,

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Speaker 1: So they could be other unidentified objects that are below

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Speaker 1: the sea as well, and not only in the skies.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Well, the unidentified submersible objects are as much

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Speaker 7: a a phenomenon as the ones that are in the sky,

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Speaker 7: and that that's been that's been the case from the

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Speaker 7: beginning as well.

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Speaker 16: And going back to the document the documents, document documentaries

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Speaker 16: that the brother was mentioning, all the different documentaries, videos,

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Speaker 16: eyewitness reports, they're just as prominent.

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Speaker 7: And then the hearings that have been happening on the hill.

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Speaker 7: There have been former military people, actual admiral who testified

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Speaker 7: and speaks on this all the time about the unidentified

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Speaker 7: submersible objects. It's just that, for the most part, most

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Speaker 7: people get their information from popular culture and the media.

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Speaker 7: The media, the popular culture tends to focus on the

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Speaker 7: air objects to the air aerial objects as opposed to

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Speaker 7: the underwater objects. But it's just as much a phenomenon

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Speaker 7: as the other.

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Speaker 10: Ate.

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Speaker 1: Away from the top of that, Brother Simmings, so what

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Speaker 1: what is what is the endgame? What what is is?

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Speaker 1: Are there are there so called aliens are out there

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Speaker 1: where they be in the sea being the skies, and

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Speaker 1: the government knows about this and they're trying to keep

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Speaker 1: it away from us. How do you just sum it

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Speaker 1: up for us? Because you've been doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: research on this, what do you what do you think

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Speaker 1: it's going on here?

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Speaker 7: And I know most people can't, you know, don't have

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Speaker 7: the time to spend reading a lot of books and

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Speaker 7: spending hours looking at documentaries. But I would advise anybody

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Speaker 7: if they want to get a clear understanding of this

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Speaker 7: just from the governmental standpoint and our and where we

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Speaker 7: are with that, just take the time to look at

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Speaker 7: the hearings that have been on the hill. Just take

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Speaker 7: the time to do that. And I'm sorry asked me

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Speaker 7: that question again, Carl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the question was the whole idea about UFOs and

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Speaker 1: now you're talking about those in the sea as well.

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Speaker 1: What's the end game? What are they trying to do?

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Speaker 1: Why should we be concerned because they're trying to keep

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Speaker 1: all this information away from us in Area fifty one

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Speaker 1: out in Nevada, all the stuff that they're doing in secrecy.

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Speaker 1: And then you've got presidents like Obama and also Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump to acknowledging that there are UFOs and Trump is

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Speaker 1: not released the files yet, but it's it's all shrouded

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Speaker 1: in secrecy. I'm just wondering, what's what's the bottom line,

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Speaker 1: whether they're trying to hide away from us.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I have I have no I can only

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Speaker 7: say that the the phenomenon, the intelligence behind the phenomenon

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Speaker 7: is here in terms of saving the planet and saving

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Speaker 7: the people on the planet, just speaking generally, if you

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Speaker 7: look at the.

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Speaker 6: First of all, just look.

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Speaker 7: At the nation's history and teachings on this with the

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Speaker 7: Great Wheel, and just look at the let's go back

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Speaker 7: the nineteen forty five and the nuclear attacks on the

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Speaker 7: Japanese cities. The UFO phenomenon started appearing frequently in nineteen

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Speaker 7: forty seven, and during those forties is where the nuclear

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Speaker 7: testing was going on. So this phenomenon, to me is

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Speaker 7: a direct response to the destruction of the planet, the environment,

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Speaker 7: and the people of the earth. And that's just in

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Speaker 7: a very broad stroke way of looking at it. And

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Speaker 7: so I start from there, and then I just fell

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Speaker 7: into blanks with what I see and experience every day.

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Speaker 7: And as we speak, look, you know it's discussing it,

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Speaker 7: but look what's happening in the Middle East. There's actually

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Speaker 7: an armada there, and we could be minutes or days

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Speaker 7: away from all out war in the nuclear in the

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Speaker 7: Middle East, leading to increased conflict and possible nuclear war.

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Speaker 7: So I just put it in that context and ask

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Speaker 7: the question why, And to me, that's the reason why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hold that thought right there, because we're gonta. We

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Speaker 1: gonna check the trafficking weather in a different cities. But

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Speaker 1: I thank you for pointing that out. And you know,

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Speaker 1: because we're looking for answers here, solutions if you will

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Speaker 1: when we come back, though, explain to us what we

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Speaker 1: can use from this, what she we glean from all

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Speaker 1: this information? How can this help us? Because I always

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Speaker 1: get this question, how can that help us? You know,

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Speaker 1: we're always seeking solutions to the problems, and again you

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Speaker 1: mentioned what's going on in the Middle Eastia. You're right,

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Speaker 1: we could be days so manutes away from another configation

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Speaker 1: over there, three away from the top of the f family.

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Speaker 1: You want to get in on this conversation with that guest,

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Speaker 1: Simen Book of Muhammad. He's a writer, a researcher on UFOs,

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Speaker 1: have an open mind. But you can reach him at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

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Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls next and Grant

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your Thursday with us. To

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Speaker 1: have the top of that with Brother Simeon book of Mohammed.

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Speaker 1: He's a writer, has done a lot of research into

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Speaker 1: UFOs and I'm mon Tello. We're going to join by

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Speaker 1: a doctor, Jeromy Fox, a clinical psychologist. But Brother Simeon,

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Speaker 1: before we let you go, what do you see in

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Speaker 1: the future? Do you hear a good thing? We're going

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Speaker 1: to hear more about UFOs and how we're going to

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Speaker 1: distinguish them from from drones now, because it seems like

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Speaker 1: what happen in New Jersey. You mentioned what happened in

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Speaker 1: Al Paso that people thought there was USO and they're

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Speaker 1: using that saying there it was drones. So how do

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Speaker 1: we know the average person who doesn't do the research

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Speaker 1: like yourself, How will I know what if they do

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Speaker 1: spot at a UFO and they'll say, hey, it was

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Speaker 1: probably a drone, how I know the difference.

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Speaker 7: I don't think there is any any question about that.

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Speaker 7: I would say the issue of the drones is related

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Speaker 7: to when I started. First of all, my main reason

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Speaker 7: in doing this and even going public like this, was

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Speaker 7: just to get across the fact that the UFO phenomenon

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Speaker 7: in the modern era goes back to the Nation of

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Speaker 7: Islam in nineteen thirty, as simple as that. And so

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Speaker 7: if you start there and then you ask, well, why

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Speaker 7: doesn't why isn't this well known, Why isn't this reported

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Speaker 7: even as we speak, then that tends to give you

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Speaker 7: an idea what's going on. And so I don't think

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Speaker 7: there's any any question about distinguishing a actual UFO from

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Speaker 7: a drone because whoever is operating the UFO is going

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Speaker 7: to be operating it either for you or against you.

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Speaker 7: And the same thing with the drones. Now, one of

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Speaker 7: the reasons that UFOs is something people should be talking

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Speaker 7: about is there are things that are unidentified in our

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Speaker 7: skies from the actual intelligent uf drone phenomena to just

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Speaker 7: man made craft for military purposes and drones for military purposes.

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Speaker 7: So I think you'll be able to distinguish not just

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Speaker 7: from the movements of the craft, because there's no question

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Speaker 7: about it. UFOs can move it terrific speeds. They have

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Speaker 7: capabilities that other mechanical convention all objects don't have. The

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Speaker 7: question is what is going to be a danger to

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Speaker 7: you and your family and by ignoring what's in disguise,

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Speaker 7: whether it's UFOs or drones, and what is the intent

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Speaker 7: and the reason for them being there? Is really the

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Speaker 7: goal or what people should be concerned about?

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Speaker 1: Right and hold up thought right there, Brother Siman. Cynthia

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Speaker 1: has a quick question for you. She's calling from Bouie.

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Speaker 1: She's online too, grand rising you on with the Shiman

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Speaker 1: book of Muhammad.

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Speaker 17: Grand rising with brother Muhammad. As this big question in

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Speaker 17: regard to you, it is a good segue what you

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Speaker 17: just mentioned about you know our focus, well, who are

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Speaker 17: driving these these UFOs? And my question to you is

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Speaker 17: these beings are aliens? Do you think in part of

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Speaker 17: my research, uh that these beings could be Netlims. Aliens

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Speaker 17: are not directly mentioned in the Bible, but some of

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Speaker 17: my research research has been they could be lineage from

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Speaker 17: some sort of giant daughter, you know, being born of giants,

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Speaker 17: the daughters of giants. What are your your opinion on

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Speaker 17: what these aliens could be?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Cypia, Thanks you, okay, okay, okay. Well on

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Speaker 7: on the alien question or on the extraterrestrial question. I

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Speaker 7: my own thinking is it's entirely possible that there are

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Speaker 7: extraterrestrials that are amongst us now as we speak. But

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Speaker 7: my first uh where my mind goes uh analytically, is

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Speaker 7: the most logical pilots or operators are these grafts of

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Speaker 7: these crafts are either as you say, ancient uh peoples

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Speaker 7: for example out of the Bible or ancient books or

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01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:20,679
Speaker 7: other dimensional or uh interdimensional beings or something of that nature.

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01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:27,719
Speaker 7: So for me, the et aspect of it is there,

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Speaker 7: but but it's not. It doesn't come to mind first

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01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 7: for me. I know it's possible, and it perhaps likely,

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01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 7: But for me, it's ancient indigenous people uh and who

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01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 7: have who have a technology, who have been around, and

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01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 7: we're the descendants of that or of them, so and

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01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 7: and and a in a large in a manner of speaking,

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01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 7: I look at the operators or the pilots or of

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Speaker 7: basically being of of myself or my ancestors. That's that's

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Speaker 7: personally how I look at it.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll hold up there, right there, We got

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01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 1: gotta right there, Doctor Fox is on deck. Really, Siman,

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01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: how can folks reach if they want to find out more,

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01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 1: if they've got some information, if they've seen a UFO,

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01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: how can I get in touch with you.

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01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 7: Oh you can. You can get in touch with me

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01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 7: on LinkedIn uh or at uh euh e c C

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01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 7: at John eMac Institute dot org.

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01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: All my time.

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01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 7: Let me make sure I'm getting this right, all right? Yes,

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01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 7: E c C at John E. Macinstitute dot org.

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01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 1: All righty, thank you, brother SeeMe in Book of Behind.

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01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Thank you for the research you do and thank you

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01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: for sharing it with that folks. You know, when it

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01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: comes to the issues like this, we're always on the

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01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: late train, we're all and by that time everything's gone

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01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 1: and decisions have been made and we're we're left in

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01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 1: the rear. So thank you for keeping us informed on

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01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: what's going on with the UFOs.

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01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,799
Speaker 7: All right, thank you appreciate being here.

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Speaker 1: My family piece ten half of the top of they

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Speaker 1: are with That was brother Seeming in Book of Muhammad.

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Speaker 1: And now we turn attention to clinical psychologist doctor Jermie Fox,

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Speaker 1: doctor Fox grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 11: Yes, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Fox. Family is the author of the best selling workbook.

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01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 1: It's a work book addicted to white the oppressed, in

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01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 1: league with the oppressor, a shame based alliance, you know,

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01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 1: speaking of the last one that's part of the title

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Speaker 1: I Love a shame based alliance. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: watching the news yesterday the White House. They were celebrating

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01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Black History Month and Donald Trump was there performing, and

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Speaker 1: we had a bunch of black folks out there cheering

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Speaker 1: him on. I'm just wondering, knowing his character, what does

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Speaker 1: he think about those folks who are cheering him on?

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01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 1: And that goes for you know, most of the white

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01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: folks when they think about black people who different from

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Speaker 1: the mainstream black people, what do white people think about them?

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Speaker 1: We know what we think about them, you know, we

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01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: do see them as sellouts, and you know and Sambos

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Speaker 1: and the unhold nine yards. But what do white people

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01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 1: see Do they see that they're smarter than us or

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Speaker 1: think or they're sharper than us. That's why they support

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Speaker 1: the causes that the harm even themselves.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I really have no idea to tell the truth

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Speaker 9: of how you know, white folks see them. My guests

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01:39:55,640 --> 01:40:00,719
Speaker 9: would be that they see them in a variety of ways.

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Speaker 9: I am not entirely convinced that they don't see them

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Speaker 9: in the same way that we do. They may see

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Speaker 9: them as a sort of what do they call even

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Speaker 9: Trump a sort.

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Speaker 11: Of useful idiots. That's the reference that support the Russians

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Speaker 11: have for Trump, that he's a useful idiot for their purposes.

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Speaker 11: And these black folk who you know, support our oppressors,

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Speaker 11: are just useful idiots. And I would not be surprised

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Speaker 11: to find that the white people who are using them,

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Speaker 11: with the white oppressors who are using them for their

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Speaker 11: own purposes, also consider them to be useful idiots. The sad,

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Speaker 11: poor part is that apparently these back people, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 11: are comfortable with being viewed as useful idiots, perhaps in

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Speaker 11: their minds, and I don't you know, claim to be

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Speaker 11: you know, in anyone's head, but probably for them, they're

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Speaker 11: receiving something that they value, like money, because of course,

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Speaker 11: you know, money is this nation's god, and you grow

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01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 11: up in this society, you are in danger of joining

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Speaker 11: our pressers and considering, you know, money and material goods

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Speaker 11: to be the end all beal. So you know, obviously

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Speaker 11: some of these people are making money. They they're getting

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Speaker 11: paid with the recent addition to the useful idiot cabal

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Speaker 11: of uh I'm forgetting her name, the rapper uh my god,

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Speaker 11: yess who recently joined that cabal. I heard I don't

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01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 11: know how true it is that, you know, maybe she

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Speaker 11: was having some financialcial problems at her house, may have

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Speaker 11: been you know, the mortgage payments in the rears. I

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01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 11: don't know, but generally that is the strongest motivation that

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Speaker 11: people have. So maybe in their minds they're using uh

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Speaker 11: in black folks minds, that they're using their white oppressor

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01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 11: as as much as the white oppressor is using them.

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Speaker 11: I don't know. But as I said, I don't know

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Speaker 11: how whites consider these clowns, but it would not surprise

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Speaker 11: me if they don't see them as we do, as idiots.

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Speaker 11: But you fool for their own nefarious purposes.

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Speaker 1: All right? Fourteen half the top of our family. I

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Speaker 1: guess this. Clinical psychologist doctor Jeromey Fox is the title

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Speaker 1: of his best selling work work is Addicted to White

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Speaker 1: the Oppressed in League with the Oppressor, a sham based alliance.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Fox. I'm dive into the title. Now, can can

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Speaker 1: black people be a press? Can that be applicable to

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01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: to black persons? Can black who are pressed other black

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01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 1: persons who are being oppressed by black people as well?

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Speaker 11: Well? You know they say that, you know, black people

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01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 11: cannot be uh. Let me just say racist, because racism

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01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 11: is really an institutional phenomena. You have to have the

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01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:49,799
Speaker 11: power to enact your prejudices. But you know, clearly black

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01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 11: folk have joined forces with our oppressors. And I guess

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01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 11: to that degree if put in positions of authority over

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01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:04,720
Speaker 11: other black people, and uh if if in that position

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01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 11: they you know, just further uh the oppressive agenda of

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01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 11: their white bosses, then yeah, yeah, I think you could

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01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 11: say that their oppressors. You know, the said that during

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01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 11: our captivity, which people call slavery, but I tend to

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Speaker 11: call our captivity, there were black people who owned other

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01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 11: black people as so called slaves. So yeah, you can

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01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 11: join forces with them, and then in that regard further

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Speaker 11: the their institution of you know, white supremacy and all

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01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 11: of the things that that flow from that.

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01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,479
Speaker 1: All right, hold up, right, then we gotta step aside

1641
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: for a few months and we'll come back though. Question

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01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: for you, doctor Foshon.

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Speaker 11: That's what I mean by being in league with the oppressor.

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01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 1: But go ahead, yeah, yeah, I want to delve into this.

1645
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 1: That that picture of the Obama's being depicted as apes.

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01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 1: You know, we've heard almost silence from the Maga craft,

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01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 1: the black Maga crowd except for Tim Scott, and Tim

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01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Scott said this is the most disgusting basically on paraphrasing

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01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 1: what he said, most disgusting thing he's seen coming out

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01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: of the White House. He was totally upset. Then he

1651
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: got a phone call from Donald Trump and we haven't

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01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: heard peep from from Tim Scott. I wanted what you

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01:45:29,120 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: delve into that with the Black Maga that Trump supporters

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01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: supposed to who were there at the White House. And

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01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 1: by the way, Nicki Minaj is going to be doing

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01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 1: performing for them. I think it's today or tomorrow. She's

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01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 1: going to be performing for the Black Maga group. Their

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01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 1: thoughts when getting if you can get into their heads,

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01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: you know, some people say it was despicable with some

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01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,759
Speaker 1: of them, people remaining silent Byron Donald's down in Florida,

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01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 1: remaining signent about that. Do they separate themselves when Trump

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01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: or anybody attacks black people, saying well, that's damn, that's

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01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 1: not us. If you can explain that, I'd appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: But we take this quick break seventeen minutes after top

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01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: of the that family, you want to get in on

1666
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 1: this conversation with my guests. He's a clinical psychologist Sami

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01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 1: is Doctor jerome E Fox. You can reach them at

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01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six

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01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,200
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

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01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: thanks are staying with us on this Thursday morning and

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01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: twenty minutes after the top of the hour with I

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01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: guess the clinical psychologist, doctor Jeromey Fox. You twok enjoin

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01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 1: us in this conversation. Hit us up at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, Doctor Fox.

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01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: I questioned that that picture that or that that meme

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01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 1: is who's turned in to a meme?

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01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 7: Now?

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01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 1: The Obamas being apes and the reaction from Black Maga

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01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,679
Speaker 1: somebody treating and says some Black Magas have drifted away,

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01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 1: they've five departed, but they haven't denounced it. I just

1681
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 1: want to try if you can get in their heads.

1682
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 1: Do they think it doesn't appeal to them? I mean,

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01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: Tim Scott spoke out. He says it was deplorable and

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01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: just paraphrasing exact words, She's the worst thing to come

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01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 1: out of the White House. He couldn't believe that the

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Speaker 1: President of the United States would do something. But I

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01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 1: want you to get into their heads, the black not

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01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 1: only the black maga, but why folks too. It wasn't

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01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: widely condemned by white people as well. So can can

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Speaker 1: you flesh out what's going on here with that depiction

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Speaker 1: of the Obamas as apes and the response.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, our white oppressors dehumanized us from the

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01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 11: very beginning, this idea of African people being beast or monkeys.

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01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 11: You know, even doctor Dubois. Dubois spoke about that and

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01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 11: the quote that I have in my book from the

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01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:40,680
Speaker 11: nineteen nineteen and that what ikes want to view us

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01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 11: as monkeys? And he goes on and on as well

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01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 11: as you know, other derogatory ways. So this is nothing new.

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01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 11: I just couldn't you know. I'm very put off by

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01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 11: whites and blacks who act as this level of racism

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01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 11: is something new. Everything that black people are going through

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01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 11: now we went through as recent as in the eighteen

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01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 11: hundreds post reconstruction. There's almost like a direct one to

1704
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:24,600
Speaker 11: one correspondence between what they're doing now that affects at

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01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,640
Speaker 11: least black people and what they did back then. So

1706
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 11: this is nothing new, and way before then, in order

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01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 11: to really justify their so called to satisfy perhaps I

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01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 11: should say they're so called Christian conscience. They you know,

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01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 11: whipped up this idea of us being lesser than human

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01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:56,640
Speaker 11: in order to justify their enslavement of us or captivity

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Speaker 11: of us all, you know, holding us in captivity and

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Speaker 11: working us as if we were just beast of burdens.

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Speaker 11: So this is really nothing new. And given all of

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Speaker 11: the permission at the Trump you know, hyphen Epstein House

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01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:25,599
Speaker 11: has given all races you know, waste eracs. Uh race.

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01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:30,479
Speaker 11: This has never left America. They just from time to

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01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 11: time go underground, uh when they're under the law. But

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01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:42,879
Speaker 11: given uh the Trump Epstein White House effort to erase

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01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 11: all you know, restrictions placed on racist expressions in this society,

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01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,679
Speaker 11: they've just come crawling out of the woodwork, uh, where

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01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 11: they were temporarily hoping for this kind of opportunity to

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01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:05,439
Speaker 11: re emerge. So this is nothing new now, Uh, the

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01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 11: senator is remarks, I don't take really very seriously. You

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01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:14,840
Speaker 11: can't say that this is just unbelievable. As I say,

1725
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 11: once again, that really irks me. How is it unbelieved evable?

1726
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 11: If you have any kind of a knowledge of American history? Uh,

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01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 11: this is very consistent. Uh, with how they view us.

1728
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 11: It's just that from once again and from time to time,

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01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:38,719
Speaker 11: they don't feel uh free to just say so. Now

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01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 11: they do because they have their a grand wizard in

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01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 11: the White House, so you know, and and you know,

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01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:52,600
Speaker 11: once again, going back to the senator, Uh, he he

1733
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 11: had he may have felt some compulsion to say something

1734
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:59,640
Speaker 11: just knowing how you know, absurd it is to have

1735
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 11: a president, you know, espousing publicly that kind of racism,

1736
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 11: but there's no really deep desire to separate himself from

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01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 11: what he considers to be his source of of of

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01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 11: of life, if not just you know, income. I think

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01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 11: that with people you've talked about, the other black clown.

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01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 11: I'm forgetting his name. Representative in the Congress who did

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01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 11: say nothing. But we have to re remember, as I

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01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 11: stay in in my work on page sixteen, that you know,

1743
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 11: deeply rooted, centuries long and ongoing oppression has a devastating

1744
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 11: effect on our psyche, at least to the point that

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01:51:56,680 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 11: it sort of limits the options that we as a

1746
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 11: pressed people can can imagine for our lives. So these

1747
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:15,560
Speaker 11: people so completely captured by our enemies, Uh, their minds

1748
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 11: are completely captured. They cannot see any other option for

1749
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 11: their lives than to attach themselves to these white monsters. So,

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01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:33,440
Speaker 11: of course, as things crop crop, but that would ordinarily

1751
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 11: shake up anybody, Uh, you know from their slumber. Uh,

1752
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 11: these people stay asleep because they just cannot see any

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01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 11: other option other than and sticking with their oppressor.

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Speaker 1: Twenty At the top of that with doctor jer and

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01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 1: Fosh not Futa ask you this, though we didn't hear

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01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 1: widespread condemning a kind of nation from the white community

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01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: as well or any other community, everybody sort of shinning,

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01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 1: you'll quit.

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Speaker 11: I say, I know it's around page eighty in the

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Speaker 11: workbook that I reinforce about eighty two that we as

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01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 11: a people, we want to forget this because I guess

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01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 11: it makes us feel very bad. But on page eighty

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01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:35,719
Speaker 11: three that Africans, we as African people of African descent,

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01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:41,840
Speaker 11: can hardly find a friend anywhere in this world. The

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01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 11: wider pressor's values, including prejudice toward African black skin, have

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01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 11: infected nearly everyone, even the so called lighter skin negroes

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01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:59,599
Speaker 11: in our miss So once we understand that, and in fact,

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01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 11: we've been, you know, conditioned to not even befriend ourselves

1769
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 11: each other, So we should We shouldn't be surprised that

1770
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 11: people don't come to our defense. You know, we just

1771
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 11: saw that very recently with this whole so called brown

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01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:25,719
Speaker 11: or Hispanic popul relation, which the the men at least

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01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 11: uh voted overwhelmingly for this grand wizard in chief, Donald

1774
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 11: Trump dump. And you ask yourself, how could these people

1775
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 11: who are really black they don't want to be, but

1776
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:45,240
Speaker 11: because once again, black is more of a political category

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01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 11: than a skin color. So they are black, they don't

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01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 11: want to be. But they come to this nation ignoring

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01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 11: the history, are refusing to learn in the history of

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01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 11: these whithite people that they're so enamored by, thinking once

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01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 11: again they can get, you know, the kind of lifestyle

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Speaker 11: that they want. A lot of these people come here

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01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 11: not fleeing persecution. I don't care what people say. Most

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01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 11: of them are so called seeking a better life as

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01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 11: defined by white folk. And the better life as defined

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Speaker 11: by white folks is simply more money, more money, and

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01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 11: more creature comforts. It has nothing to do with joining

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01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:40,600
Speaker 11: a democracy, furthering democratic development of this land and in

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01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:45,160
Speaker 11: which there is really freedom, justice and opportunity for all. No,

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01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 11: they're coming here seeking the opportunity to make money and

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01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 11: get creature comforts for themselves, ignoring the history of appression,

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Speaker 11: of the oppression of black people. So for anybody, you know,

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01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 11: any other black person to do the same, we should

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01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 11: we ought not to be. I'm surprised. Uh, they're not.

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01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 11: You know, we're not. We're not trained to really be

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Speaker 11: all that concerned about democracy. That's why whenever there's a campaign,

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01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:33,080
Speaker 11: particularly a national presidential campaign, people will come out and

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01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 11: say it's the economy, stupid. They don't come out and

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01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 11: say it's equality for everybody, stupid. It's the economy, meaning

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01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 11: that money is their god. And these people, like the

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01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 11: senators and whatever, they have a whole adopted this white worldview,

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01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:02,440
Speaker 11: you know, the wholesale without any questioning that, you know,

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01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:09,240
Speaker 11: which is predicated on, as I said, narcissism, get my book, narcissism,

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01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 11: greed and violence. And they're willing to participate in that

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01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 11: whole system of narcissism, which in the case of America

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01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:26,760
Speaker 11: is racism, because racism is a subcategory of narcissism. Like

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01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 11: only my people, white people deserve, you know, happiness and prosperity,

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01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:38,520
Speaker 11: So it's the narcissism and then degreed to build up

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01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:43,600
Speaker 11: their system, their economic system, while exploiting everybody else. And

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01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 11: of course the violence is necessary to maintain the disparities.

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01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 11: So and we join that, I guess under the delusion

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01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 11: that if you can't beat them, joiner, and since we're

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01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 11: not going to really I for principle, uh, as I

1814
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 11: said many times before we sing the song uh before

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01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 11: I be if I be buried in like great, But

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01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:13,360
Speaker 11: we really don't believe that. So we're more willing to

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01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:18,440
Speaker 11: join the slavocrats in order to preserve our life, just

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01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 11: to survive, not to thrive, but just to survive. So

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01:58:23,160 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 11: here's what we get with that kind of Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But let me jump in here fast. Does that mean

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01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 1: they agree because they're silent about what they're not speaking

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01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 1: out against you, that means they agree with what they saw.

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Speaker 11: I don't know if they agreed that they themselves are monkeys,

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01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 11: but they certain they have twisted their mind to perhaps

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01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:53,880
Speaker 11: believe that. Well, you know, maybe whatever the whatever excuse

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01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 11: the president gives them, like he didn't really see it

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01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 11: or or whatever, that it's just a joke. I remember,

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01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 11: I think I mentioned this before. When the uh, the

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01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 11: golf people, I don't really follow that. And when Tiger

1830
01:59:12,240 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 11: Woods get uh uh gained his first victory. Way back then.

1831
01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:23,560
Speaker 11: The club was saying that I guess we'll have to

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01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:29,680
Speaker 11: start serving collar greens and fried chicken. And there was

1833
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 11: a big hoopla if you recall over over that comment, uh,

1834
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 11: because they have apparently a dinner after where he gets

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01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 11: the green jacket or whatever. And I remember talking to

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01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:46,360
Speaker 11: people saying, well, do you uh, do you think it

1837
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:49,520
Speaker 11: was a joke? And I had to tell them here again,

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01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:56,000
Speaker 11: use your agency to understand that you don't have to

1839
01:59:56,200 --> 02:00:01,280
Speaker 11: follow the white folks conversation about this incident. They're telling

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02:00:01,320 --> 02:00:05,840
Speaker 11: you that it's joke versus not joke. If it was

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02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 11: a joke. Uh, they're trying to convince you that it's okay.

1842
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Speaker 11: But I said, rise above that whether it's a joke

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02:00:14,680 --> 02:00:19,040
Speaker 11: or not, it's it's it was racist and inappropriate. So

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02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:23,160
Speaker 11: in a similar way, you know, they may be trying

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02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:27,120
Speaker 11: to tell themselves, oh, it was just a joke, ignoring

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02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:30,800
Speaker 11: the fact that even if it were a joke, which

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02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:36,800
Speaker 11: it wasn't, by the way, uh, it's still is equally reprehensible.

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02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:42,440
Speaker 11: So maybe that's what's going on in there, is that

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02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 11: you know, we live in a coach or that it's

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02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:51,800
Speaker 11: okay to joke about anything, even in racist jokes. And

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02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 11: so maybe they excuse it in order in their minds,

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02:00:56,360 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 11: in order to remain attached to the hip of our

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02:01:01,080 --> 02:01:01,920
Speaker 11: white oppressors.

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Speaker 1: So they figured it's a joke, that's that's an excuse,

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02:01:06,720 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 1: and and of course you'll say, you'll say, oh, he

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02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:11,880
Speaker 1: didn't mean it, he was kidding.

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Speaker 11: Support and it's only acceptable to white folks minds, or

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Speaker 11: black folks minds. Uh, those minds who want to remain

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Speaker 11: in good favor with our oppressors because they're getting something

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02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:32,760
Speaker 11: from it, like maybe you know, as I said, money,

1861
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:38,600
Speaker 11: better lifestyle than what they would have, uh, you know,

1862
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:46,920
Speaker 11: at least in their minds without being attached to these demons.

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02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 11: So they're they're more than willing to justify, uh, that

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02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:57,080
Speaker 11: kind of of racism if it keeps them in good

1865
02:01:57,160 --> 02:02:02,760
Speaker 11: favor with the supplier of their elevated lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold on though, right there, we got to

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02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 1: step aside for a few months. Yes, it does. When we

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Speaker 1: come back though, I'm just reading an article about Korea.

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02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:14,320
Speaker 1: They've created this culture of k pop and what these

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Speaker 1: young Koreans are trying to do. Doctor Fox and they

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02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:21,520
Speaker 1: changing their facial features, having their eyes open more than

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Speaker 1: nose slimmer.

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Speaker 11: And the whole nine way either. But we can talk

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Speaker 11: about it when we get back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to find if they too are

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Speaker 1: addicted to white you know. All right, Well, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you explain when we get back twenty three minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top of that. Our family, you want to

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Speaker 1: join this conversation with doctor Jeromy Fox, reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next and

1882
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Speaker 1: grand rising family, thanks to staying with us on this

1883
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Speaker 1: Thursday morning at nineteen away from the top of that

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Speaker 1: with our guest, the clinical sn conocist, doctor Jeromy Fox

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Speaker 1: out of Philly. Doctor Fox, the question for you, well,

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Speaker 1: let me just remind the folks of tomorrow's Friday will

1887
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:57,800
Speaker 1: give you another chance to free your mind and all

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Speaker 1: that means is think for yourself on our open phone

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Speaker 1: Front program. We again promptly at six a m. Eastern

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Speaker 1: time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and

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Speaker 1: the mid DMV the Washington Metropolitan here we're on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty w L. All right, doctor Fox, question to you

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Speaker 1: the article that I read about the K pop it's

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Speaker 1: almost like a factory to create these these young singers.

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Speaker 1: It's almost they're binding their culture to look more like

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Speaker 1: like Europeans, changing their eyes, their eyes more rounded and

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02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:27,200
Speaker 1: the slimmer nose and the lips of some of them

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02:03:27,240 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 1: get a puffy ellips. I don't know where that's coming from,

1899
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 1: but explain that is, are they addicted to white as well?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 11: Of course, as I said previously that America our American

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02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:49,040
Speaker 11: UH cinema in particular, but practically all of entertainment, but

1903
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:59,120
Speaker 11: certainly the American cinema. The mind warping power of a

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02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:04,280
Speaker 11: of a of a American cinema UH has made it

1905
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:10,720
Speaker 11: one of the most effective global colonizers UH just meaning

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02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:15,880
Speaker 11: that it has spread its tentacles throughout the world. And

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02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 11: if you look at American UH UH cinema from its beginnings,

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02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:30,920
Speaker 11: you will see all types of UH parodies and stereotypes

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02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:35,000
Speaker 11: of all types of people or other and even including

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Speaker 11: a white folk. But the white stereotype is the you know,

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Speaker 11: John Wayne kind of you know a man, only man

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Speaker 11: in the world in control. The rest of the stereotypes

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Speaker 11: are negative, including the stereotypes of of Asian people. You

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Speaker 11: if you, if you go back in cinema history, you'll

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02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:06,360
Speaker 11: see all, you know, Asian people uh portrayed in a

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02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:11,520
Speaker 11: certain way, and certainly always the farther. The farther you

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Speaker 11: go back and uh cinema history, you find the Asian

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Speaker 11: always portrayed in a lesser than uh um um, you know, role,

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Speaker 11: lesser than their white counterparts, in subjection to their white counterpart,

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Speaker 11: just as we were portrayed similarly but even more aggressively

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Speaker 11: as beasts, and you know, but always in rightfully and

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Speaker 11: subjecttion to this great white bwana. So the Asians, the

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Speaker 11: Africans have all been subjected to this kind of portrayal

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Speaker 11: of themselves and cinema which once again spread its tentacles

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Speaker 11: throughout the world. And there are other factors, of course,

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Speaker 11: but I get kind of zero in or zoom in

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Speaker 11: on cinema as one of the greatest, most effective global

1928
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Speaker 11: colonizers that the world has has ever seen. So these

1929
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Speaker 11: Asians grow up with the same kind of inferiority complex

1930
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Speaker 11: that black people grow up with, or African people, particularly

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Speaker 11: with regard to esthetics and physical features. I mentioned this

1932
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Speaker 11: in the book later on, as well, that we have

1933
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Speaker 11: been training to despise our physical feature in comparison to

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Speaker 11: the typical white features. So it is it shouldn't be

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Speaker 11: surprising that be because once again that has ever disappeared

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Speaker 11: from the you know, from the global scene. So we

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Speaker 11: shouldn't be surprised that still to this day, black people

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Speaker 11: are using skin lighteners. They call them, you know, blemish,

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Speaker 11: you know whatever. But it's the same principle, uh, you know,

1940
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Speaker 11: spot removers, but something but skin lighteners. Uh. Uh. And

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Speaker 11: you you still find Asian people trying to look more

1942
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Speaker 11: have their eye take the slant out of their eyes

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Speaker 11: to look more like uh Western white folk. I mean

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Speaker 11: it's been going on forever. Uh. There has been really

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Speaker 11: no effort to extinguish this kind of thinking. That's what

1946
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Speaker 11: I wrote this book. This whole effort, this whole work

1947
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Speaker 11: book is an effort to get us to cleanse our minds. Uh,

1948
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Speaker 11: this kind of inferiority complex. But there's been no concentrated

1949
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Speaker 11: effort and really helping people, uh let go of the

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Speaker 11: their wide oppressor's idea of what beauty is or idea

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Speaker 11: of what the good life is.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 11: Instead we just continue generation after generation. Uh. Perhaps mess

1954
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Speaker 11: arise by the glitter uh attached to their worldview, but

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Speaker 11: a generation after generation we just uh subscribe to their

1956
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Speaker 11: worldview without questioning it. But this is uh, this is

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Speaker 11: not new. As I said, we are the entire world

1958
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Speaker 11: has been subjected to this white supremacist uh ideology, and

1959
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Speaker 11: the entire world has given up there agency or handed

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Speaker 11: over their agency uh to decide for themselves what's beautiful,

1961
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Speaker 11: what's good, et cetera. And this is the result that

1962
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Speaker 11: we've had for years and years and from generation to generation.

1963
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Speaker 11: My work book is an effort to convince people who

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Speaker 11: have been under this kind of of of doctrine, uh,

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Speaker 11: white supremacist doctrine, that you we still have agency. If

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Speaker 11: if if we could give our lives over into our

1967
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Speaker 11: brains over to these people, these monsters, we can also

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Speaker 11: take it back.

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Speaker 1: Got you to have away from the top ISLANDA wants

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Speaker 1: to join the Since it's calling from Baltimore, she's online too,

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Speaker 1: Grand Riseing, Linda, you're on with doctor your own Fox.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, uh, hello Grand Rising everyone.

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Speaker 14: I just want to say something really quick right.

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Speaker 18: First of all, I honestly think that the way the

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Speaker 18: reason why a white people treat black people like they

1976
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Speaker 18: do is because, first of all, listen to this, I

1977
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Speaker 18: believe they're jealous of black people, right the skins that

1978
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Speaker 18: we own, Our skins are stronger.

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Speaker 14: Oh and by the way, hell we make white babies.

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Speaker 15: Shoo y'all.

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Speaker 14: Okay, don't forget that now, listen, we got better skins.

1982
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Speaker 14: Can you imagine being white and walking in somebody's shoes

1983
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Speaker 14: all day? Don't I'm just gonna draw your picture. I'm

1984
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Speaker 14: gonna keep it clean. You have to wash your faith

1985
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Speaker 14: about ten times a day to keep it clean. That's

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Speaker 14: one number two. It's hard to keep up with that skin. Okay,

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Speaker 14: Because can you make love in the bed? Let me

1988
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Speaker 14: just draw yourne the picture your man get in the

1989
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Speaker 14: bed with you. I'm not trying to be facetious. I'm

1990
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Speaker 14: just telling you like it is. But if you're white,

1991
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Speaker 14: can you kiss your lips a little bit hard?

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Speaker 1: But we Linda put in a question for him so

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Speaker 1: doctor Fox can respond.

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Speaker 19: Listen.

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Speaker 14: First of all, another thing, I like to be called

1996
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Speaker 14: people of color and not black, because some people can't

1997
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Speaker 14: just sing which black some white people of color is

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Speaker 14: fine with me.

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Speaker 11: Okay.

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Speaker 14: As far as talking about a monkey, somebody looking like

2001
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Speaker 14: a monkey, they look like a white monkey to me,

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Speaker 14: how dare you mine?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 1: Let him Doctor Fox respond, Thank you, Linda, thanks your calling,

2005
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Speaker 1: doctor Fox. As you mentioned that you talked about, you know,

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Speaker 1: people of color. She she wants, she doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: refer to as black.

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Speaker 11: Using the phrase people of color, it sounds perhaps more inclusive,

2009
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Speaker 11: But I'm just saying that black as a political category,

2010
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Speaker 11: it's also inclusive if you see it as such. According

2011
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Speaker 11: to the really almost constitution before it was amended, you know,

2012
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Speaker 11: the one drop of African blood makes you a black

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Speaker 11: person as a political category, and we don't need to

2014
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Speaker 11: shy away from that. What she was describing in part

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Speaker 11: of what the late great doctor Francis Chris Welsing in

2016
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Speaker 11: her uh color confrontation theory has stated, So, yeah, there

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Speaker 11: is the envy, but that's that's not really the issue

2018
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Speaker 11: as much as to what they've done with their envy,

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Speaker 11: which is basically create a system of oppression to I

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Speaker 11: guess maybe play satisfy their envy, to put themselves on

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Speaker 11: a pedestal, that same pedestal that perhaps their mind early

2022
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Speaker 11: on had placed people of color on. So I mean,

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Speaker 11: that's what we're trying to deal with and Unfortunately, the

2024
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Speaker 11: the mechanisms and stratagems that they use to comfort themselves

2025
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Speaker 11: for perhaps being lacking melanin or express melanin in their

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Speaker 11: skin is what we have to deal with today. Those

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Speaker 11: in place that they put in place, uh to perhaps

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Speaker 11: comfort themselves. Uh, we're suffering under and we have to

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Speaker 11: take a very clear look at how we are suffering

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Speaker 11: under their systems, don't matter what their motivation may have

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Speaker 11: been or still, is an envy or something else?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the question I was going to ask, is

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Speaker 1: it envy? Did they envious? Because if you're asking if

2034
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Speaker 1: you saw the white person, now we ask him if

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Speaker 1: he'd rather be a black person, he's gonna say hell.

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Speaker 11: No, you know, yeah, But that's of the systems that

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Speaker 11: they have put. As you know, James Baldwin said that

2038
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Speaker 11: they have claim that we're inferior, or they've claimed superiority

2039
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Speaker 11: for themselves, and then they created a reality, a reality that,

2040
02:14:40,120 --> 02:14:43,600
Speaker 11: as he said, force and weapons uh have served to

2041
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Speaker 11: translate their dictum or proclamation of black inferiority into fact

2042
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Speaker 11: so that the allegedly inferior black persons are actually made

2043
02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:03,080
Speaker 11: so so you look at our housing and other kinds

2044
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Speaker 11: of violence that they've done to us, social violence. It

2045
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Speaker 11: seems as if, well, maybe Black people because of our

2046
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Speaker 11: lack of thriving our inferior. So yeah, they've put all

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Speaker 11: kinds of systems, according to doctor Wilson, based on their envy.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 11: But unfortunately, we've allowed their systems to be established, and

2050
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Speaker 11: we've fallen under that pressure. Uh. And that's what we

2051
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:45,080
Speaker 11: have to realize, uh in reclaiming our African minds themselves

2052
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Speaker 11: through this process that I've you know, uh uh delineated

2053
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Speaker 11: in my workbook.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, motivation.

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Speaker 11: Envy is part of their motivation.

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Speaker 1: But doctor Fox, he's talking about reclaiming our African mind

2057
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Speaker 1: many of us don't know what that mind is because

2058
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,880
Speaker 1: our minds have been been whitewashed. So the only, uh,

2059
02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:12,200
Speaker 1: the only example of a mind, if you will, or

2060
02:16:12,280 --> 02:16:16,080
Speaker 1: any example, is a white person. How do we how

2061
02:16:16,120 --> 02:16:18,000
Speaker 1: do we claim something we don't know?

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Speaker 11: Well, you have to, and there are hordes of black

2063
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:26,800
Speaker 11: people well out here in the world trying to counter that.

2064
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Speaker 11: By gain I mean the truthful history. Books upon books

2065
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:38,960
Speaker 11: upon books have been written about our African heritage. It

2066
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:45,360
Speaker 11: is up to us to spread that knowledge. Unfortunately, you know,

2067
02:16:45,480 --> 02:16:48,400
Speaker 11: we're too busy with other things, to busy worship and

2068
02:16:48,480 --> 02:16:52,960
Speaker 11: white to realize that we have our own perspective to

2069
02:16:53,080 --> 02:16:56,760
Speaker 11: act up by our own history, and we ought to

2070
02:16:56,840 --> 02:17:01,879
Speaker 11: be about the business of educating all of our people

2071
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:08,480
Speaker 11: about that history and about that separate and different perspective

2072
02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:12,200
Speaker 11: on life. But we're not doing that once again. And

2073
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Speaker 11: that's why I wrote this workbook to try to get

2074
02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:19,800
Speaker 11: us to realize that and to start, you know, doing

2075
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:24,199
Speaker 11: those things that would protect learning, those things that would

2076
02:17:24,280 --> 02:17:30,560
Speaker 11: protect our minds from this assault uh that you know,

2077
02:17:30,720 --> 02:17:35,440
Speaker 11: we're constantly having to endure about, you know, our worth

2078
02:17:36,200 --> 02:17:39,880
Speaker 11: as a people, not as beasts, not as monkeys or

2079
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:45,160
Speaker 11: gorillas or anything else, but as a people with just

2080
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:52,280
Speaker 11: as much right to you know, control our lives as

2081
02:17:52,360 --> 02:17:53,120
Speaker 11: any other people.

2082
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Speaker 1: All right, hold up, though, right there, we got to

2083
02:17:55,240 --> 02:17:59,400
Speaker 1: step aside. Sour stations can identify themselves down the line

2084
02:17:59,400 --> 02:18:01,680
Speaker 1: and the path in Washington, DC. Wants to join the

2085
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:04,160
Speaker 1: Conversation family, you can do the same. Just reach out

2086
02:18:04,200 --> 02:18:06,960
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

2087
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,360
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls. Next

2088
02:18:09,600 --> 02:18:11,840
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on

2089
02:18:11,959 --> 02:18:14,640
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning with our guest, the clinical psychologist, doctor

2090
02:18:14,720 --> 02:18:16,760
Speaker 1: jerome E. Fox, you on how to reach us eight

2091
02:18:16,920 --> 02:18:19,760
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy sixth I

2092
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Speaker 1: mentioned before the break, the panther calling this from Washington, DC,

2093
02:18:22,879 --> 02:18:25,520
Speaker 1: has a question for doctor Fox is online. Three grand rising,

2094
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Speaker 1: mister Panther, your question for doctor.

2095
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Speaker 4: Fox grand arrives until you call Nelson, then your distinguished

2096
02:18:34,120 --> 02:18:36,600
Speaker 4: guests of doctor Fox. And first of all, I want

2097
02:18:36,640 --> 02:18:40,199
Speaker 4: to thank doctor Fox for his efforts and this truth

2098
02:18:40,320 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 4: and his guest effort to wake black people up. And

2099
02:18:47,480 --> 02:18:50,360
Speaker 4: I'm grateful and all of us should be grateful for

2100
02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:53,720
Speaker 4: his work. And I would like to say this. I

2101
02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:57,840
Speaker 4: believe that these white folks are really after our youth

2102
02:18:57,959 --> 02:19:00,760
Speaker 4: now because they don't send us through the me and

2103
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:03,120
Speaker 4: they think they got a lot of us. But I

2104
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:07,160
Speaker 4: think everybody should get that book by doctor Fox, Addicted

2105
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:10,480
Speaker 4: to White and pass it on to their children because

2106
02:19:11,480 --> 02:19:13,800
Speaker 4: we really need that. And I want to say this.

2107
02:19:14,480 --> 02:19:18,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw this question out there to the audience

2108
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Speaker 4: to everybody.

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Speaker 9: Do you believe that?

2110
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:24,160
Speaker 4: And I believe the only way that we ever gonna

2111
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:28,880
Speaker 4: really be free is unite organized and just take these

2112
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:32,120
Speaker 4: whities out or just show them that we're not taking

2113
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:35,880
Speaker 4: it no more, because they've been doing this since we've

2114
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:38,920
Speaker 4: been here in slavery, and I don't think they had

2115
02:19:39,080 --> 02:19:43,480
Speaker 4: no intentions whatsoever to let their foot off our neck.

2116
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:47,720
Speaker 4: It's gonna take people like doctor Fox and waking people

2117
02:19:47,800 --> 02:19:51,480
Speaker 4: up like us to just get these people off our back.

2118
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Speaker 15: It's on us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, love y'all, God bless y'all, and keep up

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Speaker 4: the good work.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, thank you for the com meant And of

2122
02:20:01,240 --> 02:20:08,320
Speaker 11: course I totally agree. I was trying to find a

2123
02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:17,480
Speaker 11: quote I can't seem to find it from a prominent

2124
02:20:19,160 --> 02:20:24,640
Speaker 11: person from the past. But yeah, I mean, clearly, in

2125
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:30,480
Speaker 11: my mind at least, the first step to our pursuing

2126
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:36,720
Speaker 11: true and permanent liberal liberation from uh uh these monsters

2127
02:20:38,400 --> 02:20:45,160
Speaker 11: is to get our minds in the proper shape. We

2128
02:20:45,320 --> 02:20:54,320
Speaker 11: can't really organize effectively until we really realized that there's

2129
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Speaker 11: something to organize for and around. Uh So, you know,

2130
02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:03,520
Speaker 11: clearly the first step, and we keep ignoring this first

2131
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:07,360
Speaker 11: step is to get our brains in the right shape

2132
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:12,160
Speaker 11: with they're two contaminated by this white world view. For

2133
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Speaker 11: us to move together, unified in a unified response to

2134
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Speaker 11: the enemies of the black community. Who was it? I

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Speaker 11: think I did, I thought I had. You're right, it

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Speaker 11: was Zora Neil Hurston who in a letter I think

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Speaker 11: to her fellow writer County Colin, during that Harlem Renaissance

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Speaker 11: age that she wrote, either we must do something about

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Speaker 11: it they were discussing the lynchings that were going on

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Speaker 11: and during that time in the nineteen forties. Either we

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02:22:02,879 --> 02:22:05,920
Speaker 11: must do something about it and that the white man

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Speaker 11: will understand and respect or shut up. No winer ever

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Speaker 11: got any respect or relief. And I think we need

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Speaker 11: to keep that in mind. We love the wine, I.

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Speaker 1: Love the wind for after the top. Doctor Fox got

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Speaker 1: a two question for a Twitter, says Grant Rise. You

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02:22:26,600 --> 02:22:29,000
Speaker 1: know I always get excited when your guest comes on.

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Speaker 1: Racism has caused a lot of damage to black people.

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Speaker 1: Those who have sill hasn't been hurt psychologically, can't even

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Speaker 1: work because of it. They should file for Social Security disability.

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Speaker 1: Goes on to say, I don't understand why this is

2152
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Speaker 1: a type of treatment of people systematically doesn't fall on

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Speaker 1: the major health crisis. Ask doctor Fox what does he

2154
02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:53,160
Speaker 1: think they get out of keeping it going on for

2155
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Speaker 1: years and years? The name of the name and calling

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02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:59,440
Speaker 1: oppression over it and covert attack. It never stops. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I await your answer.

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Speaker 11: Well here again, you know, we have to accept our

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Speaker 11: responsibility to create our own protective systems. As I say

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Speaker 11: right in the beginning of my book and the you

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Speaker 11: know introduction or whatever you know, we as an African

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02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:37,360
Speaker 11: people must focusus on freeing ourselves from white supremacy in

2163
02:23:37,600 --> 02:23:43,640
Speaker 11: all of its disguises or remain in great peril while

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02:23:43,720 --> 02:23:49,120
Speaker 11: we're lying on those saying people who hate us to

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Speaker 11: provide the basic necessities of like food, clothing, shelter, energy safety,

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Speaker 11: and healthcare and knowledge. We are totally dependent upon people

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Speaker 11: who have no uh qualms about expressing their hatred for us.

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Speaker 11: We are totally dependent on the saying people for our food, clothing, shelter,

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02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:23,720
Speaker 11: energy safety, and health care and knowledge. And yet we

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Speaker 11: sit around whining a bit they're not providing for us

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02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:35,160
Speaker 11: of the system that they have created, not providing for us.

2172
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:40,280
Speaker 11: But once again, as Zora Neil Hughes Herston said that there,

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Speaker 11: we must do something about that. And I say the

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Speaker 11: beginning with detoxifying from their value system which supports their systems.

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Speaker 11: Doing something about it. UH that the that our wide

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Speaker 11: oppressors will understand and respect or shut up. No whiner

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Speaker 11: ever got any respect or relief. These people have made

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Speaker 11: it very clear that they're not giving us their privilege,

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Speaker 11: so either we do something about it. And as Malcolm xIC,

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Speaker 11: by any means necessary, we have limited ourselves to this

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Speaker 11: whole idea of nonviolent whatever. And yes, you always begin

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Speaker 11: with that, but in truth, we cannot limit ourselves to

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Speaker 11: any particular strategy. And it's just a strategy. It should

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Speaker 11: not be. It's not really principled or whatever. People will

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Speaker 11: claim that it's a principled approach. It's nothing but a strategy,

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Speaker 11: and we cannot limit our strategies to just one thing. Uh,

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02:25:56,760 --> 02:26:00,600
Speaker 11: it's by any means necessary, but we won't even see

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Speaker 11: that until we clear our heads of this addiction to

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Speaker 11: our wide oppressors.

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Speaker 1: I got asked this question though, and it's parcifically just

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Speaker 1: to have the conversation about they hate us? Do they

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Speaker 1: really know that they hate us? Is it some sort

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Speaker 1: of in a you know, response to us whatever we do.

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Speaker 1: Do they perceive it this hate? Do they really understand

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Speaker 1: what hate?

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Speaker 11: They're born into a system which is uh founded on

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Speaker 11: hate and thoroughly infused with hate in order to maintain

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Speaker 11: that system. So it's not that they're born you know,

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Speaker 11: as hateful people. Uh some would say so, but I'm

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02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:52,640
Speaker 11: not so uncertain of that. But they're certainly born into

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Speaker 11: an environment, which they one that teaches them hate because

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Speaker 11: it has to in order to maintain itself. So they

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02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:09,600
Speaker 11: and whether they realize it or not, Uh, that system

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02:27:09,720 --> 02:27:14,320
Speaker 11: is so sophisticated that it gets into their psyche. Even

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02:27:14,360 --> 02:27:17,800
Speaker 11: I they have, you know, parents or whatever that claim

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02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:22,480
Speaker 11: not to be you know, racist or hateful people, everything

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02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:30,879
Speaker 11: around them bespeaks of, uh, the inferiority of everybody except

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Speaker 11: their white cells. And they get it in school, they

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Speaker 11: see it on TV, they see it on billboards. So

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Speaker 11: it's almost like their parents don't even have to teach

2211
02:27:42,440 --> 02:27:49,560
Speaker 11: them they hate because the system itself is so filled

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Speaker 11: with hate that it will teach them instead.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but that's my question, doctor Fosh. They do

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Speaker 1: they understand that because you know, you ask you st

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Speaker 1: the average white person. I'm not racist, I don't hate

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02:28:05,240 --> 02:28:08,040
Speaker 1: black people, but they understand what some of the things

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Speaker 1: they say.

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Speaker 11: And do is you don't think that they do. And

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02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:14,480
Speaker 11: that's why it is as it is up to us

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02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:18,200
Speaker 11: to continue to make it, to make an issue of

2221
02:28:18,320 --> 02:28:21,880
Speaker 11: it if we're aware, because we don't even unders and

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02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:27,200
Speaker 11: the extent of of of how this system has been

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Speaker 11: rigged to maintain, uh, this sense of inferiority. That that's

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Speaker 11: why I wrote once again this word workbook and laid

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02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:42,440
Speaker 11: out the values that we don't necessarily see until it's

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02:28:42,480 --> 02:28:49,640
Speaker 11: pointed out. Uh, we don't necessarily see ourselves as and

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Speaker 11: themselves as subscribe into the idea that everything black is

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02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:00,880
Speaker 11: bad or inferior and everything white it is good or

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02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:01,840
Speaker 11: are superior.

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Speaker 9: It's just so.

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Speaker 11: Um a part of our environment that it doesn't command

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02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:19,480
Speaker 11: our conscious kinds of of of of of attention. It's

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02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:24,760
Speaker 11: just so ingrained in the system that we don't see

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02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:30,840
Speaker 11: it until it's pointed out to us. And then likewise

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02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:36,200
Speaker 11: they don't see it sometimes, particularly those who claim white

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02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:39,200
Speaker 11: folk who claiming not to be you know, racist or whatever,

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02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:47,560
Speaker 11: they don't see how the system has um promotes racism,

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02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:52,200
Speaker 11: the same system that they have been drawn into supporting

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02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:56,840
Speaker 11: end uplifting, just as we have been drawn into in supporting.

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Speaker 11: That is said, I put put out these five you know,

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Speaker 11: white values, and I say that those that the these

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Speaker 11: values have become metaphysical and a and apist of logical

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02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:17,640
Speaker 11: commitments so commonplace that they rarely rise to the level

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Speaker 11: of explicit consideration or discussion. So that's the trick of

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02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:27,760
Speaker 11: it all to me. It's so common almost like air,

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02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:33,000
Speaker 11: that you're that you're not conscious of it, and therefore

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02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:38,560
Speaker 11: you don't confront it. You know, when you start pointing

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02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:45,600
Speaker 11: out all of the things that are wrong, uh in

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02:30:45,720 --> 02:30:49,520
Speaker 11: our environment with respect to promoting racism, people are shocked

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Speaker 11: even the idea of of these white U. U. How

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Speaker 11: can I say, uh, presentations of Jesus Christ or these

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Speaker 11: movies that are made this I think a recent one

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02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:11,119
Speaker 11: where are always the the the god in the movie

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Speaker 11: which is supposedly Jesus Christ, is always white. We don't

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Speaker 11: realize the effect that that has on the on the

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Speaker 11: brain of both white and black people, that we are

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Speaker 11: not dieing. I mentioned this in my book as well,

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02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:31,880
Speaker 11: that we said somehow are not you know, we're the

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02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:41,080
Speaker 11: being considered it to being you know, uh, celestial angelic beings.

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Speaker 11: Uh but there. But once again, we're not aware of

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02:31:45,640 --> 02:31:50,600
Speaker 11: that because the sysism is so permeated with those kinds

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02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:54,360
Speaker 11: of images that we don't stop to question it. And

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02:31:54,600 --> 02:31:59,880
Speaker 11: so many other ideas. As I said, every idea that

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02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:03,280
Speaker 11: we seem to have has been given to us by

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Speaker 11: our wide oppressors.

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Speaker 7: And we.

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Speaker 11: Resist knowing that because maybe be out of pride. But

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02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:18,280
Speaker 11: whether we resisted or not, it's very easy to prove

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02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:24,080
Speaker 11: uh when you not analyze seeing how we UH talk

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02:32:24,400 --> 02:32:27,280
Speaker 11: and what we talk about. They select the topics and

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02:32:27,480 --> 02:32:31,520
Speaker 11: how we talk about those topics. This is the These

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02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:34,440
Speaker 11: are our ideas that have been given to us. We

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02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:37,280
Speaker 11: haven't thought a bit about these things on our own.

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Speaker 1: The question is what what do we do? And listen,

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02:32:41,920 --> 02:32:43,280
Speaker 1: we come up on a break and we come back

2276
02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:46,560
Speaker 1: because you always mentioned, how want you going deep on

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02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:49,240
Speaker 1: these five core white values that many of us are

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02:32:49,280 --> 02:32:52,840
Speaker 1: addicted to. And that addiction is not just for for

2279
02:32:52,959 --> 02:32:55,640
Speaker 1: black people, but it's an addiction that it's it's and

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02:32:55,760 --> 02:32:58,680
Speaker 1: it's global. Am I correct in saying that for allop

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02:32:59,080 --> 02:32:59,680
Speaker 1: and and and.

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Speaker 11: For white people both they're the ones that created the value,

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02:33:03,240 --> 02:33:07,680
Speaker 11: so of course they're addicted to it. And that's we

2284
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:11,960
Speaker 11: have to free ourselves from these values. If we're ever

2285
02:33:12,480 --> 02:33:19,560
Speaker 11: going to be literally free, we can't join in in

2286
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:24,480
Speaker 11: the league with our oppressor promoting these kinds of values

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02:33:24,840 --> 02:33:27,800
Speaker 11: that support their oppressive system.

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02:33:28,959 --> 02:33:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take the bat when we come back. Explain

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02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:33,000
Speaker 1: what you know before you go into that though, that's

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02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:34,440
Speaker 1: what people want to talk to you. But I think

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02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:36,920
Speaker 1: what many of our people don't know what these five

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02:33:37,040 --> 02:33:39,240
Speaker 1: core white values are and if you can break that

2293
02:33:39,320 --> 02:33:41,760
Speaker 1: down for as appreciated family, YouTube can get in on

2294
02:33:41,879 --> 02:33:45,320
Speaker 1: this conversation. I'm an open minded here with our guest

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Speaker 1: doctor Jermy Foster, is a clinical psichologists. Book is the

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Speaker 1: best selling. It's a workbook. Actually it's called Addicted to

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02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:54,240
Speaker 1: White the Oppressed, in League with the Oppressor and a

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02:33:54,360 --> 02:33:56,720
Speaker 1: title I like best that a shame based alliance. What

2299
02:33:56,800 --> 02:33:58,960
Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight hundred

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02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:01,879
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

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02:34:01,879 --> 02:34:04,840
Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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02:34:04,840 --> 02:34:06,720
Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Thursday morning and twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes after the top day with our guest doctor Jeremy Fox.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned he's a clinical psychologist and he's a book,

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02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:14,680
Speaker 1: the best selling book. It's a work book, Addicted to White,

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02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:16,879
Speaker 1: the Old Pressed, in League with the Oppress, a shame

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02:34:16,959 --> 02:34:19,320
Speaker 1: based alliance. Got some folks want to speak with doctor

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02:34:19,320 --> 02:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Foxer questions for him. Let's go Professor Maryland. Miss Richardson's

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02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:25,000
Speaker 1: waiting for us. He's online for Miss Richardson. Your question

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02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:26,000
Speaker 1: for doctor Fox.

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02:34:28,120 --> 02:34:31,440
Speaker 8: Yes, grand rise and yes, I do a Carl with

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02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:33,840
Speaker 8: and I'll just have three quick ones and then I'll

2313
02:34:33,879 --> 02:34:35,520
Speaker 8: get all. I'll just give him the questions. I won't

2314
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:38,160
Speaker 8: say no more the three fifth clause. What do you

2315
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:43,600
Speaker 8: feel about that, doctor Jerome Fox, because that thing is

2316
02:34:43,640 --> 02:34:46,680
Speaker 8: still in the Constitution. And I think this. You know,

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02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:49,840
Speaker 8: this man in the White House is psychotic. That's my belief.

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02:34:50,440 --> 02:34:54,600
Speaker 8: You know he's psychotic because he came on staying, Oh,

2319
02:34:54,879 --> 02:34:59,600
Speaker 8: the wonderful Black History Month, he said, But yet he

2320
02:34:59,720 --> 02:35:02,840
Speaker 8: called the Obamas, you know, the eights and things. So

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02:35:02,959 --> 02:35:04,320
Speaker 8: the man is like he's sick.

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02:35:05,320 --> 02:35:06,760
Speaker 1: Right, give us you the two questions.

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Speaker 8: Give the two questions, sir, I just had just one

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Speaker 8: more questions about the Spanish. I agree with you wholeheartedly,

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02:35:15,600 --> 02:35:19,000
Speaker 8: you know, I mean, they're economic. Doctor Sharpley was on

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02:35:19,240 --> 02:35:21,880
Speaker 8: Carls and you said, and many other scholars come on

2327
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:25,200
Speaker 8: Carl's show and they say the same thing about we

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02:35:25,360 --> 02:35:28,960
Speaker 8: are the only group that has to bring along the

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02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:34,160
Speaker 8: Spanish at every move economically economically. That's why we're at

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02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:37,120
Speaker 8: the bottom, because we keep bringing in the Spanish thinking

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02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:40,400
Speaker 8: that they're not achieving, but they have three and four

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02:35:40,520 --> 02:35:44,320
Speaker 8: times the businesses of flags, according to doctor Claude Anderson.

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Speaker 8: All right, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: All right, doctor Fox, first question three fifth.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we do.

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02:35:54,360 --> 02:36:00,520
Speaker 11: Find it difficult code to just concentrate on ourselves because

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02:36:01,280 --> 02:36:07,880
Speaker 11: throughout history, uh, concentrating on ours and the uplift of

2338
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:17,200
Speaker 11: our community has been punished by our adversaries. So when

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02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:21,320
Speaker 11: we try to uplift ourselves, we feel that we have

2340
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:28,000
Speaker 11: a better chance of doing that if we join forces

2341
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:32,720
Speaker 11: uh with other people. I think that's a wrong strategy,

2342
02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:37,400
Speaker 11: but nonetheless I guess you can understand it. But here

2343
02:36:37,440 --> 02:36:44,720
Speaker 11: again we have to stop just whining and describing our

2344
02:36:44,840 --> 02:36:51,400
Speaker 11: problem and move towards solving the problem. We can talk

2345
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:58,560
Speaker 11: for about the sicker members of the white of our

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Speaker 11: white enemies, or the sil for members of ourselves, uh,

2347
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Speaker 11: but that doesn't really solve the problem. We have to

2348
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Speaker 11: take steps to liberate ourselves. And once again, the first

2349
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:14,760
Speaker 11: step is to go through a kind of mental boot

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Speaker 11: camp in order to prepare our minds. Is to employ

2351
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Speaker 11: whatever tool or weapon that we have available to us

2352
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:36,480
Speaker 11: in this battle for UH for liberation. But that's where

2353
02:37:36,520 --> 02:37:38,680
Speaker 11: our focus needs to be. I didn't want to make

2354
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Speaker 11: a brief kind about the public service announcement that we

2355
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Speaker 11: just heard from Kathy Hughes when she was talking about

2356
02:37:51,480 --> 02:37:56,040
Speaker 11: love and February being the month of love. But you

2357
02:37:56,160 --> 02:38:02,599
Speaker 11: can't really have a loving relationship unless there is reciprocity.

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Speaker 11: It's very interesting that our people don't see those kinds

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Speaker 11: of truths until they're in the same situation that UH

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Speaker 11: we as an oppressed people are. The Canadian Prime Minister

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Speaker 11: Mark Tranny at the two twenty this year, the twenty

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Speaker 11: twenty six UH Davos Conference in Switzerland, he he said,

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Speaker 11: and I guess response to UH Trump trying to take

2364
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Speaker 11: over Greenland and all of Trump's antics, Uh, he made

2365
02:38:46,920 --> 02:38:53,520
Speaker 11: the comment, you cannot live within the lie of mutual

2366
02:38:53,720 --> 02:39:02,439
Speaker 11: benefits through integration when integration becomes the source of your subordination.

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Speaker 11: And I thought, you know, isn't it strange hearing a

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Speaker 11: white person make that statement. All of a sudden, they

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Speaker 11: recognize when they can't get along with one of their own,

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Speaker 11: that being the crazy years. UH Trump is psychologically disturbed.

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Speaker 14: UH.

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Speaker 11: It's called a malignant narcissist, which is just as as

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Speaker 11: disruptive uh to a person's life as schizophrenia. Unfortunately, with

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02:39:35,000 --> 02:39:38,960
Speaker 11: these character disorders, they can do also a lot of

2375
02:39:39,080 --> 02:39:45,120
Speaker 11: damage to other people. But soon as a this white

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02:39:45,640 --> 02:39:52,360
Speaker 11: Canadian Prime minister has to deal with the efforts to

2377
02:39:52,840 --> 02:39:59,840
Speaker 11: oppress and and repress you know, other white people, all

2378
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:04,160
Speaker 11: of sudden they can see the truth about you know,

2379
02:40:04,800 --> 02:40:10,920
Speaker 11: being and relationship with these monsters. That once again, and

2380
02:40:11,080 --> 02:40:15,600
Speaker 11: as he said, you cannot live within the lie of

2381
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:23,440
Speaker 11: mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes the source of

2382
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:28,600
Speaker 11: your subordination. We need to take that message to heart,

2383
02:40:29,200 --> 02:40:35,040
Speaker 11: uh and understand and that when we separate intellectually and

2384
02:40:35,200 --> 02:40:42,200
Speaker 11: perhaps he even physisically from our oppressor, that's exactly what

2385
02:40:42,520 --> 02:40:46,360
Speaker 11: is required in order to get our act together to

2386
02:40:46,480 --> 02:40:51,000
Speaker 11: the point where we can confront ouries in any kind

2387
02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:54,879
Speaker 11: of war, be it psychological or physical.

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Speaker 9: And when.

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Speaker 1: A top of that, with doctor Jeromy Fox Alan's wedding

2390
02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:05,879
Speaker 1: for us in San Diego, he's online too, Grand Rising Alan.

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Speaker 1: Your question or comment for doctor.

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Speaker 12: Fox, How y'all doing nice to hear from y'all. Listen,

2393
02:41:12,440 --> 02:41:14,240
Speaker 12: you know, somebody have a really a common more than

2394
02:41:14,280 --> 02:41:17,680
Speaker 12: the question and you know, I just want to say

2395
02:41:17,720 --> 02:41:20,800
Speaker 12: this right quick. The real cause of a lot of

2396
02:41:20,800 --> 02:41:23,920
Speaker 12: the stuff that the racism in this country right, it

2397
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:28,160
Speaker 12: stems from, you know, slavery because back then, like you

2398
02:41:28,200 --> 02:41:31,080
Speaker 12: had a lot of false religions that were teaching people

2399
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Speaker 12: that black people are the cursed race, you see, and

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02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:37,600
Speaker 12: that's where it kind of stems from. But you have

2401
02:41:37,720 --> 02:41:40,080
Speaker 12: some black people out there that are trying to You

2402
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:42,600
Speaker 12: have some black people back in eighteen hundreds that were

2403
02:41:42,640 --> 02:41:45,640
Speaker 12: trying to join the kul Klutch Klan and everything. Even

2404
02:41:45,720 --> 02:41:49,200
Speaker 12: up to now, you have black people that are trying

2405
02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:51,320
Speaker 12: to go along with Trump like a Snoop Dogg and

2406
02:41:51,480 --> 02:41:54,680
Speaker 12: Ice and Ice Cube and everybody. But see, there's another

2407
02:41:55,200 --> 02:41:59,800
Speaker 12: It's an old saying though. It says that when if

2408
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:02,160
Speaker 12: you want to know, to say, if you want to

2409
02:42:03,720 --> 02:42:06,120
Speaker 12: some people will rather run alongside the devil than the

2410
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:09,959
Speaker 12: being is path, you see. And that's what you're seeing

2411
02:42:10,080 --> 02:42:12,200
Speaker 12: right now with somebody.

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02:42:12,440 --> 02:42:16,680
Speaker 11: But the question is not, once again we get tracked

2413
02:42:16,800 --> 02:42:23,600
Speaker 11: into describing the problem. The real issue is, Okay, what

2414
02:42:23,720 --> 02:42:28,120
Speaker 11: do you do about that? If it's crazy black people

2415
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:35,720
Speaker 11: are crazy, white fo misguided, then how do we uh

2416
02:42:36,320 --> 02:42:43,760
Speaker 11: overcome that that mental state? That's really the question.

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02:42:46,040 --> 02:42:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're saying we solution to write what you

2418
02:42:50,400 --> 02:42:54,599
Speaker 1: just described. You're saying we should focus on the solution.

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02:42:54,600 --> 02:42:56,560
Speaker 11: And focus on the solution.

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02:42:57,240 --> 02:42:57,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

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02:42:57,720 --> 02:43:01,440
Speaker 11: We've been focused on describing the problem them forever and

2422
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:05,320
Speaker 11: where has that gotten us? As I just read through

2423
02:43:05,400 --> 02:43:12,440
Speaker 11: a quote from uh a Zori Neelle Hurston whining with

2424
02:43:12,879 --> 02:43:18,480
Speaker 11: has never sought off any problem. Uh, we have to

2425
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:22,080
Speaker 11: focus and if we feel we can, we have no

2426
02:43:22,240 --> 02:43:25,320
Speaker 11: solution for the problem, then just shut up.

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02:43:27,000 --> 02:43:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know that's one thing we stress on this

2428
02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:32,400
Speaker 1: program too, Dotter Fox Solutions because we all know what

2429
02:43:32,480 --> 02:43:34,800
Speaker 1: our problems are. We know what our problems are, but

2430
02:43:34,959 --> 02:43:38,000
Speaker 1: we we when we come short, and I think, how

2431
02:43:38,040 --> 02:43:39,279
Speaker 1: do we solve those problems?

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02:43:40,120 --> 02:43:42,920
Speaker 11: Just talking about do we even want to solve them?

2433
02:43:43,640 --> 02:43:48,920
Speaker 11: You know, my family has used to say a black

2434
02:43:48,959 --> 02:43:52,720
Speaker 11: folk and they didn't always use that term. Uh can

2435
02:43:52,879 --> 02:43:58,160
Speaker 11: get used to anything, including hanging if we hang long enough.

2436
02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:02,080
Speaker 11: And I just wonder if and I know it's just

2437
02:44:02,280 --> 02:44:06,640
Speaker 11: part of human nature to be adaptive, So I just

2438
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:11,160
Speaker 11: wonder if we're just so adapted to our own oppression

2439
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:18,040
Speaker 11: that we have been in, uh, you know, conditioned to

2440
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:22,360
Speaker 11: not even want anything better. At this point, or as

2441
02:44:22,440 --> 02:44:26,640
Speaker 11: I said earlier, we have learn us the ability to

2442
02:44:26,879 --> 02:44:33,439
Speaker 11: even imagine something different than what we are currently experiencing

2443
02:44:34,280 --> 02:44:40,040
Speaker 11: under the duress of these white monsters. So you know,

2444
02:44:40,520 --> 02:44:44,400
Speaker 11: at some point we have to begin to uh help

2445
02:44:44,480 --> 02:44:49,320
Speaker 11: our people dream better. We always talk about the dream, uh,

2446
02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:54,320
Speaker 11: but maybe our dreamings need to be much larger than

2447
02:44:54,440 --> 02:44:59,840
Speaker 11: what they've ever been. Not the dream of integration, said

2448
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:03,160
Speaker 11: I just you know the quote from Prime Minister at Carney,

2449
02:45:03,800 --> 02:45:10,039
Speaker 11: But there the dream of real, true independence and liberation.

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02:45:11,800 --> 02:45:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor Wilson pointed out that we're happy where we are.

2451
02:45:16,080 --> 02:45:19,040
Speaker 1: We're just looking for a better or more comfort instead

2452
02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:20,160
Speaker 1: of trying to make a change.

2453
02:45:20,560 --> 02:45:23,000
Speaker 11: But that's a part of that world view that we

2454
02:45:23,160 --> 02:45:26,920
Speaker 11: have adopted, and it's toru us I say in the

2455
02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:32,080
Speaker 11: book just naturally all human beings uh have basically three

2456
02:45:32,200 --> 02:45:39,960
Speaker 11: motivations uh A avoid pain, b seek pleasure and see

2457
02:45:40,600 --> 02:45:44,920
Speaker 11: uh conserve energy or what we would call just be lazy.

2458
02:45:45,480 --> 02:45:50,200
Speaker 11: So we have those natural instincts to overcome in order

2459
02:45:50,840 --> 02:45:55,280
Speaker 11: to know, get our butts off the couch and get

2460
02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:59,640
Speaker 11: more active and to secure our liberation. And then we

2461
02:45:59,800 --> 02:46:08,879
Speaker 11: have all the uh specific opposition that our oppressors are

2462
02:46:09,280 --> 02:46:13,200
Speaker 11: offered to our you know, desire to be.

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Speaker 7: Free.

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02:46:15,840 --> 02:46:20,320
Speaker 11: So we're we're fighting a lot internal instincts that would

2465
02:46:20,400 --> 02:46:27,040
Speaker 11: keep us satisfied as well as actively an active opponent

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02:46:27,640 --> 02:46:31,120
Speaker 11: to our true liberation and freedom.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty eight away from the top of that

2468
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Speaker 1: with doctor Jeromy Fox out of Philadelphia. Glau's joining the

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02:46:37,160 --> 02:46:40,040
Speaker 1: conversation at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy sixth glaud your question for doctor Fox.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, Grant rising everybody, Doctor Fox, if we can put

2472
02:46:48,959 --> 02:46:51,680
Speaker 19: the genie back in the box. And I think we

2473
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:55,360
Speaker 19: started off. I know my my elderly present, and I

2474
02:46:55,480 --> 02:46:57,400
Speaker 19: know my history from the beginning all the ways to

2475
02:46:57,480 --> 02:47:01,119
Speaker 19: the end when it first started. If we we hadn't

2476
02:47:01,440 --> 02:47:04,840
Speaker 19: left the motherland and went all over the different countries

2477
02:47:05,480 --> 02:47:08,320
Speaker 19: and have all these different shades and different colors and

2478
02:47:08,400 --> 02:47:11,800
Speaker 19: different people, we wouldn't have each problem. But now we're

2479
02:47:11,840 --> 02:47:14,840
Speaker 19: dealing with a group of people that don't never had

2480
02:47:14,879 --> 02:47:17,080
Speaker 19: a country. They came from the mountains of the caves.

2481
02:47:17,640 --> 02:47:20,640
Speaker 19: So when you don't have anything, you're trying to trying

2482
02:47:20,720 --> 02:47:25,360
Speaker 19: to get a country, you know, on on but taking

2483
02:47:25,360 --> 02:47:28,560
Speaker 19: advantage of people. But it's unfortunately these people don't know

2484
02:47:28,680 --> 02:47:30,360
Speaker 19: how to love no about it because you know, we

2485
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:31,279
Speaker 19: love everybody.

2486
02:47:31,400 --> 02:47:31,880
Speaker 12: We tried to.

2487
02:47:31,959 --> 02:47:34,080
Speaker 19: It's but we went all over the world. But we

2488
02:47:34,120 --> 02:47:36,920
Speaker 19: can put that genie back in the box and start

2489
02:47:37,040 --> 02:47:40,000
Speaker 19: all over again. We wouldn't have had these problems. So

2490
02:47:40,480 --> 02:47:42,720
Speaker 19: me being an aurally person, this is why, you know,

2491
02:47:43,160 --> 02:47:45,640
Speaker 19: once I learned my history, I know where the deal

2492
02:47:45,800 --> 02:47:48,320
Speaker 19: is and I know where they're coming from. So I

2493
02:47:48,560 --> 02:47:51,240
Speaker 19: just go ahead and live my life and try to

2494
02:47:51,800 --> 02:47:55,000
Speaker 19: encourage young people to do their history so they know

2495
02:47:55,000 --> 02:47:56,840
Speaker 19: where they come from, so they can walk with their

2496
02:47:56,920 --> 02:47:58,000
Speaker 19: head and the chest up.

2497
02:47:58,840 --> 02:48:03,240
Speaker 11: But that's well, we can accomplish that in a more

2498
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:11,720
Speaker 11: organized way through through an activity like the one that

2499
02:48:12,160 --> 02:48:15,480
Speaker 11: I prescribe in my workbook. We have to be a

2500
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:24,120
Speaker 11: lot more, I'm gonna say, intentional about clearing our heads

2501
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:29,920
Speaker 11: of this white world view and filling our head. It's

2502
02:48:30,280 --> 02:48:36,160
Speaker 11: with correct perspective of on on on, you know, African

2503
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:42,880
Speaker 11: people and and how we should live in this world.

2504
02:48:43,400 --> 02:48:49,040
Speaker 11: So it's a double task of emptying of the foolishness

2505
02:48:49,640 --> 02:48:55,800
Speaker 11: and replacing that foolishness with truth and and strength. But

2506
02:48:56,080 --> 02:49:00,960
Speaker 11: we're not about that. We're just just about complaining. But

2507
02:49:01,240 --> 02:49:05,560
Speaker 11: I've tried to encourage through the process that I described

2508
02:49:05,640 --> 02:49:12,519
Speaker 11: in this work book, to begin that work of recapturing

2509
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:18,040
Speaker 11: our African brain, our African cells, and with the faith

2510
02:49:18,720 --> 02:49:21,439
Speaker 11: that if we do that, if we do our homework,

2511
02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:24,959
Speaker 11: if we do the work, we will see very clearly

2512
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:31,200
Speaker 11: what to do to free ourselves from this system, this

2513
02:49:31,320 --> 02:49:36,360
Speaker 11: wicked system, and we'll be able to do it almost instantly.

2514
02:49:36,959 --> 02:49:41,959
Speaker 11: But right now we're not able because we're hampered by

2515
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:46,840
Speaker 11: our cooperation with this system.

2516
02:49:48,480 --> 02:49:50,560
Speaker 1: And let me say this. I'll let you respond when

2517
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:52,080
Speaker 1: we get back from the break, because they're twenty four

2518
02:49:52,120 --> 02:49:54,320
Speaker 1: minutes away from the toffee. And it's something that Claude said.

2519
02:49:54,360 --> 02:49:59,119
Speaker 1: He says, we love everybody, We're in love with people.

2520
02:49:59,280 --> 02:50:00,920
Speaker 1: We just we just don't believe that they hate us

2521
02:50:00,959 --> 02:50:03,640
Speaker 1: so much. And I think it was sort of implying

2522
02:50:03,680 --> 02:50:06,560
Speaker 1: that this, this is a deficit for us, for us

2523
02:50:06,959 --> 02:50:09,360
Speaker 1: because of who we are, how we were created as

2524
02:50:09,360 --> 02:50:10,920
Speaker 1: a loving group of people.

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02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:14,199
Speaker 11: Believe that I don't believe that we love these people,

2526
02:50:14,760 --> 02:50:18,160
Speaker 11: and we love of everybody. But we can talk about

2527
02:50:18,959 --> 02:50:21,560
Speaker 11: on the other side of the break it. It has

2528
02:50:21,640 --> 02:50:22,240
Speaker 11: to be a break.

2529
02:50:23,400 --> 02:50:25,120
Speaker 1: I think, well, hold on right there, I'll let you

2530
02:50:25,160 --> 02:50:26,879
Speaker 1: break it. Down when we get back from the break. Yeah,

2531
02:50:26,879 --> 02:50:28,920
Speaker 1: we've got to take the break because that's interesting family,

2532
02:50:28,959 --> 02:50:32,440
Speaker 1: because you know, and even doctor Wilson said that we

2533
02:50:32,600 --> 02:50:35,480
Speaker 1: were and we talked about the Dallas shooting. You remember

2534
02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:38,880
Speaker 1: that where the family was sort of playgating the judge.

2535
02:50:39,080 --> 02:50:41,160
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts eight hundred four or five zero

2536
02:50:41,320 --> 02:50:43,440
Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six. We've got to step aside being

2537
02:50:43,520 --> 02:50:45,160
Speaker 1: back in a few minutes ago with doctor Fox and

2538
02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:47,600
Speaker 1: your phone calls right here eight hundred four or five

2539
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:51,720
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six, and grand Rising family, thanks

2540
02:50:51,760 --> 02:50:53,720
Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Thursday morning, and nineteen

2541
02:50:53,720 --> 02:50:55,360
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of that with our guest.

2542
02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:58,880
Speaker 1: He's a clinical psychoscost out of Philadelphia's name is Jerome Fox,

2543
02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:01,280
Speaker 1: and he's got his best selling book. It's a work book.

2544
02:51:01,320 --> 02:51:02,680
Speaker 1: By the way, when you pick up this book, it's

2545
02:51:02,680 --> 02:51:05,120
Speaker 1: a work book. It's called Addicted to White the Oppressed

2546
02:51:05,160 --> 02:51:08,360
Speaker 1: in League with the Oppressor, a shame based alliance. He

2547
02:51:08,400 --> 02:51:10,640
Speaker 1: says there are five core white values and many of

2548
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:12,520
Speaker 1: us are addicted to Before he leaves, he's going to

2549
02:51:12,600 --> 02:51:15,840
Speaker 1: tell us what these those five white white core values

2550
02:51:15,879 --> 02:51:17,959
Speaker 1: are and how we can and he has the anecdote

2551
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:20,240
Speaker 1: for it. But before we left the Doctor Foxy, we're

2552
02:51:20,280 --> 02:51:22,760
Speaker 1: talking about the fact that some states and illness for us,

2553
02:51:22,800 --> 02:51:25,400
Speaker 1: we love, we're in love with our oppressors. I wanted

2554
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:27,400
Speaker 1: to address that well.

2555
02:51:27,440 --> 02:51:32,520
Speaker 11: I have a different perspective. First of all, love but

2556
02:51:32,840 --> 02:51:40,720
Speaker 11: by its very nature, is reciprocal. You know, in order

2557
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:46,200
Speaker 11: to maintain and love, the energy has to be passed

2558
02:51:47,280 --> 02:51:54,360
Speaker 11: both ways between two entities. It's not if you're doing

2559
02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:58,039
Speaker 11: all the loving. Just as going back to what Kathy

2560
02:51:58,160 --> 02:52:03,760
Speaker 11: Hughes just said, it has to be reciprocity in order

2561
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:09,560
Speaker 11: for even be defined as love. Here again, I'm encouraging

2562
02:52:10,240 --> 02:52:15,400
Speaker 11: our people to use our agency to redefine all of

2563
02:52:15,480 --> 02:52:21,480
Speaker 11: these words and concepts that we've been given from you know,

2564
02:52:22,040 --> 02:52:25,160
Speaker 11: day one of our lives. Let's take a look at

2565
02:52:26,480 --> 02:52:31,760
Speaker 11: let's review everything that we've been taught. So this bit

2566
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:36,920
Speaker 11: about love, it's not not love if it's not reciprocal,

2567
02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:40,880
Speaker 11: just by definition, and we have the ability and the

2568
02:52:41,000 --> 02:52:45,720
Speaker 11: right to defining these concepts for ourselves. Uh, when you

2569
02:52:45,800 --> 02:52:49,240
Speaker 11: get the book for people who are listening, you will

2570
02:52:49,320 --> 02:52:56,160
Speaker 11: see that I redefine power a very important concept. It's

2571
02:52:56,400 --> 02:53:01,320
Speaker 11: it's intrapsychic it's it's not interpersonal. Nobody has power over you.

2572
02:53:02,160 --> 02:53:05,800
Speaker 11: They do have authority, which is different from power. But

2573
02:53:05,959 --> 02:53:11,080
Speaker 11: here again let's really take another look at our definition

2574
02:53:11,440 --> 02:53:16,520
Speaker 11: of love. Love by definition is reciprocal. It is not

2575
02:53:17,120 --> 02:53:23,520
Speaker 11: a one way street. So that is the backdrop this

2576
02:53:23,640 --> 02:53:27,200
Speaker 11: whole idea that we just have so much love for

2577
02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:31,200
Speaker 11: these people. I say also on page thirty five in

2578
02:53:31,360 --> 02:53:34,240
Speaker 11: the workbook, I redefine slave.

2579
02:53:34,840 --> 02:53:35,880
Speaker 9: What a slave is.

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02:53:36,520 --> 02:53:42,160
Speaker 11: A slave is one whose basic affects or emotions are

2581
02:53:42,360 --> 02:53:49,400
Speaker 11: restricted to shame and fear. Collectively, we as a people,

2582
02:53:49,600 --> 02:53:56,200
Speaker 11: African people, and particularly African Americans, are the progeny of cowards,

2583
02:53:57,480 --> 02:54:02,680
Speaker 11: those who are rendered to this slave mentality in exchange

2584
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:09,959
Speaker 11: for physical, not spiritual, but physical survival only. Now, if

2585
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:13,680
Speaker 11: that is true, then all this talk about love, we

2586
02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:19,560
Speaker 11: have to ask ourselves who does that? Whose interest is

2587
02:54:19,760 --> 02:54:24,600
Speaker 11: really served by all this talk about love. It's not

2588
02:54:24,680 --> 02:54:33,400
Speaker 11: our pressors. They have, you know, designed a a belief

2589
02:54:33,480 --> 02:54:39,240
Speaker 11: system that tells us to love them. Basically mean it,

2590
02:54:39,480 --> 02:54:42,920
Speaker 11: don't hard arm them no matter what they do to us,

2591
02:54:43,480 --> 02:54:49,400
Speaker 11: don't harm them, which just keeps them alive. But the

2592
02:54:49,720 --> 02:54:54,640
Speaker 11: violence toward us is okay, that doesn't even make sense

2593
02:54:54,959 --> 02:55:01,280
Speaker 11: if you stop and considered reconsiderate. So no, this whole

2594
02:55:01,360 --> 02:55:05,920
Speaker 11: idea of us loving uh these these these evil people,

2595
02:55:05,959 --> 02:55:08,400
Speaker 11: well there is a way that at least the Christian

2596
02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:15,920
Speaker 11: doctrine gives uh that really love is the fine is

2597
02:55:16,040 --> 02:55:20,960
Speaker 11: defined in the Christian Doctor and as wishing salvation for

2598
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:26,320
Speaker 11: all these evil people. It doesn't mean tolerating their wickedness. Yes,

2599
02:55:26,520 --> 02:55:31,640
Speaker 11: we can wish that all these people were saved in quotes,

2600
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:36,119
Speaker 11: because they wouldn't be acting this way. But in the meantime,

2601
02:55:36,800 --> 02:55:43,200
Speaker 11: uh uh, where in many scripts are encouraged to defend

2602
02:55:44,040 --> 02:55:48,720
Speaker 11: against wickedness. Uh no, no matter where it's coming from.

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02:55:49,160 --> 02:55:53,120
Speaker 11: So love here here again, even in the Christian doctrine

2604
02:55:53,640 --> 02:55:59,200
Speaker 11: is just uh some fine behind wishing that these horrible

2605
02:55:59,640 --> 02:56:05,000
Speaker 11: monster we're saved. But once again, in the meantime we

2606
02:56:05,400 --> 02:56:07,720
Speaker 11: enough to defend ourselves against them.

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02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:08,360
Speaker 8: Uh.

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02:56:08,879 --> 02:56:11,840
Speaker 11: So this, this this whole bit about where where we

2609
02:56:12,040 --> 02:56:17,280
Speaker 11: just love everybody is really very much rooted and our

2610
02:56:19,080 --> 02:56:24,160
Speaker 11: faulty attempts to try to adapt to a hostile environment,

2611
02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:32,200
Speaker 11: whereby if we appear to be non threatening to our enemy,

2612
02:56:32,879 --> 02:56:36,920
Speaker 11: maybe our enemy will treat us so badly.

2613
02:56:38,720 --> 02:56:39,680
Speaker 20: But you know.

2614
02:56:41,920 --> 02:56:47,039
Speaker 11: There's evidence to the contrary. They just continue. As they say,

2615
02:56:47,280 --> 02:56:51,440
Speaker 11: when you give into a bully, they just continue bullying you.

2616
02:56:52,040 --> 02:56:55,560
Speaker 11: At some point you have to smack that hit that

2617
02:56:57,280 --> 02:57:00,440
Speaker 11: So this idea that we just love everybody, it's really

2618
02:57:00,879 --> 02:57:01,800
Speaker 11: a cover.

2619
02:57:03,000 --> 02:57:03,800
Speaker 9: For not real.

2620
02:57:04,080 --> 02:57:09,800
Speaker 11: I've seen the depth of our cowardice. It's a cover

2621
02:57:09,959 --> 02:57:10,720
Speaker 11: for cowardice.

2622
02:57:11,800 --> 02:57:13,600
Speaker 1: Got you hold thought right there? I got some folks.

2623
02:57:13,600 --> 02:57:15,600
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, Doctor Fox. Eight hundred

2624
02:57:15,640 --> 02:57:18,240
Speaker 1: and four or five yeero seventy eight SEMs his scot

2625
02:57:18,360 --> 02:57:22,520
Speaker 1: line three. Rashad is calling from Chicago at Grant Rising

2626
02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:25,480
Speaker 1: Brother shot your question of comment for doctor Fox.

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02:57:27,520 --> 02:57:28,080
Speaker 7: Good morning.

2628
02:57:28,400 --> 02:57:33,000
Speaker 20: I'm enjoying the conversation. I think that what is being

2629
02:57:33,120 --> 02:57:38,080
Speaker 20: talked about is true. I heard earlier the comment of

2630
02:57:39,320 --> 02:57:42,240
Speaker 20: we are complaining about a lot of things and we

2631
02:57:42,360 --> 02:57:43,520
Speaker 20: need solutions, and that.

2632
02:57:43,720 --> 02:57:45,440
Speaker 10: That is what really caught my attention.

2633
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:47,480
Speaker 20: A lot of things caught my attention that you're talking

2634
02:57:47,520 --> 02:57:51,320
Speaker 20: about with the gentlemen, and I just wanted to call

2635
02:57:51,440 --> 02:57:54,320
Speaker 20: in and say that I agree was being said. And

2636
02:57:55,040 --> 02:58:01,560
Speaker 20: I also wanted to also tell the community or you

2637
02:58:02,400 --> 02:58:06,600
Speaker 20: that I have solutions. I'm a young man and I've

2638
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:10,039
Speaker 20: been hearing these type of conversations basically my whole life

2639
02:58:10,120 --> 02:58:12,520
Speaker 20: and I've been studying in the museums and in real

2640
02:58:12,640 --> 02:58:15,640
Speaker 20: history books that's not given to us in school about

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02:58:15,720 --> 02:58:18,800
Speaker 20: some of the challenges that we faced in true history

2642
02:58:19,480 --> 02:58:23,760
Speaker 20: that are really not being discussed. Sometimes are being discussed,

2643
02:58:24,200 --> 02:58:27,560
Speaker 20: but after this discussion of the last sixty years, which

2644
02:58:27,680 --> 02:58:30,840
Speaker 20: is older than when I was on the planet, the

2645
02:58:30,959 --> 02:58:35,120
Speaker 20: discussion just keeps being discussed and solutions continue to not

2646
02:58:35,240 --> 02:58:38,760
Speaker 20: be offered. And I know that I have solutions because

2647
02:58:38,800 --> 02:58:41,920
Speaker 20: I've used them for my own life. I had to

2648
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:46,880
Speaker 20: re educate myself after graduating from university, even after grad school.

2649
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:49,800
Speaker 20: But the thing is, some people don't have the chance

2650
02:58:49,879 --> 02:58:51,600
Speaker 20: to do what I've been blessed to do with re

2651
02:58:51,800 --> 02:58:54,880
Speaker 20: educating myself because they have to go get money. I

2652
02:58:55,000 --> 02:58:59,280
Speaker 20: created my own businesses which were destroyed before I was

2653
02:58:59,360 --> 02:59:02,879
Speaker 20: born in history, and what I.

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02:59:02,959 --> 02:59:05,560
Speaker 1: Shot can make it short fust because we raised the

2655
02:59:05,600 --> 02:59:08,000
Speaker 1: clock and we got a bunch of folks questions.

2656
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:11,400
Speaker 20: So I just have solutions, and okay, if that's the interest,

2657
02:59:11,560 --> 02:59:14,400
Speaker 20: then I have plenty of solutions. I'm a licensed banker

2658
02:59:14,480 --> 02:59:18,879
Speaker 20: across the nation with offices a hire, and we don't

2659
02:59:18,959 --> 02:59:21,960
Speaker 20: stick together and support businesses and economy, which is the

2660
02:59:22,040 --> 02:59:26,160
Speaker 20: foundation of the love and the solution. Love is actual.

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02:59:26,240 --> 02:59:29,480
Speaker 11: Let me intervene, let me interfere. Right there, we don't

2662
02:59:29,600 --> 02:59:35,840
Speaker 11: do that because our minds are not in the right place,

2663
02:59:36,680 --> 02:59:43,840
Speaker 11: and we have to concentrate first and on getting our

2664
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:48,360
Speaker 11: mind in the right place. And that's why I wrote

2665
02:59:48,440 --> 02:59:53,800
Speaker 11: this workbook. I would strongly suggest that if you don't

2666
02:59:53,879 --> 02:59:59,440
Speaker 11: already have it, that you get it and implement the

2667
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,680
Speaker 11: solution that I prescribed in this book, because we will

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03:00:04,879 --> 03:00:09,400
Speaker 11: never support black businesses in the way that we ought

2669
03:00:09,480 --> 03:00:15,240
Speaker 11: to and as long as as we suffer from the

2670
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:21,680
Speaker 11: mental condition that I described as being addicted to white

2671
03:00:22,280 --> 03:00:26,800
Speaker 11: So the first order in the solution is to get

2672
03:00:27,160 --> 03:00:31,680
Speaker 11: our brains in tiptop shape. And there's only one way

2673
03:00:31,800 --> 03:00:35,880
Speaker 11: to do that, and that is to concentrate on getting

2674
03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:41,120
Speaker 11: our brains in tiptop shape. And that's why I wrote

2675
03:00:41,160 --> 03:00:45,440
Speaker 11: this workbook, and that's the purpose of my prescription in

2676
03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:51,120
Speaker 11: this workbook. First and foremost, concentrate on the brain and

2677
03:00:51,280 --> 03:00:54,600
Speaker 11: all these other things, as the saying, go free your

2678
03:00:54,720 --> 03:00:56,920
Speaker 11: mind and the rest will follow.

2679
03:00:57,840 --> 03:00:59,560
Speaker 1: Right, and we've reached the clock. So if you can

2680
03:01:00,640 --> 03:01:03,760
Speaker 1: you know not five core white values say many of

2681
03:01:03,840 --> 03:01:06,520
Speaker 1: us are addicted to because your book five.

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03:01:06,440 --> 03:01:09,000
Speaker 11: Core white value is that you'll find in the work book.

2683
03:01:09,000 --> 03:01:14,640
Speaker 11: Because number one, everything black is bad, including our hair.

2684
03:01:15,320 --> 03:01:18,880
Speaker 11: That's why we spend billions of dollars, but particularly our

2685
03:01:18,959 --> 03:01:24,280
Speaker 11: women and try to get so called straight hair with

2686
03:01:24,400 --> 03:01:29,040
Speaker 11: the we's and et cetera. Everything black is bad, but

2687
03:01:29,200 --> 03:01:36,760
Speaker 11: everything white is good. Value White value number two, money

2688
03:01:37,400 --> 03:01:41,400
Speaker 11: and the things that money can buy is more valuable

2689
03:01:42,080 --> 03:01:46,240
Speaker 11: than relationships. So we'll sell out each other and sell

2690
03:01:46,320 --> 03:01:51,240
Speaker 11: out in order to get money, like those senators black

2691
03:01:51,320 --> 03:01:59,959
Speaker 11: senators and politicians, and forsake our duties to one another.

2692
03:02:00,040 --> 03:02:06,240
Speaker 11: The white value number three. White oppressors are trustworthy recorders

2693
03:02:06,400 --> 03:02:10,600
Speaker 11: and interpreters of history and reality. That's why we listen

2694
03:02:10,680 --> 03:02:15,400
Speaker 11: to their broadcast and read their books and accept all

2695
03:02:15,480 --> 03:02:21,360
Speaker 11: that not unsensed as being true and white value number four.

2696
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:27,680
Speaker 11: Individualism is better than collectivism. Hence obligations to the group

2697
03:02:28,360 --> 03:02:32,440
Speaker 11: are subordinate to personal gain. It's all about get yours

2698
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:36,960
Speaker 11: and don't worry about the rest of your people. And

2699
03:02:37,080 --> 03:02:41,400
Speaker 11: then the final white value you Number five. The best

2700
03:02:41,480 --> 03:02:46,680
Speaker 11: way to feel good good about yourself is by surpassing, outdoing,

2701
03:02:47,240 --> 03:02:51,800
Speaker 11: and defeating someone else in an activity achievement of personal

2702
03:02:51,920 --> 03:02:56,360
Speaker 11: characteristic I'm smarter than you, I'm wealthier than you, and

2703
03:02:56,480 --> 03:03:01,039
Speaker 11: on and on and on. And this kind of constant

2704
03:03:01,120 --> 03:03:09,680
Speaker 11: competition prevents us from uniting to fight our oppressor.

2705
03:03:11,040 --> 03:03:13,080
Speaker 1: So would you say that unity would be the answer

2706
03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:14,360
Speaker 1: for all those unities?

2707
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:18,720
Speaker 11: Absolutely a prerequisite, But we will never be unified and

2708
03:03:20,120 --> 03:03:27,920
Speaker 11: we adopt the mind set, uh, realize the value of

2709
03:03:28,120 --> 03:03:32,520
Speaker 11: unity and and adopt the mindset that it wants to

2710
03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:35,680
Speaker 11: be unified with other black people. Right now, we don't

2711
03:03:35,760 --> 03:03:39,240
Speaker 11: even want to be unified with each other, and we

2712
03:03:39,360 --> 03:03:44,520
Speaker 11: certainly don't want to be unified and our battle against

2713
03:03:44,640 --> 03:03:51,960
Speaker 11: our white oppressors. So yeah, it's essential even among so

2714
03:03:52,120 --> 03:03:58,880
Speaker 11: called black advocate You know, I'm blacker than thou, just

2715
03:03:59,120 --> 03:04:04,360
Speaker 11: constant COMPETI titian as opposed to looking for ways to

2716
03:04:04,480 --> 03:04:08,080
Speaker 11: be unified with each other, as opposed to look again

2717
03:04:08,440 --> 03:04:14,680
Speaker 11: for a way to distinguish ourselves from the other black person.

2718
03:04:15,920 --> 03:04:18,400
Speaker 1: Right and with that, you know it shows you when

2719
03:04:18,400 --> 03:04:20,880
Speaker 1: you hear another person putting down another black person. You know,

2720
03:04:21,480 --> 03:04:26,640
Speaker 1: as doctor Wilson, we won't those cracks. But why why

2721
03:04:26,720 --> 03:04:30,200
Speaker 1: why is that real quick for us, doctor Fox? Real quick?

2722
03:04:30,240 --> 03:04:31,400
Speaker 1: Why why do some people do that?

2723
03:04:32,920 --> 03:04:36,160
Speaker 11: Because we've been trained to do that we've been trained

2724
03:04:36,200 --> 03:04:38,880
Speaker 11: that that's an evidence of self hatred.

2725
03:04:40,320 --> 03:04:40,440
Speaker 13: Uh.

2726
03:04:40,560 --> 03:04:45,480
Speaker 11: You you can't put down other people who look just

2727
03:04:45,680 --> 03:04:50,240
Speaker 11: like you without hating yourself as well. And that doesn't

2728
03:04:50,320 --> 03:04:59,400
Speaker 11: me don't describe how off the track, Uh some of

2729
03:04:59,560 --> 03:05:04,800
Speaker 11: us has our and remain. But the idea of the

2730
03:05:05,000 --> 03:05:08,160
Speaker 11: glee that you hear even in the voice of people

2731
03:05:09,360 --> 03:05:12,600
Speaker 11: as they are talking about other black people, you know

2732
03:05:13,120 --> 03:05:18,800
Speaker 11: that they consider themselves else to be better from. It's

2733
03:05:18,959 --> 03:05:24,400
Speaker 11: just ridiculous. Let's try to find ways to be united

2734
03:05:24,720 --> 03:05:27,920
Speaker 11: as opposed to distinguish ourselves from each other.

2735
03:05:29,080 --> 03:05:32,640
Speaker 1: All right. Finally, if we'll go reminder here for folks

2736
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:34,640
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, there's going to be a city council meeting

2737
03:05:34,720 --> 03:05:38,360
Speaker 1: today at twelve thirty this afternoon. And this is come

2738
03:05:38,400 --> 03:05:40,000
Speaker 1: from Brother Tyron, and he says we need to be

2739
03:05:40,080 --> 03:05:42,080
Speaker 1: there and support the Colesian School for Boys. You know,

2740
03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:44,879
Speaker 1: they're trying to close doctor Events School. So show up

2741
03:05:44,920 --> 03:05:48,039
Speaker 1: at City Council in Baltimore Foria and Baltimore this riding

2742
03:05:48,080 --> 03:05:51,160
Speaker 1: regions at twelve thirty this afternoon, Doctor Fox for we

2743
03:05:51,320 --> 03:05:53,000
Speaker 1: let you go. How can we get copies of your book?

2744
03:05:54,120 --> 03:05:54,240
Speaker 9: Right?

2745
03:05:54,920 --> 03:06:01,520
Speaker 11: Well, certainly it's on Amazon dot com. They're in Baltimore.

2746
03:06:01,720 --> 03:06:08,200
Speaker 11: There's the African World Book Books store on the twenty

2747
03:06:08,280 --> 03:06:13,560
Speaker 11: second and Pennsylvania Avenue, and you can go to any

2748
03:06:13,680 --> 03:06:17,400
Speaker 11: really bookstore, are black or white, and ask for the book,

2749
03:06:17,879 --> 03:06:21,840
Speaker 11: and they ought to be able to order it for you.

2750
03:06:22,959 --> 03:06:25,000
Speaker 1: All right again, it's a work with the title of

2751
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:27,280
Speaker 1: the books addicted to white. The oppressed in league with

2752
03:06:27,320 --> 03:06:30,520
Speaker 1: the oppressor, shame based alliance. Thank you, doctor Fox. Thank

2753
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:32,160
Speaker 1: you for sharing your thoughts for us this morning.

2754
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:32,920
Speaker 9: Thank you.

2755
03:06:34,040 --> 03:06:36,520
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's it for the day. Class is dismissed.

2756
03:06:36,720 --> 03:06:40,240
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'll see

2757
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:42,960
Speaker 1: you tomorrow morning, six o'clock right here in Baltimore on

2758
03:06:43,120 --> 03:06:46,240
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB and then the DMV. We're on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty WOL