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Speaker 1: Big win for Indiana in poly Pavilion over UCLA over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. It is tomorrow night against the Trojans of

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Speaker 1: USC That game ten o'clock Local time, seven o'clock, of

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Speaker 1: course on the West coast, and can be heard on

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Speaker 1: our sister station ninety three WIBC joining us now on

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Speaker 1: the Java House, Peel and Port guest line. He is

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Speaker 1: the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers. Don Fisher joining us

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Speaker 1: and Don, I'm not going to lie to you. I

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Speaker 1: thought that game was about to go into a third

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Speaker 1: overtime because I was at the Pacer game and was

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Speaker 1: looking at my phone and following it that way on

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Speaker 1: the game cast, and it got a little hiccuped, and

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Speaker 1: I said, oh, it's going to be a triple overtime.

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Speaker 1: And someone close to me said Don Fisher is going

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Speaker 1: to lose his voice, and I said, I doubt it, man,

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Speaker 1: He's had plenty of two steps over the last couple

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Speaker 2: But let's begin with this.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could look at the end of the

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Speaker 1: regulation and be disappointed in Indiana's lack of ability to close.

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Speaker 1: But I'd rather be the optimist and say that it

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Speaker 1: took a lot of fortitude and strength, especially when Ucla

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Speaker 1: that game. That to me was the kind of game

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Speaker 2: What did you see from your perspective.

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Speaker 3: Well, the one thing that I saw was, and I

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Speaker 3: think this is what's crucial to this basketball team right now,

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Speaker 3: is a toughness factor. I just think that these guys,

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Speaker 3: First of all, they had three guys that fill out

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Speaker 3: and they came up with other people. The other guys

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Speaker 3: who got in the ballgame stepped up, I thought really

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Speaker 3: played well in that context. Trent Sistley, of course, made

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Speaker 3: a critical free throw at the end, and the correct

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Speaker 3: They said it was going to be Indiana's ball, and

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Speaker 3: everybody went nuts in the building without question, And I

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Speaker 3: understand why they did, because it did look initially like

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Speaker 3: it was touched by an Indiana player, but when he

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Speaker 3: went back and looked at it, the ball changed. When

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Speaker 3: somebody from Ucla, I don't even know who the player was,

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Speaker 3: but he flicked it with his finger and that ball

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Speaker 3: started turning a different way, and that's why they made

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Speaker 3: the judgment that they did. But it was Indiana's ball,

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Speaker 3: gave Indiana chance to make the free throw in that,

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Speaker 3: of course, the opportunity to win the ball game. So

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Speaker 3: I just saw a toughness factor, Jake that we hadn't

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Speaker 3: really seen in that four game losing streak that they had.

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Speaker 3: And now all of a sudden, here they've won three

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Speaker 3: then they beat Purdue at home, and now they've beating

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Speaker 3: same against USC tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the guys don Don Fisher

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Speaker 1: my guest here the voice of the Hoosiers, Nick Dorn. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: he has played very well, and you know, he's a

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Speaker 1: guy that's been there and has hit some shots over

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Speaker 1: the course of the year. But the last three games,

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Speaker 1: notably the last two, you know, he's become this really

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Speaker 3: They have said all along going into the season that

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Speaker 3: Nick Dorn would end up being one of the key

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Speaker 3: players on this team shooting the basketball. The difference was

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Speaker 1: Don It's it's still to me, and I'm sure it

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Speaker 1: is for you too, you know, and this will probably

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Speaker 1: there's a conference. You know, I remember when the conference

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, I mean, they definitely try to find

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Speaker 5: Yesterday they went to.

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Speaker 3: A movie, and today they're going to have practice, to

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Speaker 3: but they don't go overboard with it. Darren Debriez is

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Speaker 3: we possibly can. But after a ballgame like that, you

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Speaker 3: had a trip, a double overtime performance by this Indiana

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Speaker 5: They needed some rest.

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Speaker 3: So they're off their feet as much as they can

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Speaker 3: dinner this evening, I think, is what is on the

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Speaker 3: this point. Then they'll have a really good practice later

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Speaker 3: this evening. So and there is definitely there's free time,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure some of these guys that are taking

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Speaker 3: it gets a little boring to save a lease for

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Speaker 3: some of these guys. That's why I played golf yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Nice there's got to be some good golf out there, right.

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Speaker 3: I played with an iu alum that graduated in the

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Speaker 3: which was really really cool.

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Speaker 1: It's good to say, Don, But here's the thing. I

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Speaker 1: have a feeling that you would have found a way

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Speaker 1: to play golf if you were at the Great Alaskan Shootout, right,

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Speaker 1: is that right?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: Trust me, if I could find a golf course in Alaska,

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Speaker 3: that's right, I would definitely play it, There's no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Hey, the you know, trips like this I've always done.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about this before, Don, in terms of

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Speaker 1: just team cohesiveness. And the reason I bring it up

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Speaker 1: is because, like the football team, for example, this is

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Speaker 1: but it's a roster that, upon their first game, was

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Speaker 1: feel like you could really start to see it gelling together,

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Speaker 3: Well, this is going to start, This is going to

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Speaker 3: sound kind of crazy to you.

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Speaker 4: Jake.

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Speaker 3: But when I went to Puerto Rico with the team

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Speaker 3: and they were behind in both ball games pretty significantly,

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Speaker 3: I really didn't think i'd seen that. I don't want

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Speaker 3: And so anyway, I'm probably not answering your question what

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Speaker 4: It's just it's very it's a.

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Speaker 1: The next opportunity for Indiana to compete will be tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and poor guest line. Eddie Gill is a hip guy.

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Speaker 1: Eddie Gill knows hip. He knows cool when he sees it,

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Speaker 1: when he hears it, so he knows. For example, Eddie Gill,

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Speaker 4: That is correct? Up too?

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Speaker 1: And your your children are how old you're a grandfather

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Speaker 4: That is correct? My children are no longer children.

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Speaker 6: Okay, they are twenty five and twenty three, and my

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Speaker 1: See the granddaughter. This is perfect, Eddie this is, this

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Speaker 1: is and this is what the magic of this radio

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: I know that Eddie Gill being a member, of course,

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that in a second.

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Speaker 1: But you're always and you don't need help with this, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: but you're always looking, Eddie Gill, for more ways to

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Speaker 1: be hip.

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Speaker 2: Correct. I mean that we all aspire.

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Speaker 1: For that, right, I mean just trying to say in

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Speaker 2: Here's so, let me tell you this.

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Speaker 1: You're familiar with the craze for the young people of

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Speaker 1: six seven, right, everything's six seven. This goes to lamellow

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Speaker 6: I'm familiar with it, but I have no idea what

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Speaker 2: Well, no one does.

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Speaker 1: But then that's why I want to let you know this,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to be blown away by your hypnos.

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Speaker 1: You say to them if you're talking about something and

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Speaker 1: floor on this. See, this is the kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: that I'm coming up with. Now when I say that,

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Speaker 2: Isn't that what you think to yourself?

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Speaker 1: See Eddie Gerson at least what Eddie g agrees and

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Speaker 7: I'm glad we're wasting time with he's talking about this.

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Speaker 1: That's right, okay, Eddie. Let's get to the pacers themselves.

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Speaker 1: I think this group they're starting to find some rhythm

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Speaker 1: what player or players do you feel have elevated a

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Speaker 6: Well I mean here of late, you know, in terms

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Speaker 6: I would say just Aris Walker. He is definitely elevated

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Speaker 1: Do you see Jeris Walker And I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: back to Nemhart as well in the second here, Eddie,

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Speaker 4: I see him primarily on the wing.

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Speaker 6: I don't necessarily see him playing you know, many post

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Speaker 6: but I don't I don't necessarily see him doing damage

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Speaker 4: Well, I think.

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Speaker 6: Throughout this entire season, I think it's been to some

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Speaker 4: I use the word experiment.

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Speaker 6: Cautiously and not in any sort of negative way, but

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Speaker 4: But now you know, when you know, I.

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Speaker 6: Go back to the OKC game, when Jaris Walker went

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Speaker 6: But you know, he's a guy who where he's really

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Speaker 6: But I do like what he's done from a rebounding standpoint.

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Speaker 2: That's the voice of Eddie Gill.

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Speaker 1: He's on the Java House peeling poor guest line Jake

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Speaker 1: twenty five the discount code for twenty five percent off

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Speaker 2: The feeling poor pods, Eddie. Let's get back to Andrew

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Speaker 1: You know you had talked about his ability as a

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Speaker 1: so good. But what areas do you feel he that

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Speaker 6: I think there's you know, just in fairness, we didn't

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Speaker 4: From a point guard position.

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Speaker 6: I watched him in college, so I in my mind,

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Speaker 6: I always knew he was capable of it because he

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Speaker 6: And I think that's the biggest area of growth externally,

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Speaker 4: To make plays for his teammates.

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Speaker 6: The last couple of seasons, you know, when when Tyreee

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Speaker 6: If Nim Martin could do it at this level. But

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Speaker 1: Eddie, you were obviously a point guard, Eddie Gill my guest,

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Speaker 1: and I would assume in college, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: as the point guard where you had to take on

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Speaker 1: a dual role or even slide over into a shooting

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Speaker 1: guard or primary scoring situation.

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Speaker 4: There were a couple of times where that happened.

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Speaker 6: It was never like a key focus for me in

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Speaker 6: terms of scoring get you know, averaging whatever.

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Speaker 4: Sixteen seventeen points a game.

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Speaker 6: That kind of thing still still got to be a threat,

449
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Speaker 6: but now we're like, hey, we need you to go

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Speaker 6: get twenty twenty five thirty to night.

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Speaker 4: For us to be successful.

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Speaker 6: There was a few times like one, uh, I want

453
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Speaker 6: to say it was a big Skuy tournament my junior year.

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Speaker 4: Our league scorer Aarseno.

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Speaker 6: Who went on in the tournament, and that's the tournament

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Speaker 6: to scorched Carolina in Florida.

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Speaker 4: But he was out. He got hurt in the very.

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Speaker 6: First game in the Big Sky Tournament, and my coach

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Speaker 6: literally came to me and said, hey, do you have

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Speaker 6: to just do you gonna have to do more scoring

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Speaker 6: than what you've you've grown up, you've been accustomed to

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Speaker 6: doing in the last you know, throughout this season. So

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Speaker 6: I went out there was more aggressive to score. So

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Speaker 6: there were there were times like that, a few a

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Speaker 6: handful of times, but mostly it was, you know, my

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Speaker 6: job to do.

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Speaker 4: A little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: Is it more difficult for a natural scorer to learn

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Speaker 1: to facilitate or for a natural facilitator to get scoring

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Speaker 1: opportunity and feel comfortable.

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Speaker 4: With it absactly?

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Speaker 6: I would say, I mean, with all things being equals,

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Speaker 6: I was saying, a guy is is capable of going

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Speaker 6: to score, right, So if you're not, you're not.

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Speaker 4: That's just not who you are.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're a.

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Speaker 4: Guy who's just the highest this number.

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Speaker 6: Guy in you're averaging eight nine points. That's just what

479
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Speaker 6: it is. It's probably gonna be more difficult, difficult for

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Speaker 6: that guy. But I would say, all things being being equal,

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Speaker 6: it's harder for the natural scorer, a guy who can

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Speaker 6: really score it to go back and now, hey, I

483
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Speaker 6: gotta figure out ways to get other guys involved. I

484
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Speaker 6: got to be able to read the game. I gotta

485
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Speaker 6: know who has a hot hand. I need to know

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Speaker 6: what's set to call. I know, I need to know

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Speaker 6: what spot to get on the floor to get this

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Speaker 6: guy a layup or a perimeter jump shot if he's

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Speaker 6: a shooter. I would say there's a lot more that

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Speaker 6: goes into creating for other guys than just plout out, Hey,

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go score it.

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Speaker 1: Eddie Gil will be on the call tonight television broadcast

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Speaker 1: Pacers and Rockets, then of course Pacers Jazz, both of

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Speaker 1: them the next two nights at the field House and

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Speaker 1: on the Java House peeling poor guest line, Eddie, appreciate

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Speaker 1: it as always, and you do not even need to

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Speaker 1: give me credit when you use for the kids q

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Speaker 1: R and they're gonna think you're totally him the trend Center.

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Speaker 4: You are this You're getting all.

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Speaker 1: Problems, Christiana, Eddie, we'll talk to you soon. That is

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Speaker 1: Eddie Gill. Which one a were going with here? Eddie?

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Speaker 7: This is Huntericks from K pop Deepen Hunters song is

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Speaker 7: called Golden.

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Speaker 1: Have you watched that K pop demon Hunters?

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Speaker 4: I have you have? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is that a movie or a show, it's.

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Speaker 7: A movie, it's on Netflix. It is arguably at least

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Speaker 7: right now that.

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Speaker 1: I know that you know, and it's also is it

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Speaker 1: not one of those? And this is always a gold

511
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Speaker 1: mine when you can hit this, when you can come

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Speaker 1: up with a movie or a show that appeals to

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Speaker 1: young kids but also can be like the parents can

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Speaker 1: follow along and enjoy it.

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Speaker 6: R Yep.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely Obviously Olivia and I have no kids, so we

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Speaker 7: were able to follow it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so if I may now, I had put

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Speaker 1: out an edict although we're coming up the Grammy, so

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Speaker 1: probably a good call by you. But on this day,

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Speaker 1: you know, I had said, speaking of movies, that each

522
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Speaker 1: each time we come back from break, we should be

523
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Speaker 1: incorporating this music here right because it's Groundhog Day right now.

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Speaker 1: So what we know is this Eddie has not seen Shawshank,

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Speaker 1: red Emption has not seen Groundhog Day, Nope, but has

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Speaker 1: seen K pop Demon Hunters. Yes, okay, you know I

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Speaker 1: did figure out yesterday Shawshank is available on demand within

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Speaker 1: my cable system, so the party may be on. It's

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Speaker 1: going to change your life. I'm going to guarantee that

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Speaker 1: when you see Shawshank afterwards, you will say, yeah, one

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Speaker 1: of the ten best movies I've.

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Speaker 7: You've only been saying this for what two and a

533
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Speaker 7: half years? Have we been doing the show together?

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Speaker 1: Almost? Well, let's find out what our next guest thinks.

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Speaker 1: He joins us from CBS four and WXI in Fox

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Speaker 1: fifty nine. Chap. You'll be thrilled to know I'm not

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Speaker 1: leading by asking you about the Hall of Fame, but

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Speaker 1: rather asking you if you have seen Shawshank Redemption.

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Speaker 8: So you're backing end of the topic of the day,

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Speaker 8: that's correct. Yeah, Shawshank's a great movie, great top ten. Yeah, probably,

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Speaker 8: I mean yeah, and your Freeze. It's just it's a

542
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Speaker 8: great movie.

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Speaker 1: No spoilers. But here's the thing, admit this. It is

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Speaker 1: one of those movies. We all have our handful of

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Speaker 1: these that you're flipping the channels on a rainy Sunday

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Speaker 1: when there's nothing on, and you happen to see that

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Speaker 1: it's one of the offerings you end up landing there, right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And it's like a Few good Men, Yep, if

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Speaker 9: I can watch the last I don't know, thirty five

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Speaker 9: minutes of a Few good Men, I've watched Top Gun,

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Speaker 9: Maverick a bunch because it's on now. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 9: pretty you know, I know I'm pretty shallow. But there's

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Speaker 9: like five or six of those, not the whole thing, well,

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Speaker 9: like if you can watch a forty year Old Virgin,

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Speaker 9: and you can, if you can get the waxing.

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Speaker 1: Part, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 5: But it's great.

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Speaker 9: And again, since we're down this rabbit hole, the one

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Speaker 9: with the wedding crashers and Owen Wilson, Oh yeah, when

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Speaker 9: he's in the bedroom with lynn Lynne Seymour, what Jane

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Speaker 9: Seymour and she's doing what she's doing and he says

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Speaker 9: this fields borderline inappropriate. I'm thinking that's one of the

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Speaker 9: old time great lines in the movies, and you have

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Speaker 9: to watch the scene to understand why it's inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever watch it, Owen Wilson? Did you ever

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Speaker 1: see the TV show on on?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: It's on Apple and I don't know when the next

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Speaker 1: season comes out. Stick with Owen Wilson. No, it's a

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Speaker 1: good show. It's uh. Owen Wilson is the same character

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Speaker 1: and everything he plays, but I find him likable personally.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 1: The Fugitive also on my list of must land movies.

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Speaker 1: All right, chap, let's get to this. You know a

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Speaker 1: lot has been said about of course, and I know

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Speaker 1: you've talked with John about it. I had you on

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Speaker 1: last week and we talked about the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: vote and the.

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Speaker 9: Day you were a day early. I wasn't ready to

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Speaker 9: do what I did, and then all the crap that

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Speaker 9: hit social media. I thought, yeah, this is BS, so

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Speaker 9: I decided to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that? Well, I guess what was the

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Speaker 2: So did you know when I had asked you?

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I totally understand and respect it that

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Speaker 1: I don't want to come up the wrong way when

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Speaker 1: I asked you as probably is my job in the interview,

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Speaker 1: hey did you vote for Belichick? And then you as

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Speaker 1: is also your job, and I think we have a

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Speaker 1: mutual understanding there. You know, you're like, hey, I know

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Speaker 1: you got to ask it, but I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: divulge at that time. Did you know then that you

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Speaker 1: were probably going to write a column divulging your vote?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 9: No, That's why I say I I I was honest

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Speaker 9: with you that obviously I knew how I voted. I

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Speaker 9: wasn't going to put it out there. But then there

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Speaker 9: was so much junk out there on social media. Some

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Speaker 9: of them, some of them was from from fellow fellow

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Speaker 9: selectors where they said, well, I voted for him. I

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Speaker 9: voted for him, and then they took some of the

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Speaker 9: guys took a step further. I voted for him, and

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Speaker 9: it's embarrassment to the Hall of Fame that he's not in. Well,

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Speaker 9: then you're sort of calling in to account. You know,

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Speaker 9: you're dismissing my ability to vote the way I want to.

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Speaker 9: It's it would be the old but there's two ways

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Speaker 9: of doing things. My way in the wrong way. Well,

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Speaker 9: now wait a minute, you know it's that's that's not

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Speaker 9: the way it works. So no, at the time, I didn't,

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Speaker 9: but I just did. I just didn't like the way

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Speaker 9: the the tsunami was going because I was getting swept

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Speaker 9: up in it.

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Speaker 5: And I so I thought, what the hell?

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Speaker 9: And and I hope people who listen and and know

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Speaker 9: and that's not followed my career.

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Speaker 5: That's terrible, but.

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Speaker 9: It's seen the way I've handled things. I don't like

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Speaker 9: to being part of the story.

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Speaker 5: I just don't.

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Speaker 9: There are times you can't, you can't avoid it, but

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Speaker 9: in this case, I just couldn't. I just it was

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Speaker 9: was there was too much BS.

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Speaker 1: Going on for those that didn't see it or did

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Speaker 1: not hear just and the brief synopsis the reason that

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Speaker 1: you elected not to vote for Bill Belichick in this

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Speaker 1: his first year of eligibility.

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Speaker 9: Well, when you boil it all down, it's Spygate, and

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Speaker 9: you have to understand that our charge for the Hall

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Speaker 9: of Fame when you consider people, it's on field, off field.

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Speaker 9: You can do a lot of stuff, not in a

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Speaker 9: Campagian ship, but on field matters, and Spygate impacted on

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Speaker 9: field Bill Belichick was he was fined to half a

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Speaker 9: million and the team was lost the first round draft pick. Well,

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Speaker 9: that's on field stuff. And I've always taken the approach

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Speaker 9: and this gets me into trouble, but I think if

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Speaker 9: you're a first ballot Hall of.

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Speaker 5: Famer, well you really need to be.

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Speaker 9: Kind of a clean a clean guy, a clean resume,

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Speaker 9: a clean bio. Peyton Manning and I thought anavententary last

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Speaker 9: year was a perfect example.

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Speaker 5: You know what do you guys want?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 9: But Bellichi And I'm not dismissing however, many wins, the

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Speaker 9: second most in league history, and the eight Super Bowl

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Speaker 9: six with the Patriots, I'm not dismissing that. At all,

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Speaker 9: but don't just tell me you're a racing spygate at

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Speaker 9: least acknowledge that that he's got this stain on his resume.

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Speaker 9: And almost every argument I've heard hardly even brings that up. Uh,

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Speaker 9: So I do think when a guy has something like that,

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Speaker 9: and I didn't. I didn't really take the flate gate

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Speaker 9: into that because that, to me, that's a brady thing

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Speaker 9: and we'll we'll deal with that in a year or two.

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Speaker 9: So I just and again, I'll vote for Bill Belichick

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Speaker 9: next year.

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Speaker 4: I will.

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Speaker 5: I didn't vote for Terrell.

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Speaker 9: Owens his first year of eligibility. Remember, there's some stink

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Speaker 9: over that not to this level, and he's a top

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Speaker 9: five receiver of all time, there's no two ways about it.

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Speaker 9: But he was suspended two or three times his own team,

661
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 9: and I just think that that sort of keeps it

662
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 9: from being that first ballot guy because it does mean something.

663
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: So I'll put it to you this way, Chap, Is

664
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: this a fair statement? Whenever a player is being analyzed

665
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: to go into the Hall of Fame, if for the

666
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: sake of discussion, there is one person who is in

667
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: charge of listing all of the accolades, there is one

668
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: person who is in charge of listing potential demerits, and

669
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: it is your opinion that someone who is a first

670
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Famer one of the criteria would be

671
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: the person who is in charge of listing the demerits.

672
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: Has nothing to say.

673
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 9: Well, but it's not like that, because again, if you're presenting.

674
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: There, I know I'm saying hypothetically, I mean that, you

675
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

676
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, But it comes up, and it comes up with

677
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 9: everybody that well, you know, this guy was suspended for

678
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 9: four games for PDS and this guy was all this,

679
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 9: So no, I see that that's the slippery slope. I

680
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 9: get one. I was looking at at our Hall of

681
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 9: Fame book that we get, the media guide that we

682
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 9: put out, and and I don't have the Bye Laws

683
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 9: in front of me, but one of the one of

684
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 9: the front pages mission out of the greatest of the

685
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 9: game preserved its history, promote its values, and then it's

686
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 9: got values commitment and integrity, courage, respect and honesty. Well

687
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 9: you know, Spikeys sort of goes against a couple of those.

688
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 5: Uh, So you know that.

689
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 9: That's why I say, and I'll catch holy hell for this,

690
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 9: and we'll have a zoom meeting in a couple of

691
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 9: weeks to go through this. I'm not I'm not the

692
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 9: only one. I'm convinced. I'm not the only one that

693
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 9: believes this. I'm to this point, I'm the only one

694
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 9: that's mentioned this.

695
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: Uh. But if you're okay, if you're okay.

696
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 9: With getting the biggest fine in NFL history for a

697
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 9: coach and losing a first round draft pick, then fine,

698
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 9: they didn't vote for him. I just I chose not to.

699
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 9: And and that's I can't point anything. And I'm not

700
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 9: going to say, well, you know, without Tom Brady, he

701
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 9: was trash. I'm not going to go there because his

702
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 9: body of work is just so overwhelming. But but there's

703
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 9: but there's a butt, you know. But and if you're

704
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 9: okay to not have a butt or to have it there,

705
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 9: and it doesn't matter if he's didn't, fine, but I it.

706
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: Did bother me.

707
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 9: Uh. And I did vote for Bob Kraft, which nobody

708
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 9: cares about, you know. And uh And and I get that.

709
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 9: But that's where we get into that, or where I

710
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 9: do a lot of us to do have a problem

711
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 9: with the process where we've got five candidates, three seniors

712
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 9: and a coach and a contributor and he can only

713
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 9: vote for three and they needed you know, one guy

714
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 9: gets in the top vote get he gets in, but

715
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 9: anyone else has to have eighty. And that's where it gets.

716
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 9: That's where you cannot get enough votes because people are

717
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 9: voting here there, and you value a senior over a

718
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 9: coach or an owner. And that's where we need to

719
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 9: address that, which maybe they do, maybe they don't. I

720
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 9: don't know. That's again, that's above my pay grade. I

721
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 9: tried to stay within the framework that we're given, so

722
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 9: and and and into What got me irritated is we're

723
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 9: not supposed to talk about what went on in the room.

724
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 9: It's it's it's for free flow of information and criticism

725
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 9: and all that. And some anonymous selector told ESPN that, well,

726
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 9: there was the flight Gate and Bill Pullion was sort

727
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 9: of the driving force behind. Well, when you have that,

728
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 9: you need to wait one year.

729
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 5: That's wrong. It was Bill.

730
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 9: Pollyan didn't say that, So I guess if you're going

731
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 9: to be a source, at least get your facts straight.

732
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 4: Uh.

733
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 9: And and you know Bill and I have had issues

734
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 9: before we get along and find out. But the character

735
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 9: assassination he took on social media was over the top

736
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 9: and oh, by the way, wrong.

737
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 5: So that's and this isn't a well Indianapolis.

738
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 9: They don't like the Patriots. I voted for Bob Kraft.

739
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: I stood up and.

740
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 9: Presented Adam Van Terry. It's not that, it's I couldn't

741
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 9: get past first ballot spygate. And again, if you if

742
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 9: you disagree, I understand, but I guess at least honor

743
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 9: my right to have that view. And well, I tell

744
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 9: you if you want to be entertained. You know when

745
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 9: I first posted the story for Fox fifty nine, going

746
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 9: going to read the timeline. Those comments are really pretty juicy.

747
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: Chap You also, Mike Chapels my guest. He's on the

748
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: Java house peeling poor guest.

749
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 4: Line.

750
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: You also, after your explanation, either right before or right after,

751
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: you reposted a statement that was released by the NFL

752
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: in regards to the Hall of Fame Class of twenty

753
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: twenty six, And basically what the statement said was that

754
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: with being a Hall of Fame voter comes the expectation

755
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: of adhering to certain things in which every voter is

756
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: aware there could be penalty for that. What do you

757
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: believe was the motivation of the NFL of releasing that statement.

758
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 9: That wasn't the NFL. That was the Hall of Fame.

759
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 9: The Hall of Fame, the Hall of Fame, and they

760
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 9: are separate. Yeah, whether it was, I would think the

761
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 9: selector being the source and saying what he said or

762
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 9: she said. We've got female selectors as well. Because other

763
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 9: than that, I don't know what there could have been

764
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 9: to go against the bylaws. We have every right in

765
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 9: my mind to include spygate in that. One guy that

766
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 9: I know, the Kansas City guy, voted, he announced that

767
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 9: he did not vote for Belichick.

768
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 5: He voted for the three seniors.

769
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 9: And I understand that we you know, a lot of

770
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 9: people are don't want to see seniors get in and

771
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 9: a lot of us want to see seniors get in.

772
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 9: And but I really think it was the spreading information.

773
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 9: Where again, things that are said in that room, they're

774
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 9: they're confidential for a reason. If you're going to be

775
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 9: critical of this player, that player, you don't want it

776
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 9: to get back to that player that well, this guy

777
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 9: trist you you know you can't and and then it

778
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 9: just it keeps people from being honest. So I really

779
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 9: think that's what it is, because I don't know what

780
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 9: else it would have been in the voting process. You know,

781
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 9: you're not supposed to go with a lobby for people.

782
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 9: You're not supposed to say, you know, you vote for

783
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 9: my guy, I vote for your guy.

784
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

785
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 9: And you're not supposed to have any of these people

786
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 9: talk about these preconceived biases. Everybody's got biases, you know.

787
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 5: A lot a lot of the talk is, well.

788
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 9: Let's get to the meeting, let's gear to the meeting

789
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 9: the writers, let's get more players, more more current Hall

790
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 9: of famers. You think those guys aren't going to bring

791
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 9: by us into the room, Are you serious? I mean,

792
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 9: of course they are. I would just hope that you're

793
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 9: able to weigh things the proper way and and somebody

794
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 9: will somebody on social media. Well, I just showed you

795
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 9: that people were upset the way Belichick treated the media.

796
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 9: Now this is the media's chance for payback. That's bs.

797
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 9: I've voted for guys who were complete. If that's the case,

798
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 9: Warren Sapp would never be in the Hall of Fame

799
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 9: because he was not nice to work with for the

800
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 9: Tampa Bay media, I'm telling you. So, that's all I

801
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 9: can think of. Is they really really frown on people

802
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 9: talking out outside school, so to speak. And if there's

803
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 9: something else, I don't know. But again, when we have

804
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 9: our meeting in a couple of weeks, just the sort

805
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 9: of air our grievances, and and that that will be

806
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 9: high on the list of topics.

807
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 5: And again the way it works. Again, we voted.

808
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 9: It's been three and a half weeks ago, and as

809
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 9: we left our zoom, I did not I know. I

810
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 9: knew who made the modern era from the cut from

811
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 9: ten to seven.

812
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 5: I knew that.

813
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 9: I knew who the seven guys were, so I knew

814
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 9: eight guys didn't make it. I just knew that, but

815
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 9: I didn't know who made it from there. I didn't

816
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 9: know who made it from the seniors and the coaches.

817
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 9: And a few a week later, whateverything in the Hall

818
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 9: of Fame contacts these people and said you made it,

819
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 9: you didn't make it. And then they asked those people

820
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 9: to keep it quiet because they want, you know, Thursday

821
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 9: night when it's announced to be a surprise. Well, either

822
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 9: Bill Belichick or someone close to Bill let it out

823
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 9: or got it out there on purpose whatever. I've heard

824
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 9: a few other names, but they really they really try

825
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 9: to keep that private, which is hard to do because

826
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 9: once it is the thing, it's the only thing that

827
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 9: wants you to tell a secret, it's not a secret.

828
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: Well, Chab to play Devil's advocate here. Okay, So if

829
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: you are to keep it confidential or private, and if

830
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: you were incredulous over the fact that someone did not

831
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: when it came to Belichick's vote, then why then come

832
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: out and say you didn't vote for him?

833
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 5: I don't know what you mean.

834
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: Well, in other words, could you not have just said, look,

835
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: that's confidential. I don't I'm not going to explain, and

836
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: and and in hindsight, is that what you technically what

837
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: they would have preferred you to do, or is that

838
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: never discussed that?

839
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 5: I don't know.

840
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 9: That's a that's a good question, and we'll had that

841
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 9: brought up because we're not I don't know that we're

842
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 9: prohibited from doing it unless they want you to wait

843
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 9: until after the show on Thursday. But we had guys,

844
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 9: four or five guys come out and say, well, I

845
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 9: voted for him, because again, when the Hall of Fame

846
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 9: and the selection, we're catching holy hill over this, how

847
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 9: dare you not vote for him?

848
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 5: Well?

849
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 9: X number of guy said I voted for him, and

850
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 9: then before you know it, it's process elimination. If you

851
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 9: get X number eight guys who said they voted for him,

852
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 9: then you know these guys did not vote for him.

853
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 9: And I've seen someone from the selectors they posted on

854
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 9: a column that only eleven people did not vote for Belichick.

855
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 9: If that's the case, it only takes eleven to keep

856
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 9: you out. I find it hard to believe two things.

857
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 9: One that only eleven of us didn't and that this guy,

858
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 9: who I trust and he's really a good guy, that

859
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 9: he knows who the eleven are, because the only way

860
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 9: to do is the Hall of Fame is not going

861
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 9: to tell you, So the only way to pare it

862
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 9: down is to talk to all fifty people and do

863
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 9: an otally on it. So but we'll see, And even

864
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 9: after Thursday, I just don't think officially they're going to

865
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 9: come out and say, well, there were eleven, you know

866
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 9: the old Belichick. Eleven is what somebody put on social media.

867
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 9: But I tell you I would personally, I would like

868
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 9: to know who else in the room did not vote

869
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 9: for him and and why, just because it's such a

870
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 9: flash point. But I don't have any any expectations that

871
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 9: will happen, and there's no there's no reason that the

872
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 9: Hall of Fame will say with in this instance, we're

873
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 9: going to tell you. They're not going to tell us

874
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 9: who voted for who. So I'm curious at our meeting,

875
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 9: whatever it is, in the next month. But I and

876
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 9: I understand people don't like the system. There's parts of

877
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 9: it I don't like. But until you come up with

878
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 9: a better, better way of doing that what you want

879
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 9: you want to pick up fifty fans fifty players? Uh,

880
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 9: you want AI to do it? And goes strictly on stats.

881
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 5: I don't know.

882
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 9: I don't know what's better. I don't like the baseball

883
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 9: and they've got a morality, cause that's why you know

884
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 9: that the Pete Roses in, the Bonds and Maguires at all,

885
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 9: those right right aren't in and may never get in.

886
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: So, in other words, Robert Kraft's off field indiscretions are

887
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: not applicable by rule of the voting because it does

888
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: not impact or effect on field performance.

889
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 9: And that's a tricky one too, because I went back

890
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 9: and double checked about that. He was charged and then

891
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 9: the chargers were dismissed. So does that mean nothing happened? Well,

892
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 9: I know something happened, but no, no, what But what

893
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 9: your point is, Yes, that should have nothing to do

894
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 9: with it because it's off the field.

895
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

896
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 9: And we've got guys in the Hall of Fame. I'm

897
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 9: not going to mention names who've done things that that

898
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 9: maybe uh they they didn't impact on the field, but

899
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 9: they were whether it was alledged And again, Craft was

900
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 9: an alleged he was. He was charged with like two

901
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 9: counts of whatever it was.

902
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 5: He was caught.

903
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 9: He was caught in the sting if I'm not mistaken

904
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 9: on trafficking and wrong place, wrong time at some strip

905
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 9: mall in Jupiter, Florida.

906
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 5: But he has because what's that strip?

907
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: The keyword?

908
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: I know?

909
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 9: So so but that that that there were no there

910
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 9: were no charges, or that they were dismissed, that might

911
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 9: be different, but no. Bottom line is that shouldn't matter

912
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 9: because it did not impact It impacted the reputation certainly,

913
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 9: but it didn't have any carryover to the field, whereas

914
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 9: spygate did, and and just and he could argue Tom

915
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 9: Brady did too with the flightgate because he was I

916
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 9: think the team was fined a million dollars and they

917
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 9: lost two draft picks. What was the first round ratick

918
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 9: and he was suspended for four games. So I think

919
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 9: when you're suspended you missed time, then that is on field,

920
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 9: and then then you have to decide what's your level

921
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 9: of your what's your level of being okay with something?

922
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 9: If if you if you say Spygate didn't rise to

923
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 9: the level of keeping Bill Belichick out for one year.

924
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 9: Keep in mind, Doug on it, he's going to get

925
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 9: in next year. His gold jacket will be just as

926
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 9: bright as everybody else is. Uh, he just won't be

927
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 9: a first ballot guy, Chap.

928
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Do you believe Adam Vinitari and Reggie Wayne will get

929
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: in this year?

930
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm not gonna go with.

931
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 9: Uh, That's what I won't go with. I I I

932
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 9: know I know something you don't know. I I know,

933
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 9: and I'm not saying I just that's That's That's one

934
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 9: thing that I can't that I can't say because it's

935
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 9: not out and although I know what's gonna happen, I can't.

936
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 9: I'll tell you we did this a couple of years ago.

937
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 9: I can blame twice. And if I blame twice, one's

938
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 9: in and the other is not. That I know but

939
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 9: I can't share.

940
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: In terms of Reggie Wayne, if he were to not

941
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: get in this year, he would have how many chances

942
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: before then he moves into the other column of the

943
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: senior like you have with el C. Greenwood and Roger

944
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: Craig and Kenny Anderson.

945
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 9: You get twenty years after your twentieth year, you going

946
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 9: to senior prool. So he's been there, he's over for

947
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 9: six going into this year. This is his seventh year.

948
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 9: John Lynch was elected on his ninth time, so there

949
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 9: is you know, Reggie's not in first place on having

950
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 9: to wait. Edrick had to wait six or seven years.

951
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 9: But no, you get twenty years, and that's we've had

952
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 9: people get in the last several years. Well, you know

953
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 9: this is his last year. If he doesn't get in,

954
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 9: he goes into the senior pool. And that's mattered to

955
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 9: some people and it drives me crazy. Well, then why

956
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 9: didn't he get in for the first twenty years, for

957
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 9: the first nineteen years, But then then I vote for

958
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 9: seniors because if they don't get in, if Roger Craig

959
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 9: and Kenny Anderson and Elsie Agreement don't get in, they're

960
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 9: probably gone.

961
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: So let me clarify this is this a fair statement

962
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: to make? Mike Chappell would know between Adam and Aitaire

963
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: and Reggie Wayne whether or not both one or none

964
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: of them made it into the final seven, but he

965
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: would not know what the results of that final seven

966
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 1: voting is. Yes, okay, but then.

967
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 4: I also know.

968
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 9: I also know past the seven who did or did

969
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 9: not get in regarding those.

970
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: Two gotcha okay?

971
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 5: Makes any sense? Again?

972
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 9: I know once we paired from ten to seven, I

973
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 9: knew who the seven were and if you didn't get

974
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 9: to the seven, you don't have a chance of getting

975
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 9: in this year, right. So, But but then I just

976
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 9: from being around it and people I've talked to, I know,

977
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 9: I know what you ask. I do know that. I

978
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 9: just I just if I share it, I would I

979
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 9: would lose my job. And as much as people want

980
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 9: me to lose that selector's job anyway, I'm not ready

981
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 9: to do that yet.

982
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: There's a really good steakhouse in Mansfield that I enjoy.

983
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: Should I make reservations for sometime in the early fall

984
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: or late summer.

985
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not going to go there, you know.

986
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 9: So what it was today Monday, you'll know Thursday night.

987
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: And that's the last thing I was gassed is when

988
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: do we find out.

989
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 9: It's Thursday night at the honor show, which at another bitch,

990
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 9: this is like a two hour show where you do

991
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 9: the MVP and the Player of the Year and come

992
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 9: back player and oh, by the way, like in the

993
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 9: second hour they dropped the Hall of Fame in there

994
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 9: for fifteen minutes, which is this is the Hall of

995
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 9: Fame for crying out loud. Don't dump us after somebody's monologue,

996
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 9: you know, an hour and a half into the end

997
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 9: of the thing. But that's another argument we try to have.

998
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 9: But it's Thursday night. I don't know what's the time

999
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 9: as eight to ten or something locally, so that that's

1000
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 9: when you'll know whether you should make make the drive

1001
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 9: over to Campon or just not.

1002
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: Okay. Lastly, chap if, I had a tradition that I

1003
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: like to enjoy a dish or a delicacy that is

1004
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: indigenous to the Super Bowl champion city. Every year I

1005
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: do this. The day after the Super Bowl. I plan

1006
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: for lunch or breakfast or dinner or whatever, I'm going

1007
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: to have something to eat that is aligned with the

1008
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion from the night before. One week from

1009
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: today will I be enjoying clam chowder or.

1010
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 5: Coffee coffee, don't you thank? Don't you think?

1011
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: But doesn't it feel like every time we think there's

1012
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: a slamming down to the other one wins.

1013
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, and the other thing is on your your

1014
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 9: your starbuck type of thing. Whenever we used to go

1015
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 9: to Seattle, which is an awful trip because it's so

1016
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 9: far away, we'd stay at SeaTac Airport and there was

1017
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 9: a place called the eleven Coins or nine Coins or

1018
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 9: something great place to eat. I would eat there, but no,

1019
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 9: I just as much as I like clamshowder. And then

1020
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 9: Drake May's apparently had some kind of a shoulder shoulder

1021
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 9: shoulder thing. Well, you know, he's a quarterback, so shoulder

1022
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 9: things are a big deal. I thought all year long

1023
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 9: that if the best team wasn't Seattle, it was the Rams,

1024
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 9: and I think we've shown that, and boy Colt should

1025
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 9: have beat him up, gone, Colt should have beat him

1026
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 9: with Philip Rivers. But I just think, Seattle, I realize

1027
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 9: you've got Sam Darnald and he can turn into a

1028
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 9: pumpkin real soon, real quickly. That defense is pretty good,

1029
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 9: So I think this is a Seattle.

1030
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 5: But You're right.

1031
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,959
Speaker 9: Every time you think it's that that that slam dunk,

1032
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 9: it's not. But if I had to bet your money,

1033
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 9: I'd be betting on Seattle.

1034
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 4: All right.

1035
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: Goes without saying, Eddie that if you need to get

1036
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: your coffee on Monday. To go align with what I'm saying,

1037
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: Java House is the place to do it, all right,

1038
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,440
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1039
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,879
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1040
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: All right, chap appreciate the time and the candor. As always,

1041
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: I'll catch you next quick mate. All Right, Mike Chapel

1042
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: joining us from CBS four and w x I N

1043
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Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine