1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Well, look, you gotta get bron credit, do I He 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: delivered that State of the State with all the enthusiasm 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: of a guy about to enter a colonoscopy. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: My gosh, was that boring? 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 3: It was quick, too, wasn't it. 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: It was bad even by Braune standards. I mean, he 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: is an awful and awful, uncharismatic public speaker. And I 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: talked to multiple members of the media last night while 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: the speech was going on, and they were like, this 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: is bad even by the low bar we've set for Braun. Right. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: I mean, that state of the state was worse than 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: I expected. It was void of any big, meaningful policy proposals. 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: He was doing his best to spend the past year 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: as though. 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: It was some sort of win. 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: And the biggest applause lines of the night were I 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: you football and the bear, which the bear. This ain't 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: happening and he has done everything in his power. Braun 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: has to screw over Indiana University. So I mean it 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: was Look, I mean the state is a dumpster fire. 21 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't know if you saw 22 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: this when they announced Braun right, So like I'm watching 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: a video feed of this and Micah gets up and 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: announces Braun, and he flubbed the announcement. But that's neither 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: here nor there. Braun comes in and normally there's, you know, 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: this robust enthusiasm, there's this huge applause, there's oh, I 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: can't wait to you know, greet the governor and get 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: a hug and get on TV and a blah blah blah. 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: And these people acted like the high school principal had 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: just walked in. 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: They were gonna have mandatory fun. 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I mean, you can tell these people want 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: nothing to do with him. They were there by force, 34 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: and the speech reflected a guy who has nothing to 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: offer this state. 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: So you did not walk away feeling overly motivated. Well, 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: Braun did say that the state of the state strong. 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: He emphasized economic growth, affordability, and Indiana being open for business. 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: The one thing that struck me was that it was 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: very pointed, It was succinct, and it was not peppered 41 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 3: with a bunch of flowery language, which kind of surprised 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,119 Speaker 3: me because I'm told that there is at least one 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: person at the State House who is the most excellent 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: writer and would stop you dead in your tracks. So 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 3: why he did not elicit the help from somebody who 46 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: could craft that message. I don't know, not horsing around, 47 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: but he did mention that it was going to cross 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: the finish line twice, and both times he was talking 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: about the sporting events that you mentioned, IU football and 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: the Chicago Bears. 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest line applause lines were IU football, 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: and then that was followed by this pie in the 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: sky fantasy island, by the way, I love now. Mike 54 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: Brawn's plan for the Bears, basically, and the States plan 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: for the Bears is to get in bed with Tom McDermott, 56 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: the mayor of Hammond, who is a complete who was there, 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: who is a complete Democrat nutback. He's the guy who 58 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: ran against Todd Young a couple of years ago. And 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: that is their big plan to bring the Bears is 60 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: Tom McDermott. So basically, we're gonna have Indianapolis two point 61 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: zero where we're gonna put some loser. We're gonna put 62 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: this in a city that is run by a complete zero. 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: And that's Braun's plan for the Bears. The Bears are 64 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: not happening, The Bears are not leaving, They're not gonna 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: They're always gonna be the Chicago Well, they're gonna be 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: at Hammond and be the Chicago Bears, or Indiana's gonna 67 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: put a billion dollars attacks incentives out for the Chicago 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: Bears and they're gonna be in indian That doesn't make 69 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: any sense. The Bears are not leaving. That is to 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: distract people, and the reality is in Casey, you watched 71 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: the speech. Was there any signature policy proposal that he 72 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: put forward last night that you said, Wow, if we 73 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: do that, that's gonna be great for Indiana. 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: Well, he did mention about how it's costing less now 75 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 3: to create a job here in Indiana. I did think 76 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: he tried his best to talk about his successes of 77 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: the past of the past year. What were they? 78 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: What were the success in his. 79 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: Mind, we're getting the same message. One of them was 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: about property taxes. He again talked about the historic tax 81 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: reform and how it's going to save taxpayers one point 82 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: five billion dollars over three years. 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 4: Another wait on Hoosier's wallets when I took office. 84 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: Was property taxes. 85 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 4: It's a major driver of the affordability crisis. That's why 86 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: I led the way to historic, meaningful property tax reform. 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: Our historic tax cut on property taxes one point five 88 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 4: billion dollars over three years. It ensures local governments have 89 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: resources for essential services. And who's your homeowners can keep 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: more of their money in their pocket. 91 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: No, no, no, Hang on a second, he's almost go 92 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: into a thing. 93 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'll let you go first. 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: All I was going to say is that he framed 95 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: that issue as it being settled, which is different from 96 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: what we have heard that they were going to go 97 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: back and review it. 98 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's done with it, and he's done with it. 99 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: He is Donald Trump to that auto plant worker the 100 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: other day, extending his middle finger. 101 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: Kelly's number one. 102 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: Look, all the property tax bill is is one. It 103 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: is a giveaway too big business. The big winners in 104 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: the property tax bill are these mega corps who will 105 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: now get their re what they call real property. They'll 106 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: be able to not pay taxes on that up to 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: a two million dollars. 108 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: So they're the huge winners. 109 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: They're going to get most of the money out of this, 110 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: and what you're going to get is your taxes. And 111 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: by the way, my old buddy Steve did a big 112 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: XPOS on this last night. 113 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: We've talked about Steve before. Steve is a. 114 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: Steve probably knows property taxes better than maybe any person 115 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: in the state, including the lawmakers. He's a former local 116 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: newspaper writer up up in Noble County, and he did 117 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: a big X was a on this last night about 118 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: how in the short term, and this is exactly what 119 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: we've said on this show. In the short term, like 120 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: this year, you are probably going to see, depending on 121 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: where you live, a quote unquote lower property tax bill. 122 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: May not be by much, but you're probably gonna see 123 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: a lower property tax bill. But then the fun starts 124 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: because the system itself, and this is what we've been 125 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: saying for years in this program, the system itself is 126 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: so broken you cannot fix it by tinkering inside of 127 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: the system. And so what is going to happen? Because 128 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: property taxes are a mixture of assessed values and tax 129 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: rates and levees and things that three people in this 130 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: state understand, what is going to happen, especially for farmers 131 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: in this state going forward. And who's your ag today 132 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: at a big thing on this. You don't have to 133 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: take my word for it that you are going to 134 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: start to see specific people in the tax could see 135 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: their property taxes skyrocket. On top of that, you're going 136 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: to see most school districts in the state, many school 137 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: districts in this state, go for school referendums this fall 138 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: that will raise your taxes. 139 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 2: If they pass. 140 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: At the very least, you're gonna have to spend your 141 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: own money to defeat the property tax referendum. Then you're 142 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: going to see in many communities this income tax go up, 143 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: which didn't exist. And so three years from now you'll 144 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: get the immediate quote unquote benefit, But three years from now, 145 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: your collective tax burden is going to be higher, in 146 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: some cases, much higher than it is today. What they 147 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: came up with was a joke. It was a giveaway 148 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: to big business. You are going to get screwed. And 149 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: as Braun does with just about everything, he looked the 150 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: entire state in the eye, just like he did a 151 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: thousand people at our property tax rally, and he lied. 152 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: Another thing he talked about was data centers and AI. 153 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: He said that the data centers must pay their own 154 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: electricity costs. 155 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: When did that start? Because when did that start? 156 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: Is did I miss some piece of legislation that says 157 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: the data centers must pay their own freight? 158 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: Did I miss that? As that is that somewhere. 159 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Can you direct me to that, because all we're seeing 160 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: from all of these utility companies is how much rates 161 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: are going to go up. And one of the things 162 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: they're saying publicly is because of the large businesses, these 163 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: mega corporations, these data centers that are using huge amounts 164 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: of electricity. 165 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: He'll just he pulled get out of his asse. 166 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: He actually said, your utility costs will go down? How 167 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: because of the data centers? 168 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: Oh, because of the. 169 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: So a company that is using large amounts of electricity 170 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: is somehow going to make my electricity go down the price. See, 171 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: once again, you cannot believe a word that comes out 172 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: of his mouth. Because if the data centers are such 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: a great deal, if the data centers are making money, 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: if the data centers are paying for themselves, then why 175 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: is Mike Bronze Indian Economic Development Corporation giving millions of 176 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: dollars of tax incentives on top of the local tax incentives, 177 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: the abatements. 178 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: That these building the good to be here. If they're 179 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: such a great deal, if they're so great. 180 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: For the community, why are we as Hoosiers paying millions 181 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: of dollars for these data centers to come to Indiana. 182 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 3: One thing that he did mention, I. 183 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: Believe the answer is because he's lying. 184 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: One thing that he did mention was that childcare costs 185 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 3: were too expensive, and he said that that's going to 186 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 3: be addressed in the twenty seven budget, not this year, 187 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 3: and he wants businesses to get involved and have skin 188 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 3: in the game as well. 189 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: Look, he was void, it was laborious, it was boring. 190 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: He was void of any specific policy proposals. He's fresh 191 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: out of ideas. He has to know, or at least 192 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: the people around him, because I don't know whether Braun 193 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: knows where he's at most of the time. But they 194 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: have to know. These lawmakers hate him. They're not going 195 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: to give him anything he wants. He's just a guy 196 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: cashing a check at this point. He's just some rich 197 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: aloof weirdo cashing a check that did nothing for you. 198 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: And he's totally blown it. He's done. 199 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: The one point in the speech that got the most 200 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: passion out of everybody, and as you mentioned, is when 201 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: he was talking about the IU football team. 202 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 4: I am so proud of the work we've done to 203 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: make Indiana a better, more affordable place to build alive. 204 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: My administration has people from up and down the state. 205 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 4: We have Butler fans, we have Notre Dame fans, we 206 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: have Purdue fans. But on Monday, I expect to see 207 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: all of them wearing cream and Crimson. 208 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 3: That's how you get people excited. You talk about non 209 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 3: partisan issues. 210 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: Indiana University, which he and his lieutenant governor have gone 211 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: out of their way to attack, to change the structure 212 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: of to say they're awful, they're horribly run, They change 213 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: the board, and then here he is the classic politician 214 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: move right when it benefits him. 215 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: Hey, we love IU the best. We're all Hoosiers today. Baby, 216 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: it is Kennelly Casey. 217 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: It's ninety three WIBC. 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to come back to something that. 219 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: Braun said last night in the State of the State 220 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: and these people that are talking about the Bears coming 221 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: to Indiana. Yeah, because I don't think anybody's grasping what 222 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about here or the cost of this to 223 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: the people, So can I I just want to try 224 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: to frame this fir by you and I work through this. 225 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: I thought we were when you said let's talk about 226 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: the Bears. I thought you meant how they're playing the 227 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: Rams coming up on Sunday. 228 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to have the fifty dollars wager again. I'm 229 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: all in and so I think people can take stock 230 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: and what I'm about to tell you because I am 231 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: a massive Chicago Bears fan. I have been my entire life. 232 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: My grandfather was, My father was. So if anybody's into 233 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: the Bears right or understands, if you had a radio 234 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: host here in Indianapolis who could do could do a 235 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: segment on the Bears and it's followed the Bears stadium 236 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: stuff and loves the Bears. 237 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: It's going to be So you were one of the 238 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: thirty one point six million people who streamed that wild 239 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: Card game when they beat the Packers. 240 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: Over and over and over and over and over. 241 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: And I love the Bears so much I bet fifty 242 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: dollars to ensure that they want and I'm going to 243 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: do it again this week. But this is a joke 244 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: what these lawmakers are talking about. So let's just start 245 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: where we're at right now. Okay, to put this in 246 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: some perspective now with interest, et cetera. It's believed that 247 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium cost over a billion dollars. It was 248 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: twenty years ago when they built Lucas Oil Stadium. Obviously 249 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: construction costs have increased, right, but even by that time 250 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: it was Grand Gios, it was excess. See the retractable roof, 251 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: et cetera. It was it's believed the cost of Lucas 252 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Oil with the interest about one point two ish billion dollars. 253 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: We are twenty years on, almost twenty years on in 254 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium. It is nowhere close to being paid off. 255 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean we're talking hundreds and hundreds of millions of 256 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: dollars that are still owed on Lucas Oil Stadium. By 257 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: all accounts, in terms of other than benefiting in Indianapolis 258 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: and the City of Indianapolis, it has been an economic 259 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: loser for the tax payers because what they do they 260 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: force the donut counties to pay hire taxes who are 261 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: getting basically no benefit out of that for Lucas Oil Stadium. 262 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: Now you want to make an argument, it's the capital city, 263 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: it's the team. It'd be a disaster for the state 264 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: for our team to leave. Okay, we can have that conversation, 265 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: but that number is very important, that one point two billion, 266 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: because that was about the cost with interest of Lucas 267 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: Oil Stadium. When the Bears are talking about coming. They're 268 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: talking about hamm in India. They're not coming to Gary. 269 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: There's no way they're going to tour Gary and go hey, 270 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,599 Speaker 1: sign us up for that. Ham in Indiana is the 271 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: most logical location. That's northwest Indiana. 272 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: Right. 273 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: It's nowhere near the economic engine driver whatever of the 274 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: state that it's just like it is. 275 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: It is going to be an island un into itself. Right. 276 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: The Bears are in a fight with the state of Illinois, 277 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: not about the stadium itself. The Bears have said we 278 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: will pay for our own stadium. The fight is about 279 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: paying for the infrastructure and the state of Illinois, whether 280 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: it is through this dome on the current site or 281 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Arlington Heights, which is in a suburb of Chicago. 282 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: It's still in Cook County. 283 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: On both locations, the Bears have talked about paying their 284 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: own freight, paying their own way, whatever. 285 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: The issue. 286 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: The fight is around public funding for infrastructure. It is 287 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: believed at the current site that they're fighting with the 288 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: General Assembly on that that infrastructure will total Dunta DA 289 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: DA over a billion dollars. 290 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: We're not talking about a road to get you to 291 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: the stadium. 292 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: You are talking about to create an NFL football stadium 293 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: and the infrastructure and the village and the economic engine 294 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: that would happen around it, the equivalent of what you 295 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: have paid, what we are paying, what we are still 296 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: paying for Lucas Oil Stadium in the capital city, in 297 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: the economic driver of the state of Indiana, and for taxpayers. 298 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: We haven't even been able to make it work other 299 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: than for the taxpayers, the businesses whatever immediately around Lucas 300 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: Oil Stadium in twenty years for the hometown team. 301 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: Right, and you've got the population base to do it. 302 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: Here, you're telling me that you're gonna stick an NFL 303 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: stadium in northwest Indiana where in comparison to Indianapolis, there's 304 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: nothing there or going on there. And let's face it, 305 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: the people in Chicago, they may come. Let's just pretend 306 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: the Bears move to Hammon. The people in Chicago may 307 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: come from Chicago to Hamon, Indiana to go to a 308 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: Bears game. They're not staying throughout the week. 309 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: They're not gonna make a weekend go to the dunes. 310 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: You think you think, like, if it comes down to 311 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: are we gonna have let's just I'm just picking a name, right, 312 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: Let's just say Taylor Swift. You think if they told her, 313 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: because Soldier Field is not going to go away, They're 314 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: not going to get rid of Soldier Field. They're still 315 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: going to be in Chicago, Illinois. You think Taylor Swift, 316 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna tell Taylor Swift, Yeah, you're gonna have a 317 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: cant concert in Hammond, Indiana. That's not happening. So other 318 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: than the Bears, what's gonna be the primary economic driver, 319 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: because there is not. You're going to have to invent 320 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: the infrastructure from scratch, the hotels, all of these things, 321 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: the restaurants, whereas in. 322 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: Chicago not ody there. 323 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: You're right, it all exists. Now that one of the 324 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: issues with the Bear's current location. While it's beautiful that 325 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: it's on Lake Michigan itself, it is not around those things. 326 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: And that's been one of the issues. 327 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: But we are acting like this is some small thing 328 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: that would be proposed and that the Bears are talking 329 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: about paying for everything, and the State of ILLINOI is 330 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: just being just so stupid and short sighted by not 331 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: doing this. Nobody loves big government more than the State 332 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: of Illinois. Nobody loves corruption and underhandedness and special interest 333 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: and giveaways more than the state of Illinois. What the 334 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Bears are proposing is so bad that even the State 335 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: of Illinois is like, WHOA, you better hold on here. 336 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: Many people are arguing though, that if they do bring 337 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 3: the Bears to, say Hammond, it will turn that blighted 338 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 3: area around for them. 339 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Probably it's hard to go anywhere but up from ham 340 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: in Indiana. So we're going to take essentially the same 341 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: price tag that we paid for Lucas Oil Stadium, which 342 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: hasn't turned out in terms of a pure dollars and 343 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: cents to the taxpayers of central Indiana who have fronted 344 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: the freight for Lucas Oil Stadium and they couldn't make 345 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: it work. We're now going to stick a team that's 346 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: not even from Indiana. We're going to bring them into 347 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: Indiana in northwest Indiana in a blighted, dilapidated Rundown area 348 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: as a collective. And we're led to believe that the 349 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: state of Indiana and our tax are paying a billion 350 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: dollars and they're going to make that work when they 351 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: couldn't make it work for the Colts. 352 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: Your governor said that Indiana is actively working to attract them. 353 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 3: They are pursuing the Chicago Bears. 354 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: And when we talk about pursuing, we're talking about giving 355 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: them a billion dollars. Is having a second That's the 356 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: thing you need to ask yourself, is having a second 357 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: NFL team or the billion dollars of taxpayer money, because 358 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen. The idea that you're going 359 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: to create some super community where people are on a 360 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: daily basis going to live and go and whatever in 361 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: ham in Indiana is not going to happen. 362 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: What are we talking about seven weekends a. 363 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: Year, there are eight or nine NFL home games, You've 364 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: got one or two preseason games, You've got potentially playoff games. 365 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: So at the most you're talking what would that be 366 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: twelve maybe thirteen events. That's insanity. So just remember when 367 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: they're talking about quote unquote attracting the Chicago Bears, you're 368 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: going to talk about a billion dollars of taxpayer money 369 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: to pay to create that environment by which an NFL 370 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: stadium could go in in northwest Indiana, and it will 371 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: do nothing, absolutely nothing for you as a taxpayer. Hearing 372 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: my voice right now. 373 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 3: You're listening to Kennel and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC, so. 374 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: It looks like the Indiana General Assembly is about to 375 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: spurn President Trump again. 376 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: They're not going to adopt all of the elements of 377 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 3: the one Big Beautiful Bill. Possibly. You've got Representative Thompson, 378 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: you know, he's the tax guru over there at the 379 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: state House. 380 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: Smartest man in the state House. Okay, he's been at 381 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: it since the Clinton administration. He hasn't been able to 382 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: figure anything out, but he's the smartest guy in the 383 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: state House. 384 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: He said that discussions are ongoing about what they're going 385 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: to do. 386 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 1: Okay, So what we're talking about here is last year, 387 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: of course, they passed this legalized vote buying operation, better 388 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: known as the Big Beautiful Bill. And there are all 389 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: these new provisions in the tax code for the federal 390 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: tax code, but your state tax code does not have 391 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 1: to line up with whatever the federal tax code is. 392 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: Is now generally in states that are run by the 393 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: same party that the federal government is run by, so 394 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: it's Democrats with Democrats, Republicans and Republicans generally, they try 395 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: to match those up one to support the president. They 396 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: don't want the public thinking, well, if my state didn't 397 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: do it, it must not be all that great. Or you know, 398 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: the state doesn't want the federal government looking like the 399 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: good guys, et cetera, so they try to match them up. 400 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: But in the case of this legalized vote buying operation 401 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: that they enacted less year in Washington, d C. It's 402 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: so massive and unpaid for, and of course they just 403 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: turn on the printing press. The state of Indiana has 404 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: looked at a lot of these things and said, wait 405 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: a second, we can't afford it, right, we can't turn 406 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: on the printing press, and we already raised taxes by 407 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: a billion dollars. Chris, they haven't you notice, they conveniently 408 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: don't mention that publicly when they branded mentioned that last 409 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: night he talked about all the things they did, he 410 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: didn't mention out the billion dollars that he raised taxes on. 411 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: And so the state of Indiana, which is a rare 412 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: move where a state that is run by the same 413 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: party that controls Washington DC, appears set to not enact 414 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: many of the legalized vote buying operations tax laws into 415 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: their own tax code. 416 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 3: Yes, so the lawmakers they haven't decided on whether to 417 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: adopt the tax deductions for overtime wages and also the 418 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 3: tax deduction for tips, the no tax on tips element. 419 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: So basically what this means is when you would file 420 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: a tax return, and it already is this way, it's 421 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: just going to be more hectic and harder to understand, 422 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: and it's going to make these accounts a lot of 423 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: money because you'll have to hire somebody to do this 424 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: for many people. Is you will get, like, if let's 425 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: say they don't enact the no tax on tips thing, 426 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: you will be able to not pay federal income tax 427 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 1: on those tips, but on your state income tax you 428 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: will still pay that. So you would get the federal benefit, 429 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: you would just not get the state benefit. And look 430 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: that that makes sense from a from a state perspective. 431 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: Just because Trump wants to do something, we've already budgeted 432 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: around things, we've already planned things. We're not under any obligation. 433 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: It's just kind of newsworthy because they're the same party 434 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: and they're they're not aligned. But it shows you, it 435 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: shows you how massive and irresponsible that bill actually was. 436 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: Well, it shows you what Republicans in Indiana have already 437 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: determined they want to spend money on. They want to 438 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 3: spend your money on. The broad administration says that if 439 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: they can form fully to the one big beautiful bill. 440 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: It could cost Indiana over nine hundred million dollars in 441 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: two years. 442 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: And one of the this is one of the major 443 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: problems with our government and the policies they put forward. 444 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: They write laws. 445 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: To appease certain groups of people they want to vote 446 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: for them. We should have a tax policy that benefits everyone. 447 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: Like we just did a segment on the Bears, what 448 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: are we talking about them? We're going to do all 449 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: these special things for the Bears that regular people can't get. 450 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: Where the theory would be if you had a tax 451 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: policy that benefited all people, people would want to come 452 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: here and be here because the climate is good for everyone. 453 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: The problem is we write so many laws based on 454 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: who gives money to the politicians, who donates, the powerful lobbyists, 455 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: the relationships those lobbyists have, and you start carving out 456 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: these special deals for select groups. There's no way that 457 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,719 Speaker 1: all fifty states could keep par or keep pace with 458 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: what the federal government's doing because they can't print money 459 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: to make up when they're not taking in as much 460 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: money as they're spending. 461 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 3: So they're saying that there's this Senate Bill two twelve 462 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: and that Bill could adopt some but not all, of 463 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 3: the federal tax changes. And that's something they're going to 464 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: meet next Thursday and determine. 465 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: All right, let's get an update on Timothy Busfield Busfield Boosefield. 466 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's going on with him? He was arraigned or 467 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 3: he appeared in court. I know I saw videos of 468 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 3: him in an orange jumpsuit. 469 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: Okay, so a reminder, were detained without bond? Yes, what 470 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: it was? 471 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: So he tim of the bust heeled boose Field is 472 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: a fairly well known actor. I mean Field of Dreams. 473 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: He was in a thirty somethings little big League West 474 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: Wing Revenge of the Nerds. He's been in a you know, 475 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: he's never been the leading man, but he's always been 476 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: a what you would know him if you saw him. 477 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: He's the probably best known the obnoxious brother in law 478 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: who's trying to take the farm and Field of Dreams. 479 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: I think that we can put him in the uh 480 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: in the class with Grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka and 481 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: Jenny from Forrest Gump and Rose from Titanic. Just a 482 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 3: bad character. 483 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: But Mark Mark the brother Dreams right, Yeah, I. 484 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: Mean he's the one who who pushed little Karen off 485 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: the bleacher, making her choke on the hot dog, completely 486 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 3: ending the field of dreams for Moonlight Graham. 487 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: That's correct, yes, and that's very I'm so impressed you 488 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: knew that. That's very very good. I mean, you thought 489 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: the Eagles were the Jets this past weekend. So I'm 490 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: very he pressedor knew who Moonlight Graham was. 491 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 3: Timothy Boosefield Busfield. 492 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so so he. 493 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: Is kind of now more in the behind the scenes role, director, 494 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: producer type of person, and a couple of years ago 495 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: he was involved in a television show. I can't remember 496 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: exactly what the name of the show was, but there 497 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: were these young boys that were on the scene lady 498 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: the cleaning lady, thank you, and he was accused of 499 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: inappropriately touching them. Now, initially this case was reported, it 500 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: was no, no, nothing was pursued by the police. They 501 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: looked at it and they couldn't find evidence of wrongdoing 502 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: and so they said, you know, we're done here now. 503 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: Since then, allegedly new evidence, something new has been. 504 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: Presented, separate allegation came forward from a different individual. 505 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: And whatever that was then retriggered what they had looked 506 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: at before and said, okay, now there's enough to get 507 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: a warrant to apprehend this guy. Now, a lot of 508 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: people are saying that these kids were dismissed from the show, 509 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: and the this is some sort of retaliation from the 510 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: mother being mad about the kids getting dismissed from the show. Well, 511 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: they issued this warrant to get Boostfield. Nobody knows where 512 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: he's at, and he's disappeared and the marshals are getting involved, 513 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, after three days, he 514 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: randomly pops up. I think it was TMZ had the video, 515 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know if he did it for them 516 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: or it just ended up with them first or whatever. 517 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: But he's like, Hey, I don't understand what the big 518 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: deal was. I'm here in New Mexico. I had to 519 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: drive from Los Angeles to turn myself in. It was 520 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: two thousand miles. I had to get an attorney. Wasn't 521 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: running from anybody. I'm here, and people are going, wait 522 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: a second, if that was your plan. Normally, when you're 523 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: going to turn yourself in, your attorney will call the 524 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: local prosecutor. Hey, the guy lives X amount of miles away. 525 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: It's going to take him three days to get there. 526 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: He'll arrange to turn himself in on such a day. Okay, cool, 527 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: But it sounded like none of that had happened because 528 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: they were alleging they didn't know where he was at 529 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: and that's why they got the Marshalls involved. So that's weird. 530 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: It's weird that the police initially let this thing go 531 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: and then they come back and say, there's that's weird. 532 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,239 Speaker 1: And now he has turned himself in. He was in 533 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: court yesterday and he is going to be held for 534 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: now without bond. His attorney appeared. He was there in person, 535 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: The attorney appeared via some sort of virtual zoom or 536 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: whatever it was, and it sounds like in five business 537 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: days he's going to have some sort of hearing to 538 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: determine if he gets out on binding. 539 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 540 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: The judge ordered that there'd be a hearing within five days. 541 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: He did not enter a plee while he was there. 542 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's all pretty standard. I don't 543 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: think there's anything to read into any of that. The 544 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: big thing is going to be because the state has 545 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: essentially requested that he not be able at least for 546 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: now to get out in his you know, be released 547 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: and be out into decent society, and so that's going 548 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: to be interesting. You may get a little bit of 549 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: an idea on what evidence they actually have against him. 550 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're gonna get a full details, but 551 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: you may get to hear some of that coming up 552 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 1: in this hearing where they talk about whether he can 553 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: get out on bond or not, because that'll probably play 554 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: into whether the you know, the ponderance of the evidence, right, 555 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: or the evidence that's presented, and whether this's judge lets 556 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: him go. 557 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: So his wife is Melissa Gilbert, famous actress from Little 558 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 3: House in the Prairie, that's what She was president of 559 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: SAG for a long time as well, and her representation 560 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 3: is saying that she's standing by her man. 561 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: Well he was. 562 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: He issued a forceful denial. Of course, that means absolutely nothing. 563 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: See Bill Clinton right. I mean, but some of this 564 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: stuff on both sides just doesn't make sense to me. 565 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: I think everybody should keep an open mind on it, 566 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: see what the evidence is, because both sides of this 567 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 1: coin do not seem to be adding up, and there 568 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: seems to be something very off about this. 569 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: Well, there were allegations of this going back a few years. 570 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: I believe it was twenty twenty two, and Warner Brothers 571 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 3: hired an independent investigator to determine whether there was something 572 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: there or not, and they found no, nothing was there. 573 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: Well, this it relates to like he tried to like 574 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: say that he what he he tickled these kids on 575 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: the set or something. And look, everybody responds differently. But 576 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: if they're an allegation against you that you had inappropriately 577 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: touched a child, wouldn't you just refrain from touching or 578 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: being around all kids? Like wouldn't you keep a fifty 579 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: foot distance at all time? Hey, somebody tried to get 580 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: me on this before I gotta you know, got out 581 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: of it. 582 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: I'm just not even gonna get into the. 583 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: Clearly above reproach. Well, the investigator that Warner Brothers hired 584 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 3: said that he was never alone with the boys on 585 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: the set, so nothing could have there was never an 586 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: opportunity for anything inappropriate. 587 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: Well we'll see, right, I mean, the police co they 588 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: have something that they felt was warranted him being charged. 589 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: But you know, things get dismissed all the time. See 590 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: Duke Lacrosse. You get rogue prosecutors who knows what's going 591 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: on here. It'll be fascinating to see what comes out. 592 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: You're listening to Kennell and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC. 593 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Okay, here's another example that we can't solve any real problems. 594 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 2: So we're gonna we're gonna. 595 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: Go after some things that we won't even be able 596 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: to fix the whole pass law. 597 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: So you think we're gonna fix them? Did that make sense? 598 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: Or should I go we go to more detail? 599 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 3: Go? I think we should go into a little bit 600 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: more detail. 601 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: All right, possibly, are. 602 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: We talking about the breaded pork tenderloin bill again? 603 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: Somewhere? 604 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: Something different? 605 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: INDIODA Capitol Chronicle has the article. By the way, Niki 606 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Kelly for the Capitol Chronicle will be with this next hour. 607 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 1: There is a bill moving its way through the Indiana 608 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: General Assembly which would require It's called the Paid Protester Bill, 609 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: and basically this. 610 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: Is paid protester or yes, paid. 611 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: Protester lobbying bill advances to Senate with substantial edits expected. 612 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: That's the headline, and. 613 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: Basically what it's going to do is target people who 614 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: pay people to come and protest. See COVID where people 615 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: were caught on camera during the riots telling you know, 616 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: these journalists or whatever or people that they did know 617 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: we're filming them. Yeah, yeah, I got paid by so 618 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: and so and it was X amount of dollars. So 619 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm just here to cause havoc on behalf of you know, 620 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: whatever group or organization they were. 621 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: I came about DA DA DA. 622 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: And So this bill, if it moves forward, would require anybody, 623 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: someone who, let's just read the language, someone who encourages 624 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: another person to engage in an influence campaign and pays 625 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: that personal least five hundred dollars in a year, would 626 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: be required to file with the Indiana Lobby Registration Commission 627 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: within twenty four hours of handing over the cash. 628 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 3: So this would go to political influencers as well, meaning 629 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: Turning Point USA would have to file as lobbyists. 630 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: Right if they're paying people to show up now, Like 631 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: we had our property tax rally, we said we're going 632 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: to be there at such and such a time on 633 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: such and such a day if you'd like to show up, 634 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, we'll be there and to find folks from 635 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: this group or that group or whatever will be there, 636 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: and we. 637 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: Would not have been required. 638 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: We were not handing out money to come to the protest. 639 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 3: Clearly because our budget is. 640 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: Very stright our budget is zero. 641 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 3: We don't have money to barely pays let alone anyone else. 642 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: That's right, So this is an attempt to crack down 643 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: on that. And again it's a priority thing, right like, Okay, 644 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: first of all, who's going to be in charge of 645 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: enforcing it? We don't even enforce a lot of laws 646 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: we have. And now, and this is the thing that 647 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: you're going to figure to focus your time on. Okay, 648 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: But aren't there more pressing issues that we're not I 649 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: mean not even are we not getting solutions? Weren't even 650 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: addressing them anymore, And so I just it seems like 651 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: we're checking a box rather than actually solving a problem. 652 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: Do you think that this stems from all of the 653 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: heated conversations that happen over redistricting. 654 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: Well, there was no proof that I saw that anybody 655 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: was paid to be there on either side. 656 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. 657 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: Maybe they were, maybe somebody can point to because you 658 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: always hear these people are clearly paid. 659 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, Casey. 660 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: I was there for certainly the big deal the day 661 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: people were testifying. That state house full of people. I 662 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: was wandering around the whole time. I didn't hear anybody 663 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: and if you look, if you're gonna have you know, 664 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: five hundred people somewhere, the idea of keeping a secret 665 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: is pretty ludicrous. I didn't hear anybody talking about getting 666 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: paid or being paid or anybody else being paid. And 667 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: the same thing on the other side, the people who 668 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: are for redistricting, I know a bunch of those people 669 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: who So, now those people are naive enough to think 670 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: that they're going to curry favor with the governor. Oh, 671 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: we got to go f tea and cookies with Mike 672 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: and Braun. What a great treat to get to come here. 673 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: If they're stupid enough to fall for that, which based 674 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: on Braun's state of the state, how's that working out 675 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: for you? But if you want to be stupid enough 676 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: from the fault for that doesn't make you paid protester, 677 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: just makes you naive and gullible, and that's okay. 678 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: So this bill says that it would regulate influence campaigns, 679 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: which are meant to mobilize the public, encourage people to 680 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: contact state officials, and also organize protests. So does that 681 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: mean somebody like Scott Presler, who was in Plainfield and 682 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 3: all over Indiana a few days ago that he would 683 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: have to register as a lobbyist. 684 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: Then well that obviously there will be all sorts of 685 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: complaints filed if this bill passes, and I'm sure once 686 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: it hits the in this case, the full Senate, or 687 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: if it comes over to the full House, so one 688 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: of the things they're gonna have to work through is you're 689 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: going to just open the door for all sorts of 690 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: complaints to be filed against people, and then you're going 691 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: to create and this wy I come back to you're 692 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: checking a box to the public or your base or 693 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: going oh, look, we're cracking down on this. But the 694 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: lawmakers do this all the time, where they essentially take 695 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: a dump in the middle of somebody's living room and go, well, 696 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: somebody better clean that up because they don't have to 697 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: do it. It's all these people who work for the state, 698 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: these employees who already have too much to do, who 699 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: are now going to have to have something else added 700 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: to their plate to enforce this. And unless you have 701 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: razor clear language, you're right, a guy like that. 702 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: Well right, because if you're trying to mobilize the public 703 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 3: and have them contact state representation, whether it's for good 704 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 3: or for bad, that language has to be clear. 705 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: Right, the other thing, this is the most state thing ever, Casey. 706 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but we don't 707 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: have ranked choice voting in Indiana. You vote for one 708 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: person and that's your vote, and you go. To my knowledge, 709 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: we've never had ranked choice voting. Certainly not in my lifetime. 710 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: It's certainly never been an issue. But this same panel 711 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: that is moving forward with this paid paid protester bill, 712 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: they also best to bill to ban something that's not 713 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: happening in ranked choice voting. That's how they're spending their time. 714 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: Don't have ranked voting, so. 715 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 3: They're worrying about something that doesn't even exist. 716 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: No serious proposal that I'm more with any sort of 717 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: momentum to have ranked choice voting, and yet we're passing 718 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: a law to ban ranked choice voting even though it 719 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. 720 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 3: Kind of reminds me of the commission to get Illinois 721 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,360 Speaker 3: as part of Indiana. 722 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: That's right, Yes, they're never coming. There's no mechanism. There's 723 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 1: no viable mechanism by which what Casey's referencing, for those who. 724 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 2: May not be aware, is earlier this year, there was. 725 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: A commission for him to try to annex eighty three 726 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: county or eighty to thirty three counties from Illinois into Indiana. 727 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: Of course, the state of Illinois saying we're never letting 728 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: go of these counties, which they would have to do. 729 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: The federal government would then have to sign off on it. 730 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: There's no way you're going to get a two thirds 731 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: majority to allow that to happen. Oh and by the way, 732 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: these counties are completely like split up, there's no contiguity 733 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: with them, so economically infrastructure like, there's no way it 734 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: would make any sense. And then, of course Bo Baird 735 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: was caught on an interview with Breitbart laughing about it, 736 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: just saying Bo Baird is a state Rep. You remember him, 737 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: State Rep. Putnam County. He's the guy who got the 738 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: ow I that was able to hide from public scrutiny 739 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: for a long time because conveniently his name and address 740 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: were entered incorrectly into the into the register. He was 741 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: caught on Breitbart laughing about it, saying, yeah or never, 742 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: We're never do yeah. 743 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's the same thing though. 744 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 745 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: So your state Assembly, your state General Assembly is they 746 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: often are not solving any real problems, just solving invented problems. 747 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 3: Listening to Kendel and Casey. It is ninety three w 748 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 3: YBC band Holling