1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever walked into a meeting and said, pay 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: us what you owe us. 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: I don't think I said it quite like that. I 4 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: think it was more like, is compensation negotiable? 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: You know, the WNBA is just phenomenal. We used to 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: call it as a Cubs fan as a kid, we 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: used to call it snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: And that is what they keep doing over and over 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: and over again. And the fact that they, on a 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: national stage had the audacity to wear these shirts out 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: to the All Star Game. Okay, so if you have not, 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: you're not where we're talking about. The WNBA Elstar Game 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: was here over the weekend, and obviously there was a 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: bit of a I mean, it seems like everybody who 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: went had a great time. By the way, the city 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: appeared to be very safe. I guess all you gotta 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: do is unleash every IMPD officer and every available state 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: policemen in a you know. 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: Full force. 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: Maybe some people will behave themselves. And thankfully that the 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: city was appeared very safe, and that was wonderful and 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: great and great. Finally that happened. We'll see how long 23 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: that remains in full effect. But the WNBA Al Star 24 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: Game was it was Saturday night. And these players in 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: a league that has while the exact extent of the 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: finances are not clearly known, it is leaked out over 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: the years of not only do they fail to make 28 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: a profit, they have lost a colossal amount of money 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: basically every single year collectively as a league, that they 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: are the charity case for the most part of the 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: NBA owners, through political correctness whatever, will not allow women's 32 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: basketball league to fail. And for the first time, there 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: is some enthusiasm, some energy out not even the league. 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: I mean, look at the ratings when Caitlin Clark is 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: not involved in this out there right. 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: It just keeps getting reported over and over that the 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: WNBA loses fifty million dollars every year and has never 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: generated a profit. And then you have these players come 39 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: out for the All Star weekend with T shirts that 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: say pay us what you owe. It does seem like 41 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 2: maybe they're unaware of what their bottom line says, they're 42 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: not reading their well, well, they don't care. 43 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: They don't care. That's the point. It's the entitlement. And 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: this is the major knock on this league has been 45 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: This is a group. Can you imagine a business that 46 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: went twenty five years without ever turning a profit and 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: then comes out to their clientele or whoever, and it's like, 48 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: you all better shut up and pay because you're lucky 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: we're here. We joke about how this is. The British 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: Open was over the weekend, and of course there's these 51 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: live golfers, the Saudi funded golf entity that has bought 52 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: up some of the biggest names in golf, and these 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: guys when they show up to these major tournaments always 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: have the aura of a John Hughes's teen drama villain 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: about them, like they're like, what's Spader? James Spader? Like 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: if James every character James Spader ever played the eighties 57 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: was a golfer, it'd be the guys off live. Nobody 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: knows them anymore. You can't see them almost anywhere. It's 59 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: impossible to find them. But they show up to these 60 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: golf tournaments like you're lucky we're here, and that we're 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: participating in your tournament. And that is the aura that 62 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: these players had wearing these shirts that said pay us 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: what you owe us. And the response from the Internet, 64 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: not that the Internet is real life, but it just 65 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: seemed like universally, people are looking at this going, if 66 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: we pay you what we owe you, you're gonna end 67 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: up writing a check back to the owners because you 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: people have cost them millions and millions of dollars. 69 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 70 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: Well, the WNBA has experienced some significt growth, but this 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: is all due to the popularity of Caitlin Clark. And 72 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if they're talking about pay us what 73 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: we I mean. She has all sorts of endorsements, but 74 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: as far as a rookie salary goes, no, it's not 75 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: very high compared to the NBA rookies. 76 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: But look at her endorsements, right, and by the way, 77 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: there's a collectively bargained deal, right, this is the unions deal. 78 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: You can't say, oh, poor Caitlin Clark when the union 79 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: has negotiated how this works. What have we said on 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: this program for a year now? She should just leave 81 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: the league, just go be the King in his court. 82 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: King in his Court was a famed softball pitcher in 83 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties and seventies who was able to throw 84 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: a ball that nobody could hit, and so that was 85 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: the side show. He would go to various cities. He 86 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: would pitch against professional baseball players, et cetera. And he 87 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: would walk out there with a catcher, a shortstop in 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: a first basement and go good luck, and nobody could 89 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: hit him. And that was the attraction of ballparks. He 90 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: was the traveling side show, the traveling road show. She 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: should do that, but I'm sorry. We always hear how 92 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: great unions are. We always hear how fabulous unions are. 93 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: We always hear how unions are the great equalizer. This 94 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: is the deal that the union negotiated. Okay, Caitlin Clark, this 95 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: is what you make. She makes tens of millions of 96 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: dollars in endorsements, So don't cry for her, Argentina. She's 97 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: doing just fine. And the rest of these women, they 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: make what they make because they don't make any money. 99 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: Right, would anybody be as interested in the league if 100 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: it weren't for Caitlin Clark. No, we know the answer 101 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: to that. It's absolutely not. She is the one who 102 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: is getting all of the attention. 103 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: And so when you come out on a national stage, 104 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: by the way, without the player there that everybody wants 105 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: to see, and you're your salvo to the world is 106 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: give us more money, not thanks fans, not watch us work. 107 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: You know great, I'm just coming up with slogans off 108 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: the top of my head. Anything that would endear yourself 109 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: to a national audience who might be seeing you for 110 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: the first time. 111 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. 112 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: Nothing, No, it's just simply give us more money. And 113 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: so then of course it feeds on the Internet, people 114 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: finding these clips. Even in this game of basketball. 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: Of the bricks being thrown up. 116 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: You know, somebody said this on Twitter and I forget 117 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,799 Speaker 1: who it is. I would love to source the person, 118 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: but I can't remember. But the person on Twitter said, basically, 119 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: people go to sports because they want to see the 120 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: unbelievable that they can't imagine doing. That's what sports really 121 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: is all about. You can't dunk like Lebron James. You 122 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: can't throw a football like Patrick Mahomes. You can't hit 123 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: a baseball like Aaron Judge. 124 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: I can do an air ball trying to take a 125 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: lay up. 126 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: At people at the Guy study. You can throw a 127 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: brick up. You know, why did people pay to see 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson in the nineteen eighties. The fight was gonna 129 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: last a minute twenty Some dude might die in a ring, right, 130 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: not literally, but you know what I'm saying, right, you 131 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: you paid to see the unbelievable. You give of your 132 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: money to see things that you can never accomplish on 133 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: your own. The average WNBA game. I'm sorry, I'm not 134 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: trying to be mean by saying this, but since they 135 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: want to make it all about them, let's make it 136 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: all about them. You could go to your local YMCA 137 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: and s in advanced rec league and they could play 138 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: the quality of basketball. Ninety percent of the WNBA plays. 139 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: There's a couple of players there that are outstanding, Caitlin 140 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: Clark being one of them. But people are going to go, 141 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: I can do that. People want to see her because 142 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: she does things they can't do exactly. She's the one, right, 143 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: I want. 144 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: To see her hit three after three after three point? 145 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah you can. I can't do that. 146 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: She couldn't legitimately play with men consistently, but you kind 147 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: of believe maybe she could. You kind of believe, Hey, 148 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: this is the one that's different than all the rest. 149 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: And what there's some audio out that they that they 150 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: didn't even cons with her about this, that one of 151 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: the players was saying that basically, do we have that. 152 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kelsey Plum. She was she seemed to be 153 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: dissent on Caitlin Clark. 154 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: That was a very powerful moment. We didn't, at least 155 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: as players, we didn't know that that was gonna happen, 156 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: So I think it was kind of like a genuine surprise. 157 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: But the T shirt just united front was determined this 158 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: morning that we had a meeting for and you know, 159 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: not to tattletale, but zero members of Team Clark were 160 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: very present for that. But no, we were just uh, 161 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 3: we had a. 162 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: Very uh I really needed to be mentioned. 163 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: I'm trying to make a situation light. 164 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: Okay, that's the. 165 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: Only one doing anything for this league and they can't 166 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: help them sell. 167 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: But she wore the shirt she did, so she doesn't 168 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: see she keeps bending in need of these people who 169 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: hate her. So I'm done being sympathetic for her, and 170 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people over the weekend we're 171 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: done being sympathetic for her because she won't stand up 172 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: to it. She I said from the beginning, what she 173 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: needs to be the villain of that league because people 174 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: will embrace her because they hate that league. Everybody knows 175 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: what that league is, Everybody knows the real finances of 176 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: that league. Everybody knows it's been a charity case. She's 177 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: so much bigger and so much better than that league. 178 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: And what I say from the beginning, I said she 179 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: needs to come in and be a villain in every 180 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: city she goes into because the people will eat it 181 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: up because she'll be the one person speaking and saying 182 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: the truth. 183 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: Yep, she did put out a tweet over the weekend 184 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: she said, incredible weekend in Indy. Our organization gave everything 185 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: to make this the best WMDA All Star weekend yet 186 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 2: and it delivered in every way. Grateful to call this 187 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: city home and beyond thankful for the incredible fans who 188 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: brought the energy and made it special. 189 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: No, what you told me is it's about money. It's 190 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: not about growing the sport. It's not about bringing more 191 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: people in. It's not about inclusiveness. You had every opportunity 192 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: to do that, and you're statement of the world was 193 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: we deserve more money. 194 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: Give us more money so we can play this game. 195 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: Just what a horrible, horrible They don't care that those 196 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: women are fine. See, the problem is not even gotta 197 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: get a break. The problem is they know that the 198 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: NBA will not allow league to fail. They know no 199 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: matter what happens because of political correctness. They will not 200 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: allow that league to fail, so they can do or 201 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: say whatever they want to do and there will be 202 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: no reper It's the same thing about when those players 203 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty twenty twenty one, even before that, 204 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: when they were kneeling during the anthem, they knew, no 205 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: matter what they did, all in various leagues, the owners 206 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: would not have the kohones to stand up to them. 207 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: So they're like, well, just do it. We'll endear ourselves 208 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: to a very small group of people. We'll get nice publicity, 209 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: nice things written about us. Who cares who we alienate, 210 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: who cares who we piss off? Who cares the regular 211 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: people who just want to see us do our thing. 212 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: We don't care about them, because we're about us. And 213 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: that's what they did over the weekend.