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Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen, and I'm not used to these in season

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Speaker 1: under Chris Bauard, but quite the move by Chris earlier today,

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Speaker 1: two first round picks six twenty twenty seven eighty Mitchell

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Speaker 1: in what is certainly one of the biggest trades in

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Speaker 1: I want to say so again, just a massive, massive

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Speaker 1: And then you know, honestly probably the window here talking

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Speaker 1: I'll come back tomorrow. I'm recording this Tuesday afternoon, Eddie

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Speaker 1: if Chris Boward speaks tomorrow, that would be Wednesday at all.

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Speaker 1: But I want to hear from those parties involved, and

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Speaker 1: Eddie and I will do our normal Wednesday afternoon. Get

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Speaker 1: some Twitter questions, going to focus this just my thoughts

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Speaker 1: emergency podcast here, what I what I like about the trade,

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Speaker 1: that has really plagued this team, I think for a

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Speaker 1: the swing of all swings here. Who's a great baseball swing?

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Speaker 1: want to say before we sign off? You're good? All right,

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