Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to a new episode of the Frames per
Speaker 2: Second Podcast. My name is kennth Ban is joining me
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 1: It's just three of us. It's Spike and Ride. What's up,
Speaker 1: good man? So chilling, chilling, chilling, chilling, chilling.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're here to discuss the twenty twenty five film
Speaker 2: titled Him, directed by Justin Tipping.
Speaker 3: Oh, just tiff, I thought you was.
Speaker 1: I got I got it? Directed by Justin Tipping, Now
Speaker 1: You're Good, You Good?
Speaker 2: Co written by Skip Bronki, Zach Akers and Tipping, produced
Speaker 2: by Jordan Piel's Monkey Paul Productions. So I guess he
Speaker 2: just put it out. Yeah, backed got it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The cast includes Marlon Walliams, Tyreek Withers I heard you
Speaker 2: guys say earlier he was on Atlanta, Julia Fox and
Speaker 2: Tim Hydecker and some other folks you guys care about those.
Speaker 2: And it's basically a story about a young football player
Speaker 2: played by Tarique Withers uh that trains under an aging
Speaker 2: quarterback played by Marlon Wayams at an isolated compound.
Speaker 1: So uh, that's what we got.
Speaker 2: So man, it's another one of these so called elevated
Speaker 2: horror films and social commentary and we're we're in sports
Speaker 2: this time, and it was, yeah, so we'll we'll go
Speaker 2: through this movie, try out trial something different this time,
Speaker 2: you know, try a different approach.
Speaker 1: With SEEA I go.
Speaker 2: But anyway, man's let's definitely start with initial thoughts.
Speaker 4: I got to the movies in my normal time, you
Speaker 4: know this because I had to drop off Dawn.
Speaker 1: And it had started already. I was like, damn it.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't even twenty minutes in. It wasn't even
Speaker 4: like twenty minutes. Yeah, it had started already. I was like, damn, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. I thought I was good, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: see the Cole kimbit facts at least, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But but nah, Yeah, so I got there. I think
Speaker 4: I missed a little bit of the beginning. But if
Speaker 4: just using my context, was he a child first watching
Speaker 4: Marlin on TV and he gets hurt in the game.
Speaker 1: Is that what happens?
Speaker 2: And he broke his foot and the foot was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: Like a horror movies. Marlon what he plays White, Isaiah
Speaker 3: White was the dad alive at this point.
Speaker 5: And Dad was like that was one of the driving
Speaker 5: forces in that seeing his dad was like, you're in
Speaker 5: him best, the best, like just just pumping it up,
Speaker 5: getting a lot of.
Speaker 2: Positive And he also said the phrase no nuts, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's no good, no nuts glory right right.
Speaker 1: That was no guts, no glory right right right? God? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So okay, so yeah.
Speaker 4: I was just That's where I wanted to start first personally,
Speaker 4: because I wanted to make sure I understood how that started.
Speaker 4: Because I came in, I guess right when he was
Speaker 4: he was in. He was like an adult at this point,
Speaker 4: and he had we're.
Speaker 1: The start of that early.
Speaker 2: Because your movie time was that two white, it should
Speaker 2: not have started.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought, at least twenty five minutes. That's
Speaker 1: what I thought. Man.
Speaker 4: I came in and I was presently surprised people will
Speaker 4: see it watching eating a popcorn. I'm like, wait, and
Speaker 4: my At first, I didn't even think I was in
Speaker 4: the right theater. I was like, damn, I coming to
Speaker 4: the wrong one. But no, I was at the right one.
Speaker 4: I looked at my ticket, I was like, yep, there
Speaker 4: was all seats.
Speaker 1: Did you see?
Speaker 5: The point was pumping him up as far as they wish,
Speaker 5: want the news Clippers and him in high school and stuff.
Speaker 3: That's why I felt like I came in and then
Speaker 3: like he's the next.
Speaker 1: Thing and that's what I saw. So how how much
Speaker 1: did I miss You just missed it?
Speaker 4: Ad So I know I ain't missed too much because
Speaker 4: I saw the title like him come on on the screen.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I must haven't missed.
Speaker 5: That much to show how serious, Like, the only thing
Speaker 5: you miss is how serious he was training to change.
Speaker 4: So I missed that part I want the ball and
Speaker 4: like he was just serious. Okay, Okay, so I missed
Speaker 4: that part. So but nah, overall, I was like, this
Speaker 4: ain't as bad as people are making this same. These
Speaker 4: critics are making it scene, but I just felt like
Speaker 4: it just did it way more than the need to.
Speaker 4: I felt like y'all could have kept this kind of
Speaker 4: simple and it would have been a great movie, but
Speaker 4: y'all try to.
Speaker 1: Get too too too, too too cute.
Speaker 3: Y'all tried to get too creative with this, this, this,
Speaker 3: this idea, and it could have been very just solid,
Speaker 3: not to the point you could still have your windows here.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they would have dialed back just
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 4: Bit on some of the messaging and the and just
Speaker 4: the extra stuff they were doing, the extra creepy stuff.
Speaker 4: I feel like this could have been really, really solid
Speaker 4: because I think.
Speaker 1: The acting was great in it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think the I think the story the
Speaker 4: actors didn't filed this movie.
Speaker 1: The overall direction I think failed this movie.
Speaker 3: For me, ken Rod, this is high on the list
Speaker 3: of worst.
Speaker 1: Movies ever seen.
Speaker 5: That's that's funny, of worst movies that I've ever seen
Speaker 5: in my life. I agree with you on the acting standpoint,
Speaker 5: Like Waylon Waye's I feel like job, he had an
Speaker 5: excellent job. Job, it was just too extra. The storytelling
Speaker 5: was to choppy. It was like you you said something
Speaker 5: that I walked out of the thing like they had
Speaker 5: just told the story like in a regular way. I
Speaker 5: feel like this would have been a lot more effective,
Speaker 5: exactly walk out and you like, what the fuck did?
Speaker 5: I just like some a couple of people were saying
Speaker 5: that walking out of the movie, Like I was behind
Speaker 5: this couple and I think this was their cousin or something.
Speaker 1: They said. We ain't never.
Speaker 3: Letting you pick the movie. It's like I'm sor I
Speaker 3: like whatever.
Speaker 5: She was like, Nahs, it was bad, man, I just
Speaker 5: don't like the storytelling. And like I felt that same
Speaker 5: sentiment as most of the people that were walking out
Speaker 5: of the theater where I want to go see it
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 3: It's just it was too much. It was too over
Speaker 3: the top. It was hard for.
Speaker 5: No reason, right, for no reason, no reason. It's like,
Speaker 5: it's a basic story facts, but y'all made it. Y'all
Speaker 5: tried to make it confusing. Why yes, what for? Like
Speaker 5: why did you do all this extra shit? It's a
Speaker 5: basic ass story.
Speaker 1: It was bad. I was like, man, what are y'all? Man?
Speaker 1: I was like this I was it was embarrassing to watch.
Speaker 3: It was like I was looking at it, it was
Speaker 3: cringe manor and everything I had to look around to see.
Speaker 3: I was like, but people was.
Speaker 5: Like super like. It was to the point where when
Speaker 5: it was over, people were still sitting.
Speaker 3: There like just what has happen? Dude? So I get
Speaker 3: some of the criticism that ship was like, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You saying it's not as bad, but you are saying
Speaker 1: it's bad. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think I think I have to I have to
Speaker 4: I have to call I have to say it's bad.
Speaker 4: As a whole because, yeah, the acting was good. I
Speaker 4: like seeing Tyreek that's the that's the light skinned dude,
Speaker 4: right or the white passing dude.
Speaker 1: I like, I think he should.
Speaker 3: I think he should have more opportunities because I like
Speaker 3: him on screen.
Speaker 4: I think he's very unique. I like him on screen.
Speaker 4: Marlin showed a whole nother bag. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1: We all.
Speaker 3: I mean I always felt like, what's her name?
Speaker 1: What's her name? Julia?
Speaker 3: What's that I've always I always liked her as as
Speaker 3: an actress, like I like, because I liked her on
Speaker 3: GM uncunt gyms.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in the movie Mike was talking about on
Speaker 1: Netflix night, always gone, Okay, I like her.
Speaker 3: So all of these people I like, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm like, okay, they can't.
Speaker 4: They showed up. It's just the direction wasn't there. The
Speaker 4: direction failed failed this movie. And so with that, with that, yeah,
Speaker 4: the movie failed.
Speaker 2: I left this part out in my synopsis of the
Speaker 2: movie because I don't want to influence anyone, uh, but yeah.
Speaker 2: The movie was first released in Mexico September eighteen, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, and then in the US September nineteen twenty
Speaker 2: after critics were generally in that negative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys are not alone.
Speaker 2: I think that I just couldn't believe, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: like this movie at all. I know Nick said rotten
Speaker 2: tomatoes don't mean ship they got it right this time.
Speaker 2: I don't fully disagree or disagree with them, but I
Speaker 2: was like, I think they you know, I had a
Speaker 2: feeling that they weren't that off, you know, and and
Speaker 2: they were not. I didn't like it, and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: you really just made a horror movie about how football
Speaker 2: is a cult. That's really what this is about, which
Speaker 2: is fitting Spike because today is football Sunday, right and
Speaker 2: there are colt like themes. It's just like, wow, you
Speaker 2: really just this is what we're doing.
Speaker 5: The messaging was fine, it was just too overt, like
Speaker 5: it was obvious and like just too much like broke,
Speaker 5: Like you could have.
Speaker 4: Did something else to make it to drive this point home,
Speaker 4: you know. And and I see and Ken when I
Speaker 4: saw the negative reviews, and I thought it was more
Speaker 4: so because it was a slight attack on foot football.
Speaker 4: You know, America love a football and so I was
Speaker 4: just like, Okay, maybe maybe that's what it is, you know,
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, but nah, man, it just did too
Speaker 4: fucking much.
Speaker 5: And it's like, I feel like the people that are
Speaker 5: going to try and defend it and say out they
Speaker 5: like it is like, oh but you didn't get the
Speaker 5: message though, you know what the message was, Like the
Speaker 5: directing was bad, right, Yeah, the directing was bad.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: This thing was executed horribly executed, horribly, bro Like, this
Speaker 4: could have been this could have been a solid ass
Speaker 4: football story.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so let's let's we're gonna kind of go to.
Speaker 2: Like the first act at the beginning, you know how
Speaker 2: it sets up, you know, his whole story with Cam
Speaker 2: or whatever. So you know, we see, well we are
Speaker 2: to discuss you know, Cam watching the San Antonio Saviors
Speaker 2: first thing win the championship is idol as I say,
Speaker 2: oh White, I think that with some stuff in the
Speaker 2: background in terms of like you can see the religious
Speaker 2: like sort of themes, the sacrifices, which is one of
Speaker 2: the things that Camp's dad, Real men make sacrifices, So
Speaker 2: there's that whole thing in there as well. He saw
Speaker 2: the brutal injury. Then we kind of fast because you
Speaker 2: know he had the injury, Rod and a young Cam
Speaker 2: was he didn't want to look, and the dad made
Speaker 2: him look. Yeah, turned his head and made him look
Speaker 2: at it. And that's when he was like, no guts,
Speaker 2: no glory. Real men make sacrifices. So he was basically indoctrinating.
Speaker 5: His son at a very young earlier, which they feel
Speaker 5: like people feel like dads do because I was against that,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't knock it.
Speaker 4: For people for dads that do that shit, but I
Speaker 4: just never wanted to be that dad. I just never
Speaker 4: wanted to force my son into something or live out
Speaker 4: some dream that I had or some shit. I want
Speaker 4: him to have his own path, you.
Speaker 1: Know I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So, So I thought that was a good message there,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, okay, all right, cool,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, we need to see this is how Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is this real ship.
Speaker 2: And we definitely found out later that that was right
Speaker 2: right on point because Cam admitted that that was a thing,
Speaker 2: like he was living his dad's dream. Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: had regrets on how all that situation played out, right,
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you know, Cam's rising football star, you know,
Speaker 2: and his father died, but he got his family and
Speaker 2: his girlfriend who was alone to encouraged him.
Speaker 1: Was that his brother?
Speaker 4: I feel like that was his brother. Yeah, well one
Speaker 4: was his brother. One was his like homiess homie.
Speaker 2: I think the one that talked about why he didn't
Speaker 2: make it in football or something, because when he was
Speaker 2: doing an interview.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think that was his brother. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: one his brother. The other one was the silly one.
Speaker 4: He was actually kind of funny. It was just his
Speaker 4: homeboy or something like that.
Speaker 1: I do so. I was a bit.
Speaker 2: I want to ask about the casting of Tyreek Withers.
Speaker 2: It was confusing interesting, Okay. Marlon Wains later in the
Speaker 2: movie made a joke and called him a African American.
Speaker 1: Okay, mm hmm. But his parents to me, both appeared.
Speaker 3: To be His dad looked kind of mixed.
Speaker 4: Your dad looked mixed though, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4: They should have made his dad a white man because
Speaker 4: that that that would that would have made more sense
Speaker 4: than it being like a mix man black man with
Speaker 4: a dark skinned black woman that seemed like a white
Speaker 4: that seemed like a white man and a dark skin
Speaker 4: would have made him, yeah, versus mixed.
Speaker 1: Man and a dark skin would have made him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was I was I want to say, struggling with it.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't understand why this guy looked
Speaker 2: as white as he does.
Speaker 4: Kind of like the joke they made later on, like
Speaker 4: you said with Marlon Wayins and Juliet Fox, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: he looks like a mixture of.
Speaker 1: Both, like you could be all kid. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah they said that later Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was really confusing for me with with that.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I think cas Dad as white would have definitely made
Speaker 2: a little bit more sense.
Speaker 1: But on the other side of this, though.
Speaker 2: Spike, we do see that happening in the league where
Speaker 2: it's a lot more mixed raced kids that are coming
Speaker 2: into the league. We see with the NBA, we see
Speaker 2: it on Draft night, we see all these mint's families.
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, right, is the immediate go to.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's why he got cast with this role.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm yeah yeah yeah, not to do okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: because you're a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, so Rosin star but he gets attacked
Speaker 2: by a guy in a goat mask.
Speaker 3: I was out at that point that that was how
Speaker 3: soon I.
Speaker 1: Was like, what was it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like made no sense, no sense. She's like like,
Speaker 3: you ain't here this dude walk up on you with
Speaker 3: all this ship. You the only person, the only person out,
Speaker 3: your quarterback, your peripheral.
Speaker 1: Your peripheral is the best peripheral.
Speaker 5: That like, what are we talking about? I was like, bro,
Speaker 5: like it made no sense. Show that he was dreaming
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 1: That's right. No, I thought so too. It was real.
Speaker 4: That was real, bro, that happened for real. Like I
Speaker 4: was just like and I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 4: So yeah, man, I was just like, what is happening?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with you, Like I'm like, why why
Speaker 1: did they do that? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, here we go. Man, it's about
Speaker 4: to be something that's exactly what That's that's funny.
Speaker 5: That fast it was stupid because that didn't make any
Speaker 5: sense at all. And then to go to the transitions
Speaker 5: like sorry skip a little bit, like to him being
Speaker 5: at the doctor and they was like talking through and
Speaker 5: he had the stables and I was like, oh that
Speaker 5: was real, Like that was crazy.
Speaker 2: Because you were talking about because that you know, all
Speaker 2: this is related. Yeah, that's gonna get to the next point,
Speaker 2: and I have about you know, how he ended up
Speaker 2: where he's at. But yeah, it was actually real distables
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking to myself, I was like, said,
Speaker 5: they is that much? I thought it wouldn't I always thinking.
Speaker 5: I was like, so, they're not gonna tell us what
Speaker 5: happened to his head, Like they're just gonna leave it dream.
Speaker 3: Thing, Like that's what they're gonna go with. Why he
Speaker 3: got the stables in his head.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So his agent Tom, which is also Isaiah's agent,
Speaker 2: they made sure that we knew that because they pointed
Speaker 2: out the conflict of interest. He has a chance because
Speaker 2: right now Cam was at a party with his friends
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. He's kind of stressing out. He
Speaker 2: snapping at people, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So he in the tub.
Speaker 2: His agent called and he said going to say and said,
Speaker 2: we're gonna tell a league, you know part. But the
Speaker 2: offer is you have one week of training with Isaiah
Speaker 2: at his desert compound to prove he's the next QB.
Speaker 2: Also keep in mind that the name of the team
Speaker 2: is the Saviors. The owner of the team was an
Speaker 2: old white man, and there was some other kind of
Speaker 2: religious reference. I didn't get that note because I only
Speaker 2: watched this once. I wasn't going back to watch this
Speaker 2: with captions on. So yeah, so anyway, so yeah, so
Speaker 2: that that's it. So then we run into Marlon Walls
Speaker 2: and he is up goes run into Marlon Wains. So
Speaker 2: you got to say, Marlon ways like the expectations for him,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys had any, but for
Speaker 2: the most part he delivered orready seed it.
Speaker 4: I did not have high expectations for him based on
Speaker 4: the few clips I saw. I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I want to see him like this, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, But nah, man, he pleasantly surprised me
Speaker 4: as far as you know the intensity of him or whatever,
Speaker 4: you know, we know him to be, you know, funny.
Speaker 3: So to see him in this role I thought he did.
Speaker 3: I thought he did a good job.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I was prepared to see him in a serious role.
Speaker 5: I think from bel Air bel Air he plays Will's dad.
Speaker 5: Oh really, he's straight.
Speaker 3: Like like Will's dad or uncle Phil.
Speaker 5: Will's dad, all his actual like this, similar to the
Speaker 5: sitcoms Dad come, you know, try to be a part of.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 3: He's it's straight. Seriously, he's he nails it. Great job.
Speaker 5: So I had some expectations and he fulfilled him. It
Speaker 5: was like similar to him and bel Air and the
Speaker 5: role that he plays there. So I think again, he
Speaker 5: did a great job. Man, it's just the direction of
Speaker 5: the film's terrible. Like it's like almost like they made
Speaker 5: this without the notion that people had to watch it,
Speaker 5: Like y'all just made it trying to be creative and
Speaker 5: I want to show this to my friends, and I
Speaker 5: got this message that I'm trying to like this is
Speaker 5: for the audience, right, they were like they completely ignored
Speaker 5: the audience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, for sure, they didn't read the room. No,
Speaker 4: they didn't read the room. And I think they tried
Speaker 4: to do like some Jordan Piel stuff. But it's not
Speaker 4: that it's not that he don't go over the top
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 3: He does some subtle like oh, make you think type stuff,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's not like this like this is different.
Speaker 3: It's like they did it wrong.
Speaker 4: It's like you tried to emulate something he does and
Speaker 4: you did it completely wrong.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we got sacrifice, legacy tops some masculinity.
Speaker 1: Blood price that was paid as well.
Speaker 2: So allo of some opening themes and then we're at
Speaker 2: the compound and things start to kind of take a turn,
Speaker 2: and then we see more of the horror elements come
Speaker 2: into play. We have a lot of different training methods
Speaker 2: that we get a chance to witness. You know, the
Speaker 2: football machine that was Master of People's head. We have
Speaker 2: Cam being ejected with uh something we know we later
Speaker 2: found out what it was.
Speaker 3: I mean, he said it the white man's blood. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he said it. You said blood, Yeah, it looked like blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it. Matter of fact, you like that legal.
Speaker 2: I thought that was Isaiah was having his blood drained
Speaker 2: and then the trainer gave him the blood.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know if it said anyway.
Speaker 6: It was confronted him at the end he said it yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: But I didn't know if they said that earlier. I
Speaker 6: thought they were kind of being secret, uh hallucinations, paranoid.
Speaker 6: You know, there's a sign a tap by Craze Fan
Speaker 6: uh which Isaiah killed Elsie, seduced Cam. You know, Isaiah
Speaker 6: confronted him with the guy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Uh, there's a secret party with Savers owners. So there's
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff that's that's packed it to
Speaker 2: this this second part here, So let's talk about the training.
Speaker 2: What you guys think about the training? Was it disturbing?
Speaker 1: Was over the top? Were they trying to be in
Speaker 1: a little too extra again.
Speaker 5: To extra two over to talk like I hate to
Speaker 5: keep saying the same thing, but there was a more
Speaker 5: simple way to tell this story and to afford to
Speaker 5: be a lot more effective now, Like some of the
Speaker 5: shots were great, some of the like videography and things
Speaker 5: of that nature were really impressive. It was like it
Speaker 5: just wasn't matching it from a storytelling standpoint, Like just
Speaker 5: the story was clunky. It was like what am I
Speaker 5: looking at?
Speaker 4: It made it confusing for no reason. It's like why
Speaker 4: are you doing this? And then it upsets you?
Speaker 5: Like that's what y'all was trying to say, right that
Speaker 5: that that's yeah, that's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 3: Like the ending of the scenes never made like it.
Speaker 5: Was like, Okay, y'all could have got there a lot
Speaker 5: quicker than being so dramatic about.
Speaker 3: It, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like do you really have to make this this dramatic?
Speaker 5: Like like even with the crazed fans, like we get it,
Speaker 5: you ain't got to do all that, why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want you her spinning on the window,
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like do y'all got you got to make them
Speaker 4: look like lunatic? It's like over the top, Like why
Speaker 4: are you making this so over the top?
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I just didn't. How the hell she
Speaker 1: get in there too?
Speaker 3: I know, probably got a secret tunnel or something that
Speaker 3: they then dug.
Speaker 1: Out or something. They said.
Speaker 3: They just trying to make it seem like crazy, like
Speaker 3: super crazy fans, and it's like they ain't that crazy.
Speaker 3: You fee what I'm saying, Like like you know you're
Speaker 3: gonna get escorted our box security or even shot or
Speaker 3: like you know that you can't do trespass this place.
Speaker 4: And even if you like you said, how do they
Speaker 4: get that far? Like gotta have cameras. It's just none
Speaker 4: of that stuff just made it stistic.
Speaker 1: It wasn't realistic.
Speaker 3: So it's just like this like it was a stylistic
Speaker 3: way of telling this story that just man, it just
Speaker 3: was upsetting.
Speaker 1: It's like why are y'all doing this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting hit with the football was crazy though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that ship was that shit was wild, but right right,
Speaker 2: they just kept doing it over and over again at
Speaker 2: some point his whole face should have been broken, you know,
Speaker 2: like he should added some type of fractures or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: Footballs are heavy, it's like eight pounds or some shit
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then showing the different like I think they kind
Speaker 2: of crashed into each other and the.
Speaker 1: X ray kind of.
Speaker 2: Visuals of I guess what happens with the body collides
Speaker 2: and ship like that, when you had trauma and stuff.
Speaker 1: It was it was a lot going on.
Speaker 2: I think the football was the training one, and then
Speaker 2: I think at one point they were like, oh, we
Speaker 2: just gonna have some fun today.
Speaker 1: They went out and then I think.
Speaker 2: He shot one of the mascots and.
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, there was h So did he he
Speaker 1: shot and killed a mascot? Yeah? And that's just it. Yea.
Speaker 5: It was nothing like that again in the storytelling didn't
Speaker 5: make sistence like what happens, what consequences and stuff.
Speaker 1: Did even though he was shooting like a person in there,
Speaker 1: like they just kind of just like that was it.
Speaker 3: And I feel like.
Speaker 5: They did that with all the like killings in there too.
Speaker 5: It was just like this is a normal part of
Speaker 5: everyday life. The story that we're telling, like he just
Speaker 5: killed somebody talking about.
Speaker 2: Ye, could that also be showing like he's well now,
Speaker 2: because we like so, I was gonna say, like he's
Speaker 2: kind of slowly becoming Isaiah because he just killed that
Speaker 2: person and didn't even think about it and just moved on.
Speaker 2: But we didn't see him even have to deal with
Speaker 2: the repercussions of that, meaning that we didn't see him
Speaker 2: no knowingly know that he killed an actual person and
Speaker 2: that he was just shooting at a target that wasn't live,
Speaker 2: and then seeing him saying, oh, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 3: That's part of the problem. The whole time, he was.
Speaker 5: Acting like all of this shit was like normal and
Speaker 5: like he expected it, like these people doing this ceremony
Speaker 5: and dressed up in these weird ass his costumes, and
Speaker 5: this lady trying to seduce you, this crazy fan breaking
Speaker 5: the sauna. But his temperament towards all of it was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I guess this is a part of it. Yeah, And
Speaker 5: I don't think it was bad acting on his part.
Speaker 5: I think he was directed.
Speaker 1: To do that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like in horror movies, I think some of the times
Speaker 5: what makes it greate is the reaction that the people
Speaker 5: have to the big bad like seeing like, oh, I
Speaker 5: would be just as terrified if I were in this situation,
Speaker 5: I would be just as anxious or nervous or whatever
Speaker 5: it may be.
Speaker 3: He never gave that in any of these situations. It
Speaker 3: was like he knew he was normal, Like yeah, what's happening?
Speaker 4: Like this ain't no normal combine? Like what do we
Speaker 4: what you noticing? He was never surprised by any of it?
Speaker 1: Did away? Let's talk about was creepy? Help man? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was? Yeah. What did y'all think about her? Like?
Speaker 2: Was she manipulative to just get tragic figure in this
Speaker 2: whole situation?
Speaker 1: Like what did you all think about her?
Speaker 2: Just insignificand just in general until the end when they
Speaker 2: tried to give her more?
Speaker 1: Who is that? That's Julia? That's Julia Fox.
Speaker 4: That was I say, his wife, right yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because remember she had the party with it. We don't
Speaker 2: know if they slept together or not. And yeah, then
Speaker 2: later on she was kind of part of the transition
Speaker 2: to the colt and you know.
Speaker 3: Was she the one dressed up in the white stuff
Speaker 3: in the end? Was that her.
Speaker 1: Sheet? She the one with the with the she had?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember she cut the guy's head off
Speaker 2: at the party and stuff like that, because the guy
Speaker 2: told him to run, you know, ran, he thought on her.
Speaker 1: We don't have to have any thoughts on her, I
Speaker 1: just asking.
Speaker 4: I feel like she was fine. I like to si
Speaker 4: I like her as as an actress or whatever. But again,
Speaker 4: I think direction it just you know, she just she was,
Speaker 4: you just working within the confines.
Speaker 1: Of what she she had or whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think she played the role of the
Speaker 4: rich wife, you know, downfall of of any football.
Speaker 1: Type type figure or whatever.
Speaker 4: I think I think everything was a was a symbol
Speaker 4: of something, and I think she played it fine, you know,
Speaker 4: like she was there to seduce him and the people.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that that was it.
Speaker 2: How long did it take before y'all was like, oh,
Speaker 2: y'all giving him Isaiah's blood.
Speaker 1: First injection, second objection. I figured that from the jump.
Speaker 4: I mean, they put too much emphasis on it, Like
Speaker 4: why I put that much emphasis on it?
Speaker 3: And then you immediately after you object him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then he woke up.
Speaker 3: They was trying to rip it out his arm.
Speaker 2: Well that was later on, after a couple but yeah,
Speaker 2: because that that came after he was at the party.
Speaker 2: So at the party, that's when he he basically agreed
Speaker 2: to become the nets great and they gave him basically
Speaker 2: almost an ultimatum like if you're there, you know, you're
Speaker 2: either gonna do it or you don't, but this is
Speaker 2: your only chance, you know. Also, Isaiah didn't go because
Speaker 2: he's gonna stay and he wanted to watch film that
Speaker 2: kept coming around. He's just gonna stay and watch film.
Speaker 2: So he had drunk the cup and then the cup
Speaker 2: he passed out and that's when he woke up. And
Speaker 2: I guess that's when he saw everything for what it
Speaker 2: truthfully is, and that's when he ripped out the ivy
Speaker 2: from his arm. So anyway, what about justin Tipping, did
Speaker 2: you guys feel like he did a good job of
Speaker 2: missing horror with sports rituals because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: you know, ritual kinography, satanic stuff, because at some point
Speaker 2: it's easy to see that this is the cult that's
Speaker 2: going on. How did you think he did at least
Speaker 2: with that part of the movie.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think you did a great job because the
Speaker 5: correlation is a lot more similar.
Speaker 3: Than he presented it.
Speaker 5: MM, Like, yes, it's there, and had the story not
Speaker 5: been so abstract. I think those similarities that you're speaking
Speaker 5: of between coldness and fandom, they would have stuck out
Speaker 5: even more the But the reason it was muted is
Speaker 5: because it's all of this wild like you overstated the
Speaker 5: presentation of it. So now that takes away from the
Speaker 5: messaging in the sense of damn, you're right, like it's
Speaker 5: almost we should have came to that realization without him
Speaker 5: saying it so much on Yeah, exactly like we should
Speaker 5: have been like, damn, I never realized how much sports
Speaker 5: and cults were like until like they were showing the
Speaker 5: similarities without just overstating it.
Speaker 1: But he overstated it.
Speaker 3: To you, like, yeah, we knew that already, overstating and
Speaker 3: stylizing it. It's it's just like why like like do
Speaker 3: it in a like almost in like almost like in
Speaker 3: an obvious way.
Speaker 4: But then like you said, just like, oh, damn, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I didn't think about it like that.
Speaker 4: There was no cleverness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't clever.
Speaker 3: You were just trying to be too directing extra like for.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, you have goats and coats, goats and sports.
Speaker 4: You got talking about ghats, talking about saviors, and it's
Speaker 4: just like you just like acting like we dumb.
Speaker 5: It's like really, it's like you're saying you sound smart
Speaker 5: to the nigga who dumb?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which which pushes us into the final actor part
Speaker 2: of the movie where we can finally learn what it
Speaker 2: takes to be a goat, you know.
Speaker 1: So now we're going to talk about whether or not
Speaker 1: the ending paid off.
Speaker 4: Even not that part, but it was even it was
Speaker 4: even a part where where the sports medicine guy, I
Speaker 4: guess that's who he played as he he said something
Speaker 4: is like, you know, it's like a gladiator and only
Speaker 4: one will leave, so you know what's coming, And were like,
Speaker 4: bro's again you acting like we're dumb, Like you're gonna
Speaker 4: just throw that in our face, like like oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he walk He confronts Isaiah.
Speaker 2: Isaiah's laying up looking at film, which is nothing but
Speaker 2: his fans, you know, and that we learned that goats
Speaker 2: game power through blood transfusions, and that this is something
Speaker 2: that they've been doing for a while now, you know,
Speaker 2: and there can only be one goat you know, at
Speaker 2: a time, you know, so, and.
Speaker 1: They have a fight to the death and uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I mentioned it because he already has
Speaker 5: said he foreshadow oh.
Speaker 1: And that his father arranged the whole thing too. She
Speaker 1: put that out. We have to fight. What do y'all
Speaker 1: think about the fight?
Speaker 3: I didn't like the reaction.
Speaker 5: So like those the those normal white men when the
Speaker 5: only one that had a sub the right reaction to
Speaker 5: what was going on. They was like, oh, we thought
Speaker 5: this was to be smooth and he bucking. I thought
Speaker 5: this was gonna go cause he wanted to be the
Speaker 5: goal like it usually goes, and then for it to
Speaker 5: turn into turning to him killing them all, which is
Speaker 5: gonna be obvious as well.
Speaker 3: Uh, it was almost like again.
Speaker 5: He expected all of this like y'all presented to him.
Speaker 5: Y'all presented him to us the people that are viewing
Speaker 5: this as a football player. But never once in this
Speaker 5: movie did it address like I think you said earlier
Speaker 5: roch right.
Speaker 3: Uh, he went in there coliseum.
Speaker 5: And killed maybe five six people and then he killed
Speaker 5: somebody earlier, Like it never was it established why he
Speaker 5: was okay with just killing people right like you play football,
Speaker 5: bro right, Like what what is happening right now? And
Speaker 5: he had to go in there and he made this
Speaker 5: decision in the coliseum. Okay, I'm frona fight this quarterback
Speaker 5: to the death and also kill all of these other things.
Speaker 5: He killed it, He killed these other things that attributed
Speaker 5: to you know, me wanting to be the golden these
Speaker 5: gluepholes you have to jump through to be the goat,
Speaker 5: like I guess kind of breaking the system down or
Speaker 5: whatever it may be. But how was he okay with
Speaker 5: all of this? They never phased.
Speaker 2: Him and just go ahead, yeah, yeah, Well, I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: you know, he kills Cam and then he goes out,
Speaker 2: walks out into the thing, and then Elsie's there and
Speaker 2: the owners are there and they want him to sign
Speaker 2: this contract or else. And that's when he gets the
Speaker 2: hammer and the sword and just start brutally murdering everybody
Speaker 2: except Tom and but Tom.
Speaker 1: Got caught in a pendergram and.
Speaker 4: She's first going back to the fight like kind of
Speaker 4: like what fight was saying he like I thought he
Speaker 4: was gonna go there with it, But.
Speaker 1: Like, why are we fighting? Why do we fighting?
Speaker 5: Why are we fighting for to the death? Why are
Speaker 5: we fighting to the death for this spot? Why aren't
Speaker 5: we seeing who is the most skilled for the spot?
Speaker 5: Like that doesn't make sense, Like like like why are
Speaker 5: we Why.
Speaker 3: Are we fighting to the death for the spot survivals?
Speaker 1: Uh, remember they can only be one too, it's for
Speaker 1: his foot.
Speaker 3: But it's football we're talking about this, ain't This ain't
Speaker 3: a more to combat.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there something similar that happened in any given.
Speaker 3: Sunday when no old man and will baby it was, yeah,
Speaker 3: but they were they were they were like taking like
Speaker 3: steroids and stuff like you trying to get better, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: but he wasn't trying to He wasn't trying.
Speaker 1: To kill him, right, No, No, No, there wasn't that
Speaker 1: part of it. But I guess that was it.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, here's a young guy coming in and
Speaker 2: trying to take your spot. Remember when he was shooting
Speaker 2: the guys Like, yeah, Well he said I like to
Speaker 2: earn everything that I exactly, which I guess played into
Speaker 2: why he rejected the offer. But he said, but you know,
Speaker 2: if I hit, maybe I'll let you keep QB one,
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, at some point those on top
Speaker 2: have to go down and somebody at the bottom and
Speaker 2: I take that spot.
Speaker 4: So why are they we're talking about Yeah, we're talking
Speaker 4: about football though, this, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, how did it get so extremestre at this point. No,
Speaker 5: I get it, I get it, but but it's saying
Speaker 5: that makes no sense. It makes no sense to fight
Speaker 5: to the death for this spot because what if he's trash?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, like you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, trash because that's what the blood transfusion and
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It was to ensure that he was definitely going to
Speaker 1: be good. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So but so it's like like make them play off
Speaker 4: for like, like, see who's the better quarterback?
Speaker 1: Here's the question, like, now who's the better fighter? This
Speaker 1: ain't about the better killer and.
Speaker 3: Who Like how does the world respond to the goat
Speaker 3: being killed?
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was gonna ask. That was the
Speaker 2: glaring hole that I had, Like.
Speaker 3: This man is the most popular athlete in the world.
Speaker 5: He got eight championships, and you just killed him, and
Speaker 5: you're like you're gonna go play football, right, and.
Speaker 2: Now you've got bodies Nobody's gonna ask where is Isaiah.
Speaker 2: That's like if Tom Brady just disappeared off the face. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people think he's to go. He's not my goal, but
Speaker 2: you know it's crazy. Yeah, if he just just what
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan just disappear and then Lebron's there.
Speaker 1: They were like, well, what happened to Jordan Lebron? She
Speaker 1: killed me? Right or you know right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it ain't even be more believable if they
Speaker 4: competed for this spot to me.
Speaker 5: And we understand it is horror, So there are going
Speaker 5: to be unbelievable things, but at least make them.
Speaker 1: It looks like you're trying to make it.
Speaker 4: Make some my thing's white, Like, you can even make
Speaker 4: that horrific, like even if you are competing like you
Speaker 4: could be. They could be kind of like the Long
Speaker 4: Walk when Nigga was walking on this fucking broken foot.
Speaker 4: Facts you can make you can make that horrific like still,
Speaker 4: but just make it like fu just make it about
Speaker 4: football realistic man, like like this Nigga just just keeps
Speaker 4: throwing into this fucking on is out of the second show,
Speaker 4: the whole like fucking extra show a cl torn and
Speaker 4: you're still trying to run through that like like show
Speaker 4: something like that. That's gonna be like, oh god, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Not them fighting to the death
Speaker 4: and he hitting them with a trophy and a helmet. Man,
Speaker 4: that ship was whack man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, embarrassing. Like I said, I was cringey after I
Speaker 1: thought the killing everybody that part was like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was super. They went there like what y'all They like,
Speaker 1: we got to.
Speaker 2: End this movie they wanted to really was yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: They were like, we're gonna give y'all something. It was
Speaker 2: supposed to be. I felt like, this is supposed to
Speaker 2: be the moment everybody's supposed to leave it and talk
Speaker 2: about it was the glorious, bloodiest part of the movie
Speaker 2: that we've seen up to this point. And this guy
Speaker 2: with this broken arm, it walked out and just killed
Speaker 2: a bunch of old people, and that was supposed to be.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh my god, we're gonna get them
Speaker 2: to this one, and I felt like it.
Speaker 1: Didn't work.
Speaker 3: This This ending reminded me of the ending of uh
Speaker 3: was it Sorry About You.
Speaker 1: Working? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: But that movie was better because it wasn't that over
Speaker 5: to the top, like they just ruined it at the
Speaker 5: end with that It's all alert, But this one was
Speaker 5: reminding me.
Speaker 3: Of that, like' just gonna keep going.
Speaker 1: You got witness, you got chi leaders.
Speaker 3: There ain't nobody gonna say nothing like like you.
Speaker 1: Oh and don't forget when you want them to.
Speaker 5: The guy he jumped like, oh you got band people,
Speaker 5: you got chi leader's man people, and you just killed
Speaker 5: all these people in front.
Speaker 3: And they just looking like it's just it's normal, it's happening.
Speaker 3: It worked there, Like, what's going on? I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's you know you're talking about because
Speaker 2: there's a conversation about the exportation of athletes, you know,
Speaker 2: going back earlier when he said, oh, take your clothes
Speaker 2: off so you can oh yeah, and he dropped everything
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, yeah, we didn't mean you
Speaker 2: to take your underwear off, right.
Speaker 1: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how uncomfortable he was, but how willingly he
Speaker 2: was able to do it. We talk about the draft
Speaker 2: and how they do the similar things in the draft.
Speaker 2: You know, there's this whole situation about, you know, fathers
Speaker 2: grooming their kids to be this whole thing that happened
Speaker 2: with Cam in an interview, said that he told us
Speaker 2: that he wanted to do it his dad died, which
Speaker 2: was probably the colt killing his dad to give him
Speaker 2: motivation to move forward because he had already opted out
Speaker 2: of football, so he took his dad off the board
Speaker 2: to inspire him to continue the legacy part this whole thing,
Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, how all of them because of
Speaker 2: course it's no surprise that the agent was involved, because
Speaker 2: they made it a point to tell us that Isaiah's
Speaker 2: also is agent as well, so you know so, and
Speaker 2: then that's it, and he kills everybody. He walks into
Speaker 2: the desert and that is basically the movie. So closing thoughts,
Speaker 2: did this movie succeed as a sports scorer? I think
Speaker 2: the answer is no. Some everything you guys are saying.
Speaker 3: I think Jordan Peel better be careful my closing.
Speaker 1: Thoughts Boom, That's where I wanted to go.
Speaker 2: B I kind of acted on a little bit started
Speaker 2: the question Jordan Peele and it was funny.
Speaker 1: B Brent. Yeah, easy and uh, but he kind of
Speaker 1: had a point about whether Jordan Piel is falling off.
Speaker 1: But the argument against.
Speaker 2: It was that these are not his movies, his name
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: He needs to do that.
Speaker 2: He needs to stop doing that because people went to
Speaker 2: this movie because his name is on it. They went
Speaker 2: to see Candy Man because his name was on it,
Speaker 2: and TV and.
Speaker 3: That the TV shows bad that he did too. I'm
Speaker 3: not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Probably yeah it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say the wrong name, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I think him, I don't know if this movie
Speaker 2: fits in the Monkey Paul productions, like.
Speaker 1: Uh, filmography or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't feel like if I get why
Speaker 2: he would sign something like that.
Speaker 1: But did he read the script at all?
Speaker 3: Is he trying to They claim he liked the story,
Speaker 3: the story could have been on write, if it was
Speaker 3: executed better, if it was directed better.
Speaker 1: I think, well, you.
Speaker 4: Know what, No, I don't know, because the story had
Speaker 4: all this shit in it like that, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like because because the whole time I'm watching
Speaker 2: the movie, I'm asking myself these questions, why did Jordan
Speaker 2: Peel get this? But at the same time, I like,
Speaker 2: I could see him liking the story. But then I'm like,
Speaker 2: but did he even watch the movie?
Speaker 1: Did he see the results of the story? Did he
Speaker 1: like the idea of.
Speaker 2: The movie or story and not how it was actually told?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like what was you know? Yeah you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, no, he probably liked the idea. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard his words. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But because I'm like, bro, why would you even do
Speaker 3: this because it had Jordan Peel air.
Speaker 1: Ye, for sure, they just did it wrong.
Speaker 2: Do you think that they were definitely I guess it's
Speaker 2: obvious that they were definitely trying to go You guys
Speaker 2: said earlier they were trying to go for Jordan Peele abs.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that was also part of the problem,
Speaker 1: is that they.
Speaker 5: Tried They should have asked for his advice if they
Speaker 5: was gonna try to go his thing, because I I
Speaker 5: think that he's a better storyteller than it's based off
Speaker 5: get out, based off us. I didn't see the Nope
Speaker 5: the Nope joint, but I haven't heard bad things about
Speaker 5: the story. Some people didn't like, you know, how it
Speaker 5: paid off or whatever it may.
Speaker 1: Be, but payoff wasn't that great.
Speaker 5: I feel like he don't lack storytelling skill, and that's
Speaker 5: what needed to happen in this film, Like somebody didn't
Speaker 5: know how to tell a story better needed to step
Speaker 5: in and kind of like round the edges.
Speaker 3: It was too rough around the edges.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, he.
Speaker 5: Gotta be careful with his name, even if it's Jordan
Speaker 5: Peel esque. I feel like if he gonna put his
Speaker 5: name on stuff moving forward and then he has to
Speaker 5: influence the storyteller somewhere in somewhere. And I don't know
Speaker 5: if you want to over if that's overstepping as just
Speaker 5: a production company. But I feel like with take A
Speaker 5: twenty four you mentioned for example, it seems like even
Speaker 5: though it really isn't because it's many different directors, but
Speaker 5: does an A twenty four style of film, and it
Speaker 5: usually gives that same like storytelling style in all of
Speaker 5: those films even though it's not the same directors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like.
Speaker 5: You see A twenty four, you kind of know what
Speaker 5: to explain with Jordan Peel now, like you said, the
Speaker 5: story is similar to his type of story, but the
Speaker 5: storytelling ain't like it need.
Speaker 1: To be in Trouble brouh.
Speaker 2: I know everybody like to watch out in big trouble,
Speaker 2: saying many Yeah, the reaction and the response hasn't been
Speaker 2: good to this this movie so far. Yeah, and uh
Speaker 2: so I don't know, I don't know, but this this
Speaker 2: one ain't it so yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh I want to than Mike seeing like this.
Speaker 4: He probably ain't seen it yet, but I will I
Speaker 4: do one. I can't imagine him liking this. I don't
Speaker 4: think he was like this.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I'll be surprised if he likes it.
Speaker 4: I mean, he already don't like football, as I can't
Speaker 4: imagine blacking football horror.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I don't know. I can't imagine him liking it.
Speaker 5: I wish ab was able to come. He said he
Speaker 5: didn't hate it.
Speaker 1: He didn't hate it.
Speaker 3: He said it was med, he said it was mid,
Speaker 3: but he said he didn't hate it.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of I think, That's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 5: think mid is way too high of a grade. So
Speaker 5: I would have loved to know why you thought.
Speaker 4: The reason why I think is closer to me would
Speaker 4: be because of the acting. I really like the acting
Speaker 4: in it. I just hate the execution.
Speaker 1: Wayns was the best performance? Is there worse at all?
Speaker 1: Worse performance in this? Is there a bad performance in this?
Speaker 1: It really wasn't a lot of bad. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the brother was on. The brother was fine, the
Speaker 1: mother was selling it, even even if the girlfriend she
Speaker 1: was good.
Speaker 3: Like like, that's what I'm saying that this The actors
Speaker 3: didn't failed this movie.
Speaker 4: The directors failed this story telling. Yeah, it was the
Speaker 4: way they told it. It was the way they told
Speaker 4: it because even the sports agent was fine.
Speaker 3: The met sports medicine guy was fine.
Speaker 1: Which had like a ranking of greating system.
Speaker 4: We need we need some We do need something like
Speaker 4: that like directing acting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do need something like that.
Speaker 3: Kind of like how we do it the Yeah, we
Speaker 3: definitely got to start because this would have been zeros
Speaker 3: across the board for actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think how like I think you
Speaker 4: mentioned that the way it looks some of the scenes
Speaker 4: were it was cool.
Speaker 1: Cinematography could be fine, but it's almost like a music
Speaker 1: video or something.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was.
Speaker 5: You know, does this music video background or something, because
Speaker 5: that's what it felt like a music video?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that million percent because you.
Speaker 4: Got flashes here and there of these scenes and yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, man, well we're gonna leave it there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know what you guys think about Jordan's pills.
Speaker 1: Uh produced movie him. But it's actually really it's all
Speaker 1: on Justin Tipple.
Speaker 2: Yes, his name is all over Jordan Piel, just put
Speaker 2: it out. But we are you know, you know how
Speaker 2: people do. Man, Nah, that's Jordan Peel. Shit.
Speaker 1: They don't talk about Jordan Peel.
Speaker 2: They don't even they probably don't even know justin until now. Anyway, Man,
Speaker 2: let us know what you guys think about the movie.
Speaker 1: Man, we'll leave it there. We'll catch you guys next
Speaker 1: time we are out. Piece