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Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to a new episode of the Frames per

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Speaker 2: Second Podcast. My name is kennth Ban is joining me

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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 1: It's just three of us. It's Spike and Ride. What's up,

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Speaker 1: good man? So chilling, chilling, chilling, chilling, chilling.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we're here to discuss the twenty twenty five film

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Speaker 2: titled Him, directed by Justin Tipping.

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Speaker 3: Oh, just tiff, I thought you was.

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Speaker 1: I got I got it? Directed by Justin Tipping, Now

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Speaker 1: You're Good, You Good?

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Speaker 2: Co written by Skip Bronki, Zach Akers and Tipping, produced

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Speaker 2: by Jordan Piel's Monkey Paul Productions. So I guess he

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Speaker 2: just put it out. Yeah, backed got it.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: The cast includes Marlon Walliams, Tyreek Withers I heard you

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Speaker 2: guys say earlier he was on Atlanta, Julia Fox and

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Speaker 2: Tim Hydecker and some other folks you guys care about those.

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Speaker 2: And it's basically a story about a young football player

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Speaker 2: played by Tarique Withers uh that trains under an aging

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Speaker 2: quarterback played by Marlon Wayams at an isolated compound.

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Speaker 1: So uh, that's what we got.

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Speaker 2: So man, it's another one of these so called elevated

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Speaker 2: horror films and social commentary and we're we're in sports

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Speaker 2: this time, and it was, yeah, so we'll we'll go

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Speaker 2: through this movie, try out trial something different this time,

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Speaker 2: you know, try a different approach.

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Speaker 1: With SEEA I go.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, man's let's definitely start with initial thoughts.

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Speaker 4: I got to the movies in my normal time, you

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Speaker 4: know this because I had to drop off Dawn.

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Speaker 1: And it had started already. I was like, damn it.

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't even twenty minutes in. It wasn't even

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Speaker 4: like twenty minutes. Yeah, it had started already. I was like, damn, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. I thought I was good, Like

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I thought I was gonna

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Speaker 1: see the Cole kimbit facts at least, you know what

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Speaker 4: But but nah, Yeah, so I got there. I think

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Speaker 4: I missed a little bit of the beginning. But if

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Speaker 4: just using my context, was he a child first watching

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Speaker 4: Marlin on TV and he gets hurt in the game.

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Speaker 1: Is that what happens?

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Speaker 2: And he broke his foot and the foot was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was.

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Speaker 3: Like a horror movies. Marlon what he plays White, Isaiah

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Speaker 3: White was the dad alive at this point.

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Speaker 5: And Dad was like that was one of the driving

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Speaker 5: forces in that seeing his dad was like, you're in

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Speaker 5: him best, the best, like just just pumping it up,

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Speaker 5: getting a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Positive And he also said the phrase no nuts, no, no,

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Speaker 2: that's no good, no nuts glory right right.

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Speaker 1: That was no guts, no glory right right right? God? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So okay, so yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was just That's where I wanted to start first personally,

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Speaker 4: because I wanted to make sure I understood how that started.

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Speaker 4: Because I came in, I guess right when he was

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Speaker 4: he was in. He was like an adult at this point,

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Speaker 4: and he had we're.

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Speaker 1: The start of that early.

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Speaker 2: Because your movie time was that two white, it should

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Speaker 2: not have started.

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought, at least twenty five minutes. That's

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Speaker 1: what I thought. Man.

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Speaker 4: I came in and I was presently surprised people will

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Speaker 4: see it watching eating a popcorn. I'm like, wait, and

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Speaker 4: my At first, I didn't even think I was in

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Speaker 4: the right theater. I was like, damn, I coming to

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Speaker 4: the wrong one. But no, I was at the right one.

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Speaker 4: I looked at my ticket, I was like, yep, there

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Speaker 1: Did you see?

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Speaker 5: The point was pumping him up as far as they wish,

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Speaker 5: want the news Clippers and him in high school and stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's why I felt like I came in and then

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Speaker 1: Thing and that's what I saw. So how how much

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Speaker 1: did I miss You just missed it?

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Speaker 4: Ad So I know I ain't missed too much because

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Speaker 4: I saw the title like him come on on the screen.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I must haven't missed.

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Speaker 5: That much to show how serious, Like, the only thing

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Speaker 4: So I missed that part I want the ball and

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Speaker 4: like he was just serious. Okay, Okay, so I missed

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Speaker 4: that part. So but nah, overall, I was like, this

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Speaker 4: ain't as bad as people are making this same. These

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Speaker 4: critics are making it scene, but I just felt like

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Speaker 4: it just did it way more than the need to.

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Speaker 4: I felt like y'all could have kept this kind of

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Speaker 4: simple and it would have been a great movie, but

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Speaker 4: y'all try to.

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Speaker 1: Get too too too, too too cute.

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Speaker 3: Y'all tried to get too creative with this, this, this,

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Speaker 3: this idea, and it could have been very just solid,

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Speaker 3: not to the point you could still have your windows here.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like they would have dialed back just

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Speaker 4: Bit on some of the messaging and the and just

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Speaker 4: the extra stuff they were doing, the extra creepy stuff.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this could have been really, really solid

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Speaker 1: The acting was great in it.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think the I think the story the

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Speaker 4: actors didn't filed this movie.

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Speaker 1: The overall direction I think failed this movie.

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Speaker 3: For me, ken Rod, this is high on the list

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Speaker 3: of worst.

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Speaker 1: Movies ever seen.

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Speaker 5: That's that's funny, of worst movies that I've ever seen

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Speaker 5: in my life. I agree with you on the acting standpoint,

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Speaker 5: Like Waylon Waye's I feel like job, he had an

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Speaker 5: excellent job. Job, it was just too extra. The storytelling

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Speaker 5: was to choppy. It was like you you said something

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Speaker 5: that I walked out of the thing like they had

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Speaker 5: just told the story like in a regular way. I

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Speaker 5: feel like this would have been a lot more effective,

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Speaker 5: exactly walk out and you like, what the fuck did?

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Speaker 5: I just like some a couple of people were saying

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Speaker 5: that walking out of the movie, Like I was behind

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Speaker 5: this couple and I think this was their cousin or something.

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Speaker 1: They said. We ain't never.

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Speaker 3: Letting you pick the movie. It's like I'm sor I

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Speaker 5: She was like, Nahs, it was bad, man, I just

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Speaker 5: don't like the storytelling. And like I felt that same

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Speaker 5: of the theater where I want to go see it

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Speaker 3: It's just it was too much. It was too over

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Speaker 5: No reason, right, for no reason, no reason. It's like,

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Speaker 5: it's a basic story facts, but y'all made it. Y'all

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Speaker 5: tried to make it confusing. Why yes, what for? Like

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Speaker 5: why did you do all this extra shit? It's a

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Speaker 5: basic ass story.

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Speaker 1: It was bad. I was like, man, what are y'all? Man?

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Speaker 1: I was like this I was it was embarrassing to watch.

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Speaker 3: It was like I was looking at it, it was

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Speaker 3: I was like, but people was.

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Speaker 5: Like super like. It was to the point where when

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Speaker 5: it was over, people were still sitting.

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Speaker 3: There like just what has happen? Dude? So I get

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Speaker 3: some of the criticism that ship was like, yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: You saying it's not as bad, but you are saying

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Speaker 1: it's bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think I think I have to I have to

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Speaker 4: I have to call I have to say it's bad.

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Speaker 4: As a whole because, yeah, the acting was good. I

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Speaker 4: like seeing Tyreek that's the that's the light skinned dude,

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Speaker 4: right or the white passing dude.

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Speaker 1: I like, I think he should.

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Speaker 3: I think he should have more opportunities because I like

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Speaker 3: him on screen.

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Speaker 4: I think he's very unique. I like him on screen.

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Speaker 4: Marlin showed a whole nother bag. I thought that was cool.

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Speaker 1: We all.

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Speaker 3: I mean I always felt like, what's her name?

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Speaker 1: What's her name? Julia?

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Speaker 3: What's that I've always I always liked her as as

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Speaker 1: So yeah, in the movie Mike was talking about on

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Speaker 1: Netflix night, always gone, Okay, I like her.

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Speaker 3: So all of these people I like, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm like, okay, they can't.

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Speaker 4: They showed up. It's just the direction wasn't there. The

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Speaker 4: direction failed failed this movie. And so with that, with that, yeah,

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Speaker 4: the movie failed.

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Speaker 2: I left this part out in my synopsis of the

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Speaker 2: movie because I don't want to influence anyone, uh, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: The movie was first released in Mexico September eighteen, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, and then in the US September nineteen twenty

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Speaker 2: after critics were generally in that negative.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys are not alone.

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Speaker 2: I think that I just couldn't believe, Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: like this movie at all. I know Nick said rotten

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Speaker 2: tomatoes don't mean ship they got it right this time.

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Speaker 2: I don't fully disagree or disagree with them, but I

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Speaker 2: they were not. I didn't like it, and I'm like, bro,

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Speaker 2: you really just made a horror movie about how football

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Speaker 2: is a cult. That's really what this is about, which

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Speaker 2: is fitting Spike because today is football Sunday, right and

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Speaker 2: there are colt like themes. It's just like, wow, you

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Speaker 2: really just this is what we're doing.

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Speaker 5: The messaging was fine, it was just too overt, like

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Speaker 5: it was obvious and like just too much like broke,

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Speaker 4: Did something else to make it to drive this point home,

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Speaker 4: you know. And and I see and Ken when I

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Speaker 4: saw the negative reviews, and I thought it was more

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Speaker 4: so because it was a slight attack on foot football.

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Speaker 4: You know, America love a football and so I was

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Speaker 5: And it's like, I feel like the people that are

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Speaker 5: like it is like, oh but you didn't get the

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Speaker 5: message though, you know what the message was, Like the

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Speaker 5: directing was bad, right, Yeah, the directing was bad.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: This thing was executed horribly executed, horribly, bro Like, this

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Speaker 4: could have been this could have been a solid ass

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Speaker 4: football story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so let's let's we're gonna kind of go to.

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Speaker 2: Like the first act at the beginning, you know how

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Speaker 2: it sets up, you know, his whole story with Cam

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Speaker 2: to discuss you know, Cam watching the San Antonio Saviors

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Speaker 2: first thing win the championship is idol as I say,

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Speaker 2: oh White, I think that with some stuff in the

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Speaker 2: the things that Camp's dad, Real men make sacrifices, So

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Speaker 2: there's that whole thing in there as well. He saw

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Speaker 4: For people for dads that do that shit, but I

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Speaker 2: And we definitely found out later that that was right

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't understand why this guy looked

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Speaker 2: I think cas Dad as white would have definitely made

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Speaker 2: Spike, we do see that happening in the league where

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's why he got cast with this role.

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Speaker 3: I was out at that point that that was how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like made no sense, no sense. She's like like,

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Speaker 1: Your peripheral is the best peripheral.

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Speaker 5: like it made no sense. Show that he was dreaming

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Speaker 1: That's right. No, I thought so too. It was real.

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Speaker 4: That was real, bro, that happened for real. Like I

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Speaker 3: Bro?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm with you, Like I'm like, why why

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, here we go. Man, it's about

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Speaker 5: That fast it was stupid because that didn't make any

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Speaker 2: Because you were talking about because that you know, all

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Speaker 2: and I have about you know, how he ended up

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking to myself, I was like, said,

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Speaker 3: Thing, Like that's what they're gonna go with. Why he

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So his agent Tom, which is also Isaiah's agent,

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Speaker 1: So he in the tub.

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Speaker 2: His agent called and he said going to say and said,

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Speaker 2: offer is you have one week of training with Isaiah

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Speaker 2: watched this once. I wasn't going back to watch this

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys had any, but for

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Speaker 4: I did not have high expectations for him based on

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Speaker 4: if I want to see him like this, you know

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, But nah, man, he pleasantly surprised me

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Speaker 4: as far as you know the intensity of him or whatever,

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Speaker 3: So to see him in this role I thought he did.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I was prepared to see him in a serious role.

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Speaker 5: I think from bel Air bel Air he plays Will's dad.

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Speaker 5: Oh really, he's straight.

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Speaker 3: Like like Will's dad or uncle Phil.

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Speaker 5: Will's dad, all his actual like this, similar to the

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Speaker 3: He's it's straight. Seriously, he's he nails it. Great job.

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Speaker 5: So I had some expectations and he fulfilled him. It

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Speaker 5: did a great job. Man, it's just the direction of

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Speaker 5: the film's terrible. Like it's like almost like they made

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Speaker 5: Like y'all just made it trying to be creative and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, for sure, they didn't read the room. No,

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Speaker 3: He does some subtle like oh, make you think type stuff,

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Speaker 4: It's like you tried to emulate something he does and

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Speaker 4: you did it completely wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we got sacrifice, legacy tops some masculinity.

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Speaker 1: Blood price that was paid as well.

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Speaker 2: So allo of some opening themes and then we're at

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Speaker 3: I mean, he said it the white man's blood. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he said it. You said blood, Yeah, it looked like blood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it. Matter of fact, you like that legal.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was Isaiah was having his blood drained

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Speaker 1: But I didn't know if it said anyway.

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Speaker 6: You know, there's a sign a tap by Craze Fan

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Speaker 6: uh which Isaiah killed Elsie, seduced Cam. You know, Isaiah

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Uh, there's a secret party with Savers owners. So there's

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff that's that's packed it to

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Speaker 2: What you guys think about the training? Was it disturbing?

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Speaker 1: Was over the top? Were they trying to be in

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Speaker 5: To extra two over to talk like I hate to

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Speaker 4: It made it confusing for no reason. It's like why

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Speaker 4: are you doing this? And then it upsets you?

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Speaker 5: Like that's what y'all was trying to say, right that

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Speaker 3: Like the ending of the scenes never made like it.

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Speaker 5: Was like, Okay, y'all could have got there a lot

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Speaker 3: It, Like what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Like do you really have to make this this dramatic?

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Speaker 5: Like like even with the crazed fans, like we get it,

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Speaker 5: you ain't got to do all that, why.

443
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want you her spinning on the window,

444
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: and then.

445
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, like do y'all got you got to make them

446
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 4: look like lunatic? It's like over the top, Like why

447
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 4: are you making this so over the top?

448
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: I just didn't. I just didn't. How the hell she

449
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: get in there too?

450
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 3: I know, probably got a secret tunnel or something that

451
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 3: they then dug.

452
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: Out or something. They said.

453
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 3: They just trying to make it seem like crazy, like

454
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 3: super crazy fans, and it's like they ain't that crazy.

455
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 3: You fee what I'm saying, Like like you know you're

456
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 3: gonna get escorted our box security or even shot or

457
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: like you know that you can't do trespass this place.

458
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 4: And even if you like you said, how do they

459
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 4: get that far? Like gotta have cameras. It's just none

460
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 4: of that stuff just made it stistic.

461
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't realistic.

462
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 3: So it's just like this like it was a stylistic

463
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: way of telling this story that just man, it just

464
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 3: was upsetting.

465
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: It's like why are y'all doing this?

466
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting hit with the football was crazy though, Yeah,

467
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: like that ship was that shit was wild, but right right,

468
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: they just kept doing it over and over again at

469
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: some point his whole face should have been broken, you know,

470
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: like he should added some type of fractures or something

471
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: like that.

472
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: Footballs are heavy, it's like eight pounds or some shit

473
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: like that.

474
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, then showing the different like I think they kind

475
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: of crashed into each other and the.

476
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: X ray kind of.

477
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: Visuals of I guess what happens with the body collides

478
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: and ship like that, when you had trauma and stuff.

479
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: It was it was a lot going on.

480
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: I think the football was the training one, and then

481
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: I think at one point they were like, oh, we

482
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: just gonna have some fun today.

483
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: They went out and then I think.

484
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: He shot one of the mascots and.

485
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, there was h So did he he

486
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: shot and killed a mascot? Yeah? And that's just it. Yea.

487
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 5: It was nothing like that again in the storytelling didn't

488
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 5: make sistence like what happens, what consequences and stuff.

489
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: Did even though he was shooting like a person in there,

490
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: like they just kind of just like that was it.

491
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: And I feel like.

492
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 5: They did that with all the like killings in there too.

493
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,239
Speaker 5: It was just like this is a normal part of

494
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 5: everyday life. The story that we're telling, like he just

495
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 5: killed somebody talking about.

496
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: Ye, could that also be showing like he's well now,

497
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: because we like so, I was gonna say, like he's

498
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: kind of slowly becoming Isaiah because he just killed that

499
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: person and didn't even think about it and just moved on.

500
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: But we didn't see him even have to deal with

501
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: the repercussions of that, meaning that we didn't see him

502
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 2: no knowingly know that he killed an actual person and

503
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 2: that he was just shooting at a target that wasn't live,

504
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: and then seeing him saying, oh, yeah, it's fine.

505
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: That's part of the problem. The whole time, he was.

506
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 5: Acting like all of this shit was like normal and

507
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 5: like he expected it, like these people doing this ceremony

508
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 5: and dressed up in these weird ass his costumes, and

509
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 5: this lady trying to seduce you, this crazy fan breaking

510
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 5: the sauna. But his temperament towards all of it was like, oh,

511
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 5: I guess this is a part of it. Yeah, And

512
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 5: I don't think it was bad acting on his part.

513
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 5: I think he was directed.

514
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: To do that. Yeah.

515
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 5: Like in horror movies, I think some of the times

516
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 5: what makes it greate is the reaction that the people

517
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 5: have to the big bad like seeing like, oh, I

518
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 5: would be just as terrified if I were in this situation,

519
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 5: I would be just as anxious or nervous or whatever

520
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 5: it may be.

521
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 3: He never gave that in any of these situations. It

522
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 3: was like he knew he was normal, Like yeah, what's happening?

523
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: Like this ain't no normal combine? Like what do we

524
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 4: what you noticing? He was never surprised by any of it?

525
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: Did away? Let's talk about was creepy? Help man? Yeah?

526
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: It was? Yeah. What did y'all think about her? Like?

527
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: Was she manipulative to just get tragic figure in this

528
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: whole situation?

529
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: Like what did you all think about her?

530
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 2: Just insignificand just in general until the end when they

531
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: tried to give her more?

532
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: Who is that? That's Julia? That's Julia Fox.

533
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 4: That was I say, his wife, right yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: Because remember she had the party with it. We don't

535
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: know if they slept together or not. And yeah, then

536
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: later on she was kind of part of the transition

537
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: to the colt and you know.

538
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: Was she the one dressed up in the white stuff

539
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 3: in the end? Was that her.

540
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: Sheet? She the one with the with the she had?

541
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember she cut the guy's head off

542
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: at the party and stuff like that, because the guy

543
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: told him to run, you know, ran, he thought on her.

544
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: We don't have to have any thoughts on her, I

545
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: just asking.

546
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: I feel like she was fine. I like to si

547
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 4: I like her as as an actress or whatever. But again,

548
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: I think direction it just you know, she just she was,

549
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 4: you just working within the confines.

550
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Of what she she had or whatever.

551
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 4: I mean, I think she played the role of the

552
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 4: rich wife, you know, downfall of of any football.

553
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: Type type figure or whatever.

554
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: I think I think everything was a was a symbol

555
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 4: of something, and I think she played it fine, you know,

556
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 4: like she was there to seduce him and the people.

557
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: You know.

558
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that that was it.

559
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 2: How long did it take before y'all was like, oh,

560
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: y'all giving him Isaiah's blood.

561
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: First injection, second objection. I figured that from the jump.

562
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 4: I mean, they put too much emphasis on it, Like

563
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 4: why I put that much emphasis on it?

564
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: And then you immediately after you object him.

565
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, then he woke up.

566
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 3: They was trying to rip it out his arm.

567
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: Well that was later on, after a couple but yeah,

568
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: because that that came after he was at the party.

569
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: So at the party, that's when he he basically agreed

570
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: to become the nets great and they gave him basically

571
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: almost an ultimatum like if you're there, you know, you're

572
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: either gonna do it or you don't, but this is

573
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: your only chance, you know. Also, Isaiah didn't go because

574
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: he's gonna stay and he wanted to watch film that

575
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: kept coming around. He's just gonna stay and watch film.

576
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: So he had drunk the cup and then the cup

577
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: he passed out and that's when he woke up. And

578
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: I guess that's when he saw everything for what it

579
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 2: truthfully is, and that's when he ripped out the ivy

580
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: from his arm. So anyway, what about justin Tipping, did

581
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: you guys feel like he did a good job of

582
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: missing horror with sports rituals because there's a lot of

583
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: you know, ritual kinography, satanic stuff, because at some point

584
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: it's easy to see that this is the cult that's

585
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: going on. How did you think he did at least

586
00:28:58,520 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: with that part of the movie.

587
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't.

588
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 5: I don't think you did a great job because the

589
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 5: correlation is a lot more similar.

590
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: Than he presented it.

591
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 5: MM, Like, yes, it's there, and had the story not

592
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 5: been so abstract. I think those similarities that you're speaking

593
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 5: of between coldness and fandom, they would have stuck out

594
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 5: even more the But the reason it was muted is

595
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: because it's all of this wild like you overstated the

596
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 5: presentation of it. So now that takes away from the

597
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 5: messaging in the sense of damn, you're right, like it's

598
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: almost we should have came to that realization without him

599
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 5: saying it so much on Yeah, exactly like we should

600
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 5: have been like, damn, I never realized how much sports

601
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 5: and cults were like until like they were showing the

602
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 5: similarities without just overstating it.

603
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: But he overstated it.

604
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: To you, like, yeah, we knew that already, overstating and

605
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: stylizing it. It's it's just like why like like do

606
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: it in a like almost in like almost like in

607
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: an obvious way.

608
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 4: But then like you said, just like, oh, damn, you

609
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I didn't think about it like that.

610
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 4: There was no cleverness.

611
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't clever.

612
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: You were just trying to be too directing extra like for.

613
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: What Yeah, you have goats and coats, goats and sports.

614
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: You got talking about ghats, talking about saviors, and it's

615
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: just like you just like acting like we dumb.

616
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 5: It's like really, it's like you're saying you sound smart

617
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 5: to the nigga who dumb?

618
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, which which pushes us into the final actor part

619
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: of the movie where we can finally learn what it

620
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: takes to be a goat, you know.

621
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: So now we're going to talk about whether or not

622
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: the ending paid off.

623
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: Even not that part, but it was even it was

624
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: even a part where where the sports medicine guy, I

625
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: guess that's who he played as he he said something

626
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: is like, you know, it's like a gladiator and only

627
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: one will leave, so you know what's coming, And were like,

628
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: bro's again you acting like we're dumb, Like you're gonna

629
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: just throw that in our face, like like oh.

630
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he walk He confronts Isaiah.

631
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: Isaiah's laying up looking at film, which is nothing but

632
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: his fans, you know, and that we learned that goats

633
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: game power through blood transfusions, and that this is something

634
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: that they've been doing for a while now, you know,

635
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: and there can only be one goat you know, at

636
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: a time, you know, so, and.

637
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: They have a fight to the death and uh.

638
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I mentioned it because he already has

639
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: said he foreshadow oh.

640
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: And that his father arranged the whole thing too. She

641
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: put that out. We have to fight. What do y'all

642
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: think about the fight?

643
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: I didn't like the reaction.

644
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 5: So like those the those normal white men when the

645
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 5: only one that had a sub the right reaction to

646
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 5: what was going on. They was like, oh, we thought

647
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 5: this was to be smooth and he bucking. I thought

648
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 5: this was gonna go cause he wanted to be the

649
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 5: goal like it usually goes, and then for it to

650
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 5: turn into turning to him killing them all, which is

651
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: gonna be obvious as well.

652
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: Uh, it was almost like again.

653
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 5: He expected all of this like y'all presented to him.

654
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 5: Y'all presented him to us the people that are viewing

655
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 5: this as a football player. But never once in this

656
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: movie did it address like I think you said earlier

657
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 5: roch right.

658
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: Uh, he went in there coliseum.

659
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 5: And killed maybe five six people and then he killed

660
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 5: somebody earlier, Like it never was it established why he

661
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 5: was okay with just killing people right like you play football,

662
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 5: bro right, Like what what is happening right now? And

663
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 5: he had to go in there and he made this

664
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 5: decision in the coliseum. Okay, I'm frona fight this quarterback

665
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: to the death and also kill all of these other things.

666
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 5: He killed it, He killed these other things that attributed

667
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 5: to you know, me wanting to be the golden these

668
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 5: gluepholes you have to jump through to be the goat,

669
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 5: like I guess kind of breaking the system down or

670
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 5: whatever it may be. But how was he okay with

671
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 5: all of this? They never phased.

672
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: Him and just go ahead, yeah, yeah, Well, I'm just saying, like,

673
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: you know, he kills Cam and then he goes out,

674
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: walks out into the thing, and then Elsie's there and

675
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: the owners are there and they want him to sign

676
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: this contract or else. And that's when he gets the

677
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: hammer and the sword and just start brutally murdering everybody

678
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: except Tom and but Tom.

679
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: Got caught in a pendergram and.

680
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: She's first going back to the fight like kind of

681
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: like what fight was saying he like I thought he

682
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: was gonna go there with it, But.

683
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: Like, why are we fighting? Why do we fighting?

684
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 5: Why are we fighting for to the death? Why are

685
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: we fighting to the death for this spot? Why aren't

686
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: we seeing who is the most skilled for the spot?

687
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 5: Like that doesn't make sense, Like like like why are

688
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 5: we Why.

689
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: Are we fighting to the death for the spot survivals?

690
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: Uh, remember they can only be one too, it's for

691
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: his foot.

692
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: But it's football we're talking about this, ain't This ain't

693
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 3: a more to combat.

694
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: Wasn't there something similar that happened in any given.

695
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: Sunday when no old man and will baby it was, yeah,

696
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: but they were they were they were like taking like

697
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 3: steroids and stuff like you trying to get better, right, yeah,

698
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: but he wasn't trying to He wasn't trying.

699
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: To kill him, right, No, No, No, there wasn't that

700
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: part of it. But I guess that was it.

701
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: Like, you know, here's a young guy coming in and

702
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: trying to take your spot. Remember when he was shooting

703
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: the guys Like, yeah, Well he said I like to

704
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: earn everything that I exactly, which I guess played into

705
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: why he rejected the offer. But he said, but you know,

706
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: if I hit, maybe I'll let you keep QB one,

707
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, at some point those on top

708
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: have to go down and somebody at the bottom and

709
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: I take that spot.

710
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 4: So why are they we're talking about Yeah, we're talking

711
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: about football though, this, I.

712
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: Mean, how did it get so extremestre at this point. No,

713
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 5: I get it, I get it, but but it's saying

714
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 5: that makes no sense. It makes no sense to fight

715
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: to the death for this spot because what if he's trash?

716
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, like you know what

717
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 5: I'm saying, trash because that's what the blood transfusion and

718
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 5: stuff like that.

719
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: It was to ensure that he was definitely going to

720
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: be good. Yeah.

721
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: So but so it's like like make them play off

722
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: for like, like, see who's the better quarterback?

723
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: Here's the question, like, now who's the better fighter? This

724
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: ain't about the better killer and.

725
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: Who Like how does the world respond to the goat

726
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 3: being killed?

727
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was gonna ask. That was the

728
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: glaring hole that I had, Like.

729
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: This man is the most popular athlete in the world.

730
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 5: He got eight championships, and you just killed him, and

731
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 5: you're like you're gonna go play football, right, and.

732
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: Now you've got bodies Nobody's gonna ask where is Isaiah.

733
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: That's like if Tom Brady just disappeared off the face. Yeah,

734
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: people think he's to go. He's not my goal, but

735
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: you know it's crazy. Yeah, if he just just what

736
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan just disappear and then Lebron's there.

737
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: They were like, well, what happened to Jordan Lebron? She

738
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: killed me? Right or you know right?

739
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it ain't even be more believable if they

740
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: competed for this spot to me.

741
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: And we understand it is horror, So there are going

742
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 5: to be unbelievable things, but at least make them.

743
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: It looks like you're trying to make it.

744
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 4: Make some my thing's white, Like, you can even make

745
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: that horrific, like even if you are competing like you

746
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: could be. They could be kind of like the Long

747
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 4: Walk when Nigga was walking on this fucking broken foot.

748
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 4: Facts you can make you can make that horrific like still,

749
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 4: but just make it like fu just make it about

750
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 4: football realistic man, like like this Nigga just just keeps

751
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: throwing into this fucking on is out of the second show,

752
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: the whole like fucking extra show a cl torn and

753
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: you're still trying to run through that like like show

754
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: something like that. That's gonna be like, oh god, you

755
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Not them fighting to the death

756
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: and he hitting them with a trophy and a helmet. Man,

757
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 4: that ship was whack man.

758
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, embarrassing. Like I said, I was cringey after I

759
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: thought the killing everybody that part was like, yeah, that

760
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: was super. They went there like what y'all They like,

761
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: we got to.

762
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: End this movie they wanted to really was yeah, you're right.

763
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: They were like, we're gonna give y'all something. It was

764
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: supposed to be. I felt like, this is supposed to

765
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: be the moment everybody's supposed to leave it and talk

766
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: about it was the glorious, bloodiest part of the movie

767
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: that we've seen up to this point. And this guy

768
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: with this broken arm, it walked out and just killed

769
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of old people, and that was supposed to be.

770
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: It was like, oh my god, we're gonna get them

771
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: to this one, and I felt like it.

772
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: Didn't work.

773
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: This This ending reminded me of the ending of uh

774
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: was it Sorry About You.

775
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: Working? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah.

776
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 5: But that movie was better because it wasn't that over

777
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 5: to the top, like they just ruined it at the

778
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 5: end with that It's all alert, But this one was

779
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: reminding me.

780
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: Of that, like' just gonna keep going.

781
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: You got witness, you got chi leaders.

782
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: There ain't nobody gonna say nothing like like you.

783
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: Oh and don't forget when you want them to.

784
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 5: The guy he jumped like, oh you got band people,

785
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 5: you got chi leader's man people, and you just killed

786
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 5: all these people in front.

787
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 3: And they just looking like it's just it's normal, it's happening.

788
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: It worked there, Like, what's going on? I don't understand.

789
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's you know you're talking about because

790
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: there's a conversation about the exportation of athletes, you know,

791
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: going back earlier when he said, oh, take your clothes

792
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: off so you can oh yeah, and he dropped everything

793
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, yeah, we didn't mean you

794
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: to take your underwear off, right.

795
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: That was crazy.

796
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how uncomfortable he was, but how willingly he

797
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: was able to do it. We talk about the draft

798
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: and how they do the similar things in the draft.

799
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: You know, there's this whole situation about, you know, fathers

800
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 2: grooming their kids to be this whole thing that happened

801
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: with Cam in an interview, said that he told us

802
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: that he wanted to do it his dad died, which

803
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 2: was probably the colt killing his dad to give him

804
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: motivation to move forward because he had already opted out

805
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 2: of football, so he took his dad off the board

806
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: to inspire him to continue the legacy part this whole thing,

807
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: you know, but yeah, how all of them because of

808
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: course it's no surprise that the agent was involved, because

809
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: they made it a point to tell us that Isaiah's

810
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: also is agent as well, so you know so, and

811
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: then that's it, and he kills everybody. He walks into

812
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 2: the desert and that is basically the movie. So closing thoughts,

813
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: did this movie succeed as a sports scorer? I think

814
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 2: the answer is no. Some everything you guys are saying.

815
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: I think Jordan Peel better be careful my closing.

816
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: Thoughts Boom, That's where I wanted to go.

817
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: B I kind of acted on a little bit started

818
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: the question Jordan Peele and it was funny.

819
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: B Brent. Yeah, easy and uh, but he kind of

820
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: had a point about whether Jordan Piel is falling off.

821
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: But the argument against.

822
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: It was that these are not his movies, his name

823
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: on it.

824
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: He needs to do that.

825
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: He needs to stop doing that because people went to

826
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: this movie because his name is on it. They went

827
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: to see Candy Man because his name was on it,

828
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: and TV and.

829
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 3: That the TV shows bad that he did too. I'm

830
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: not mistaken.

831
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: Probably yeah it was. Yeah.

832
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: I don't want to say the wrong name, but yeah, yeah, yeah,

833
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: So I think him, I don't know if this movie

834
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: fits in the Monkey Paul productions, like.

835
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: Uh, filmography or whatever.

836
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't feel like if I get why

837
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: he would sign something like that.

838
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: But did he read the script at all?

839
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: Is he trying to They claim he liked the story,

840
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: the story could have been on write, if it was

841
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: executed better, if it was directed better.

842
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: I think, well, you.

843
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 4: Know what, No, I don't know, because the story had

844
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: all this shit in it like that, Like I don't know.

845
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: I feel like because because the whole time I'm watching

846
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 2: the movie, I'm asking myself these questions, why did Jordan

847
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Peel get this? But at the same time, I like,

848
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: I could see him liking the story. But then I'm like,

849
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: but did he even watch the movie?

850
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: Did he see the results of the story? Did he

851
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: like the idea of.

852
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: The movie or story and not how it was actually told?

853
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like what was you know? Yeah you know what

854
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, no, he probably liked the idea. Yeah yeah, yeah.

855
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: I haven't heard his words. I don't know.

856
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: But because I'm like, bro, why would you even do

857
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: this because it had Jordan Peel air.

858
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: Ye, for sure, they just did it wrong.

859
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: Do you think that they were definitely I guess it's

860
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: obvious that they were definitely trying to go You guys

861
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: said earlier they were trying to go for Jordan Peele abs.

862
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: Do you think that that was also part of the problem,

863
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: is that they.

864
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 5: Tried They should have asked for his advice if they

865
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 5: was gonna try to go his thing, because I I

866
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 5: think that he's a better storyteller than it's based off

867
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 5: get out, based off us. I didn't see the Nope

868
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: the Nope joint, but I haven't heard bad things about

869
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 5: the story. Some people didn't like, you know, how it

870
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 5: paid off or whatever it may.

871
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: Be, but payoff wasn't that great.

872
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 5: I feel like he don't lack storytelling skill, and that's

873
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 5: what needed to happen in this film, Like somebody didn't

874
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 5: know how to tell a story better needed to step

875
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 5: in and kind of like round the edges.

876
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: It was too rough around the edges.

877
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: Uh.

878
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, he.

879
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 5: Gotta be careful with his name, even if it's Jordan

880
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 5: Peel esque. I feel like if he gonna put his

881
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 5: name on stuff moving forward and then he has to

882
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 5: influence the storyteller somewhere in somewhere. And I don't know

883
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 5: if you want to over if that's overstepping as just

884
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 5: a production company. But I feel like with take A

885
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: twenty four you mentioned for example, it seems like even

886
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 5: though it really isn't because it's many different directors, but

887
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 5: does an A twenty four style of film, and it

888
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 5: usually gives that same like storytelling style in all of

889
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 5: those films even though it's not the same directors.

890
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like.

891
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 5: You see A twenty four, you kind of know what

892
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 5: to explain with Jordan Peel now, like you said, the

893
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 5: story is similar to his type of story, but the

894
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 5: storytelling ain't like it need.

895
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: To be in Trouble brouh.

896
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: I know everybody like to watch out in big trouble,

897
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: saying many Yeah, the reaction and the response hasn't been

898
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: good to this this movie so far. Yeah, and uh

899
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: so I don't know, I don't know, but this this

900
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 2: one ain't it so yeah.

901
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: Uh I want to than Mike seeing like this.

902
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: He probably ain't seen it yet, but I will I

903
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: do one. I can't imagine him liking this. I don't

904
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 4: think he was like this.

905
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I'll be surprised if he likes it.

906
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 4: I mean, he already don't like football, as I can't

907
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: imagine blacking football horror.

908
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I don't know. I can't imagine him liking it.

909
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 5: I wish ab was able to come. He said he

910
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: didn't hate it.

911
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: He didn't hate it.

912
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: He said it was med, he said it was mid,

913
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: but he said he didn't hate it.

914
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 5: I'm kind of I think, That's what I'm saying. I

915
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 5: think mid is way too high of a grade. So

916
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 5: I would have loved to know why you thought.

917
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 4: The reason why I think is closer to me would

918
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 4: be because of the acting. I really like the acting

919
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 4: in it. I just hate the execution.

920
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: Wayns was the best performance? Is there worse at all?

921
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: Worse performance in this? Is there a bad performance in this?

922
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: It really wasn't a lot of bad. Yeah, it wasn't

923
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: like the brother was on. The brother was fine, the

924
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: mother was selling it, even even if the girlfriend she

925
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: was good.

926
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: Like like, that's what I'm saying that this The actors

927
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: didn't failed this movie.

928
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: The directors failed this story telling. Yeah, it was the

929
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 4: way they told it. It was the way they told

930
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: it because even the sports agent was fine.

931
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 3: The met sports medicine guy was fine.

932
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Which had like a ranking of greating system.

933
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: We need we need some We do need something like

934
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: that like directing acting.

935
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do need something like that.

936
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: Kind of like how we do it the Yeah, we

937
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: definitely got to start because this would have been zeros

938
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: across the board for actor.

939
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

940
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think how like I think you

941
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 4: mentioned that the way it looks some of the scenes

942
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: were it was cool.

943
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: Cinematography could be fine, but it's almost like a music

944
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: video or something.

945
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was.

946
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 5: You know, does this music video background or something, because

947
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 5: that's what it felt like a music video?

948
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that million percent because you.

949
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 4: Got flashes here and there of these scenes and yeah,

950
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 4: I don't know.

951
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: All right, man, well we're gonna leave it there.

952
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know what you guys think about Jordan's pills.

953
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: Uh produced movie him. But it's actually really it's all

954
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: on Justin Tipple.

955
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: Yes, his name is all over Jordan Piel, just put

956
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: it out. But we are you know, you know how

957
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: people do. Man, Nah, that's Jordan Peel. Shit.

958
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: They don't talk about Jordan Peel.

959
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: They don't even they probably don't even know justin until now. Anyway, Man,

960
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: let us know what you guys think about the movie.

961
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: Man, we'll leave it there. We'll catch you guys next

962
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: time we are out. Piece