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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.

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Speaker 2: Good morning everyone, Welcome into the Fan Morning Show. It's

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Speaker 2: a Wednesday. If you're just joining us, thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for listening on ninety three five or one O seven

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Speaker 2: five The Fan at one O seven five Thefan dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Any smart application, Kevin, go ahead, do your thing, Hey Siri,

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Speaker 2: play one on seven five of the Fan.

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Speaker 3: What do you like to say about it?

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Speaker 1: Alexa?

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Speaker 3: Alexa?

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Speaker 1: Either one, play knuck. If you buck.

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Speaker 2: Never get old, that'll never get old. I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about you this morning when you commented on the anniversary

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Speaker 2: of the Toush Push this morning, Bush Push Bush Push. Yes,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. Toush Push Bush Bush Bush Push

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Speaker 2: the Reggie Bush Push. There's a big difference for you.

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Speaker 2: There isn't there there is?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish it was the Toushbush James.

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Speaker 2: You'll appreciate this because you've grown fond of my youngest son.

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Speaker 2: If you've met a couple of times now, Grant. I'll

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Speaker 2: be taking Grant to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do a tour of USC on Friday.

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Speaker 1: How about that, Kevin, I hope you guys have a

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Speaker 1: horrific time.

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Speaker 4: I hope you get there safety.

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Speaker 2: Look on Caleb's face when you said that just now,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to Sofi Sunday to watch Saturday Night, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Give me back Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: So looking forward to it, taking a trip with my

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Speaker 2: sixteen year old who's not ready to get his driver's

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Speaker 2: license too.

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Speaker 3: I am so psyched, and you guys are nowhere near

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Speaker 3: any of this.

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Speaker 2: But within the next thirty days, both of my sons, teenagers,

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Speaker 2: will have their driver's license and I will be free

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Speaker 2: to enjoy my afternoons.

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Speaker 5: I questions about this, So how quickly do you give

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Speaker 5: your kids the keys as soon as they passed the

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Speaker 5: driver's tests? Because my dad going to a still kind

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Speaker 5: of like I need you to, you know, because I

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Speaker 5: honestly think that people pass driving tests who can't drive

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Speaker 5: a lick. So my dad was like, before I hand

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Speaker 5: you the keys of this car that I worked very

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Speaker 5: very hard to get, I'm gonna need you to bend

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Speaker 5: a few more corners it safely before I just throw

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Speaker 5: you the keys. I think my first time I drove

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Speaker 5: by myself anywhere might have been like the barber shop

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Speaker 4: I felt like I was such an adult.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what it was like for you, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: But now in Indiana you have to have forty hours

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Speaker 2: of daytime driving logged with a parent, you have to

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Speaker 2: have ten hours of night time driving. And you also

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Speaker 2: now basically do your driver's test through professional driving instructors

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Speaker 2: who you have a couple of appointments with and then

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Speaker 2: their last appointment. They're the ones that certify whether or

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Speaker 2: not you get your license or not. So it's fairly

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Speaker 5: The question I have today to follow up is do

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Speaker 5: the hours log with the parents need to be verified

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Speaker 1: Because sounds very shady.

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Speaker 4: I guarantee you, Kevin.

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Speaker 5: When Jesse Boyd was teaching James Boyd how to drive,

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Speaker 5: we lied about all those hours. He was like, all right,

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Speaker 5: is and shout out to Pops. His best advice he

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Speaker 5: and that has worked out very well for me.

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Speaker 1: I'll not forget my dad thought drivers had for years

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Speaker 1: And it was always a good day when he said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: The other day he's heading east on the four sixty

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Speaker 2: And now Grant, who's over thirty hours in the daytime

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Speaker 2: other drivers. Now, James, oh dad, look at that guy

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Speaker 5: I must say, I'm not really like that as a driver.

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Speaker 5: I'm pretty calm, honestly, I barely. I feel like I

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Speaker 5: the air, No, I really have it. I'm prett calm driver, honestly,

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Speaker 5: and that's probably because if you leave when you're supposed to,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Feel like the rays comes from dangam are late and

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Speaker 2: It's The Fan Morning Show, ninety three five one oh

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Speaker 2: seventy five The Fan. Big news for the Colts today

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Speaker 2: is they signed another quarterback yesterday. Is still on the

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Speaker 2: practice squad at this point in time. But for those

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Speaker 2: just joining us, Brett Rippin. He's twenty nine years old.

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Speaker 2: He's been around the league for a while. I think

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Speaker 2: he's made what five four or five career starts? What

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Speaker 2: more can you tell.

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Speaker 3: Us about him? Kevin?

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Speaker 1: For those just joining us, Yeah, so most recently it

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Speaker 1: was in Cincinnati. They've obviously had their quarterback issues this season.

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Speaker 1: So he spent last year with Minnesota. There was a

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Speaker 1: two month overlap there with Daniel Jones. Ironically enough, I

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Speaker 1: guess if you were going to make out the Vikings

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Speaker 1: depth chart when they were there, Brett Rippon was the

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Speaker 1: third stringer Daniel Jones the fourth stringer Daniel Jones on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad in Minnesota. He then was cut by

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Speaker 1: the Vikings ripping. That is, at the end of training

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Speaker 1: camp this year, joined Cincinnati's practice squad. Joe Burr gets

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Speaker 1: Browning's backup. He only logged three snaps as Jake Browning's backup,

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Speaker 1: meaningless snaps of a forty eight to ten blowout ironically

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Speaker 1: You mentioned this earlier. He was not among the lists

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Speaker 1: of the four quarterback tryouts no that the Colts had yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Any of those names stand out to you? Brylan reached

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Speaker 1: out to me and said on Twitter, these names remind

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Speaker 1: me more of utility infielders for the Tampa Bay Rays.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Driscoll, Jaren Hall, Tanner Mordecai and Kyle Trask would

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the crazy, I mean they none of them mosted

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Speaker 5: mean most of it is usually a handful of games

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Speaker 5: you've started, you've thrown more interceptions than touchdowns, which is

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Speaker 5: the same way with Brett Rippin. I think he's want

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Speaker 5: in eleven career games four starts. Overall, he's two and

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is a guy who was a second

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Speaker 4: Now, granted he was behind Tom Brady.

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Speaker 5: I leave Baker Mayfield for years down there in Tampa Bay,

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Speaker 5: so exactly gotta get on the field behind those guys.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean this is a talented guy, at

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Speaker 2: Well, one thing we know in the NFL, you never

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but second round picks usually yeah, I mean he's

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Speaker 4: He's supposed to play.

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't want your backup to play. I was

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Speaker 1: Remember when they finally got to Flacco. I mean they

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Speaker 1: know this full well. Daniel Jones has had injury history.

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Speaker 5: So yes, four of his first six seasons before coming

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Speaker 1: Now, if I'm Riley Leonard, I kind of look at

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Speaker 1: this and think, Okay, this is good. Brett Rippen is

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Speaker 1: not an eye popping and resume. Brettrippan has not been

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Speaker 1: He's mostly been the third, yeah quarterback in his career.

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Speaker 1: So this is not something to where the Colts went

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson is out for at least a month. The

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Speaker 1: see how Brett Rippon can absorb the game plan, the playbook.

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Speaker 1: divide it up. I assume all three quarterbacks will address,

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Speaker 1: him in wildcat or something like that you literally have

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Speaker 1: to only have him in that position to play, and

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Speaker 1: so far Riley Leonard has been that until of course

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Speaker 1: Sunday when Anthony and Richardson got hurt.

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Speaker 2: Well, you hope that everything goes okay, but really it's

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Speaker 2: the offensive line that kept him pretty clean. Other than

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Speaker 2: him kind of putting his nose in other people when

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Speaker 2: he's running with the football, he's he's fared pretty well.

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Speaker 5: did ask Shane after the game if Daniel's three yard

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Speaker 5: touchdown run was designed, and he looked at me like

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Speaker 5: I was crazy, So but I thought, you actually, if

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Speaker 1: illustrated Perdue defensive secle Missus game due to dog bite.

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Speaker 4: Man, remind me never to get a dog. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: my goodness, did you train them at Oh my, that's

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Speaker 4: actually kind of scary.

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Speaker 1: You imagine walking around campus with that dog. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: you talk about the sidewalks clearing for you real quick.

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Speaker 4: I was saying, no walking around gams with that.

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Speaker 1: But her dog is I might eat a three hundred

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Speaker 1: pounder that causes the player not to play in the game.

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Speaker 1: That's a hell of a bite.

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Speaker 3: It depends on probably.

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Speaker 1: Say yeah, yeah, tell that to Mike Tyson.

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Speaker 2: Boy, it gives dogs a bad name.

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Speaker 3: Most dogs don't bite.

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Speaker 5: You know, And I'll give you a Dorothy Boyd classic.

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Speaker 5: My grandmother when I was walking with her throughout the

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Speaker 5: streets of Chicago, because she never learned how to drive.

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Speaker 5: She was always about public transportation, never really had to

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Speaker 5: learn how to drive them in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: But whenever we saw a.

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Speaker 5: Dog walking home and uh, Chatham in Chicago, and she

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Speaker 5: was just like, we're gonna go to the other side

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Speaker 5: of the street.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like.

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Speaker 5: Every time, Grandma, She's like, everybody says their dog don't

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Speaker 5: bite until they do, and they bite you. So shout

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Speaker 5: out to Grandma I have not been bitten by a dog.

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Speaker 5: Probably because of her. Maybe the pretty football team needs

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Speaker 5: to take a listen. That's I honestly feel bad. That's

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Speaker 5: scary stuff. They've got Northwestern right in Northwestern? Are they

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Speaker 5: still in that little stadium on the lake.

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Speaker 2: I think they're rebuilding. I think they're building a new

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Speaker 2: stadium at this point in time.

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Speaker 3: So they still playing that little I think right now? Yes,

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Speaker 3: until they.

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Speaker 1: Get got a cool environment. Frankly, I think Northwestern football

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Speaker 1: deserves that.

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Speaker 2: Like I called a game there once Penn State long

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Speaker 2: time ago, like at the very last year of Joe.

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Speaker 1: Paterno, oh boy, you are dialing them back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while.

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Speaker 1: I you four touchdown? Favorite? Am I seeing that? Right

478
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Speaker 1: over Michigan State? They should be Wait, talk about Michigan

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Speaker 1: State falling off a cliff in the last decade.

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Speaker 3: They've had problems.

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Speaker 2: They had some pretty good head coaches for a while.

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Speaker 2: They just have never quite gotten that right at a

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Speaker 2: certain point. And that's just so important, as we've seen

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Speaker 2: here in Indiana. I mean, you get the right guy,

485
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Speaker 2: you're good for forever. You get the wrong person, you

486
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Speaker 2: can set the program back, and then what happens that

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Speaker 2: guy gets fired after two and a half for three seasons,

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Speaker 2: they bring in a new guy, and if that guy

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Speaker 2: doesn't work, now, you're starting over again in two or

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Speaker 2: three seasons. And if you're not really careful and hire

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Speaker 2: a right guy at that point in time, James, the

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Speaker 2: cycle just keeps repeating itself. And I think that's where

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Speaker 2: Michigan State is right now.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And speaking of coaches, I would say that, as

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Speaker 5: much as we've given some praise to Daniel Jones, where

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Speaker 5: does Shane Stichen fall in the early coach of the

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Speaker 5: year candidacy and things like that?

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Speaker 1: Oh, he's got to be at the top of the list.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We'll have a chance to perhaps stow that question at

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Speaker 5: Stephen Holder here in a few minutes as he joins

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Speaker 5: us in the eight o'clock hour.

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Speaker 3: All right, In fact, he's gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in just a few minutes here, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: more about the Colts and why they went and got

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Speaker 2: Brett Rippon as a backup quarterback yesterday and as opposed

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Speaker 2: to other players that were out there and available.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that.

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Speaker 2: We'll also talk a little bit more about the upcoming

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Speaker 2: college and NBA seasons for basketball as we continue next

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Speaker 2: to ninety three five and one O seven to five.

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Speaker 2: One guy we love having under contract and no trade

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Speaker 2: in sight. Our guy, Stephen Holder, who joined us now

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Speaker 2: to talk coltsfootball from ESPN dot com on the Payless

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Speaker 2: Liquors Hotline. Good morning, Steven. You're not going anywhere. You're

516
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Speaker 2: like Kurt Signette, You're staying put right.

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Speaker 7: Uh, well, hey, listen. You know I think that you

518
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Speaker 7: always got to listen. You know, you always got to

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Speaker 7: listen to offer.

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Speaker 3: I'm a businessman, okay, high a mercenary.

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Speaker 7: I'm not making that committment.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back into the Fan Morning Show. We always

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Speaker 2: appreciate you being here. Everybody's talking about could should the

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Speaker 2: Colts make any kind of move, especially on defense before

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Speaker 2: the trade deadline comes up in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Where do you think Chris Ballard's appetite is for something

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Speaker 2: like that?

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Speaker 7: I don't think he ever has a huge appetite for

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Speaker 7: giving picks away because it's just it's just not his way.

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Speaker 5: But you give a few of a way, Steven, you

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Speaker 5: know you don't want to be sitting in that room

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Speaker 5: with me next spring as a waiting for him and

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Speaker 5: trade back inevitably and we're all like groaning as he does.

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Speaker 6: So true, that's true.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, listen, if he doesn't keep all those picks,

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Speaker 7: how's he going to trade down.

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Speaker 3: Three times and get more?

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Speaker 7: Look, I don't know, I think that he I think

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Speaker 7: that this might be a unique situation though, right, I

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Speaker 7: mean Chris Ballard, so he's never been you know one,

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Speaker 7: you know, so I don't know that the past necessarily

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Speaker 7: well we'll dictate, you know, what they do here, because

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Speaker 7: again this is this is different. So I do think

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Speaker 7: they're underwe by this defense, this defensive front. If they're not,

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Speaker 7: I want to know why not, because I certainly am.

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Speaker 7: I think they're way too invested in this this front

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Speaker 7: for it not to be producing. But at the same time,

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Speaker 7: that may preclude them from, you know, going further and

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Speaker 7: taking on more salary there. You know, that's that's the

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Speaker 7: reality that they have to think about too. Are very

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Speaker 7: heavily invested there, it goes more money.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I don't know. And then on the back end of

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Speaker 7: the defense, I mean, honestly, I think they just have

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Speaker 7: to weather the storm, or at least I think they can't.

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Speaker 7: They think they can weather the storm. You know, it's

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Speaker 7: it's gone on longer than I think they expected though,

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Speaker 7: and it's been bad. This is a tough week for sure.

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Speaker 7: This is this matchup with the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder from ESPN where you can find is work

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Speaker 1: key joins us every Wednesday. We always appreciateive of Steven's

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Speaker 1: time all over our airwaves. Steven, you were certainly one

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Speaker 1: of the first and had a ton of details in

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Speaker 1: regarding what exactly happened with Anthony Richardson For those that

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Speaker 1: maybe have missed it, could you just kind of paint

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Speaker 1: a picture of best you know, what occurred Sunday pregame

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Speaker 1: with him?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you know. You guys, those of us

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Speaker 7: who are around the team, we were familiar with them

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Speaker 7: using these stretching bands. They've been doing this for years.

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Speaker 7: I mean I remember Andrew Lucky using them. That was

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Speaker 7: the first time I recall seeing them. Anyway, they're pretty

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Speaker 7: thick elastic bands. They used to get loose because you know,

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Speaker 7: they put a lot of mileage on those arms every day.

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Speaker 7: And as I understand it, he had his attached to

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Speaker 7: a poll of some kind in the locker room. And

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Speaker 7: this is not something that's just unique to Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 7: they all do it just so happened. He's the one

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Speaker 7: that had this misfortune and in the process of stretching

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Speaker 7: with using that band, that pole snapped and it impacted

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Speaker 7: him in the face obviously pretty forcefully, and he's got

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Speaker 7: this broken orbitable orbital bone. So as I understand it,

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Speaker 7: and just talking to other players, I mean, it was

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Speaker 7: quite a scene. He was down the ground. I was

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Speaker 7: told it almost you know, knocked him out. It was

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Speaker 7: so forceful, you know, it's like getting punched in punched

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Speaker 7: in the face practically. So just a really chaotic situation, man.

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Speaker 7: And I mean you talk about misfortune, I mean a

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Speaker 7: bad break, no pun intended. I mean, this is this

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Speaker 7: is awful.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it was.

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Speaker 7: It was definitely it sounded comical at first. Certainly I agree,

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Speaker 7: you know, how do you hurt yourself with this band? Well,

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Speaker 7: that's not what happened. It was it was this pole

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Speaker 7: that that really hit him very hard and took him out.

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Speaker 5: Frankly, honestly, if I'm Richardson, I'm looking around at the

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Speaker 5: equipment staff or really anybody related to the Colts and saying, hi,

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Speaker 5: y'all gonna compensate me? In my face because it sounds

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Speaker 5: like he did with anybody else. But I'm actually not joking.

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Speaker 5: I mean I want to laugh, but I'm looking at

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Speaker 5: this like, wait a second, do you have some recourse

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Speaker 5: you could take, possibly, because it sounds like he did anything,

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Speaker 5: didn't do anything wrong, ended up on the wrong side

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Speaker 5: of obviously the incident. But to pivot to what has

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Speaker 5: transpired since then, the cold sign Brett Rippen resume is

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Speaker 5: what it is. Stephen wasn't all that great, But just

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Speaker 5: your thoughts on bringing in him and him possibly being

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Speaker 5: QB two or QB three depending on what second decides

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Speaker 5: here over the next week.

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Speaker 7: I mean my reaction is pray for Daniel Jones. Okay,

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Speaker 7: let's just hope Daniel Jones stays upright. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that there's any like imminent fare that.

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Speaker 6: He's going to be hurt.

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Speaker 7: Look, I mean it could happen on any play. He

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Speaker 7: could twist his ankle, he could take a bad step.

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Speaker 7: Anything could happen, right, concussion, Right, I mean that happens

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Speaker 7: all the time, right, I mean, so things do happen.

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Speaker 7: So this is a theory, Okay, just a theory. I

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Speaker 7: think what might be happening. Here is the Colts are saying,

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Speaker 7: all right, Richardson's going to be out. I guess maybe

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Speaker 7: the four weeks or so is maybe what they're banking on.

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Speaker 7: And if Daniel Jones has an end game injury in

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Speaker 7: one of the two backup quarterbacks plays, they figure it out.

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Speaker 7: If he has a longer term injury, you have to

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Speaker 7: do something more substantial than this.

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Speaker 6: That's what I would say if.

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Speaker 7: Someone has to play multiple games. Look, I know a

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Speaker 7: lot of you fans out there. You love Riley Leonard.

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Speaker 7: I love Riley Leonard. He's great. I think he's a worker.

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Speaker 7: I think he has a potential future. He's not ready. Okay,

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you fans, he's not ready. And I think

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Speaker 7: the Colts understand that. I'm not saying they wouldn't play

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Speaker 7: him in a pinch, in a backup role off the bench,

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Speaker 7: but they are not actively trying to play Bodie Leonard.

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Speaker 6: I think it with you, guys.

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Speaker 7: Am I am I off base?

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Speaker 6: Here?

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Speaker 7: Am I missing something? Guys? You saw training camp right right?

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Speaker 1: I would agree, especially once teams started to actually, like,

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Speaker 1: let's say they needed Leonard for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Steven once they actually schemed and said, hey, spy Leonard,

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Speaker 1: make him a pocket passer. You know, again, anybody that

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Speaker 1: watched Notre Dame's playoff run, I mean Riley Leonard hardly

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Speaker 1: threw any consequential passes until they were down a million

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Speaker 1: against Ohio State. So yes, you know, his life of

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Speaker 1: running like he did on the opening drive against Ohio

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Speaker 1: State probably not going to last in the NFL, which

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Speaker 1: which is fine. Like, I mean, they drafted him to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, developmental project. Sounds like he's horrific, but like

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Speaker 1: that was some of the thought there. I think sometimes

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Speaker 1: you get into day three quarterback picks, some guys are

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Speaker 1: like whatever, Curtis Rourke from Indiana, more of a finished project,

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Speaker 1: and then other guys are a little bit more Riley

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Speaker 1: Leonard battle some injuries, played a multiple colle you know,

656
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: you feel like there's a skill set there that you

657
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: want to tap into. And I think that was some

658
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: of the colts thinking.

659
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 7: There, Yeah, I think that's exactly right. So yeah, that's

660
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 7: how I see it. We'll see, though, I mean, I

661
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 7: think I think they would be in a tough spot

662
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 7: if there was a multi week injury to Daniel Jones, right, now,

663
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 7: so I don't think this way of thinking would continue

664
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 7: if that happened.

665
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 6: That's my theory.

666
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 3: One thing.

667
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Go back to Richardson for a second again. Stephen Holder

668
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: from ESPN with the Ciar Palostickers outline, it's not your

669
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: impression that this is a season ending injury, correct.

670
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 7: I don't think so. It doesn't sound like that. I

671
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 7: mean the initially there was some uncertainty and possibility I

672
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 7: think was discussed, but it sounds now, and particularly after

673
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 7: this move they made, I'm I'm starting to think that

674
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 7: they settled on it being a shorter term absence. The

675
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 7: last I heard, which was Monday or yeah, late Monday,

676
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 7: I think there was the thinking was multiple weeks, but

677
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 7: the NA season ending, So that's a big range. But

678
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 7: but that's kind of what I.

679
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 6: Know so far.

680
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: Stephen Holder, ESPN dot Com. I'm just curious.

681
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of praise for Daniel Jones and

682
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: what he's doing with a great receiving corps that's done

683
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: a nice job, and obviously Tyler Warren into the mix

684
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: and Jonathan Taylor has just been fantastic. Where do we

685
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: put the role of Shane Stikeen in all of this

686
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: offensive success? That is leading the league in scoring by

687
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: a ways at this point in time.

688
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 7: No, I mean he is the He's the conductor of

689
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 7: it all. I mean like if this were if they

690
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 7: were making an album, he's the executive producer and he's

691
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 7: the guy making it all come together. It doesn't happen

692
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 7: without that guy. You know, he's the SCORSEESSI I guess,

693
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 7: I don't know something like that, but to use a

694
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 7: movie analogy, I think Shane Stikeen is brilliant. I do.

695
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 7: I don't say it enough. Shane Styking is brilliant, There's

696
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 7: no question about that. I mean, how many guys have

697
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 7: you seen wide open this year? Just why the hell? Okay,

698
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 7: they're good players, I think a lot of their receivers,

699
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 7: but I mean, come on, they're wide open that There's

700
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 7: a reason for that, and it's because of what he

701
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 7: is putting together in the game playing process. And that

702
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 7: is Jim Bob Cooter as well, the offensive coordinator, who

703
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 7: he really does rely on a lot. So I'm telling

704
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 7: you he has saying being he he has this understanding

705
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 7: of how to attack defenses at a high level that

706
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 7: I don't think is typical. All Right, there are a

707
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 7: lot of good coaches out there, but they don't all

708
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 7: I think see the game at the level that Shane

709
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 7: Styken does. And I remember when he got hired. I

710
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 7: remember Frank Reich Okay telling me, and he had history

711
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 7: with him, he knows he said. He said he is

712
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 7: an potential offensive genius. That's what he told me. I mean,

713
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 7: that says it all right, and I think a lot

714
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 7: of Frank Wright's opinions. So I think you're starting to

715
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 7: see that. And people around the league have told me

716
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 7: the same thing, like this guy high level offensive offensive mind.

717
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 7: That's like the consistent theme you get when you talk

718
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 7: to people. So there's no doubt the cults are. I

719
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 7: think you're starting to see that now with a quarterback

720
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 7: of Daniel Jones caliber in terms of his understanding of

721
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 7: the game. He has a quarterback who understands the game,

722
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 7: you know, at a level that the coach does, and

723
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 7: that's helping it all come together.

724
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 5: Well, Steven, I must say, now you got me going

725
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 5: down the rabbit hole a little bit. I should probably

726
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 5: ask Shane. I don't know if I should do it

727
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 5: on the record, off the record, like who you listened

728
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 5: to before the game, you know, as the producer or

729
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: as the music guy. I'm picturing him like what DMXX

730
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 5: gonna give it to you? When he's dolling up like

731
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 5: his playbooks for the week. It's just knowing that he's

732
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 5: gonna get guys wide open for touchdowns so I can weird.

733
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 7: It's probably like it seems weird. I don't know he's weird.

734
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 7: It might be like the Star Wars theme or something.

735
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 7: I don't know.

736
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 4: Man, No, I feel like it's got to be a holder.

737
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: I feel like it's got to be one end or

738
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: the other of the spectrum where it's like he's sitting

739
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 5: there in silence like a serial killer but no music

740
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: at all, or he's vibing out to DM max and

741
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 5: he's very rock and roll for his team. So last

742
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 5: one I Got for You is And this is kind

743
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 5: of a I guess a serious question, but with Lady

744
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 5: Mitchell officially an act of last week, do you think

745
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 5: the Colts have taken the right approach with him after

746
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 5: the blunder in l A against the Rams and really

747
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 5: some of the mental mistakes he's made throughout the early

748
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 5: stage of his career.

749
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 7: I mean, it's brutal. There's a question about that, right

750
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 7: I mean, although I look, I have criticized this kid

751
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 7: as much as anybody, but you know that being said,

752
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 7: look at it's like as a parent, which James knows

753
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 7: nothing about. Uh, look, your kids can screw up, right right, Yeah,

754
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 7: take your time, takes time. Your kid can screw up

755
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 7: and really deserve like severe punishment. But it's not fun

756
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 7: punishing them, right, It's not fun to see them, you know,

757
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 7: sit in the corner and be pissed and miserable that

758
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 7: it's not fun. And I think that's that's what I

759
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 7: think about when I see Saint psyching right now, like

760
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 7: he I don't think he's enjoying this, you know, but

761
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 7: I think he felt like it had to be done.

762
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 7: Oh it's really tough, Okay, no question about it. But

763
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 7: I think you just laid it out. I mean, this

764
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 7: isn't the only thing. If this were the first time

765
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 7: we were talking about ad Mitchell in this manner, I

766
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 7: might feel differently. But it is not. And it's not

767
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 7: just display. It's not just negating the Jonathan Taylor touchdown

768
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 7: later in that game. It's not even just the Dender

769
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 7: play last season where he was I guess picked off

770
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 7: for lack of a better word on the trick play.

771
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 6: It's not just those things.

772
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 7: It is a consistent then with him, the lack of execution,

773
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 7: the lack of finishing plays, the lack of just playing

774
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 7: with a seriousness. And I think they had to do this,

775
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 7: or they felt they had to do this. And I

776
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 7: will say this, I bet he never does it again.

777
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 7: That's for sure. Right, he's gonna go line and give

778
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 7: that ball to the referee if he ever gets there.

779
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 5: Until he does, I think he'll just run with it,

780
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 5: like all the way back to the locker room. Yeah,

781
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 5: I mean celebration there for aighty Mitchell. So yeah, I'm

782
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: just very curious about that. But that's all I had

783
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 5: as far as the wid receiver room goes.

784
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: All right, Steven, thanks so much for being here. We

785
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 3: appreciate it. We will see you soon in a press

786
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: box near us.

787
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 7: All Right, you guys, got it.

788
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 4: Hey, pick up the phone the first time. My boy

789
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: Caleb palls. Okay, just just let's get that straight too.

790
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: You know, I'll see you like D and D on.

791
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 5: D and D my dad mind you stevenholders like six too,

792
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: And I'm like, yeah, it's not gonna fly, James, or

793
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 5: I'm punching above my weight class.

794
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 6: There.

795
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: I'll see you in a couple of hours.

796
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 2: They already hung up on us. Man this morning, Good morning, Justin,

797
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. We appreciate your time. Is this

798
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: is crazy to you to start saying Indiana ranked number

799
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: three in the country and like you feel good about

800
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: saying it, like it's not a mirage.

801
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 6: Right totally, and you know, let's go even further. Indiana

802
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 6: legit national championship contender. That's what That's what Saturday was

803
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 6: that that win at Oregon. You know, I think anyone

804
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 6: that's that's arguing otherwise is doing in bad faith now.

805
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 6: So it's it's been quite a rise under Signetti, but

806
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 6: it really felt like Saturday was kind of like that

807
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 6: that exclamation point that, you know, kind of official arrival

808
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 6: that yes, they've been really good, but now we're talking

809
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 6: about them as like a team that can actually win

810
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 6: a national championship.

811
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: Justin, James Boyd here, thanks for one answering.

812
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: My text last night.

813
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 4: It's kind of last minute.

814
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: Get for the show, but I know you and Ralph

815
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 5: had sort of a breakdown of the quick takeaways or

816
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 5: reactions to that game, and I want to go back

817
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: to a moment in that game where you have the

818
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 5: pick six from Fernando Mendoza, the game is tied there

819
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 5: on the road. What did you think think of the

820
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 5: response from IU and what that says about how serious

821
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: this program can be.

822
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that felt like the moment, right, you know,

823
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 6: Oregon really couldn't get it going offensively. Indiana had had

824
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 6: really gotten after and sacked Dante more but Indiana wasn't

825
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 6: necessarily playing great offensively either, and so then it feels like,

826
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 6: all right, Organ's at home. They get the pick six,

827
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 6: big momentum shift, This is it. They're going to kind of,

828
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 6: you know as salt away of the game now, and

829
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 6: that's going to flip it. And I think that was

830
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 6: when the next was the twelve place seventy five yard

831
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 6: drive that you know, Mendoza leads them down and gets

832
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 6: to go ahead score. That was just like, you know,

833
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 6: those are the kind of the teams that you feel like,

834
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 6: all right, you know these teams they have their identity

835
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 6: figured out, they have their confidence, they have their coaching

836
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 6: where you can make a mistake like that can feel

837
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 6: like you know, everything thing's kind of going against you.

838
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 6: And then instead of panicking or instead of stuff falling apart,

839
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 6: you know, they actually kind of locked in and then

840
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 6: you know, they go on that drive, they pick off

841
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 6: more twice in the fourth quarter. So it was all

842
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 6: just kind of part of it. You know. I think

843
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 6: everyone watching that game going into it was like, all right,

844
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 6: is it going to be like last year when you know,

845
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 6: they really weren't up for that game against Ohio State

846
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 6: on the road and they couldn't hang with Notre Dame

847
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 6: in the playoffs, and so then they're kind of you know,

848
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 6: hanging around at the close game and and then that

849
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 6: moment ever probably thinking like, all right, this is it.

850
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 6: You know this word it's going to fall apart, and

851
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 6: they just at every turn this year have kind of

852
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 6: proven whether it was that Illinois game or you know,

853
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 6: just the way they've kind of dominated every other opponent.

854
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 6: And then to have that game on the road just

855
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 6: a completely you know, impressive win. It definitely solidified and

856
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 6: erased any doubt that anyone should have about them.

857
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: Justin Williams with us here from the athletic I call

858
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: what James said, We appreciate you joining us justin here

859
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday morning. If I would have asked you

860
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: this question. I don't know. Ten years ago, you probably

861
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: would have laughed at me compare the IU job to

862
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: the Penn State job, But now, I don't know. I

863
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: think that question might have a little bit more relevance

864
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: as you hear Kurt Signetti's name whatever, probably on a

865
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: wish list for Penn State fans more than anything at

866
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: this point. How would you view in today's college football

867
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: landscape the year of twenty twenty five, how would you

868
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: view Penn State's opening versus the Indiana job?

869
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean, and let's be honest, like every school

870
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 6: that's going to have an opening, there's probably gona be

871
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 6: a decent amount of them. Signette's going to be on

872
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 6: those lists, and he should be. And this is it's

873
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 6: kind of the good problem to have if you're Indiana

874
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 6: that everyone wants to hire your coach. I do think

875
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 6: it'll be really interesting. Obviously, there's some ties Signetti being

876
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 6: a Pittsburgh guy, you know, coach at JMU, which isn't

877
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 6: too far outside of that kind of that region. But

878
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 6: I'm very curious in the kind of the whether it's

879
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 6: the new revenue sharing house settlement or just this whole

880
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 6: nil transfer portal like it has totally kind of changed things. Now,

881
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 6: that doesn't mean that India or Penn State suddenly like

882
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 6: a terrible job. There's gonna be some obvious pools there.

883
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 6: If they fire a guy and pay him, you know,

884
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 6: forty five to fifty million dollars just as a buyout,

885
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 6: that means that you're feeling pretty secure with your money

886
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 6: and you're going to take a big swing. So if

887
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 6: Signetti is on that shortlist for Penn State, look, they're

888
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 6: gonna they're gonna offer him the move, the moon. They're gonna,

889
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 6: you know, come and give him whatever he wants Godfather

890
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 6: offer to try and get him away. I think the

891
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 6: question will be can whatever Indiana offers, whether that's you know,

892
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 6: from a revenue share standpoint, but also just infrastructure, nil resources,

893
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 6: can it be Can it match that? Can it be

894
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 6: close enough? Because now you start getting into with the

895
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 6: rev share, like they're gonna give some money to basketball

896
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 6: at Indiana. Obviously that's an important thing. So how does

897
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 6: all that balance? But also, you know, I do think

898
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 6: there's this aspect with Signetti, like Indiana kind of gave

899
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 6: him his shot right at the Power conference level he'd

900
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 6: want everywhere, hadn't really gotten that job. Does he feel

901
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 6: a certain loyalty to Indiana for for doing that. I

902
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 6: don't think it's unfair to say, like, yes, if Penn

903
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 6: State wants him, this is going to be a tough

904
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 6: decision for him to make. But I also don't think

905
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 6: it's unfair to say he might ultimately look at it

906
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 6: and be like, no, I want to be here at

907
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 6: Indiana that you know I can win here. I prove

908
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 6: that I have everything I need here, And so I

909
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 6: think that the question will be can whatever Penn State

910
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 6: throws at him to can Indiana match it or at

911
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 6: least come close enough for him to say like no,

912
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 6: this is where I want to.

913
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: Be talking to Justin Williams from the Athletic IU Football

914
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: the topic of discussion today. I want to dig down

915
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: deeper on how this team has even taking a step

916
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: forward over what they did last year. To your comments

917
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: just a moment ago. We see Fernando Mendoz has been

918
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: a terrific quarterback, and they've got speed, and the lines

919
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: on both sides of the football have held up. But

920
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: talk about Indiana's defense and how they've been able to

921
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: keep their offense in games with anybody this year.

922
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I mean that's that was the story of

923
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 6: the game Saturday. Oregon had been sacked once all year

924
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 6: coming into that game, Indiana comes in and gets to

925
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 6: Dante Moore six times. And some of it was them

926
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 6: creating pressure, some of it was just whatever they were

927
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 6: scheming up or whatever they were doing in coverage. Dante

928
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 6: Moore clearly wasn't seeing the field very well because he

929
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 6: just didn't have a good game overall. And so this

930
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 6: is the guy that came into the game as a heisman,

931
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 6: you know, favorite hopeful, and Indiana just you know, kind

932
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 6: of put him in a body bag. And you know,

933
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 6: I think the most impressive thing is the evaluation and

934
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 6: development of talent. You know, Signetti brought all those guys

935
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 6: from JMU, and JMU had a good team, but you're

936
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 6: not thinking that, Okay, you're going to go into the

937
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 6: Big ten and then start to dominate D'Angelo Pond's, you know,

938
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 6: be the best cornerback in the country. You know, Aidan

939
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 6: Fisher is a tackling machine. Kamara he brought with them,

940
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 6: you know, all these guys that he brings with him

941
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 6: from his previous job. There's clearly some identification on Signetti

942
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 6: and his staffs part and then some development with those

943
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 6: players that now in year two in the Big Ten,

944
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 6: you know, they're they're out there dominating against an Oregon

945
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 6: team that was like putting up close to fifty points

946
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 6: a game entering that. And so I just have a

947
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 6: ton of respect for that staff and Signetti and what

948
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 6: he's been able to do in terms of you know,

949
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 6: if you just look at recruiting talent, actually think the

950
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 6: whole talent composite, you know, numbers that are out there

951
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 6: for recruiting. I think Indiana still last in the Big

952
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 6: Ten technically, which is just hilarious because when you watch

953
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 6: them play their complete unit, they move people on both

954
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 6: sides of the line of scrimmage and they just have

955
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 6: you know, guys that whether you want to say it's

956
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 6: the holes greater than the some of the parts, or

957
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 6: they play above their ability, whatever, they've kind of figured

958
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 6: out the combination of scheme players and then developing them

959
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 6: to be one of the best teams in the country.

960
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 5: Justin as we look ahead for the rest of the

961
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 5: record season schedule for the Hoosiers, is there a game

962
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 5: that we should be worried about. I'm looking at UCLA

963
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: two weeks from now, and I'm like, suddenly, they're actually

964
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 5: kind of scary to me. So as much as we

965
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: have ridden high on the wave of IU and after

966
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 5: that Oregon went, it feels like, oh my gosh, you're

967
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 5: just a shoe win and get a bye into the

968
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 5: college football playoff, we know how weird this sport can be.

969
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 5: So do you have some games I'm looking at Michigan State, Ucla, Maryland,

970
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 5: Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue to close it out any of

971
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 5: those opponents.

972
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 4: Opponents should scare us.

973
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean this is why, like you can't play

974
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 6: the schedule game in college football right because three weeks

975
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 6: ago it's like, man, that that trip to Penn State,

976
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 6: that's going to be really tough, and now all of

977
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 6: a sudden they have an interim coach and their quarterbacks hurt,

978
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 6: and same thing. You know Ucla. No one was expecting

979
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 6: Penn State to go out there and get beat so

980
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 6: on paper, no, You're you're looking at this schedule and

981
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 6: you're thinking, like, man, they should be able to kind

982
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 6: of cruise control into the you know, Big Ten championship game,

983
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 6: whether that's playing you know, another undefeated team in Ohio

984
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 6: State or whatever happens. But I think this will also

985
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 6: be kind of the next challenge for Indiana, right, Like,

986
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 6: they were always kind of trying to punch through that

987
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 6: glass ceiling, and they had respect they made the playoff

988
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 6: last year, but again people weren't necessarily looking at them

989
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 6: as the title contender. Now you have that, you have

990
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 6: all the attention that comes with that. It'll be interesting

991
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 6: to see how they respond here down the stretch when

992
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 6: the targets on their back. You know, they have, you know,

993
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 6: kind of everyone gunning for them, and they have games

994
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 6: that you know they're going to be favored. Jeeh, I

995
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 6: don't buy. You know, probably close to double did it's

996
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 6: digit in every one of these games that's left. It'll

997
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 6: be interesting to see if they can come to go

998
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 6: out and live up to that. But man, if you're

999
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 6: an IU fan just kind of playing the schedule game

1000
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 6: of looking on paper, I'm not telling you to go

1001
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 6: ahead and book your you know, your stay in Indianapolis

1002
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 6: for the for the title game, but you know, maybe

1003
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 6: at least pencil.

1004
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: It in justin last one and correct me if I'm wrong.

1005
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: You covered Cincinnati when Alec Pierce.

1006
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 6: Was there, I did, correct. What do you.

1007
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: Remember just about like his ascent there, because you know,

1008
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I definitely remember the Indiana game, the Notre Dame game

1009
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: where Pierce made huge plays and then now here obviously

1010
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: in our city. He's turned into quite the home run

1011
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: hitter on an NFL level. So what do you remember

1012
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: about Alec Pierce becoming you know, it took a little bit,

1013
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: but I think coming a big time target there for

1014
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: Desmond RD.

1015
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, great kid comes from a great, really athletic family.

1016
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 6: Two stories stand out to me about covering Peers. So

1017
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 6: after his freshman year, which he didn't play much, during

1018
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 6: bowl practice, they worked him out at a linebacker and

1019
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 6: this is when Marcus free Mine Philip Sincidi, he was

1020
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 6: a defensive coordinator, and I remember Freeven saying like if

1021
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 6: he if Piers wanted to be a linebacker, if he

1022
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 6: wanted to hit and be a defensive player, he could

1023
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 6: be like an All American linebacker. He's just like, he

1024
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 6: doesn't want to do that. He's a pretty boy. He

1025
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 6: wants to be a receiver. He wants to run and

1026
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 6: you know, catch sixty yardt bombs. But even early on,

1027
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 6: like when he you know, hadn't necessarily cracked the rotation

1028
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 6: or receiver. They were just trying to find ways to

1029
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 6: get him on the field because he was such a

1030
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 6: you know, athletic, gifted talent. And then the other one

1031
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 6: that stands out is the COVID. You know when that happened,

1032
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 6: and everyone gets sent home for the summer. So we're

1033
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 6: talking summer twenty twenty, and they finally bring these players

1034
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 6: back on campus. Everybody, I mean, this wasn't just Cincinnati,

1035
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 6: across the country. All these guys are out of shape,

1036
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 6: and you know, just they've been stuck inside. They didn't

1037
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 6: know what to do. And Pierce came back and had

1038
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 6: somehow added like two inches to his vertical, Like the

1039
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 6: training staff couldn't believe that this guy came back and

1040
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 6: he's like, you know, jumping forty two inches and basically

1041
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 6: was in better shape than when he had left. And

1042
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 6: he was just like, oh, yeah, I worked out at

1043
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 6: home with my brothers or whatever. But those two, like

1044
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 6: you talk about kind of what a freakish player he is.

1045
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 6: He's also super smart. He has like an engineering degree

1046
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 6: from Cincinnati, which is a ridiculously hard program. A really

1047
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: impressive kid. But I always just remember those two things,

1048
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 6: like them trying to put him at linebacker because they

1049
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 6: wanted to get him on the field, and then everyone

1050
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 6: coming back out of shape from Covid and Pierces in

1051
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 6: the best shape of his life.

1052
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 3: Justin, thanks for time this morning. We appreciate it.

1053
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you this season moves along, but appreciate

1054
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: your thoughts.

1055
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: Have fun this weekend anytime.

1056
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 6: Thanks you guys.

1057
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: Justin Williams, the athletic covering IU football, Joining us here

1058
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: on the payless liquors hotline.

1059
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: All right,