1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Monday, worriam mean means ride Denise Dumbsol, you mean me Rye. 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: Good morning. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 3: It is Casey and Jim AT's ninety three WIBC joining 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: us in the WIBC studios now former FBI special Agent 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 3: Corey Grass who spent twenty years in counter terrorism. And 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: we've got some questions for you today. But first you, 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 3: how is it that we were both in Washington, d C. 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: On the same weekend and we didn't know? Thanks for 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: the text. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys didn't coordinate. You left me behind just Wednesdays, 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 4: my only day with you guys. 12 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 5: Whatever, you should have let us know. We could have 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 5: hooked up. 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: Of course you were at the egg roll at the 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: White House. I was tell us all about it. 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 4: I got a call last week from Center Banks' staff, 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 4: so big things to him and his staff are reached 18 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 4: out to my family. I got to take my daughter, 19 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 4: my wife out. It was Monday morning. I was really 20 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 4: hoping to cross paths with the President, but didn't quite 21 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 4: work out that way. He was there a little before me. 22 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they frown upon when you start stalking 23 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: or seeking him out at public events. 24 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 4: Now you're trying to get me in trouble because I 25 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: told you off the airs exactly what I did. 26 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: I heard that that's the largest event that the United 27 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: States Secret Service puts together at the White House. 28 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 4: I believe that people a lot of different movements, a 29 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: lot of different gates you had to go through, obviously security, 30 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 4: but also just put you on corrals almost like Disney 31 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 4: World in a lot of ways. So many different events 32 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 4: you could do there inside the facility. It was. It 33 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: was pretty amazing. 34 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 5: So you had a good time. The weather was beautiful, 35 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 5: it was. 36 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 4: Almost perfect like that. Yeah, sunny, relatively warm, flags blowing, 37 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 4: kids running around, people in beautiful outfits. A lot of 38 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 4: people from Indiana. I ran across there. I made sure 39 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: to wear a hoo'sier gear. 40 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 5: So what do you have to do now for Indiana 41 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 5: Senator Jim Banks? Because he got you like, what's the 42 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 5: trade off? What do you got to do? 43 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: As Jim could attest, I've been a big fant of 44 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 4: Center Banks for a long time, so I don't have 45 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 4: to do anything for Centator Banks, but I choose to 46 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: say his wise decisions. 47 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 6: And that in a firm handshake, thank you. 48 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 5: He just says nice things about him on the radio. 49 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 4: And it's and Chris Crabtree. By the way, if if 50 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 4: they're Chris and there, Chris is actually want to reach out. 51 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: He's Bloomtin guy as well, so I appreciate. I Actually 52 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 4: I have a really good relationship with all team Banks. 53 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: He's got some great guys on his team. 54 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about the FBI Most Wanted List. 55 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: We're going to transition. 56 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: Sounds good, iconic, right, tell us how do they make 57 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: that list? 58 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 4: You mentioned iconic. It's about seventy five years old and 59 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: it came around back in the nineteen fifty is forty nine. 60 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 4: A newspaper reached out to ask about the toughest Future. 61 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 4: There's the worst people they wanted to get in. The 62 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 4: FBI came up with the idea to have the top ten. 63 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 4: All fifty six officers around the country can nominate people 64 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: for that list, and it goes through the Criminal Investigative Division. 65 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 4: Executive Management approves those people, and obviously the most heinous, 66 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 4: most wanted people that the FBI has to feel like 67 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: giving them attention will help get them caught. They prioritize 68 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 4: it that way. The top ten people on the list 69 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: are not prioritized one through ten. It's just a ten 70 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: most to want it, So what you're kidding me? 71 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 6: So if you're if you whoever is like number one 72 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 6: on the top ten most wanted list, that's just a coincidence. 73 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 6: It doesn't mean they are literally the most wanted person. 74 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 4: Well, I mentioned to you guys off the air that 75 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 4: there's also a top ten terrorist wanted list, and I 76 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: guarantee you saw we've been a lot was number on 77 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 4: that list for a long time. Whether they numerate that 78 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 4: or not, I guarantee he was number one for a 79 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: long long time. 80 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 6: That's fascinating. I had no idea that they weren't in 81 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 6: rank order on the list. It's just ten. These are 82 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 6: the ten most wanted. Number one isn't any more of 83 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 6: the most wanted than ten. 84 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: And it's interesting to me that when this came around 85 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: seventy five years ago, how different times were with technology 86 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 4: and information sharing and getting publicity out there super important. 87 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 4: I remember being a younger guy sitting at the post 88 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: office the top ten and stuff. Now with the internet 89 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: and technology and social media, I mean we could have 90 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: top thousand probably get those names out all the time. 91 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 4: So it's an interesting how it's changed over the years. 92 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 6: Oh, so you're saying it was it was created really 93 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 6: as a marketing piece to sit here and say, hey, 94 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 6: we need to get this information out there about these 95 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 6: bad guys and how these are the ones we want. 96 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 6: But obviously communication changed dramatically since then, and so yeah. 97 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, the key things publicity, getting their name out, highlighting them. 98 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 4: Occasional you'll see that they'll update any with more, a 99 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: bigger bounty. I think recently they changed the minimum bounty 100 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: from fifty fifty thousand up to a million dollars each 101 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 4: on the on the criminal side, and those kind of 102 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: things draw attention, and that's what they want. They want 103 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: people to put their eyes on there and recognize these 104 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: people and share information. 105 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: Corey Grass is joining us. He's a former FBI special agent. 106 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 3: There was recently a story just a few weeks ago 107 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: that a fugitive was captured only seventy three minutes after 108 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: being added to the FBI's ten. 109 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 5: Most wanted fugitive list. How common is that? 110 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: I mean that that actually was a record seventy three minutes. 111 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: I'm sure this administration clearly seems to be putting a 112 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 4: focus on fugitives, manhunt things like that, apprehending criminals seventy 113 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: three minutes. Unheard of, unprecedented, And again I think I 114 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 4: met you guys off the year. I'm all for questioning 115 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 4: the government. I'm all for, you know, asking questions. But 116 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 4: at the White House on Monday with the President was 117 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 4: trash talking Iran with an Easter bunny on the stage. 118 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: It was an Eastern bunny on the stage next to him. 119 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 4: So it's probably not unheard of that somebody might get 120 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 4: placed on the list right before they get captured for 121 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 4: good notoriety. 122 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: So do you think that that was partially due to 123 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: for publicity, Like they knew they were zeroing in on him, 124 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: and so they said, hey, let's put him on the 125 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: list so that we can come out and say we 126 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: caught somebody on the list. 127 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 4: I don't have any inside information, but I don't believe 128 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: in coincidences either. That very coincidental that a guy is 129 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 4: the most wanted in the world, top ten wanted in 130 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: the world, and we couldn't find him in an hour 131 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 4: later we had them. 132 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 6: Okay, So as somebody who kind of was like on 133 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 6: the ground as an FBI special agent was was the 134 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 6: top ten FBI Top Town most Wanted list. Was that 135 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 6: something you ever thought about or is that really just 136 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 6: for the public, but the agents, you know, you really 137 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 6: don't need that information. 138 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: Well, you said kind of like an agent on the ground. 139 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: Somebody accused me recently of not being an agent. I've 140 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: been accused of not being a retired agent. They're questioning 141 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 4: my mindset and then calling me a liar. So thank 142 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 4: you Jeff for reinforcing that I was kind of like 143 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 4: an agent. You were my retirement check says I was, 144 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 4: So I appreciate that, you know. The Yeah, each office 145 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 4: has the top ten listed when you walk in, have 146 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 4: the wall of honor and martyrs and things like that, 147 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 4: and they do have the top ten there. But no 148 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: as a street level agent, at least in my divisions. 149 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 4: I was in in Miami, Indianapolis, different places. I never 150 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 4: ran across a lead, never got sent my way to 151 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 4: go FOLLO up on somebody. Again, it's pretty unique, very 152 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 4: unique case. 153 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: Corey Grass is with US former FBI special agent. So 154 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 3: this one that was caught in seventy three minutes, he 155 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: had been tracked as a fugitive for three years, and 156 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: I'm curious what are the different challenges when tracking a 157 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 3: known fugitives like that. 158 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 4: I don't know the specific details about him, but a 159 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 4: lot of times, I mean use a drug cartel as 160 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 4: an example. Look at their resources financially they have available 161 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: and the reasons they wouldn't want to stay hidden, and 162 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 4: they don't have the rules the government has. Same with terrorists. 163 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: So it's if they're wanting to be hidden and they 164 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: have the finances to change their appearance, change their cell phones, 165 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 4: use apps that hide where they are, have a network 166 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: of people to help hide them, threatened people that would 167 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 4: give them up. Makes it very challenging. Again, they're not 168 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: following rules. They're criminals, so we follow the rules chasing them, 169 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: and that makes us a step behind usually. 170 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: So you had mentioned that there's a most wanted fugitive list, 171 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: there's also a most Wanted Terrorist list. 172 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 5: A big difference between the two, clearly. 173 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: Is there a difference of importance placed on the different 174 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: lists or are they next to each other when you 175 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: walk in the lobby. 176 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 4: I'm fairly certain the If I would love to get 177 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: any of those top twenty people any time, obviously that'd 178 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: be huge. Of the millions of fugitives, those twenty would 179 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: be highly solid after and I don't think there's priority. Again, 180 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: if they had information that comes in on a terrorist, 181 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: I think they would love to chase them and catch them. 182 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: And if they have it on a bank robber or again, 183 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: bank robbers kind of antiquated thing. If you think about 184 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: the top ten back in nineteen fifty, it was probably 185 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: people like bank croppers. In these days, I can't imagine 186 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: we've had a bank rubber on that list in a 187 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 4: long long time. 188 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: So they had. 189 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: Recently made a change to the list and it's now 190 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: going to encl cyber criminals. Do you think that they 191 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: need to have just a separate list for that, so 192 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: they could have a fugitive, a terrorism, and then cyber criminal, 193 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: because right now it's all in one big soup. 194 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think so. I think we get deluded 195 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 4: at that point if we started creating for each thing. 196 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 4: If a cyber criminal is big enough to make the 197 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: list or to affect that many people or that much commerce, 198 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: then it makes sense to me to put them on there. 199 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 4: But I don't know if I would do a separate list, 200 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: because again, it gets very diluted once you start doing 201 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: separate violations. 202 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 5: Right because you could have dozens of different lists then. 203 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: And the FBI is I mean, if you break it 204 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 4: down the simplest terms, The FBI is broken down to 205 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 4: the national security and criminal invest you know, major criminal stuff, 206 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 4: so it makes sense to have a list for each side. 207 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: They don't have a specific entirely. They have a division 208 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 4: that does cyber issues, but they don't have one half 209 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 4: the FBI doesn't work just cyber. 210 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 5: It's interesting because you could put the cyber criminal on 211 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 5: both lists because it's. 212 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 4: Actually the one that went on the list was being 213 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: used to fund a terrorist group and somewhere in South 214 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: America that you sent me out, so it would be 215 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: cyber and tear related. 216 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 5: Right, they could qualify for both lists. 217 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: We've got Corey Grass, he's joining us. He's a former 218 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: FBI special agent. And you wanted to talk about this 219 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: other thing that came. 220 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,479 Speaker 5: Out, and that was the fact that. 221 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: The rescue of the airmen was leaked and Donald Trump 222 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: has now threatened jail for somebody putting that operation in peril. 223 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: And you had texted me and you said, this makes 224 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: my blood boil. And I didn't ask you any questions 225 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: like which part which made you upset? Was it that 226 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: Trump said he wanted to put a journalist in jail? 227 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: Or was it the fact that it was leaked, So 228 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: I'm curious which part made. 229 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: You mad, the fact that it was leaked. Again. I'm 230 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 4: all for information sharing, I'm all for questioning our government, 231 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: but I also understand there has to be certain things 232 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: that are kept secret, and I personally don't see any 233 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 4: upside to sharing that information. There was no reason for anyone, 234 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: if it's a journalist or anybody else, a government employee, 235 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 4: military person, a FBI person by the way, anybody sharing 236 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: the information. There's no upside to that, and nothing's gained 237 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 4: except for saying I got it first and got it 238 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: out there. The downside is we put his life in 239 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: danger very much so, and then also the hundreds, if 240 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 4: not thousands of people that were supporting that mission to 241 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 4: try and catch him because we told the bad guys, hey, 242 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 4: we know he's there. You know he's there, so now 243 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 4: they can focus their attention on fighting us to try 244 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 4: and get him first. 245 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 6: You know, when we think about leaks, we always think 246 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 6: about it at the national level. As you worked at 247 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 6: the FBI, you know here in Central Indiana, did that 248 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 6: happen very often? How much was you know, kind of 249 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 6: information security question seriously or did you have issues where 250 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 6: people leaked links to the media. How much did you 251 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 6: deal with that in your time at the FBI. 252 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 4: I was trying to process that very quickly. How much 253 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 4: attention I want from my former employer when I answered 254 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: this question. So, I had suspicions very strongly about someone 255 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: and something that would happen on a regular basis, and 256 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 4: just that little light bulb was going off. We'd be 257 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 4: bringing fugues at six am. Hit the bad guys. We 258 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: do big sweeps, bringing the entire state of Indiana, or 259 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 4: other SWAT teams around the Midwest or the country or whatever, 260 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: how big the operation is. I always wondered how one 261 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 4: certain news person was always standing up in Castleton on 262 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 4: the berm in front of our office. I always wondered, 263 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 4: how when I'm bringing my future at six fifteen am, 264 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: how was that same person as was there. I think 265 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: I figured out later. I think I had it figured 266 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: it out again. I couldn't prove anything, but yeah, there's 267 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if it's the smallest police department by 268 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 4: the way, city water sanitation, I don't care who it is. 269 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: If people think they have good dirt and they want 270 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: to share it, they will, And that's I will say 271 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: this after dabbling in politics. Now, I took for granted 272 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 4: how air tight information is in the FBI. I just 273 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 4: I just assumed that was the norm being in politics 274 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: a little bit. As Jim can attest to Pain. 275 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 5: You went from one spectrum to the other. 276 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 6: Right exactly, from airtight to just the leaking sieve. 277 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 4: I was very naive about how that worked. And I 278 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 4: understand using information to your advantage, but it just feels 279 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: like in the world of politics, you can't I can't 280 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: tell Ji something right now. And then five minutes later 281 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 4: that person I talked about comes right back to me 282 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 4: and says, hey, Jim told me you just mentioned this. 283 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, that's I really took for great Because 284 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 4: the FBI has some super sensitive classified information. Obviously I 285 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: mentioned you before that ghost murmur you're talking about earlier 286 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 4: in the show when I was driving up. Obviously fantastic technology. 287 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it was developed at Crane Naval Base, 288 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 4: but similar to that, I did a lot of work 289 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 4: at counterintelligence at Crane Naval Base. The information they are 290 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 4: developing there, the technology for the war fighter is insane. 291 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 4: In our backyard right down the road. 292 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: Here, you know, along those lines, how much trepidation do 293 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: you have coming in here talking to us, because unless 294 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: you're I guess wanting to get your security clearance back, 295 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 3: is it's okay, it doesn't matter to you or like. 296 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 4: In typical government fashion. I'm not sure I ever lost it. 297 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: I think it might hasn't expired yet I don't believe 298 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 4: to me, but I I haven't followed up on that. 299 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 6: Again. 300 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: I did have some inquiries about coming back to join 301 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 4: the government last year twice, but I didn't take them 302 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 4: real seriously. So I'm generally not a social media kind 303 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 4: of guy. Until I retired, I didn't have any social 304 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 4: media to I retired, and now it helped me my 305 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 4: business sense and also things like this and politics. Yeah, 306 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: it's concerning. It's always concerning, But it was concerning when 307 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 4: I was in the Bureau and Al Qaeda was putting 308 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 4: on information to tell their followers to hunt down US 309 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: government officials, FBI military and slaughter their families by using 310 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 4: social media. That kind of stuff bothered me more so then. 311 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: But it is a fine line that you have to 312 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 3: walk between being transparent and let the American people know 313 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: what's going on, but also not giving away resources or operations. 314 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: Almost definitely, And that's it's the same thing when you're 315 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: work in source development. Human intelligence is why I worked 316 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: the end of my career, which is what I guarantee you, 317 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: The CIA, the military, any government agents was using to 318 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 4: try and find that down pilot in Iran was that 319 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 4: you're gathering intel, ghost murmur helps. But if that hadn't worked, 320 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: you're still trying to get local village people to tell 321 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 4: you where he's at, how they're protecting him. Hopefully they 322 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 4: do that stuff in advance. By the way, laid the 323 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 4: groundwork with will be in your country soon. If you 324 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 4: have a chance to help our government, we will help you. 325 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: So start thinking about those kinds of things. But yeah, 326 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: same thing when you're working with sources, whether it's a 327 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 4: drug source, a terrorist source, motorcycle gangs, it doesn't matter. 328 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 4: You can't trust them. 329 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: So what is the standard process for determining if something 330 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: is classified versus publicly accessible information? 331 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 5: Somebody tells you no classified. 332 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: I would say I was guilty of this as well, 333 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: but overclassifying, Like when I was working sensitive stuff, I 334 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: overclassified because I had classification authority. I think most agents do, 335 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 4: all agents do. But then it goes through your chin 336 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 4: of command, and they they could question why you did it. 337 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 4: But a lot of times I think I aired the 338 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 4: side of caution, which is probably not the best policy, 339 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: but I figured I'd rather err on that side than 340 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: the other side and let something be out. 341 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: And the reason that you were upset about the leaker 342 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: was because they were potentially putting lives in danger. 343 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: Particularly our people. But yes, again, I had information and 344 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 4: terrorism when I worked that for many years. That I mean, 345 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 4: you can get people to give up information that are 346 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 4: here in our country, visiting or living now, but you 347 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 4: can get people to give up information about their not 348 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: only their country, their military secrets. It's amazing what they'll share, 349 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: even their family. And I had I shared that with 350 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 4: somebody else outside of there, if i'd come home to 351 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 4: know what happened worth today? Honey, Oh well, let me 352 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 4: tell you. This guy's diving out his military and here's 353 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: what's going to happen next. And here's what I sent 354 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 4: somebody back to his military to take it over. It 355 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: doesn't it makes you feel good, you both, I was great, 356 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: I had a great day. On the flip side, it 357 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: ruins everything and then he turn it back against us 358 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 4: and gets people hurt. 359 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and people will do it for money or to 360 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: leave the country. 361 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 5: They're currently in a lot of different reasons. 362 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 4: I always told new police officers don't always use logic. 363 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 4: You think there's no way somebody would tell you this 364 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: or act that way, or again, Hey I'll give you money, 365 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: no thanks, Hey I'll give you a authority to be here. No, 366 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: and then there's some weird thing in their minds. FBI 367 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: people have been arrested for that. I still can't figureut 368 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: a lot of the leakers, the major ones in the FBI, 369 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: what they did it for. It wasn't money, it wasn't retaliation. 370 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 4: Their CIA guys got in trouble in the past because 371 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 4: they turned into a spy because they were mad about 372 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: their office assignment. There's other people. You just can't figure 373 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: out why they even did it. 374 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 5: Oh, I you just don't know what motivates somebody. 375 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: Doesn't have to make sense. You just did it for 376 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: their reasons. 377 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: Yep, we appreciate you. Where can people find you? 378 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 4: He just placed on Facebook Corey Grass c O R 379 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 4: Y G R A S S. Where I do have 380 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: a consulting company at apexdefend dot com. 381 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: All right, thank you? 382 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 3: That is Corey Grass former FBI special agent, and you're 383 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: listening to Casey and Jim. 384 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,239 Speaker 5: It is ninety three WIBC. 385 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 6: What is your problem? I got a lot of problems 386 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 6: with your people. Do we have a problem. What's your problem? 387 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 6: I got ninety nine problems on ninety three double TYBC. 388 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: It is time for our little group therapy and what's 389 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: your problem? 390 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 6: Yeah? I think we both have a problem with this, 391 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 6: but Casey, you start us off. What's your problem? Okay? 392 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: So every generation is shaped by the world that they 393 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: grow up in. And I came across this and it 394 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: seemed okay until I got to the bottom of the list. 395 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: So I'll just go down and really quick with you 396 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 3: baby boomers. They work hard, they stay loyal, The system 397 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: will reward them. They built the system. Then you go 398 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: into Gen X, trust no one, figure it out for yourself. 399 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 3: The quiet survivors of every change. 400 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 6: Yep, that's us. 401 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 5: Millennials. 402 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: Follow your passion, escape the nine to five, big dreams, 403 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 3: bigger bills, gen Z, question everything, protect your mental health. 404 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: They were raised online and a world of constant noise. 405 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: Gen Alpha born with tablets, raised by algorithm, the first 406 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: kids growing up with AI everywhere, and then the last 407 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 3: one Gen Beta twenty twenty five to twenty thirty nine, 408 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: and they're described as born into AI. They may never 409 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 3: know a world without it. My problem is with the 410 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: phrase Jen beta. Oh, the name about this. This is 411 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: a generation that is inheriting a world with AI everything, 412 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: alien confirmation rumors, drone warfare, robot cars that freeze in traffic, 413 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 3: and a government that can't fund itssel off for weeks. 414 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: Yikes, Gen Beta? 415 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 6: Are you kidding me? 416 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 5: We're calling them Gen Beta? 417 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: How are they gonna survive being known as the beta? 418 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 6: I don't know who kind of comes up with these names, 419 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 6: you know, Gen X, millennial, gen Z, all that sort 420 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 6: of stuff. But and again to be you know, repeat 421 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 6: the people born starting in twenty twenty five. That's the 422 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 6: next generation. And the best we can come up with 423 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 6: so far is jen beta. That's I mean, that's always secondary. 424 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 6: You think of alpha males and beta males. Nobody wants 425 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 6: to be the beta. There's gotta be the beta, you 426 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 6: know the Greek out there's got to be a better 427 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 6: letter in the Greek alphabet than beta. 428 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 5: How about omega? 429 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: With everything that's going. 430 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 5: On, Yes, that is it Generation Omega. 431 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 6: That is one hundred times. I hope not, but. 432 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: But but don couldn't we have just skipped beta and 433 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 3: gone to Delta or Gamma or anything else, but gen Beta. 434 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 5: I feel like we're setting them up for failure with that. 435 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 6: This is the time now, because it's just starting. The 436 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 6: conversation about what to name the generation after jen Alpha 437 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 6: is just starting now, so hopefully we can kind of 438 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 6: moved culture in that direction a little bit. We know 439 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 6: we hate gen Beta. I think you've hit a home 440 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 6: run with jen Omega. That's spectacular. I wouldn't want to 441 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 6: be part of something called Generation Beta, but jen o 442 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 6: Omega I like that a lot. 443 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's my problem. I don't like the name. 444 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: I'm not going to use it. Even if you've got 445 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: a baby right now, little newborn who's just barely. 446 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 5: Learning to crawl, I'm not calling it jen beta. 447 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 6: Go back to you had a description for every generation, 448 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 6: go back, since we're both gen X, go back and 449 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 6: do gen X again. 450 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: Gen X between born between nineteen sixty five and nineteen eighty. 451 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 5: They say, trust no one, ye figure it out yourself. 452 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 6: Yep. 453 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: Check the quiet survivors of every change and the generation. 454 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 5: That God Donald Trump elected. 455 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 6: This that sums up our generation as well as anything 456 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 6: I've ever heard that had a spot on with that 457 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 6: for sure. 458 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety 459 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: three WIBC. Donald Trump announced a two week ceasefire with 460 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 3: Iran and that pauses US strikes and aims to reopen 461 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 3: the Strait of Horneuz, which is of course a clear 462 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: global shipping route. However, it's being reported this morning that 463 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: the strait is now completely closed to tanker traffic. It's 464 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: being halted by Iran after the Iranians accuse Israel of 465 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: breaking the ceasefire. So now we've got a tip for 466 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 3: tat back and forth that is happening in the region. 467 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 5: And you have to wonder how long is this going 468 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 5: to last? 469 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: And how long will Donald Trump tolerate this when it's 470 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 3: supposed to be a quote ceasefire. 471 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, there's going to be a ton of confusion, 472 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 6: especially in these first couple of days here. Lots of 473 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 6: questions out there. Number one, you know, will this cease 474 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 6: fire hold? There were reports that right after the ceasefire 475 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 6: was announced last night that Iran was still shooting off 476 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 6: missiles and drones against its Arab neighbors in that region. 477 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 6: So that's number one. And now this, you know, you know, 478 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 6: I think everybody got in their mind when they heard 479 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 6: that there was going to be a ceasefire, instantly think, oh, okay, 480 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 6: this is we're on our way here, this is about 481 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 6: to be ended. It's gonna be it's gonna be a 482 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 6: lot more complicated to that than that. You're gonna hear 483 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 6: a ton of rhetoric. There's gonna be a ton of 484 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 6: rhetoric coming out of you know, Donald Trump and his administration, 485 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 6: but also the Iranians and other leaders around the world, 486 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 6: and certainly from countries in that region. Everything is still 487 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 6: a question mark at this point in time, and you 488 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 6: have to take you have to take any sort of 489 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 6: information that you get with a grain of salt at 490 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 6: this point because a lot of these people are gonna 491 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 6: be jockeying for position, and you're gonna be putting out 492 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 6: a ton of rhetoric. 493 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 3: So Donald Trump said the US would help manage backlog 494 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 3: and shipping traffic once Hormuz reopens. However, according to some reports, 495 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 3: is completely closed again to everybody. 496 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 5: Both Washington and Tehran. 497 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 3: They're positioning for their different positions, as you mentioned, but 498 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: there's a lot of uncertainties and those are going to remain, 499 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: and the durability of the ceasefire any sort of agreement 500 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: will come into question, and the question about long term 501 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: peace in that area will be asked for quite a while, 502 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 3: as long as there's still all of these skirmishes. 503 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 5: And the back and forth that has happened. 504 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 6: Well, Casey, you mentioned, you know, to start the show 505 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 6: earlier this morning, that there are a lot of people 506 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 6: in Israel that aren't supportive of the seafire. They want 507 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 6: to see the attacks on Iran continue, and so there's 508 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 6: you know, I mean, Israel supposed to be our partner 509 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 6: on this now, whether or not those reports are factual 510 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 6: and accurate or if that's just some rumblings from some people. 511 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 6: That's the other part of this. To keep in mind 512 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 6: that as this ceasefire, you know, let's assume that the 513 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 6: ceasefire holds for the next two weeks, everybody in the 514 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 6: world is going to be wanting to position themselves and 515 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 6: get their story out. So you're gonna have the media 516 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 6: that's gonna put out the story about Donald Trump caved. 517 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 6: Oh no, this is Donald Trump lost. This This was 518 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 6: a mess. Never should have done in the first place, 519 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 6: and then you'll have people from Israel that put out 520 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 6: their position, and then all the European leaders have kind 521 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 6: of been on the sidelines, which by the way, been 522 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 6: on the sidelines when they're one of the areas that 523 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 6: are most dramatically affected over things like the closing of 524 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 6: the Straight of Horror moves. So you're gonna hear European 525 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 6: leaders put out their positions. Take everything that's said with 526 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 6: a grain of salt. There's going to be a ton 527 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 6: of rhetoric going around and very few facts that actually 528 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 6: take place. 529 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: The ceasefire mediated with the help from Pakistan, So you 530 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: almost got to feel like these other countries that have 531 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 3: been in this coalition, they need to get in there 532 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 3: and start leveraging what they have because when you think 533 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: about it, you had multiple different deadlines, and the first 534 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 3: one was between the US and Iran. That was just 535 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 3: two countries. The second deadline is when Pakistan entered, and 536 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: then it was no longer just the two parties, it 537 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: was three. Then the third deadline brought in not only Pakistan, 538 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 3: but Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. And now this fourth 539 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 3: deadline has an actual framework and a named document with 540 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: the ten point proposal that Iran has to sign. 541 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: All of this. 542 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: So you've got more than just United States and Iran, 543 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: You've got all of these multiple countries in the area, 544 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: and they've got to start using their leverage to get 545 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: this to happen. 546 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 547 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 6: Look, everybody's got a stake in this, Even countries that 548 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 6: aren't directly involved with the military action have a stake 549 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 6: in this, whether it's China or India or a lot 550 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 6: of the countries I mentioned before in Europe. And we 551 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 6: hope that the ceasefire will hold. You know, it is 552 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 6: kind of moving markets right now. The stock market, the 553 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 6: Dow Jones is currently up about eleven hundred points, the 554 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 6: Nasdaq is up almost six hundred points. The price of 555 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 6: oil has dropped dramatically overnight. And so while the markets 556 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 6: are you know, breathing a sigh of relief and thinking, 557 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 6: oh great, we can go back to the way things 558 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 6: were before and start making money again. Yeah, take a pause. 559 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 6: This is a war that's taking place. There's a lot 560 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 6: of moving parts to it. We hope the ceasefire will hold, 561 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 6: but that doesn't mean it will. And reports that we're 562 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 6: getting about the straight of horn Mos being closed again 563 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 6: not a great sign. Early on in this ceasefire, you had. 564 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 5: Us General Dan Kine. 565 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: He said that they consumed more than nine hundred and 566 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: fifty thousand gallons of coffee, two million energy drinks, and 567 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: a lot of nicotine. 568 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 6: That's a direct quote, by the way, from the Chairman 569 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 6: of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That's what our American 570 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 6: military consumed during this military operation with the nine hundred 571 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 6: and fifty thousand gallons of coffee, two million energy, two 572 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 6: million Red bull or what a monster or whatever energy drink, 573 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 6: and quote a lot of nicotine. If you've ever talked 574 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 6: to anybody or known anybody that's been in the military, 575 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 6: none of that is a surprise. Those guys run on 576 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 6: caffeine and nicotine. 577 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 3: Your dad was in the Navy for many years, and 578 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: he smoked while he was in the Navy, and he 579 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 3: would always when he would go to light a cigarette, 580 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: he would always try to brace the wind from putting 581 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 3: the flame. 582 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 6: Out, even if he was inside. 583 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: And yes, years later he doesn't smoke anymore, but years 584 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 3: later he would still do that. You know, he'd put 585 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: a cup his hand around with a lighter, hit the 586 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: the sugarette to make sure that wind couldn't blow it 587 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: out well on a navy ship. That makes sense when 588 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 3: you're out on the ocean. A lot of wind when 589 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: you're in your garage. Not necessary, he said. It was 590 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 3: just an old habit. 591 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean look back, especially back then when 592 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 6: my dad was in the Navy. They I mean a 593 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 6: lot of times they would just show up, see the 594 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 6: military or the cigarette manufacturers will just drop off cases 595 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 6: and cases of cigarettes and hand them out for free. 596 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 6: And so yeah, the idea that the military has run 597 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 6: on caffeine and nicotine has been goes back a long way. 598 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 3: So let's have some good news. The crew of NASA's 599 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 3: Artemis two mission. They left their lunar sphere of influence 600 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: and they are headed back to Earth. 601 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: Good morning, Houston. We are two hundred and two three 602 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: hundred and six natine miles away. Arth is pulling us 603 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: back and we. 604 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 6: Are happy about that. 605 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: And we're ready for morning DPC. 606 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 4: We're happy about that too, and ready for DPC. 607 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: We've got about a dozen quick items for you in Channity. 608 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: This is the International State Station. 609 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 6: How are you here? 610 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,719 Speaker 2: A International Space station in Jessica. We have you loud 611 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: and clear. How about us? 612 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: We have you loud and clear as well and DNT yes, 613 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: so we have a view of you right now. 614 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 4: It is making up so excited. 615 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: From the four members of the space Grant Integrity, we 616 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: really want to just say our deepest appreciation to the 617 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: seven members of ir National Space Station. And it's been 618 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: a true treat. I take the entire world to do 619 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: amazing things like this and to get to come together 620 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 2: at this group of people and talk for just a minute. 621 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: At these distances. We are all off the planet Earth 622 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: right now, and we're all going to go home to 623 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: that planet, and that is a very special thing. 624 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 4: We are loving all four of you from s Say 625 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 4: Station and lower Orbit. We'll keep the fires turning here. 626 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: Getting back to the Moon shows that America still leads 627 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: in real exploration and space is where grip matters, not politics. 628 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've loved everything about this Artemis mission. It's been 629 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 6: a lot of fun to kind of watch the whole 630 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 6: process play out. It's great to see America back and 631 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 6: going to the Moon again and have a firm plan 632 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 6: to put some Americans on the surface of the Moon again. 633 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 6: NASA did get some details covered about their return, so 634 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 6: it is scheduled now for Friday. They are planning on 635 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 6: splashing down just outside of San Diego in the Pacific Ocean. 636 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 6: I think, you know, we're so used to space shuttle 637 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 6: landings because that's kind of what we grew up with, 638 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 6: and they kind of land like an airplane does in 639 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 6: the middle of the desert. This is going back to 640 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 6: the way they used to do things during the Apollo 641 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 6: program in the sixties. This is a capsule that will 642 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 6: splash down in the ocean. We talked about this when 643 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 6: it took off that you know, a lot of those 644 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 6: of us that were Gen X that grew up watching 645 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 6: the Challenger disaster in nineteen eighty six literally in our 646 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 6: classrooms on live television. We kind of were white knuckling 647 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 6: the takeoff. But I think that we're going to be, 648 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 6: you know, kind of white knuckling the return as well. 649 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 6: There's that famous movie Apollo thirteen and the moving scene 650 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 6: at the end where they're waiting for the capsule to 651 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 6: go through the re entry process and all communication is 652 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 6: shut down, and you're waiting, and you're waiting, and you're waiting, 653 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 6: and then you finally see those shoots deploy and the 654 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 6: capsule lands safely in the ocean. That's kind of the 655 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 6: next big The next most riskiest moved in this entire 656 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 6: operation is going to be that capsule going through re 657 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 6: entry on Friday and then splashing down in the ocean. 658 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: Did you see? 659 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: SpaceX is moving ahead with their plans for a massive IPO. 660 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 5: It's expected to be in mid June. 661 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: The company aims to raise about seventy five billion dollars, 662 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: which would make it the largest IPO in US history 663 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: if they're successful. 664 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, here's the shocking part about this, Elon Musk's SpaceX company. 665 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 6: The valuation once this goes public, it is based on 666 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 6: a valuation of one point seventy five trillion dollars. They 667 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 6: will automatically have a market cap to make it the 668 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 6: largest company in the entire world as far as stock 669 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 6: valuation goes. Keep in mind too, Elon Musk, this is 670 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 6: kind of interesting. Grock, which is Twitter's AI that got 671 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 6: moved and is also part of SpaceX now as well. 672 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 6: There's also been discussions that Elon us is talking about 673 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 6: in the future after the SpaceX IPO, potentially rolling some 674 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 6: of his other companies into the SpaceX corporate structure. SpaceX, 675 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 6: by the way, isn't just launching rockets into space. The 676 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 6: Starlink satellite service is also part of SpaceX, and that's involved. 677 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: So you've got a record shattering IPO showing you one 678 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: thing that you can bet on innovation and at the 679 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: same time you're betting on America. It's not just one 680 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: big corporate bubble. But speaking of space. 681 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 6: Got more space news SpaceX And one last thing. 682 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 5: I thought this was interesting. This is Jessica Alba. You 683 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 5: know her, she's an actress. 684 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, mildly familiar with her. 685 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: She she did a little freak out after one of 686 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 3: the astronauts was requesting her brand's lotion in space. 687 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: Ready. 688 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what might take them thinking, I'm looking for 689 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 6: specific community hygiene item that is on it pollution, so 690 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 6: it's just handlution. 691 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: And I believe the brand is Honor. I thought we 692 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: had them on board, but we at the time. 693 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 5: I'm coming around again and I. 694 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 6: Don't think our packing plan had that level of grainularity. 695 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: Thanks for tracking it out. 696 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 7: What that is wild to think that I like had 697 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 7: this idea of wanting people just to have safer, better products, 698 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 7: and I was inspired by my kid, my daughter Honor, 699 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 7: and so I named it honest because I was like, gosh, 700 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 7: wouldn't it be amazing if a company was honest and then. 701 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 5: That it's in space? 702 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 4: What that is? 703 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 5: That is wild? 704 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: That's its trip. 705 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: This is a true like. 706 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 7: A moment I never thought would be my real life 707 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 7: placement product. 708 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? 709 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: My low shoe is so good. It's two hundred fet 710 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: a few thousand miles from Earth. 711 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: It reminds me of the Natella flying by and at 712 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: a lot of the shots. 713 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 5: I mean, you couldn't pay for that kind of marketing. 714 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 6: Oh, Jessica, al but she needed this, didn't she. I mean, 715 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 6: she's already a world famous actress, starred in movies. We're 716 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 6: tens and tons of millions of bucks. That girl can 717 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 6: never get a break. Glad she got some product placement 718 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 6: on the on the current NASA mission here for her 719 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 6: space lotion that she's actually it's technically it's just regular lotion. 720 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 6: You can use it any space lotion now, but now 721 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 6: it's called space lotion. Why does it always seem like 722 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 6: celebrities always get the best breaks, like everything they like, 723 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 6: they lead a charmed life. I would you know, would 724 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 6: be kind of nice maybe if there was some mom 725 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 6: and pop lotion company that got the shout out from NASA. 726 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 6: But no, of course it's got to go to a rich, famous. 727 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 3: Celebrity who doesn't need the marketing Jessica Albing or even 728 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 3: the money. 729 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to Casey and Jim. 730 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 5: It is ninety three WIBC. 731 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 3: It's one of those distinctly then American institutions that is 732 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: going away summer nights, car radios, popcorn, a speaker in 733 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 3: your window. Well you've got the Starlight Drive in in 734 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 3: Mechanicsburg and Boone County, northwest Indianapolis has been closed and 735 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 3: now it's been sold. The owner's posted the closure on 736 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 3: their Facebook page. 737 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 5: The theater was built. 738 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: In nineteen forty six and it's about eighty years old, 739 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 3: making it one of the longest standing drive in theaters 740 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 3: in Indiana. 741 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 5: And its day is over. 742 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's kind of a it's sad to see these, 743 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 6: you know, going by the wayside these days. Do you 744 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 6: ever go to the drive in theater as a kid, 745 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So with the little small town 746 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 6: I lived in outside of Chicago and grew up, and 747 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 6: we had a drive in theater in our town, and 748 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 6: so we actually regularly went. I remember the first time 749 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 6: we went. It was you know, my parents and my 750 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 6: brother and sisters, and we all loaded up into the 751 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 6: station wagon. And this is probably about like nineteen seventy nine, 752 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 6: nineteen eighty. We saw double feature for this, Yeah, Silver Streak, 753 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 6: the James or the Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor movie, 754 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 6: the second movie Star Wars. 755 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 3: That's interesting because the last movie I can recall seeing 756 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 3: in the drive in theater with Spaceballs. 757 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,959 Speaker 6: That was much later. It was like a later eighties movie. 758 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 6: And we took our daughter to the drive in once 759 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 6: just because we wanted to make sure that she could 760 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 6: give me a horrible mom I don't remember it experience 761 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 6: that we take her to see. I couldn't even remember. 762 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 6: It was a weird drive in. There were like a 763 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 6: dozen screens all over the place and you could kind 764 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 6: of pick which one you wanted to watch. There was 765 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 6: some kids movie, some Pixar movie that was playing that 766 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 6: we think it was Finding Nemo was I think it 767 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 6: might have been Finding Nemo, just because we thought that 768 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 6: she's coming back to me now before all the drive 769 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 6: ins go out of business, we thought that she should, 770 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 6: you know, have the drive in theater experience. 771 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 5: She remembers it probably she probably doesn't. Probably doesn't. I 772 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 5: barely remember it. 773 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,479 Speaker 6: She was she was fair. I mean she was maybe 774 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 6: seven or eight years old at the time. 775 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you've got you know, what was a low 776 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 3: tradition community hub now going away, and that's. 777 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 5: Just another piece of nostalgia. 778 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean forever. Look, I mean the movie theaters 779 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 6: are having trouble getting bodies in the seats, let alone 780 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 6: drive ins at this point in time, So it all 781 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 6: does tend to be at this point, it's just nostalgia. 782 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 6: You want to go for the experience. 783 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 3: To somebody drove past that screen for the last time 784 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 3: without knowing it was the last time. 785 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 6: And over eighty years in business man, that's back in 786 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 6: the sixties. 787 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, you know, with changing technology and entertainment habits, 788 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 3: of course they're going to become even more rare, if 789 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 3: you know, any still exists anymore. 790 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 6: We popped our own popcorn and brought in when we 791 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 6: have we brought our own snacks and foods when we 792 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 6: took our daughter. 793 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: Sneak people in. 794 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 6: Actually this drive in, you if you brought your own food, 795 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 6: you had to like pay like a fee. There was 796 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 6: like a bring your own food feed or something like that, right, Yeah, 797 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 6: well that's where the movie theaters make their money. 798 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 5: Do you ever try and sneak people in, hide him 799 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 5: in the backseat. 800 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 6: No. I never went as a teenager. That's like a 801 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 6: teenager thing to do. And I never went to the 802 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 6: drive in as a teenager. I went as a little 803 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 6: kid and then brought my kid as an adult. So 804 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 6: I didn't hide people in the trunk like you see 805 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:14,439 Speaker 6: in the movie. 806 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: You didn't throw. 807 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 3: Blankets on top of him telling him to be quiet, shh. 808 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 3: Just trying to save a bucker two. 809 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: Thank you Jim, Thank you Kevin, Thank you for listening. 810 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 5: This is ninety three WIBC.