1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: I have never heard people discuss the idea of cheating 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: in the NFL more than I have over the last 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: six months. Tony Katz Tony Kats today, Good to be 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: with you, Good to be here. Find everything I do 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: over at tonykats dot com. Never in my life have 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: I heard so many people talk about cheating in football 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: that very clearly there's something going on, and it's all 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: has to do with the gambling, and the gambling has 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: become so prolific and proficient everybody's doing it ubiquitous, that 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: would be the right word. That clearly games are getting 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: manipulated in order to beat the spread and not beat 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: the spread. 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: It's nuts. 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: And this was the latest was Dave Portnoy over there 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: at barstool and so he posts this video to his 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: Twitter feed. 17 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: So I don't know what the rules are, but I'm 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: sharing it. 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: I have. 20 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: The NFL wants to come take it down, that's fine. 21 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: This is the Broncos Raiders game now, full disclosure. I 22 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: am not saying that anybody is doing nothing. God I'm 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: trying to avoid that lawsuit. I noticing what it is 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: people are saying a lot. This conversation is coming up 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: everywhere that there's something really weird going on. This is 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: the Broncos, the Raiders, and the Broncos are up, by 27 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: the way, they've won ten in a row. 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: They're nuts, they're good. They're now eleven and two. 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: The Broncos are up twenty four to fourteen, and Pornoy, 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: who I don't. 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 2: Know, is just losing his mind. 32 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: It's a two minute clip where he's like, everybody has 33 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: to go to prison. 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: Listen, we need this entire segment investigated by the NFL. 35 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: Third and three to twenty four seconds. The spread is 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: Denver miise eight and a half. They were up twenty 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 3: four to seven, by the way, like two minutes to go. 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: He spikes the ball. 39 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: Why are you spiking the ball with sixteen seconds in 40 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: a ten point game? 41 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: Is beyond me? The game is over. 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: I don't know I've ever seen a spike in that situation. 43 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: Now he's got a solid point there. The Broncos are 44 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: up by ten. There's sixteen seconds left. You're not gonna 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: get two scores in sixteen seconds. What's the point of 46 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: it all? It's over. Go for the end zone. Just 47 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: to go for the end zone. It's done. Spiking the 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: ball is to stop the clock. Right, that's what you're doing. Okay, 49 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: you're there to stop the clock. I hear you, I 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: see you. I don't quite understand it. It doesn't make 51 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: sense neither here nor there. You're stopping the clock. Fine, 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: but now it gets more interesting. 53 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: But we're just starting, boys and girls, we're just starting. 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: To get now. 55 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: I want you to watch this next play because he's 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 3: gonna roll out throw a pass and caught the clock. 57 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: You should run out later. They can't get up to 58 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: spike it. 59 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: They can't even, to be honest, get called Pete Kelly 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: piece of Pete Carroll is one of the great scumbags. 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: I would honestly punch Pete Carroll right his old face 62 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 3: of my songs. 63 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: So I hear at Tony Katz today, do not recommend 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: the violence, good Lord Portnoy. The rules of the internet 65 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: versus the rules of radio were so different. 66 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: Hah. Now, I didn't know this about Pete Carroll. 67 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: I've done a much better job of getting myself up 68 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: to snuff on a lot of different sports categories football especially, 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: But man, I didn't know there was such hate for 70 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, former coach of the Seattle Seahawks, formerly there 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: USC and some other places. And now with the Las 72 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders, I had no idea, no clue. 73 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: And some people are like, oh, and some people are like, 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: you don't know. He's called Sneaky Pete. Sneaky Pete. 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: Sneaky Pete is a guy who's some low level drug 76 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: runner in a much greater Malfia story, Sneaky Peete. 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: Next thing you know, there's little Pauli. The whole thing's 78 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: going on. So he's got some choice words for Pete Carroll. 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: So the Las Vegas Raiders set up for a pass. 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: They set up for a pass. They're in the shotgun 81 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: and then this all right. 82 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: Here we go sixteen seconds. Raiders are definitely cheating right. 83 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: Now doing whatever big money clearly on the Raiders plus 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: the points. So they throw down here there's nine to eight. 85 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: Watch he gets up. They call that a delay a game. 86 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: There's four seconds. The game is over. What is that flag? 87 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: By the way, we're gonna rewind it. Jones didn't even 88 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: do anything. 89 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: So the player goes down. 90 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: The Las Vegas Raiders player goes down, and then and 91 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: he gets covered up a little bit by the Broncos 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: on the defense right to try and run out the 93 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: clock or whatever it is. But then the Broncos player 94 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: gets up and the Las Vegas player gets up, and 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, flag is thrown. And the flag 96 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: is a defense of penalty. But what does the flag do. 97 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: It stops the clock with four seconds left. And this 98 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: is what's got Portnoy out of his mind, right. He 99 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: can't believe it was called a penalty. He's talking about, 100 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna fast forward a little bit, and then he gets. 101 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: Into what is the crux of the situation at. 102 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: Delay a game, silly play when the game is over, 103 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: laid on time, Dude, I've seen that a thousand times worse. 104 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: It's four three to one, go home games over. 105 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: And then Pete Carroll runs out the field goal unit. 106 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: It kicks a field goal to end the game of 107 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: no time. 108 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: This guy prison, this ref prison, Pete Carroll prison, NFL prison. 109 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: This is the most rigged game I've ever seen. 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 2: In my entire life. 111 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: And with doing that, with kicking the field goal, they 112 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: changed I think the spread was seven and a half 113 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: and they beat the spread and people are like, this 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: is it. This is the proof the NFL is rigged. 115 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: Now I want to say, for the record again, Roger Goodell, 116 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: this is what other people are saying. 117 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 2: I did not say such a thing. 118 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: But let's not pretend that Portnoyd don't have something interesting 119 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: to talk about here, shall we? 120 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: Let us not be people. 121 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: Who want to play some great big game of make 122 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: believe that he's just making it all up. 123 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that happens. 124 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: That happened. My problem with. 125 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: All conspiracy theories is that once you buy into them, 126 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: everything's a conspiracy theory. You can find a conspiracy theory 127 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: under every pot. You can find one under every rock, 128 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: you can turn a corner pomp. Conspiracy theory just hit 129 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: me in the face. And so I think there's a 130 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: fair amount of that happening. But are we going to 131 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: pretend that the gambling doesn't have an effect on everything? 132 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: If Pete Rose existed in this world, would he had 133 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: ever been banned from baseball for life? The gambling's ubiquitous. 134 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: It's twenty four seven, three sixty five. And look, I've 135 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: done ads before for one of the uh, one of 136 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: the betting apps. I'm not opposed to the betting apps, 137 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: but holy mackerel, the people are like, you know, we've 138 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: got a real problem with betting in the United States. 139 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: They're onto something. I don't want to ban it. 140 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Someone said to me that we need to work a 141 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: great pressively to ban it. I'm like, no, it's legal, 142 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not here to stop that. There are people 143 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: out there who want to ban cigars and bourbon. I 144 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: tell those temperance folk to sit down. I'll do what 145 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: I want. I'm not interested in your thoughts. Don't tell 146 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: me about my health. I'm fully aware. Now hand me 147 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: a cigar on another bourbon, please? But is this now 148 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: getting to a place where outcomes are predetermined and worked 149 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: to achieve. Right, It's hard to predetermine whether or not 150 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: the Broncos can score. 151 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: It can be somewhat. 152 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: Arranged to ensure an opportunity for a reduction in the spread. 153 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: That's that's not theoretical. That is that that proof is 154 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: in the proof. Why do you think they called seven 155 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: and a half points? 156 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: What do you think that has point is? I gotta 157 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 2: tell you. 158 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: I not just port Noy, Right, you could argue a 159 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: Portnoy loudmouth whatever. It's a lot of people buying into this, 160 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: and we should be clear that the NFL's got a 161 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: real problem, a real problem with this. 162 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: Now, do they care? I don't think they care. 163 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, if they cared, they wouldn't be trying to 164 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: push internationally the way they are. And we are just 165 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: a decade away from having NFL teams based in other countries. 166 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: I mean, you know that. 167 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: That's coming, right, It's ten thousand percent coming. 168 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: Dear lord. 169 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: They're playing in Spain, they're playing in Germany, they're playing 170 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: in London. 171 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 2: I mean, to one said, you know, to play in 172 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: Israel would be pretty cool. They're not gonna do that. 173 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: I would like to see what NFL players don't show up, 174 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: just so I know which ones that's my jerseys of 175 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm not buying any jersey. 176 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: But this is a thing. This is a thing. The 177 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: NFL has got to start dealing. 178 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: With the fact that the fans think there's a problem, 179 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: and they think that you are liars. And so, now, 180 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: if you're betting on the games, what is it you're 181 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: betting on outcomes or what somebody else is rigged? 182 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: Is the outcome? 183 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: Don't get angry with me, NFL, I'm just reporting. 184 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: Seriously, am I getting sued? What are the odds? Are 185 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: the odds? 186 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: High Portal has got more cash than me. 187 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: They'll go after him first. 188 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting they do, but I'm saying i'd be 189 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: further down. We're like an accessory just for bringing up 190 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: the story this time. Kind of like here, he's not 191 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: the only one having this conversation. He's not the only 192 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: one bothered. The NFL better recognized they're not escaping this. 193 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: People think that they're is Sirius Chachannery and man, they're 194 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: bringing receipts. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today.