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Speaker 1: Is in Sullivan? Used? Is that really big shoe? Got

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Speaker 1: a really big show. It's Kenlly Casey show. I'm rob

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Speaker 1: that's Casey. Okay. So we got a bunch. I mean,

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Speaker 1: gonna have a fascinating conversation about school referendums. Scott Wyndham,

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Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly from the Capitol Chronicle be with us. She's

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Speaker 1: got all sorts of data on how much the state

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Speaker 1: to get to today. But first casey, Jimmy Kimmel is Donzo.

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Speaker 1: He's out of there.

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Speaker 3: Has been pulled indefinitely by ABC following controversial remarks made

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this was in regards to Charlie Kirk and

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Speaker 1: have the audio of that, Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 2: This is what Jimmy Kimmel said that got him in trouble.

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Speaker 1: We hit some new.

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Speaker 4: Lows over the weekend with the Magga Gang desperately trying

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Speaker 5: The loft of your friend Charlie Kirks, sir, personally, how

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Speaker 4: Stage of grief, construction, demolition.

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Speaker 3: So next, our media has called Kimmel's comments offensive and insensitive.

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Speaker 1: And so this was really the affiliates that air ABC

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Speaker 3: So next our media group they have thirty two ABC affiliates.

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Speaker 1: a deep dive on school referendums in Indiana sent a

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Speaker 3: So the detainees that are going to be held there

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Speaker 1: See this is the Democrats man. Every time they get

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Speaker 3: Well, Greg Porter's saying that this is a misplaced priority. No,

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Speaker 3: Of course, Ed Delaney Representative Delaney. He called for stronger

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Speaker 1: It look like we're the last people in this program

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Scott Wyndham, who is the superintendent of Amon Schools and

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Speaker 1: They've got a school referendum coming up. We've been very

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Speaker 2: It's Kennell and Casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 6: So there's a lot of talk about property taxes in

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Speaker 6: Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here, and we've talked on

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Speaker 1: Because of Senate Bill one. One of those school districts

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit. Kim Woodward. She is the president

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Speaker 1: of the Avon School Board. Kim Hello, Hello. And Scott Wyndham,

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Speaker 1: All right, So Scott, I guess I'll start with you

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Speaker 1: with this how much stuff is the government entitled to

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Speaker 5: And the one thing, first off, I appreciate you having

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Speaker 5: this really doesn't have as much to do about Senate

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Speaker 5: Our community voted to support a referendum in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to do some publics I'm a

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Speaker 1: Eight years would tell me that's twenty six, it's twenty five.

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Speaker 5: We had a lot of conversations about that this summer

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Speaker 5: So sent our referendum past in May of twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would say that the reason we chose May,

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Speaker 1: Those were the only two options.

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Speaker 5: That the school that the school districts were left with

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Speaker 1: Scott Wyndham, superintendent of Avon's schools our guest also Kim

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Speaker 1: They're going to know when the referendum is. You're saying

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Speaker 7: I'd have to say that really this is more about

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Speaker 7: But for us, this is all about decreased classroom sizes

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Speaker 1: All right, So there's a lot of people who are

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Speaker 5: That everything when we promoted anything about our community meetings

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Speaker 7: Scott, Just to clarify, Rob, that action was taken in

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Speaker 1: Sure, now, but there was a video that came out

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Speaker 1: and then the next day, and you understand why that

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Speaker 1: would rub people the wrong way. They're gonna hear about

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Speaker 1: it on the radio for me instead of hearing it

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Speaker 1: from you guys in the public, right. Yeah, And you

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Speaker 1: guys aren't mad that I shared that, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was it was available on the school's YouTube account. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Okay, Scott Wyndham is our guest, the superintendent

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Speaker 1: of Avon Schools. Do you want to hop in here? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I just have one question. Okay.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that you mentioned is if the

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Speaker 3: referendum fails, well, one of the things that you wanted

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Speaker 3: to get actually if it passes, is some school resource officers.

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Speaker 3: So my question is, if it fails, are you implying

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Speaker 3: that the students are not going to have.

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Speaker 2: Safety protocols in place?

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Speaker 5: So the key for our referendum is that what we're

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Speaker 5: asking our voters to do is maintain the services that

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Speaker 5: we have had in Avon for the last seven years.

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Speaker 5: This is a renewal referendum. So we have had our

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Speaker 5: focus on class sizes, our focus on additional supports and

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Speaker 5: opportunities for kids, instructional assistants, additional school resource officers, additional

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Speaker 5: supports that we wrap around our students, counselor social workers.

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Speaker 5: If it fails, then ultimately we're going to have to

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Speaker 5: look at what are the services that have to maintain

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Speaker 5: and the services that we're able to continue with significantly

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Speaker 5: less revenue because we don't have that those referendum dollars

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Speaker 5: coming in.

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Speaker 3: I guess Scott, one of the questions is you just

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Speaker 3: said additional sources, so that would be growth, not maintaining.

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Speaker 1: No for the renewal.

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Speaker 5: What we're saying is if we want to maintain our

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Speaker 5: great class sizes and the additional supports we have in

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Speaker 5: place right now, we have to have the funds that

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Speaker 5: we've had for the last seven years.

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Speaker 1: To be able to continue to do.

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Speaker 7: Our growth pattern in Avon has been exponential. I moved

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Speaker 7: to Avon in nineteen ninety nine. There were thirty four

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Speaker 7: hundred kids in the entire school district.

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Speaker 1: To blame for all the traffic. I am one hundred percent.

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Speaker 7: That was me And now what we have ten thousand,

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Speaker 7: seven hundred students in our school district.

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Speaker 1: So I think what Scott is saying.

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Speaker 7: Is maintaining our current state under this referendum renewal is

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Speaker 7: important to us, but we will only grow as our

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Speaker 7: population grows. As our student population grows.

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Speaker 1: We feel very.

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Speaker 7: Well equipped right now with certainly our teachers, but our

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Speaker 7: officers as well, and that would only change if our

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Speaker 7: growth pattern continues.

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Speaker 5: And I think the thing that we will prioritize all

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Speaker 5: the time is students, say hundred above everything else. So

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Speaker 5: whether a referendum is successful or loses, that's always going

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Speaker 5: to be our top priority. But ultimately we have to

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Speaker 5: make priorities. So if we want to make if a

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Speaker 5: referendum fails, and we want to maintain school resource officers,

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Speaker 5: then other things are going to have to get cut

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Speaker 5: if that funding goes away.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and now I'm sure you guys know that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things that sank the Brownsburg referendum several years

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Speaker 1: ago is when the superintendent tried to imply kids we're

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Speaker 1: going to be in danger if they didn't pass the referendum.

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Speaker 1: So you guys have clearly learned from that. Very well done.

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Speaker 1: All right, Okay, let's take a quick break. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, we'll continue this conversation about school referendums in

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Speaker 1: the state of Indiana, went property taxes in the state

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Speaker 1: of Indiana, and public education policy in the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Kim Woodward, president of the Avon School Board, and Scott Wyndham,

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Speaker 1: the Superintendent of Avon Schools. Our guests Kennel Casey Show

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Speaker 1: ninety three WIBC six ninety three WIBC. It is the

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Speaker 1: Kendall with Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's or Casey. We're

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Speaker 1: having this incredibly interesting conversation with Scott Wyndham, is the

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Speaker 1: superintendent of schools in Avon, Kim Woodward, who is the

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Speaker 1: Avon School Board President.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'd like to take a moment to compliment you

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Speaker 3: because you're doing an excellent job with this.

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Speaker 2: But let's continue on.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna clip that and save that forever. Philosophically, people

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Speaker 1: are saying, look, my property taxes have doubled, they've tripled.

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Speaker 1: I've paid a lot. Where did all that money go?

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Speaker 1: And how would the school have existed if the property

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Speaker 1: taxes hadn't gone up? If you guys are saying you

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Speaker 1: don't have enough money, like, do you understand why people

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Speaker 1: are like, I've paid all this extra money that I

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Speaker 1: wasn't paying four or five years ago, and I'm paying

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Speaker 1: a referendum on top of that. Where does all that

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Speaker 1: money go?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: And one of the things we've said in all of

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Speaker 5: the community meetings that we've had in Avon is we

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Speaker 5: will sit down and go over our financial information with anyone.

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Speaker 1: And it is complicated.

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Speaker 5: Our state legislature has made school finance very complicated, with

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Speaker 5: lots of specific buckets that have to be spent on

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Speaker 5: specific things. So all of our assessed values have gone up,

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Speaker 5: no doubt. We as a school district don't have any

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Speaker 5: control over how people's assessed values have gone up. But

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Speaker 5: what we do have control over our tax rates for

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Speaker 5: the school district. And so what we've been able to do,

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Speaker 5: and with a strong school board, they've been able to

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Speaker 5: decrease our overall tax rate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you guys jacked it up big time with

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Speaker 1: that referendum. So I mean it's like you're decreasing. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of federal government speak there, right, you're decreasing the

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Speaker 1: increase so.

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Speaker 5: Well, but I would say, if you look, the voters

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Speaker 5: approved a referendum tax rate of thirty five cents in

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. Sure they have never collected that full amount,

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Speaker 5: and we've decreased that amount thirty two percent.

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Speaker 1: But everything you're collecting is above the above the tax.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and that's why ultimately voters have to go and

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Speaker 5: decide that they want to do that. And really, schools

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Speaker 5: are the one entity that the state legislature says you

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Speaker 5: have to go and specifically ask for a referendum for

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Speaker 5: additional funding. And we've been really strategic since twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 5: and the board has given really clear direction. We are

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Speaker 5: only going to collect funds that we need to meet

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Speaker 5: the three priorities of our referendum, and if we don't

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Speaker 5: need more, we're not going to collect more. And so

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Speaker 5: we have been able to drop that tax rate thirty

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Speaker 5: two percent since the voters approved it in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: And now we're asking for a reduced tax rate from

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Speaker 5: what they approved in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: But it is above the cap. Oh, absolutely, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: It's so like, do you guys view and we'll just

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Speaker 1: run a little long here, and by full credit for

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Speaker 1: you guys coming in and nobody's held you hostage. You're

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Speaker 1: all getting as far as we know we're getting. Now

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Speaker 1: it's not over. We always have this conversation when people

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Speaker 1: are hesitant to come in, but you guys wanted to

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Speaker 1: come in, and I think that's awesome. So like, where

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Speaker 1: where does this end? Like, like, are we because the

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Speaker 1: premise of Senate but one is, hey, property taxes are

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Speaker 1: out of control and then be able to come right

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Speaker 1: back and defeed a referendum, Like does this ever end?

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Speaker 1: Or are we just in the continued we wish it

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Speaker 1: would this mean.

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Speaker 7: I believe that if the our Indiana legislature would stop

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Speaker 7: inflicting pain by a thousand strikes every single legislative session,

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Speaker 7: some of this could end.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 7: That means that a huge amount of Indiana's budget is

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Speaker 7: being funneled to charter and voucher schools, which are not

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Speaker 7: held to the same accountability standards as public schools. And

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Speaker 7: if that money could come back to public schools, and

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Speaker 7: that that could be focused on remedying any of the

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Speaker 7: issues that public schools have. I believe that referenda funding

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Speaker 7: would no longer be necessary.

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Speaker 1: So we could start an alliance if we get rid

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Speaker 1: of the if we get rid of the money of

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Speaker 1: the charter schools, we'll all agree no referendums than everybody

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Speaker 1: abides by the cap. Are we cutting a deal right now?

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Speaker 7: Are we cutting a deal on public I mean, if

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Speaker 7: I had the ability to cut that deal with you,

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Speaker 7: I would right now. But I definitely believe that referendu

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Speaker 7: funding is really about trying to gain back what we've

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Speaker 7: lost through some of those activities. Certainly, send it and

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Speaker 7: rolldack to one has put a lot of school districts

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Speaker 7: on notice that they will not have the operating ca

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Speaker 7: capital that they will need to operate in the upcoming year.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're going for an hour. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you want any part of that. Guys. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming in. Like, we don't obviously agree on a lot

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Speaker 1: of things, but I really appreciate you guys coming in

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Speaker 1: and being transparent with the community, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: going to actually work out pretty well for you guys.

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Speaker 1: So Scott Wyndham, Kim Wodwick, thank you for your time,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. That's Kennel A Casey Show. I'm

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Speaker 1: Rob Casey's here. Look, Casey, I think you know it's

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Speaker 1: interesting this discussion about schools and Senate Bill one, and

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Speaker 1: there's just this universal agreement on all sides that this

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Speaker 1: bill was so bad. Yes they should have vetoed it,

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Speaker 1: like it doesn't who is it actually working for. Like

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Speaker 1: a lot of times in public policy, there are depending

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Speaker 1: on what side of the eyel you're on, there are

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Speaker 1: winners and there are losers. And in this case, I

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Speaker 1: don't see other than the corporations who are going to

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Speaker 1: get this massive tax break if they ultimately do repeal

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Speaker 1: the business personal property tax. I don't see who the winner.

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Speaker 1: And all of this was because if your goal was

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Speaker 1: to get public education in line, you have still allowed

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Speaker 1: them to basically do a bunch of I'll use the

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Speaker 1: term shenanigans. Other people might use the term like financial

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Speaker 1: maneuvers that were in place that'll keep property taxes high.

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Speaker 1: If your goal was to support support and air quotes

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Speaker 1: public schools, well clearly they don't feel that's happening either.

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Speaker 1: So what constituency got served in all of this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one. You're right, the business is won. That's

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Speaker 2: who won.

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Speaker 1: And Braun is still out there taking a victory lap

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Speaker 1: on this bill. The General Assembly is still trying to

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Speaker 1: convince people that they somehow helped anyone. I mean, you,

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Speaker 1: as a taxpayer, you are going to see your taxes

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Speaker 1: go up. Look that thing in Avon probably gonna pass.

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Speaker 1: Hope it doesn't, Hope it fails, but it's probably going

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Speaker 1: to pass because you have to have such a super

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Speaker 1: organized opposition most of the time to defeat these things,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they have that out there now. Again,

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Speaker 1: totally cheerleading for it to go down. If you try

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Speaker 1: it in Brownsburg, there'll be a very organized opposition.

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Speaker 2: Well, not every community has Rob Kendall.

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Speaker 1: Though, Well, and this is what they bank on. So

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Speaker 1: you're gonna the aim On people are gonna see their

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Speaker 1: taxes stay above the cap. So this relief you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to get from Braun is going to be totally offset

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Speaker 1: by the referendum. There's a better chance than not. Within

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Speaker 1: five years, most of these Central Indiana communities are going

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Speaker 1: to come for a local income tax increase in some shape,

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Speaker 1: form or fashion. We're seeing these other committees do these

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Speaker 1: wheel taxes. How did the taxpayers win if the goal

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Speaker 1: was to get property taxes under control? Somebody helped me

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Speaker 1: understand how the taxpayers got helped in all of this.

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Speaker 1: They did not. Ok, you've answered the question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they did not know. Other schools were listening to

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Speaker 2: that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And look, ultimately, I don't live in Avon.

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Speaker 1: I'm just doing this out of the goodness of my heart.

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Speaker 1: So it ain't gonna effect my tax is one bit.

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Speaker 1: But I also recognize that people be respond to the

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Speaker 1: behavior of others and how that behavior is either rewarded

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Speaker 1: or rebuked. Like that's human nature, right, So whatever happens

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Speaker 1: in these other communities Fort Wayne, Avon, whatever this year

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Speaker 1: there's no way. It's just a Coincidentce you buy that

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Speaker 1: thing about the teacher, the teacher retention, which is why

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Speaker 1: they went for it in twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was asking. I mean he did

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Speaker 3: say additional, yeah, and that's growth. Yeah, no, additional.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They didn't have a great answer for how the

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Speaker 1: video was private in the beginning either, which idea they wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: But give them credit. They came in. They will not

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Speaker 1: do that, and they their full credit for coming up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's take a break. When we come back, we will

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Speaker 1: have Aarons Sheridan who is a former senior advisor to

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Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwi, and she will be with

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Speaker 1: us to describe in detail her allegation that artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: pornography was viewed and shared in the Lieutenant Governor's office.

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Speaker 1: Who knew which this has not been revealed before according

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Speaker 1: to her, and who she told about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kennelly Casey. On ninety three w IBC

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Speaker 1: Heitzman kits