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Speaker 1: Lie from the Heartblaer and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: So between Iran and the story of Mom Donnie, which

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Speaker 3: is to say the lies that CNN told that he

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Speaker 3: was the victim of an attack, he wasn't the victim

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Speaker 3: of an attack is lomists who pledged themselves to isis

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Speaker 3: inspired by ISIS We're trying to kill Americans. But CNN

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Speaker 3: didn't want to tell that story, not just once, but

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Speaker 3: multiple times. Do we have a real messaging problem from

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Speaker 3: the political right that these Republicans are unwilling to fight

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Speaker 3: the fight that is necessary, and that's the fight on

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Speaker 3: the airwaves where they have more options and opportunities than

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Speaker 3: ever before.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be here, Good

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Speaker 2: to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Ed Morrissey joins me right now from hotair dot com,

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Speaker 3: where he is the Coppo to Judy Coppo.

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Speaker 2: There caupo to two D cappo is what I called you,

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Speaker 2: if only I could say it. And I gotta tell.

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Speaker 3: You, man, you have maybe the greatest headline because I

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Speaker 3: want to start with Iran because in their weakened state

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Speaker 3: but not yet totally dead, you know, it's Monty Python,

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Speaker 3: I'm not dead yet. They have decided that what they

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Speaker 3: can do is engage threats, and the threat is that

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Speaker 3: this war is going to be very ugly unless the

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Speaker 3: US shutters all its bases, and if they don't shutter

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Speaker 3: their bases, we're going to keep the straits.

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Speaker 2: Of Hormuz closed.

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Speaker 3: And you refer to the Ayatola's sun as Nepo baby Tola.

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Speaker 3: So first, thank you freaking brought vissimo there. But holy mackerel,

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Speaker 3: these these people have not learned. They've been ninety two

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Speaker 3: percent down in missile strikes, You've got the missile launchers

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Speaker 3: sixty percent degraded as of yesterday's data, and they're still

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Speaker 3: out there trying to pretend that they're the tough guy.

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Speaker 3: Who are they pretending for and how do these threats

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Speaker 1: Well, I think, for one thing, they're pretending for the

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Speaker 1: these guys are the first up against the wall. Come

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Speaker 1: the revolution, right. I mean, that's what they are worried

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Speaker 1: about at this point in time. The whole Nepple baby

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Speaker 1: Tola thing. This is most Taba kama and I he's dead,

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Speaker 1: which is that they're not going to change anything that

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Speaker 1: close all the bases in Lead and that's been their

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Speaker 1: demand for forty seven years. They're using Mushtamahamanai as basically

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Speaker 1: a mantle of theocratic authority over what is now clearly

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Speaker 1: in town at this moment. Nobody's even seen this guy alive,

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Speaker 1: and to have his first speech be read out by

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it was true.

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Speaker 3: By the way, that that he got inaugurated.

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Speaker 2: It was a cardboard cutout.

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Speaker 2: This ex parrot pining for the Fjords.

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Speaker 3: It's all mighty Python here today talking to Ed Morrissey

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Speaker 3: off hotair dot com. This has been my argument. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, you brought up his name moch tobah Khmane.

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Speaker 3: most of bah Kahmani. It's the Iotola's son who from

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Speaker 2: He had no faith in the what's whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: But we really are talking about the IRGC, the Islamic

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Speaker 3: of weeks. Until you break the IRGC. You don't have

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Speaker 3: anything until you stop the money flow, until they realize

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Speaker 3: the New York crane. As you're discussing, I don't think

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Speaker 3: you were engaging in hyperbole when you said that you

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Speaker 3: so there's this real question. First of all, do Americans

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Speaker 3: We can handle some high oil prices for a while,

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Speaker 3: here's the threat. You get rid of the bases, and

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Speaker 2: And Americans can handle this for a while. The administration

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Speaker 3: I want to be really clear, The administration has to

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Speaker 2: You bet, Donnie T.

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Speaker 3: We're totally in for that, and the administration hasn't done that.

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Speaker 2: There's a real question.

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Speaker 1: Trump did say that yesterday or late last night on

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Speaker 1: and True Social They need to be making that on television.

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Speaker 3: They need to make that on radio every single moment

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Speaker 3: past week. But there's been a conversation about coud Americans

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Speaker 3: handle boots on the ground, and you have made you

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Speaker 3: this and we're not the only people discussing it. There

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Speaker 2: Talk about that.

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Speaker 1: So there's an island off just off the coast called

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Speaker 1: Carga Island, and this is where ninety percent of Iran's

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Speaker 1: This is where they send out ships in the Strait

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Speaker 1: About half of that output goes to China. It is

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Speaker 1: doing that. Now they're attacking shipping the straight up heromoves.

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Speaker 1: that are vastly different than they were in World War Two,

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Speaker 1: the last time this was a big issue. However, it

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Speaker 1: It would take some, but it wouldn't take a lot

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Speaker 1: if you seize carg Island, that's ninety percent of whatever

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Speaker 1: It really is. It's not a low risk operation. It's

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Speaker 3: we're going to hit military targets, I asked, of what

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Speaker 3: value is hitting the military target to the people, because

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Speaker 3: it doesn't change their abilities. Now, I believe in taking

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Speaker 3: hit the oil wells stop the money flow, because how

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Speaker 3: shoot them and kill them. The taking of the island

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Speaker 3: is a much more safe approach for the American troop

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Speaker 3: and for world exports oil exports and for the world

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Speaker 2: The question here is an appetite question.

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Speaker 3: And I don't say that about the American people, never

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Speaker 3: How does one make this sale? And I don't mean

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Speaker 3: You have to explain this to America. Do you say, hey,

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Speaker 3: couple of the generals, You've got General Kin with You'd say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Because I love that moment for America.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean, you think we're doing that Almost

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Speaker 1: every day they're holding those briefings. General Kine is there

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is talking about it with reporters. I think

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Speaker 1: Trump is. He tends to be very extemporaneous, and that

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily give you a, you know, a great organized,

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Speaker 1: sell individual operations, by the way. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: sell carg Island as an operation. I think you just say,

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Speaker 1: we're going to seize control of Iranian oil exports until

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Speaker 1: they beg for mercy. We're going to bomb them until

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Speaker 1: having that conversation every single day and talk about what

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Speaker 1: the gains have been.

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Speaker 2: I think they've been doing.

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Speaker 1: A pretty good job of this. This is actually very

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Speaker 1: reminiscent of what happened in Iraq in nineteen ninety one

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Speaker 1: three too. They were very good at doing the daily briefings.

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Speaker 1: The ones that I recall are General Schwartzkoff being They're

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Speaker 1: rolling back there. You know, their tanks are you know,

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Speaker 3: Think this is Listen, I'm not I have no issue

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Speaker 3: with Exeth, I have no issue with Kine, but allow

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Speaker 3: me to disagree.

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is well persented.

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Speaker 3: This is all under President Trumps orders, and we are

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Speaker 3: engaging and we have got this superiority and we're destroying this.

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Speaker 3: But we hear about the oil prices up, we hear

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Speaker 2: I don't see where that's getting through.

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Speaker 3: And maybe my argument is the problem is that it's

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you've got a media filter here that's

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Speaker 1: interfering with that too. But I will say there's a

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Speaker 1: is that we don't have ground troops here. When Schwarzkop

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Speaker 1: thirty five miles. We're not doing those things, so it's

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Speaker 1: progress is. Right, we're ten miles from Bagdad, well, you

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Speaker 1: an aerial war. It's a naval war. They are doing.

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Speaker 1: They're doing a very good presentation of taking out all

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Speaker 1: it is not a progress of presentation because there's it's

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Speaker 1: show what you're doing. What they're saying, though, is we

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Speaker 1: we're maybe four to six weeks worth of kinetic operations.

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Speaker 1: We're not even done with week two yet, and we've

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Speaker 1: pretty much eliminated most of their larger ship Navy. Now

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Speaker 1: So I think that if you did something like a

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Speaker 1: we have seized control of these things. It would probably

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Speaker 1: obviously military strategic benefits, and it's not defensible by Iran.

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Speaker 1: don't they don't have an aerial defense. They don't have

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Speaker 1: of time for American forces. Once it's done, of course,

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Speaker 1: it's just done. But I think that there's some value

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Speaker 1: in that as well. It shows you know, we're holding

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Speaker 1: this ground. There's another island called Kesham, which I think

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Speaker 1: mostly features desalination plants, but has a much larger population

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Speaker 1: be much more difficult to.

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Speaker 2: Occupy.

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Speaker 1: I think there's one hundred and twenty thousand people that

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Speaker 1: live on Kesham, and that's in a strategic spot in

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Speaker 1: the Strait of Hormus as well, So there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of different things that you can do, but Karg is

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Speaker 1: really I think the most valuable and the easiest boots

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Speaker 3: And I just think we need to be much better

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Speaker 3: at messaging our purpose of the value where we're at

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