1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: I've out fell over yesterday when I saw this, I 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: was like, didn't we just have this conversation. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: Did We were talking about if there was a movie 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: bio pic, what artists would you like to see? And 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: I said, Michael Jackson would be amazing. And then later 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: in the afternoon it was announced that Lionsgate is going 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: to do the Michael Well which will be released on 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: April twenty fourth of twenty six. 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. So obviously there have been several of these biopick movies. 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: The most recent one that's out now that has not 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: done very well, as we said it was not going 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: to do very well, was the Springsteen movie, and what 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: the Queen movie, the Dylan movie. There was an Elvis movie. 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: The Elvis one is horrible. I would I think. I mean, like, 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: the thing that got me about the Elvis movie now 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: I've not seen the other two. They just made up 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: so much stuff, and it's like, Elvis lived an interesting 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: enough life, you don't need to make it, and it's 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: like ridiculous stuff that never happened, and why wouldn't you 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: just do it thing on his actual life? It was fascinating, 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: like friends he never had, and the way things went 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: down is just like anyway. And so yeah, we started 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: this cut you and Matt Hiplin, I think our boss 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: right in this conversation like who is left that you 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: would do a biopic about the people would be interested in? 26 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I said Michael Jackson and then there it is. 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: So the release date April twenty fourth of twenty twenty six. 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: It will star his nephew, Jafar Jackson will play him, 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: and it's going to feature a thriller and want to 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: be starting something and it's gonna and it's going to 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 2: be from his rise as the Jackson five front man 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: to being a global superstar. There's rumored that there's going 33 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: to be a Michael two because they couldn't get it 34 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: all in. Well this is it was going to be 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: like three and a half hours long. 36 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: Well this is what I was going to ask you. 37 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: Where like Elvis, you know, it's a relatively short period 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: of time, and you can break it up in the segments. Right, 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: there's they're jacket Elvis, you know, rockabilly Elvis movie, elve, 40 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: Army Elvis movie, Elvis, come back Elvis, jumpsuit Elvis. Right 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: and in the end, right, so you can you can 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: sort of compartmentalize those the Michael Jackson stuff, and in 43 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: the case of Dylan, I mean it's what nineteen sixty 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: basically Blood on the Tracks was seventy five. I've not 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: seen the movie. I don't have think go past that, 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: but I mean that's basically the you know, it's a 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: sort of a fifteen year window Queen. You know, Freddie 48 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: Murcury passedway in their early nineties, Queen became big and 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: like this sort of again a fifteen year Michael Jackson 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: you're talking the time for me was a little boy 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: right all the way until the mid two thousand's. What 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: year did he die? Was it eight nine? I think 53 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: it was nine. Anyway, you're talking, you know, a forty 54 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: or fifty year span. You've got to cover where there's 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: continually interesting early Michael Jackson interesting, but then the salacious stuff. 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: How would you do a biopick on Michael Jackson without 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: the salacious stuff? And how do you fit that all 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: into one movie right exactly? 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: And where do you stop it? So I guess the 60 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: movie's going to explore all of his creative ambition, his 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: family dynamics, put Gary, Indiana back in the spotlight. Also 62 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: his off stage life, and these rumors are circulating that 63 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: maybe they'll do a part two. That hasn't been confirmed 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: just yet, but you can expect that Thriller is going 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 2: to be back on the Billboard Hot one hundred charts. 66 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: Well wait a second, that if they're talking about doing 67 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: a part two, that means and they're not even going 68 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: to get into most of the later stuff. If they're 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: talking about a part two. 70 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: The later stuff would be more controversial. And you have 71 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: to imagine that his family is approving the script, right 72 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: because his nephew is playing him. They're not going to 73 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: allow some of the controversial stuff, yeah, to come out. 74 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: They got they they're the ones that are going to 75 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: approve the film. 76 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Well that it's going to bomb too, because no offense. 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Most people don't want to go see some guy pretending 78 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: to be Michael Jackson singing ABC one two three. They 79 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: want to see the really the post thriller stuff is 80 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: the bizar. When the bizarro Michael Jackson world started, you 81 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: know happening because what he was on a set for 82 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: a commercial, right and he got in a it something explodes, explode, 83 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: and then that's when he started both physically and and 84 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: you know persona wise sort of changing he was, or 85 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: at least came off as maybe he wasn't. I don't know. 86 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm not a Michael Jackson fan or expert, but to 87 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: the public at large, came out as a normal, you know, 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: regular sort of person until after that happened. 89 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 2: You think the movie's not going to do well. I 90 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: think it's going to do extremely well. 91 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: Well it may. I mean, he's got a you know, 92 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, just millions and millions of fans, so it 93 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: probably will. I'm saying, though, will an average person if 94 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: there's nothing quote unquote interesting in it, or they don't 95 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: go into the stuff like I'm not gonna go see that. 96 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: No, but you just said you're not a fan of 97 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: his music. 98 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm not. But that's what I'm saying is it's like, 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how you're gonna make that work, 100 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: which obviously they're gonna have something they're gonna put out. 101 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 2: Find the scenes, Quincy Jones stuff him in the studio 102 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: recording all of it. 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: The rise. Would you pay twelve dollars to go see 104 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: some guy pretending to be Michael Jackson talking to some 105 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: guy who pretended to be Quincy Jones are you parting 106 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: with your hard earned money for that? 107 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: I'll go see this movie. Yeah, I'm excited about it. 108 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: But I also grew up listening to his Well you're 109 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: you're a fan? 110 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And isn't it interesting how Michael Jackson, unlike probably 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: any other artist, has been able to have staying power. Look, 112 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: the guy was clearly involved in very at best, at best, 113 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: very bizarre behavior. Much of it was probably highly inappropriate, 114 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: and a lot of it may have been just plain illegal, 115 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: right and disgusting, you know, other than people there don't 116 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: know the whole story of the whole truth, but people 117 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: who culturally would resoundingly reject that from anybody else. With 118 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, it's just like, oh, yeah, he was he 119 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: was awesome, And it's like that their brain has somehow turned, 120 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, all of that off to the point where it, look, 121 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: all these rock stars have some issue. You're like, oh, 122 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: that's kind of strange or maybe not appropriate, but his 123 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: was just decades of this stuff. 124 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And with him, it's like people it's like some great, 125 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: how did they not address it? 126 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: Trancey has over people were with him now side out 127 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: of my well. 128 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: They say that this movie aims to present a new 129 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: perspective on his journey and artistry, so we'll see if 130 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: they get into the drama