1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: So it's been a long and winding road the last 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: couple months as it relates to Indiana's Lieutenant governor. Let's 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: kind of reset everything, figure out where we're at and 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: maybe where we're going to go. It's Kennell Casey showing 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Rob Casey's out today, Ethan Hatcher and for Casey and 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: with us in the studio. The guy who kind of 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: broke the story as it relates to those AI porn 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: allegations of being shared in Lieutenant Governor's office and everything 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: kind of went well downhill from there, it's Tom Lobianco, 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: freelance journalist. Nobody kind of knows this story, maybe as 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: well as you do. Let's just reset this real quick. 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: You covered Indiana politics and government for a long time. 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: You were worked for the Indianapol Star or the Associated Press. 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Do you ever remember a story this bizarre and all 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: your time covering Indiana politics and government? 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: No, nothing even close. 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: When you were approached with this story. Because obviously, I 18 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: think we could say this now. Aaron Sheridan, you know, 19 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: brought this information to you. She's obviously come on this program, 20 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: she's you know, publicly said it. You know, I'm the 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: person who made the complaint. What was kind of your 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: initial reaction Because she comes to you at the story 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: about AI porn being sheardon Lieutenant Governor's office. 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: You know, so when I if I'd come into this 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: cold not knowing anything about that office, I might have 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: been like, well that's weird. I don't know why that's happening. 27 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 2: Let me think about looking into it, having some familiarity 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: with the office. Uh it sounded par for the course. 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: Uh. 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: Now it was astounding even by you know, the Beckworth 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: Offices standards of operation, you know, quite astounding, but yeah, 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: you know, I it to me, it was really like 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: why is why are people in state government watching any 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: porn in the like I just let alone like like 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: making a deep fake of a of you know, Representative 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: Haggard's wife, Like I just like all of it was 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,279 Speaker 2: like what, like, well. 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: Here's what I said about it from the beginning. And 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: I said, I know Tom a little bit. And I said, 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: and we've had you on talking about this before. You've 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: never been sued for defamation, You've never written something. And 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: people said, oh, it's so beyond the pale, I'm suing you. 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I said, if he's running with it, he must feel 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: pretty confident with it because you named the guys, and 45 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: Eric and Sheridan when she was on the show, backed 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: up who the people were. What was your standard to 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: go forward with that story? 48 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: Well, I have to go through. And yet, you know 49 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: this is good because like you know, when I started 50 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: out twenty five years ago, like we had newspapers, we 51 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: had broadcasts, we had radio, you know, we had like 52 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: news came from normalized, professional places. But now you can 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: get news anywhere, right, you know, anybody with a cell 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 2: phone can produce these things, And there's I think it's 55 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: good for the general public to know, like how do 56 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: we do reporting right? Like why do I feel comfortable 57 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: with this? There are all kinds of things that I hear, 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: which I suspect will probably turn out to be true, 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: but I am not in a position to write them 60 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: until I am one hundred percent I believe that there happened. 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: So in your mind, I think that's important because they 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: kind of painted you all this guy we don't know 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in a second, and they 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: kind of painted you as, hey, he's just making it up, 65 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: he's doing it for clicks. You in your mind, you 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: totally believe Aaron Sheridan's story and the other information you've 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: been able to put together. The AI porn thing happened. 68 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: Yes, And I should note too that I mean, yes, 69 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Aaron has come forward with that now, so it's okay to, 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: you know, talk about that openly. I've talked to other 71 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: people that we're familiar with it, and I'm protecting those sources. 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Let's put it that way, okay. So I think that's 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: really important. That's why you're glad here. Tom Labianco is 74 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: our guest freelance journalist a spent years the Indie Star 75 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: Associated Press. He's the guy who broke the AI porn story. 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: You have other stuff than her, yeah, and that's why 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: you're in this. Yeah, okay, all right. So then it 78 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: spins off into this grand jury investigation, and based on 79 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: the documentation that's come out, I know you've known this 80 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: for a while. I've known this for a while. Many 81 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: other people have known this for a while that they're 82 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: looking into the AI porn stuff, the ghost employment. And 83 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: I tell people because Mike has now tried to paint 84 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: this Lieutenant governor as oh, well, some guy writes a 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: story and then Ryan Mehers hops on it. Now, there's 86 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: a grand jury. It's utterly ridiculous. That's not how this 87 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: works right now. 88 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's And you know, I get a lot of 89 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: questions from sources about this as well, because you know, 90 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: everybody's trying to game out what's happening, right or you know, 91 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: the General Assembly will be back in session and just 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: under a month, so you know, and then you're going 93 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: to have the Lieutenant governor again, you know, constantly on 94 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: the stage. What's going to be the status to that. 95 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 2: I've had a lot of people ask me questions about 96 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: and I report on this to try to understand it myself, 97 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: talking with former prosecutors, talking with people in the legal community, 98 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: like what is the standard process for this? A couple 99 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 2: things here. Number one is that for Marion County in particular. 100 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: Now those not across every county in Indiana, but just 101 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: here in Marion County, they'll keep grand juries and paneled 102 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: for six months. So there's a standing grand jury to 103 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: which you can go and present evidence if you decide 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: to seek charges. There's also you can bring forward There 105 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: are two different ways you can do a witness testimony 106 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: in this. You could either have somebody from the prosecutor's 107 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: office conduct the interview and that counts as witness testimony, 108 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: which can then be presented later. 109 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: So you get somebody and then you take that to 110 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,559 Speaker 1: the grand jury, you being the prosecutor's office. 111 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, So that's one way of doing it. Another 112 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: way of doing it is that you can you can 113 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: have the witness testimony before the grand jury, and there's 114 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: benefits to eat to each side. I'm apolog well, for 115 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: twenty five years have been a politics reporter, but increasingly 116 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: I'm a crime reporter. 117 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: It's like I just and so. But the point of 118 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: all this is Ryan Mehrs. And whether you think Ryan 119 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: Mehrs is doing a good job, you know, securing the 120 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: city of Indianapolis, or you don't. We don't. We're very 121 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: critical of him. But regardless of that, he's not just 122 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: sitting around read your report and goes, oh, I better 123 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: get on that. Let's convene a grand jury. That that's 124 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: not how this works. 125 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: Well, I will say that the grand jury was I mean, 126 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: the grand jury already existed, but the investigations, as I 127 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: understand it, did start after I wrote that story. Oh really, yeah, 128 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: that's my understanding. But I mean I should also note 129 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: that I mean it's an entire prosecutor's office. I'm one 130 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: independent journalist, right, so they have a lot of resources. 131 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: They can go in a lot of different you know, 132 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: directions with this. But yeah, I mean they're not a 133 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 2: cigarette going well. Some guy in Maryland wrote something, Oh 134 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: get him? No, Yeah, what do you. 135 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: Think they're actually looking into as it relates to the 136 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: ghost employment because I've always thought that. I mean, you 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: hear stuff, I hear stuff. What do you think that's 138 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: all about? Well, you know. 139 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: What, boys, head on over to my site twenty four 140 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: site news. There you go, number two four s I 141 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: g HT dot news. I have a lot of stories 142 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: up already about some of this. I have not one 143 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: human being with two hands and one brain, which is 144 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: perpetually fried these days, given this story and other stories. 145 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: But yes, I have some reporting about how time keeping 146 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: and payroll was being handled and maybe still is being 147 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: handled in the Lieutenant Governor's office. And I don't want 148 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: to blow up any scoops that I might. 149 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so you have stuff that's coming Yeah, okay, very good. 150 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: All right. Tom Labianco is our guest freelance journalist, broke 151 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the AI porn story in the Lieutenant Governor's office. Do 152 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: you think that this is a big deal to the 153 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: people in the state House, Like, it's an interesting story, 154 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting to talk about. The AI porn stuff is 155 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: just like so ridiculous that people are intrigued by it. 156 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: But I sort of think, like I think about the 157 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: people at two hundred West Washington. Are they talking about 158 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: it is something that is on the minds of the lawmakers? 159 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: What are you hearing about that? 160 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know there's this dynamic of you know, what 161 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: to do with beck with right, that's kind of the 162 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: question you hear from everybody in other branches of government 163 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 2: and other you know, offices and other elected offices. All right, 164 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 2: you know, what do we do with this guy? Like 165 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: if on the one hand, it's like all right, he 166 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: you know, he can make a lot of noise as 167 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: the as the Lieutank Governor is the Senate President formally 168 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: the Senate president. Now typically it has not been that 169 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: the LG would present over every session, but he can 170 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: do that, and he has done that, so he has 171 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: a stage to perform constantly. 172 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: You know. 173 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago where he was going out 174 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: and doing town hall meetings where things were getting rollity. 175 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: People are getting arrested, screaming matches like you know, Jerry 176 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: Springer town halls you know, across the states, and that's 177 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: what he wanted. 178 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I you know, because Greg Good, like 179 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: except I mean Cutch up with Greg Good, the senator 180 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: from Tara Hate Republican, had that town hall on redistricting 181 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: and it was full of people and none of that happened. 182 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: He sat there, he listened, you you know, he spoke 183 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: at the beginning and then turned it over the people said, 184 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: you speak, I listen, thank you, have a good day, 185 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: and we were done. 186 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: Right. 187 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: That That is how it's supposed to work, right, But 188 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: Micah doesn't want that. He wants the fight. He wants 189 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: the crazy people screaming at him. He wants the people 190 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: getting into it with the cops. He likes all of 191 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: that stuff. 192 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's instigating and you know, and 193 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: have you know, I've been covering politics for decades now, 194 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: and I'm kind of used to that, Like I even 195 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: you know, I've gotten it from him a few times. 196 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: I've gotten it from other people with regards to these 197 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: stories where it's like it's like, well, hey man, you're 198 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: fake news a dud dud, right, and it's just like, 199 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: you know, I'm as a professional does this all the time. 200 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, well that's your you know, you 201 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: feel that way, fine, whatever. You know, I've been attacked 202 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: by all kinds of politicians over the years, and you 203 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: just kind of let it roll over you. But for 204 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: the normal you know, for civilians, normal public right, it's 205 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: like he says that stuff and it's like, dude, why 206 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: is this guy doing it? And then they start screaming 207 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: and he smiles and they scream even more. So it's 208 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: very you know, and obviously he revels in it because 209 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: it gets some free attention. Yeah, that is the currency 210 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: of this moment. 211 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: Hey, before we go to break a couple things, because 212 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: I we'll talk with the other thing you were doing 213 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: or which I think is interesting and important. Do you 214 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: buy the I didn't know routine? On the grand jury, 215 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: he claims he had no idea this was going on 216 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: until he read about it in the media, and every 217 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: time he got pressed on, oh, we don't have any 218 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: idea about this, but ah blah blah blah, and then 219 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: the core story comes out, Hey there's a grand jury, Well, 220 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: we didn't know. Is that possible that he could not 221 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: know that there was a grand cherry looking in. 222 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: I mean it's possible he didn't know, But to say 223 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: we didn't know would is incorrect because people from there 224 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: have testified. Yeah, how could we know and he not know? Yeah? 225 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: So I think the bigger question is why doesn't he 226 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: know what's happening in his office? 227 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? He does, he does? Right anyway? All right, 228 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: Tom Bobianco is our guest. We'll take a break. I'm 229 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: talking about the other thing you were here doing this weekend. 230 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: Very very bad, but it's important. I want to get into. 231 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: It's kittle A Casey Show, ninety three WIBC Mob. 232 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: He was a friend of mine and he could sing 233 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: his song. 234 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: Back with three Lance journalist Tom Labiano. It's Kennel Casey Show. 235 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: I'm Rob Casey's out today. Ethan Hatcher's in for Casey. 236 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: All right, so you are actually here. We talked with 237 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: you by phone, but you were actually in the city 238 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: of Indianapolis and you were covering the Jonathan Peternell trial. Yes, 239 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: and of course Jonathan Peternell. We're gonna spend a lot 240 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: of time on this because I think it's sort of 241 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: more of a just a straight news story. Our news 242 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: department has certainly handled it. Jonathan Peternell is the son 243 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: of Nathan Peternell, who is the lead pastor at Life Church. 244 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: Now full disclosure, people know Life Church advertises on this 245 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: program on WIBC. And Jonathan Peternell is the adult son 246 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: of Nathan Peternell who was arrested related to child pornography charges. 247 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: Now we need to say this. You can back me 248 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: up on this. There is zero evidence, there's zero allegation 249 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: that Nathan Peternell, his wife, or anybody with Life Church 250 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: is involved in any of that or knew any that 251 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, the no, that's yeah. 252 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: And this is really I mean, you know, we just 253 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: talked about the deep fake AI stuff with back with 254 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: which you know that's you know, like a circus atmosphere 255 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: almost this thing is I say, this is somebody who's 256 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: covered some dark stuff before. It really it just it 257 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: is gruesome and grim in a way that of stories 258 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: that I don't think I haven't covered very many stories like. 259 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: This, but it is newsworthy. Well, there's no evidence that 260 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: the Peter Neells or or anybody in his family, or 261 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: certainly the church knew about this or involved in any 262 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: of it. It is newsworthy because Nathan is a prominent person. 263 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: Life Church is a prominent, very popular church, and Nathan's 264 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: relationship with Michael beck With, He's one of the closest 265 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: friends of Michae Becky. So I mean it is a 266 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: news story. 267 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, absolutely, I mean this is the level 268 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: of I mean the closeness between Nathan Peternell and Micae 269 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: beck With. And I think people are starting to catch 270 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: on into this more and more. You know, it goes 271 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: beyond just being a podcast, you know, which they do together, 272 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: but you know, travel the country, do well, the Charlie 273 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: Kirk campus tours, the campus ministry tours. You know, they 274 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: would do a political events together. So and you know, 275 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: really in my reporting, Peter Nell has helped out beck 276 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: With extensively since he hired him to the church. I 277 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: mean he's his boss, right, So, I mean Michael Beckwith 278 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: has two bosses in Indiana. One is Nathan Peternell and 279 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: the other one is the people of this ste of Indiana. 280 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So Jonathan Peternell had some sort of hearing on Friday, right, Yes, 281 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: tell us about that hearing because he until yesterday, did 282 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: not even have an attorney. 283 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as Yeah, I was up there was in Anderson, 284 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: and I was sitting in there and you know, guys 285 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: read about it at twenty four site news two four 286 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: s I g h T dot News. 287 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: And you do a full deep dive on this. Yeah. 288 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a I was sitting there and in the 289 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: room and it's a you know, it's a county courthouse. 290 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: It's a little old. I mean there's the fabric on 291 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: the seats looked like you know, came out the disco 292 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: era was like yellow and like brown and orange and 293 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: like pea soup green. 294 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: Hey this field madiscetti reading fiscally responsible with the text dollars. 295 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: Oh it was very I mean right, you know, surprisingly 296 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: comfortable too for you know, for this for what they are. 297 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: Were you the only media person there? You know? I 298 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: think so. 299 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: I didn't see anybody else there. 300 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: That surprised me, given what a big story it was 301 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: when it happened, that nobody else was there covering it. 302 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, but good for you, thanks man. Yeah, I'm really like, 303 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: I mean, the layers of this case I have. I 304 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: have a story up at twenty four seit News from 305 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: last week where I interviewed someone named Page, and I've 306 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: withholding her name out of respect and you know, agreement, 307 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: but I verified her identity. I verified the identity of 308 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: the fiance at the time, who detailed an incident which 309 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: happened at Life Church with Nathan Peter Now a decade ago. 310 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: And so I've been reporting on this now for two 311 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: and a half weeks, and I really wanted to see 312 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: the son, Jonathan Peter now and be there because he 313 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: has been at that point, he had been in jail 314 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: for two weeks. 315 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and October twenty fourth, I think was the day 316 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: of arrest. So you're right, I mean it's been two weeks, 317 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: two weeks at that point. Nobody posted the bond for him, 318 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: So twenty five thousand dollars dollars, which is a very 319 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: low bond. Yeah, right, I mean I think that. Yeah, 320 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: And you were saying, even the judge was a bit surprised, Yeah, 321 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: that this guy is still in jail given how low 322 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: his bond actually is. 323 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really. I mean, it's the whole thing 324 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: to me has been astounding. You know, his parents were 325 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: not there. I I don't know if members of the 326 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: church were there. I couldn't pick out everybody in the room. 327 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: But nobody appeared to be there like supporting him or 328 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: there on his behalf. 329 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I didn't see anything like that. And I 330 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: gotta tell you, he sounded like a ghost. He really 331 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: like and you know this and you guys can read 332 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: about it. 333 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to repeat it. 334 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: Hear what he actually was doing, which is terrible, and 335 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: you know, given the amount of evidence they have, will 336 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: probably go away for a long time. But you also 337 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: got the sense like seeing him listening to him like 338 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: he appeared as he was in a green and white jumpsuit. 339 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: They have the they got these little the flip flops 340 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 2: the inmates have with like jelly's, like orange jelly flip flops. 341 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: And he stumbled over the handcuffs that were on his feet. 342 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: So he's cuffed behind his back and hands and the 343 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: feet kind of tripped. 344 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Over it a little bit. 345 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 2: He his bearing, you know, so his physical posture was 346 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 2: very upright and as he talked, but this sound he 347 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: talked like he would answer the questions from the judge 348 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: and he'd be like, no, yeah, it was like to 349 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: me as it felt like I saw like a zombie, 350 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: like the soul was no longer there. So what was 351 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: also interesting, So he is still in Madison County jail. Yeah, 352 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: nobody has posted or he's not posting that twenty five 353 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: hundred dollars bond, which you were saying. Like I said, 354 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: the judge was seemed seemed kind of surprised by that. 355 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: But also there was controversy about who his attorney was 356 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: going to because initially people were led to believe that. 357 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if he said it. I guess he 358 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: must have said it at one point that Devon Norrick 359 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: or and you had reported it. I think that Devin 360 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: Nork was going to be his attorney. Devin Norrick is 361 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: of course the attorney that's at the center of the 362 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: allegations of the AI porn stuff in Lieutenant Governor's office. 363 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: And then that came out that no, that's not happening, 364 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: and so for two weeks he hasn't had an attorney. Yeah. 365 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: It's really stunning. So yeah, yeah, I so in the 366 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: court appearance and you guys check it out my case. Uh, 367 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: the he had his initial virtual hearing and he said 368 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: that Devin Nork would be representing him, and which would 369 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: make sense knowing that world of back with and Peter 370 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: Nell and the Broader Life church community because Norrick and 371 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: the Adler Attorneys. You know, Adler's very big firm. 372 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: Ray Adler is a prominent attorney in I believe he's 373 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: in Noblesville, Yeah, and has been very connected to Micah 374 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: and and Nathan and that that orbit up there. 375 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's Brad. You can see where somebody who 376 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: is I mean, he's grown up in that world where 377 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: logically that would be He's like, Okay, well, obviously these 378 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: are the lawyers who are going to represent me. 379 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: You know. 380 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 2: The funny thing is I reached out to Devin Nork 381 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: for comment on the on the deep fake stuff and 382 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: he never got back to me. 383 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't get back to you shocked. 384 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: But when I texted him to ask him about representing 385 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: Jonathan Peter Noell, he immediately got back to me, yeah, 386 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: to say that he's not doing it. 387 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: Okay, that's kind of an I mean, you know, I'd 388 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: be torn on this because one hand, its appears to 389 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: be that that family is just letting this guy who 390 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: is an adult, right, Hey, you did it, You're gonna 391 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: pay for it. You're on your own. And I've torn 392 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: this talking somebody out this last night, and I'm torn 393 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: on this because the money, and I go, well, good 394 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: for them. They're not trying to any clout or power 395 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: or anything to bail this kid out. And then it's 396 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: like the other side is a father. It's like, well, 397 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: this be the last time you ever see your kid 398 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: as a free person, and they're just appear just content 399 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: to let him rotten the jail. 400 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 401 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: And so it's like this torn thing where I want 402 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: to just go great, good on them because they're not 403 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: covering when they're not saying it's okay. They've said this 404 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: is horrible, and they're following through with actions. Then there's 405 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: the other side. I was like, well, that's very interesting 406 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: that that's happening. You know this story. 407 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: A lot of times when I've covered politics over the years, 408 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: there's kind of like a there's almost like a lighter 409 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 2: element of like amusement at the just the bizarre behavior 410 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: of politicians, like, oh my god, I can't believe they're 411 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: doing that. This story is really I've never really worked 412 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: so hard on a story like this where the layers 413 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: of human tragedy to the story, like everything about it 414 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: is nothing but tragedy and I've been talking with folks 415 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: extensively and guys, if you know something, you'd like to 416 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: reach out, and especially guys, I would love to. I've 417 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: been trying to reach Nathan Peter Nell for weeks now 418 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: to talk about this, or whoever the lawyer is they've hired. 419 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: I don't they won't tell me who the lawyer is 420 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: they've hired for Nathan at the church, whoever it is. Guys, 421 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 2: I would like to talk with you. If you used 422 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: to go to the church, or you're still out there 423 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: you have something to talk about, Email me Tom at 424 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 2: twenty four sight dot news. Find me on Facebook, Tom 425 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: Lobianco go to twenty four site news. I've been talking 426 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: with folks that used to attend church there and in 427 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: the process of verifying things. So I don't want to 428 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: get out ahead of myself because it takes some time 429 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: to do this, but I'm hearing stories that I would 430 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: say are consistent with the story that page told me 431 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: that we published at twenty four site news. 432 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: All right, wrap it up here, let's come back to 433 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant governor for a second. Do you think that 434 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: let's just say, let's pick a number six months from now, 435 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: do you think that this is a story that has legs, 436 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: And by its story that has legs, I mean the 437 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: investigations in the Marion County Prosecutor's office. I'm it's gonna 438 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: come of this? Does is that what your gut tells you? 439 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: Or does say six months around, I'll be like, yeah, 440 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: I looked into it. Nothing there. How I go about their. 441 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: Business, It's very hard to go after elected officials as 442 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: a as a Marion County prosecutor, given the law, given 443 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 2: the given what the requirements. Which seems more likely to me, 444 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: if there are any charges brought in anything they decided 445 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 2: to go to trial with it was it would more 446 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: likely be the staff in the State House office, his 447 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: especially his top staff, Erry Alis, chief staff, you know. 448 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: And again I don't want to get out ahead of 449 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: anything that, but it would be the staff that's doing 450 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: it that would be on the hook for this most 451 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: likely unless they find that some unless in their investigation 452 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: they find something pointing directly to Micah directing it. And 453 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 2: that's all hypothetical. I do not have any evidence of that, 454 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: but those are kind of the those are the barometers 455 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: of this. So what is what I suspect at this 456 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 2: point would be if there's prosecution, it would be of 457 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: the staff, all right. 458 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: And everybody is innocent until proven guilty. No one's been 459 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: charged with anything thus far, no one's been alleged to 460 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: have been charged with it. And we say this all 461 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: the time. A grand jury investigation does not mean an indictment, 462 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: and an indictment does not mean a conviction. Exact Tom 463 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: Labianco again, real quick work. Can everybody find you? 464 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 2: Twenty four sight dot News, head on over, guys, help 465 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: support me, so help support in pen journalism. I got 466 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: to go fund me this set up. Oh boy, I 467 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: you know, I love doing this, but I got to 468 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: tune up my car to get out here. You know, 469 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: I've got to keep the phone on. It's so help 470 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: me out, guys, and it is important. I really, guys, 471 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: I can't tell you. And for folks, if you're listening 472 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: you know out there, thank you for your support. It's 473 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: really it's I appreciate all of it. Thank you, all right. 474 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: It's Kettle Case Show ninety three WIBC. So. Donald Trump 475 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: wants the new football stadium in Washington to be named 476 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: after him, and he might be able to pull this off. 477 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: It is the Kennell and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's 478 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: out today. Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the Circles 479 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: in for Casey. So the Washington they used to be 480 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: the Redskins. Most people remember them as the Redskins. Now 481 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: the Commanders. They are getting a new football stadium which 482 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: is funded in part by the taxpayers of Washington, d C. 483 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: And it's a you know, there's a lot that goes 484 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: into it. It's a big involved process. But as part 485 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: of this, the government, the federal government, because it's Washington 486 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: d C, has a role in what's going on, and 487 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: they have a role in who things like what the 488 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: name of the stadium are going to be. And Trump 489 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: still has the ability and has throughout this process he 490 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: can throw some serious roadblocks up. I don't think he 491 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: can stop it at this point, but he can throw 492 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: some serious hurdles into the completion of this new football stadium. 493 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: For by the way, it's a three point seven billion 494 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: dollar facility. Wait why wait, why would a stadium cost 495 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: three point seven billion dollars? Ination, baby, it's all about 496 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: what The materials don't cost that much. You can't convince 497 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: me that a stadium costs three billion dollars to Bill, 498 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: that's it's the National Football League. You're asking too many quests. Whatever. Anyway, 499 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: I hate sports, get ball, I do, right, But anyway, 500 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: Trump has floated the idea because part of what part 501 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: of who has control over this is the National Park Service, 502 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: which obviously is under in terms of the naming of 503 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: the stadium, the District of Columbia Council and the National 504 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: Park Service, because the Park Service owns the land where 505 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna put the stadium. District of Columbia, by the 506 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: Post Millennial, had a big piece on this. The District 507 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: of Columbia, it will be leasing the stadium to the team. 508 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: So it's one of these things where the Federal Garments 509 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: is gonna own the land, the District of Columbia Council 510 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: is going to own the stadium. They'll lease it back 511 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: to the team. They're going to pay for it through 512 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: through you know, essentially a buyback. For lack of a 513 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: better term, This already sounds like a flax. It's Washington, DC. 514 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Are you expecting anything else? You're right, you're right. But 515 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: the point in all this is Trump is Multiple outlets 516 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: have reported that Trump is adamant that they named the 517 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: stadium after him, and he may get it. Well, if 518 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: he's going to be insistent that they renamed the stadium, 519 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 1: why not go the whole nine yards and make him 520 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: rename the Washington Redskins. Make Redskins great again. Trump speaking 521 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: of which he went to and I would, by the way, 522 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: a wholeheartedly support, as would many other Native Americans who 523 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: have publicly espoused this, a return to the name Washington 524 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: Redskins in honor of the Native American tribes for which 525 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: that that team is named after. But Trump went to 526 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: the didn't they used to have the Tuskegee Airmen come 527 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: in and celebrate and support them. They used to have 528 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: the Native American tribes would sit in the boxes. The 529 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: only the Native Americans were not angry about this for 530 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: the most part. It was these liberal people that were 531 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: angry on their behalf and the women they used to 532 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: sit in the owner's box. It's like they're not mad 533 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: about this. So Trump went it was the national game yesterday, 534 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: the Commanders played the Lions at in Washington, d C. 535 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: And Trump went there to promote Veterans Day, which is tomorrow, 536 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: and we'll do some stuff for that tomorrow. And this 537 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: is great. He ends up talking about his high school 538 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: football career. Take a listen. 539 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: But we had a good time, and I loved it. 540 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: I actually loved playing football. We had a good time 541 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 3: with it. 542 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: So we were trying to look up your stats, and 543 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: we wanted to know how many touchdowns did you have 544 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: back then? 545 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: So seven. I'm not sure I had any ida a 546 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: long time ago. 547 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 3: But at least you realized that I never tell a lie. 548 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: Right, that's very good. I haven't seen that picture. You 549 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: can rest a shirt he had zero, because if he 550 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: even had one, it was the greatest ever at one, 551 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: the biggest game. I could have scored fifty, but I 552 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: wanted everybody else to have it. 553 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: Tear. 554 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: Wait, sure, surely he had at least one. I mean 555 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: you can't. You can't play the football without getting at 556 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: least like one, Like even accidentally you didn't throw it 557 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: to him, like, oh hey, I caught it's the end zone? 558 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: Right? 559 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: Is that you think how football works? Anybody who plays 560 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: gets a Is this the team treat at the end 561 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: of the game. Everybody who plays gets a touchdown. Everybody's 562 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: gonna get one at lace at some point the quarterbacks 563 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: can get a touchdown. Sometimes the people to throw the ball. 564 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: I love Ethan explaining football to people. Even the quarterbacks 565 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: get some touchdowns. Sometimes. I'm guessing Trump wasn't all that 566 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: good and didn't play a whole bunch. Okay, just a guess. Anyway, 567 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: it was the bone spurs that kept him out of 568 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: the Vietnam. Very good. Uh. Anyway, Then at one point, 569 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: Trump starts calling the football game. This is great, and. 570 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 3: Let's see we have a very important I think is 571 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: a very important couple of plays. 572 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: Here we go seven, right, second and seven. 573 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: Let's see what happens. 574 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's all right, Proscy murrit not bad. Takes the 575 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: top for the five yard line. That's right, that's right, good, 576 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: good runner. There we go. This is a very big play, 577 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: don't you think. I mean, they have to get a touchout. 578 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: Let's put it differently. They just have to get a 579 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: touch out. There we go. Now, you're doing my job. 580 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say, get a touchdown. Just 581 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: speaking about the play. 582 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: They have to get a touch out my job, and 583 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: I have done his job. 584 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: You're a regular here on the broadcast. Boy, Let's see 585 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: how they do. 586 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: I think they have a good team, and I think 587 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: Detroit has been amazing with that trade was such a. 588 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: Great trade for both teams. Yeah, in LA for l 589 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: A and the career. 590 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: I agree. 591 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 3: People always look at him and try to say he 592 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: sail he was knocked out of palms out. 593 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: The three yard line. Uh, he didn't really call the game. 594 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: Now here's the little dirty secret about play by play. 595 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: And I spent many years doing this. It's actually very 596 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: tough to do. Now. TV's a little eas because the 597 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: TV is telling the story, right, But radio play by play, 598 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: true story. I was what I've been. I'd have been 599 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: nineteen years old. I was doing this. Is when this 600 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: was groundbreaking stuff, right. I was doing internet high school 601 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: basketball play by play and they said, hey, we need 602 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: to step up and do the play by play. I 603 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: was normally the guy that did the analyst stuff and 604 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: hook the gear up, and they said we need to 605 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: do a play by play. And said, okay, no problem. 606 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: And I'm in this gym. It's the Southport gym and 607 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: it's girls basketball, so there's no one there, like literally, 608 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: there were five people in the gym, and You're getting 609 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: geared up and the game starts and I realize, I 610 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: don't know how to do this, and I just turned 611 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: to the guy next to me and said, your turn. 612 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: Oh geez, that would be a nightmare scenario when you 613 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: get put in the hot seat. Don't know what you're doing. Well, 614 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: because it moves very quick. Basketball it was very quick. 615 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Football's a little easier. Baseball's the easiest because it moves 616 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: the slowest. But I had to like go home, and 617 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm really bad at this. It's 618 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: not as easy it's as it sounds, you know, hearing 619 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: the pros do it. And I'd just spend basically like 620 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: a month just watch old basketball games and doing it 621 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: to get to the point where I could go out 622 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: and do it on my own. So just don't be 623 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: hard on Trump. Play by play is not as easy 624 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: as the same. So when he stopped calling the game, 625 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: he probably just didn't know what to say. Well, he 626 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: wasn't played by play, he was the color commentary, and 627 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: that color was orange. The trade was great for everyone, 628 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: all right, take a break. Kendlly Casey Show ninety three WIBC. 629 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: Wendy's is in trouble. This is very interesting to me, 630 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: someone who was once a regular consumer of the Wendy's brand. 631 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: So USA Today has this article last year Wendy's closed 632 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty locations, and now they're reporting USA 633 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: Today is reporting that between two hundred and forty and 634 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty stores could be about to go down. 635 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: And that seems like a big deal given the footprint 636 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: of Windy's, which according to USA Today, has six thousand 637 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: locations across the country. Well, yeah, but one hundred and 638 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: fifty stores is a pretty minuscule portion of those six 639 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: thousand stores. They're probably an underperforming parts of the country, 640 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: and you know, they may have to give up the 641 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: ghost here and give up on the fresh never frozen 642 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: and shipping in the fresh meat and just freeze their 643 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: burger patties like everybody else. Yeah, So when you put 644 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: together the uh, you got the one hundred and forty 645 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: and then let's put it in the middle and say 646 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: three hundred, I mean you're somewhere aroun four and fifty 647 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: stores over a couple of years that have closed. There 648 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: is something wrong, it appears, at least with the operations 649 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: and or business plan in some of these stores, because like, 650 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: there's a Wendy's right near the interstate where I live, 651 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: and for several years it appeared to be struggling mightily 652 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: to even get workers to show up and work, and 653 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: you wonder, like, how is that even possible? I think 654 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: it's the difference in perceived value. McDonald's is still the 655 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: king of the value menu when you consider other fast 656 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: food at restaurants, By and large, any McDonald's menu items 657 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: are still cheaper. And when you're making the decision of 658 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,239 Speaker 1: whether to go to a McDonald's or whether to go 659 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: to a Wendy's, the difference in taste and quality is 660 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: not so significant to justify the price in your fast 661 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: food consumer's mind, would be my guess. Yeah, because my 662 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: radio mentor, the great Jay Baker, and I used to 663 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: joke that if you owned a Wendy's or any of 664 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: these fast food places near a crowded interstate, which the 665 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: Wendy's in Brownsburg is right off Interstate seventy four, it's 666 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: like a money printing factory. I mean, it should be 667 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: right with the volume of traffic. And yeah, of course, 668 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: in many of these places, like where I live, there's 669 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: a burger king in an Arby's and a McDonald's and 670 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: they're white Castle, Camsy, they're all there. But the volume 671 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: of traffic and you're a national brand, you shouldn't have 672 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: any trouble turning a profit. And it appears at least 673 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: with some of these places. And maybe it's a little location. 674 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: Maybe all of these aren't in the best of locations. Well, 675 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: I think you're brushing up again the issue, because the 676 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: deal is location, location, and location. And the dirty little 677 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: secret of like McDonald's empire is the bulk of their 678 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: value is not the restaurant businesses themselves, but the real estate, 679 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: the land that they command. So in any fast food game, 680 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: they've already gobbled up the most desired, most high traffic, 681 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: most easy access locations, and it's everybody else that's eating 682 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: the scraps. Yeah, years ago, long before I was here, 683 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: I used to do a local high school sports show 684 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 1: for the county radio station and McDonald's was our sponsor. 685 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: And so the same guy family couple owned basically all 686 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: the McDonald's in the area, and so each Saturday we 687 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: would go to a different McDonald's and Hey, come out 688 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: and see us. We're interviewing the coaches to blah blah blah. 689 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: So I got to know those people pretty well, and 690 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: that's what they said. They said, the real equity is 691 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: in the real estate in McDonald's, Like they make money 692 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: obviously off what they do in the day to day operations, 693 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: but essentially you're building up the value of that land 694 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: because that's what you're right. If you look at McDonald 695 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: it's always in the premium you know, the premium spot, 696 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: and you see those renovations, et cetera that they've gone through. 697 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: Many of these McDonald's, the golden arches days are you know, 698 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: behind us, and the insides are a little different. They 699 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: are setting they're designing them specifically to be the convenience 700 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: stores of tomorrow. That's part of the bland design. You're 701 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: absolutely right. Yeah, all right, hey, happy birthday, Thank you man. Yeah, 702 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: Ethan will be that great show tomorrow, keV, great job 703 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: as always, Most importantly, thank you to you. Without you, 704 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: there is no US stick around. Tony Katz Coming up next, 705 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: Kennelly Casey Show tighty three WIBC.