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Speaker 2: Got the brand new head coach of the Ball State Cardinals

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Speaker 2: on the Payless Liquors hotline right now. I've been looking

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Speaker 2: there in Muncie. And Chris CapCo is kind enough to

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Speaker 2: join us this morning here at ninety three five and

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Speaker 2: one O seven to five the fan coach. Welcome to Indiana,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the area, and welcome to Ball State. Man.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing this morning?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good? What's up? Boys? How's everything to be

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Speaker 2: Right in the middle of everything that's great about basketball.

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Speaker 2: I got purduing the Sweet sixteen tonight, new head coach

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Speaker 2: And for those who don't know all that much about

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Speaker 2: Chris CapCo, you can tell us a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: But you've been working with Andy Enfield quite a bit

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Speaker 2: over the last several years.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been with him for twelve years, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it's just been really hard to leave him, and not

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Speaker 3: that I've been trying too. But you know, when this

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Speaker 4: Again, we're talking to Chris CapCo, the new head coach

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Speaker 4: being in alignment with the ball State administration and their

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Speaker 4: also what made Ball State the right opportunity for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've been fortunate enough where I could

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Speaker 3: They really and genuinely want you to be successful, that

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Speaker 3: And I felt that was Jeff. I felt a real

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Speaker 3: And that's all I could ask for. I didn't talk

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Speaker 5: The voice of Chris CapCo, the new head coach up there,

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Speaker 5: shout out Dill Street ball State as they will try

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Speaker 5: to end date type believe it's a twenty six year

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Speaker 5: drought and make the NC tournament. Coach, Did I hear

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Speaker 3: You did fifteen days old? It's a good hacktic Yeah.

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Speaker 3: March ninth, March ninth, I'm in the mix right now.

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Speaker 5: Boys, Wow, congrats, I'm in the mix. Congrats on that.

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Speaker 5: Have you recruited the state much, if at all.

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Speaker 3: I have not, so I have not, but I'm not

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Speaker 3: I said this at my press conference my last two stops,

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Speaker 3: And then I'm going to hire a staff who does

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Speaker 3: And we're going to work at that. But I'm not

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Speaker 4: To be honest with you, Chris, when you look at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm super comfortable. And I told justice during the

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Speaker 3: It's chaos. My first thing is I want to get

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Speaker 5: Chris, last one for me and appreciate your time. You know,

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Speaker 3: What's he like? You know?

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Speaker 5: You know is he a leader of men? You know

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Speaker 5: the whole recruiting landscape, connections, you know, NBA ties, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: It's deepar Now, obviously, you know you have to do

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Speaker 3: that part of it very seriously. But the fundraising part

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Speaker 3: and some of that falls on me.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna have fun watching you. Best of luck

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Speaker 2: up there. We'll have you on the show as often

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Speaker 2: as we can. And congratulations again, man, there's nothing like

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Speaker 1: It's terrific.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it, guys, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Thanksuch. There he is. He's the brand new head coach

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Speaker 1: of the ball State Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: That is Chris CapCo joining us here on the paylist

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Speaker 2: lookers hotline.

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Speaker 5: I find that a little wild, like when you see

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 5: You don't typically see the higher I think at that

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Speaker 5: level have like zero ties geographically. Yeah, that's a little

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Speaker 5: unusual to me, is.

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Speaker 1: It not to you?

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Speaker 5: Guys. No, and it's a one eighty from the previous guy,

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Speaker 5: to be honest with you, Michael Lewis, of course, Jaspernadive

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Speaker 5: and I you you know, player and assistant and Butler,

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Speaker 4: No, I think you're spot on with that, Kevin, because

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Speaker 4: not have very many ties really no ties to ball

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Speaker 4: State is a little.

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Speaker 1: Weird, but it can be good weird.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm very confident, dude, and very confident given

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Speaker 4: his resume coming over from SMU. They just got to

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Speaker 4: the tournament for the first time in several years and

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Speaker 4: had a great recruiting class. He has something on his

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Speaker 4: resume to back up why you want him to lead

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Speaker 4: your program.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was talking about the McDonald's All Americans

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Speaker 2: mostly with Andy Enfield.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Bronnie James, Evan Mobley, Isaiah.

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Speaker 3: Call yeer.

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Speaker 1: Guys like that. I mean, he's been able to find

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Speaker 4: Ronnie James four points last night against the Pacers.

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Speaker 2: No, you got a gay time erupted for four points

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Speaker 2: last night against the Pacers.

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Speaker 4: Shout out to him, my buddy, is it Dan? How

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Speaker 4: you say his last name? Wokeie Woke? He's our Lakers

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Speaker 4: reporter did a feature story on James after the game,

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Speaker 4: and I was thinking, boy, to be Lebron's son? Score

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Speaker 4: four points? Do you get a feature?

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Speaker 1: Great?

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Speaker 4: Time to be alive?

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Speaker 5: Ron and BRONI you are living life, just travel the US,

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Speaker 5: play in the NBA, and like play golf together.

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Speaker 1: It was cool seeing him yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I thought, like just dapping each other up like Bron

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you see that video of Lebron

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Speaker 1: James playing golf yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I had a little uh yeah in the era at

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Speaker 5: golf right with the sun. Yeah yeah, I thought he

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Speaker 5: almost snap hooked into the pickleball court there.

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Speaker 1: You need to get off of sixteenth t Can you

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Speaker 1: give him a few pointers?

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Speaker 5: I am going to go out on a limb and

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Speaker 5: say Lebron has access to some unbelievable golf code.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but not Kevin Bowen Well Kevin Boone.

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Speaker 5: He'd only get worse.

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Speaker 1: You can play with Kevin Bowen at the Fan Invitational?

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Speaker 1: Can you do that? Lebron? We'll get Lebron to play

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Speaker 1: at the Fan Invitational. What do you think, Frank lab

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Speaker 1: An Airport?

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Speaker 5: He can fly the private jet.

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Speaker 3: Right there?

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Speaker 1: We go, all right, coming up in a minute.

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Speaker 2: We will get you ready to go for all things

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Speaker 2: sports the rest of the day. Where to watch it,

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Speaker 2: what to watch when it starts, everything else. As we

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