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Speaker 1: I know that's that's what she's earned that right. She

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Speaker 1: Amongst her broadcast duties with basketball as well a Stephanie

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Mery Christmas.

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Speaker 1: So you like the song or you just it's become

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Speaker 2: I love this song. I love this song.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that's fair. Now what's the second one? What's okay?

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Speaker 1: Let me ask us what's give me the Christmas carol?

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Speaker 1: Of the Christmas Carols the wrong word, but the recorded

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Speaker 3: I love Christmas music, so there's probably not one that

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm cool with that. I you know the one

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Speaker 1: And you tell me if you consider this a Christmas song,

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Speaker 4: You know the song, right?

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Speaker 2: I don't know the song? Yeah, I have to find

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Speaker 1: Okay, Nathaniel find do they know it's Christmas by band aid?

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Speaker 3: I was actually flying home to Nashville from New York

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Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that, all right, let's begin with this.

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Speaker 1: Now, now step down. I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: Right Okay, So I do want to get to this

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Speaker 3: She hasn't really played for a long time, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Do you you've had a chance now, Stephanie, to to

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Speaker 1: When you look Stephanie at moving forward now and getting

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Speaker 2: It's both, you know, it really is.

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Speaker 3: This is our job is to find every weakness that

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Speaker 1: Will it be a challenge to reacclimate Caitlin Clark to

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a challenge after what was

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Speaker 1: Where do things stand right now with the Collective Bargaining Agreement?

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Speaker 1: And that in terms of and I don't know how

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Speaker 4: How difficult is that.

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Speaker 2: It's it's challenging.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm thankful I'm not Amber Cox right now

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Speaker 1: I thought I saw a headline and you tell me

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Speaker 1: you have great respect for all great players. Was that

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Speaker 1: The when you see different great players and you get

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Speaker 4: Be working with.

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Speaker 3: It really is, you know, to be in the gym

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Speaker 2: You know, a basketball that like.

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Speaker 1: Me, Stephanie, I want to ask you, and we have

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Speaker 2: You know, they taught me all of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: those guys helping me understand what it means to prepare

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Speaker 3: and be a pro.

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Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, because it dropped out for just a second,

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Speaker 1: give me the name of the Purdue player again when

443
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Speaker 1: you first got to produce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stacy Lovely, Stacy Lovelace.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well listen.

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Speaker 1: I hope every uh, I hope everything that Santa that

447
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Speaker 1: you've asked Santa for shows up underneath the tree, not

448
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Speaker 1: only for yourself, but your family and your kids as well. Stephanie,

449
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Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate the time and safe travels. Look forward

450
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Speaker 1: to talking to you again soon. All right, I appreciate

451
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Speaker 1: it how it is, i'd say to you, Stephanie White

452
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Speaker 1: joining us on the program on the Java House peeling

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Speaker 1: poor guest line, peeling poor guest line for our friend

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef Ralph reef dot com r e i f

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Speaker 1: F dot com. And if you've listened to this program

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Speaker 1: and you've heard Ralph, you know there's nobody better when

457
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Speaker 1: it comes to explaining the training and just the overall

458
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Speaker 1: health when it comes to athletes. And he joins me, Now,

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Speaker 1: Ralph a couple of them to get to. And first off,

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Speaker 1: let me begin simply by saying the happiest of holidays

461
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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much, Jake.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that, looking forward to it, and uh, we're

464
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Speaker 6: we're right upon it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, all right, let's begin with this and we're

466
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Speaker 1: going to go outside of market. Uh, with the injury

467
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Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes. And the reason I mentioned it because

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Speaker 1: I think you look at the colts for next year

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Speaker 1: and you're saying, Okay, I shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: You know, the cults are still alive for this year.

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Speaker 1: I get it, But if you look at next year,

472
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Speaker 1: you start thinking about who in the AFC are contenders

473
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Speaker 1: and you wonder about the availability to you, Patrick Mahomes.

474
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Speaker 1: I saw this Ralph acl injury. You know we always

475
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Speaker 1: hear ACL. I thought I saw an acronym with which

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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar in the knee and you tell me

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Speaker 1: if I misread it the LCL. I don't know that

478
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Speaker 1: I've heard of that one before. Did I read that correctly?

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Speaker 5: Jake?

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Speaker 6: You read it correctly, and it's the lateral collateral ligment.

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Speaker 6: So it's if you rub the outside of your knee joint,

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Speaker 6: that's the general.

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Speaker 5: Area of the LCL.

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Speaker 6: Typically, in an anti recrutiant ligament injury, uh, you will

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Speaker 6: get either an isolated tear of the E in other words,

486
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Speaker 6: nothing else is wrong except that ligament is torn. But Joe, Uh,

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Speaker 6: don't know the percentages off the top of my head.

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Speaker 5: But the medial.

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Speaker 6: Collateral ligament is quite often injured with an ACL tear,

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Speaker 6: and sometimes you'll get a little moniscous injury and maybe

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Speaker 6: a bone bruise. But to get the LCL involved is

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Speaker 6: a little less common, and it adds some complexity to

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Speaker 6: the return to play.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And that of those two ralph ACL LCL, for example,

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Speaker 1: is there one of those ligaments that is more stubborn

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Speaker 1: than the other.

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Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 5: Stubborn in terms of.

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Speaker 4: Timeline of repair.

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Speaker 6: Oh, well, according to all the reports and so forth,

501
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Speaker 6: they did actually repair the lateral collateral ligment along with

502
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Speaker 6: a repair of the.

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Speaker 5: Anti kit ligament.

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Speaker 6: They did the procedures to regain the stability to the

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Speaker 6: knee and with the lateral collateral ligament, not.

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Speaker 5: Saying that one is more unique than the other.

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Speaker 6: The ACL carries much more load front to back stop

508
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Speaker 6: in a going forward and you go into reverse, your

509
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Speaker 6: ACL is really involved in that motion when you're rotating

510
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Speaker 6: or you're running in a circle, if you will, And

511
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Speaker 6: that ligament on the outside is where a lot of

512
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Speaker 6: stress comes and so it adds the complexity to it

513
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Speaker 6: from the standpoint that not only will the ACL need

514
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Speaker 6: to repair and he'll need to get that motion back,

515
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Speaker 6: but one of his greatest traits as an athlete is

516
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Speaker 6: his ability to be mobile and to get out of

517
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Speaker 6: peculiar situations on the field being partially tackled and rotating

518
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Speaker 6: out of it once and forth. As a matter of fact,

519
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Speaker 6: his longtime strength coach Bob Stoops, who managed him in

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Speaker 6: Texas and then moved to Kansas City with him, is.

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Speaker 5: Well known for his ability to train at like that.

522
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Speaker 6: So this will be a real test to get Mahomes

523
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Speaker 6: back to homes that we've known with all of his

524
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Speaker 6: various abilities to get out of tough situations, Ralph.

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Speaker 1: Is there a And I know that everybody is different, right,

526
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Speaker 1: every human is different, But for the most part in

527
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Speaker 1: your experience and your vast experience as an athletic trainer,

528
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Speaker 1: is there an age that, more often than not, you

529
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Speaker 1: from a training standpoint look at and say, gosh. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Patrick mahomes case, okay, just generically speaking

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Speaker 1: that you look at and you say, once a guy

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Speaker 1: or a gal reaches that age, then it's kind of

533
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Speaker 1: like having one hundred thousand miles on the car where

534
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Speaker 1: things just are different than they were prior.

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Speaker 4: Is there like a.

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Speaker 1: Magic age that is the age of the Mendoza line?

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Speaker 4: From a training standpoint, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Think we've found that, Jake, And I think you know

539
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Speaker 6: all the recent news from downhill skiing to quarter in

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Speaker 6: the NFL, that line is raising into a higher age bracket.

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Speaker 6: And you know, so what Lindsey vonn has done to

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Speaker 6: come back from multiple knee surgeries, some parts of her

543
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Speaker 6: knee being replaced and being able to do what she's

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Speaker 6: doing at age forty one and is remarkable by old standards.

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Speaker 6: And so I think that we're we're more forgiving as

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Speaker 6: a sports society to allow age not to be a factor.

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Speaker 6: Lebron James has certainly done that. You look at across

548
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Speaker 6: Major League Baseball and people standing on that pitching mound

549
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Speaker 6: that have done amazing things that at what we would

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Speaker 6: refer to as old age.

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Speaker 5: So I think that line, whatever it.

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Speaker 6: Is, is rising, if you will, into an older older

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Speaker 6: age bracket.

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Speaker 1: Jacob Okay, Bernard Rayman has and all we know is

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Speaker 1: that it is an elbow injury. Now, you know, we

556
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Speaker 1: all hit our funny bones, so to speak, but he

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Speaker 1: had it bandaged. It's a little bit perhaps more elusive

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Speaker 1: to the weekend warrior like me, but as somebody with

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Speaker 1: more of a trained die and I know you don't

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Speaker 1: work specifically with Ryman, but typically that would mean perhaps

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Speaker 1: what and how problematic an area.

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Speaker 6: My sense is with this situation again, there's there's not

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Speaker 6: a lot specific to this injury. But if we were

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Speaker 6: to be generic about elbow injuries in lineman, he's probably

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Speaker 6: had some soft tissue injury. Again to the UCL A

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Speaker 6: lot of acronyms here, the owner collateral ligament which acts

567
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Speaker 6: like the lateral collateral and the media flateral in the knee.

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Speaker 6: So if you think about the elbow is a little

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Speaker 6: bit of a resemblance to the knee joint, you'd be

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Speaker 6: pretty accurate. And so my guess is that he's got

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Speaker 6: a Tommy John type of of stretch to the ulner

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Speaker 6: collateral ligament and that really deteriorates the stability of the

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Speaker 6: elbow to work correctly. And so what does that mean.

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Speaker 6: That means that to extend and push off, so to

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Speaker 6: grab and pull towards you. So those kinds of things

576
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Speaker 6: are very very limited. You can be braced up, you

577
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Speaker 6: can be really stabilized, but you're real limited in your

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Speaker 6: ability to use that arm the way you want. And then,

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Speaker 6: as we've seen with other injuries, then you have compensation

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Speaker 6: kind of issues that you worry about around the wrist

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Speaker 6: and also more particularly up around the shoulder joint.

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Speaker 1: When you look Ralph at the Forrest Buckner coming back,

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef is my guest job House, Peel and Poor

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Speaker 1: f dot com where you can see Ralph's work also

586
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: see where he continues to work in terms of whether

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Speaker 1: be speaking engagements or working in the training aspects of

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Speaker 1: today that's got him going all over the world. But

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Speaker 1: Ralph when you look at DeForest Buckner and coming off

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Speaker 1: we know that we talked about and you did a

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Speaker 1: great job explaining stem cells and the neck injury that

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Speaker 1: he had. Once a guy is cleared from the situation

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Speaker 1: that he has had, do you have to bubble wrap

594
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Speaker 1: it a little bit or do you not put him

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Speaker 1: out there until he's good to go? Will there be

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Speaker 1: any impediment to his range of motion?

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Speaker 6: So range of motion won't be should not be an issue.

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Speaker 6: The biggest issue would be around his strength of the

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Speaker 6: affected limb. So more than likely he had one side

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Speaker 6: of his upper extremities that was affected by this well

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Speaker 6: documented disc in the cervical vertebrae that was damaged in

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Speaker 6: some manner. Therefore, it started to swell and it put

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Speaker 6: pressure on the nerves that run into the upper shoulder,

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Speaker 6: the back and into the arm. And so we know,

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Speaker 6: Weekend Warrior NFL player, when you have a nerve impingement

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Speaker 6: or a nerve injury to where it's not fully functioning

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Speaker 6: due to it's so like a water hose in the

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Speaker 6: you know, beside your house, and it's running and you

609
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Speaker 6: step on it, and therefore not as much water runs

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Speaker 6: through the water hose and that's the same thing with

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Speaker 6: the nerve, and so we know that within twelve to

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Speaker 6: fourteen days muscles deteriorate in strength of the forty percent.

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Speaker 6: So his big issue coming back will be strength and endurance.

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Speaker 6: And therefore then the third thing would be pain, because

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Speaker 6: that nerve can create some pain into the arm and

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Speaker 6: into the tricept.

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Speaker 5: And so forth.

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Speaker 2: So I think the.

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Speaker 6: Biggest issue is does he have the strength to play

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Speaker 6: his position at the level that we know him to play.

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Speaker 4: Ralph.

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Speaker 1: Lastly, because you're always a good sport and you know,

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Speaker 1: we've moved into a new building that we have some

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Speaker 1: wires that are kind of like nerves, right, like you

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Speaker 1: step on them wrong, and you know, things just kind

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Speaker 1: of missfine. So so occasionally and periodically when we're talking

627
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Speaker 1: to people, their voice gets a little elevated and pitched.

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Speaker 1: They sound a little a little like maybe they're in

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Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz and you're a good sport. Can

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Speaker 1: we get you real quick just to say for me

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Speaker 1: if you could we represent the Lollipop Guild. Can I

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Speaker 1: just get you real quick to say that on the

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Speaker 1: air we represent the Lollipop Guild.

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Speaker 6: We represent the Lollipop Guild.

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Speaker 1: That is not really what Ralph sounds like. I promise

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Speaker 1: you folks, we just have a wire. We got to

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Speaker 1: get some stem cells in one of the wires for

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Speaker 1: our system here. Ralph, I appreciate it. It is great information.

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Speaker 1: Even if it sounds a little helium helium induced. It

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Speaker 1: is great information and always appreciate it. If we don't

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Speaker 1: talk to you, certainly wish you the very best of

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00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: the holiday season. I think we'll probably talk before then.

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Speaker 1: But if we don't, certainly wanted to get that covered

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you very much, same to everyone there within

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Speaker 6: in the station.

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Speaker 4: Ralph Reef joining us.

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Speaker 1: Joel Erickson is, of course the Colt speedwriter for the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star. He joins us on the Java House Peel

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Speaker 1: and Poor Guest line. Java House Jake twenty five is

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Speaker 1: particularly love. Let's get right to this, Joel. From an

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Speaker 1: injury standpoint, Bernard Ryman, I will begin with that elbow

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Speaker 1: is all I know, and we all have two of them.

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Speaker 1: Where do things stand? With Bernard Ryman, and do we

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Speaker 1: know any more specifically what may be wrong.

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Speaker 7: No, we don't know anything more specifically. We're kind of

660
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Speaker 7: on a weird week here where this is Wednesday, and

661
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 7: normally we should have updated information, but for the Colds,

662
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 7: it's technically Tuesday since they're playing on Monday. So this

663
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 7: is one of those weird ones where every day kind

664
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 7: of feels a little bit off because you're doing stuff.

665
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 7: You're doing stuff a day late.

666
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: But the last I saw.

667
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 7: Of Ryman he walking out of the locker room and

668
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 7: using only his left hand but to carry stuff, everything

669
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 7: like that, as you'd expect after.

670
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: Suffering an elbow injury.

671
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 7: But Shane's iking didn't rule him out, so we'll just

672
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 7: kind of see how things go when they get into

673
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 7: practice tomorrow.

674
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: Jill, I thought you asked, and I believe it was

675
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: you that asked the question, and I want to get

676
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: into this the I totally understand it. You know the

677
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and you know Anthony Richardson. Now being back,

678
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm confused by this and I want you to paraphrase

679
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: for folks, how exactly did you ask the question to

680
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Shane Stike and regarding Anthony Richardson and his availability or

681
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: lack thereof.

682
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: I believe I.

683
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 7: Said something along the lines of, you know, for those

684
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 7: of us who don't know.

685
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: What's what's what makes it?

686
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 7: The difference between you know, Anthony Richardson not really playing

687
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 7: football for two months versus Philip Rivers not playing for.

688
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: Four and a half or five years.

689
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 7: And really he said, it just comes down to the

690
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 7: fact that Richardson is coming off of injury. My understanding

691
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 7: is he's clear to do physical activity, but that doesn't

692
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 7: necessarily mean he's ready to practice that kind of thing.

693
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 7: Obviously a very serious eye injury. But yeah, that's that's

694
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 7: kind of that's kind of what we're trying to get at.

695
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 7: Was just, you know, obviously two months off is not

696
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 7: the same as five years off. But you know, Shane

697
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 7: Stikeen was like, the difference of the fact that that

698
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 7: Richardson was injured.

699
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: What I found peculiar.

700
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: And I want you, Joel, you were there, Okay, I

701
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: want you to tell me if I'm wrong in this.

702
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: To me, it would have been very easy for Shane

703
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: Steichen to simply say, look, every injury is different, and

704
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: while he has been cleared to practice, we still have

705
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: to be very cautious because it was an orbital bone

706
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: of full contact, and so we will temper that as

707
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: it goes.

708
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: I think people go okay.

709
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: But when he repeatedly kept saying like, you know, physical

710
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: activity or I can't remember the exact wording that he used,

711
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: but basically insinuating he's got to get back into football shape.

712
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, yeah, but you're comparing it to a

713
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: guy that's twenty years older and hasn't played literally in

714
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: a half a decade. To me, what I'm getting at

715
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: is this, and I want you to tell me I'm wrong.

716
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: You were there.

717
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: It sounded to me like Shane Steichen was basically coming

718
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: up with any reason he could to essentially say, because

719
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm done with the guy. I don't dislike him as

720
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: a person. I don't dislike him as a player. I

721
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: just distrust him as a quarterback, and I'm going to

722
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: go elsewhere. That's what I heard.

723
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 7: My understanding is that there are physical, you know issues.

724
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 7: I agree with you generally the answer you laid out,

725
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 7: it does feel like it would be easy. I mean,

726
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 7: I think three years, isn't that we know that legend.

727
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 7: We don't always get an explanation quite like that from Shane.

728
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: By the way, Joel, this is you know, it's a

729
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: wonderful time of year, right, you know, I mean Andy

730
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: Williams said it's the most wonderful.

731
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: Time of the year.

732
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: And in one of the things that's fun about it,

733
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, you have kids, and you know, you wake

734
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: up here in a little over a week or whatever

735
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: it might be, and there's gifts under the tree and

736
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: it's fun, right, and there's you know, stuff hanging in

737
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: this from the fireplace, and oranges in it and candy

738
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: in it and the whole deal. I'm just curious. It's

739
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: my understanding. It's my understanding. Did you happen to get

740
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: any sort of a porch visit in the middle of

741
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: the night of Late.

742
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 7: The Beer Fairy? Well, like one of the Beer Fairy's

743
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 7: best runs ever, I think, really yeah, Well, you know,

744
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know if the listeners know this,

745
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 7: that the Beer Fery has ways of sort of making

746
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 7: requests for wondering whether or not, you know, if I'm

747
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 7: craving anything, and sometimes it stuff's out and sometimes it's not.

748
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 7: But I got exactly, I got exactly what I asked

749
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 7: for on my list.

750
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: Listen the beer Faery. The Beer Fairy is, I know,

751
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: and for those that don't know, the beer Faery is.

752
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: And I actually I've never actually divulged.

753
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: This, but I will, Joel, I'll tell you this real quick.

754
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 4: You're ready.

755
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: Yes, many moons ago, I was but a younger lad

756
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: and I was I was living in Saint Louis.

757
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: Actually okay, true story.

758
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: And my car got stolen in Saint Louis, also a

759
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: true story. And because my car was stolen, and during

760
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: the time between when my car was stolen and when

761
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: I could get a new car, I took public transportation,

762
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: no problem, right. And I was one day on the

763
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: King's Highway late at night, late at night. The only

764
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: light illuminating the interior of this old bus that I

765
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: was riding was that of one of the Greasy Spoon

766
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: diners there on King's Highway in Saint Louis. And through

767
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: the flicker of the Greasy Spoon diner, I could see

768
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: within the bus the glistening of some sort of almost

769
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: like a like a dust. And I heard but of

770
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: a whimper, and I realized it was the Beer Faery.

771
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Beer Fery was making a run now in Saint Louis.

772
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: The beer Fairy has a bit of a monopoly because

773
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: Aneer Bush runs everything right, so not a hard gig

774
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: for the beer Faery. So the beer faery was telling

775
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: me how because everybody in Saint Louis already has Anheuser

776
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: Busch stuff, not a lot of use or work for

777
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: the beer Faery. So we became friends, and the beer

778
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: Fery occasionally will ask me if I know of people

779
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: that may need help from the beer Faery, and so

780
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: I have facilitated those conversations, and the beer Faery is

781
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: very eager to please. And so I asked you on

782
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: the air if there was anything you like, and I

783
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: think and I passed it along to the beer Faery.

784
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: My understanding is the beer faery works very hard to accommodate.

785
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 7: I just just an incredible, an incredible run, you know,

786
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 7: and you will enjoy this as well. I am planning

787
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 7: to sit down and sample the tail wagger ambers that

788
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 7: came as I continue to read John U. Bacon's latest book,

789
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 7: you know what it is? I noticed to the topic

790
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 7: that they interest you as.

791
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 4: Well, John you Bacon's latest book. You know.

792
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I did read a book from Johnya Cheddar which is

793
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: from the same category as Johnny Bacon's. But I don't

794
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: know the book of which he speaks, So go ahead.

795
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: The Gales of November.

796
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah. I should have known this, Yes, and

797
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: I got I got news for you. It leaves you

798
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: with a sinking feeling. Just so you know, I do

799
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: know how the book ends. Uh, this is the Tale

800
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

801
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: Correct, this is the Tale of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

802
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 4: Yes, Joel, I have already had anniversary. Listen.

803
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: I've always had beef with Gordon Lightfoot, Okay, because Gordon

804
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: Lightfoot in his song saying it says and the record

805
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: of the Edvan Fitzgerald, he says, the church bell chimed.

806
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: It chimed twenty nine times for each man on the

807
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: Edmon Fitzgerald. And I've always had beef with that because

808
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: it actually chimed twenty nine times, once for each man

809
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: on the ed Mif Fitzgerald.

810
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 4: The way that he does it indicates that it's.

811
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: Twenty nine per person, right, and twenty nine times twenty

812
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: nine would be what some eight hundred and forty two

813
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: something like that. It didn't chime that many.

814
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 4: Times, just chiming.

815
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, Gordon, that's an excellent point.

816
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 1: Gordon, a little sloppy by the way. Gordon Lightfoot also

817
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: wrote sundown about the woman that was his mistress at

818
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: the time who later went on to become the mistress

819
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: that was with John Beluci on the ninety nine.

820
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: But that's a different talk show.

821
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: But I'm glad that I'm glad you're going to enjoy

822
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: your beer while you read your book, and the beer

823
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: fairy is happy to know that the beer Fairy had

824
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: a good delivery. Now let's get back to this in

825
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: terms of delivery for the cult, do you feel Philip

826
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Rivers delivered and do you think Shane Steiken delivered the

827
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: right game plan for him?

828
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: It was the right game plan for that game.

829
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 7: Rivers executed honestly better than I thought he would in

830
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 7: terms of how many capasses he completed for that game.

831
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 7: Like I said, it's the right one because that's that

832
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 7: defense picks off a lot of passes.

833
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: They sacked quarterback a lot.

834
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 7: Ultimately, though, it ended up to me just sort of

835
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 7: highlighting how the predicament the Colts are in without Daniel

836
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 7: Jones as the starting quarterback, because if you have to

837
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 7: run that sort of game plan where you need just

838
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 7: you need everything to go just perfectly.

839
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: It's it's just not a way to make the it's

840
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: not a way to make the playoffs. But here's the thing.

841
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 7: Like when you're down to your number three quarterback and

842
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 7: you're calling in Philip Rivers from you know, Fairhope, Alabama

843
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 7: to do it, that's that's kind of the spot you're in.

844
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 7: And that would be true if it was Riley Leonard.

845
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 7: That would be true if it was smelling air. Just

846
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 7: whenever you get to your number three option at quarterback

847
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 7: in the NFL, you're at a bad spot.

848
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: If they Okay, and I don't know this answer, Joel.

849
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: If the Colts were to lose Monday Night to San Francisco,

850
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: not saying it's going to happen, but if they were

851
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: to lose Monday Night to San Francisco, in other words,

852
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: there is no chance they are eliminated from the postseason mathematically.

853
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, they would not. The latest

854
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: game in which they would be eliminated would be going

855
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: into Week seventeen.

856
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 4: Am I correct?

857
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: I think so? I think so.

858
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: So that gives them because the reason I ask, if

859
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: they are eliminated from the postseason, do we assume that

860
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: that means Philip Rivers then hops arrived with the beer

861
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: ferry back to Alabama.

862
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: That is a fantastic question. I would think so, but

863
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't.

864
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 7: But also, Philip Rivers is you know a guy who

865
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 7: duty and honor that stuff, So maybe you would stick around.

866
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: But yes, I would think. I would think if they

867
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: got eliminated, that would be the end of it.

868
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Once they're eliminated, they don't have and I hate to

869
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: say this because he's a good dude, but they don't

870
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: have any use for him at that point because at

871
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: that point you have two quarterbacks that you have to

872
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: see something from.

873
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: Right.

874
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

875
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 7: I think if you're eliminated from the playoffs, the changes

876
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 7: the equation entirely.

877
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: And so yeah, that's that's kind of expecting.

878
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 7: But you know, I've I've been wrong about this cult

879
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 7: team a few times this year, and so I'm making

880
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 7: me hedge my bets.

881
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: But by the way, have you ever listened to Joel

882
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: speaking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Have you ever listened to

883
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: the radio transmission of the captain that was in the

884
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: ship that they asked to go back and check on

885
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: the Fitzgerald?

886
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I have.

887
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't mean to make light of this. I mean

888
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: it was fifty years ago. There are still obviously fait,

889
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I would imagine many of the

890
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: men that perished have kids that are rotten my age now.

891
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know that I've ever heard of radio

892
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: transmission of a dude that less wanted to do what

893
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: he was being asked than that guy, right, And I

894
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: don't blame him, right, but but he literally is like, oh,

895
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, the city's pretty large out there. I

896
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: mean you could tell this guy was sitting down with

897
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: a book and a delivery from the beer faery and

898
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: had zero interest.

899
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, Yeah, that's that's definitely there.

900
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 7: There's a there's a there's a piece I'm only like

901
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 7: one hundred and something pages in right now, but there's

902
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 7: a piece about like a rescue from one of the

903
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 7: other freighters that went down before the fits, and it's

904
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 7: the rescue sounds almost as bad as a thinking if that.

905
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 4: Oh, it had to have been treacherous as can be. Right.

906
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, and I'll give him credit. I mean,

907
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: the Captain Anderson I think is his name. He is,

908
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: he was the ship that was and I believe he

909
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: was in front of the Fitzgerald if I'm not mistaken,

910
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: but he when they radioed to him, you know, they're like, hey,

911
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: can you turn around and go back? And he I

912
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: mean I think ultimately he did do so. Actually, and

913
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't that he but he was just saying like, look,

914
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: this is literally the worst we've ever seen. I mean,

915
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: he was like, there is holding her own there and

916
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: then he wanted no part of it.

917
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 4: Man, you could tell. I mean it's kind of haunting actually.

918
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: The waves, the waves and everything.

919
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 7: So obviously being from Wisconsin, I've been by you know,

920
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 7: get you Gooty and by Lake Michigan quite a bit,

921
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 7: but I've never.

922
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: Been on them.

923
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 7: And the waves out out where it's you know, where

924
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 7: you have a freighter going in the Great Lakes can

925
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 7: be can be pretty intense. And I can't imagine trying

926
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 7: to you know, like one of the haunting things from

927
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 7: the book so far as they say those freighters were

928
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 7: so long that like the front of the freighter could

929
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 7: be in one wave and the back of the way

930
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 7: the freighter could be in the other wave, and the

931
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 7: middle is just suspended above the water, which it is terrisfying.

932
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know if you know this or not,

933
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: but the waves turn the minutes to ours now and

934
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: the Edmund Fitzgerald Joel true true story. The Edmund Fitzgerald,

935
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: if you had stood it upright, was taller than the

936
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: Salesforce Tower in Indianapolis. That's how long it was. I

937
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: mean that gives you an idea how big it was

938
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: all right before we let you go. Just kind of overall,

939
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you could coming off of this game.

940
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: There just kind of seems to be this unknown about

941
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: the Colts speak. And we'll get into it a later time.

942
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Whether or not Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are back

943
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: we can get you know, with the the injuries themselves.

944
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: You know, Mooney Ward, I have real question about whether

945
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: or not he comes back next year, but that remains

946
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: to be seen. Right other players, you wonder if they

947
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: come back in terms of the health status right now

948
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: of players for availability that could be working their back

949
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: their way back in or miss the game against San Francisco.

950
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Run down for me those players, and then run down

951
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: for me what you anticipate seeing, if anything different in

952
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: terms of their use of philip rivers from what we

953
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: saw against Seattle.

954
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the big the big tooth that stick

955
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 7: out in my mind are the Forest Buckner who practiced

956
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 7: last week but wasn't able to go.

957
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: You know, if you can get him back, that helps.

958
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 7: I mean, this past rush has has only has two

959
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 7: secs in the last three weeks. I don't know that

960
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 7: you're going to get Buckner the full the Forest Buckner

961
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 7: coming off of this injury, but but he.

962
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 2: Would still he would still help.

963
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 7: And then I'm also very curious to find out does

964
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 7: Sauce Gardner uh start to make his way back from

965
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 7: the calf He's been out a couple of weeks now.

966
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that the.

967
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 7: Calf strains are obviously tricky, and I think if you

968
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 7: watch NBA basketball, you're aware that those things kind to linger.

969
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: So maybe we don't feed him.

970
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 7: But the other one that could help considerably for this

971
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 7: team in terms of injury.

972
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: And then and then the other one that.

973
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 7: You do they have their left tackle because this is

974
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 7: a this is a forty nine ers team that does

975
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 7: not rush the passer well at all. This season, they

976
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 7: were thirty second sacks or thirty sorry, thirty second sack sack. Great,

977
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 7: They're thirty first in pressure rate. They only have sixteen

978
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 7: sacks on the season. Their lead guy has four. But

979
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 7: that kind of evens out if you're going to get

980
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 7: the two backup tackles instead of against Bernard Ryman and

981
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 7: Jalen Travis. So I think that's the other one, that

982
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 7: there's those three right there would really really change I

983
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 7: think the picture a little bit. And then in terms

984
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 7: of rivers, like how many how many of those back

985
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 7: shoulders does his arms having them?

986
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: That's mine And I mean didn't Seattle kind of to

987
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: me Joel and I didn't mean to cut you off there,

988
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: but but yes, because Seattle, I think kind of wanted to.

989
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: They kind of let him do, like, Okay, let's see

990
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: what you got here, right, And then once they kind

991
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: of had an idea, then they were able to kind

992
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: of push forward. They knew they didn't have to drop

993
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: several back. They could spy on Taylor that way, they

994
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: didn't have to blitz because they didn't want Taylor running

995
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: through a blitz because they just kind of sat back

996
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: and that and Indianapolis could not.

997
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: Move the ball. So did they put the blueprint there

998
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 4: for San Francisco?

999
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I mean, if you're if you're Robert taller,

1000
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 7: you're thinking, I got to move my guys forward.

1001
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: The other thing that's.

1002
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 7: Interesting is that San Francisco's defense this year essentially is

1003
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 7: allowing teams to just do what Rivers did. Essentially, they're

1004
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 7: just letting teams through a complete a lot of passes

1005
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 7: and throw short. They've given up a very high completion percentage,

1006
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 7: but they haven't given up that many points because they're

1007
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 7: incredible in the red zone. So and and then you

1008
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 7: figure out, can they move them forward a little bit

1009
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 7: not have to worry about say like if you have

1010
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 7: a different quarterback in this game, then you are terrified

1011
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 7: by peers getting over.

1012
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: The top on you.

1013
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 7: You're probably not worried about that, right, But their style,

1014
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 7: their style of play is sort of to to let

1015
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 7: you do what Rivers was doing last week and into

1016
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 7: this can't take advantage of it and let you not

1017
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 7: score enough points on your drives and then you end

1018
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 7: up losing.

1019
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Joel, before I let you go, because the wires

1020
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: are getting stepped on again here and it's your voices

1021
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: look like right there, you're a little giggle.

1022
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: It's it's it's fun, right.

1023
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: Uh So if you could and I'll give you dealers

1024
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: you know, or not dealers, but recipient's choice. We need

1025
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: you to either say, follow the yellow brick road we

1026
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: represent the Lollipop Guild, or declare that the witch is dead.

1027
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 4: Whichever one you'd.

1028
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: Like, follow the yellow brick roads.

1029
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: Now, did you alter your voice in doing that in

1030
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 4: any way, shape or form.

1031
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 7: No, no, and I don't and I don't know what

1032
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 7: just happened on the other end, So I'm mystified.

1033
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: We'll send it to you. I assumed it was gonna

1034
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: play me in the next time, have my mind.

1035
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 4: Listen? Can he do it one more time?

1036
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: Bottle the yellow brick Road?

1037
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: All right, Joe, we'll let you. We'll let you go

1038
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: down the yellow brick Road. I appreciate it as always