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Speaker 1: Steve Alford has won seven hundred and twenty four games

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Speaker 1: as ahead basketball coach. Of course, the nineteen eighty seven

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Speaker 1: national champion in the nineteen eighty three Indiana Mister Basketball,

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Speaker 1: and now back in Indiana for the Final Four to

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Speaker 1: accept the Keys to Life Award, which is the Coach

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Speaker 1: Wooden Keys to Life Award. It is presented annually to

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Speaker 1: a member of the college or professional basketball community who

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Speaker 1: quote lives out qualities exemplified by coach John Wooden outstanding character, integrity,

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Speaker 1: and leadership on the court, in the workplace, in the home,

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Speaker 2: He joins us now on the guest line. Coach.

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Speaker 1: First off, congratulations because not only does that resonate in

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Speaker 1: terms of what that award means, but I would imagine

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Speaker 1: for you special as well because of your deep connections

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question I appreciate that very much. It's

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Speaker 3: a very humbling honor. It's something that's a vi I've

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Speaker 3: been going through, going to at the Final Four for

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Speaker 3: over three decades, and I appreciate the relationship I've had

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Speaker 3: with athletes and action and what they've meant along the

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Speaker 3: lines to my faith and players that I've coached and

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Speaker 3: staff that I've had on my coaching staff, what they've done,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of effort that goes into that. So

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Speaker 3: I'm very appreciative athletes and action. Then obviously with Coach

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Speaker 3: Wooden's name on it, my first four years of Great

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Speaker 3: Schools in Martinsville, so I learned very early who John

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Speaker 3: Wooden was and what was he about. And then as

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Speaker 3: crazy circles go to then be coaching at UCLA down

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Speaker 3: the road, and obviously feeling the full impact of Coach Woulden.

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Speaker 3: To be honored in any way, shape or form with

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Speaker 3: his name on an award is very very special, you

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Speaker 3: know when you look at all of the things there

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Speaker 3: that are mentioned within that right, and you know obviously

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Speaker 3: playing for your dad and seeing you know your dad

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Speaker 3: as a high school coach and all the way through.

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Speaker 2: But I'm curious, if you go.

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Speaker 1: Back and look Steve Alford at your career, which aspect

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Speaker 1: of it, or perhaps which coach other than Sam Alford

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Speaker 1: per se would you say most instilled? And like at

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Speaker 1: what age range would you say that the characteristics about

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Speaker 3: A lot of question and a great question, A deep question,

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Speaker 3: just because I've always felt, and I think as you

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Speaker 3: get older, you since those things probably a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: I've always had a huge appreciation of the coaches that

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Speaker 3: so much to me. Obviously, it started in elementary school,

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Speaker 3: it started in junior high, all the way up to

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Speaker 3: my dad in high school. And I've always felt Dad's

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Speaker 3: been my coach forever. So the foundation of the game,

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Speaker 3: the disciplines, I think those things my dad is always

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Speaker 3: instilled than me and to this day continues to and

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Speaker 3: then obviously coach Knight, you know, just the preparations, the film,

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Speaker 3: the intense film that you go through. I think that

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Speaker 3: Gary Grant at Michigan was probably the hardest guy I

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Speaker 3: And those are things that really don't happen a whole

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Speaker 3: So coach and I just took it, I think, to

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Speaker 3: Don Nelson. I just I was around some not just

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Speaker 3: It gave me a pretty good blueprint of how I

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Speaker 3: I'm in year thirty just completed year thirty five, and

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Speaker 3: we had notebooks when I was at Indiana, and every

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Speaker 3: they completed a year with me. So it's you take

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Speaker 1: I remember speaking to Gary Grant in eighty seven. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of the few times. We talk

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Speaker 3: just to go walk down, shake hands the head coach,

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Speaker 3: And I can remember I wasn't on the bench very often,

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Speaker 1: I mean it seems like yesterday to me at times

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Speaker 1: What about the Steve Alford when you look back, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, Final four weekend when you're coming back. I

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Speaker 1: or do you recall more so the trip to New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: player memories come up, because our first two rounds are

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I mentioned this earlier.

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Speaker 1: Steve Alford is my guest, the head basketball coach of

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Speaker 1: showed Eddie earlier. You were doing an autograph signing at

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Speaker 1: me leaning in while you're signing my sports illustrated. Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: not by coincidence. Here we have the exact same haircut.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, we have similar to the exact

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Speaker 1: of this is by design because I was one of

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Speaker 1: Steve Alford, right, And the reason I bring that up.

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Speaker 1: If NIL had existed fifty years, you know, for the

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Speaker 1: would you have been the all time leader at Indiana

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Speaker 3: Well, I was very blessed and that I went from

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Speaker 3: So you would think those things might mirror that. But

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Speaker 3: I played for coach Knight and there was nobody on

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Speaker 3: our team that was going to get any money from AIL.

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Speaker 3: If Coach Knight is the coach, it would be donated

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Speaker 3: to the library fund. It would be donated somewhere on

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Speaker 3: sure coach, And there's probably several coaches I'd think about

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Speaker 1: Because I'm going to be honest with you, Steve, if

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Speaker 1: pop in nineteen eighty seven, I would have waited in

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Speaker 2: The offered Big Baller brand shoes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you, right, the feathered hair,

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Speaker 3: Levart says, we got to stay in our own lane.

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Speaker 3: So I got to stay in my own lane. There.

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Speaker 1: The reason I asked that is because you know now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. And I've spent a lot

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Speaker 3: him talking about it then, and not so much about NIL,

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Speaker 3: it's impossible to have three hundred and sixty schools. Look

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Speaker 1: I mean, my concern, and you tell me, this may

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Speaker 1: I don't know who painted it, but it had the

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Speaker 1: it. It was beautiful, right, And I pull up and I

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Speaker 1: realized that your folks don't live there anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I pull up and the hoop is gone.

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Speaker 1: And then I thought, well, that should be in the

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Speaker 1: hall of Fame, the Indian Hall of Fame in Newcastle

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Speaker 1: or something. And it was the disappointment of me the

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Speaker 1: same level about the Hope Diamond. Who in the world

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Speaker 1: took the basketball hoop out? And did you get first

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Speaker 1: right of refusal to purchase it?

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure it managers up to

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Speaker 3: the Hope Diamond. I do appreciate that, and it is

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Speaker 3: there is a sacrilegious thing obviously going on. Because one

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Speaker 3: not just because it was my backboard, my brother in

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Speaker 3: law painted it, and then my grandfather laid the foundation

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Speaker 3: because he was a prick mason, and in the concrete.

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Speaker 3: So I had the most leveled driveway. It was exactly

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Speaker 3: on that. So when it went down, I was very,

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Speaker 3: very disappointed in that. But the secondly, not to have

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Speaker 3: a goal on your driveway. That makes no sense. If

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Speaker 3: you live in Indiana, there should be a hoop up

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Speaker 3: on your driveway. So but it's carried me through to

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Speaker 3: all my places. I've been very blessed wherever I've been,

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Speaker 3: but we've had a hoop just about everywhere. And part

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Speaker 3: of when we look for a new home, there's got

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Speaker 3: to be a level driveway. And a lot of these

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Speaker 3: realtors outside of Indiana don't understand the meaning of that.

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Speaker 3: But if you're in Indiana, like it says in forty

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Speaker 3: nine states, it's one thing. Indiana is a little different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you whoever like it should have been

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Speaker 1: actually a requirement when purchasing the home. You're purchasing the

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Speaker 1: home and the backboard. There is no discussion allowed.

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Speaker 3: It's got a state.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no discussion allow. Well listen, coach.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time and welcome back to Indiana obviously

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Speaker 1: anytime you're back, but also congratulations on a well deserved

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Speaker 1: award when it comes to the athletes and action in

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Speaker 1: John Wooden and I know what both of those mean

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Speaker 1: to you, so certainly soak it all up and enjoy

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Speaker 1: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate so much. Thanks for having me on. God

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Speaker 3: blessings you.

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Speaker 2: And the family appreciate it. Steve Wall for joining me

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Speaker 2: on the guest line