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Speaker 2: with Indiana politics and government. Before we begin the program,

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Speaker 2: Robert thirty years in the Indiana Senate, the Great Jim Merritt. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 2: for those of you wondering, this is our second week

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Speaker 3: He is na He's busy man.

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Speaker 2: He is scheduled to be back with us next week, though,

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Speaker 2: with abduel here in state House happenings. But first, one

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Speaker 2: of the things that we got into today on our

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Speaker 2: Kendell and Casey program on WIBC was an interesting article

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Speaker 2: from columnist James Briggs in the Indie Star. Now. Briggs

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Speaker 2: a friend of our Kendelly Casey show. I don't agree

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Speaker 2: with him on a lot of his politics. But one

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Speaker 2: of the things that I do agree with him on,

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Speaker 2: and I think universally is agreed upon outside of the

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Speaker 2: State House, in state House being the lawmakers of the

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Speaker 2: General Assembly and the governor is what a dumpster fire

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Speaker 2: the Senate Bill one, the property tax bill is. And

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Speaker 2: before we get into the nuts and bolts of this,

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Speaker 2: it is fascinating how there is such a disconnect on

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Speaker 2: such an important issue between the lawmakers and the citizens

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Speaker 2: because everybody right, left, whatever, seems to hate this bill.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very difficult undertaking when the legislature writes

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Speaker 4: a bill Cenate Bill one on the fly and and

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Speaker 4: uh and expects local government to kind of fall into

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Speaker 3: I don't say this very often.

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Speaker 4: Briggs writes a good article because I I believe he

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Speaker 4: and I are politics aren't the same. And I think

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Speaker 4: he I think there are times that James takes cheap,

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Speaker 4: cheap shots and uh, and I don't like that. But uh,

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Speaker 4: that being being as having said that, I think that

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Speaker 4: understanding Center Bill one and and and and they've given

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Speaker 4: Center Bill one has given local government, uh some time

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Speaker 4: the situations, the pillars, the columns, the things that hold

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Speaker 4: Chamber Commerce Liane with Brad Clofenstein Claffenstein the cloffenstein Stein. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 4: it was the Greater Lawrence Chamber of Commerce. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: a young man by the name of Campbell Campbell Ritchie

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Speaker 2: And now now full disclosure, I was also invited to

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Speaker 4: Well, Campbell, he tried to explain the unexplainable. Yes, and

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Speaker 4: explain this, it's very difficult. It's like looking into a

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Speaker 4: very very very difficult. And a local government right now

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's just talk about this for a second,

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Speaker 2: because it's fascinating how the General Assembly had all this time.

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Speaker 2: that's so bad that whether it's Me on the right

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's it's what actually happened was that the

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Speaker 4: legislature has been studying and trying to get rid of

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Speaker 4: the income tax. When I started in nineteen ninety one,

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Speaker 4: it was three point four percent and property taxes, and

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Speaker 4: through the years we've had the property tax explosion. In

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Speaker 4: Although he didn't have any control over property taxes at

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Speaker 2: Did over the income tax, and that was the big.

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Speaker 3: One that got him right.

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Speaker 4: Well, that was your build up of many mayors and whatnot.

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Speaker 4: But the local option income tax, that's what the legislature

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Speaker 4: really wants to get to is giving the locals the

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Speaker 4: ability to have a local option income tax that pretty

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Speaker 4: much rules a day and moving away from property taxes,

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Speaker 4: well you can't. You can't have that transition if you

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Speaker 4: will overnight. And the devils in the details, and what

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Speaker 4: was really just a very difficult, difficult understanding of local government.

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Speaker 2: You've lost the title when you can't explain something to.

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Speaker 3: Them, Yes, and I just lost our car.

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Speaker 2: Well, but the problem is we're that's our job is

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Speaker 2: to try to talk about what these idiots do. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be nicer on this program. What these

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Speaker 2: esteemed sorry, this is not Kendling Casey. What these esteemed

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Speaker 2: I am not upset about governments having to make cuts.

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Speaker 2: I'm all for that. It's gotten totally out of control.

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Speaker 2: That was the premise of the property tax caps to

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Speaker 2: now with these assessments they're back to be in totally

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: What'd you do with all the money you got the

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Speaker 2: last four or five years with the skyrocketing assessments. My

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Speaker 2: are going to do referendums, and many local governments are

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Speaker 2: going to do these new local income taxes. So to me,

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Speaker 2: I'm fine with having the discussion about how much local

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Speaker 2: governments need to cut, which you know Briggs is upset

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Speaker 2: about that in this indisrpiece. I don't cry any tears

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Speaker 2: for those people. But I'm very upset about the lack

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Speaker 2: of actual cuts or or property tax relief that's going

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Speaker 2: to come back, which will basically be nothing, and I'll

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Speaker 2: probably end up paying more as well most people by

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Speaker 2: the time all the other taxes are factored in.

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Speaker 4: You know, I as a private citizen, now I want

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Speaker 4: if my house is on fire, I want I want

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Speaker 4: the fire department. If there's something going on in my

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Speaker 4: want any potholes. I want good schools, good schools, aid

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Speaker 4: public safety and an educated public is right, And that's

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Speaker 4: what I think. I think the property taxpayer just wants

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Speaker 3: And I think that's.

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Speaker 4: Really what you're talking about, is a baseline of a good,

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Speaker 3: You can enjoy the fruits of your community. I think

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Speaker 3: that's what we all want.

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Speaker 2: You live in Karmel, I live in Brownsburg. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: really hard when you have a taxpayer funded hotel, tax

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Speaker 2: two football fields now, Jim, Yes, one wasn't enough. We

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Speaker 2: needed too. Yes, we have multiple field houses. We built

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Speaker 2: so we were going to build a new one of those.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to be doing all of these things and

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Speaker 2: then go, well, how are we supposed to pay the

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Speaker 2: bills if you get three hundred dollars of property tax reform?

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Speaker 4: Longtime friend of mine I bumped into them in the

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Speaker 4: hardware store. He said, you know, I was driving by

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Speaker 4: the local high school and the front lawn has an

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Speaker 3: What's going on with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and it is I mean the grand gios,

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Speaker 2: the excess that. I mean, it's local governments across the board.

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Speaker 2: I think the schools are the biggest example of it.

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Speaker 2: But there's I mean, they did nothing to really address

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Speaker 2: the core thing, which is, as long as the assessments

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Speaker 2: continue to rise, people's property tax are going to continue

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Speaker 2: to go up. It is utterly ridiculous. The whole premise

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Speaker 2: should not have been this hard. Number one, the past

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Speaker 2: five years have got totally out of control. There's no

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Speaker 2: reason people's property tax should be doubling or tripling. The

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Speaker 2: government is not getting two or three times better, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so we got to address that right. The second side

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Speaker 2: of this is how do we prevent this in the future.

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Speaker 2: And the answer is why am I being punished for

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Speaker 2: some other I selling his house and making money? Oh?

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Speaker 4: The system is terrible in regards to assessment. And all

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Speaker 4: and eight nine, when when we're going through through these

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Speaker 4: these constitutional amendments regarding you know, putting a lid on

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Speaker 4: property taxes and the one two three percent on the

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Speaker 4: different types of property, there there were very few of

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Speaker 4: us that were screaming from the balconies to talk about

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Speaker 4: of gauging property. And and we did not, we the

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Speaker 4: legislature did not put any type of for the want

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Speaker 4: of a better word, governor on the assessment program because

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Speaker 4: you you looked at it from market value, and if

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Speaker 4: suffered for it. And it was really the it's insane

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Speaker 4: on the devil in that detail and represent a former representative,

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Speaker 4: Tom Saunders, I remember him so well screaming about about

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Speaker 2: Well, the whole premise of that is messed up. However,

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Speaker 2: I'm loath to defend you guys, but you know, I

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Speaker 2: Not that it makes it okay. Not that the property

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Speaker 2: Is the other part of this that you well, you

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Speaker 4: I was really surprised how deep you went on this.

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Speaker 2: No nobody cut more property taxes than me at a

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Speaker 2: When I get my property tax bill, I've appealed at

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Speaker 2: From the background on it, look, Briggs and I come

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Speaker 2: Like he went kicking and screaming, now, let's get to

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Speaker 2: Like Braun didn't say anything about property taxes during the camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, before we get off this guy, before we

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Speaker 2: to get done now now, Robert, my text I should have.

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Speaker 2: I should have just been very mean to them the

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Speaker 2: I tried, Well this you didn't and uh, and I

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Speaker 4: Well you you you took calls next morning, you remember, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And you're the Carmel resident on this is this all

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Speaker 4: First of all, I love living in Carmel because there

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: But also Jake.

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Speaker 4: Allen in Indianapolis Star this morning, UH has a headline

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Speaker 3: Obviously this is embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: And and and there.

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Speaker 3: They have a real problem. Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, you you had Mayor Brainer in the council

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Speaker 4: and and lots of arts funding and all all everything

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Speaker 4: that happened in those twenty four years that he was

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Speaker 4: mayor and in a very working with the with the

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Speaker 4: council and lots of respects. And then and then Sue

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Speaker 4: f InCom comes in as mayor, and you've got some

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Speaker 4: disrupt and she's she is trying to move arts funding

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Speaker 4: to an outside not for profit called either Carmel Experience

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Speaker 4: or Experienced Carmel. And she's trying to change what is

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Speaker 4: going on with Carmel government. And and and she's challenging

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Speaker 4: the council, and the council is challenging her.

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Speaker 3: They've got a little bit of an HR problem here.

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Speaker 2: And Uh, okay, but like the guy that she's one

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Speaker 2: of these guys she's mad at. I think Matthew Snyder

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Speaker 2: is his name, right. He described the communications the director

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Speaker 2: of the city's marketing communications, as being quote all dolled

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Speaker 2: up for a television interview. That's what she's mad about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's you got so little going on in Carmel that

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Speaker 2: that's worthy of an email.

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Speaker 3: That's embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: And uh and so I I it comes out in

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Speaker 4: print because Carmel's the best place to live in the

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Speaker 4: state of Indiana. And and and you live it in

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Speaker 4: your public and you're every and it's all out there

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Speaker 4: too well, uh for everyone to see. And I I

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Speaker 4: don't understand it. I wasn't in the room.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: But they've got bigger problems than that, and and make

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Speaker 4: and getting a mudget budget pass and and right now

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Speaker 4: the council and the mayor are as a headline sin

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Speaker 4: are sparring about everything, including uh, including HR.

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Speaker 2: Now, now she's on my list, as I'm sure you're

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Speaker 2: aware of people that are not in favorable standing.

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Speaker 3: You haven't been kind to her.

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Speaker 2: Uh, and she deserves every unkindness that she's gotten from me.

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Speaker 2: So I'm I don't unless these guys got their pictures

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Speaker 2: in a post office somewhere. I'm team these council guys,

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Speaker 2: because anybody can make her life harder. I'm on their team.

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Speaker 2: But this is like, like they're not handing over emails

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Speaker 2: about legal expenses. It's like, what, what is what is

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Speaker 2: going on here? Like this stuff just all seems so funny.

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Speaker 4: My friends in the council, my friend the mayor, stick

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Speaker 4: to the budget, get it done, keep me safe, and

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Speaker 4: and uh and and let's let's have a great community

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Speaker 4: and and uh, just don't get stuck with the small stuff.

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Speaker 4: And that's what you're getting right.

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Speaker 2: And the reason we talk about this at the State

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Speaker 2: House happening show mean that weouldn't try to touch on

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Speaker 2: things that affect the entire state. I think, next to Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: Carmel is the probably the second most important city and

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Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana.

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Speaker 4: I think I think Carmel and Hamlet County as a whole, is,

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Speaker 4: along with Indianapolis, really is the motor for the State

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Speaker 4: of Indiana, and in the regards to income tax that

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Speaker 4: goes into the general fund, and and and uh, it's

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Speaker 4: so imperative that that we have a vibrant Indianapolis and

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Speaker 4: we have a vibran Carmel and for that matter, Fisher's Noblesville,

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Speaker 4: and and uh in.

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Speaker 2: Westfin's going down with all these these mayors though in

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Speaker 2: Hamilton County they're all basically like the same guy. Now

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Speaker 2: they're they're wearing vests, they're building a Soviet block style apartments,

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Speaker 2: like they're going out of style. Like what what happened to?

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Speaker 2: Hamilton County? Used to be such a fine and fine

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Speaker 2: and decent place. Twenty years ago. I worked in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 2: It was other than the trip being a little long

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Speaker 2: and thirty one being a bit of a traffic backup,

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Speaker 2: it was a fine place to be.

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Speaker 3: Thirty seconds. Have you ever been to a rodeo?

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Speaker 4: No, Well, in a rodeo, uh, you're you've got a

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Speaker 4: horse that is bucking and all they're trying to do

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Speaker 4: is is guide that bucking horse and not get thrown off.

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Speaker 4: And these mayors there's the cities are growing, they.

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Speaker 3: Want they're doing the growing gym.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're growing, but they've got popular population growth and

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Speaker 4: and they're trying to keep their schools in great shape.

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Speaker 4: And I mean it's very difficult. I can see it

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Speaker 4: from the outside looking in, and I understand what they're

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Speaker 4: going through. And then you've got the property text issue,

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Speaker 4: and so they're trying to just keep everything moving forward

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Speaker 4: and making sure they're not bucked off.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got all dolled up for this show today, Jim,

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Speaker 2: and it was a pleasure to be here with you.

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Speaker 2: Jim Merritt, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You, thank you.

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Speaker 2: so much for listening as always. For Jim Merritt, I'm

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