WEBVTT - Episode 4651: Tony Katz Today Hour 3 - 08/05/26 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:10.360 Live from Vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.000 It's Tony Katz today. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.720 So what is the obligation of the athlete to say, 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:22.360 well anything when it comes to men and women's sports, 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.840 or what's going on around the world, or what's happening domestically. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.639 Is there some type of obligation? I don't believe that 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.199 there is. What I believe is that if they are 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.479 going to say something, they have to be able to 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:37.839 back it up. But when something is said so normal, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.920 like Sophie Cunningham of the Indiana Fever saying girls sports 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:46.440 are for girls, how could that begin to be political? 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:49.320 And to make it political is part of this idea 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.280 of culture war. And if indeed this is a culture war, 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.480 not having men and women's sports, not having boys and 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.520 girls sports, well I'm fine with that, and it's a 0:00:58.560 --> 0:00:59.360 war we have to win. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.800 That's Tony KATX today. Good to be with you. Jennifer 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.680 Say joins us right now. She is the CEO and 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:06.840 Capo di Tuti coppo. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.640 Over at xx x Y Athletics xx dash x y 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:13.720 athletics dot com you can. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:14.760 Buy all your gear. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.640 There a long history in sports as a national champion 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.600 gymnast and you're traveling around you have become your own 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.480 level of star in this space. Along with selling a 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.800 quality product. You've taken on this culture war head on. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:33.440 But I need to take a step back to make 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.520 sure people understand where you come from, which is this 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.560 world of gymnastics. You were part of the nineteen eighty 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.920 six national team or a part of that group that 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:48.800 won in my beloved Indianapolis, Indiana, and you were one 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.760 of the people who worked with the Indianapolis Star talking 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.640 about the horror show that was the physician Larry Nasser 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.120 who is now in jail for his sexual abuse. Is 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.280 is this what brings you to xxx Y or is 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.240 this what brings you to the idea of if we're 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.440 not front and center on these issues now, we're going 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.960 to deal with massive, dangerous ramifications later. 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.600 That is a great question. Yeah, you're right. I was 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.320 a national team member gymnasts throughout the eighties, eight time 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.640 national team member, eighty six national champion in Indianapolis. I 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.000 was also the first whistleblower about abuse and sports and 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.440 gymnastics in particular. That was two thousand and eight when 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.600 I wrote my first book called Chalk Up. That was 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.560 ten years before Nasser went to prison for life. As 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.359 you might imagine, the US Olympic Committee and the US 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:38.200 Olympic Movement and gymnasts, etc. 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.000 They were not ready for that message. 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.760 I spoke about the national team coach who I traveled 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.919 around the world with in that book being a known pedophile. 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:50.920 That did not go particularly well for me. I was 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.040 pretty much ousted from that community, but I knew I 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.480 needed to say it because I didn't want another little 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.880 girl to go through what I had. And I did 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.720 work with the Indie Star. They did such amazing work 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.240 reporting on, you know, the NASA case, And I think 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.840 what's important to remember about that case is NASA has 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.240 not won bad apple. That sport is rotten. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.840 To the core. He was able to abuse for thirty. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:18.119 Years because the governing body knew and looked the other 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.360 way and actually destroyed evidence. So you know, I've been 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.400 working a heart a long time to try to clean 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.240 that sport up. I believe young athletes deserve to train 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.639 with dignity and safety in striving to achieve their dreams. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.280 So you know, I've been at this for a while 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.040 in terms of trying to protect female athletes. So yes, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.680 they're absolutely related these two issues, and it's why I 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:43.320 care so much about protecting women's sports. That said, I 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.400 also have a kind of separate, long term corporate career 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:49.640 as a brand builder. I worked at Levi's for twenty 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.000 three years. I was a chief marketing officer for eight 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.120 and the brand president for two, and so I know 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.200 how brands can influence the culture. And we lost the 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.240 culture on this one. Slowly but surely. There was a 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.120 long march to steal our language and you know, co 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.760 op the culture with these terrible ideas that men can 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.800 be women if they just say that they are. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:10.960 I want to fight this battle. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:15.160 On cultural grounds, not legal, not political. It's the culture 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.040 we need to win back, and I believe a brand 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.360 can really help do that with our content, with our product. 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.120 You know, I want to make it cool to say 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.680 women men can't become women. I want to make it 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.599 cool to say these totally normal things like women deserve 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.360 their own sports and spaces. So you know, that's why 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.960 we're in this game. But we do make as you mentioned, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.839 you know, hot world class premium athletic gear. You don't 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.240 need to buy some brands that throw women under the bus, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.520 like Nike. You can buy from us, and we're just 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.240 so thrilled to be part of this. And you know 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:52.920 Sophie has Sophie Cunningham has thrown this issue into the 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:53.520 center of. 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.479 Culture wait for I do, but I want to bring 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.360 it back a little bit. Talking to Jennifer. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.400 Say, the CEO, a founder of xx dash x y 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.680 Athletics xx dash x y athletics dot com. You said 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.159 a lot there, including utilizing the term long march, which 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:17.320 I think was very very purposeful in this way. The 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:22.000 abuse of these young girls in regarding gymnastics and the 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.679 Larry Naser story. If you haven't read it, it's horrifying stuff. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.200 You are still making these allegations about US gymnastics today. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.160 Your book Chalks Up, which you can find at Amazon 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:37.400 dot com. You can go get that and read your accounts, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.920 just so we're clear, just so we can put the 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.800 pin on that and then move on. In your view, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.720 that level of abuse, Larry Nasser level of abuse still 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:47.160 going on. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.200 Okay, let me first of all, if you want to 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.360 know about the whole Larry Naunser story, you can watch 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:52.960 athlete A. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:55.000 It's a movie on Netflix that I produced. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:59.599 It's a documentary. It won an Emmy back in twenty twenty. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.400 You the whole story, and it connects his crimes to 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.840 the broader culture of abuse. Do I want to tell 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.960 you that that level of abuse is happening throughout the sport. 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.800 I mean that would be extreme. He abused over five 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.560 hundred athletes over the course of thirty years under the 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.640 guise of medical treatment. But abuse of coaches, and I 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.679 want to just say it's physical, emotional and sexual abuse 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.920 is rampant in the sport of gymnastics. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.520 These are very young girls and they are very vulnerable. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.159 And because it's an individual sport, that one on one 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.560 coaching dynamic is more intense, I think than in a 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:38.120 team sport, and it just invites bad actors. I will 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.040 say that it invites bad actors. Do I think it's 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.880 as bad as it was in the eighties when I trained. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.919 I hope it's better. I don't know. I'm not inside 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.200 the sport. People are aware, parents are aware, safe sport exists, 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.680 there is a mechanism to report abuse. But I will 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.720 tell you this safe sport is backed up for four 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.800 years with reports of abuse. They don't even take reports 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.840 of emotional and physical abuse because they're so backed up 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.599 on sexual abuse claims. So we need to change the 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.640 culture in that sport and in the Olympic movement overall. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.320 And I think we're on the way, but I don't 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:13.200 think it is fixed. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:18.160 Now talking to Jennifer Say, the founder of xxxy Athletics 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.640 xx dash xyathletics dot com, this brings us now into 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.200 the conversation about Sophie Cunningham, who said something, as I've 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.920 said on the show numerous times, very normal girls. Sports 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.320 are for girls. It was so normal. I found it 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.360 to be unremarkable. And I stated at the time and 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.320 I have since then, why anybody would make this political, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.160 Whether you want to laud and glorify her as some 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.920 kind of right wing icon, or whether you want to 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:46.840 go at her an attacker because you're on the. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:51.160 Political left, No part of this makes sense. The rational response. 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.200 Is that girls are not boys, boys are not girls, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.400 and girls sports belong to girls. This has of course 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.720 been seen as somehow we for making that rational points 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.080 are the biggots. You've got the owner of the Seattle 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.400 Storm yelling at two girls in the crowd. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:08.600 You've got the coach. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.160 Of the Minnesota Links wearing a shirt that says protect 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.600 trans kids. You have the coach of the Golden State 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.520 Valkyries who wants to go out there and say sports 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.920 are about belonging as opposed to the highest level of competition. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.520 Why is it that women seem to be very focused 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.240 on not thinking that women deserve to be known as women. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:33.520 Okay, there's a. 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:35.840 Lot in there. I want to back up for one 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.600 store and be clear. Sophie was asked a question in 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.800 an interview that happened back in February. That ESPN interview 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.800 happened months ago. She was directly asked a question. She 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.160 didn't go in there, you know, ready to blow the 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.439 doors off this thing and put herself at the center 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.280 of this controversy. So everybody calling her Maga Barbie and 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.600 all this crazy stuff. It's ridiculous. She answered a question 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.000 in a very simple and pointed way, and she was 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.280 very clear to your point in your opener about what 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.040 she believes, and she said girls. She cares about protecting 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.199 girls sports and spaces. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:12.040 That was it. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:14.880 She put the attention back on the girls when the 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.400 cultural attention has been on the boys who think they 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.920 are girls. Thank you for that, Sophie, I would say 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.760 I agree with you. That was not remarkable. What was 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.480 remarkable was just last week when she was reasked the 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:30.120 question after that ESPN interview was published, and she said, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.000 I said what I said. She did not back it up. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.840 She did not bend any. That was the remarkable part. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:40.360 That was the line in the sand, because a year ago, I'm. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.640 Not sure she would have stood around. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.320 I don't want to speak for Sophie, but i'll just 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.640 tell you every we see it all the time, right, 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:48.200 somebody says something and then they back it up when challenged, 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.439 they bend any. She didn't do it. She stood strong, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.120 her spine is straight. Bless her. She is, you know, 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:56.360 blowing the doors up this thing. So that's the first thing. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.959 And I agree with you this whole like mumbo jump 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:00.640 though from all. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.320 These coaches about inclusivity and sports. It's such hogwash. I 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.559 was a competitive about Sports are about striving and competition 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:13.120 and striving for excellence and yes winning. In professional women's basketball, 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.960 less than one percent of college basketball players make the WNBA. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.599 That's exclusive. Sports are about exclusivity. If you want inclusivity, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.680 go play pickleball at the Rack Center. That's inclusive, not 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:30.000 women's professional basketball. It's so dumb. Sports have all kinds 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.400 of categories. They have age categories, weight classes. In boxing. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.000 No one's saying that heavyweights should be able to box 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.679 against the welterweight. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.800 but clearly they're talking points went out and that's what 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:46.600 they're going with. It's just ridiculous. As far as why 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:47.840 are women are our own. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.160 Worst enemy here, I don't know. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.440 They are the ones the left has made this political. 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.400 We are speaking common sense. Men cannot become women, and 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.040 women deserve their own sports and spaces. It's so simple. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.559 I will say it all day long, over and over again. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.480 Their position makes zero sense. But they are so loyal 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.640 and committed to the Democrat Party talking points that they 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.880 will pronounce themselves more on every day in saying I'm 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.480 not educated enough. One of the coaches said that to 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.880 talk on this issue, they will beclown themselves every day 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.080 to stay loyal to the Democratic Party talking points on this, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:26.080 and it's embarrassing. And every passing day more people abandoned 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.280 that position. Fewer and fewer people are afraid to stand 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.199 up and say, yeah, this is ridiculous, not my daughter's sports. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.360 Let's say that that's true. I certainly hope you're right 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.440 about that, Jennifer. But in the case of the WNBA, 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.400 which has become the hot button point, I mean, this 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.800 is happening in tennis, but tennis has said we don't 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.439 let men in the sport, and there are women in 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.280 tennis saying I agree. It's certainly Martina ne Ratchelova has 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.080 been very outspoken on this subject, and I think, for 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.360 the most part, very very well. But the WNBA has 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.280 a commissioner, Kathy and Breck, who has said nothing. It 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.959 has a coach in the Minnesota Links who wears that 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.120 shirt protect trans kids, who as a coach in the 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:08.120 Golden State Valkyries, who says it's about a belonging and 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.320 look at what they said about me because of my race, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.200 and she brought race into the subject. You have the 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.480 coach of the Indiana Fever, Stephanie White, who wants to 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.400 not just heim and haw about it, act like she 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.880 doesn't know enough about it, engage the idea of I 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.480 need to get more educated. So as a league, the 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:30.280 WNBA has created this problem seemingly for themselves, where they 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.520 have forgotten that the W stands for women. 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.679 What is your messages both said to. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.640 Them, well, I would just tell you the culture is moving. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.720 We have long heard that eighty percent of Americans agree 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.640 on this common sense issue that women's sports are for women. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.840 But the vast majority have been silent. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.679 I know this very well. I hear from them all 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.680 the time. They're afraid to speak out. They're afraid to 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:53.760 lose their job, They're afraid to be called names. They're 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.440 afraid their kids won't have friends at school. But that's changing. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.280 That culture shift. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.000 Is happening in real time. 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.040 What I will tell you is the institutions, they are 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:02.760 far behind. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.720 The mainstream media is far behind. Their headlines don't match 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.160 where the culture is and where the people are. The universities, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:16.240 the institutions, the teams, the leagues like the WNBA, but 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.520 they are so out of touch with real people that. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.320 They are just making a mockery of themselves every day. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.280 But this is why it's going to take a while. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.520 It took ten or fifteen years for us to get 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.160 to this ridiculous place. We're not going to unwind it 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.679 with one WNBA season. But the more people stand up, 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.000 I'll tell you, I was in Minneapolis at the last 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.840 game and against the Links, the fever against the Links. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.840 We had a rally to celebrate Sophie outside the stadium 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.480 and we outnumbered the clowns on the other side by 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.920 at least ten to one. That wouldn't have happened a 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.079 year ago. And in the stadium, you're right about the broadcast. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.000 The coach for the Links wore the T shirt about 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:54.240 trans kids belonging, and there were lots of people in 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:58.079 the stadium that had similar teaes on What was happening 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.920 in the stadium was not reflective of the broadcast ESPN Lockdown, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.280 and they decided to make this a pro trans game. 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.720 The only people they showed in the audience had those 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:07.440 T shirts on. 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.319 I was sitting on the second row on the. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.480 Court with Riley Gaines. We had xxxy T shirts on. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.040 The cameras kept finding us and they would not show 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.800 us in the broadcaster on the jumbo tron. We met 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:23.360 people on in the stadium stopped us as for hugs 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.920 and photos and autographs. They bought us drinks, they bought 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.640 us food, and they thanked us. So the story that 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.000 ESPN wants to tell is not the story of what 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.000 was happening on the ground. So this is the last 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.760 gasp of a dying movement and the institutions that are 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.320 so out of touch with people. But they're going to lose. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.640 They're going to lose this battle because we're right and 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:45.880 we're speaking the truth and we're standing up for girls. 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.360 And you're you're I mean, I'm going to call it 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.760 a tour, but you're hitting more of these WNB games. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.400 You're coming to my beloved Indianapolis to see the fever. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.240 I'm only hoping were able to grab a cigar when 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:00.080 you're here. But is this about putting more pressure on well, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.920 on them? Is this about bringing more light? Is this 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.400 just marketing for xxtash xy athletics dot com. 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.960 This is about celebrating Sophie and celebrating Honillie Wilson, the 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.880 young girl who was at the Seattle game who got 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:16.080 spit on and screened at by the co owner of 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.160 the Seattle Storm. This is about letting them know that 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.400 they have support for those of us that have been 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.920 apt as a while, it has felt very lonely. You 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.880 would not believe, you probably would believe the harassment and 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:29.600 threats that we receive every single day. And I want 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:34.200 Sophie's obviously getting no support from the league, from her teammates. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.440 I want her to know that she's supported. We go 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.840 in peace and we go in love. We bring balloons, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.480 we give out T shirts, we have fun. We get 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.000 shouted down by insane lunatics who call us terrible, terrible names, 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.080 which I won't mention because you can't say them on 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.600 the radio. We just want her to know she's supported. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.040 That's really, that's it, and we want people to know 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.320 it's normal to support her and to say women's sports 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:56.960 are for women. 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.000 I'm not one hundred cent sure we're all her teammates are. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.640 I don't necessarily need them to make a statement every 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:07.360 which way but loose. But your support is something that 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.840 is seen very very clearly. Jennifer say s e y 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.920 is how you expel that xx dash x y Athletics 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.040 dot com. I look forward to seeing you when you 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.480 are in Indianapolis. I appreciate taking the time to be 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.400 with the show more to get to keep it here. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.840 I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.640 I want you to remind him that if we come 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:40.680 through this, when we come through this now, I would 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:45.160 all taking seventy million dollars on the chain and kept 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:45.720 fighting back. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.120 Well, it's good to know that the winner of the 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:53.840 Democrat primary for Senate is very very comfortable with the 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.480 kind of expressions that lead you to believe, yeah, is 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:03.040 lomist Tony Katz today, good to be here, Good to. 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:04.000 Be with you. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.639 That was Abdua. I'll say it, who won the primary. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:16.760 Very very very tight primary by the way, much tighter 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.000 than the polls showed. Shows a very divided Democrat party 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.040 in Michigan. And I love how I think it was, 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.240 NBC News, a big win for the left. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:29.600 What are you talking about? 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.639 You mean it's a big win for the communists. A 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.640 Democrat was gonna win the seat. They just didn't give 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.800 it to Haley Stevens that they gave it to the 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.480 guy who wants to connect themselves to being an Islamist. 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.920 Claims to be a capitalist but wants universal health care, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.240 claims me anti monopoly, but only wants government to be able. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:47.920 To provide healthcare. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:53.600 Good lord, never mind all the people connected to I'll 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.359 say it like Hassan Piker. So when I say Islamist, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.160 when I will say people who want to do away 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.480 with Cypholis, they I have got the backup to it. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.560 This is not where the left wants to be. The Democrats, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.400 to the extent that there are so Democrats and they're 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.600 not all communists, know that this is bad for them. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:19.040 You have a split, a really split Democrat party. Now 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.760 when you take a look at Michigan, when you take 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.040 a look at the results, the. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:25.360 Answer is now what. 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.760 Alsayd wins with a forty eight point five percent of 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.359 the vote. Stevens got forty seven point five percent of 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:39.359 the vote. The difference is fifteen thousand votes. Actually just 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.920 under fourteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty eight votes. That's 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:48.840 the difference fourteen thousand, nine hundred and eighty eight. That's 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:55.600 bad news for the Democrats because you need those Democrats 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.400 to go out there and beat. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.440 Mike Rogers. The report Republican. 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.760 Now, all those people who voted for Stevens, they're just 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.760 gonna hold their nose and vote for else. I ed 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.280 some yes, because Trump's so bad you have to meet 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.080 the Republicans. Oh my gosh, it doesn't matter for some. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.160 They can't stomach him. They're not gonna stomach this America hater. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.760 They're not gonna stomach this anti semi They're not gonna 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:22.600 stomach it at all. 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.840 They're gonna listen to all that APAC talk and say. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.480 This is all stupid talk, because it is all the 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:33.080 anti APAC talk is ridiculous talk. But be clear, this 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.960 is a result that creates huge issues for the left 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.720 in Michigan in the Senate race for the general election. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:45.600 Keep it here, it's Tony Katz today. There were a 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:47.360 couple of stories I didn't get a chance to get 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:48.359 to this week already. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:50.600 I mean it's been a massive, massive newsweek. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.320 And one of them was about James tall Rico, James 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.600 Talafrico as they call him, which I thought that was 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.480 just somebody saying something once on social media. That's a 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.639 regular thing. He's an odd guy. Tony Katz, Tony kats today, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.320 good to be with you. This is the Democrat running 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:12.480 for Senate in Texas. He's basically better O'Rourke, but without 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:17.639 all the testosterone. He is the guy who talks about 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.040 vegan this and vegan that, and then when he wins 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.359 the nomination, it's pictures of him eating ribs and you're like, 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.680 this is we see you. You know we've been through 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.600 all this political nonsense before. We know when someone's full 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.840 of crap. If you don't eat meat, you don't need me. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.080 And if you don't like brisket, don't eat brisket. Don't 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.280 lie about who you are. It's the last thing in 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:38.080 the world. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:38.320 You should do. 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:47.520 But his HiT's his conversations on Christianity that. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:54.400 Are so peculiar, that are so I. 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:59.160 Don't know, I don't not peculiar, not offensive, questionable, Can 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:05.600 I say question Because he promotes himself as a a 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:08.919 guy who is Christian and and I think there's a 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.560 there's a specific term for the kind of things that 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.719 he has done from the pulpit. I would call it 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:24.040