Speaker 1: The France per Second Podcast. Welcome to the France for
Speaker 1: a Second podcast. I am Spike Lou and today we
Speaker 1: are reviewing History of Violence. Here today with me, I
Speaker 1: have Kim Hello. Next to Kin, I have Rode, and
Speaker 1: across from Rod, I have Mike Yo. All right, So
Speaker 1: we're doing the History of Violence today, guys. History of
Speaker 1: Violence is a two thousand and five film directed by
Speaker 1: David Kronberg. Layer film works in both lean thriller and
Speaker 1: deep psychological stuff. So the History of Violence is a
Speaker 1: anniversary film that we're doing. It dropped in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five and this is the twenty year anniversary of it.
Speaker 1: I will go around the room here. What did you
Speaker 1: think about the movie when it came out and what
Speaker 1: did you think about the rewatch?
Speaker 2: Mike A one of both.
Speaker 3: I love this movie.
Speaker 4: I haven't watched it a bunch of times, but nah,
Speaker 4: it's I think it's great.
Speaker 5: Yep, Roy, I will say you, yeah, I thought I
Speaker 5: saw this movie all the way through, but apparently I didn't.
Speaker 3: I was thinking it was a different movie.
Speaker 5: I can't remember what movie that is, but I thought
Speaker 5: it was a different movie. So I remember some scenes
Speaker 5: but I didn't remember. But when I started watching, I
Speaker 5: was like, wait, I don't think I remember this watching
Speaker 5: this whole thing. But no, I thought it was good.
Speaker 5: I thought it was good, Ken, What do you think?
Speaker 2: I was bored out of my mouth.
Speaker 3: Both times.
Speaker 1: Well, this is my first time watching it, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to understand the hype.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get I think the story's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I guess for two thousand and five, you know,
Speaker 1: mob killer or whatever and some self imposed witness protection.
Speaker 2: But it was just and I don't know, it was
Speaker 2: just like, all right, this is cool.
Speaker 3: It did feel pretty basic.
Speaker 5: I can't say I thought it was I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah it did.
Speaker 5: It did like a pretty basic story, but I thought
Speaker 5: it was still done pretty well though, Like why you
Speaker 5: look like that?
Speaker 2: No, I'll say, so you saying that you was born
Speaker 2: out of your mind?
Speaker 3: Kid?
Speaker 2: Did you know the premise of it before you?
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the movie, Spike, I went
Speaker 1: in blind. So did you think what did you suspect
Speaker 1: there being something going on as far as him living
Speaker 1: like a double life or having a previous life.
Speaker 2: Only only.
Speaker 1: When he killed the other two people. That's because he
Speaker 1: did that shit too easy. But prior to that, not
Speaker 1: like it, like, I don't know, I'm definitely going to
Speaker 1: go into it, but I know that when it started
Speaker 1: off like the way they set it up in the beginning, Bro,
Speaker 1: I had to rewind that ship back. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, that's what happened because I did not see
Speaker 1: that ship come when he went back into the hotel
Speaker 1: and all the motherfuckers were dead, because they made it
Speaker 1: seem like they were just checking out.
Speaker 3: What I think that, bro, that ship was that shit
Speaker 3: was dope.
Speaker 5: What do you think was happening, Bron? I thought, that's
Speaker 5: exactly what was happening. Yeah, what did the man? He's like,
Speaker 5: what took you so long?
Speaker 3: Or something like that. It was something about the way
Speaker 3: he said he said with the man. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 3: was like, okay.
Speaker 5: He killed him or whatever. Yeah, when that one when
Speaker 5: he said.
Speaker 1: That, he thought that originally like just being sketchy as fu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they looked like gangsters watched.
Speaker 2: I didn't from there.
Speaker 1: Well, what we're talking about is it open the scene
Speaker 1: with the two drifters they leave them hotel, we see
Speaker 1: a woman and the girl dead off screen, and that
Speaker 1: kind of says the tone for the movie.
Speaker 3: And you said that I was gonna say, I just.
Speaker 5: Love the way they shot this with the pants and
Speaker 5: then the zooms out and they kept they kept the
Speaker 5: camera just one shot, not not not like one shot scene,
Speaker 5: but like they kept the camera in the same spot
Speaker 5: and they just panned it and moved it.
Speaker 3: And I thought that was a really really dope way
Speaker 3: of telling the story.
Speaker 1: Then the thought about in a particular scene throughout the movie,
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 5: Particular scene, they did it a couple of times, but
Speaker 5: I definitely noticed to hear what They pulled away from
Speaker 5: the hotel, panned over and they kept the camera on
Speaker 5: the opposite side of the car, and you see them
Speaker 5: conversing right there. It don't cut to him, cut to him.
Speaker 5: It's just one shot and they panting it over and
Speaker 5: he just moved the car up a little and then
Speaker 5: you see him come out the door. I thought that
Speaker 5: was really dope.
Speaker 2: The way they executed it was it was it was creepy.
Speaker 3: Creepy. Yeah, yeah, it made That's what I think it was.
Speaker 3: It did make it feel creepy.
Speaker 1: Why do y'all think that they started with violence before
Speaker 1: we got to the even into who any of the
Speaker 1: characters were, Mike, since you looking.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 4: This goes to y'all hurting my soul saying this is
Speaker 4: a simple ass story. Actually, you know what, let them answer.
Speaker 4: They don't try to steal my hands.
Speaker 1: kN being the first one, first time, rod Rod, why
Speaker 1: did you think.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm trying to get somebody to take the baby?
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 1: So my question, Ron, why do you think they started
Speaker 1: with their violence and all the descriptions stuff you said
Speaker 1: before we even meet any characters.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, just to kind of set up Yeah, like,
Speaker 5: what what are we dealing with? They have to set
Speaker 5: that up somewhere even even I think what really set
Speaker 5: that off was them killing the little girl or whatnot,
Speaker 5: them killing you know, the staff and all that, because
Speaker 5: they are gangsters and they trying to bounce from town
Speaker 5: to town.
Speaker 3: That was that was I felt like that was pretty basic.
Speaker 5: But when they but when they did, when he shot
Speaker 5: the little girl, I was like, whoa, Okay, this is another.
Speaker 3: Level of killer, another level of what's the word I'm
Speaker 3: looking for with somebody? Just don't psychopaths. I don't even
Speaker 3: say psychopaths something like that, but I don't know. It
Speaker 3: just showed another level of killer.
Speaker 1: So we really killed a little girl?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, what you thought he missed.
Speaker 2: Real, we didn't see we didn't see the body.
Speaker 5: We heard the body, he said, and the other the
Speaker 5: other scene was an image cut.
Speaker 3: So she cuts to the other girl screaming from a
Speaker 3: bad dream.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that implies that that's what happened.
Speaker 1: For a second, I thought, uh uh, that little girl
Speaker 1: was like she was just having a nightmare, and that
Speaker 1: Tom Stalls was one of the other guys.
Speaker 3: Girl didn't look nothing like that little girl was like
Speaker 3: Mexican or some ship.
Speaker 1: It's not something's wrong with her, that something's wrong with Mike.
Speaker 1: What's your answer? My answer is this movie.
Speaker 4: If you just look at the damn title of the film,
Speaker 4: this is not a simple story, y'all.
Speaker 3: It's really not a wait.
Speaker 1: Hold on time. I'm sorry, what do you think about
Speaker 1: this damn movie? Because you never said, oh you didn't.
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 2: I was hosting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I liked it when it first came out,
Speaker 1: but I was bored, like he in the second time around,
Speaker 1: when she I feel like, once you know, it's sort
Speaker 1: of like the usual suspects in the sense of once
Speaker 1: I know what's going on. I kind of thought about
Speaker 1: it in the beginning. Excuse me, the first time watch
Speaker 1: kind of thought maybe it could be this, maybe it
Speaker 1: could be there, but knowing how it's going to end.
Speaker 1: On the second watch, it didn't resonate as much for me.
Speaker 1: But I loved it the first time it came up,
Speaker 1: and when I first watched it.
Speaker 4: I guess I feel that this is not a movie
Speaker 4: that's like, oh, now, it's not I've probably seen it
Speaker 4: maybe a handful of times, but every time it's enjoyable.
Speaker 3: But I think the fact that it's called a.
Speaker 4: History of Violence and we're watching the violence and how
Speaker 4: it affects different people throughout the film, and we'll get
Speaker 4: to some of the stuff later, some of the symbolism.
Speaker 4: I really disagree that this is a simple movie. I
Speaker 4: think it's a pretty in depth movie. And Cronenberg did
Speaker 4: such an interesting thing with how he broke this down
Speaker 4: and how he made violence effect everybody differently. But starting
Speaker 4: off with violence, it makes sense because that is kind
Speaker 4: of what leads us into the story of these other
Speaker 4: people and what they're going through and how they're processing thing.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought I thought it kicked off pretty
Speaker 4: fucking well, like you know when you shoot the little girls, like, oh,
Speaker 4: this movie's out about no bullshit.
Speaker 2: That makes sense, So you say, meet other people.
Speaker 1: From there, we go to the small town life living
Speaker 1: of Tom Stall, his wife Edie, and his kids, Jack
Speaker 1: and Sarah. Tom runs a diron. Jack is being bullied
Speaker 1: at school. We just get an insight into what's going on.
Speaker 1: It seems like the ideal suburban family. Did you suspect
Speaker 1: anything else from this, right?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I knew it had to be something at some point,
Speaker 5: but I mean, they don't. They don't set it up
Speaker 5: to where you was suspect anything. They set it up
Speaker 5: for you to just take it their face value. That's
Speaker 5: what it is. And we we are to assume that
Speaker 5: these these guys are gonna come and disrupt this time
Speaker 5: as well, so but we don't know exactly how that's
Speaker 5: gonna play out. So then they also introduced, like you said,
Speaker 5: the bully to it or whatnot, And you know, I
Speaker 5: don't I don't know if that led down a certain path,
Speaker 5: but that did make me what I what I want
Speaker 5: to what I want to bring up a little later.
Speaker 5: I want about the bullying situation, because I did think
Speaker 5: it's it's the whole whole family playing stupid. Like at
Speaker 5: some point, I'm like all these motherfucker's violent and we
Speaker 5: just you know, everybody's just playing nice.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it did make me think that for a while.
Speaker 2: I feel like we've seen it was a little bit
Speaker 2: more than meets the eye.
Speaker 1: When they were doing a role play with the chi
Speaker 1: leader of the dad, I mean, my mom was acting
Speaker 1: like a chileader.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just felt like they weren't as innocent as
Speaker 1: they seem. I wasn't judging them. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: king chaming at all. I'm not shaming. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it seems like it was more than meats toy. Based
Speaker 1: off that, I actually thought that they seemed vanilla. They
Speaker 1: seemed like missionary sex people, like, not like role play people.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, So I actually thought that was
Speaker 1: dope because I thought, for whatever reason, that they were
Speaker 1: like like high school sweethearts or something, and that something
Speaker 1: happened and they didn't really get a chance to like
Speaker 1: or maybe they something like that, and that's why they
Speaker 1: were kind of role playing to have that that, you know,
Speaker 1: that moment that they didn't have, you know, in the past.
Speaker 1: Because I didn't know he was he was, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about him. You know, I thought
Speaker 1: the thing with the kid was was interesting because I
Speaker 1: love the way he kind of de escalated the whole situation.
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, yeah, you know, you're a
Speaker 1: man in the in the situation, or you should establish
Speaker 1: your alpha status and you know, you get this. You
Speaker 1: did that, and I was like, damn, that shit was
Speaker 1: dope as fuck. And he just left the kid that
Speaker 1: looking stupid, So that shit was. That shit was dope
Speaker 1: as fuck. But yeah, yeah, so you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's your stereotypical introduction to the family. Rod. I
Speaker 1: was thinking that those guys were gonna come to this
Speaker 1: diner and take over the diner and it was going
Speaker 1: to be a hostile situation the rest of the movie.
Speaker 1: So at this point, this.
Speaker 2: Is what I'm thinking, So we can continue, we.
Speaker 3: Will you have some move? That's what we moved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about the whole did you have some move? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I thought that was a really really, really really important part.
Speaker 4: They were they were defining the family and when you
Speaker 4: were talking about oh, it was like they were just
Speaker 4: some some freaks.
Speaker 1: And I thought that I didn't say it, don't don't
Speaker 1: put that on I just said it was Yeah, I
Speaker 1: never said anything but.
Speaker 3: Imbliged you think they freeze.
Speaker 4: But I think that this I thought this was a
Speaker 4: bit on the nose. So you didn't take anything from
Speaker 4: them ending that sex scene with sixty nine.
Speaker 2: No, what would you feel?
Speaker 3: I was like, seen nobody do that in the movie.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. But if you really think about it,
Speaker 4: what is sixty nine. It's like the and the way
Speaker 4: that they were doing it. They were doing it from
Speaker 4: side to side, so it's like the perfect balance, right,
Speaker 4: like there was nobody that was in control. I think
Speaker 4: that that was them trying to establish like this is
Speaker 4: the perfectly balanced family. The little girl starts crying, they
Speaker 4: run in and they're all helping. When the dad and
Speaker 4: the mom fuck, they.
Speaker 5: Are turning side to side and they're both pleasing each
Speaker 5: other because they are in an equal relationship.
Speaker 3: I actually thought it was a little corny.
Speaker 2: What you got all that from that?
Speaker 4: Yes, because again I don't think this is a simple story.
Speaker 4: I think that, having watched Cronenberg films, if you watch
Speaker 4: something and you say, dang, I ain't seen six' nine
Speaker 4: in the movie in.
Speaker 5: A, minute then you have to, think why is that?
Speaker 5: Here and why did they end the scene with that.
Speaker 1: PART i thought he was just you, KNOW i thought
Speaker 1: he was, just you, know you just want to do something,
Speaker 1: different you.
Speaker 3: Know and well she wanted she didn't want to initiated.
Speaker 4: It, yeah we'll get more into this, later but, YES
Speaker 4: i think that there was a very specific reason that
Speaker 4: they did.
Speaker 2: That interesting because sex is a part of this.
Speaker 4: Movie it's a very important part of this.
Speaker 2: Movie mm, hm, damn.
Speaker 3: What the hell WAS i? Watching are you sure you watched?
Speaker 3: It what did you? WANT i got other parts of
Speaker 3: the sets BECAUSE i missed.
Speaker 1: That but we go from there to What mike was
Speaker 1: getting into and we Meet tom excuse, me the two
Speaker 1: drifters to go to rob the, Diner like kid was,
Speaker 1: Saying tom quickly kills both of, them way more skill
Speaker 1: set than people would have thought a small town random
Speaker 1: man would have. Had first time looking at, it you
Speaker 1: said you thought it was gonna turn into a hot.
Speaker 3: Situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah when they walked, in kidnapped the, woman you, know
Speaker 1: and then he cracked the guys out, there pop hop
Speaker 1: out shot the other. GUY i was, Like, oh this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Military but that's WHAT i was going to ask. You
Speaker 1: once you've seen. Him he was too, comfortable like it
Speaker 1: was too, easy you, know BECAUSE i was, Like.
Speaker 3: Dad COULD i do something like?
Speaker 2: That you, know but he just he looked.
Speaker 1: Unbothered when he, Did i'm, like wait a, minute so that's,
Speaker 1: it BECAUSE i thought they were about to wreck havoc
Speaker 1: and then it was just, over.
Speaker 2: Like, nah Y'ALL e meant the right one?
Speaker 1: Today if, so then at this Point i'm, like, okay,
Speaker 1: well all, right so maybe they were not doing. ANYTHING i, said,
Speaker 1: okay so maybe they were part of a, family especially
Speaker 1: when the car came, up and you, know some The
Speaker 1: mob family is gonna come to the city and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be fighting off The mobs family for the rest of.
Speaker 5: The movie in the. City that's WHAT i was, Thinking,
Speaker 5: Bike and none of that shit. Happened what was you?
Speaker 5: THINKING i thought it happened like everything escalated pretty. Quickly,
Speaker 5: ACTUALLY i didn't think they was gonna set it off that,
Speaker 5: Fast LIKE i thought it was gonna take some. TIME
Speaker 5: i didn't think it was gonna be a hot. SITUATION
Speaker 5: i just thought it was gonna take a little bit
Speaker 5: more time to. Escalate but it happened fairly.
Speaker 3: Quick he. Did, yeah so so, yeah.
Speaker 5: But seeing him do all the you, know the coffee pot,
Speaker 5: stuff you, know taking the, pistol shooting one all.
Speaker 3: THAT i was, like, YEAH i was thinking to like
Speaker 3: military or something like. That he might have been.
Speaker 1: The the thing is like it happened, quick and then
Speaker 1: it was just like a bunch of movie after.
Speaker 3: That what do you mean a bunch of movie after?
Speaker 5: That that's when it's like we had some action in my,
Speaker 5: right and then it just kind of slowed down all
Speaker 5: the way till we.
Speaker 1: Get to when he met his Brother. Richie it's just
Speaker 1: like you live in a. Town if you lived in
Speaker 1: a town like this and you see what's what's his, Name, Tom,
Speaker 1: tom Regular tom from the diner get down like, this
Speaker 1: are you immediately thinking out something?
Speaker 2: Up you think he just know how to defend.
Speaker 3: HIMSELF i don't think he did anything that was that.
Speaker 4: Crazy maybe it was the budget that they couldn't hire
Speaker 4: like a good ass stump man to do some crazy.
Speaker 4: Shit but him bopping that dude in the face with
Speaker 4: the with the coffee pot and then jumping over the,
Speaker 4: Counter i'm, like, Okay i'm. There but then he got
Speaker 4: the gun and he shot the one dude and he
Speaker 4: got stabbed in the foot and he shot the other.
Speaker 3: Guy like you didn't do nothing, special but.
Speaker 2: It seems like.
Speaker 1: INSTINCT i think most people were coward in those, situations
Speaker 1: just because y'all.
Speaker 4: Some holes of MEAN i.
Speaker 1: Am but he did somebodybody come in The vegan restaurant
Speaker 1: ready to? Rob yeah you're talking about, like well he
Speaker 1: did it be in my?
Speaker 3: Head, yeah BUT i don't know if BECAUSE i didn't
Speaker 3: act it.
Speaker 5: OUT i told him at one, TIME i got the
Speaker 5: same thing happened in The Papa, Giants LIKE i was
Speaker 5: in The Papa giants.
Speaker 2: And somebody in my head somebody came and.
Speaker 3: Robbed, yeah that came with guns.
Speaker 2: BLAZING i wouldn't need guns blazing with.
Speaker 3: Two guys the same.
Speaker 5: Thing, yeah two guys guns blazing And i'm, like not,
Speaker 5: blazing but guns pointed and and, yeah in my, Mind.
Speaker 3: I'm, like, MAN i can probably take this. Motherfucker you
Speaker 3: know What i'm.
Speaker 5: Saying i'm, Like i'm looking around thinking about. IT i
Speaker 5: can throw it something at, him BUT i did.
Speaker 1: Not yeah that's.
Speaker 5: Why so that's what jumped. In so it's something like that.
Speaker 5: HAPPENED i could maybe didn't see myself jumping in at that.
Speaker 5: Point you, know if if you, know if somebody tried
Speaker 5: to take, him try about to kill a, woman if
Speaker 5: it was Like megan or Like sophie sitting.
Speaker 3: There, yeah, yeah he's, like Well i'm Gonna i'm gonna shoot, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah your kick, definitely.
Speaker 5: Because i'm already thinking, it which he was already thinking it,
Speaker 5: too like what he wanted to.
Speaker 3: Do you can kind of see him processing because he.
Speaker 5: Flinched at him and then pointed a gun at, him
Speaker 5: like because he was gonna do something.
Speaker 3: Tight it actually had to all, right, fuck it's fight
Speaker 3: a flight.
Speaker 1: Now, well let me ask you, This. Mike did he
Speaker 1: recognize these? Motherfuckers of course he.
Speaker 5: Did of course he. Did he's the one THAT i didn't. Think, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: no the first two. Guys, no HE i don't know
Speaker 5: if he, KNEW i don't, Know.
Speaker 1: And that's why he did what he, did because he
Speaker 1: knew that they were.
Speaker 4: Killing, YEAH i don't. Know he he definitely the. TROUBLE
Speaker 4: i don't know if he knew that they were.
Speaker 2: From the from the.
Speaker 3: WHATEVER i never thought about.
Speaker 2: IT i always thought that he.
Speaker 3: Recognized, no you're probably, right.
Speaker 1: YEAH i always thought that it was, like oh, shit
Speaker 1: LIKE i hope they don't recognize me or some shit like.
Speaker 4: That but either, way even if he didn't recognize, them
Speaker 4: the dude, said, no actually he must have Recognized.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking About Foggerty, spike not the guy with the,
Speaker 1: eye about the guys that. Crew, yeah the guys that
Speaker 1: came in The. Diamond, YEAH i thought he knew recognized
Speaker 1: who they would like. THAT i think then it't paying
Speaker 1: to him giving a little look or something. LIKE i
Speaker 1: thound that he looked at. It and that's WHAT i
Speaker 1: did like about this. Movie the first time he seen
Speaker 1: it was something biggieous in the sense of is he
Speaker 1: do he? LIKE i couldn't tell at, first but then second, watch.
Speaker 4: You, KNOW i think even if he didn't recognize, HIM
Speaker 4: i think the man he, was the fact that the
Speaker 4: dudes that all right offer kill, HER i think he
Speaker 4: would have don't had. To BUT i think those guys
Speaker 4: must have recognized, him because why were they just so
Speaker 4: bent on like we're gonna kill?
Speaker 1: Her, NO i thought they were as the movie went,
Speaker 1: ON i thought they were actually looking for.
Speaker 4: Him, Yes SO i think that they must have knew
Speaker 4: who he, was which means he must know who they,
Speaker 4: were because there was no reason for them to kill that, woman,
Speaker 4: right but he was, like go ahead and do it,
Speaker 4: offer and that's what he jumped.
Speaker 1: In, WELL i, thought, well the reason WHY i thought
Speaker 1: that part made sense is because if you're gonna kill
Speaker 1: the damn little, girl then that part kind of helped
Speaker 1: explain that these guys don't give a fuck about, anything
Speaker 1: so they're willing to kill a little. Girl they'll kill,
Speaker 1: anybody so they don't have any. Remorse but you, know
Speaker 1: as it went, ON i thought that AS i got
Speaker 1: more moving and explaining what was going, ON i thought
Speaker 1: That richie sent they found out where he. Was richie
Speaker 1: sent them to the town to either verify to go get,
Speaker 1: him and he recognized them as people from the, crew the,
Speaker 1: crew and.
Speaker 2: Once they didn't come, back he, comes.
Speaker 1: No, no, no and that's probably why he reacted to
Speaker 1: kill them in the way that he. Did SO i don't. Know,
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm adding a lot of this is my first time,
Speaker 1: watching And i'm just trying to get some insight from
Speaker 1: those that. Have so you mentioned you Mentioned Carl. Father
Speaker 1: he came to town as a scarred. Mobster he arrives
Speaker 1: in town and he, says you know, What tom is
Speaker 1: not who he Say he is not your local. Hero
Speaker 1: this Is Joey, cusack Former philly. Gangster of Course tom denies,
Speaker 1: this and my question to the crew is what Was
Speaker 1: tom convincing in his denial of Being?
Speaker 5: Cusack he, Was i'm gonna say he definitely, was but
Speaker 5: he could definitely tell he. Was he was nervous because
Speaker 5: he kept checking all the news clippings and, stuff and he's, Like,
Speaker 5: okay why is he concerned about, him you, know his
Speaker 5: face being out there or.
Speaker 3: Whatnot BUT i didn't think about.
Speaker 5: That, Afterwards i'm, Like, okay that's why he was like
Speaker 5: that when he was watching the news and all. That
Speaker 5: but you, know he was definitely convincing THAT i don't
Speaker 5: know what you talking. About i'm just a nigga on the,
Speaker 5: diner you know What i'm. Saying so, YEAH i was convinced, that,
Speaker 5: man these dudes they got the wrong.
Speaker 3: Guy what'd you?
Speaker 2: Think first time watching ause.
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 1: Guy david did a good job BECAUSE i thought he
Speaker 1: was just a hero and that's why he was watching the.
Speaker 1: DUDES i don't think that he was thinking about, like,
Speaker 1: damn did somebody recognize? ME i think that's why it's so.
Speaker 1: Complex and while he shot shunned away from being a.
Speaker 3: Hero up To mike's, point.
Speaker 1: That's why this movie is so complex and not really,
Speaker 1: simple because you. Can't the guy that Played tom did
Speaker 1: a really good job of just being ambiguous and HE
Speaker 1: i was, Like, Ron i'm looking at him like he
Speaker 1: got something he, had BUT i don't got no.
Speaker 2: PROOF i just know you had.
Speaker 1: THERE i didn't think he was hotting anything Until foggerty showed.
Speaker 1: Up even at that point in this, movie he was
Speaker 1: a hero. Everybody he was on the news, everywhere and
Speaker 1: he was just kind of keeping up with it because
Speaker 1: that's what they're talking, about and he was just a
Speaker 1: big star in the.
Speaker 5: CITY i didn't even think about the fact that He, Yes,
Speaker 5: mike what say you did?
Speaker 1: That this whole, situation wh he's coming to the, town
Speaker 1: he's excusing you of being someone? Else how did He
Speaker 1: his response, said did you think it was? Ambiguous or
Speaker 1: do you think he was? There it was telltale signs
Speaker 1: that he. Is dude thought he was the first TIME
Speaker 1: i watched. IT i definitely did not think that he
Speaker 1: was anybody. ELSE i was, LIKE i don't, KNOW i
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening.
Speaker 4: HERE i don't know what's going. On they're not giving
Speaker 4: us any kind of explanation or. EXPOSITION i had no,
Speaker 4: idea had no. Idea what rewatching it now and again
Speaker 4: judging on the, budget AND i think that that first
Speaker 4: scene was maybe supposed to be like some super badass.
Speaker 3: Shit so maybe Now i'm just.
Speaker 4: Like, okay they're kind of giving it away that he.
Speaker 4: Is you, know he's definitely somebody.
Speaker 1: Else speaking of giving it, away we moved to the
Speaker 1: escalation in school and we see the bully picked back.
Speaker 2: Up it ain't going.
Speaker 1: Away we thought it was gonna go this time, around,
Speaker 1: though and you see his son beat the living shit
Speaker 1: out a. Dude at that, point me, Myself i'm, thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah dude got something else going. On he may Be
Speaker 1: john cusaid because this is in his. Genes he ain't
Speaker 1: the type to get bullied. Around he just didn't know
Speaker 1: it was. Dad and it finally came out of ken
Speaker 1: first time seeing. This did you put that? Together this
Speaker 1: was a? Trade what did you think he just went
Speaker 1: off with his daddy told him to. Do, NO i
Speaker 1: did put it.
Speaker 2: Together it was a.
Speaker 1: TRADE i looked at it as like he saw that
Speaker 1: his dad was able to do, it SO i can
Speaker 1: do it, too and that he was just trying to
Speaker 1: emulate what his dad was did it Like i'm gonna
Speaker 1: stand up to, bullies so and he came up with
Speaker 1: a way to take them both down and that's what he.
Speaker 1: Did SO i think he just had a little bit
Speaker 1: more confidence in himself because he showed no signs of
Speaker 1: being able to fight or do any of that.
Speaker 2: Shit was this nature or? Nurture?
Speaker 3: Bro what do you THINK i think could have went either?
Speaker 3: Way that's WHAT i was.
Speaker 5: Saying it was a little. Confusing it's, like, well, damn
Speaker 5: like it is the family in on this whole. Ship
Speaker 5: but because even the way he was explaining, it he's, like,
Speaker 5: man you could have killed him or something like.
Speaker 3: That he's, like, yeah you, KNOW i took a light on,
Speaker 3: Him like you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: SAYING i didn't want to reveal THAT i.
Speaker 3: Had that's how he kind of made it.
Speaker 5: Seem but, nah once we realized like they didn't know
Speaker 5: who he was, Either SO i was, like.
Speaker 2: Okay what say, you, like did you what do you
Speaker 2: think they would try to?
Speaker 5: Say, NO i think that this implies WHAT i was saying,
Speaker 5: earlier that this is more of a complex.
Speaker 4: STORY i think they were showing how violence uh impacts certain,
Speaker 4: people and the son realizing that his dad was able
Speaker 4: to get out of a situation through, violence he saw
Speaker 4: that as being his way out.
Speaker 3: Too. Now as far as why he was able to
Speaker 3: beat that, ass, yeah it could be.
Speaker 4: Jeans it could be that he was, just you, know
Speaker 4: predisposed to having that type of fight or flight in
Speaker 4: him once he realized.
Speaker 3: It but, yeah he beat both of their.
Speaker 1: Asses do you think he wanted to fight him because
Speaker 1: it looked like he was trying to walk away to
Speaker 1: until the other kid came.
Speaker 4: Up he was trying to walk, away but you can
Speaker 4: also tell that he was struggling with, it like part
Speaker 4: of him wanted to. Fight And i've been in this,
Speaker 4: situation this exact, situation you, know especially you, know BECAUSE
Speaker 4: i told you, before you, know WHEN i was bullying
Speaker 4: in high, SCHOOL i had to use with because that's
Speaker 4: ALL i, had you, KNOW i had to make a
Speaker 4: motherfucker feel real, stupid and they left me. ALONE i
Speaker 4: never got to the point where had to beat up
Speaker 4: two people at the same. Time but you could tell
Speaker 4: that he was struggling with, that and then he's wrestling
Speaker 4: with the fact, that LIKE i want to fucking hurt.
Speaker 4: YOU i want to hurt. You and then it just it.
Speaker 1: Clicked it was just funny that the parents of that
Speaker 1: kid became victims of the kid became a victim.
Speaker 2: Away, oh we're gonna have to sue, now and blah blah.
Speaker 1: Blah he had been with me this whole, time and
Speaker 1: nobody came to my, rescue nobody ateing.
Speaker 2: Me and now THAT i do, this Now i'm the
Speaker 2: bad guy.
Speaker 3: And you gotta look at.
Speaker 4: It also is he probably would have left it alone
Speaker 4: if that girl wasn't. There he might have actually walked.
Speaker 4: AWAY i, MEAN i, know the other dude kind of
Speaker 4: like stopped him or. Whatever but that girl being, THERE
Speaker 4: i think added to. It so there was like a
Speaker 4: parallel between him and his. Dad when his dad was
Speaker 4: in the, diner it was that girl being there and
Speaker 4: almost getting killed that made him fucking pop. Off in this,
Speaker 4: situation it's that girl being there looking, on being like
Speaker 4: leg that.
Speaker 3: Made him pop. Off so, YEAH i think.
Speaker 4: This is a pretty interesting way that they're showing how
Speaker 4: the violence impacts other people that weren't even directly involved in.
Speaker 1: It, yes speaking of viot, it there's a confrontation at the.
Speaker 1: House fogerty his man pull up On tom outside of the.
Speaker 1: House tom goes. Back you left.
Speaker 4: Out SO i hate to be a, rod but you
Speaker 4: actually did leave out a pretty important, part this part
Speaker 4: where he fought the. Kids it follows what it follows
Speaker 4: the dad slapping the ship out of the. Violence so
Speaker 4: he went to. School he was.
Speaker 3: Mad, remember AM i getting that? Backwards are you?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: No, no he slapped the kid. After never, mind but
Speaker 2: it's your point.
Speaker 1: Still it happened after because that's why he ran, off
Speaker 1: and that's how they were able.
Speaker 3: To BUT i thought.
Speaker 4: Something happened before because he was mad when he went to.
Speaker 4: SCHOOL i thought something happened before they went to.
Speaker 3: SCHOOL i don't think he was. MAD i think he
Speaker 3: was actually proud that his dad.
Speaker 1: Was a hero And, ship yeah they all were at this.
Speaker 3: Point it's, possible BUT i don't.
Speaker 1: Remember. Okay, yeah it was just like when he came
Speaker 1: back and he was he was Talking ship to his
Speaker 1: dad because he was talking his dad because his dad
Speaker 1: because he was, like, Well, ship you just did this
Speaker 1: whole ship like at the.
Speaker 3: Diner oh, yeah because the dad said you, know what
Speaker 3: are you doing or? Whatever and he was, like well
Speaker 3: it was you shot him or? Something?
Speaker 2: Brother, yeah he. Did he was like bro at that
Speaker 2: point he was Like, John.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ship so we get to the confrontation Johns.
Speaker 3: Christy what's his name Is? Tom?
Speaker 1: John?
Speaker 3: JOHN i think It's John cusack is an. ACTOR i,
Speaker 3: KNOW i.
Speaker 1: Know that's why when he said, It.
Speaker 3: Joey, joey Joe joey was. Crazy so.
Speaker 1: Now remember the other sets part ye get to. That
Speaker 1: let's go to the. Confrontation let's go to the conversation
Speaker 1: at the house. First.
Speaker 2: Fan so there's a confrontation at the house and it
Speaker 2: was Violid mike.
Speaker 3: Hitting.
Speaker 1: It now they Confront tom outside of his house and
Speaker 1: he shows no mercy ruthlessly kills both of. Them but
Speaker 1: the wife notices. This this goes to your, point, Right it's,
Speaker 1: like does everybody know that he's in on like he
Speaker 1: Was Joey cusack or are they surprised to see this
Speaker 1: side of? Him she looked fairly. Surprised did you think?
Speaker 3: Differently by this POINT i did, Think, okay sh she don't,
Speaker 3: know yeah or. Whatever and then she started asking, him so, okay,
Speaker 3: damn so he this is just him or?
Speaker 1: Whatever so he pooling. Everybody, yeah my, boy what did you, Think?
Speaker 1: MIKE i never thought that she.
Speaker 2: Knew never thought she.
Speaker 3: KNEW i never thought she.
Speaker 4: Knew and when when they pulled, UP i think she
Speaker 4: took off out the room because he said go to your,
Speaker 4: son right or, no go to your daughter to so
Speaker 4: he sent her in the.
Speaker 3: House SO i didn't think she.
Speaker 1: Knew like a woman get in the kitchen made me.
Speaker 6: Sad WHEN i get, THAT i got a hand, said
Speaker 6: After i'm. Done that was really that was so like
Speaker 6: skip that.
Speaker 3: PART i was gonna be a rod on that part.
Speaker 2: Too what are you talking?
Speaker 3: About when he? Ran it?
Speaker 2: Was, yeah it was.
Speaker 4: Relevant it was relevant because this is the only part
Speaker 4: of the whole movie that hate.
Speaker 7: Crippled how does dude is stabbing the foot? Yet but
Speaker 7: how that dude stabbing the?
Speaker 3: Foot how he run the whole way? HOME i was,
Speaker 3: LIKE i don't like. That that's.
Speaker 2: Stupid it didn't make it because he got home, quick
Speaker 2: he did the.
Speaker 1: Work he walked because remember at one, point because when
Speaker 1: he walked, out because the cars pulled, up he was
Speaker 1: looking out the window and was, like okay she Was
Speaker 1: she was, like it's more, Reported LIKE i don't look
Speaker 1: like reported and then because remember earlier he said something
Speaker 1: about the truck was out of. Gas can you drop
Speaker 1: me off of? Something and then the second time he
Speaker 1: they we saw him walking out and it took a
Speaker 1: right to.
Speaker 4: Walk the word that's crazy that he walked all the
Speaker 4: way to work after getting that for the, foot and
Speaker 4: nobody was.
Speaker 1: Like i'll give you a, rock, right, yea it was
Speaker 1: the hometown, hero, right but but, yeah the ISSUE i
Speaker 1: had he was right for choking a little.
Speaker 3: Bit i'm saying this, right BUT i understand made my,
Speaker 3: walk you.
Speaker 1: Know but, uh but the WHAT i WHAT i thought
Speaker 1: was gonna happen didn't. Happen and the son did, it
Speaker 1: not the wife BECAUSE i remember that Part rod And
Speaker 1: mike when he was, like go get, go get the.
Speaker 1: Shotty So i'm, like when when they were out he
Speaker 1: was basically being confronted by them and being taken. AWAY
Speaker 1: i thought she was gonna come out with the shotgun
Speaker 1: and shoot on and she in the corner hot.
Speaker 4: Again violence affecting that kid, Differently it didn't really affect
Speaker 4: her like.
Speaker 1: That AND i would AND i will also, think, WELL
Speaker 1: i would be kind of surprised because remember the when
Speaker 1: she took the girl out for shoes And foggerty was
Speaker 1: outside waiting on him and she found the restraining order or.
Speaker 1: WHATEVER i thought she she did. It, yeah she actually did,
Speaker 1: it SO i thought at that, point you, know the
Speaker 1: threat was elevated of who these guys.
Speaker 2: Were so she would have been a little bit more on.
Speaker 1: Edge but she.
Speaker 2: Was she she was. Not she had a hit up,
Speaker 2: her but she took them.
Speaker 1: Out guy.
Speaker 3: Is, crazy his fucking note and that's a real. Move
Speaker 3: it doesn't. Matter but like you, know one of my
Speaker 3: mom's boyfriends and taught me that move.
Speaker 2: And get.
Speaker 3: Because it'll kill.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it supposed to do it once and that
Speaker 4: will take them motherfucker. Out one of my best friends
Speaker 4: in high school was a black belt in tenth grade
Speaker 4: and he told me about that. Here you, know he
Speaker 4: was always, like, man fight back WHEN i was Getting
Speaker 4: bullieduck's biggest rod and smallest. Feet i'm not fighting. Nobody
Speaker 4: but he was, like all you gotta do is hit
Speaker 4: him like that one. Time but then he told me
Speaker 4: later that if you do it, right that will kill.
Speaker 3: Him So i'm in tenth, Grade i'm, Like i'm not killing.
Speaker 2: Anybody, yeah my father in law talk.
Speaker 3: And the kidney punch might take you down and take you.
Speaker 3: Down you hit some, money, right the, right, dude that's probably.
Speaker 3: Why but think about you get, hit you can't even
Speaker 3: keep the.
Speaker 1: Team like everything was, gone and he did a lot of,
Speaker 1: this he was he was catch a lot off the wind.
Speaker 1: Pipe from now we get one of the pillars of
Speaker 1: the whole, movie As mike says violent, sex saying on
Speaker 1: the stairs eating And tom have sex that's aggressive and.
Speaker 1: Painful and the question here is was this because she
Speaker 1: was turned on by what she's seen whoever Wants oh
Speaker 1: you have wrapped that? Up this ship threw me the
Speaker 1: fuck off Because i'm, like what the? Hell because when
Speaker 1: he snatched her, up because she in front of her
Speaker 1: like oh your ass really is Motherfucking joey and was
Speaker 1: talking ship to, him and when he snatched her up
Speaker 1: and choked, her BRO i was, Like, yo this is.
Speaker 1: Crazy AND i was hoping he really didn't like commit to,
Speaker 1: yeah but this you, know, so but you KNOW i,
Speaker 1: was you, KNOW i guess SO i don't know me, Here,
Speaker 1: WELL i guess that did? It, Yeah like that's WHAT
Speaker 1: i took off on this. PART i don't know if
Speaker 1: it turned her on or not she's.
Speaker 3: SCARED i think she was.
Speaker 4: SCARED i think that in this moment they were trying
Speaker 4: to show that that perfect BALANCE i was talking about
Speaker 4: earlier is completely. Gone now violence has entered the relationship
Speaker 4: and it's. Off the FIRST i watched this, MOVIE i
Speaker 4: thought this scene was stupid as. FUCK i was, like
Speaker 4: that was what the fuck they fucked on the? Stairs
Speaker 4: this doesn't make any. Sense, like but after watching it
Speaker 4: a few, TIMES i think that they were definitely trying
Speaker 4: to imply that things are different now that violence has been.
Speaker 4: Introduced whether or not she was actually turned, ON i don't.
Speaker 3: KNOW i don't.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah because you, know that could be a, trope
Speaker 1: stereotype or whatever that is being said out, there not
Speaker 1: saying that it does not. Exist you, know it seems
Speaker 1: like it's, Possible rod because my thing was, like, MAN
Speaker 1: i hope like This joey guy is showing up, now
Speaker 1: because that's what she. SAID i Saw. JOEY i Saw,
Speaker 1: joey and Now joey doesn't. CARE i, guess going back
Speaker 1: to What mike was saying about this perfectly semiotic, relationship
Speaker 1: Now i'm the dominant figure in this. Relationship therefore you
Speaker 1: will do my, bidding and she conceded out of, fear
Speaker 1: because remember when she got, up what does she?
Speaker 2: Do she hit it stormed.
Speaker 4: Off SO i always took that they need this open,
Speaker 4: ended like you're not sure is it a matter of
Speaker 4: she's turned on or is it a matter of she
Speaker 4: felt like she was about to get, raped and she
Speaker 4: went ahead and conceded so she would not be. Raped
Speaker 4: and then when it was, done he got his nut.
Speaker 4: Off she bowed and then stormed up the. Stairs i'm
Speaker 4: still unclear on this, scene BUT i don't know if
Speaker 4: it's as simple as, OH i saw my man be.
Speaker 3: VIOLENT i. DON'T i don't know if that's what it.
Speaker 3: IS i really. DON'T i. DON'T i wasn't confusing to.
Speaker 2: Y'all y' said.
Speaker 5: It was like you know because YOU i, mean you
Speaker 5: hear and see like women wanted to be choked and
Speaker 5: stuff like, that not in a in a violent in
Speaker 5: an absolute violent way like, oh but but you've heard
Speaker 5: people women say, like, yo don't don't show me to
Speaker 5: WHERE i can't. Breathe just show me to WHERE i
Speaker 5: feel LIKE i can't.
Speaker 3: Breathe the freak. Couch go.
Speaker 5: Ahead i'm just saying to the table y'all heard this.
Speaker 3: Ship i'm not saying you. Heard don't.
Speaker 5: You know about all that you know about blood, playing
Speaker 5: you know about flood.
Speaker 4: Playing everything don't.
Speaker 3: All right brand new?
Speaker 5: Now but, nah but, yeah like that's that's the. Thing
Speaker 5: she seemed like she was genuinely turned. On BUT i
Speaker 5: can see you guys perspective as. Well and the only thing,
Speaker 5: too that made me think that because she already tried
Speaker 5: some freaking ship.
Speaker 3: Earlier she was just like so it seemed like she
Speaker 3: was into like some kinky. Ship you know What i'm.
Speaker 5: SAYING i think they applied, it like with her wanting
Speaker 5: to start the kinky ship, before and she's, like this
Speaker 5: is just some mother kinky ship that she.
Speaker 3: Was what was? Kinky you thought was?
Speaker 5: Kinky just just her dressing up as a.
Speaker 4: Rock y'all laughing to her didn't catch the right.
Speaker 3: Boy he would have just, Clear i'm not doing.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 5: Again but she revealed that ship earlier, though she was
Speaker 5: into some ship and she wanted and, yeah the circumstances
Speaker 5: were fucked, up you know What i'm. Saying, LIKE i
Speaker 5: think under other circumstances he wouldn't have got the slap
Speaker 5: at the.
Speaker 3: End BUT i think she still would have been into,
Speaker 3: it you know What i'm, Saying.
Speaker 5: BUT i think because of the lying and her not,
Speaker 5: knowing that's where the slap came.
Speaker 1: From in a role playing, SITUATION i could see what
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly but. Not but they weren't role, playing and
Speaker 4: the very next scene is Not he's like this my
Speaker 4: ass taking it and if you don't want to give
Speaker 4: it to, Me i'm really gonna take.
Speaker 3: It that's HOW i took that.
Speaker 4: Scene because right after that.
Speaker 3: They showed her in the.
Speaker 4: Bed she's crying and she has a huge gash on her,
Speaker 4: Back SO i think that down was from the.
Speaker 3: Stairs SO i think it's like that.
Speaker 5: That the sex scene here was, violent it was, awkward
Speaker 5: and it was completely.
Speaker 4: Imbalanced she was not in control at.
Speaker 2: All from the previous scene what you're, saying it was
Speaker 2: completely it Was it was.
Speaker 4: Balanced it was almost like A Yin yang because they turned.
Speaker 4: Sideways it was, mutual which for most people that Do fix,
Speaker 4: nine it's not sideways ones on.
Speaker 3: Top they turned. Sideways Yin. Yang you told, Me.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying If i'm reading too much, fun but
Speaker 4: that's always.
Speaker 3: WHAT i took from this.
Speaker 4: Movie so post it was also, missionary which is typically
Speaker 4: viewed as the man being in.
Speaker 2: Charge that's, true so.
Speaker 1: Typical so from here we have the reveal man truth is.
Speaker 1: Revealed tom, like you know what FUCK i? Am joey
Speaker 1: cusack uh former killer who Ran philly from years. Ago
Speaker 1: my question to you, guys as he reveals, it he
Speaker 1: don't get work. Up there is no umph to. It
Speaker 1: it's just, like, okay it is what it. Is was
Speaker 1: that from him being guilty from? It or was he
Speaker 1: detached from that life he?
Speaker 2: Buried he said he buried, It but did you see any?
Speaker 2: Guilt could you notice any guilt with how he? Delivered,
Speaker 2: yes this is WHO i.
Speaker 1: Am it didn't seem like to, me it didn't seem
Speaker 1: like he was sorry About he didn't care when he revealed.
Speaker 1: It he was to who he was well at this
Speaker 1: point he was. Caught, well so it was just like all, right,
Speaker 1: fine you got. Me but he really didn't. Care it's
Speaker 1: like it is what it is when the reveal came,
Speaker 1: out not when he was talking To i'm.
Speaker 4: Honestly trying to remember when the reveal came. Out who
Speaker 4: was he talking to when he was finally like all.
Speaker 3: Right, Cool so you went back a little.
Speaker 2: BIT i went back a little, bit was talking to.
Speaker 5: Five he, SAID i should have killed you back In,
Speaker 5: Philly jersey or wherever he.
Speaker 3: Was and that was in the front.
Speaker 4: Yard, okay that's WHY i Was, Okay i'm not. Trying
Speaker 4: remember when the sex. HAPPENED i thought the sex. Happened
Speaker 4: it was after.
Speaker 2: That it was after that he JUST i just skipped.
Speaker 4: Around so he killed them and then they had. Sex
Speaker 4: when did he have to go with?
Speaker 3: Buddy? When, GOD i guess that was When.
Speaker 2: RICHIE i Think richie kind of know, him And richie
Speaker 2: that was on the car took in front of mab.
Speaker 3: Boss, Right but what made him leave What I'm richie called,
Speaker 3: him that's, Right.
Speaker 4: Richie called him on the. Phone that's. Right, okay, now.
Speaker 1: Yeah but but the cat was out of the back
Speaker 1: at this. Point he didn't you have the reveal was,
Speaker 1: yeah the cop was even, like, yeah this ain't add.
Speaker 1: Enough but but even when when this motherfucker is, heartless you,
Speaker 1: know because when he when he was talking when you,
Speaker 1: know the wife and and the mom, wife when.
Speaker 2: He was having an argument with his wife about you,
Speaker 2: know who are?
Speaker 1: You what are you? Like who is this? Person? Blah blah,
Speaker 1: blah and he, said Why tom stalls this motherfucker because it's.
Speaker 3: AVAILABLE i was available. Too, YEAH i felter on that
Speaker 3: that was a good.
Speaker 1: Line that was a good. Line but, WELL i mean,
Speaker 1: yeah but that show like it kind of showed. That, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah because it was. Available there's no real reason WHY
Speaker 1: i took.
Speaker 3: It and it was just LIKE i thought it was.
Speaker 5: GONE i THOUGHT i thought he was gone by the
Speaker 5: way he was talking About john like he was skit.
Speaker 1: So and he kind of went back and forth to
Speaker 1: yeah about Between john and And joey and.
Speaker 3: Said i'm Sorry. Joey. Yeah it was kind of a
Speaker 3: stupid ass.
Speaker 4: Question, though what Why tom starts if you if you
Speaker 4: are picking, up Then i'm a. Gangster why you ask
Speaker 4: me WHY i picked this? Name what difference he?
Speaker 2: MADE i didn't really?
Speaker 3: Name is just our, Kids and that's. Funny my whole
Speaker 3: question was what what triggered?
Speaker 1: It it? Was it?
Speaker 3: Was it? Was it was it.
Speaker 5: The dinner when he had to fight at the dinner
Speaker 5: That John joey coosad to come.
Speaker 1: OUT i think it was a dude coming to look for. Him, now,
Speaker 1: YEAH i think it was. That, YEAH i think his.
Speaker 2: Family, YEAH i started looking following my.
Speaker 1: Family she brought it out on their.
Speaker 2: Case Bro joey back now, then DON'T i thought it was?
Speaker 5: Her it was, like it's all her. Fault it's all her.
Speaker 5: Fault this ain't the mobster's. Fault this is her. Fault
Speaker 5: she came in. There tell every since then he was
Speaker 5: he Was Joey. Cusack after that he was Joe WHICH
Speaker 5: i have to say about the, trip.
Speaker 3: Y'all, y'all y'all third, eye that's what you gotta be.
Speaker 1: Doing this sixty nine.
Speaker 3: Joy man out of, that out of just in, time
Speaker 3: this time for the.
Speaker 1: Dynasty what did y'all think about the trip that he
Speaker 1: took To philadelphia to confront the mob?
Speaker 3: BOSS i, like all of this brother was. Crazy, yeah
Speaker 3: but what is that also?
Speaker 4: Mean because he's wearing a, cross but they rarely ever
Speaker 4: focus on.
Speaker 3: It so maybe Maybe jesus brought, it you, know took
Speaker 3: him no for, Real maybe.
Speaker 4: He Found jesus and Found god and found religion and
Speaker 4: that got him away From. Cusack but then these motherfuckers
Speaker 4: them brought them back.
Speaker 1: Out yeah he. Was he wasn't even trying to entertain
Speaker 1: because that guy was, like, yeah just finish your. Beer
Speaker 1: and we can. Go he was, like, man take this,
Speaker 1: ship bro, right you, know let's. Go it was it
Speaker 1: was kind of, honestly everything was dark and. Creepy i'm, like,
Speaker 1: bro do you even like nowhere you're? Going? Like are
Speaker 1: you in your peas and? Cools, like what's really? HAPPY
Speaker 1: i didn't give a at that.
Speaker 2: Point, YEAH i think he was just like seeing. Red
Speaker 2: at that, point he was seeing.
Speaker 3: RED i didn't see. That he seemed like he was
Speaker 3: trying to be.
Speaker 1: Nice, yeah with, RIGHT i thought he was trying to
Speaker 1: get out of there straight and.
Speaker 2: VENGEANCE i thought he was trying to Get richie to back.
Speaker 3: Down, no he was.
Speaker 2: Reach he threatened this family came to the WAY i.
Speaker 2: WAS i was laying.
Speaker 3: Low you know WHO i.
Speaker 2: Am you know What i'm capable of period kill you today.
Speaker 4: Living this, life or at LEAST i, mean we can
Speaker 4: guess that the that the sun was, sixteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right fifteen high.
Speaker 4: School we could guess he's been with his wife at
Speaker 4: least a good seventeen eighteen, years so he's not been
Speaker 4: cusack for at least eighteen.
Speaker 1: Years that's what he.
Speaker 3: Said he, said you've been this other guy for as
Speaker 3: long as you've Been John Joe. Joey, oh, yeah he
Speaker 3: did say. That he did say. That that was actually an interesting.
Speaker 5: Line he, said you've been this new guy for just
Speaker 5: as long as you were the other, guy so we
Speaker 5: can we.
Speaker 4: Can he's lived half his life as this new. Person
Speaker 4: he clearly loves this. Family this dude shows, up this
Speaker 4: guy haven't spoken to in eighteen, years shows up and
Speaker 4: threatens my.
Speaker 3: Family Or i'm killing.
Speaker 4: You, YES i don't think he was ever going to
Speaker 4: go in there and be, like hey, man can we
Speaker 4: just be?
Speaker 2: Cool, nah he's just sleeping.
Speaker 3: Alone, right you gotta.
Speaker 1: Die because you gotta think he can't even if you
Speaker 1: go up, there you convince him to leave you, alone
Speaker 1: you don't know how long it lays in his mind
Speaker 1: in two years and come back looking for. You so
Speaker 1: why why did He why didn't he try to kill
Speaker 1: him until he tried to kill.
Speaker 3: Him maybe he didn't know where he was until.
Speaker 4: That maybe that's why he gave in and let that
Speaker 4: dude drive him up, there because he didn't know where
Speaker 4: how to get to.
Speaker 3: Him What i'm, saying by the time he got to the,
Speaker 3: house he seemed like he was in some.
Speaker 1: Peace my, Brothers, yeah that's HOW i kind of. Ready
Speaker 1: it was, like what CAN i do to resolve? This
Speaker 1: to get you.
Speaker 3: To you know.
Speaker 1: SEE i think that was That tom stole. SHIP i
Speaker 1: feel like he was playing. POSSIBLE i do.
Speaker 3: TOO i think that was like a.
Speaker 1: Watch it again IF i could pick up on. IT
Speaker 1: i feel like he came In tom Rich they're saying
Speaker 1: he came. In, wait, no they're saying they came. In
Speaker 1: he came in As, joey but he was pretending.
Speaker 3: That that's WHAT i.
Speaker 4: THINK i think he went in there and he played
Speaker 4: that to see what he would, say just to see
Speaker 4: what and and to, like you, know take him off his,
Speaker 4: guard make everything seem. Calm BUT i Think tom went
Speaker 4: in there for that action Or Tom.
Speaker 1: Joey And richie mocked him for, it refuses to forgive
Speaker 1: and ordered this man to kill.
Speaker 2: Him would you have to take?
Speaker 5: SO i thought that's when he was just, Like, okay
Speaker 5: you're trying to kill, Me i'm definitely gonna kill.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Well i'm With, richie like how you fucked this?
Speaker 2: UP i didn't like.
Speaker 3: This he could have been done way.
Speaker 4: Better it was just too sloppy and the stunt coordinating
Speaker 4: was bad and it was just like all, right, man
Speaker 4: this doesn't even really make a lot of.
Speaker 3: Sense and your brother is that bad of a. Shot
Speaker 3: he was as close to to to him As rod
Speaker 3: is to.
Speaker 4: Me, yeah and you missed my, boss and you're my.
Speaker 4: Boss you've used this gun.
Speaker 3: BEFORE i would assume you.
Speaker 4: Missed come, on. Bro, yeah they could have done this
Speaker 4: scene a little bit. Better it didn't hurt the, movie
Speaker 4: but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Awesome, yeah that was that was part of, This like
Speaker 1: he didn't really seem like he was this because they
Speaker 1: were they were talking him up like he was that,
Speaker 1: guy he was that and it was like the action
Speaker 1: and it didn't really uh you, know portray that.
Speaker 4: Except when he stopping that dude next.
Speaker 1: Man yeah it's.
Speaker 2: Hard, yeah but he was moving all slow and ship.
Speaker 3: Exactly that's WHAT i talking, About like the sun. Board
Speaker 3: he was not very, like.
Speaker 4: How why are you beating ass that?
Speaker 1: Slow?
Speaker 3: God damn.
Speaker 2: All, right beat ass? Slow then we get To tom
Speaker 2: beat his. Ass, YEAH i don't, know it's A kiki show.
Speaker 3: ALREADY i don't know What spike over The Let.
Speaker 1: It go did weird the way he kissed him on his.
Speaker 1: Cheeckens oh, yeah it. Was it was sloppy, Dude it's
Speaker 1: not like it was a wet kiss the way you.
Speaker 3: Can't it must be his.
Speaker 5: Brother it was just the way he, kissed kiss your
Speaker 5: brother like that.
Speaker 4: The white people do, though like gangster mom what watch you?
Speaker 3: Know they all do that. Weird, yeah but it was
Speaker 3: just the way he did it though it was. Kissed,
Speaker 3: yeah it a little, like, MAN i missed, you bro,
Speaker 3: right he had some weird ye.
Speaker 2: Fast one to the last half of the movie Rich Over.
Speaker 1: Ahead he Kills richie with his bare hands and just
Speaker 1: washed itself off in the, Backyard, like didn't?
Speaker 3: Happen was it?
Speaker 4: Surprising this movie could have used a little bit more
Speaker 4: time because him just like him fiddling with the, keys
Speaker 4: and he looked up and his.
Speaker 3: Bow shot in the. Head oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah you. Know and did y'all see his face? Change
Speaker 1: So richie's face changed he got shot in the. Head,
Speaker 1: yeah and what like when he got, shot his mouth was,
Speaker 1: open and then when they cut back to, it his
Speaker 1: mouth was.
Speaker 2: Closing his head was in a different. Spot damn well he.
Speaker 1: Fell he was already, dead, Bro your head ain't supposed
Speaker 1: to move, over, like BECAUSE i rewound it.
Speaker 5: BACK i was, like, wait did they get that shot
Speaker 5: different DID i didn't catch, that BUT i believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Should the movie ends By tom returning, home sitting
Speaker 1: at the dinner. Table everybody sits in. Silence you look At,
Speaker 1: eating she has some uncertainty in her. Face, wait what's
Speaker 1: the wife's? Name said? Eating? Eat, yeah and then you
Speaker 1: look At, jack who is cautious to say the least.
Speaker 2: Because he remembers.
Speaker 1: That so so they left really. Ambiguous and as a,
Speaker 1: VIEWER i want y'all and we can wrap the y'all
Speaker 1: think that they go back to just being a regular
Speaker 1: family or is it something that for the future that
Speaker 1: they going to.
Speaker 3: Be that's what they imply to.
Speaker 5: Me that what they accepting him as the father of
Speaker 5: the family by offering him the meat loaf and the
Speaker 5: food and all that she fixed his dinner.
Speaker 3: Plate and, YEAH i think there's, like, okay we you,
Speaker 3: know it's almost like is it. Over they was looking
Speaker 3: at him like is it? Done is it?
Speaker 5: Over and, yeah they accepting him back and he was
Speaker 5: emotional about.
Speaker 1: It, yeah and with the new terms of, this but
Speaker 1: the dynamic will. BE i thought it was interesting that
Speaker 1: it was the little, girl the one that didn't have
Speaker 1: anything happened to, her you, know did you that one
Speaker 1: line she, Had oh my, god something about the.
Speaker 3: SHOES i, thought your, gun take me get some, shoes
Speaker 3: my meat.
Speaker 1: Somethody it was pretty bad, anyway but she was the
Speaker 1: one that made when it got the. Plate but she
Speaker 1: was also the one that didn't have any violence enacted upon.
Speaker 2: Her so for, her she don't even look at the.
Speaker 1: Dad that's still that the same.
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah that damn.
Speaker 3: Simple what you think about?
Speaker 2: It shut?
Speaker 1: Up so, ANYWAY i only watched. It it was late.
Speaker 1: Too but, anyway but this WI i like talking through.
Speaker 1: Ship but, anyway.
Speaker 3: The sun.
Speaker 1: Slowly Hesitant Harry.
Speaker 5: Catt took the meat loaf and put it over that
Speaker 5: way you can get, it you.
Speaker 1: Know he gave him the whole meat loaf, ride.
Speaker 3: Not a piece of. It what you, want, bro you
Speaker 3: want my.
Speaker 1: Peace the wife was just.
Speaker 3: She, was who AM i please let.
Speaker 5: This be to please let just bet.
Speaker 3: With? That with, That joey did? Okay you know at the.
Speaker 1: Before we, wrap one question THAT i have Was tom
Speaker 1: protecting his family or did he drag him into his?
Speaker 3: Past he protected? HIM i, thing, yeah, yeah, YEAH i
Speaker 3: MEAN i kept the.
Speaker 5: Innocence it's like keeping the innocence of a child, like,
Speaker 5: right you don't, like it's the same thing he was
Speaker 5: trying to do with his.
Speaker 1: Family they got they involuntarily got wrapped up in that
Speaker 1: world and they just didn't know how to process, it you.
Speaker 1: Know so the mom, NATURALLY i think all them kind
Speaker 1: of had naturally emotional, reactions especially the wife because was,
Speaker 1: like who.
Speaker 2: The fucking my? Marriage you, know and even the sun was.
Speaker 1: Reacting he was a bit of an asshole because when
Speaker 1: he come, fronted he was talking, about, oh what happened
Speaker 1: IF i say, this, WELL i get whacked when.
Speaker 5: WHAT i did, right you, Know i'm that you know
Speaker 5: WHAT i got.
Speaker 4: These you want to experience? This but asking mama about.
Speaker 5: Any final, thoughts there's definitely a story of your past
Speaker 5: coming back to haunt you type of. Situation so, now
Speaker 5: LIKE i, said, MAN i still stand BY i think
Speaker 5: it was a little basic in my, opinion but you,
Speaker 5: know but good at the same. TIME i don't mean
Speaker 5: basic as this basic ass movie was boring as. FUCK
Speaker 5: i don't mean it like. That it's just, like you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i didn't have to wreck my brain to try
Speaker 5: to figure out.
Speaker 3: Anything it looks the story seemed Pretty.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seems service LEVEL i think talking it out
Speaker 1: you can get you, know layers d probably IF i
Speaker 1: watched it, again MAYBE i. Could and now THAT i
Speaker 1: know the, STORY i could start to see like the intricacies.
Speaker 1: There because WHEN i saw it was it Was David
Speaker 1: rodenberg that did, IT i was, like, well, DAMN i
Speaker 1: normally know him to do like more layer in, in you,
Speaker 1: know stuff like. That SO i was surprised that that
Speaker 1: was the reaction to feeling THAT i had off the first.
Speaker 2: Watch but BUT i. AIN'T i ain't gonna even lot of.
Speaker 1: Y'all i'm not gonna watch it, again but BUT i
Speaker 1: do like BECAUSE i don't need to watch it. Again
Speaker 1: but just like the the violence and how violence we get,
Speaker 1: violence talking that THROUGH i think is is. Dope so so,
Speaker 1: yeah last, Words, mike.
Speaker 4: No, Man i'm at least glad that everybody liked it
Speaker 4: for the most, part that nobody hated.
Speaker 3: It But i've been teasing.
Speaker 4: Y'all but, yes the very first TIME i watched, IT
Speaker 4: i agreed with Rodding ken one hundred. PERCENT i was,
Speaker 4: like that ship was a simple ass. Move But i'm
Speaker 4: meant it more than. NEGATIVE i was just, like all,
Speaker 4: right nothing. Happened it didn't really click until a buddy
Speaker 4: of mine was, like, no it's croning.
Speaker 3: Bird you need to go back and watch it.
Speaker 4: AGAIN i was like the movie where they fucked on
Speaker 4: the stairs and he ran home with one.
Speaker 3: Foot that's. Stupid what are you talking?
Speaker 4: About but WHEN i sat down and stopped being, PAYHEADED
Speaker 4: i was, like, OH i see, Now, OKAY i get.
Speaker 4: It so now it's a good it's a good, movie
Speaker 4: clean hour and a.
Speaker 3: Half, yes, yeah they.
Speaker 2: Didn't oh that was the best part for. Me they.
Speaker 2: DIDN'T i was just it was, Late, mike it was
Speaker 2: like ten AND i you.
Speaker 1: Know, anyway all right. Man that was our review for
Speaker 1: the anniversary of the MOVIE A history Of, violence which
Speaker 1: came out in two thousand and. Five to twenty, anniversary
Speaker 1: this has been The france per second. Podcast we are.
Speaker 1: Out what did y'all watch?
Speaker 3: It