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Speaker 1: It's not good, Casey, but I don't think we are

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Speaker 1: Washington Post s as Ersa was working with a doctor

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Speaker 1: opioids and later kedemy. Now that's what killed Matthew Perry,

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Speaker 1: Is that right? The friends star in doses that made

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Speaker 1: friends and family orri Some people told the Post they

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Speaker 1: saw him taking pills, and another said they watched him

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Speaker 1: get ketamine shots. So when you factor in, and we'll

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Speaker 2: Well, there were reports back in early twenty four that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because well at one point remember the nine, when

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Speaker 1: He was allegedly blue. And look, I don't think this

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Speaker 1: We as taxpayers, invested a billion dollars or more when

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Speaker 1: But people would be outraged if public money was going

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Speaker 2: I would just like to say we were made to

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't our choice to do it? All?

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Speaker 1: wrote the story over at WIBC dot com. He also

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Speaker 1: is the cost of the Supporting Sobriety podcast. Ryan, is

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Speaker 1: this this didn't surprise you? Right? I mean, you spend

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Speaker 4: It doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is the level

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Speaker 4: or some people think he overdoses in Beverly Hills. No

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Speaker 4: This gives people an opportunity to continue using drug uggs

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Speaker 4: This is why this ersa story is so big.

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Speaker 2: the Kicking the Stigma campaign that the Colts have.

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Speaker 4: I think the Colts would be wise to come out

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Speaker 4: build the trust back up that stigmas are hidden and

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Speaker 4: The Kicking the Stigma campaign is great for people, but

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Speaker 4: I think a little honesty would go a long way

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hendrick from the WIBC newsroom and the supporting Sobriety podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: It's Kennily Casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: I'll have bad I'll just think it's bully. I'm Casey.

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Speaker 1: We do this every single week. We're like, man, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot going on with the Indiana politics and government.

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Speaker 2: I know, and it's summer. It's really not supposed to

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Usually there was a time or post legislative session you

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Speaker 1: Nothing right now? Now there's always plenty of stuff, and

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Speaker 1: is Nikki Kelly. Nikki Kelly, Hello, good morning. Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: start with what I think we all would view as

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Speaker 1: a win for humanity, which is bad news for Todd Rokeito.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this in the link the last couple

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Speaker 1: ends in this three judge panel, who will decide his fate?

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Speaker 1: Seems to not be messing around your interpretation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when I read there, Layne. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think what I took from it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: This is the second time for him. Last time the

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Speaker 5: I really can't, you know. I could picture a world

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Speaker 5: the short term suspension and then he's automatically reinstated. That

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Speaker 5: obviously happened to former Attorney General Curtis Hill. He was

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Speaker 5: It really takes a lot to defar someone in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Does that have you ever seen that happen? You've covered

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen disciplinary cases where people get dis barred.

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Speaker 5: They're usually you know, older attorneys who don't respond to

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Speaker 5: very few cases actually even become a charge from a

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Speaker 1: That's sort of like me with the here at the

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Speaker 2: Just might show up. Maybe, hey, Nikki, I'm curious. The

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Probably not much. They also did still encourage mediation

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Speaker 5: among the parties, which is interesting, you very racy mediation

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Speaker 5: way it went down the first time, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Niki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle is our guest.

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Speaker 1: All right, The other big story right now is the

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Speaker 1: lawmakers going to Washington. It's so weird, Nikki, because you

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Speaker 1: can't really seem to be like a straight answer on

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Speaker 1: what the meeting was actually supposed to be about. It

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Speaker 1: seems like a bunch of people met with a bunch

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Speaker 5: Yeah? And one thing your audience should know is that

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Speaker 5: this is not specific Indiana. They have done these other

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Speaker 5: on a number of epics, and that was the initial

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Speaker 5: On top of that, we you know, we've confirmed and

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Speaker 5: I think political first supported that. Speaker Houston and Senate

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Speaker 1: I got an ability to read the tea leaves on this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, bron was on with Hammer Nigel yesterday and

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they don't want to call a special session

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Speaker 5: be doing some whip bounce on that. Honestly, at this point,

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Speaker 5: I just want them to make a decision. If you're

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Speaker 5: going to be doing a lot of whipping. I you know,

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Speaker 5: from a journalist transparency perspective, it's frustrating that the Republican

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Speaker 2: Do you think the longer it takes, the more likely

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, at some point they have to get

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Speaker 2: You had mentioned that Houston and Bray had met with

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Speaker 2: And as a journalist, how do you find that information?

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Speaker 1: You guys had an interest. Nikki Kelly from the Capitol

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Speaker 1: Chronicle is our guest. You guys had an interesting article.

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Speaker 1: I forget the name of the lady, but she's like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I I yeah, I don't know that

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Speaker 5: the thing that you know, Houston and Bray in twenty

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Speaker 5: I was speaking an event this week, and you know

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Speaker 2: You had mentioned that you think the first step is

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised to hear Governor Braun say that yesterday

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Speaker 5: I think they started to say it this session at least,

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Speaker 5: I mean, wow, these numbers are pretty hard to ignore.

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Speaker 1: Nikki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle funder at a

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Speaker 1: Capital Chronicle dot com. You're the best.

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Speaker 5: Thank you have a good day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you too. You're listening to Kennel and Casey. It's

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Speaker 2: ninety three WYBC Dirty d Ye do oh, dirty dyay

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Speaker 2: go dirty go oh, dirty dye go oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, the docile tones of one Jerry Lopez in INDI

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Speaker 1: Spanglish on Twitter with our own producer keV putting the

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Speaker 1: backing tracks, as the kids would say, throwing down some

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Speaker 1: backing tracks. That is the official theme song of Diego Morales,

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Speaker 1: the Indiana Secretary of State, because well he is a dirty,

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Speaker 1: dirty dude. And this is the Kennel and Casey show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rob Casey's here.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that's hilarious about Diego and many

447
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Speaker 1: of these politicians are this way. They can't human.

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Speaker 2: It's true, it's true.

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Speaker 5: Just be normal.

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Speaker 1: Remember when, by the way, did you see Gabe Whitley

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Speaker 1: is back behind bars again?

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Speaker 2: I didn't know he was out. That seemed like that

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Speaker 2: went really quick.

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Speaker 1: Well, you only got a three months, so how do

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Speaker 1: you back? I realized we're pingpong righter. So Gabe Whitley

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Speaker 1: was this failed congressional candidate who ended up going to

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Speaker 1: federal prison for lying about the campaign financi reports, inventing

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Speaker 1: people who didn't give him money, and he was spent

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Speaker 1: what it was supposed to be three months in Thompson,

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Speaker 1: Illinois in a federal prison, and he got out. But

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Speaker 1: somehow he has ended up, according to my case, back

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Speaker 1: behind bars here in Marion County. I was told because

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to put the ankle monitor on and they

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Speaker 1: like failure to report or something. I don't know. I've

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Speaker 1: got it posted up at Robin Kindle.

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Speaker 2: Marion County jail is a little scarier than where he

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Speaker 2: was previously.

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Speaker 1: According to my case, he's got some sort of hearing

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Speaker 1: on Friday, Abduel said he's going. So he wasn't out

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Speaker 1: but a couple of days and now he's, according to

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Speaker 1: my case, back bere bars. Anyway, remember in his the

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Speaker 1: federal sentencing hearing or where his excuse on why why

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Speaker 1: he falsified the reports was he couldn't read the room,

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Speaker 1: and the judge was like, what, yeah, you made up

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Speaker 1: a bunch of people because you could read the room.

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Speaker 1: Diego is literally someone who cannot eat.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Diego's is because he's a narcissistic idiot who can't read

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Speaker 1: the room. But this clip we're about to play you

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Speaker 1: is just like the most prime example of this this guy,

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Speaker 1: And it's like everywhere he goes, people just look at him, like,

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Speaker 1: what's wrong with this person?

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Speaker 2: He just grabbed the microphone and stepped right up, didn't he?

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Speaker 1: Like like a drunk guy at a wedding? Right, ke,

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Speaker 1: have you been to weddings where people who have been

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Speaker 1: in toxic have you ever see somebody just grabbed the

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Speaker 1: mic and start saying bizarre stuff a couple of times?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of like it's time for the best

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Speaker 2: man's toes and comes Uncle Steve again.

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Speaker 1: Like remember when at the at the at that Motor

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Speaker 1: Vehicle Advisory Board meeting where he started screaming about w

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Speaker 1: IBC and the people are just trying to eat their

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Speaker 1: law news. Yeah, the fake WIBC. What like, we're just

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Speaker 1: here for motor vehicle stuff? What what is happening? What

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Speaker 1: is it like? But it's the narcissism. These people are

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Speaker 1: so self absorbed, people like Diego Morales and there's so

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Speaker 1: many of these other politicians. They think everything is about them,

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Speaker 1: everything has to be about them, and they have to

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Speaker 1: let you know how great they are at every single thing.

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Speaker 1: And so this audio we're about to play for you

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Speaker 1: the Monroe that's Bloomington, right. The Monroe County GOP has

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Speaker 1: some sort of opening for their office, right, and so in.

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Speaker 2: The Bloomington Chamber of Commerce were on hand to help

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Speaker 2: them celebrate the opening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they joined the Bloomington Chamber. In his customary, if

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Speaker 1: you're a new member, typically you'll get the Chamber to

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Speaker 1: come out and just do It's a very simplistic thing,

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Speaker 1: like and we're thanks for being here. It's great that

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Speaker 1: we're claud you're remember of the chamber. Usually, then you

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Speaker 1: have the big city, you do a snip like it's

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Speaker 1: not some uber political function. It's not a Republican rally.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's there for you. Diego. Most people don't even know

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Speaker 1: who you are. And so the guy who's the head

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Speaker 1: of the chair, I think I actually went to high

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Speaker 1: school with this guy. That's the guy the chamber rep

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Speaker 1: that's there. I think he's on this on thee this

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Speaker 1: I think it's the county council there in Monroe. And

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The guy's like,

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Speaker 1: do we have all this where he's doing the introduction

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Speaker 1: and he's saying some names, and then you'll hear and

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Speaker 1: Diego is so small, both in stature and in his humanity.

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Speaker 1: He is so small. It looks like some little child

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Speaker 1: has next to the adults, like if you had a

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Speaker 1: little kid has grabbed the microphone and just launches into

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Speaker 1: this bizarro rant about how great.

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Speaker 2: The Morales administration.

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Speaker 1: And you can't see it because it's the radio, but

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Speaker 1: the looks on these people's faces are and these are

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Speaker 1: Republican people.

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Speaker 2: What it is?

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Speaker 4: What it do?

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Speaker 1: We yeah, okay, cav Go.

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Speaker 5: And we also have Secretary of Stay, Diego Morales here.

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Speaker 2: We'll here a few words.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you. As you know, we're in charge of elections.

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Speaker 6: I'm proud to tell you that Indiana's ranking number seven

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Speaker 6: when it comes on election integrity in the nation under

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Speaker 6: the moralist administration. But also we're in charge of business services,

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Speaker 6: and I've been focusing on growing our business in Indiana.

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Speaker 6: We've been working with a Chamber of Commerces Economic Developments.

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Speaker 6: My message is Indiana is open for business. We're here

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Speaker 6: to help you come and invest here in Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, you know what you would what a normal

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Speaker 1: person would say, thank you very much. It's an honor

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Speaker 1: to be here in Bloomington. I wish the Monroe County

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Speaker 1: GOP the best luck. Thanks for inviting me today.

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Speaker 2: Now, instead he had to point out he's part of

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Speaker 2: the Morales administration.

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 2: And that they rank number seventh in the nation for

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Speaker 2: election integrity?

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Speaker 1: How do you rank that? Yeah? What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Election integrity? And my my other favorite thing with Diego

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Speaker 1: And for some reason, Holly Sullivan, Connie Laws and Todd Rokeda,

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Speaker 1: they just let him get away with it. He basically

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Speaker 1: takes a giant dump on all of his predecessors and

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Speaker 1: acts as though the only reason anything exists is because

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Speaker 1: of him. Right, that there was no there there.

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Speaker 2: Like there was no Secretary of State.

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Speaker 1: This is the question I keep asking all the Diego supporters.

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Speaker 1: Can you point in the past twenty five years in

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Speaker 1: the state of Indiana to any wide spread case of

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Speaker 1: voter fraud? Now I'm not saying that, you know, there

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Speaker 1: may have been someone who voted illegally. I'm certainly not

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Speaker 1: disputing that, and that happens every election, But can you

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Speaker 1: point to any sort of organized, widespread voter fraud in

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Speaker 1: the past twenty five years in the state of Indiana,

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Speaker 1: and no one has ever been able to do that.

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Speaker 1: No one has ever been able to show me some

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Speaker 1: sort of coordinator like he acts as though before him

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Speaker 1: that that there were just people hijacking the electoral system

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Speaker 1: left in right, and the only reason that elections are

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Speaker 1: free and or fair now is because of this goof Hey.

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Speaker 2: Whatever happened with his uh election law the campaign? Do

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Speaker 2: you remember the Marion County election that keeps being investigated? Is?

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, well, so anyway we wanted to We will

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Speaker 1: never miss an opportunity to crap all over this guy,

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Speaker 1: because that's what he does to you, the taxpayer on

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Speaker 1: a consistent basis fake news to diego fake news. Wibc Hey,

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Speaker 1: speaking of fake news, the guy who's always bringing real news,

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Speaker 1: Jason Hammer is going to join us next. Can we

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Speaker 1: play him when we come back? Hammer asked Braun yeah

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Speaker 1: yesterday about Micah's chief of staff's idiot husband and the

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Speaker 1: fact that he can't keep his yapper shut on social media.

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Speaker 1: Can we first question? Can we play Braun's answer for.

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Speaker 2: Hammer's up next? On ninety three? W ibc.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got a bunch of stuff to get to

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Speaker 1: with Hammer, but Hammer, we have to start that. The

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Speaker 1: interview you guys did with Braun yesterday was fascinating. I

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Speaker 1: thought you guys got to all important stuff and a

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Speaker 1: very short amount of time.

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Speaker 7: That's the key, right, We have a limited amount of

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Speaker 7: time because of our clock in the afternoon, we got

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Speaker 7: a lot of traffic, We've got a lot of commercials,

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Speaker 7: and you know that's what keeps the lights on in

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Speaker 7: the building, you know, the commercials. So we have to

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Speaker 7: be cognizant that we've got to get as much information

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Speaker 7: in that the public wants to hear in a very

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Speaker 7: short amount of time. So I appreciate you pointing that out.

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Speaker 7: It's it's challenging at times.

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Speaker 1: I mean you you literally did the first two segments

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Speaker 1: of our show today. You got so much information. Thank you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but one thing I wanted to save for you, and

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Speaker 1: I love that you came out of the gate on

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Speaker 1: the number one rated afternoon showing idiopter first question, Like

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there watching, but surely he was just joking.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to actually come out just taking a

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Speaker 1: just a giant dump on this ste guy, and boy, howdy,

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Speaker 1: you sure did on this just idiot husband of Mike's

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Speaker 1: chief of staff who keeps making her life so difficult

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Speaker 1: because he can't stay off social media.

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Speaker 7: He is so jealous that his wife is a big

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Speaker 7: deal and that he's not. It drives him insane. And

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Speaker 7: people you know are coming at me, well, why are

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Speaker 7: you so hard on this guy if he's a nobody

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Speaker 7: one He's not a nobody.

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Speaker 1: He's married to the chief of staff.

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Speaker 7: And listen, whether you like it or not, you are

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Speaker 7: affiliated with the you know group here.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't pass gas without her knowing about it. So

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Speaker 1: for him to always be like, I'm not affiliated with

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Speaker 1: the Michael Beckworth profas.

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Speaker 7: And the thing that upsets me is again I said

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Speaker 7: this yesterday. I'm rooting for Micah. I want him to

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Speaker 7: do well. We're early on in the process here, it's

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Speaker 7: probably late first quarter in the term, to put it

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Speaker 7: in sports vernacular. I'm rooting for the guy. I hope

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Speaker 7: that they figure things out and help the citizens of Indie.

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Speaker 7: But this idiot is making not only Republicans but church

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Speaker 7: going people or religious people are those who believe in God.

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Speaker 7: This moron's making us all look like a bunch of

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Speaker 7: brain dead Hicks because he can't shut up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's the guy who's apparently stooged on himself

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Speaker 1: the office whatever, And so that there's a grand jury

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Speaker 1: looking into Micah's office now since numerous other people Micah

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Speaker 1: has denied it on our program. Yeah, Well, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I've talked to two people who have testified to the

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Speaker 1: Mary and Katty prosecutors. Off I give information to the

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Speaker 1: grand jury. So you decide who you want to believe

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Speaker 1: in that. But it does like why would why would

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Speaker 1: he make up the phrase grand jury? Like where would

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Speaker 1: that even come from? And again, I don't know his wife.

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Speaker 1: She may be a delight, she may be whatever. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea.

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Speaker 7: All I know is the last thing she needs is

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Speaker 7: extra work on her plate. She's got to deal with

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Speaker 7: a lot because Mike's a bit of a loose cannon. Right,

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Speaker 7: She's dealing with a lot of stuff and this moron's

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Speaker 7: not making her job any easier.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday he had posted something about a news article

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Speaker 1: or a written piece of the Steve Bannon or something.

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Speaker 1: But then it was something about Republic Washington are gay.

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Speaker 2: I don't get anything done because they're gay.

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Speaker 1: Then he tried to back out of it and say, well,

655
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Speaker 1: it was quoting somebody else, and it was like but

656
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Speaker 1: it was like, why would you excuse? Right, there's always

657
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Speaker 1: some sort of excuse when this moron.

658
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Speaker 7: Gets called on his bull crap. He's too stupid to

659
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Speaker 7: note what to post and what not to post. But

660
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 7: then he backtracks, well, well, well no, how about you

661
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Speaker 7: shut up?

662
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Speaker 1: And at this point I'm sorry.

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Speaker 7: If I'm Mike as chief of staff, if I'm Sherry Ellis,

664
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Speaker 7: I look at my husband and go give me your phone.

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Speaker 7: I'm deleting your accounts right now because you're making my

666
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 7: job difficult because you're a moron. I thinks it's funny, though,

667
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 7: Hammer he's posting all the time and socially, how great,

668
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 7: how great?

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Speaker 1: He thinks all this is.

670
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing, right that shows you how insecure

671
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 7: this guy is. His wife is a bigger deal than

672
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Speaker 7: he is, but for whatever reason, he can't handle that.

673
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 7: So he's got to be Johnny hot take on social

674
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 7: media just to let everybody know that he still has

675
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 7: a penis.

676
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Speaker 1: So you, at one point you said the funniest thing

677
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: I think I've ever heard. You said something the effective

678
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: he should just sit in a chair in the corner

679
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 1: and spin around. That would be more productive of his time.

680
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: It really would. And again the reason I'm.

681
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 7: Ticked off is this dude is making all of us

682
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 7: look bad. He's so full of crap. Like everything a

683
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 7: lib would say about an Indiana Conservative, Right, Oh, you're

684
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 7: a bunch of church going you know, hillbilly dumbasses. Well,

685
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 7: then here comes the husband of the chief of staff

686
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Speaker 7: to verify everything that the haters would say.

687
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Speaker 1: All right, so in one of the a Marconi worthy

688
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: move you had the governor of the state of Indiana

689
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Speaker 1: on it, and right out of the gate you just

690
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: asked Ron about the guy we did keV. Here's what

691
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: he had to say.

692
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 7: I've got a screenshot here from Stuart Ellis quote. If

693
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 7: you wonder why the GOP never advances conservative interests, it's

694
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 7: because they're gay. No, seriously, the staffers are large delete

695
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 7: homosexual and do not hold conservative values.

696
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: That is the husband of Micah's chief of staff. Correct,

697
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: What good does this serve? Governor?

698
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 7: Like when you see this stuff out on social media.

699
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 7: I know you can't control everybody. He's got the right

700
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 7: to say it. I get it, But at the end

701
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 7: of the day, you're the guy at the top of

702
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 7: this ticket.

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00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Does this tick you off?

704
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 3: You know it does because it's repeats itself. And I

705
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: think I've used the term clean up on Aisle five

706
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: and that gets to be old. You shouldn't be putting

707
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: stuff out there that's getting on the news in that way.

708
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: And I think you're gonna have to find a way

709
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: to throttle it back otherwise it's going to become the topic.

710
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Can I just keV? Can we just play hammer reading

711
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: what the guy posted again, we don't even need bronze

712
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: answer just I was rolling. I was rolling on the

713
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: floor crying hearing you read this and watching bronze face.

714
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: Because he got the cameras set up.

715
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: We'll tak his second simp of beer.

716
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 7: Like I got a screenshot here from Stuart Ellis quote.

717
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 7: If you wonder why the GOP never advances conservative interest,

718
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 7: it's because they're game.

719
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Speaker 1: No, Seriously, the pause is just perfect and Braun's face,

720
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: he's got that beer in his.

721
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: Head, he does he took his second sip. It's like

722
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: one of those moments that the YouTube feed is so

723
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: amazing because you can see his face so good.

724
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Speaker 7: Again, I'm rooting for Mica. I want the state to

725
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 7: do well. But it's hard when you surround yourself with

726
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 7: people like this guy. And I know he's not part

727
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 7: of the official ticket, but let's cut the crap.

728
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: He's in the mix here. If you're married to the

729
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: chief of staff, you're in the mix. There was a

730
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: grand jury investigation lay in the mix somehow, right.

731
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you, what did you about? Braun's

732
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: answer he said, this is like clean up in Aisle five.

733
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Speaker 2: Because I was really thinking about this, probably more than

734
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: I needed to. I'le five at my grocery store is

735
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: sheets and towels if you want to talk, like pickles

736
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Speaker 2: with the juice and the pickles and the shards of

737
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: glass are real cleanup. That's I'll be twelve, Section thirty three, Right,

738
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: Like when was the last time Braun went to the

739
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: grocery store himself? But when is the cleanup? He said,

740
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: you know, like when is the mop coming out and

741
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: the wet floor caution cones Right.

742
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 7: I'm wanting now to see almost like the rap Wars

743
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 7: of the nineties on the East Coast against the West Coast.

744
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 7: I want the Braun team to go at it with

745
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 7: the Beckwick team at this point, maybe not even necessarily

746
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 7: Braun and Beckwith but they're staff members. Yeah, listen, the

747
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 7: last thing I think this country needs is just lifelong

748
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 7: political people doing things. But you have to have somebody

749
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 7: that knows what they're doing. And I'm sorry, but it

750
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 7: should be Sherry at my Iika's staff pulling her husband aside.

751
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: And going give me your phone. Yeah, And in fairness,

752
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: I warned Stu. I said, you think I'm bad, You

753
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: have no idea what sort of Pandora's box you've opened

754
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: with this guy, because he's the most vengeful, spiteful, mean,

755
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: And I say, this all is a compliment, thank you

756
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: person I've ever met. And he did not take that seriously.

757
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 7: Well, everybody needs to understand what's going on here. Some

758
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 7: insecure dude is making the entire group look bad. His

759
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 7: wife is successful, but he has such insecurities. He's got

760
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 7: to be Johnny hot take on social media.

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Speaker 1: Look at me. I'm still a man. I've got a

762
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: function in crank. Pay attention to me. There are times

763
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I wonder, what are we doing this? Afterdode, what's going on?

764
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: You are gonna come by, We're going to go off

765
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: the rails.

766
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Speaker 7: And then around one o'clock We're dropping a very big

767
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Speaker 7: degenerates next doraor podcast the game one versus two Baby

768
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Speaker 7: Ohio State Texas.

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Speaker 2: All right, Andrew Ireland is going to join a snack

770
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Speaker 2: state rep on the Way and the name of transparencies

771
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Speaker 2: bringing receipts Kennel and Casey on ninety three WIBC