1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Now during that trip. I then looked at I said, oh, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: that's right, Purdue is on tonight. So I went to 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: my dad's watch Purdue Minnesota got there just in time 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: to see beginning of the game, early second possession. I 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: think Braiden Smith kind of took that awkward tumble and 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: just landed awkwardly, kind of like breaking his fall on 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: his wrist. Eddie, you've done this on the ice, right 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: on the ice I've ever been on the ice, I 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: mean like on an icy sidewalk. You've lost your footage. 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: You first out to grab yourself for sure, yes, and 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: you get that like that ooh in. 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: Your wrist right yes. 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Afterwards, Matt Pater was asked about it because Braiden Smith 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: was getting looked at for what I think early was 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: diagnosed as a sprained hand or a sprained wrist. But 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: of course, when you're talking about the guy that is 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: the preseason college basketball Player of the Year and the 18 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: best point guard in college basketball I believe personally the 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: best player in college basketball, it is a note. Brian 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: Nubert now joining us on the Java House Peel and 21 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: port Guestla, did you see my shirt today, Eddie? Did 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: you see my shirt I did. I've got them the 23 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: Java House shirt. Baby, Java House yesterday sent me. They 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: sent you some pods. I'll get them to you, Eddie. 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: And they sent me a shirt as well, Java House, 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: Peel and poor of course Jake twenty five the discount 27 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: code for twenty five percent off. 28 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: They have multiple locations in Lafayette. 29 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: That's where we find Brian Nubert now from Golden Black, 30 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: to talk about last night. 31 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: Brian, how are you? Happy holidays? 32 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: Happy holidays to you as well. 33 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: Take It's kind of unfair that you put me on 34 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 4: the phone and then talk about your shirt. I'd probably 35 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: have a take on it if I could see it. 36 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Spelt and sexy. How's that, Brian? 37 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: Does that sound good? Does that sound good? 38 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 3: That's kind of a given. 39 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Brian. It's Brian. 40 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this about this Java 41 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: House shirt they gave me. And Java House is such 42 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: a clean looking brand anyway, but it's an all black 43 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: T shirt, and black is a slimming feature. It's a 44 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: slimming color, so it looks good, just so you know, 45 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: not for all of us. All right, let's get to 46 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: old and black obviously, so you got half of it there. 47 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: Let's get to the first thing that I just talked 48 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: about in Braden Smith. Looked like this might have been 49 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: one where you got scared at first and then you 50 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: find out that it was not a significant injury. But 51 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: then again, sometimes a day later things can creep up 52 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: and you can find out that there is still pain there. 53 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: Where do we stand now or what do we know? 54 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: I don't have any update today yet. All Matt Paynter 55 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 4: could say after the game yesterday was came back and played, 56 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: which is true, and he played very well, so that 57 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: would seem to rule out anything really significant. 58 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: I would think. 59 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 4: Going back to our photos after the game last night, 60 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 4: I thought I saw some tape on a finger, so 61 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 4: I wonder if he didn't just jam a finger or 62 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 4: something like that. They said it was a sprain in 63 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 4: his hand, but I can't really confirm that. I can't 64 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 4: really confirm anything, so I don't know. Obviously, PERTY will 65 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 4: be watching that closely because this is critically important to them. 66 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to Brian. 67 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: You know I thought yesterday and let's go back to 68 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Iowa State actually, because we haven't had a chance to 69 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: talk since then, and I think Iowa State's really good, right, 70 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: But that was one of those games that just from 71 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: the beginning you could tell it just wasn't there that day. Now, 72 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't think for Purdue unless that becomes a habit, 73 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: that it's a real concern because they've got so many 74 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: good wins and they have so many opportunities for good 75 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: wins over the course of the Big Ten season. But 76 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: did Iowa State, I'll use air quotes here expose anything 77 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: about Purdue. What did Iowa State do that made Perdue vulnerable? 78 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 4: Well, I think the shots Purdue needed to make against 79 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: Iowa State to start the game, they just didn't, which 80 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: is disconcerting because you're playing at home. We are a 81 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 4: great three point shooting team. You had to make threes 82 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: to take some of the heat off of Braden Smith 83 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: and Trey coff Morin in their in their high packing 84 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: role stuff, and they just didn't. Now, shooting be obviously volatile, 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: but Matt Painter would be the first to tell you, 86 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: and produ's done this before at times this season, is 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: when they're not making three pointers is go find other 88 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 4: ways to win. And that's kind of what wasn't there 89 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 4: in the second half and just kind of a shocking, 90 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 4: shockingly one sided a deal after halftime. You just don't 91 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 4: expect to see that to happen to Purdue. Ever, you 92 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: expect the exact opposite. You expect to see what Purdue 93 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: did the Minnesota in the second half last night. Two 94 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 4: very different games, obviously, but it was just a very 95 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: jarring kind of feeling. You expect Purdue to respond competitively 96 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: in a much different way than they did against Iowa 97 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 4: State in the second half after simply not making threes. Now, 98 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 4: Iowa State, it's a great team, so that's that's a 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: big part of it. The part of the three point 100 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 4: shooting might have been them playing defense so well that 101 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 4: perhaps there was a panic going through the whole offense 102 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: and perhaps purdued in the it needed. I'm not a psychoanalyst. 103 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you what everybody was thinking in the moment. 104 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: But had pretty just made a couple more threes early, 105 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: which they shoot a very high percent, John, you know, 106 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: perhaps Iowa State has to change things up a little bit, 107 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: perhaps the game unfold a little bit differently. We'll never know, 108 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: but the oversimplified answer is is shooting and then poise 109 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: and then not letting the shooting problems affect your defensive effort, 110 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: things like that. That was the broader point I was 111 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 4: trying to make. I just never got to, Brian, what 112 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 4: did you think Matt Painter's response was? 113 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: In other words, you know, sometimes coaches lose a game 114 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: and you'd later find out that they're like, yeah, I 115 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: wasn't that concerned about it because you know, we were 116 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: working on this, or we wanted to do that, or 117 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: you know. What was Matt Painter's overall I guess reaction 118 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: from that Iowa State game And what tweak if any, 119 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: do you think he did going into Minnesota. 120 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure there was a tweak. 121 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 4: I'd imagine his message was kind of the point I 122 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 4: was just trying to make, and I tucked myself in 123 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: circles before I actually. 124 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: Made it, I don't think, Brian. Just so you know, 125 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I do that every day, right, That's what we do. Well, 126 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: you're on. 127 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: The radio, you get paid to do that. 128 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So you write in circles too, is what you're 129 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: gonna get anyway, So as you as you were, Yes. 130 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 4: So Painters. One of his his common messages is when 131 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 4: you're not making shots, don't let that affect your effort defensively, 132 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: don't let that affect your attention span defensively. And I 133 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: think Produge just crumbled defensively in the second half, and 134 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: he generally makes a correlation from one to the other. 135 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 4: Soue not making shots may or may not have affected 136 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 4: their attention to detail defensively, and that's where the game 137 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: really went sideways on Perduit was they just couldn't stop. 138 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 4: I was stating the second half, I wish State was 139 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 4: making horse shots and Produce just didn't respond. And if 140 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: the offensive struggles led to the defensive struggles, then that 141 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: that would be the heart of painters message that was 142 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: probably communicated in no uncertain terms in the locker room 143 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: after that game. 144 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: When you look at Brian Nubert is my guest Java 145 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: House peel and poor guest line Java house dot com, 146 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: by the way, the website, When you look Brian at 147 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: what Purdue has done to this point, I mean, obviously, 148 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: the win over Alabama extremely impressive. 149 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: I thought they were. 150 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: I thought their performance against Sexist Tech was as good 151 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: as I've seen in quite some time. Then that Iowa 152 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: State game disappointing. But you bounce back with Minnesota. Is 153 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: there an aspect of this team that to this point 154 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: you still feel uncertain about or do you have a 155 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: really good idea as to who and what they are. 156 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: I think you have a pretty good idea. 157 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: I mean, they've been pretty consistent, They've proven themselves in 158 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: a lot of cases prior to this season. I think 159 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: the rebounding has been a big a big revelation for Predue. 160 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 4: The run protections in a revelation for Purdue. Their problems 161 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: from last year were fixed by size. It's just college 162 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 4: basketball is a funny game. Three point shooting is a funny, 163 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: fickle sort of element of basketball. And you know, I 164 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 4: think the uh, the Iowa State game had a lot 165 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: to do with that. But you're also dealing with the 166 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: most inconsistent, turbulent commodity on Earth, the teenage male. And 167 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: uh so sometimes sometimes things they're going to uh sometimes 168 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: there's going to be inconsistency, and I think that, you know, 169 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 4: Purdue has experienced enough where you'd expect them to be 170 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 4: insulated from that sort of turbulence. But at the same time, 171 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 4: is anybody ever really I'm sure Texas text said the 172 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 4: same thing before they went into that Purdue game, that hey, 173 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: you know, we have a lot of guys who have 174 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 4: played a lot of basketball. I've been through a lot 175 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 4: of stuff and that kind of thing can't happen to us, right, 176 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: And then they got boat race, so it it. It's 177 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: a funny game. That's what's I'm interesting. Got college basketball. 178 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: You literally never know what's going to happen when you 179 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 4: go to the game. And no one ever could have 180 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 4: foreseen Iowa State coming and you know, pretty flipped against 181 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: Minnesota the exact same thing to Minnesota that i Was 182 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 4: State did to Purdue in the second half. 183 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: You know, realistically, Brian, the turbulence and the non predictability 184 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: and the all over the place of teenagers is not 185 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: gender specific, right, Isn't that like just kind of a 186 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: generality of the of the age range? And I don't 187 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: know about I was a train wreck. But to your point, 188 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: as a guy, I was a train ran. What age 189 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: did you quit me in a train wreck? For me, 190 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: it was like twenty nine. 191 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 4: Was that supposed to have happened by now? I'm still waiting? 192 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? 193 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 3: Probably. I asked my wife that question. 194 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Like I noticed the other day to your point, to 195 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: your point, the other day, I discovered that they now 196 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: have a pizza that's made with cheese. It's as the crust, 197 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, I'm in right, and that's that's 198 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: probably catered to seventeen year olds. 199 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, they wouldn't make that if the world was 200 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: all women. 201 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: That is indeed correct. Hey, before we let you go, Brian, 202 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: Brian Nubert's my guest, Golden Black. I do want to 203 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: touch on football, the football side of things. And I 204 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: realize that we are entrenched in basketball season and I 205 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: get it, but just kind of because there's been so 206 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: much going on, and also because of the season Purdue 207 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: had some of the transfer portal, some of that inconsistency 208 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: has kind of flown off radar four Purdue. Where do 209 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: they stand just in terms of what they will have 210 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: for next year and either a who they're able to 211 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: go out and get or be any significant pieces they've lost. 212 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not as engaged in the day to day 213 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 4: on football as I am in the basketball. But the 214 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 4: one guy who's gone in the portal who strikes me 215 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: as a guy they really would have liked to kept, 216 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: and it's conceivable, I guess that they can still keep 217 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: them as a guy named Chops Harkless. He's a big 218 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 4: three hundred thirty pound nose tackled defensively, who I thought 219 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: had a pretty good season for them, was going to 220 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 4: be a pretty good player. Whether they can get him 221 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: back or not, I have no idea other than that 222 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 4: they've lost a couple of guys I think who maybe 223 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 4: could have helped them last season, but they you know, 224 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 4: the other side of the coin here is that you 225 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 4: didn't win a Big ten game again for the second 226 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 4: year in a row. So were there any real difference 227 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 4: makers that you really really had to keep. That's sure, 228 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 4: there are some young guys that you would like to 229 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 4: keep in your program to develop year after year, But 230 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 4: it's not like there was anybody who you're going to 231 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 4: lose and it's going to cost you wins next year. 232 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 4: You have to you have to get a bunch of 233 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 4: good players in the portal this year, and you have 234 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 4: to keep them in your program year after year here 235 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: and actually develop up them and you know, things like that, 236 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 4: and produce kind of in that in that trap that 237 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 4: I think everybody gets into nowadays when you change coaches 238 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: is that when you take the job, you lose the roster. 239 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: You replace the roster with a ton of short term guys, 240 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 4: and then those short term guys are gone before you 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 4: know it, and then you got to replace them with 242 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 4: more short term guys, and you're in this never ending cycle. 243 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 4: That's kind of where Indiana basketball is, is that you're 244 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 4: going to be replacing these one year transfers every year. 245 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 4: What you have to do is you get your high 246 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: school recruiting to the point where you're getting good enough players, 247 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 4: but then you're keeping them. They're getting better, they're understanding 248 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 4: what your program's all about, they're understanding your schemes, things 249 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 4: like that, and then you can actually plug guys in 250 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: and get old instead of just kind of putting a 251 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 4: new code of paint on. 252 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: It every year. 253 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 4: You know what, Brian Due's got money, but they just 254 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: have to spend it. 255 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: Right. 256 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: You raise an interesting point, and let me introduce this 257 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: to you. I brought it up yesterday a little bit. 258 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: Brian knew my guest Joba House Peel and poor Guest 259 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: lines with Golden Black. I mentioned this yesterday with college basketball, 260 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: and Purdue is the outlier here of what I'm about 261 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: to say. 262 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: Okay, take Indiana. 263 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: I think Indiana's got a pretty good roster, especially considering 264 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: what Darren DeVries. 265 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: You know, he gets the job kind of late. 266 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: He's got to put together a team that they obviously 267 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: had a mass exodus, and they've done a pretty good 268 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: job of getting guys to play. You would think that 269 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: those guys have played with each other longer than eight 270 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: months or whatever it's been. But as college football, Brian, 271 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: and again, Purdue is the outlier of what I'm about 272 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: to say. So it might be hard for you because 273 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: you are seeing the anomaly here. But when you look 274 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: at the Kansas's, the Kentucky's, the North Carolinas, the Indiana's, 275 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, the blue blood, historic rabid programs. As most 276 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: schools have become hyper focused on the money and the 277 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: fanaticism of the football side of things, there are those 278 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: that still basketball is the bigger sell. And yet I'm curious, 279 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: do you think nationally speaking, because I do think this, 280 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: but I want to know if you disagree with me. 281 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: Nationally speaking, I think college basketball is in a much 282 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: more tenuous situation in terms of between the transfer portal, 283 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: the one and done's, and also the transfer portal at 284 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: the high school level now of kids going away to 285 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: academies and getting away from their home area and people 286 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: not seeing them as seniors in high school and et cetera, 287 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: and the non familiarity with roster is starting to hurt 288 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: the overall interest in college basketball. 289 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: Am I wrong? 290 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: I think that is probably true, and it'll probably happen 291 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: more over time at certain places. 292 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: I think there are places like. 293 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 4: The ones you mentioned where you know, the program has always. 294 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: Been bigger than the individuals. 295 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: And at Kansas and you know, at Indiana, the faces 296 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: have always kind of come and gone, but it's been 297 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 4: the coaches in the instantutions that have always been part 298 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: of the culture. 299 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: And things like that. 300 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 4: I think you know that there are some rare places 301 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 4: like Purdue where they're basketball crazy. They get freshmen in, 302 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: they keep those guys year to year. People get attached 303 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: to the freshmen, watch them grow, really connect with the 304 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: team over a long period of time, and that's the 305 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: part of it where you know Purdue is going to 306 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: keep trying to do it that way. We'll see over 307 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: a very long period of time here how viable that 308 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 4: ends up being. Markets trying to do the same thing 309 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: right now and they're a disaster. So yeah, I mean, 310 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 4: I think when all this stuff, when all of the 311 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: transfer reform took hold, I think that was a lot 312 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 4: of people's big concern was that culturally fans were going 313 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: to feel less connected to their teams. There might be 314 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: a measure of resentment. Might not be the right word, 315 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: but the fact that they're getting paid might change things 316 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: in terms of how their fans perceive them. 317 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 3: Even though I knew the whole deal about. 318 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 4: College basketball for the history of time that they would 319 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 4: not like what they saw if players making money offends them. 320 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, you're I think that some had start right. 321 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: There are definitely some existential crises, you know here in 322 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: college basketball in terms of rabbit fan bases, connections to 323 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: their teams. 324 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: That are are at play. 325 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: Whether or not that's really taking hold right now, and 326 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 4: I think the TV money and the attendance numbers would 327 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: probably tell you different. But I think that over time 328 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 4: it is very possible, yeah, that there could be some 329 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 4: erosion between the communities and the college programs they've always 330 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 4: invested so much in. 331 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: Up next for the Boilers Marquette that is going to 332 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: be on Saturday two o'clock tip and then it is 333 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: a week off before Auburn is on the schedule. Both 334 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: those games, by the way, on Peacock Brian Nubert will 335 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: have it all covered. 336 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: Brian. 337 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: It is always a pleasure man, And just remember the 338 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: more of the cheese at peace. So you eat so 339 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: long as you wear a black T shirt, nobody notices, right, gotcha? 340 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: Thanks you, Jick, I appreciate it. Brian Nubert joining us 341 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: on the Java House Peel and Poor Guest line. My 342 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: days are all mixed up because we're in the new 343 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: building and it feels like a Monday to me. Joining 344 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: us now in the Java House Peel and Poor Guest line. 345 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: And if you're watching us right now on the YouTube, 346 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: you might notice my fabulous Java House T shirt. Thank 347 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: you to Mackenzie Newman from Java House for sending that over. 348 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: But Tony East joining us now, Tony, let's get to this. 349 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: The contract for Garrison Matthews. This is different than what 350 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: he like in terms of his title from a week ago. 351 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 2: In what way? 352 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 353 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 6: This is just now a standard contract, right, He's just 354 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 6: one of the normal fifteen guys that's on the team. 355 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 6: And you know when you're on a hardship, it's basically 356 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 6: an extra roster spot granted for a ten day period 357 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 6: for a team. This isn't extra, it's just a regular 358 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 6: one and they that's why I had to cut Jeremiah 359 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 6: Robinson roll to give him that spun. But he's shooting 360 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 6: in Gravity's cool to something to see. 361 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Mike's a lot. 362 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to get to this first, because we 363 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: have discussed this, and you know this better than anybody 364 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: and can explain it. And I will paint myself into 365 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: a corner if I try to. A guy is allowed 366 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 1: to be signed to a ten day give me if 367 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: you will, Tony, we'll do it this way. How many 368 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: different contracts? How many different types of contracts are there 369 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: that a player can be under for an NBA team? 370 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, they can do how many types of contracts? 371 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah you're asking, yes, oh man, there are so many. 372 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 6: Like hardship ten days is what he just Garrison was 373 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 6: on before this. There's standard regular ten days, which can't 374 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 6: even technically be signed by a player until January fifth. 375 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 6: There's two ways, which you know Quinton Jackson's doing that. 376 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 6: He's going to play for the Boom tonight. There's just 377 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 6: regular standard contracts. There's I guess, non guaranteed and partially 378 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 6: guaranteed contract. 379 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I get I get to guaranteed 380 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: and all that but what I'm saying is in terms 381 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: of the way that a guy is acquired. 382 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: So for a ten day contract of the types that I, 383 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: okay ran through. 384 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: In the ten day contract, you can only do for 385 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: a maximum of thirty days? Am I correct in saying that? 386 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 6: And you can sign two with the same team in 387 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 6: a year, but it can end up being as long 388 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 6: as what you just said thirty days because technically, if 389 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 6: it's like only two games, you're allowed to get a 390 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 6: third game, so the timing of the calendar can make 391 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 6: it so it's longer. But yes, you can only sign 392 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 6: two ten days of any kind with a team in 393 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 6: the season. That's why Garrison's time had to be, you know, 394 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 6: transferred to a different kind of deal if they wanted 395 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 6: to keep him. 396 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: Now, okay, now by getting it so just for example, though, 397 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: before Garrison Matthews calls Biff Ward and says, I got 398 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: to buy a house before that happens. Isn't this the 399 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: same circumstance that we saw with mac McClung. 400 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, he was. 401 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 6: No, he was on a standard deal. He signed because 402 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 6: they waved James Wiseman to bring him in, so he 403 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 6: was just on a regular non guaranteed contract that was 404 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 6: unrelated to the hardships of the ten days or anything 405 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 6: like that, which is why he was the guy they 406 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 6: waves to eventually bring in Monte More because they needed 407 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 6: our roster spot to do that. I'm sure this is 408 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 6: all super interesting and not no, but. 409 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: But I guess the reason I'm asking it, Tony, is this, Okay, 410 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking it is is this indicative of 411 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: the fact that they see Garrison Matthews as more of 412 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: a long term guy than Robinson Earl? Or was it 413 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: that they simply need him for a little bit longer 414 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: period of time and this is the way to facilitate that, 415 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: even though it doesn't mean solidarity long term. 416 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, I actually think it's a little bit of both. 417 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 6: You know, it certainly is the part you said about 418 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 6: the potential term if I just cut out, Sorry, the 419 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 6: potential long term for him is there because of the 420 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 6: shooting and the you know that fits with any team, right, 421 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 6: He's done that for every single group he's been on, 422 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 6: and so his standard deal runs to the end of 423 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 6: the season. They can now see, Okay, does this fit 424 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 6: with the way we play? How does this fit with 425 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 6: our offense? And when Tyre Taliburn comes back. Is Garrison 426 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 6: Matthews the guy we could put on the floor with 427 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 6: any sort of you know, consistency, and they had, you know, 428 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 6: a month and a. 429 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 5: Half to do that with Robert Toal. 430 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 6: I thought Robinsonroald was pretty good, to be honest, But 431 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 6: I do understand valuing shooting quite a bit, and Matthews 432 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 6: was doing that on his second ten day quite a bit. 433 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 6: But the other part of this that is relevant is 434 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 6: the contracts in the NBA don't become fully guaranteed until 435 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 6: January tenth, so they still have a month with Garrison 436 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 6: to kind of evaluate even that. If he doesn't prove 437 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 6: to be a great fit in this stretch, they could, 438 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 6: once again, like they've done so often this season, do 439 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 6: another move and bring in somebody else and keep evaluating, 440 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 6: and that there's worse things to do with your last 441 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 6: roster spot. But he is still kind of fighting to 442 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 6: prove it both this season and beyond this year. But 443 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 6: I think that they believed the shooting was important enough 444 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 6: to at least give him a chance to prove that 445 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 6: he can belong on the group. 446 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: Tony, where do we stand in terms of return for 447 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Nesmith? 448 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 5: Yeah? 449 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 6: Rick Carlisle said on Sunday, I believe was when we 450 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 6: got into this with him, that closer to the end 451 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 6: of the month would be a realistic timeline for Nissemuth. 452 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: I think he said four weeks was. 453 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 6: Going to be a certain time amount that he missed 454 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 6: when that did happen last month, and we're actually I 455 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 6: think today is four weeks to the day, but he 456 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 6: hasn't done a ton of on court yet, so he's 457 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 6: got a couple more weeks to go before he's able 458 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 6: to play. 459 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: What sort of things have you or Rick Carlisle two 460 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: different answers. I realize do you believe that they because 461 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: it seems like one step forward, two steps back for 462 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: the guy I'm about to mention, and I don't mean 463 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: that in terms of his ability, but rather opportunity, and 464 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: that Johnny Furfey just has not gotten the chance to 465 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: consistently get out on the floor. But it seems as 466 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: though they are wanting to really take more and more 467 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: look at him and get him reps. 468 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: Ultimately, what is his role going to be? 469 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's I think what I end them both are 470 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 6: trying to figure out right is now that he is 471 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 6: back and playing, and like that is the number one 472 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 6: thing for him right now, stay healthy and play some games. 473 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 6: Is kind of like, what are you, like, what are 474 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 6: you actually good at in the NBA in a way 475 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 6: that we'll get you on the floor for the Pacers, 476 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 6: Because you know, there's this outline of a guy who 477 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 6: last year was like really good at grabbing rebounds every 478 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 6: so often and would play better than his frame defensively 479 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 6: and occasionally made shots and d some pop in the 480 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 6: G League, but it wasn't all the time, right, So, like, 481 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 6: what can he show consistency at skill wise that will 482 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 6: make this team believe, Oh he can do he can 483 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 6: guard really well, great, he can be a good defender 484 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 6: on the winger. Oh he can really shoot it. Like 485 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 6: I don't I don't know what the skill projection that 486 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 6: they would be certain about him doing for them is 487 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 6: at this time. And I kind of think that's what 488 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 6: they hope to see on the floor as him pop 489 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 6: in one way or a couple of ways that they 490 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 6: can say, Okay, that's the role that we can see 491 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 6: him playing for this team next year or the you know, 492 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 6: the next time he's playing or relied on a postseason, 493 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 6: we know it's because of this. I don't think they 494 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 6: know that. I don't think Johnny Furfrey really knows that 495 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 6: he's trying to figure out that in the NBA frame, 496 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 6: he's only played, like, you know, twenty five real games 497 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 6: with rotation chances. A lot of his opportunities have been 498 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 6: garbage time through his career, so it's still a lot 499 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 6: of figuring it out for everybody, and I think they 500 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 6: just want to see him show real solid, an skilled 501 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 6: that hasn't quite happened yet. 502 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: Tony East joins me, Java House, Peel and poor guest 503 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: Line locked on Pacers Forbes, WTCHR among those, and then 504 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: of course, you know, always kind to be on this 505 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: radio station, Tony, before we let you go, I know 506 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,479 Speaker 1: you want to get to it. You said you had 507 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: talked to Garrison Matthews. 508 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, we just talked to him today. 509 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: Anything out of that, I mean just in terms of 510 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: his reaction approach, et cetera, now with you know, a 511 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: little bit more of a deal than what he had yesterday. 512 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 6: Well, I actually think his reaction is telling in a 513 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 6: way that is good for a fan explanation, because, like, 514 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 6: let's face it, his first Sunday was bad, right, And 515 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 6: he even said when he got the second one, he said, yeah, honestly, 516 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 6: I was a little surprised that they that they brought 517 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 6: me in for a second And like I think fancy 518 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 6: de reads like the players know when they're not playing 519 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 6: well on what it feels like and things of that nature, 520 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 6: and he was very honest about it. And the second 521 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 6: one he was much better. Like he had that fifteen 522 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 6: point game against Cleveland where all the stuff that he 523 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 6: can theoretically do for a good team happened. And so 524 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 6: I think today he you know, really explored and kind 525 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 6: of you know, talked about what happened for him on 526 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 6: that second one that was so much more effective, and 527 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 6: how much time matters when when you join a team 528 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 6: on a hardship, because the team you're joining is so injured, 529 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 6: you're expecting to produce right away even though you haven't. 530 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 6: You know, he might not be in shape, but he've 531 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 6: been a team for all of a day. And so 532 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 6: for him, that really was a detriment. Right, he couldn't 533 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 6: figure out where shots coming from, he wasn't making anything, 534 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 6: he wasn't in perfect shape. Once he got there, he 535 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 6: looked a lot more effective. They started him, he was 536 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 6: providing spacing, so it's kind of hard to judge him 537 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 6: because half of his time with the team was so 538 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 6: poor and half he was pretty effective, and it was 539 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 6: you know, he was kind of getting to the bottom 540 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 6: of that today of you know, how all that shaped 541 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 6: for him and what he expects this could look like. 542 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 6: And now he knows it's kind of a tryout, right, 543 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 6: So he's got to keep trying to produce. But they 544 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 6: love the shooting, and I think he knows that he 545 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 6: can do that and make everybody's life a little easier. 546 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: Hey, real quick walker castler Utah. I've heard a rumor 547 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: of like interest from Indiana. Buy it or sell it. 548 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 6: I mean, he's a great center. And the reason you 549 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 6: could buy anything like that with him or Derek Livey 550 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 6: or anybody of that nature is if they're good and young, 551 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 6: they fit the Pacers timeline now, and they fit their 552 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 6: salary structure now. Obviously Kessler don't have to be paid 553 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 6: next year. But yeah, he's a good player. He's like 554 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 6: kind of developing a jump shot. He's a great defender. Yes, 555 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 6: he would fit. That'd be a bye And I think 556 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 6: a lot of fans have said something to the effect of, oh, 557 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 6: he's out for the year. That's great for the Pacers, 558 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 6: right and the theory yes kind of. I mean, I 559 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 6: think they'd like to see him play with their players 560 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 6: to know what his fit would be. But also that's 561 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 6: a good thing for the Jazz who also I want 562 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 6: to win games this year, so that would be a 563 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 6: in theory perk for this year, but also makes them 564 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 6: maybe harder to get. 565 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: I will keep an eye on it. Gives us something 566 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: to talk about for certain Tony appreciate the time. As always, 567 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: we'll look for your coverage in terms of this news 568 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: today with Garrison and then of course tomorrow night Pacers 569 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: and Sixers as well. 570 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry for being late, guys. 571 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: Ah no worries, totally appreciate it. 572 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: Tony East joining us Jaba House, Peel and Poor Guest 573 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: line up. So let's find out exactly that we know 574 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: the big story of what's happened on West fifty sixth 575 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: Street over the course of the last seventy two hours 576 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: or so. But Matt Taylor is the voice of the Colts, 577 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: joins us on the Java, House, Peel and Poor Guest line. 578 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: You will hear Matt on the call from one of 579 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: my favorite cities in all the land, the Seattle coming 580 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: up on not just your Sunday Eddie. I know you 581 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: love Seattle, right, what about Matt, Matt, you like Seattle. 582 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 5: I don't have a really good opinion on Seattle. I 583 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 5: think I've only been there like three times, and they've 584 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 5: all been for Colts games. I did see the Eagles 585 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 5: one time, not like the Philadelphia Eagles, but like the 586 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 5: band the Eagles. I saw them the night before a 587 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 5: game one time out there, which was awesome. They played 588 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 5: at the baseball stadium across the street. So based on that, 589 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 5: I have a really good, strong opinion about Seattle. 590 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: You know, actually the Eagles are an interesting story because 591 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: they're kind of like Philip Rivers when it comes to football. 592 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: You can check out, but you can never leave, right 593 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: And the fact that you know, here he is back 594 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: from retirement. I want to get into that obviously, Matt 595 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: and I just had to jump on the segway. But 596 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: let's begin with the story that I think the Philip 597 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: Rivers story kind of overshadowed, and that is the one 598 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: of and I totally understand it, and I have the 599 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: utmost respect for Shaverarius mooney Ward and the decision to 600 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: put him on IR because of going into the concussion 601 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: protocol for the third time. I would hope that all 602 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: fans understand the legitimacy of something like that and the 603 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: respect of when it is concussions and multiple ones. You know, 604 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: you don't mess around with that stuff, is what I'm 605 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: getting at. But from a football standpoint, what does that 606 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: mean for the Colts now without Sauce Gardner as well 607 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: and their defensive backfield. 608 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're gonna be playing with guys like Jalen Jones 609 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 5: and Makayi Blackman coming up on Sunday. And that's a 610 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 5: huge storyline in this game because the Colts, I mean, 611 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 5: Louis n Rumo talked about it on Tuesday when he 612 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 5: met with reporters. You know, the biggest things the Colts 613 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 5: have to start cleaning up on defense is they got 614 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 5: to get more pressures up front and they got to 615 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 5: stop giving up too many big plays in the passing game. 616 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 5: We looked it up today. The Colts have given up 617 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 5: twenty two completions over fifteen yards in the last three games, 618 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 5: and they only have six sacks combined in the last 619 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 5: three games. And even that's kind of distorted because the 620 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 5: Colts got goosegged against shoot who they played last week. 621 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 5: I'm drawing a blank. It's been Jacksonville. Yeah, it's been 622 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 5: kind of a blur with this whole story. 623 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: I was about to jump in and say Houston, So yeah, 624 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm with you, right right, But. 625 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 5: I mean, no quarterback hits, no quarterback pressures or sacks 626 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 5: by the Colts pass rush last week. Now they are 627 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 5: getting DeForest Buckner back this week. That's going to be 628 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 5: a huge eight. Huge eight, I should say up front. 629 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 5: But it's really concerning because you're going up against Jackson 630 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 5: Smith and jack but who leaves the NFL and receiving yards. 631 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 5: He's a big play machine. They've got Rashid Shaheed who's 632 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 5: also a dynamic player on offense, in on special teams. 633 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, the last time he played 634 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 5: the Colts, I think he's still running. He had three 635 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 5: catches for one hundred and fifty three yards in a 636 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 5: few eight yard touchdown in that game against the Colts 637 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty three with the Saints. So he's 638 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 5: been a huge acquisition for them coming over at the 639 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 5: trade deadline. But the biggest part of Sam Darnold's resurgence 640 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 5: the last two years, and by the way. He is 641 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,239 Speaker 5: twenty four and six record wise since last year when 642 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 5: he took over as the starter with the Minnesota Vikings. 643 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 3: It's his deep ball. 644 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 5: They are throwing the deep ball with him, and he 645 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 5: is incredibly accurate. He loves to do it. He leads 646 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 5: the NFL in completions over twenty five yards since the 647 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 5: start of last season. So when you're playing up playing 648 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 5: against I should say a quarterback like that who has 649 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 5: the willingness to do it and the weapons on the 650 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 5: outside to accomplish it, and you're down your two starting quarterbacks, 651 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 5: that's the concern for the Colts. Those guys are going 652 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 5: to play a huge part in the Colts' success, and 653 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: hopefully they tone that down a little bit in the 654 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 5: defensive secondary. 655 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: On Sunday, Matt oddly enough, because it's not a team 656 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: that jumps out at you. And you know, I think 657 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: we know that at their ceiling. You know, we know 658 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: how high flying Buffalo can be, and we know how 659 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: dynamic Philadelphia can be, and et cetera. But if you 660 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: look at balance and ways in which a team can 661 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: win and control the pace of a game, is Seattle 662 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the bet win healthy the best team in the NFL 663 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: right now. 664 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 5: I think you're so spot on on that. I'm glad 665 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 5: you brought that up. I mean, they are so balanced 666 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 5: and so good on both sides of the ball. I 667 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 5: mean they're number two in scoring offense, number two in 668 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 5: scoring defense. And another thing that's really important is that 669 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 5: they're winning in the passing game on both sides of 670 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 5: the ball. Like I said, uh, Seattle really loves to 671 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 5: push it with Sam Darnold. Their number one and yards 672 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 5: per attempt on offense, and they're number one and yards 673 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 5: per attempt on defense, and they're giving up like an 674 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 5: under eighty passer rating to the to the opposition. So 675 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 5: it's really concerning how good they are on both sides 676 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 5: of the ball. Plus you're playing them there at Seattle Loomanfield, 677 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 5: where that place is just architecturally built to you know, 678 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 5: keep the noise in and keep it centered on the field. 679 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 5: I mean, this is I mean, I think Philip Rivers 680 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 5: obviously is getting a lot of the pub and the 681 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 5: attention this week, and rightfully so, considering that storyline and 682 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 5: how unique that it is. But let's not forget who 683 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 5: the Cults are actually playing. It's a ten to three 684 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 5: team that's incredibly balanced. They've got stars on both sides 685 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 5: of the ball, and the culture just desperate to get 686 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 5: a win and try to you know, they're eight and 687 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 5: five right now, trying not to squander that's seven to 688 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 5: one start. 689 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: Matt, It's funny you mentioned Jacksonville because when you go 690 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: back and look at that game, Matt Taylor, my guest 691 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: voice of the Colts, who's on the Java House Peelaport 692 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: guest line, when you look at what the Colts defensively 693 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: struggled to do with Trevor Lawrence, he had I think 694 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: thirty drop backs, he was not pressured. They did not 695 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: get a sack, And it's easy to pinpoint towards and 696 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: probably right to pinpoint towards. Hey, you know, granted Buckner's 697 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: ou out there, but Leatu Latsu and Quitty pay and 698 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: you know, why are the these guys not getting pressure? 699 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: How much of that, though, is because you were down 700 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: essentially two corners and you are and CJ. Strout has 701 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: quick release, so as a result, you weren't able to 702 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: get any sort of coverage sacks. How symbiotic are those 703 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: two areas of a defense for that statistic? 704 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think they go hand in hand, 705 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 5: especially within this defense with lou an Arumo that wants 706 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 5: to be aggressive, that wants to dictate things in the 707 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 5: secondary to the opposition. You know, they want to be 708 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 5: afforded the ability to play press man demand and shut 709 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 5: down people on the outside, and that will create more 710 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 5: you know, you know, I say, shadow of a doubt 711 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 5: if you will within the pocket by the quarterback, and 712 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 5: that gives more time for the pass rush to get home. 713 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,959 Speaker 5: And I've said this before, and I don't know if 714 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 5: this makes sense to anybody else, but it makes sense 715 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 5: to me. I think the Colts have the ability to 716 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 5: play press man to man without makaib excuse me, without 717 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 5: Sauce Gardner and no Tarvarius Ward, who by the way, 718 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 5: Ward's not going to be out there for the rest 719 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 5: of the season of the regular season because he's got 720 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 5: he's on IR for a second stint, so he's gonna 721 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 5: miss the last four games of the season. But I 722 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 5: think Jones can do it. I think Blackman can do it. 723 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: It's just it's not. 724 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 5: Whether they can do it, it's it's it's it boils 725 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 5: down to their willingness to do it. With Loui an 726 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 5: Arumo not having those you know, traditional all pro shutdown 727 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 5: corners with Ward and Gardner out there. So that's what 728 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 5: I'm really eager to see how it all plays out 729 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 5: on Sunday. Is you know, if you're gonna sit back 730 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 5: and play strictly Zone with you know, Shaheed and Smith 731 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 5: and Jigba, I got I got bad news. It could 732 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 5: be a long day for that secondary. So maybe they 733 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 5: have more of a willingness to do it in a 734 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 5: game like this to give themselves a chance against one 735 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 5: of the best receiving cores in the NFL. 736 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: Matt lastly, look, and I'm not going to put you 737 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: in the position to make this declaration. 738 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 2: I think, do it. 739 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 3: Just do it. Go ahead. 740 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 5: I don't even care to me into. 741 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 2: A corner Philip Rivers starting Sunday. 742 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 5: I think so, I think, so look at that. 743 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, right, that's just my gut. 744 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 5: I mean, it really is. That's my gut. I mean, 745 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 5: you know, we you can kick this around a million 746 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 5: different ways. So I just think it all boils down 747 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 5: to the fact that the Colts are eight and five 748 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 5: and they they so desperately need to get a win 749 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 5: and again try not to squander that seven and one 750 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 5: starts and you know, believe it or not. And I 751 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 5: thought the Indie Star guys did a really good job 752 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 5: of it. Today I want to champion their hard work 753 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 5: on it because you know, we can sit here and 754 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 5: talk about it in the big picture. Okay, you know 755 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 5: it's December, it's week fifteen, the trade deadline is coming gone, 756 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 5: Like what's your best option? Who you going to bring 757 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 5: in that's better than Philip Rivers? And you know, they 758 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 5: did a really good job of actually like putting some 759 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 5: context around and I think they unnearthed the fact that 760 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 5: you know, since the beginning of the season, there's been 761 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,720 Speaker 5: sixteen quarterbacks that have been brought in around the NFL 762 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 5: for tryouts, and of those sixteen, only six have ever 763 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 5: started a game in the regular season. So I mean, 764 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: like you get you follow what I'm saying, Like the 765 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 5: pickens are pretty slim. And you know, Philip Rivers, I 766 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 5: understand that, you know, he's been out of the game 767 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 5: for so long, he's forty four years old, and he's 768 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 5: a grandfather and all of these things, but he, you know, 769 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 5: basically invented this offense that the Colts are running right 770 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 5: now and knows it like the back of his hand. 771 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 5: And is you know, basically best friends with Shane Steichen 772 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 5: and so you know, you from a mental standpoint and 773 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 5: a football IQ acumen perspective, you give yourself a pretty 774 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 5: good chance to win. It just boils down to whether 775 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 5: or not he can navigate the pocket and not take 776 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 5: hits and not turn the football over. So again, if 777 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 5: if you were two and whatever, then probably Riley Leonard plays. 778 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 5: But you're eight and five trying to make the playoffs, 779 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 5: and you've got to give yourself the best chance to 780 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 5: store lead to win this game. And I think that's 781 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 5: why my gut tells me it's probably going to be 782 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 5: Philip River. 783 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that Philip Rivers is starting if they thought? 784 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: In other words, is this about Riley Leonard injury or 785 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: Riley Leonard simply not being ready necessarily to in this 786 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: sit And no knock on him, he's a young player, right, 787 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying, Right, Is it the injury 788 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: or is it just, hey, we think this guy gives 789 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: us a better chance because he's better suited for the situation. 790 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 5: I think it's just about the experience of Philip Rivers, 791 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 5: and it's about the master of the offense and his 792 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 5: relationship with Shane Stike. And again they're eight and five, 793 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 5: not five and eight. That's what I think is weil 794 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 5: down to yep. 795 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: All right, Matt, appreciate it. Best of luck or not. 796 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: Best of luck, I mean, you know what you're doing. 797 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: Best of enjoyment in Seattle, because I love it. I 798 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: think Seattle's a I know you're in and out there 799 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: on a work trip, but it is a fabulous city. 800 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: But appreciate the time as always, safe travels. 801 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 3: All right, all right, appreciate you guys. 802 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: All right, Matt Taylor joining us on the Java House 803 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: Peel and Por guest