1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: We aim to do all things anyway you want it 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: on this program. At Query and Company, we are a 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: company designed for you. On ninety three to five, one 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: oh seven five to the Fan, we had scheduled to 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: have Rob Blackman, the voice of the Purdue boiler Makers, 6 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the one o'clock hour, but understanding. 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: And I am really grateful because Purdue playing today, so 8 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: I can only imagine what Rob's schedule looks like. And 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: he just sent a thing said, hey, can I hop 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: on now? And I said, absolutely, let's do it. So 11 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: joining us now on the Java House Coldbrew Coffee guest 12 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: line Rob Blackman in just a second now, Eddie just 13 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: said that we're connecting with Rob. So the Boilers and 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: Actions tonight taking on Northwestern. That game can be seen 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: on the BT and it can be heard on the 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Purdue Basketball Radio Network. And yes, I think there was 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: the thought, the expectation that it would be Indiana and 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Purdue for a third installment. I was excited about that. 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Looked like it was going to be that way in 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: certainly the better part of the first half of that game. 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: And then Northwestern ends up getting that win. So now 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: Purdue has to pivot towards getting ready for the Wildcats. Rob, 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: I'll begin with this. I don't know if you talked 24 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: to Matt Painter about this. And certainly Northwestern's playing really 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: good basketball. You can't look at their record. Chris Collins 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: has that team playing well. But how do you think 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Purdue does kind of handle the mindset of not knowing 28 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: on a twenty four hour notice, who the opponent is 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: going to be. Do they come up with two different 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: game plans or is it more so just we're going 31 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: to play our game and take our chances because we 32 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: know both opponents. 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can tell you this, Jake, just from 34 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: being at practice. Yet in the last two days it 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: really was more about Purdue worrying about Purdue. 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: Now. 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: They did take it a couple minutes each day to 38 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: talk about, Okay, if we're playing Indiana defensively, this is 39 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: what we'll be looking at the same with Northwestern, but 40 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: those are maybe five minute segments maybe total, or between 41 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: the two. It was really more about Purdue being at 42 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: the at its best regardless of who the opponent is. 43 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's always the trick right in this when 44 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: you get to this tournament, is you don't know until 45 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: twenty four hours, really less than twenty four hours. Who 46 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: you're going to play? So and by the way, Jake, 47 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: thank you for rearranging the schedule to fit me in 48 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: here this afternoon. Our practice schedule got messed up, so 49 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 2: thank you for doing it. 50 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: No, listen, Rob, I totally get it. You know that 51 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: practice and thanks for coming on that practice. You're talking 52 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: about the reality is this? You know, I think that 53 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: we thought and the big tens loaded, Rob, we know that. 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: But if you had to pinpoint or pick what is 55 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: the area? What is it that has gone? And it 56 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: sounds weird to say awry because Purdue is still going 57 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: to be probably a top four seed in the NCAA tournament. 58 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: But what has denied them the chance to be that 59 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: one seed? What is it that is off? 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: Easy answer, Jake, defense and poor defense. Maybe that's a 61 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: two word answer, poor defense. Just looking at numbers and 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to this is not my original thought. Coach 63 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: Painter actually shared this with a team going into the 64 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: Northwestern game last week. Going into that game, Purdue was 65 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: one in three in their last four games, and over 66 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: that four game stretch, adjusted offensive efficiency by the numbers, 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: Purdue was number one in the country. Now, thinking about that, 68 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: you are number one in the country offensive adjusted deficiency 69 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: and you're one in three over that same stretch. Why 70 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: because your defense had been so poor. I was looking 71 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: at some numbers earlier today that our sid Chris Forman 72 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: had provided for me. Purdue in the home games this 73 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: year where they lost four games to top fifteen teams 74 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: adjusted defensive efficiency ninety six. 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: That's just. 76 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: And adjusted offensive efficiency and those four losses at home 77 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: to those top fifteen teams number two. So that makes 78 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: it pretty easy. Just looking at the hard numbers, Purdue 79 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: is certainly good enough offensively unless something just goes crazy 80 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: here down the stretch. This is going to be the 81 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: highest scoring team that Matt Painter has ever had and 82 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: his twenty one years that no team has scored more 83 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: than this team. This team is about to literally break 84 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: a record in the NCAAA assist to turnover for ratio. 85 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: They're not just going to break it, they're going to 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: obliterate it. It's like something like two point one six 87 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: or something assist to turnovers. No one in the NCAAA 88 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: history has ever had those kind of numbers. Uh, Purdue 89 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: leads the Big Ten in three point shooting percentage. If 90 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: you just look at the conference numbers. The point I'm 91 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: getting at here, offense has not been a problem. As 92 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, the offense, if you just look 93 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: at those numbers, would lead you to believe produce a 94 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 2: front runner to be a national champion. The problem is 95 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: on the rint for who has been so poor defensively. 96 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: But for the most part, rob the personnel is the 97 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: same as in years past where defense was not nearly 98 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: this deficient. So what is you know, It's not like 99 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you've got a bunch of guys 100 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: that are different than a year ago. This is the 101 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: same group. I mean, Oscar Cluff obviously newer CJ. Cox 102 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: getting a little bit more minutes, but the perimeter defense itself. 103 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: What has changed that has caused this drop this year? 104 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: Well, I would say this, and let's just talk about 105 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 2: the three seniors that have been here four years and 106 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: Trey five. When this coaching staff began recruiting for the 107 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: group that was going to surround Zach Edy, because they 108 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 2: knew they had a very special player in Zach Edy, 109 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: they thought it very important to recruit offensive minded, offensive 110 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: skilled players because they felt like in the long run 111 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: that is the best for this particular group, again surrounding 112 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: Zach Edy. And obviously it worked because Zach Edy is 113 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: a senior. Obviously you go all the way to the 114 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: National Championship game. What has now happened, unfortunately on the 115 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 2: back end, is once Zach Edy walks out that door, 116 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: you're now stuck with a bunch of guys who are 117 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: offensive minded players. Again, not all bad in that scheme 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: with the National Player of the Year on your roster 119 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: at seven point four, but it does catch up to 120 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: you on the back end, and that is what has 121 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: happened here. 122 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: Did it start to show itself a year ago. 123 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely with that question, And to be fair to Purdue, 124 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 2: they thought they were going to clean it up with 125 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: getting a healthy Daniel Jacobson and getting Oscar cluff hiss 126 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: rim protection. What none of us probably took into account, 127 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: or certainly probably should have, is that keeping the ball 128 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: out of the paint on the on the off the 129 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: dribble was a much bigger concern than probably all of 130 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: us thought looking at it. It's always easy right to 131 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: look at it after the fact, but a Purdue can't 132 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: keep the ball out of the paint. I don't know 133 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 2: what to tell you, especially as we get into postseason play. 134 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: If if they can get that figured out, and I 135 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: still think they can, then who knows, maybe something special 136 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: can happen here. 137 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Rob Blackman my guest. He's the voice of the Boilers, 138 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: Purdue and Action. Tonight they will be taking on Northwestern. 139 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: It is a and Rob, I always have to look 140 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: at this. Is it a definitive six thirty? They're not 141 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: following a game before, right, because this is the first 142 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: game of the evening session, so the tip time is 143 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: pretty much set on right. 144 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: You got six thirty six. Eastern were the first game 145 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: of the night session, so this game will tip on time. 146 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: Six thirty six. Could you be more specific? By chance? 147 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: You can radio? Right, you need to know the executive. 148 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Okay, So. 149 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: Rob, the other question for you, because you're around this 150 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: as much as anybody. You're the practices, you're on the buses, 151 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: all of it. And it is crazy to say that 152 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: a team that has had the year that Purdue has had, 153 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: because they've been very, very good and ranked all year long, 154 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: but against the standard of what we anticipated, it probably 155 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: is not where it was totally expected. With adversity sometimes 156 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: can come friction. Have you seen it amongst the teammates 157 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: with this group? 158 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: I have not, and you're not the first to ask 159 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: me that question. I would actually say this group is 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: as close as it's ever been. And I mean, just 161 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: for instance, riding the bus yesterday from Purdue up here 162 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: to Chicago. It's cutting up, it's joking around, it's having 163 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: fun with one another. This is a group that does 164 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: genuinely like each other. I know from a distance, maybe 165 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't. 166 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 3: Look that way. I'm telling you. 167 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: That's the least of produced concerns right now. Is continuity 168 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 2: amongst the players. That is, it's something I haven't seen 169 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: all year. And again you're not the first to ask 170 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: me about it, but no, I have not seen that. 171 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: Lastly, I wanted to ask you this. I've always been 172 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: curious of this. It used to be rob I don't 173 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: know if it's still the case. It used to be 174 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: in the Big Ten that travel if it was within 175 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: a certain number of miles of the university, you took 176 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: bus and that was mandated, and then you flew elsewhere 177 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: for Purdue, just strictly out of curiosity. How many of 178 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: the Big Ten teams now, do you, guys bus to 179 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: versus fly. 180 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: Okay, so two part answer. You're number one. That's not 181 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: a hard and faster rule anymore. That's just kind of 182 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: that your own quite frankly budgeting. 183 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 4: Wasn't it at one time? Or am I off base there? No? 184 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: I think you're right, And for the NCAA tournament that 185 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: remains as a rule. I think three hundred and fifty 186 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: miles or less you have to bus, I think is 187 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: the rule in the NCAA tournament. But so do your answer. 188 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: Purdue buses to Bloomington, obviously, Evanston, Champagne, and those are 189 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: the three. Everywhere else is a flight for men's basketball. Now, 190 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: obviously the Olympic sports you you might be busting out 191 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: the Penn State, which I've done with Purdue baseball before, 192 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: but for bat men's basketball, those are the places that 193 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 2: Purdue busses to. 194 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm surprised Ohio State's not a bus trip. I mean 195 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: that would be what three and a half maybe four? 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, in the flights like twenty eight to twenty nine minutes. Well, 197 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: even East Lansing is in Madison or less than forty minutes. 198 00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 4: You know. 199 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, all of those flights take off at six 200 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: thirty six, specifically right on time, right every time. 201 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: Well, the beauty of flying out of the pretty airport. 202 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: Since there's really no commercial air traffic, you're always first 203 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: for take off. 204 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 205 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: Well, Rob, you'll be taking off tonight six thirty six. 206 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: It is the Boilers and Northwestern in the Big Ten Tournament. 207 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Things opening up, and then of course the winner would 208 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: go on to take on Nebraska tomorrow. Appreciate the time, 209 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: Rob very much. 210 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Jake, thanks again for rearranging the schedule, No. 211 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: Problem, Rob Blackman joining us Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line. 212 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: We go back now to the Java House Colbrew Coffee 213 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: guest line moved up and the ping pong balls bounced 214 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: a little bit here in order to get from the 215 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Star, our friend Zach who joins us talking about 216 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: Indiana basketball and actually, you know what, Zach, I'm going 217 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: to do a buy one, get one with you here. 218 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: Let's go to the football side of things first, real quick. 219 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: We know that Mendoza is going to be likely the 220 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: number one picking the draft to the Raiders, and Omar 221 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: Cooper Junior seems to have had a really good combine 222 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: and postseason workout you know routine here, but what about 223 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: sarat Where are you hearing that he could go and 224 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: could he be a steady on field NFL reliant player 225 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: like he was at the college level. 226 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's been a while since I checked in. 227 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 5: The vibe I kind of got was like day two, 228 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 5: maybe early day three with with with Sarrat, I think, 229 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 5: I mean, listen, it's you know, he is never going 230 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 5: to have the explosiveness that I think is a big 231 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 5: part of sort of what's pushing Omar Cooper's profile up. 232 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 5: But I think you also see I think you know 233 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 5: to your point, he is a receiver that can operate 234 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 5: in a lot of different areas. 235 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: I think it's a bit of a tone setting receiver. 236 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: I know this is a little bit kind of unquantifiable, 237 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 5: but like when people ask me for kind of the 238 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 5: moment when I felt like maybe things are different with 239 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 5: Kurt Signetti, one of the ones I pointed to his 240 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 5: play he had in the UCLA win last year where 241 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 5: a safety squared him up along the sideline while he's 242 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 5: catching the ball, and not only did he turn in 243 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 5: time to meet the contact. 244 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: But he shouldered to the safety of the ground. 245 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 5: And they stood over him then basically said something to him, 246 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 5: and I just kind of thought, man, this like this dude, 247 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 5: and by extension, this team have just a little bit 248 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 5: of a different attitude about them. You hear people talk 249 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 5: about his leadership qualities and then really more than anything else. 250 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 5: And I know this is simplistic, but he catches the 251 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 5: football like if it's thrown to him, he catches it. 252 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 5: And that feels a little bit like pitchers who find 253 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 5: the strike zone. Like we can sit here and we 254 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 5: can rave over velocity and arm angle and you know, 255 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 5: our pms and break. 256 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, guys. 257 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 5: Who throw a strike to stay in the league, and 258 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 5: guys who catch football stay. 259 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: In the league. 260 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 5: And we can worry about measurables. We can worry about speed, 261 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 5: we can worry about you know, hand size or whatever. 262 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 5: I do think Elijah Surratt is going to make somebody. 263 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 5: You know, what's the what's the shelf life for receivers 264 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 5: in the NFL these days? I'm not sure, but I 265 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 5: do think I just are asking to make somebody happy. 266 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: Okay, what the people that were not happy would be 267 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: Indiana fans based on last night against Northwestern. Let's begin, 268 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: and I'm going to go kind of futuristic and then 269 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: move backwards. I don't know, Zach, so my apologies for 270 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: my ignorance here. A lot of this will not obviously 271 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: be determined until selection Sunday, and seemingly nobody wants to 272 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: get in and have to go to Dayton because teams 273 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: are just losing all over the place. But as Indiana 274 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: said either way, whether or not they would accept a 275 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: bid other than the NCAA Tournament in the postseason. 276 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: Darren dere has actually got that question last night. He 277 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: deflected it. 278 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 5: He basically just said that's something we'd have to talk 279 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 5: about with our administration and with our locker room and 280 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 5: all that. I think it's fair to say teams like 281 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 5: Indiana don't go to the n I T anymore, and 282 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 5: and that, you know, we can have a philosophical debate 283 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 5: as to the merits of that. But as long as 284 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: the portal window is going to operate in another moved 285 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 5: it back a little bit. But as long as the 286 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 5: portal window is going to realistically operate in you know, 287 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 5: the the late March early April kind of period, any 288 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 5: team that doesn't make the NCAA Tournament, just at Indiana's 289 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 5: level of nil spend and redshare spend, and frankly expectation 290 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 5: is going to want to spend that time rebuilding and 291 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 5: retooling its roster. 292 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,239 Speaker 3: There's just not an interest. 293 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 5: In the n I T and Indiana is not alone 294 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 5: in that. I mean, you know, I think it was 295 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 5: a couple of years ago Bill miss popped it out 296 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 5: of the n I T. There were other teams that 297 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 5: I don't remember, and I want to. I don't want 298 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 5: to start spitting out names and get some and get 299 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 5: somebody wrong. But that tournament has unfortunately just kind of 300 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: faded very much to the background. For the high major team. 301 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 5: The Crown is a different question. The Crown has nil components. 302 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 5: It's also a Fox backed event. It's all played over 303 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 5: a really confined space of time. I think this year 304 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 5: is April one to April five out in Las Vegas. 305 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: It's only eight teams. 306 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 5: It's pretty quick. Nebrasta won it last year. I think 307 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 5: there would be at least more of a discussion around 308 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 5: the Crown. I think the question for Indiana would be 309 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 5: really as much as anything, what you what your locker 310 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 5: rooms buy in would be, because you know you've got 311 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 5: six guys going. 312 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: Out the door. 313 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 5: Obviously, as his seniors, you're going to have guys who 314 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 5: may have, you know, their own intentions, whether it's the portal, 315 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 5: whether it's maybe they've been playing with an injury and 316 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 5: they want to shut down to get something. You know, 317 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 5: this time of year, a lot of guys are playing 318 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 5: through something that will probably need at least a minor 319 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: surgery to correct in the offseason. Do they want to 320 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 5: delay that another month to play in the Crown if 321 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 5: they don't make the NCAA tournament that kind of thing. 322 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 5: That would be more of a debate though, And I 323 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 5: said this on Twitter last night. If you pushed me 324 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 5: for it, I would say I'd be surprised if we 325 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 5: see Indiana in the Crown, but I could see it. 326 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,479 Speaker 5: I certainly don't think Indiana. 327 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: Is going to play an n I. 328 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: By the way, Eddie, do you happen to have the 329 00:15:53,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: breaking news sounder. It is now confer that it will 330 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: be fifty consecutive seasons that Indiana will be the last 331 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: unbeaten in college basketball because the RedHawks of Miami have 332 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: suffered their first loss of the year. Indiana was thirty 333 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: two to zero in nineteen seventy six. Miami is now 334 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: thirty one and one, Zach. That is interesting because and 335 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: I personally believe Miami should absolutely be in after an 336 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: unblemish regular season, but they lose the first game in 337 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: the MAAC Tournament. Does this help Indiana, Zach, in your 338 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: opinion or is it a moot point Indiana's not getting in. 339 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 5: I don't think it's a moot point that Indiana's not 340 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 5: getting in, although I think the chances were pretty small, 341 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 5: you know, frankly, just at the beginning of the day 342 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 5: in general, to your point at the top, like the 343 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 5: issue is less when Indiana's done and more of what 344 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 5: everyone else has done. 345 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: The bubble is just carnage. 346 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 5: I mean, we always say the bubble is bad, but 347 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 5: like this year is particularly unimpressive, And so I wouldn't 348 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: close the door on Indiana, you know, like a five 349 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 5: percent chance, a ten percent chance, something like that out 350 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 5: of slipping in the back door and going to Dayton. 351 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: My personal opinion, and it is anybody who tells. 352 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 5: You they know what the committee is going to do 353 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 5: with Miami of Ohio is line because there really hasn't 354 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 5: been a case like this in living memory of a 355 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 5: team that is essentially so disparate in its sort of 356 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 5: resume metrics versus its predictive metrics in the question of 357 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 5: how we wait things like strength of record and strength 358 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 5: of schedule. Again, and even win the bubble, I think 359 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 5: Miami's WELB numbers is still pretty good. Memory serves again, 360 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 5: you know, just to shear fact that they didn't play anybody, 361 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 5: but then also acknowledging frankly that thirty one and oh 362 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 5: is thirty one and oh and I'm with you, like 363 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 5: I did the mock selection exercise last month over at 364 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 5: NCAA headquarters and we were all pretty much in agreement 365 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 5: that thirty one, that Miami needed to get to thirty one. 366 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 5: And oh, but that if Miami completed an undefeated regular season, 367 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 5: that should count for something, even if it doesn't necessarily 368 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 5: show up on the team sheets. 369 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: And if that is the case, And again. 370 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 5: I don't know what the Committee's gonna do with Miami, 371 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 5: because you can make a compelling argument for and a 372 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 5: compelling argument against Miami's inclusion, and we can get dragged 373 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 5: down into all kinds of side quests about, you know, 374 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 5: the climate from mid majors and scheduling and. 375 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 3: All these different things. 376 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 5: If the committee if we just play this hypothetically for 377 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 5: a minute, if the committee sees Miami and in the 378 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 5: field because of the weight of what they accomplished in 379 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 5: the regular season, then know this is not good for 380 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 5: Indiana because this is there aren't a ton of bid 381 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 5: dealers this year. 382 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: This creates one. 383 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 5: If Miami is going to get in at large, the 384 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 5: MAC was not getting too bid before. If Miami is 385 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 5: going to get in at large having lost today to UMass, 386 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 5: that means somebody else from the macts a bid as well, 387 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 5: and that means somebody at the back end of the 388 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 5: bubble gets pumped off. So it would not be good 389 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 5: for Indiana if Miami stays in the field with this loss. 390 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: Is criticism of Darren Devrees, especially if Indiana does not 391 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: get into the NCAA tournament fair. 392 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 5: I think I think any criticism, let me think the 393 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 5: best way to phrases. I think there is a level 394 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 5: of criticism that will always be fair at a place 395 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 5: like Indiana, not just the expectations, and certainly not the history, 396 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 5: because I think Indiana's got a park the history, and 397 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 5: I'm somebody who's written a lot about the history and 398 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 5: at at different times decided the history and whatever. Indiana's 399 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 5: got to put that away right now, like at the 400 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 5: end of the day, to let's let's live in a 401 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 5: world where Indiana does not make the tournament this year, 402 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 5: it'll be two tournaments. In ten years, It'll be four 403 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 5: winning records in Big ten play. In eighteen years, Northwestern 404 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,479 Speaker 5: has won seven in a row against Indiana. Northwestern has 405 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 5: won twenty one games against Indiana's in two thousand and three. 406 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 5: So like, there needs to be a clear eyed understanding 407 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 5: of what history is. 408 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: And is not doing for Indiana. 409 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 5: Right now, but purely on resources, roster, investments, and expectations, 410 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 5: and frankly, just you know, one of the conversations that 411 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: the sort of run concurrence of the weakness of this 412 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 5: bubble is the fact that it's arguably never been easier 413 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 5: for a high major team to make DNC DOAA tournament 414 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 5: in it is right now. Some criticism if Indiana does 415 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 5: not make it is warranted. Frankly, if Indiana does make it, 416 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 5: if Indiana goes to date, and some criticism. 417 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: Is still warrant. 418 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 5: The question as ever, and I'm one of those people 419 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 5: that winds up kind of talking out of both sides 420 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 5: of their mouth, and these conversations. 421 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: I understand that, but as ever, the question. 422 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 5: Is really much more how much criticism, what criticism to 423 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 5: what extents, because there does come a point And I 424 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 5: know fans don't like to hear this, because I to. 425 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 5: I say it to them, and I hear their reply. 426 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 5: I hear their response, but I say it every time 427 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 5: we get to a point like this in the calendar, 428 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 5: in the sort of the mood or the temperature of 429 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 5: the fan base, there comes a point where the criticism 430 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 5: escalates into something that is unreasonable and then uncontrollable and 431 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 5: then damaging. And I know people don't want to hear that, 432 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 5: and understand that they don't want to hear that, But 433 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 5: like I've been around it, and you've been around longer 434 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 5: than I have. But I've been around this program now 435 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 5: for twenty one years. I've seen six different head coaches. 436 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 5: I've seen I think four different athletic directors. I've seen 437 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: the conference change, I've seen the sport change. I've seen 438 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 5: quite literally the rules change to such an extent that 439 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 5: we now pay athletes. And the one constant has been 440 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 5: that things, when things get toxic, they get too toxic 441 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 5: too quickly, and that becomes self defeating cycle. And so 442 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 5: I think the question is what is your criticism and essentially. 443 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: How serious is not the right word, how reasonable it is. 444 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 5: Because there are criticisms. I think of Darren de Marie's 445 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 5: fair ones, the way he constructed this roster, some of 446 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 5: the decisions they were main around personnel, and ultimately the 447 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 5: way that this team just absolutely, undeniably fated in the 448 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 5: last month of the season. 449 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't understand Zach the whole YEA, even if 450 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: you thought this, I don't think that it's prudent to 451 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: say it. But going on with Don Fisher in the 452 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: post game, as one of the members of the coaching 453 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: staff did, to basically say that the rigors of the 454 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: season wore out a roster that kind of that wasn't 455 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: prepared for that. I'm paraphrasing here, but I don't know 456 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: that I would go there and say that. I think 457 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: that's that's an excuse personally. But let me ask you this, 458 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: what if you had to pick what six week period 459 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: this year was Indiana playing their best basketball. 460 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 5: That's a good question I would say to your comment 461 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 5: first before d Daren Debris said something very similar in 462 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: his postcame So I wouldn't. I think it was Rod 463 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 5: Clark that did Don Fisher show it. Jaron de Rees 464 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: said something very similar in his post game and that 465 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 5: was I think really more him trying to sort of 466 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 5: maya culpa and say we needed more size, we needed 467 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 5: more depth, like we were not physically hardy enough, not 468 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 5: necessarily by individual, but as a team for the grind 469 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 5: that was going to wear down the whole roster and 470 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 5: victim playing. I think what he was trying to say 471 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 5: was that's on me. That is a lesson that I 472 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 5: have learned and that I'm going to take back into, 473 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 5: you know, constructing this next roster. So I don't think it, 474 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: you know, I didn't. I obviously didn't. 475 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 3: Hear Rod Clark's comments to Don because I was hustling 476 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: for post game, but I suspect that was a similar sentiment. 477 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 5: I think it was more of a sort of listen, 478 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 5: this is a lesson that we had to learn, and 479 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 5: we promised we learned it. 480 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: Well. 481 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 5: So your question about the best stretch, I think it 482 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 5: was probably that stretch. I mean, they won five of six, 483 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 5: and really you can make an argument that that the 484 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 5: UCLA game could have gone either way, but also that 485 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 5: the usc game kind of could have go on either 486 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 5: way with the way that it played out in the 487 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 5: last two. 488 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: Or three minutes. 489 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 5: That felt like the moment when you know, you were 490 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 5: bringing Nick Doran into the offense, you were adding kind 491 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 5: of a wing scorer that could operate off the ball 492 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 5: and could you know, could really be dangerous due to 493 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 5: opposing game plans. That felt like probably the moment when 494 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 5: Indiana was playing the best and then they just ran 495 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 5: into They ran into that Illinois Purdue turnaround that at 496 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 5: the time felt kind of like house money. Nobody expected 497 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: them to win either game. You know, both were kind 498 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 5: of bad matchups or where they were and you know 499 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 5: who they were playing and win. But it does feel 500 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 5: like something just kind of started to get on top 501 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 5: of Indiana after those two games that they never really 502 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 5: got out from under. 503 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: How different does the roster look next year? They've made 504 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: no bones about the fact have Darren Debriz for that matter, 505 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: Ryan Carr, that they know they need more size, they 506 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: know they need rebounding and then there are perhaps other 507 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: players like a year ago, that will in fact look elsewhere. 508 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: Is this a complete restrip of the roster? 509 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 5: But I won't be complete because they have three freshmen 510 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 5: coming in, and I know that doesn't sound like a lot, 511 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 5: but like we only have one last year, so I mean, 512 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 5: you're already at a better starting point than you were. 513 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: A year ago. 514 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 5: I would be surprised if every player with eligibility on 515 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 5: this roster leave. I'm sure some will. I can't sit 516 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 5: here and tell you I have firm predictions as to 517 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 5: who that is or isn't, But I would be surprised 518 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 5: if this is just an you know, a just complete 519 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 5: and total reset the way it was, or even anything 520 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 5: approximating the way it was a year ago. I think anything, 521 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 5: if you're Indiana, you might even just want to encourage 522 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 5: the handful of guys to stay so that you don't 523 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 5: have to just completely reteach another roster the whole thing. 524 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 5: I thought there were times this. 525 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: Season which players do not have eligibility. Which players are 526 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: we definitively we know they're gone. 527 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 5: Tucker Debris, Samuel Xis Reed, Bailey, Lamar Wilkerson, Connor enright, 528 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: and there was there was some question about Tayton Connorway 529 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 5: like that was one of those he'd probably have to 530 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 5: like sue, I think to like it. 531 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: It was. That was not a. 532 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 5: Straightforward sort of, Oh, he has a medical year if 533 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 5: he wanted that was a he played JUCO for these 534 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 5: years and Division four year for these years, and maybe 535 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 5: the Pavia case would affect him. And I mean we 536 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 5: asked him about it in the preseason and he was 537 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 5: kind of like, I haven't really. 538 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: Thought about that. 539 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 5: So I don't think, like, as things stand, I would 540 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 5: probably count Connorway in that group simply because that was 541 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 5: not like a straightforward if he wants it, he can 542 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 5: just snap his fingers and have that extra year. Those 543 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: are the six that are just like they. 544 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: Cannot return at all. 545 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 5: There's obviously nobody that's you know, I think it's fair 546 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 5: to say has eligibility left. It could seriously consider the 547 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 5: draft and then the question if you know, listen, this 548 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 5: is a This is more of a two way street 549 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 5: than it's ever been, right, Like, there's there's questions about 550 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 5: do players want to enter the portal. There will also 551 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: be questions about does Indiana want to bring some of 552 00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 5: these players back on the same amount that they paid 553 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 5: them this year. And you might say, to some guys, 554 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 5: we'd love to have you back, the number might not 555 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 5: be the same, or maybe you know, the roster's gonna inflate. 556 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 3: Everything is going to go up a little bit this year. 557 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 5: The number may not be better relative to the way inflation goes, 558 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 5: you know, from from last season to next season, but. 559 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: You do want some institutional knowledge. 560 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 5: You don't want to have to repeach an entire roster 561 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 5: over again, because I. 562 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 3: Do think it kind of was. 563 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 5: It went under the radar, and I think it was 564 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 5: something that, in fairness to Darren Debries, he never really 565 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 5: brought up because I think he probably knew it would 566 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 5: sound like an excuse. But I do think there were 567 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 5: times this season when you could see a team that 568 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 5: had not played a lot together and had not played 569 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 5: much under their head coach struggling with some of the 570 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 5: instinctive parts of his system and his structure that other 571 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 5: than Tucker Debris and to a great extent, Connor enrech 572 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 5: see at so much time with it at Drake, some 573 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 5: guys just didn't get used to fast enough to be 574 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 5: the effective as maybe they would have hoped. 575 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 4: Zach Essterman is with the Indianapolis Star. 576 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: He is on the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest 577 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: line coverage of the Hoosiers, not just the basketball standpoint 578 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: of it, but of course the football with the draft 579 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: upcoming as well. 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